Church and State - Making TDS an Official Mental Health Diagnosis with Dr Carole

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So, number one, I just got to ask, I'm sure the audience is as inquisitive as I am, the terrorist therapist, how did you come up with this? Well, you know, first of all, what it means is I'm not a therapist for terrorists, but I am a therapist for people who are coping with terrorism. You know, it started, of course, with 9-11. And then since then, I've been going to London for their 9-11, which was 7-7 of 2005. And I had a book come out for the one-year anniversary of their— of 7-7. in London, and then I've been to Manchester in the UK and Paris for their terror attacks, and then most recently to Israel after 10-7. So that's kind of how it started, helping people to cope with 9-11 and then other attacks. But since then, I have been more and more using my position as a terrorist therapist to warn people about the fact that terrorism isn't over, that we are in more danger— well, everybody is in the world, but in the United States, we are in more danger now than we were before 9-11. And the danger is primarily an inside job, Since 9-11, the terrorists have not— they have been continuing, of course, their attacks, not as big as 9-11, but what they have been doing that's more insidious and more dangerous is they have been gathering influence in education and in politics and in media. So they have been— I mean, you just have to look around at who's running for the midterms. And they have been getting more and more powerful all over America and changing rules. I mean, you know, in New York City, for example, the main site of 9-11, we have the call to prayer, the Muslim call to prayer played— every day in Manhattan, and perhaps in other boroughs as well. But, I mean, who would have thought? Nobody would have believed that if you had told them that right after 9-11. And it's happening, of course, in Dearborn, Michigan, and Texas, and Florida. I mean, it's really happening all over these seeds, especially since the border was so porous, these seeds of... Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims. I have to say that. However, Muslims who aren't terrorists have not really been helping. They have not been trying to convince their brethren that this is not okay. Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Now, all Americans, I guess I can't say that because there is a younger generation now that doesn't remember 9-11. They weren't alive during that time, but For people my age and even younger, they remember distinctly where they were. For myself, I was serving in the United States Marine Corps when 9-11 happened. And that is something I will remember for the rest of my life, where I was, the smells. I mean, all of that, I will remember that. But terrorism is such an interesting idea, I guess, to be at war at or with. But we moved from... being at war with nations to now war against ideas. And terrorism doesn't have borders. We defeat them in Afghanistan or something like that, right? Pick your country. It moves locations and it keeps coming at us. And as you pointed out, it's not just specific to Islam. And I would even say within this country with that red-green access, I would point to a number of different cases, school shootings and things like that, where it's actually the radical left, these radical communists, that are also engaging in terrorism as well. Yes, yes. That red-green alliance, you know, when 9-11 happened, first of all, I knew nothing about terrorism. I didn't think it was something I had to know about. But when it happened, and I'm a born-and-bred New Yorker, although I was living already in California at the time, my heart was and is still in New York. And so it particularly affected me, 9-11. But also, I had this sense, it's hard to describe it, But I just had a sense that terrorism was going to be the biggest danger in my lifetime. And so that's why I decided to take a portion of my work to focus on terrorism. You know, so years— and when that happened, you know, I had to quickly did a crash course on what is terrorism. And that included going to a lot of conferences about terrorism and reading books and so on. So at these conferences, the experts, people who were already experts in terrorism, said that it was going to be coming in this more insidious kind of way with terrorists growing, you know— starting now, or some of them had started already, and making their way to the top of education and media and politics. And, you know, I look back on that and I think, why didn't anyone listen to them? You know, I mean, we knew this was going to happen, or they knew, and they, of course, tried to tell as many people as possible. But and so I heard along the way I heard about the Red Green Alliance. But, you know, back even 10 years ago, that was not such a big deal. I mean, it was like something that I just kind of stored in my memory. You know, oh, there's this thing called the Red Green Alliance and it's the communists and Stalinists and the Marxists and Marxists. Actually, at that time, the Democrats hadn't gone so far that way. But and they're combining with the terrorists. OK, that's interesting. But in the last 10 years, five years, I mean, it has really become a thing, become a danger, become a serious danger that people do need to know about and worry about and do something about. not just worry about. And so they— and, you know, the funny thing about it is that they don't really agree with each other on a lot of things. Terrorists certainly don't believe in LGBTQ +, for example. They throw them off the rooftops. And the Marxists don't necessarily believe— well, they don't believe in the So they're just banded together to– what they do both agree on is to destroy America. They both want to destroy America. Yeah. so they have made this they become strange bedfellows for the purpose of overthrowing America and unfortunately this has made them really powerful and because you know people who wouldn't necessarily vote for a terrorist or you know a someone who was a religious radical Islamist, you know, kind of go along with it. If it's also that they bring in the Marxist philosophy, oh, the government's going to give me all this free stuff. Okay. All right. Whatever, whatever they believe in, whatever religion they believe in. And it's really, it's gotten, it's gotten over the top now. It certainly has. And, you know, what you're saying, you know, this is something that Marxists identified a very long time ago. And the Russian or Soviet Union infiltration into the United States, you know, all spheres, politics, religion, business, education. It was very well documented. And I think they taught their jihadist brethren, I suppose. these tactics, and now we're seeing it. And they're inside the United States, and they're attempting to win hearts and minds. And I would say that they're being met with some success here, actually. And you can point to the DSA, for example, or Mondami in New York as an example of their success. I tell you, it's going to be really interesting. This is going to be a big fight. And if, and I pray this does not occur, but if they are successful, then there'll be a war against the red versus the green. And honestly, and I've said this before on the show, Dr. Lieberman, but when I look at the American communist who can't figure out their gender and what team they're supposed to play on when sports, uh, you know, with sports, I don't see them winning that war against the jihadists. No, I know. Um, I mean, it would be interesting to see that fall apart, that alliance fall apart. But I think the most more important thing is to not have them get power altogether. But I mean, yes, they'll be against each other's throats. The more they get powerful, the more they're gonna try to crush the other part of it, the red or the green. Yeah, there's no like I've seen some online chatter about, well, they'll divvy America up and, you know, maybe the jihadists will have the East Coast and the communists, the West Coast or something. That's not going to happen, ladies and gentlemen, if. And once again, I'll reiterate, I want to fight this with everything that I have. But if that were to occur, they would attack each other. And so what we find ourselves in, Dr. Lee Merman, is we're in a position right now to where we have to strike. We absolutely do. Anybody, and I don't care if you're calling yourself a Republican or a constitutionalist or a libertarian, anybody who loves the principles of freedom and liberty has to understand, has to identify the enemy here. and has to do battle against them. Oh, absolutely. We are in a really dangerous time. Part of the problem also is that a lot of people... have like given up the fight. I mean, have given up trying to keep America, keep the traditional values of America because they feel a part of that was, was COVID, you know, the lockdowns kind of took away our mojo. Um, of course, 9-11 started taking away our, taking away our mojo. It's still having an impact now. And so to get people to stand up and fight, there's a harder, uh, is a harder job than it used to be. And I think it begins with bringing back the flag to classrooms. That's one of the things that I'm really strongly, a strong believer in. One of the ways that we have to fight this takeover, this plan to take over America is by bringing back the love of America, the patriotism, which has been dying a slow death, a painful death You know, the whole idea of Olympians, for example, turning their back to the flag or not putting their hand over their heart for the national anthem or turning their— I mean, all of these things, not just Olympians, even athletes here— Just, you know, because that's part of the infiltration of people who are anti-America in our schools, that they have gotten, even from kindergarten, preschool on up, they have really been... you know, besides like the Marxists trying to teach Marxism and the terrorists trying to teach terrorism, besides that, they're teaching the kids, little kids, to hate America. And they're teaching other kinds of stuff too, like becoming trans, which is all part of the same thing, breaking down the American family by telling kids to become trans, by doing all of these things, because the American family used to be really strong. And it's hard to have a leader, you know, when the family is strong. Hard to have their kind of leader when the family is strong. So we need to bring back, you know, when I was a child, we would start each day in school with pledging allegiance to the flag and with singing the, let me start that again. When I was a child, we had the flag, first of all, in the classroom, every classroom, every schoolyard. And my grandfather actually had a flag at our summer home in Lake Mayo back in New York. And, um, and, and we were, and when I went to camp during the summers, we had a flag and there was the raising of the flag and all of that. I mean, it was, it was a, you know, and the flag was, was represented the love of country. And that was just a, uh, a common thing. That was a normal thing. And now, um, because that's slowly been taken away, um, And because there have been specific things taught. I mean, this year, for example, the 25th anniversary of 9-11, kids, I saw some of the booklets that the schools were giving teachers how to teach about 9-11, which was really basically don't teach about 9-11. Um, and they, they said to use words like to just tell the kids, well, some hijackers took over planes, not to mention the word terror, terrorism, terrorist, any of that. Um, which is outrageous. You know, it's funny because a little, about a week or so before nine 11, um, a, a memo was leaked from Canada and, um, uh... to uh... to they were they had told the people at the canadian broadcasting company to not use the word terrorism to don't associate 9-11 with terrorism and you know i did some interviews about that and and uh... you know there was some talk in america about that that's terrible and all that but uh... then it was after that that i saw these booklets being given to american schools to teachers to tell them the same thing, basically all. Now, Canada backed down, actually, in the terms of, you know, they did allow them to talk, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, to say terrorism, 9-11 was terrorism. So no sooner did the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation go back on their memo that said you can't mention the word terrorism, 9-11 has nothing to do with terrorism, and they did acknowledge it for what it was, and no sooner was that happening than I saw all these... these memos, basically, these booklets given to teachers in America to not mention that 9-11 had anything to do with terrorism. I mean, this is really outrageous. And, well, in things like that, parents need to speak up. Parents need to get on the school boards. Parents who care about this country need to— this was in Virginia in particular, this particular booklet that I saw, you know, where they were warning kids. But it happened in other places, too. It even happened in New York City. I was offering to speak at some schools in New York City because one of my books about terrorism is Lions and Tigers and Terrorists, Oh My! How to Protect Your Child in a Time of Terror. And it's for grownups like parents and teachers. And also the second half is a picture book for kids. So I thought, okay, I will volunteer. I'm not asking to be paid for this. I will volunteer to go into the schools and teach kids about terrorism and about 9-11, of course. And there was this cringe. It was kind of like a very uncomfortable thing. Well, we're not exactly gonna be doing things about 9-11. Excuse me, even in New York City? It's really, thank goodness for the National Museum of 9-11, which really every school should take a field trip to go to it because it's incredible. And it teaches about that day. I agree with so much of what you're talking about. And you're talking about bringing the flag back into the classroom. And, you know, the flag is a symbol of America. I think we need to go towards teaching civics again. And I just want honesty. I want truth. I would love a civics course in schools that looked at every single political system that's ever been created. The good, the bad, the ugly, all of this. And I think if children... could be presented that in a very open way where discussion was encouraged, that they would quickly realize the beauty of America, the beauty of a representative government, and they would quickly understand the failures of a theocracy, of communism, of socialism, of fascism, all these different isms, right, that are out there. I really want to see that return back to America because I believe that our kids are smart enough to understand why this country is worth defending. Yes, I remember. I don't remember whether it was in elementary school or junior high school or perhaps both, probably both, if not high school. But I remember like in some book there being three columns where, you know, communism, socialism and democracy or capitalism were. And they showed, you know, you learned what each one was all about. I mean, yes, if that was, I mean, clearly that's not, I don't know, do you remember, there used to be, or maybe there still is, these books, these yellow, like cliff notes, but they weren't called cliff notes, but it was like that, these yellow books that sort of summarized all these things. Anyway, I remember, you know, cramming before tests. Not that I didn't read the right book that we were supposed to read for each class, but cramming for tests and looking at these things. And I mean, yeah, I mean, I think kids are obviously being given different books and different lessons. I mean, I mean, case in point, Dr. Lieberman, you know, the difference between democracy and representative government. You know, our founding fathers hated democracy and they wrote about it extensively. about how we should never become a democratic country. And yet all of these talking heads are constantly talking about our democracy, our democracy. And it's a trigger point for me. I know I'm a libertarian conservative. I shouldn't have trigger words, but I get really angry when people start talking about our democracy because I understand that that democracy is is short term that they always end up in total and utter chaos. And that's what they want. That's why design so that they can usher in communism or socialism. Good point. Um, yes. You know, while, while they're learning about, um, communism and socialism and capitalism, they should also be learning about the constitution, you know, and American history, true American history. Um, Yes, this is, you know, I mean, President Trump is doing an amazing job, but it's going to take more than, I mean, first of all, all the good things that he's doing, there are all these judges who are trying to stop him in his tracks, whatever it is, you know, getting, making people who are illegal leave, all kinds, you know, the things that he promised to do. There are, unfortunately, these Obama-appointed judges who, and courts and DAs and all that, Who are trying to stop these things at every turn. Yeah, yeah. I mean, definitely the the judicial system has been weaponized. I mean, I would argue most of the federal government has been completely weaponized against we the people. You bring up Donald Trump, and just in all honesty and fairness, and my audience knows this about me, not the biggest fan, but I'm not a fan of really any politician. But you talked about something before we ever started the show, and I've got to hit upon this because this is so interesting to me. You have some rather– I mean, if you're a left-wing person, you might view it as an extreme view of on TDS. I think the audience is going to love this. Please tell us what you're doing with this. I have been working for almost a year on putting together a diagnostic classification, a description in the way that the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual does it, you know, which is a the Bible of the American Psychiatric Association. It has all the different diagnoses and the classification, like what symptoms you have to have to be diagnosed with each of the different things from schizophrenia to everyday anxiety to personality disorders, all kinds of things. And so I have been working on putting something together in that format so that I, which I'm planning to do this, well, let me think. in this format so that when I present it to the American Psychiatric Association, who is incredibly woke by now, but still, you got to try, when I present it to them, to ask them to include it in the DSM, either to add it to the, we're on the DSM-5 right now, so either to add it to the DSM-5 in the online version or to put it in DSM-6. But I want them to include this diagnosis, Trump derangement syndrome, to include this diagnosis in the DSM so that. First of all, the DSM, it's not just for psychiatrists. It really is for all mental health professionals to be able to talk to each other about certain diagnoses, to know what we each mean by that. And also for insurance companies, they look at the different numbers, each diagnosis, and there are all these different numbers. So when you send in a bill for insurance, they decide how much they're going to pay or how many sessions you can have. I mean, I I have stopped dealing with insurance a long time ago. But anyhow, so it's for different reasons. And primarily, the point is to bring help to people with Trump derangement syndrome because people are ruining their lives and the lives of the people around them. Their marriages have broken up over TDS. Job situations have fallen apart because of TDS. All kinds of friendships have fallen apart because of TDS. I mean, it is really sad what's been happening in this country. you would think that if you were, if you love somebody, if you love your spouse, that just because they have a different political belief, that would not make you divorce them, you know? If you just don't talk about politics. I mean, I've had one of my best friends, this started with his first term, that she has alienated herself from me. And then, of course, you know, now with his second term, we got to be sort of reconnected when Biden was president. And now again, she sort of is, I don't hear from her. Um, and she actually, and she brought it up with the last time I was talking to her, uh, which is a while ago now, she said something, are you still, do you still like Trump? Yeah. Um, there, she knew that I had gone to the inauguration. That would really be it. But, um, but anyhow, so, so, um, what it is, is a sort of a quasi-psychotic opinion or feeling or attitude towards Trump that does not relate to anything logical, his logical, his policies or anything like that. It is about the man. And let me pause you right there, Dr. Lieberman. I apologize. We had a hard break. We got to hit this. You're going to come back. We're going to finish this conversation. It's fascinating. TDS as a certified psychiatric issue. I can see the commercials already. Try Soma for TDS or something. This is going to be wild, absolutely wild. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with Church and State, and I want to tell you about Methylene Blue. For a long time now, you've seen the Maha people using Methylene Blue. I thought I'd give it a try. You know what? It helped me considerably, not only with mental clarity, but also with insomnia. Now, you've got to be careful with Methylene Blue because the market is filled with with counterfeit products. 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But I do have a question, uh, Dr. Lieberman, um, when you, when you're looking at like a psychotic, you, you said a quasi psychotic, uh, is what TDS would be diagnosed as. Um, When you're looking at this, and I'm a little bit familiar with psychosis. I used to be an EMT and I used to care for people that were having breaks. You know, sometimes with psychosis, like sometimes they fixate on things. And in this case, they'd be fixating on Donald Trump. And I ran into a lot of these people that would fixate on religion. And some of them thought they were Jesus Christ. And some of them thought Jesus Christ was the devil and was trying to kill them. So if TDS was actually an official diagnosis of Would it be that there would be for people that view Orange Man bad, Donald Trump's responsible for everything? But could there also be another side of this where people view Donald Trump as their savior? Well, not in this particular diagnosis because Trump derangement syndrome. But can it go both ways? That's an interesting point, actually. Yes, you could be so deranged. that you think that he's the savior. I haven't quite met people like that. But certainly, I mean, certainly there are, I mean, I shouldn't say that. There are people who you could kind of, they could go into it in the other way. I guess I've been more concerned with the ones who are deranged in the sense of hating him and trying to thwart him at every turn. But yes, that's a very good point. I will consider that. All right. Look at that. We're figuring things out on the show. I love it. No, I have created three different categories of Trump derangement syndrome. Mild, moderate, and severe. And what's interesting is that, you know, I've been working on this, as I said, for almost a year. And what's interesting is that some people have changed categories. They have moved up like Jimmy Kimmel. I originally had him in the mild category, but he has moved up at least to the moderate. And who else? I think the view I originally had in mild, people are just getting more and more deranged basically is what's happening. And So they're not all psychotic. I said quasi-psychotic. So the mild people, people in the mild category, are not psychotic. But the mild category are the people who throw shoes at the television set when Trump is on, for example. Or who can't help screaming out when they hear YMCA. Take that off! Or they do some kind of... make some kind of a big statement. Then the severe, that, of course, includes people, well, people like uh, Trump's niece, Mary Trump, you know, who wrote books about the family and how bad Trump is and all that kind of stuff. I mean, you know, she hasn't done anything violent. Some of the people have done in severe have done something violent, but, um, but it's just that, you know, a family member kind of, uh, going out against you the way she did is kind of severe. Um, there are the people of course, who made the attempts at assassination. Um, there is, um, You know, there are some actors who have, who only, Robert De Niro, for example, you know, he was at a luncheon that was made to honor a particular writer. And he was the guest speaker. And he, you know, generally at those kinds of things, you're supposed to talk about the writer and why they're so great and what they did and all that kind of stuff. and why you like them. And he didn't say anything about the writer. He just talked about how bad, orange man bad, you know, how horrible Trump is. And my friend, and I do have a friend who doesn't, isn't a Trump supporter, but who is still my friend. And he was there at this luncheon And even though he is not a Trump supporter, he couldn't listen to Robert. He had to leave the room. It was that bad. So, I mean, there are people who, and so the idea is, you know, some people say, so how are you going to treat people with Trump derangement syndrome? You know, they're not going to go to a psychiatrist to hear about why they should like Trump. Well, my therapy isn't that, like isn't to convince anybody how great he is. It's to look at what is wrong with you that you hate him? So like, for example, men, men who hate Trump, um, are typically men who are dissatisfied with themselves, who are insecure, who compare themselves to Trump, you know, who was really well-educated, made a lot of money, has a beautiful wife, has a beautiful family, you know, and, of course, has got to be president twice, not in adjacent terms. So they look at they compare themselves to him and they're jealous. You know, they're envious. They think that they they have to put him down in order to not feel bad about themselves or to try not to. So there's that. And then the women, women who don't like Trump are typically college educated white women. And these are women. These were the original pussy hats. And and they obviously have problems with men. And don't have good relationships with men. And so then they look at Trump and he would be, you know, he would be a person that they, if they were in a relationship with him, which of course they would never be, that they would anticipate that he would be like a bad partner or something. Which of course isn't really true in terms of Melania, but, or his other wife, wives. So, So it really has more to do with them than about Trump. And so the therapy would be directed towards them. Now, also, if they do have psychotic symptoms, medication would be useful for that. Or if they're just super depressed, antidepressants, whatever associated symptoms they have could be treated, I mean, with the therapy primarily, but also if they need medication, then also with medication. Do you mind if I play a little devil's advocate here? Sure. Okay. So some people might hear this and might have deep concerns. They're looking at this and they're saying, we're allowing now the government to come in and just because I don't maybe like somebody that I could get diagnosed with something and be forced into treatment or be put on a list or, you know, I mean, there's certainly been cases of individuals who have been diagnosed with with a psychiatric issue, they get their firearms taken away from them. There might be some concern here about the power that that might give the government. Okay, but first of all, the American Psychiatric Association isn't the government. It's just psychiatrists who it's like, and you don't have to be a member of the American Psychiatric Association. It's totally voluntary. I used to be very involved. When I was a psychiatric resident at NYU Bellevue, I was gung-ho APA, and I even started the first residence group, like APA residence group in New York. And I was also on the National Committee, the National Public Affairs Committee. I was just all in. And then I started getting a little disenchanted with them when, for example, at the American Psychiatric Association meetings, there's an annual convention. So some of the people were doing speeches about their research on medication. And it turned out that they were supported by the company that made this medication. So I started getting a little disenchanted. a little less enchanted with them. And I'm not a member, I haven't been a member for a lot of years. I was even on the DSM, the committee for one of the earlier DSMs. I was on the committee that looked at schizoaffective schizophrenia because I had written a paper a journal for a journal that was in a journal about schizoaffective schizophrenia about whether it belongs as a separate entity or under schizophrenia or under bipolar disorder so so that's how I got on that committee so I know kind of how the how it works but now about a year ago when I started working on this TDS diagnosis for the American psychiatric well I to present to the American Psychiatric Association, I looked at their website, which I hadn't looked at in a long time. And I must say that they have become, as I suspected from different articles and so on that I've read, you know, with all the trans stuff going, they published a book, actually. They have a publishing arm. published a book about becoming trans they supported it You know, so a number of things have happened since I was a resident that have made me sort of, you know, turn away. But it isn't a governmental thing. In fact, they argue with the government. There were things— for example, now they're arguing with Kennedy's, RFK Jr. 's ideas about medication and all that. So they don't—it's not a governmental thing. I kind of misspoke there, and I apologize for that. I definitely understand that they're not part of the government. My point was more of the government will use these diagnoses to then strip away individuals' liberties. Sure, that is a potential problem. But the way I wrote it up, though— Trump derangement syndrome is sort of the most egregious. There was an idea of doing Obama derangement syndrome and Bush derangement syndrome, but it never went anywhere. It never got far. People weren't really afflicted with it as much as they are TDS. But I did say in the— in the description, that this could be used beyond Trump. You know, this could be used if there's ever a phenomenon of another president that so many people are so... you know, are quasi psychotically against. And again, it's not because of his policies. I mean, they might like, if you ask someone with TDS, what don't you like about his policy, name a policy that you don't like, what has he done so far that you don't like? They can't, you know, well, he's just a horrible man and he, you know, he's a racist and he's a Nazi and he's, you know, all these things that they hear, which aren't really true. Yeah, I would definitely agree. And I've seen so many videos of that asking somebody that, you know, Orange Man Bad Syndrome or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Well, he's just a horrible person. And well, what policies? And, you know, for somebody more libertarian like myself. I can point to specific things that I don't agree with Donald Trump on. But then again, I wouldn't get treated for TDS. So it's a fascinating idea, I got to admit. And I think, honestly, like this is going to start some deep conversations, people on both sides of the aisles with some very extreme thoughts about this. You know, with, you know, and I agree with your assessment of the American Psychiatric Association. Very left wing. They've been infiltrated. They're pushing, you know, transgenderism, which prior to prior to just honestly, a few decades ago would have gotten you as diagnosed as having a mental health issue. If you wanted to cut off body parts, you would probably be brought into a facility and treated. So I don't see them approving this. But I got to tell you, you're going to make some headlines. You are definitely going to be talked about. Well, I'm going to be going to Washington, D.C. Also, I have a website that is, I can't give it out yet, but I have a website I've been constructing or someone on my behalf has been constructing it. I'm a technophobe. A website for people to go to, to first of all, read the proposal. And second of all, to take the test to see whether you fit under my health moderate or severe or nothing. I got to take this test. I got to tell you. It's it's once again, it's a fascinating idea. Just a great conversation to have. We're kind of running out of time, but I want to make sure to plug your website because I want people to check out your work. I want I want people to buy your your book for their children, Lions and Tigers and Terrorist. So my you can find this at terrorist therapist dot com. Chris has got it up on the screen for us. But Dr. Lieberman, tell us a little bit about the website. Yes, I, I'm very, I, I started this website quite a while ago and, um, you know, with some of my first, uh, it's probably about almost 10 years old, but I keep adding to it. Particularly, I keep adding the videos that I have been making for the anniversaries of, uh, 9-11 and, um, of 10-7. And you can see the, the videos on the website. And, um, And I also have lots of other information. I also put my podcast. I do the Terrorist Therapist Show. I host that. And that's on the website. And it's also on, of course, wherever you... That's me at the UN. Not at the UN. Well, it was at a benefit dinner for the National Museum that was just released, 9-11. And there are different articles from... There's an article from an Israeli paper. There's Um, you know, what's interesting is that if you look at the, at the original video, um, and there's the England, you know, when I wrote a book, as I mentioned for, for the first anniversary of their nine 11, seven, seven, um, and, um, and, uh, you know, there's some interviews and there's a lot. So, so, so the, the podcast is on there each time I do another podcast, um, current edition, I put it on there and put the other ones in the podcast menu bar. So anyhow, so I keep adding to it, and I don't think it's going to be over anytime soon because, as I said, we're in more danger now than we were before 9-11. Absolutely, yeah. No, I would agree. This world has become a very dangerous place, and fortune favors the prepared. Dr. Lieberman, it has been absolutely a pleasure having you on the show. I so appreciate the ability to have conversations. And even though I'm libertarian, more on the Republican side, we have fun. We're cordial to each other. These are the conversations that need to happen, honestly, across all the political spectrums in America. We need to be able to have conversations and enjoy each other's company. So I so appreciate you once again joining us on the show. I appreciate all your work. I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you so much for joining us on the show. It was really my pleasure. 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