CAS273 - Get on the Ark with Darren Conrad - Church and State

Spokane Valley could become a sanctuary city of a different kind. Councilman Caleb Collier says that this proposal. I'm proposing that the city of Spokane Valley issue a proclamation stating that our city is a Second Amendment sanctuary. Welcome to the fire. Welcome to the fire. Hello, Christian Patriots, and welcome to actually the newly modified Caleb Collier Show. It just hurts my soul to even call it the Caleb Collier Show. I am Gabe Blomgren. I'm a pastor and a really good friend of Caleb's. I helped co-host this show for many years. So many episodes that we have done together. Great friend of mine. I am going to be your host today because Caleb... has the man flu. And I want you to check out this image. It is where Caleb currently is. We sent in photographers to take a picture of his present state. He's running out of tissue is what I'm hearing. This is his favorite, you know, whoopee of sorts. So I do have to say this out of probably the last two years, he has never called me for a sick day. So for him to do this, he texted me last night. He said, he is so sick. Can you cover? And I'm actually honored. It's a joy. So this Thursday, we're going to bring to you a modified version of the Caleb Collier Show. I am Pastor Gabe Blomgren. So now it is the Gabe Blomgren Jesus is King Show. It's all about Jesus. We're going to talk about, you know, the things of God. We're going to talk about, you know, church, going to church. We're going to talk about the Holy Spirit. We have a guest who I'm really super excited to introduce you guys. He has a podcast called Get in the Arc. And Mr. Conrad, I'm going to bring on in a minute. Before I do, I want to encourage you guys to go to our website, churchandstate.media. Please check it out. I'm jumping ahead talking about that. But BRTV is who's brought us on right now. NRB TV is who's brought us on right now. That's who you're watching us through. We're going to have about 28 minutes of a show with our guests, and then we're going to encourage you, please go watch the finalized minutes of the show. Then we also talk about some of our products. Let's look at some of the guests Caleb's had. Let's see. I want to scroll down because he's been bringing in some really great guys. I can't see my eyes. I am a grandpa, so seeing that far, I'm not able to see who's there. who's on there you need your spectacles yeah he's still a part of the reawaken america tour clay clark is a good friend of mine and uh i'm i'm so appreciative of caleb being uh still at the forefront and talking about some really difficult stuff those of you i want to circle to where the heck has maga gone uh it's very interesting time to be alive we have stuff going on in the You know, the Epstein files who Caleb and I were like so excited they were going to get opened. We have document and document just that is just absolutely incriminating, disgusting, whether it's been redacted or not. We still haven't got a single arrest. But here's here's my point. Even with gas, diesel being at crazy, phenomenal highs, housing costs being insane, inflation growing. Jesus is still king. And wherever we go, wherever we as Christians lay our feet, wherever we lay our head, We have the upper hand. God has given us dominion. We are the head, not the tail. And I really want to encourage you guys, stand right now in your faith higher than you've ever had. Attend church. If there's anything I've learned, Chris, after not being a part of a political podcast, I know it's a Christian political podcast. I'm just going to be real. I have no hope for any type of political fix. Zero. I have lost all respect for the political process. I barely want to vote. I am hanging on to this document, which Caleb is a huge fan of, the Constitution of the United States. This thing is the last piece of paper I just visited Europe that is protecting our tale. Because we have the right to bear arms. We have the right to public assembly. We also have the right to have freedom of religion. And that's the most important one because I believe that's the game changer. So with that, I'm excited. There's an individual who I just met before we started the show. And, uh, Oh, what is that? Chris, I'm going to ask you to go on live. Cause I cannot see that. That is too far. Is that if they want to donate? Is that a donate page? I think we want to ask, uh, ask folks to please donate to the show. Yes. Yeah. At that far, I need glasses. We want to encourage you. Hey, give up, give up, uh, anything that you feel called to by the Lord to donate to this show. We do have products we're going to advertise in the second half, but, uh, NRB TV, um, Obviously, they're presenting our show, but we want to encourage you, please donate. Give, you know, give as the Lord has given unto you. There's a really good verse. Freely you receive, now freely give. If you've been healed, if you've been blessed by this show, please consider giving a small amount or a large amount, however, you know, Chris or Caleb needed. So with that, I want to introduce our guest, Darren. Hello, brother. How you doing? Doing great. Great to be here. Good to have you. I, uh, I'm super excited to tell people about your show. I'm going to give the title of it. It's called get in the arc, correct? Get on the arc. Okay. Get on the arc. Okay. Which is cool because I, I visited, I don't know if you've ever been there, but in the very, you know, pretty much middle of the country, they have built a full size replica of the arc, uh, That Noah had built and it gives you an insane amount of reference to the labor that it took to build this. Have you ever visited it? Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, so it's surreal. Like there's a part where you walk in and there's thunder making noise. There's ring like sounds as you come in. It's kind of ominous. I bring all my family, my kids, my grandkids, and we come into the ark. And I felt this moment of security and peace being in the ark. And I can only imagine what Noah was feeling. But your podcast is out of a supernatural dream that God gave you, telling you, Darren, to get on the ark. Explain to us what that is, what that means. And then tell us about your testimony. Cause it's, it's surreal how like, uh, God has gripped you in this stage in your life. Yeah, it was, it was, uh, October 9th of, uh, 2023, where he, I was, I was in a dream and then he audibly woke me up. And so then audible voice said, get on the arc. And I'm like, Lord, I'm on the arc. What do you mean? And through a series of events, um, Like the next day, a friend of mine sent me a four series episode on the days of Noah. You know, they had no idea. I just had this voice. And, you know, several, you know, things happened. And I'm like, all right, Lord, I guess you want me to share testimonies. And so that's what inspired and started the podcast, Get on the Arc. And initially, it's funny. I made a list of who I felt would be good to share their testimonies. But then God gave me a completely different list. And I had people reaching out. to be on my show, and I didn't even have any viewers at the time, so I was kind of amazed at how God just flooded me with guests. And the premise of the show is, you know, Jesus is our ark. As in the days of Noah, so is the second coming of man. Jesus is our ark today. And so I want to introduce people to Jesus. That's awesome. And you got introduced to Jesus. And like, it's not typical. A lot of times we hear about, you know, people becoming what we call born again Christians earlier in life. And it sounds like in 2020, which is not that far back, God is, am I correct? God did a supernatural thing in you. Yeah. So, you know, I spent my life resisting God. You know, resisting Jesus, resisting politics, resisting the church, religion. I was anti all those things. I wanted to just live in a bubble. And in 2008, nothing bad happened. But I was a daily drinker. I partied. I was a rock star. You know, it was like every night was like a Friday night. One morning I woke up and I was just done. And I said, God help me. And that was on November 22nd of 2008. And I got delivered from drugs and alcohol. I haven't had to drive. It'll be 18 years in November. And along that journey, God kind of put a 12-step fellowship group in front of me. And I joined it and started practicing these principles. Each step is a principle. And I started implementing them in my life. My life got better and my life changed. The biggest lie that I had been told is that drinking was fun. And it's such a lie because my life is so much more fun and more joyful and peaceful without alcohol and drugs. But the same year I got sober, the Beaches United Methodist Church changed its name to 1122. And so I was curious. well, that's my sobriety date, and this church changed its name. And when you get sober, they say don't forget the date that you get sober, right? So it's not a revolving number. It's a mark. And being a mark, Mark 1122 is when Jesus said, have faith in God. Now, at that time, I was just I had faith in God, but I just wanted to be an all-loving, divine God. I didn't want to talk about Jesus. It's funny. I love God so funny because I used to make fun of people that didn't drink, and I used to make fun of people that talked about Jesus. Now I live a sober life, which I am so blessed to have, and I talk about Jesus every day, any chance I get. But that was him doing that. It wasn't me, but I'm so grateful that he did it. And I was 50 years old at the time. And then he took me on this journey, just incredible journey. Like every day is supernatural when he leads it. And I've had some encounters and it's like he is precise and on time and everything. And I can see him in everything. And he did that to me. And I'm so grateful. 50 years old, God grips your life. He takes you. He uses what the Bible says was meant to kill you. to awaken you. Sobriety opens up a new window. I say that all the time, that life done sober is the most climactic. You feel everything. Like sobriety gives you this edge. It's a. The only way I can define it is like high definition. I remember when high definition movies came out, HD this, HD that, like things were so masked, so muted, so blah in this place of addiction. For me personally, I have struggled, but not like ever to where it was like something, you know, that my parents had struggled. My parents actually were in deep addiction. Both my parents, I believe that that, It came to my doorstep, but I quickly realized, just like you're saying, it is a complete lie. Like, because the next morning you feel horrible. Agreed? Like, it's just, you realize that, gosh, like, the devil has made doing the things of God look like you're, you know, Miss Judy Christian, like, Sister Perfect and Mr. Perfect. And really, it's God just trying to put on a silver platter. There is a best life for you. There's a better life for you. And it sounds like God's already answered it. I heard over the break that you have a lovely wife. You two have been married and she's a part of your life. God brought her. God just keeps bringing blessing to you. Tell me about that. He just gives you a wife. It doesn't work like that, but. Well, you know, I was always, you know, originally when I got sober, I was like, okay, God took care of. The alcohol and drugs, but I got the, I'll find a woman. I don't need your help, Lord. You know, I got this. And every time I did it on my own, it failed. It crashed and burned. You know, I'd been married before, but not a godly marriage. And so when I went, you know, when I gave my life to Jesus, and now I'm just like, I'm all in. I'm all in. You have it all. And Uh, in 2022, um, I, I was on fire. Like I, uh, I wanted to know more. And so I, you know, got into the Bible and I was like, okay, how do I learn about the Bible? Cause I didn't know about it. And, uh, I downloaded the, uh, a book called the Bible in 24 hours by Dr. Chuck Missler. And, uh, I'm like, I downloaded it. Then I'm like, when am I going to have 24 hours to listen to this? And, uh, it's funny cause I went to the airport to fly to Columbus, Ohio. And they canceled my flight. I had to drive and it's 12 hours there and 12 hours back, 24 hours. So I listened to the whole thing. God like answered me right away. And in watching that or listening to that audio, I mean, it was, it really shaped me big time. I learned so much and it suggested to watch the passion of Christ as a believer. And I watched it and I'm like bawling and I'm just like, wow, this is unbelievable what he did for me. and I'm going for a walk down the beach and I'm talking to God and I'm thinking to myself, you know, now that I'm on fire for Jesus, do I, do I need to carry a giant cross down the beach in public saying Jesus saves? And is that, is that what I'm supposed to do now? And I was like, Lord, I don't want to do that. I'm not volunteering, but if you tell me to do it, I'll do it. But I'm not, you know, I'm not putting my hat in the ring saying, please, you know, tell me. Anyway, I had that conversation and, And then the next day I did the same walk. And I'd go south where there was no people. If you go north, it's real public and there's a lot of people. I went south so it was quieter. And when I turned around, there was a guy walking down the beach with a giant cross that says Jesus saves. And I was like, whoa. And I went up to him and I asked him, I go, why are you doing this? He's like, because God told me to. And because normally. I go north where the people are, but he told me to come south today. And so I had those kind of experiences. So to the wife, you know, I'm on fire and stuff's happening. And I'm thinking I'm going to go to Kansas City. I bought a ticket to go to the Send. They were going to deliver a million people to Jesus. And I thought, well, I want to be part of that. And God told me not to go. Instead, I went to a local beach baptism. And it was May 15th of 2022. And I went to this baptism and I volunteered. I got the T-shirt, you know, to help. inspired people. And there's a couple thousand people getting baptized. So it was a big crowd. And I saw this woman there and my spirit was like doing flips. Like I need, I need to meet this woman. Of course she wasn't smiling. She wouldn't look at me. She looked angry. Like she looked mad at me, which is funny because normally if someone looks like they don't like you and they're not going to smile at you, that's not someone that you really want to go meet. Right. But God told me, he's like, she needs to know you and you need to know her. And so I didn't really think much of it, although I knew someone that she was with. So I found out her name and I sent her a friend request on Facebook. Of course, she didn't accept it. And, you know, through the course of three years, you know, I'd run into her occasionally at different churches that God had sent me to and I'd see her. But again, she wouldn't look at me or smile or anything. So on December 27th of last year, you know, this is like three years from seeing her at the beach. I saw that she published a book. And so I invited her to get on the arc. And she said, she'd love to get on the arc. Now I've never heard her voice. All I've seen is the angry face. Wow. You know, and then I asked for her phone number. This is on messenger. And so she gives me her phone number and this is like on a Monday. I'm like, when can I call you? She's like Saturday. I'm like, okay, I'm going to wait like five or six days. So I wrote her name on my dry erase board. And her number. And I didn't want to forget. And, Prior to calling her, God took me, he told me to go to Daniel 12, 12. And this isn't normal. He doesn't normally give me a direct scripture to go to, but I go to Daniel 12, 12. And in that verse, it says, if you wait 1,335 days, you'll be blessed. And so when I talked to her, It was January 10th. I talked to her for the first time on the phone and she had the sweetest voice. Like I was like, it was, didn't match the face that she'd been giving me. We talked for like 45 minutes and I was like, wow. But I looked at the timestamp or, you know, from May 15th to when I first saw her to when I finally spoke to her for the first time, it was 1,336 days the day after waiting 1,303. And so that was kind of like how I knew that this woman was from God. but then there was like all these other supernatural confirmations. And, and we, we've, we were just like, like on the third date, I, I said, look, I'm not looking for a girlfriend. I'm not looking to date anyone. I'm looking for a wife and I'm pursuing you. And, uh, you know, we, we, she invited me to go to church. We start going to church together, then the home group and all these different, we seem to be with each other every, every day. And, uh, We got married April 5th, and we've been together just nine months, but it's just been supernatural. We have such a cool experience together because we're both chasing Jesus. And I was looking in the Bible about dating. It doesn't talk about dating. It says find someone that's yoked and loves Jesus as much as you and get married. And so that's what I did. That's what we did. This is such an encouragement to people who are in a place of like, hey, I've tried this, I've tried this, but have you tried obedience? Because obedience, when done, it gives you such connection to what God really has for you. A lot of people say, hey, I love you. And love is different from obedience. Jesus said, if you love me, you obey my commands. And when he tells you to go speak with somebody and then Typically, what will happen is people will be like, oh, she doesn't want to talk to me. And you just give up. I love that you're listening to God because he's giving you... the tools to like make it another year. And you're going to church. You're not taking it personal. You're just staying, abiding in him. See people who are drawn to the person or the individual or the beauty more than Christ. They'll be like, well, I'm done chasing that. But you were chasing Christ. So anybody who's listening, anybody who's listening to this testimony, see and be drawn to God can bless you at any age. And then he gives us the desires of our heart. If we first seek him, he was like to the rich young ruler. He was like, he was not saying you can't have all this wealth. He was just testing him to see, Hey, what are you about? What are you, what are you willing to give up to follow me? And Jesus was very clear. He said in another place in the scriptures, Whatever you give up for me, I'm going to give you a hundred times over in this lifetime and the lifetime to come. So he's not unwilling to bless us. He just wants to know, are we making him Lord? Because there's lots of people who are like, hey, Jesus is great. He's cool. But is he Lord of your life? And I can obviously see you're reaping the rewards of that. You're reaping the fruit of that. And Chris, are you taking notes? Because I know you're looking for the right type of woman. This guy, he's giving you on a silver platter. So. Well, I mean, if God puts her on a silver platter. Well, it wasn't actually a silver platter. He had to work hard. She wasn't on a silver platter. I think she was more like on an American Ninja Warrior course that you had to jump through, including like sounds like she has what we call like that steel gaze where like she's not going to smile at you until she knows that you're absolutely in love with Jesus. Yeah. Um, we have about seven minutes left. I want to talk about, uh, anything that's on your heart. Um, one thing that I, uh, wanted to get people taking a look at is your podcast here. So we got an image of your podcast up. This is you and your lovely wife. Lisa is her name. Yeah. And, uh, sounds like you've had some really good guests. Uh, general Flynn is, is probably one of my like top 10 guests I've ever interviewed. So that's amazing. You've interviewed him. And it sounds like you've also had Dr. Judy Mikovits. I've interviewed her live with Chris. We absolutely respect her. And then you have Amanda Grace, who is just such a sweetheart and gifted and operates in the prophetic. So these are the type of guests you're going to meet and come in contact with on your show. Tell us a little bit more in the next six minutes about what you're trying to speak into people's lives right now. Well. you know, God is supernatural and he's real and he's, he loves everyone. He wants all his children to turn to him. And, and, uh, you know, the, the, the guests that I have, you know, it's anyone from people that have been delivered from leukemia or cancer or, uh, broken marriages. Or drugs and alcohol and drugs and prison. And, you know, and then there's, there's people that talk about the truth about, um, medicine, pharmaceutical, you know, I have those frontline doctors, um, election fraud, you know, we talk about it, but, but, you know, every, everything is uncomfortable to talk about, but we need to talk about. And, uh, you know, growing up, you know, I was taught, don't talk about politics, sex, or religion. You know, those are the three things that we should always be talking about. That's why we weren't such a mess because we took God out and we need to put God back in. And, uh, So that's really the inspiration of Get on the Arc is just to share what Jesus does, and he's in everything, including politics, especially. Especially. Yeah, I see we are— our church, which I want to encourage people to take a look at. I'm going to do a selfless plug right here about my church. The Pursuit Northwest and there's the Pursuit Spokane. So I'm a part of a ministry and in Spokane, our motto is revival or die. And what that statement is, is it's a dual ultimatum. It's either revival or we die. We are at a crossroads as a nation, as a country. We're at a crossroads as a people. And the devil isn't playing around. He's not messing around. He has an actual army. He has rank. The Bible says in John 10, Comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Those are not playing around words. Jesus, though, on the other hand, has come that we could have life more abundant. So I, you know, I think this nation either has to go through what we would describe as flood type waters. And I believe we can turn around because I look at my grandkids. I have four grandkids, Darren. And yes, I do want America to wake up. And I don't mind some stormy weather. But I also know that God can turn this around. So I appreciate the MAGA movement. I appreciate what God has done through the political process. But I was talking to Clay Clark and he was saying it was crazy because these MAGA rallies turned into Jesus rallies and people would be saying, not just USA, USA, but Jesus, Jesus. And this is what the Bible says. If we raise him up, That's all we got to do. All men would be drawn unto Him. If we lift up the Son of Man, we lift Him up, all men would be drawn unto Him. And I'm excited about that because even post-Charlie Kirk's passing, we're seeing right now numerically more people coming to church, especially young men, than we've ever seen in any time, period. This is the Barna Research Group. More people are coming to church right now than ever. And you're proof of it. So your thoughts on that as we got about three minutes going into our break. Yeah, I mean, it's, I see more people turning and giving their life to Jesus. I just see it nonstop. It's just awesome. Muslims are converting and non-believer atheists are converting. And, you know, it's either it's good and evil. You know, pick a team. Team Jesus is the team that you need to choose. And, you know, it's happening. And I love Clay Clark and his wife, Vanessa. She wrote her book, you know, about, you know, about her, blind child and then giving sight. And really that was what brought clay to Jesus was that, that whole experience. So that's really cool too. Um, but that whole group with the reawakened tour, whether it's general Flynn or, um, you know, all the doctors or clay Clark itself. I mean, the whole event was about Jesus. It really wasn't even political. Yeah. Which is awesome. And I'm so glad to be part of that. Yeah, and I'm so glad that you've connected with us. Your website, once again, GetOnTheArcPodcast. GetOnTheArc22. com. GetOnTheArc22. com, which in the next few minutes, I want you to talk about the significance of the number 22. Last night, I was having a rough day, find myself crawling to bed. I had asked the Lord for something to give me peace and to give me tranquility. You know, I was like, Lord, Hey, I'm struggling. I also felt like this kind of like, like kind of negative spirit coming on me, crawling to bed. It's 11, 11. I was like, Lord, you know, a lot of people look at that as, just dumb that you see these things, but I, anytime I need something, God provides it. So I want you to explain a little bit of your affinity for 22. It sounds like you have that there. So, um, explain with us about that. And then also I want us to hit, um, the Holy Spirit and some of the supernatural, like I, a lot of people are turned off by the Holy Spirit. I'm not going to get on Caleb too hard right now, but I know Caleb was raised, our senior host, he was raised on a hippie commune and he was around a lot of that tongue talking weird stuff. And it's just really uncomfortable for a lot of people. But I believe that there's wonder-working power, transformation power in the Holy Spirit. Let's talk about the difference between the insane, some of that weird stuff like rolling and barking, and then the real power. of like limbs being healed, eyes being opened, diseases being cured. So I really want us to kind of just, for the last 15 minutes, talk about that. This is Caleb Collier with churchandstate.media. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're not sleeping on my pillow, do you even patriot? I gotta tell you, this is the most wonderful stuff from a man who's given it all for your freedoms, whether it be the pillow, the sheets. or the slippers, I absolutely adore MyPillow. MyPillow has the greatest products around. I know when I want to shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers and yell at the neighbors, of course I'm buying from MyPillow. I need you to head on over to churchandstate.media, scroll over to shop, because every single time that you purchase any of these products using the promo code churchandstate, you ensure that we keep our message out on the air. I thank everybody for your support in using the promo code churchandstate. You guys go to them You go to mypillow.com forward slash church and stay, too, and then you get your own little platform right there, everybody. Hello, welcome back. We are on part two of the interview with our, uh, awesome guests who his, his website and also podcast are synonymous with getting on the arc. Uh, we have with us, uh, an individual who was saved at 50 years old. Well, he was already saved. I kind of want to clarify. He made Jesus Christ Lord at 50 transformed his life. Uh, He's married, has a wife. Let's pull him on here. And as we pull him on, Darren, are you there with us? I'm here. All right. We're going to show our website just for a second. We'll get you back on. I'm going to show our website. I want to talk about one of our items. I'm a coffee guy, Darren. I cannot live. Unfortunately, I don't I don't have many addictions. Namely, my first addiction is Jesus Christ, probably close to second place, very close is my wife. I've been married 30 years. I just celebrated my 30th anniversary. But then coffee is well-rounded in third place. My wife knows pretty much I don't really speak in full sentences. until after I've had a cup of coffee. We have one of the sponsors, Hunter's Blend Coffee Liberty Roast. These guys are completely independent from any type of modified gross stuff in their coffee, which in Italy, I just went to Italy, they have coffee every time of the day, Darren. It's so weird to be like, it's nine o'clock at night, I just ate some of the best pasta they bring to you like a pastry and a little cappuccino at night. So this is like, this is my type of people. Like they're drinking coffee 24 seven. So have you been to Italy, Darren? Yeah. My wife and I went to Italy for our honeymoon and we went to Italy and Greece. We spent four weeks. Four weeks. Okay. I just got done. This is crazy. This is the Lord. I spent two weeks in Greece and And we went all over the Ionian Islands, went on a cruise, a small sailboat and got a skipper. And he took us all over the Ionian Islands. I'm talking it was like a camping trip out of a boat. And we went to Athens, went to see all the Acropolis, all that. And then we once we were done with Greece for two weeks, we went to Italy for two weeks, Rome. Tuscany was insane. Dude, I was a Vespa king. I lived on a Vespa for about a good three-day period, this little red Vespa, and my wife and I just had the most romantic time, 30th anniversary. So we were there for a month. You were there on your honeymoon for a whole entire month between the two, the exact same locations. Tell me where you went, just because I'm nerding out. Well, we started in Italy. So we went Rome, Florence, Tuscany, then Amalfi Coast, then Sicily. And then we went to Santorini, Mykonos, Milos. I'm probably forgetting something, but yeah, it was unbelievable. What an amazing trip. Okay, I got to ask you a question. Are you the trip planner or is Lisa the trip planner? We had a trip planner. Okay. There's an art to it. My wife is so good. I don't know if you can divulge how much you spent, but this trip should have cost me in my opinion, close to 30 grand. Like our, the room we, the room we stayed in in Santorini over, over the caldera was like, I felt like I was in like a Star Wars movie. I've got this little house built in a cave and I have this view of the caldera and then she got a room that was like a view of the Pantheon. Like I'm literally looking at the Pantheon from my bedroom window. And then it just, this place after place after place that she was looking on online, we should have been spending 30 grand. We ended up probably being somewhere around 15 grand, which I believe when you love somebody and God orchestrates this kind of stuff, like the Lord is very clear. He says, store up your money in heaven. But like, I'm an experienced guy. I have no problem spending a good chunk of change on a vacation like this, because it took our relationship and our marriage to another level. And I just want to encourage married couples, especially young, old, whatever, really, really invest in your spouse because God says that they're, they're a fruit of him. So yeah, I think, you know, a month long trip with your wife is probably life-changing in a way. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what an amazing, it was just such an amazing place. It's like every day was something, you know, God just showed up and showed off. Like it was just so cool to be part of that. And I have to say the food in Greece is so good compared to Italy. Italy was okay. And my, my, my wife's Italian. So she's from Sicily. Um, but in Sicily was, was awesome. I would go back to Sicily any, any time. Yeah. I'm excited to go back. I, I, uh, One of our last meals in Greece was the best meal we had. We didn't even plan it. We were actually on an island called Naxos. And it's a kite surfing kind of like really mecca. And there was this kite surfing beach that we stayed on, all these kite surfers. I really wanted to learn it, but it's kind of an expensive little hobby. And I didn't come planning to do that. So I'm going to go back and learn how to kite surf. But we had this meal that was amazing. I had had lamb and it was not good every place I went, but this place actually did it right. Because I'm very particular. If you're going to do lamb, you cannot overcook it. It has to be tender. Like if it's chewy, it just really bothers me. So, but I'm with you. I believe that the Greek, the Greek culinary is so much better. It's, it's fresh. So awesome. Well, let's, let's get into it. I want to talk about your affinity. So God has been showing me for like the last 10 years, the relevance to the number 22. I went and did a deep dive. I studied without getting into the occult. I studied the occult. I learned that Alistair Crowley was obsessed with 11 and a lot of the, the, Even I believe these people who are chasing kind of like angels or they're chasing, you know, kind of like the supernatural. They see the correlation between 20 to 11. We also see the number 72 coming up. There were 72 angels. demons, archons who made a pact up on Mount Hermon. We also see America obsessed with 72. I don't know if you know that there's 72 stars at the top of the rotunda in Washington, D.C. There's all these correlations. What does it mean for us, though? Because it's like, it's our God. All these supernatural things belong to him. They don't belong to angels. They don't belong to demons. They don't belong to Lucifer. Um, Daniel is interesting. You obeyed those numbers. Daniel was what we believe to call a Magi. I don't know if you know that Daniel was in Babylon. He learned to, to have an understanding of the supernatural. And there's, there's theories out there that the very Magi who came to Jesus's aid brought him myrrh, frankincense, all those things. They knew the time signs dates. and supernatural because David, excuse me, Daniel had taught them that there was one coming. He's the one who taught about the prophecy of the Messiah. So back to why are you drawn to this supernatural stuff? Because some people are like, that's weird. And I don't believe it's weird. I believe it's significant. Go ahead. Well, I believe it because it's in the Bible. Yeah. And God, God, like he's so fun. Like it's like every day he teaches me new scripture. And so, you know, like 1122 took me to Mark 1122. When I had the audible voice wake me up from the dream, it was on October 9th. So I looked in the Bible, what's 10-9? Well, Romans 10-9 is when you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you believe in your heart, God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved. So it kind of was in alignment with what I was about to do with the Get on the Ark. What's interesting is I did a bunch of episodes. And while I was doing the episodes, some of my guests would say, you're doing Revelation 12-11. We overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimonies. And I look back to see when my first episode was aired. It was aired on December 11th, 12-11. So God is precise and on time with everything. And in fact, I got sober 11-22-08. And I came to Christ December 3rd of 2020. Exactly 11 years and 11 days into my sobriety to 11-11. So I love talking about how God is precise with everything. And what's interesting, too, is I got married four or five and God told us the date. And I told my wife, I go, you're the greatest thing that's ever happened to me, second to Jesus. And I'm like, I came. To Christ 12-3, 1-2-3, and I got married four or five. God is just on, you know, he's just on time with everything. Come on. And so I'd look for that. So when I see like 22, um, so get on the arc.com wasn't available. Get on the arc. 22 was okay. I didn't plan this, but the letter K numerically is 11. Yes. So it's got 11, 22 in the title, which is having faith in when Jesus said, have faith in God. So I don't know. I just look, I look at timestamps and dates and, God just has me seeking him out and everything, and I don't think anything is a coincidence. I love the supernatural. I've experienced the supernatural, and I just think God is supernatural. You know, they say scientifically a lot of people are finding out that the universe is math. And he is a God of numbers. He, he's computational. He has everything on time. Just like you said, he's on time. That's what time chronos time that we're living in. We live in chronos time, which is second by second. But there's another word for time that the Greeks had, which is called kairos. And kairos time is different. Kairos is outside of physical time. It's outside of chronos time. Kairos is an exact moment that was orchestrated by heaven, by God. The pagans even believed in this. They believed that there was a God called Kronos who actually ate his own child. But I digress. We serve a God who is always on time. He, every single moment, he will use even for our good, because this is the crazy part. Within his moments, there is free will. Let's talk about, I want to talk about for a second, predestination. I don't want to go too far into Calvinism. Like, I don't, I don't really want to go too far in that, but I like, how do we have free will? And yet he knows beginning from the end, um, are people created for his destruction? Did he like, how does that work? Cause I want to hear your take on it. Well, uh, we do have free will. I know God is a great shepherd. I mean, he's a good shepherd and he's always, you know, I might, but not, I can't, I can't change his plans. Like anything that I come up with, I'm going to mess up and make a wrong turn. He'll always bring me back. So when I think about free will, if I'm doing something that's not in alignment with his plan for. Me, he will bring me back. It's interesting. My wife's book is called Predestined for His Glory. And my book's called The Rugged Road Trip. So just to plug my book and her book. I love it. Beloved Road Trip. Yeah. And what was the name of her book? Predestined for his glory. Okay. And can you find those on your website? I'm not on the website, but on Amazon. Okay. So if, yeah, consider one of these days putting a link on your website, uh, at least to the Amazon. Cause, cause that is just, um, phenomenal. Oh, go back to that picture, Chris. What a good looking couple. Look at that. Look at that. I love that. That's a picture of the kingdom. Look at that son. You know, God has called us to peace, joy, fruits of the spirit, but he's also called us. I'm not going to throw shame at this. The world says have lots of sex, but I say it is not illegal to have sex with your spouse, a godly spouse. And you two look like a beautiful couple and you better be enjoying the fruits of your labor. Sounds like God's giving you a business with mattresses or something like that. Like, why can't we succeed? That's another thing that kind of bothers me. Let's talk about... I'm going off on a tangent now. The coffee's hitting me. Caleb and I don't see eye to eye on the prosperity gospel. I'm not one to say, hey, like... People really go after Stephen Furtick. I don't go after Stephen Furtick. I understand he has got a really nice house and all that, but it's like, it's irritating. Jesus is not ashamed of money. I don't believe in pursuing money for money's sake, but I also believe God has not called us to be living in squalor. I tell my young son all the time, because he's complaining, dad, he's 21. The economy is horrible. Housing, blah, blah, blah. But that's not the issue. You're looking at the facts, right? the truth is there's ways for you to make money like hand over fist. So I think my thing is, um, there is no such thing as prosperity gospel. There's just gospel and there just is prosperity. God, God provides for his kids. Now I know the early church went through struggles and they were still prospering, even though in caves and not at all times where they, you know, enjoying a good life. That's how people throw shade on today being blessed. They're like, well, were those people enjoying the prosperity gospel as they're being beheaded? Because I volunteered to see the Colosseum. I wanted to see the place where Christians were killed. And I felt a holy moment being there in the Colosseum recently in Rome. Yes, that's not prospering, but it's winning. To have a martyr's death is the actual ultimate death. Do you believe that prosperity in this kind of season we're in, in America, we're kind of, you know, an apex moment and also struggling. What is the answer to this condemnation of, of finances or, or being rich? Well, one, we, our. Father is unlimited wealth and he wants to give to us and he wants us to live in an abundant life. And, uh, you know, as far as he tells us to be a cheerful giver, give and, and you will be given, you know, equal, you know, what you give, you'll receive. Right. Um, so, you know, I, and God's always provided for me. I've, you know, I just think that he wants us to be prosperous and everything. And I read a great book by Cap Chatfield about the. Power of prosperity, and it goes right through the Bible. And over and over again, God is trying to, you know, he wants us to be taken care of. So we never lack anything or need anything because he's our provider. He's a great provider. And I will say, just to go back real quick, one of the things my wife and I did do, is we honored God. We didn't sleep together. We didn't spend the night together. We didn't do anything. We didn't get close to the crossing the line before we got married. And God has blessed our marriage as a result of that. And so I think that, you know, prior to that, you know, my whole relationship was to be physical first and then, you know, work things out. Whereas, you know, God's got the opposite. You know, he's like, get to know someone, be honorable, and then wait till you're married before you cross those, those intimate lines. That's beautiful, man. Like I tell a lot of young men there, they're not really, um, seeking sex for sex sake. They're actually seeking intimacy. That word you just said, intimacy is actually what I tell a lot of young men who are struggling. Um, they're even, even married men. They don't know how to verbalize to their spouse. I need sex. And I tell them to change your language. Don't say that. Say you need intimacy. Say that, yes, I want to sit down and break bread. I want to get to know you. But I also, my body is hardwired to seek intimacy with you. And that's the truth. God has a design. He wants us to really fully know and to be known with him. And the same thing with women. Like I used to be like, I don't know why we're going down this road, but I used to be very frustrated with the fact that people would joke around and say, hey, women, you're just never going to know them. You're just never going to get them. They're never really satisfied. They always want to go to another country or take another trip or they want to, you know, they're almost unknowable. And the Holy Spirit told me one day, yes, I did that on purpose because it's an adventure. Imagine being stuck in a universe where every day was the same. I provided you somebody who's just about unknowable, kind of like myself. And I just, my mindset changed. I was like, Holy Spirit, thank you. Like, you know, cause I would think, Hey, I got her flowers. But the next day it was like, manna, that doesn't matter. Now it's a new day. You need to get to know me. Like, so it's just, it's actually a beautiful thing to have the challenge in marriage and relationship. Wives, you're not allowed to be divas, but you, you do need to stay in that place of, of like being a noble. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Okay. We got a few seconds. I want to ask you about the Holy Spirit. We're going to, we're going to wind down. How essential is the Holy Spirit to your, to your walk? Oh, it's huge. I couldn't do without it. You know, The Bible tells us that John baptized us to redeem us from our sins and Jesus came to baptize us in the Spirit. And so the baptism in the. Holy Spirit and having the Holy Spirit inside of us, we were made in the image of God and we were filled with God. So without walking in that identity, it's so important. It's like, I can't imagine life without it, like without God. Yeah. Um, are you, let me ask you this quick question. Do you speak in tongues is speaking? Okay. Why? Cause people are like, what is that? Um, you know, it's, it's a, just praying in the spirit. I don't, I don't know how to explain it or, you know, I had a crazy experience. So I get baptized by Pentecostal couple, apostolic Pentecostal couple. They baptized me in my pool in my backyard in the name of Jesus. And they said, you know, the spirit's going to hit you and you won't know when it comes, but when it does, you'll know. So I used to do a road trip for my company and I drive all across the country. I've been to every state, almost every city. And, you know, now that I have Jesus, he's leading me on this trip. Well, I decided to dedicate it. So I show up at this. Church on a Friday night, just happened to be a Friday night service with Donna Rigney. And she had a guest pastor, Mary Crowley there. Mary brought all the men on stage and said, you're, men of God. Now you're given a new Jersey, uh, like a baseball Jersey says, Rangers, you're God's Rangers. And, uh, at the end of the service, uh, Donna said, uh, if you want to be baptized in the, in the Holy spirit, you know, sit back in the back of the room. And I did, and I had this experience bubbling up through my stomach and came up through my mouth and I. Was like giggling and, you know, it it didn't have, I didn't have. The language didn't come out yet, but, uh, you know, then one night I'm laying in my bed watching Amanda Grace and she just mentioned speaking in tongues and I just started, it just went off. And, uh, I don't know, I can't explain it. I don't know why. And when I pray, I just, say Holy spirit, feel my, my words. And I think I, it's interesting because sometimes I feel like I'm speaking some native American language and sometimes I feel like I'm speaking Chinese or something. I don't know, but it changes. Yeah. But, uh, well, I just want to, I want to be encouraged by it. And it encourages me because I, you know, it sometimes feels like a weapon, you know, and it protects me. And when I ran out of words to say, I, sometimes I don't have enough words to describe how I'm feeling. Holy Spirit gives us that. So, hey, we're going to let you go. Thank you for being on the show with us. Hey, Chris, we got an echo. There it goes. Thank you so much. For everyone, please check out Get on the Arc. We've had with us Darren and Lisa is his wife, Conrad. Please check out their show. Get plugged in. See some of the guests. Also check us out, churchandstate.media. Caleb will be back next week. I sure will not. So thank you for being with us. God bless. And with that, what does he say anymore? He goes, what is the tagline at the end? He's born for a storm. Oh, okay. With that, we're born for a storm. Welcome to the fire. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State. Are you tired of your device spying on you? Ladies and gentlemen, we live in 1984. 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