CAS275 - A State of affairs with Mike Lauber - Church and State

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It's literally like you plug into the news and you're just like, oh my gosh, there's nothing that I'm going to be bored with today. It's almost overwhelming sometimes. Every once in a while, we get a slow news day. I know we had one last week where I was struggling to figure out what to set for our lineup. But right now, it's just a nonstop deluge. Today, I guess the hot thing, again, is Ilhan Omar, family marriage enthusiast, and what may happen with her. Yeah, pick your poison. There's a gazillion things going on. Well, why don't we just go ahead and start right there? It's a great topic that we should cover. Obviously, this is in the news today. The Trump administration is going after her. She says, of course, that she did nothing wrong. There's no no no error on her part. But as we look at the facts, as I've seen them anyway, is that there's some questions about how old she was when she came over here. Apparently she was claiming she was 17 when in reality she was 18. Obviously, everybody knows about her marrying her own brother. And and, you know, there's some questions about the statute of limitations here. But ultimately, if this goes through, this will be a sitting congresswoman who will be removed from office and deported to a third world country. Yeah. Well, and one that she probably won't be very welcome in either since her father was a warlord and responsible for the deaths of thousands of other people in Somalia. But at the end of the day, so the way I understand it is the statute of limitations doesn't really apply. If she came into this country illegally under false pretenses, as essentially a writer on her father's asylum application, if he did not disclose that he was part of the government, that he wasn't actually fleeing persecution from the government that he was a part of, that that also, in addition to her lying about her age, would invalidate her citizenship. That alone would be false representation of the facts of failure to disclose information in federal documents, and that enough would be enough to denaturalize her stripper of citizenship and then deport her. So the circumstances surrounding that, as far as I'm concerned, are irrelevant, especially considering what a parasite she's been. And, you know, she herself said that she's not there to represent Minnesota. She's there to represent Somalia in Congress. So that's not somebody we need. I would completely agree. What do you think, Gabe? Um, visiting Washington during the Biden administration, it was pretty abysmal. There was no, I think your mic might be muted. Oh yeah. Let's, let's make sure that's, uh, no, it's not. Oh, I just couldn't hear him. Good. Right. Yeah. I just, I, I know the scum in Washington is, is just kind of like a ring that is, is permanently there. I was just believing that in Jesus' name, we were going to see some arrests, something. Like General Flynn on the regular has been asking for accountability as far as his own name being defamed, Russiagate, all the collusion. We still haven't seen anything. We had a little hope there that Comey might get arrested. Remember that? Yeah. Still nothing. So it's like, I get it. It's interesting, but it's all kind of like P.T. Barnum. So you think it's just political posturing? She's not going to get arrested. She's not going to get arrested. Okay. Same thing with Comey. So let me ask you a question about this, both of you guys here. Is there a risk of martyrdom here? I mean, thinking back to like Donald Trump, right, when they raided Mar-a-Lago, right, and it really made him a celebrity within his supporters. Oh, yeah. You know, that mugshot- I mean, that image alone. I mean, talk about the black community. All of a sudden they just jumped on board like they were all in for Donald Trump. Is there a risk of doing something like that with Omar? I mean, I think the left will pretend that's the case regardless, but I don't think it'll stick. It won't have the same impact, especially with, you know. Even MSNBC or Miss Now or whatever they're calling themselves now, even they had to admit– there's a mountain of evidence to suggest that she lied, that there's fraud involved in her citizenship, that she appears to have married her brother, that she lied on the visa applications. And– You know, we also have her staff. They changed her birth date. There was a jihad watching, probably the best headline I've seen of this, that Ilhan Omar entered Congress at 37 years old. Then she became 36th. That kind of stuff doesn't happen. And it wasn't just her congressional website. They were calling Wikipedia. They were calling a number of other political websites or ones that just have profiles on Congress members and asking them to change the data the same way. This was a known fact. She knew it would come up. Somebody would figure it out eventually. It's not like the Trump administration started this. Well, she was running for office before she was even elected the first time. A newspaper in the Somali community figured this out. They ran stories on it. But, of course, you know, the mainstream media ignored it. It's inconvenient for a Democrat. So we didn't really hear much about it until Trump started pushing the issue. That's not to say, again, that it wasn't discussed at all. I've seen the clips from, like, Sean Hannity bringing it up and others back when she was first elected. But, again, you know, the left is so quick to pretend nobody is above the law if they want to prosecute Donald Trump. But if it's somebody like Ilhan Omar who broke actual laws– and again, this isn't even getting into all the feeding our family fraud, the $ 30 million winery that's apparently worthless, and everything else that she's involved in. Her hands are obviously dirty. Everybody knows it. Her sister's crimes with defrauding the federal government, they were using one of Ilhan Omar's addresses for that. It's like she's going to jail one way or another if we have an honest society. But to your earlier point regarding justice, like that's the big problem. These midterms would not be a question right now. We would be steamrolling the left. in my opinion, if we had just stuck to our guns, if we got what we voted for, if we were seeing some actual arrests right now, and I'm glad that they can get some of these Somali pirates and welfare fraudsters or Medicare fraudsters out in California that they're investigating. Fraud in Ohio and Maine and elsewhere. But that's not what all of us were talking about when we went out and voted in 2024. We were talking about going out. To the deep state. They've teased us 13 times now that they're a to get John Brennan. Oh, well, we've got a grand jury in Panama, D.C. Oh, there's another one down in Florida. Well, I still haven't seen the handcuffs. You know, we got to get serious about this stuff. If we're not going to actually prosecute the people that have persecuted those on the right and weaponized government, then expect the same in future administrations. If you leave all their moles embedded, you know, what did Brendan say? That he has a legion of people at the CIA and in the intelligence service that he's still speaking with. Which means he's still pushing buttons and operating. When we wonder why things don't happen or when things are leaked inconveniently, sometimes that are not true, this is why. It's because the tentacles are still embedded everywhere. We've done nothing to stop that. Since the Somali daycare fraud, there was a group, a fringe group of people who were actually going to do something physical in response to it. There was a lot of people. I haven't told my wife. I told her, hey, if a bunch of people do this, consider doing it. What they're doing is on their taxes. to the government, they're pulling, you know, what they would normally give out and not paying it and keeping it aside in case they need to. There's like supposedly a great amount of people who just said, Hey, after that much of fraud and nobody doing anything about it, man, I would love it to see if people stuck to their guns and just said, Hey, you know, I'm not paying my taxes. Get over it. If everybody didn't do it, there would be not enough government enforcers to actually do anything about it. But it takes the masses to actually wake up and do something about it. And I think, honestly, that fear factor, I don't think they'll ever pull the trigger on it. I don't either. But like you said, if enough people did it, the genius thing about it is if everybody pulled it aside and kept it on the side, the problem is everybody wants to get their $ 5, 000 from Trump and use it kind of thing. Yeah, that ain't going to happen. I mean, again, it's just like. The tariff, whatever it was, the tariff dividend or whatever he called it. And the other time they teased out some other prosperity dividend. That's what it was. And the tariff refund. It ain't happening. This $ 5, 000, that'll go away after the election. Nobody will talk about it again. Just like the bribery from the left. I mean, it's hard to run against Santa Claus. And I guess trying to do it ourselves is, I don't know. I just don't think that's an effective tactic. But bet your bottom dollar, there is zero possibility the left would let Trump get away with giving $ 5, 000. Checks out to people. Because think about how the response was during COVID, when people got their STEMIs, their stimulus checks. People all of a sudden love Trump. Your average voter getting, what was the first one, like. $ 1, 800? And that's the only one of these stimulus checks I can kind of understand. If you did the two weeks to stop the spread, you shut everybody down, I mean, I was still in the staffing industry at this time. And a lot of people, they can't go two weeks without a paycheck. So I can understand that one when it's a forced shutdown through government contractors and everyone else. I mean, we had almost two thirds of our employees were laid off for two weeks. But the rest of these, it's bribery. It's pretending to be Santa Claus, just like when the left promises they're going to pay off your student loans or they're going to give you universal health care or whatever. This is bribery, in my opinion. This is trying to buy votes. So we shouldn't be doing it either, and there's zero possibility that it actually goes through. Well, it's embracing of socialism, and I don't care. I just did an episode about this. I don't care if socialism– is under a communist banner or if it's wearing the stars and stripes. I'm opposed to it fundamentally. And when I see the Republican Party starting to embrace socialist tactics in order to win elections, I'm out, and I'm not voting that direction. And you're going to be hard-pressed to ever get me to come back over to your side again. Yeah. Well, Gabe, to your point, tax revolt. I think this is something that's necessary. We don't even know the total of fraud that's been uncovered so far. Remember, initially, we kept getting these numbers. It was $ 18 billion in Minnesota. They were up over $ 100 billion that they'd uncovered in California. Then it stopped. People stopped talking about it. I know J.D. Vance has brought it up before. He's leading this fraud task force. And again, I'm glad they can arrest a few Somali pirates. But I want the elected and appointed officials that allowed this to happen in Minnesota. I want the people in California. We all know who some of them are. Their name's already out there that were running these different programs like this one. fat Latina lady out in LA. I can't think what her name is now that, uh, what was it? She built housing for, it was like 32 people and spent like half a billion dollars to do it. I mean, you, you could have paid every person that they put up in one of these little, you know, beauty and gallery apartments. Um, you, you could have put given every one of them, I think it was like 20 something million dollars and, uh, still had money left over. Yeah. I mean, throw them in a triple white. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big house, honestly, for these people. You throw them in a triple I, you know, $ 150, 000. Boom. There you go. What are you doing with the rest of the money? Well, we all know they were pocketing that money. So, yeah, the fraud is absolutely at the scale that it's at right now in the United States. We cannot continue as a country. There's just absolutely no way. $ 40 trillion in debt as a nation. And we're just kicking that can down the road to our kids, to our grandkids. Like, eventually, this balloon pops. Yeah. I mean, oh, sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. I, I, what, what the reflection just back to like the, the, the sting and the wound is, is we're all paying our taxes. We're all obeying the law. We're, we're going 55 miles an hour in school zones. We slow down. And then it's like, you see this and this is where the rub hurts. And you like start thinking of Robin hood. And I started thinking of, um, what was the name of the King that was evil? Prince John. Prince John. Okay. It's like, when does something happen? I don't advocate violence, but it's like, there is no justice. And then when I see people like General Michael Flynn pushing for accountability and it's just like. Dead silence. Doge is, remember that moment when Doge is like flipping open pages and you're like, yes, this is it. Everything I dreamed of. We're just coming off of him being elected now. And I'm seeing like, we're joining forces with Elon Musk. Dude, nothing is happening. And it's, as a Christian, I'm not trying to be discouraged, but I am realizing, wow, you are here on the map. You are truly here. And, you know, I don't, what do we do with that? Yeah. Why did this Doge program ever stop? I mean, this is one of it was beloved by the American people. You know, people even on the left, it had a barely over a 50 percent approval rating because they're on. Most Americans do not want to pay for drag shows and look in Uganda or sponsoring ladyboys in Thailand or. What was. A crossdresser festival in Lesotho. I didn't know Lesotho was even a country. I'd never heard of it before. Yeah. But we were spending over a million dollars to finance some he-she carnival or a parade or something over there. Why are we doing this? Why are our tax dollars, to your point, we're $ 40 trillion in debt. I think it's time to rein in the foreign spending. Maybe take a look at some of the things that we're sponsoring here in our own country. I find it really interesting that all of a sudden the left cannot win an election in South America the minute Doge is gone. So we are financing global communism. You and I were paying for all of it, and that got uncovered. That's why they had to shut this program down. Now, unfortunately, a lot of Republicans went along with refunding a lot of these programs. They're put under other places that run directly through the treasury or other under other agencies. But all this needs to go like we need to take a real look at how we're spending our dollars. We can't go around being the globe's sugar daddy. Those days are over. I'm OK with small things here and there, helping countries that are allies or countries that are becoming are moving to the right. Like, you know, if there is a way that we could help out, say, El Salvador, you know, we should maybe look at that, that we should be building an alliance right now with South America, especially now that Brazil has broken their shackles. It looks like Lula was hopefully headed back to prison. We should be working with them. Our former allies in Europe, they hate us. They are actively working against our interests in a lot of ways, and I don't care that we have old ties to them. We have to live in the moment. It's time to look out for our own interests and force. We need to use the leverage that we have to get other countries back in line with where they need to be. Right now, in the U.K. and Canada, they're trampling on people's free speech rights. France has been on fire for two weeks now, thanks to the religion of peace. But we pretend it's about schools. So we've got to start living reality. We've got to start operating our own interests. And criminals here within our own ranks need to go to jail or this problem will never fix itself. You're talking about America first policies, which all three of us were all on board with. A lot of Americans are all on board with America first. That's what he campaigned on. It has been campaigned on. The charge of, oh, you're just isolationists, that falls flat anymore these days. Ron Paul was right. I'll scream it from the rooftops. He was right. We should have gone that direction. But the question that I have on this one, and it's a real sticky one, and a lot of people get uncomfortable talking about, but turning off that spigot completely, I'm all for it. And then maybe examining countries. But the question is, and this is a lot of people on the left and the right are talking about, is the nation of Israel and how we tend to be seen as lapdogs for the nation of Israel doing whatever they want. It seems like, and I heard Gabe talking about this on a previous episode, it seems like we're not even in control anymore. No, I'm going to jump in there because I just visited... Rome. I just visited Greece. I spent like a whole month in Europe and just really realized we're the boogeyman. Like nobody was negative towards Americans, but I just really realized we are so globally now integrated as like multi-ethnicity people interacting with each other. You can go to Shanghai now. You can actually go to Russia. Like the wall in Berlin is down. Like you can actually go in these communist nations and actually do business now. So it's really weird. Like the world is really integrated now. But I just feel like right now, this is our last chance to actually do some type of way to get our country's bearings back again. And here's why. Because I actually believe that AI, this. Surveillance net that they're putting up as we speak is closing off our last chance to actually have a formal revolution because we will be watched and subjugated in such a way like hong kong because we watch hong kong what they did and they were getting sprayed with water cannons they were putting on masks they were cutting down their version of a version of a flock camera we right now this is our last window to actually peacefully protest and then it's done then then it's like hey, your income is based on this and then your card, your score. And there just has to be one more COVID or something to all set this up in place. I don't know what that is. I haven't seen a false flag in a very long time. It's starting to get me nervous. I haven't seen anything going on. But yeah, dude, this is our last chance to actually do a revolution. The airplane, the one with the Indian pilot and the Muslim copilot, that was a false flag. That was definitely a false flag. Yeah. Seems to be. Yeah, you're right. The surveillance state's growing. And the one, well, the two missing components to make that where you can control anybody's life is the digital dollar we do. We have a digital currency that they can turn off if, you know, you do things that are politically incorrect. Or maybe you just buy too much meat. You bought eight pounds of meat last month. That's way too much. So this month you're a vegetarian. You drove too many times last week. You're now limited to two miles from your house. And if you drive anything more than that, it's going to be one day, and that's it. And this is what they want. And then it's going to be passport control and control of movement. I mean, we used to hear a lot about these 15-minute cities. In a lot of places, people were reviled by that, but you're still going to get the same kind of policies just under a flashy new name. I think we may have done some things to slow it down with the pushback during COVID, but this is clearly what they want. They want access to your medical records. They want everything streamlined and controlled. They're already rolling this out in Canada, in Australia. You can't pull cash out of a bank in Australia now without permission. A lot of banks aren't even carrying cash down there. This will roll out here as well. And most of us, you know, I'm guilty of this, too. I primarily use debit and credit cards now. I rarely pay for used cash. But, you know, that means they can also document everything. We found out earlier today they were surveilling 600,000 Americans because they bought mega hats. You guys see all this thing, this update with Jack Smith? I did. Yep. Yeah, so they're rolling people onto lists like this. And again, this is illegal. The federal government is not allowed to build these kind of political databases under any circumstances. But again, if we're not going to actually arrest people, then what's the point? I'm glad that we can have these hearings, that we can find things out, and senators can send out strongly worded letters right after their fundraising emails. But we have to actually have results or nothing changes. And you can bet your bottom dollar that, you know, I think it's right on a razor's edge right now, whether we end up with another Republican administration after President Trump. I think it probably slightly leans that direction just because the Democrats are so disorganized right now. And if, you know, the country's wine mom, Kamala Harris, is their nominee again. You know, then I think their chances of winning are not very good. However, if they end up with, you know, the AOC, um, Miam Dami ticket or whatever, uh, then I'll, then their cheerleaders in the media are going to. Be pushing this as new, whatever. But I mean, the minute that there is a real, a Democrat administration, again, they are going to flip this, uh, the circuits back on and everything that they were doing during Biden, they were going to continue building this monster and it will be done in a way where we can never get out of it. Now, Think about it. Right now, deportations are happening, but not at the level they should be. And right now, one of the big things, besides just having all these people siphoning off our welfare, depressing wages, taking up houses, causing housing prices to go up, one of the other things is the electoral vote. Right now, you have the left greatly overrepresented. In Illinois, New York. California, probably a host of other blue states, because this is where a lot of the illegals went to. So they're counted in the census, which means they're getting extra representation in Congress. They have extra power in the electoral college. We've got to start taking these problems seriously, doing something permanently and taking. Our power back as the American people, because. The window that we have to change and fix this stuff is closing very rapidly. Even the next two years, I don't think the Democrats are going to take the Senate, but I think their chance that they take the House, it's right again, right on a knife's edge. And if they have it, it's going to be endless impeachment investigations. Donald Trump will be the reigning impeachment or continue to be the reigning impeachment champion. He'll probably rack up another $ 7 billion. During the next two years, they won't get any convictions out of the Senate, but they will control the message in the media cycle. And getting browbeaten for the next two years, especially if we still don't have any results, any arrests, getting voters out in 2028, I mean, it's already bad now. People are already demoralized. It's going to be a lot worse then. I want to talk about the election. I do. But I really want real quick. I want to redirect the question back to Israel because we didn't really get there. And we just had Ben Shapiro encourage everyone at an event. To live under the no-hide laws. Which was weird. Which is a very, very interesting statement because people don't know what the no-hide laws are. We've studied those. Those are dangerous. They're basically the equivalent to Sharia law. I'll go ahead and throw that out there. So I want to talk about that. And then after the hard break, let's come back and talk about the election. But please, both of you, whoever wants to go first, thoughts on this with Israel, no-hide laws, Ben Shapiro, all that. I hope we talk about it after the break because we only have two minutes. We can keep going. Let's talk about it after the break because it's actually nitty gritty. This is really weird. As a pastor, the Noahide Lods predate the Old Covenant. So the Old Covenant is old. This is the old, old covenant. This is like integrating this is like... So antithetical to Jesus's blood. This is so disrespectful to Jesus Christ, which I actually think this is a good thing because this is the one thing that will get the true Christians to actually get up in arms is when you tell them how to worship Jesus Christ. And when you take away this right here, Because I wear this with boldness everywhere I go. And when I thumb into the face of the people who do disagree with this, I'm not backing down on it. This is what gets you in jail. So I'm actually okay. If they want to start pushing this crap on me, guess what? I'm going to be even more loud and vocal and more resistant and not willing to bow down. And I think it will eventually make the devil pop out of his hole. So I actually think it's a good thing, Caleb. I know it's really weird. Go ahead, Mike. We got about a minute. I might have to cut in here for the hard break, but please, your thoughts. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I do think this could lead to something positive once people start to understand more what that is. Now, regarding Israel, because you kind of teased on us basically doing whatever they want. Now, my big problem has been the funding. Where our interests align, I have no problem backing Israel, including sharing some intelligence assets and things like that. I don't like them having an office in the Pentagon or being part of the military supply chain now, to be more precise. I think that's a problem. I certainly do not think at $ 40 trillion in debt, we need to continue building schools there, paying for roads, building soccer stadiums, that kind of nonsense, or giving them arms. Now, if we want to extend some credit, you know, they're a big boy country. They can pay us back if they need more Patriot missiles and they need that on credit. I suppose we can go that direction. But essentially, we need to be our own nation. We need to allow them to be their own nation. We certainly don't need to actually be doing their bidding or being seen as doing their bidding constantly. I'm going to break in here, Mike. We got that heartbreak coming up. It waits for no man. You know how it is. But we're not done yet, ladies and gentlemen. Great conversation. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State. Are you tired of your device spying on you? Ladies and gentlemen, we live in 1984. Your phones, your tablets, your smart televisions, they all are spying on you. And this is why I heavily endorse mark37. com. This is everything you need for your digital privacy. Phones, tablets, laptops, all of them are ghost protocoled. So that means that you are in charge of your own data. Just go to churchandstate.media, scroll over to shop and hit mark37. com for all of your privacy needs. Make sure to use that promo code churchandstate. And we are back, and thank you for staying with us. That rasp hit me right at the end. Did you hear that? Yeah, you did. You rushed it out. 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And I got to tell you, when you look at the no-hide laws and the penalties associated with them, and Gabe, you touched upon this, but one of the no-hide laws, the seven, is no idol worship. And they consider worshiping Jesus Christ idol worship. And the penalty, historically, in violating the no-hide laws is decapitation. Mm-hmm. That's what we're talking about. And Texas is probably the biggest state for this. They're passing laws in support of this left and right. Great old Texas passing this constantly. This is. This is something more Christians need to be talking about. It's the finalization of the Antichrist, so to speak, in Revelation. We don't know for sure how it's going to go down, but you wonder how does Jesus have such a large outpouring of the saints crying out on the earth at that time? I know for sure it's not just the martyrs. It's on the earth. Their blood is spilt then. So we have to assume to ourselves there is a great, towards the end, oppression of the saints of Christianity, Bible believing Jesus Christ is Lord people. So this could be the mechanism. And like I said earlier, before we went to the break, like I'm looking for ways, honestly, to see the devil rears ugly head because we don't really know. Is it Viacom? Is it Sony? Is it Disney? Is it, is it this lobby? Is it that lobby? And the only thing at the end of the day I can really just say is Jesus Christ, as he's exalted, that's all I really care about. As Jesus Christ lifted up. And even though I've, you know, in the past have been hard on churches like Stephen Furtick's, I don't really care anymore because they're exalting Jesus Christ. Stephen Furtick is not backing down on how you get saved. He's not integrating. Now, if he does... If I see a church now integrate the Noahide laws, Caleb, you can be as sure as like the gospel, bro, I am done with you. I washed my hands of you. If you are, if you're telling Christians, cause that's essentially what Ben Shapiro did. Did you see it? He told Christians how you get to heaven is you obey these rules had nothing to do with Jesus. If I see any pastor worth his weight in the evangelical community going alongside this, you are done to me. I think that's well said. Mike, weigh in. Yeah, well, again, we have to stick to our fundamental Christian values. We have to live up to the Ten Commandments. And again, if we're integrating Jewish rule, I guess I don't understand how so many Christians fall for this kind of stuff. And that's kind of part of the problem. I don't know if it's lack of education or lack of understanding or just this need in some people to jump to Israel's defense no matter what. And again, that isn't to say that they don't deserve it sometimes with what's going on. But again, we have to be true to the New Testament, to Jesus's Gospels. And you can't do that and follow these Noahide laws at the same time. And it seems simple enough, but I do think a lot of people are going to be misled by I think it's unfortunate that rather than just, again, dealing with the reality, treating things the way we should as they come to our attention, that there is this just reflective instinct with a lot of people to. Defend Israel no matter what. And again, I don't want to. Sound like I'm anti-Israel or anti-Semitic or anything like that. But again, we have to look out for our own interests, both as a nation and as a Christian people. And you can't serve both gods at the same time. I think that's really well said. And you asked the question of how people are falling for this. It really, it ties to dispensationalism. I think that is, we need to have as church, Gabe, and you're the pastor here, but as a church, I think churches around the nation have to have deep conversations in regards to theology and about why dispensationalism is wrong, because that's how we misinterpret Genesis 12.3. This has led us to this position within the American church that we have to support Israel no matter what, because we don't want to be cursed. Yeah. I'm not... I'm not... So hit me up here in a second, but like, I do not believe... that the covenant that God made with Israel is absolved. And here's why, because that means he could do it to me. Cause I'm in the new covenant, the present covenant, the best covenant, the most exclusive one, the one that would Jesus's name is the best. Now. I also don't believe this though. I, I, I am not going to tell somebody who is practicing Judaism, if they don't love Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, I'm not going to tell them they're just going to heaven. I'm going to tell them the truth that the only way for us to receive eternal salvation is through Jesus Christ. And I'll let God do the judging when it comes to the afterlife. I'm not for sure. But when they tell me that I can't say Jesus Christ is Lord and I have to follow the Noahide laws, I'm not shifting. I'm not changing. No, no. I mean, again, I think it's obvious that there is a new covenant, again, self-evident for anyone who's read the Bible. And the question I ask a lot of people is, you know, what does it mean to honor Israel? Does that mean giving them unlimited dollars out of the U.S. Treasury or supporting every move they make? I mean, again, there's times to be critical of them. And again, there's times also to let them do their own thing when they are acting in self-defense, like when rockets start getting lobbed in out of Lebanon. They need to go in and take out these terrorists that hide in churches, hide in schools and other places. And unfortunately, when you're dealing with an evil, satanic threat, like I view these Islamic groups, then, yeah, if they're going to use human shields, there's going to be unfortunate casualties. There's going to be collateral damage. But if these entities were pure evil, then they wouldn't be scooping up women and children or whatever and putting them out front to take the rockets from Israel. You know, Mike, you bring up a great point, and Gabe, you're going to love this. The Old Testament prophets, you know, like going against Jezebel or going against the murder of babies to Moloch, you know, were they blessing Israel when they were coming out? Literally a mouthpiece of God to call Israel to repent, to tell them, hey, you're going to be captives. Was that really like blessing kind of language? No, it wasn't. So Mike has a great point here. If Israel is doing something wrong. Call them out. And it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism being anti-Israel. I call out my own government all the time because my own government sucks half the time. So I'm going to call it out. That's not anti-American. That's a love for America. That's why I'm doing it. Great points. I want to take the last minutes here that we have in the conversation. And I want to talk about elections because a lot of people have some deep concerns about what's going on for the midterms. And this is something I've been saying actually for a while on the show. Donald Trump doesn't seem worried. He really doesn't. The Republican Party doesn't seem all that worried. With everything going on, with the economy, the wars, Epstein files, he doesn't seem worried. And the reason I believe, and I'm going to throw it out here and I want you guys to have a conversation around it, I think there's fraud. I think Donald Trump getting in, promising election integrity, I don't think there's election integrity. I just think he's the one steering the ship now. Yep. Once you hit that first, that's more your camp. I agree. I think at this point, a lot of the problems that have gone on with our elections I think were exposed. The media barely covered a lot of these documents that were released that both showed how embedded China was, all the problems with the electronic voting machines and all that. But right now, for whatever reason in the Senate, they don't have the will to– fight for what we need. Even something as simple as the Save America Act, which is nowhere near as much election security as we need, they can't even do that. I kept hearing the rumor that there's at least six people in the Senate that only got there through fraud, and that's why they don't want to make any changes. I should say six Republicans that are only there due to voter fraud. Now, I don't care what side of the aisle they are. If you're not there legitimately, you shouldn't be there. At this point, the only thing that's going to fix our elections is we need to go back to hand-counted paper ballots and And we need to have election night, not election season. Otherwise, there is no electoral integrity. If people don't trust the elections, then you no longer have consent of the governed. real point that you're trying to make here, the midterms, yeah, I think right now it's pretty evident that in a lot of states, they're oversampling Democrats. Now, there's a lack of enthusiasm among Republicans, but Democrats are not much better. They've got garbage candidates in a lot of places, too. You know, the blue haired moon bats might like all these DSA candidates, but your average Democrat voter, you know, especially your older ones that are, you know, aged out hippies or people that, you know, came up in the 80s when the party still could get along. You know, they're they're not real happy with. The direction a lot of their candidates are. They don't want, you know, the Al Qaeda adjacent people running the show, the Hamas wing of the Democrat Party, if you will. They don't like a lot of these socialists that are coming up either. They know this is a recipe for destruction. And even a lot of their big voices, they were never for open borders 20 years ago. I played this stupid clip from Nancy Pelosi like 10 times where she talks about how it hurts union laborers and it depresses wages. They know what they're doing. Their voters, a lot of them are too indoctrinated, especially younger voters, to really understand the consequences of. The policies that they're pushing. But at the same time, people on the right are not excited about their candidates. When you have 49 Republicans in the House that joined with, what's her name, down in Florida for this amnesty bill, the Dignidad Act or whatever, it's hard to talk people into going out and pulling the lever for somebody like Mike Lawler that waited until after the primary to throw a support into that bill. There's a lot of snakes in the Republican Party. I hope we can maintain the house, but I've been beating this drum now for months. We are going to have to put a real effort together in 2028 to go rhino hunting. We need to make sure no rhino is safe. We're not gonna win all the battles, but I hope we can find somebody with deep pockets and Elon Musk or somebody else to finance an effort to once and for all remove a lot of these people that have been a thorn in the side of Republicans for decades. They're not even rhinos anymore. I don't know if they want to call them undocumented Democrats or trans Republicans. They might identify as a Republican, but everybody knows they're really Democrats. We got to clean the filth out of our party. We need to put an agenda forward that we actually plan on accomplishing. And I don't expect perfection, but You know. We're striking out right now, and it isn't solely President Trump's fault. I think that a lot of the failures of the DOJ are the administration's fault, but every other failure that we see right now sits at Congress's feet. Why is it that they can only pass two or three major pieces of legislation? We got the big, beautiful bill, the Lake and Riley Act. I think there's one more I kind of give them credit for usually. Why are these losers not putting every. Executive order, notifying that in the law, ramming it through the Senate? Even if they know it's not going to get anywhere, at least make the effort. Show me you deserve to be in D.C. And not replaced by somebody that will actually stick to their guns and move our agenda forward. I think that's well said. Thoughts on the election that Donald Trump is. And the Republican Party is actually engaging in election fraud and that there might be a red wave or maybe perhaps better said, things that go bump in the night like the Joe Biden one, but this time on the red side. I'm making a prediction. I'm actually recording this on my phone because I don't come here in this office and do this very often anymore because I want to see if I'm right when the time is right. I actually believe that in Donald Trump's. tenure, before we even have the elections, I believe that we have to, the next shoe to drop is going to the digital dollar. That is going to happen. And here's how it's going to be launched. There's going to be some break in our current banking system. And we have some type of flop either blamed on AI or either encryption is finally no longer relevant. There is no way to encrypt it. And we have to shift to some type of biometric way to protect data. It's an economic COVID. It's going to happen. And I believe here's why it's going to happen in Donald Trump's. Because the level of trust with the majority of the public is probably better than if we were to do this during a time of the left. There'd be less unrest. I believe we're going to survive this as humanity. But I actually think that it could very well cause the elections, even themselves, to be postponed because of national security and all these things. So it'll be interesting. And I'm also saying this. We will survive this. We will rally together. This is why I think more than ever you need to be a part of a friend group. Um, you also need to be doing business with people who you can count on, who are local. You need to be a part of farmer's markets. You need to, Caleb, I know you have off-grid kind of lifestyle like the, and I'm not, I'm so done with fear-based living, but I just, I just really think they're going to try to pull this off in his, and that's part of the reason why he's not stressed. Yeah. Is because he really. Well, I have a thought I want to throw at you, Gabe, you know, With this upcoming election, let's say we do see a— I. Mean, and I do think this is possible. Let's say instead of seeing a minor Republican victory, we did see a major one. But I do think there's a lot of problems in the polling. I think there are going to be issues. Democrats turning out, they're probably not going to win the al-Said seat. Tal Riko, if he stays out of the mental institutions, he's still not going to win. But that could be the excuse. You could have massive civil unrest if the Democrats don't get their blue wave. I know they've been kind of trying to temper expectations on CNN. I saw a couple of their hosts look like they're about to cry while What's-His-Name was reviewing the latest poll numbers and showing these are margin of error and that statistically they tend to under-sample Republicans anyway. So, I mean, we could end up keeping the House. We do that. I think a lot of these people on the left are going to just straight up lose their minds. So, yeah, it's probably a good time to invest in canned food and shotguns. I'm with you. The right never actually does light the pitch– or excuse me, light the torches and get the pitchforks out. We don't do it. We're a lot of talk. We're big game. We got the AARs. But everyone obeys the law. They pay their taxes. They drive on the right side of the road, and then they don't have– Dude, the people who actually lose their ish and actually go into the streets and light car dealerships on fire, bust up Nike outlets, he's the left. That's a good theory because let's just say they have another four years of red. They will lose it. They will actually hit the streets. It will be like France- During the revolution. And I think that's probably their plan. I think that's what they want. They want to bring down America. We've actually gone over time, but it's been a great conversation, Mike. Obviously, we're going to have to have you back. I mean, this is just kind of fun, just spitballing, throwing things out there and having a great conversation, very organic one. And this is probably the most I've talked in a number of days. So forgive me for coughing over here. But how do people follow you? How do they listen to your show? Oh, you can find me on Twitter at Real Mike, L-A-U-B-E-R. I host The Insurrection every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 7 p.m. Eastern. You can also find me. I co-host Behind Enemy Lines with Terry Newsom out of Chicago on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 8 p.m. And then I'm a regular guest over on The Right Hook with Steve Hook. Awesome. Well, I hope the audience listens, goes, and checks you out because obviously you're a great American patriot. You're fighting in the trenches against the system, whether it be the left or the right, and that's really. What we need. We need honesty. I think people are so tired of the games, the political games, where they're looking for honesty, and you provide that. So it's been a pleasure having you on the show, sir, and we're going to go ahead and close it out. But if you'd hold on one more minute post-production and say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. Well, thank you again for having me, Caleb. A pleasure to be here and happy to come back. Awesome. All right, there we go. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you are, a candid conversation between three Christian patriots who truly want what's best for America, want what's best for Christianity, and it's up to you, as always, to pull the trigger, to do something about it. 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