Church & State: Adam Hjermenrud The Glock Trigger Guy

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We'll be chatting quite a bit about that, perfecting the perfect I suppose, as you were. But he also is a caver. We're going to talk about that as well. He's been in some wild situations that I don't know, if you have a fear of inclothes bases. Maybe maybe he's not the guy to make friends with. But Adam, it's awesome to have you here on Church and State. Ye, it's good. See Yeah, good to see you too. So, as I was saying, we met at a shot show. We were both doing an after party event and we just started talking and we really connected. We ended up going and smoking cigars together and talking deep theology and just having a fun time out there. Yeah we did. And of course you had to ratle my cage about my iPhone and oh yeah, an Apple Watch, and of course my AirPods. Did you see the what was it Swedish? And it might have been Norwegian, I don't know, But anyway, scientists just proved that these these air pods that you're you're wearing right there, Yeah, they're actually making you gay. Oh really? Yeah, so how's that? It's actually the endocrine disruptors. It's it's leeching because of the proximity to your brain. It's a leeching those toxic chemicals into your brain. And they've actually found that in men, it's it's actually turning them. Gay, along with the frogs. I suppose the frogs. You gotta you gotta watch out for those. Yes, but you're right, No, I did give you a bit of grief. Are you still wearing your Apple Watch? Oh? Yeah, you see see, go go back to the old school. It works, right. We'll definitely get into that a little bit because I do want more people to uh, to exit the Apple store, as it were. But let's talk a little bit about the about the Shot Show, because I definitely I reported on this, I did a show about this. But I'd love, you know, to get your views as you went to the largest gun show in the world. I mean it was multiple floors. I mean, I was joking with you off camera. It's a good thing I didn't go there with a credit card because I would have come back in significant amount of debt. But as somebody that operates in here, I'm I'm more a lay person. What were some of the takeaways from the shot show? So my primary reason for going out there was for networking. There are some connections I wanted to make with some suppliers and things like that, and also some distributors. But yeah, I thought it was a great event. It's huge. It's impossible to put into words. I was trying to explain to my wife over the phone exactly how big that place is. And I don't know exactly how many acres it is, but I know didn't the booth numbers go up to like forty thousand or something. It was a huge place. So navigation was a bit difficult just because of the Like I said, it's in different buildings and several different floors. But yeah, I thought it was awesome. I actually really enjoyed hanging out in the smoking area smoking cigars with the guys outside because they got to speak to a lot of people there, because it just became a conversational thing where you know, hey, what do you do and then we get to talking. And I met a lot of cool folks that way. Sure, and obviously the coolest people you met were Mark three to seven people myself and. Absolutely yeah were great. Yeah. When we played it was atomic golf. That that was fun. I'm glad you guys talked me into playing. I was just gonna sit around in my pockets. Turns out none of us are very good at golf, but still a lot of fun. Yeah. It was just like you have targets, Chris, you've ever been to atomic golf or you ever played anything like that. No, yeah, you're you're supposed to aim at these targets. No. We were just trying to hit it as hard as we could and half the time we missed the ball or like the ball would just go do and then every once in a while we get a really good hit. But I mean it was fun. It was It was a good time to be had. We were talking as well. Some of some of the technology that they're coming out with that they were featuring at the shot show is impressively terrifying. We were talking about some of these drones, like four rotor drones. Saw two of them out there, and one had a mini gun on it and the other one had a flamethrower, and I was like, I don't know what I would do against something like that. I would pray that it was the one with a mini gun, because I'd rather die by a hail of bullets than a flame thrower personally. But I mean the military technology that unfortunately a lot of the police departments have now as well is pretty scary. What do you think about that? Oh? Yeah, Yeah, there was some pretty interesting stuff out there, and some of the new lighting tech and things was fascinating, some of the new weapon mountain lights. And also they had a gun range outside. Did you get to go see that? I saw it, but I obviously wasn't shooting. I was working too hard at the booth there, but yeah, I just see the gun range. Yeah, and it was really cool because they had a membrane that they projected the scene on and you shot through the membrane actually at the screen with a live fire with real bullets, and it somehow had a thermal camera that could detect the membrane getting hot when the bullet impacted it, and that's how recorded the hits. Wow. So yeah, the yeah, the technology these days is just phenomenal. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They also had one of my favorite firearms, Tommy Guns, and my boss Sean, who I think you've met briefly, but he'd never held one. I was like, oh, yeah, picked that up and you're going to be shocked. Things like a current up brick, you know, like multiple bricks. You're just like, man, this is heavy. No one did they all shot like this? Yeah yeah yeah, but honestly some really cool stuff. And I want to talk about what you do specifically, and I'm going to bring up the website here, glock triggers dot com. Now we're kind of we're kind of joking about perfecting perfection because glock has been for a very long time. They've kind of ran under that banner of it's the perfect firearm, right. Uh, They're they're indestructible unless your dog uses that a chew toy. I've actually seen those pictures before, but you've actually improved upon the glock system. Yeah, So what we actually do is we take the glock factory parts and we refine them by hand. Because back when the company first started, which by the way, the entry said I was the founder, I'm actually not the founder. I'd actually I started out with the company and its infancy, but I wasn't technically the founder. To give you a little bit of history, a friend of mine and I we were shooting competitively, and of course, you know, we wanted to be better, and as everyone knows, just like in any sport, that to be better, it's not skill, You've got to have better equipment, right, So we wanted to improve the triggers on our glockhand gun. So we went out and bought practically everything that was available at the time, which wasn't much. This was back twenty ten or I guess it's probably probably two thousand and eight when we got started in to working on them. So we went out and bought most everything that was on the market and discovered that what actually worked the best were the factory parts that came in the gun, which makes sense. So then we had discovered that we had ways that we could manipulate the factory parts to maintain the factory reliability, but then have a custom trigger. So that's what we still do now. Yeah, we're starting in twenty ten and I actually bought the company from the gentleman who founded it a couple of years ago. Okay, gotcha. So I mean this is something obviously with our show, we've got a lot of preppers. In fact, we're part of the Prepper Broadcasting Network, but we have a lot of people that are interested in firearms that are watching this show. And you know, I cover so many different subjects every single day on this show, but this is one that I wanted to bring to the attention of the audience because as a marine veteran, I know you need good firearms. You need quality equipment, regardless of what it is, and the glock is a fantastic firearm. It's one that's more affordable most of my firearms. Most of my pistols are SIGs, which are a lot more expensive. I do have one st eye, which is crazy. Now they're known as toccato, but those things are ridiculously expensive. But a glock is a great finer arm for you know, your average person who's not going to spend thousands of dollars on something. But for you to get in here and improve the trigger, what is this going to do? Obviously you're going to have a faster trigger pull, you're going to be more accurate. Can you can you walk us through this? Yeah, for sure. So one of the biggest complaints people have with glockhandguns is how bad the trigger is. You know, when you when you talk to the guys that are you know, because it's a Ford Cheavy thing at this point, you know, people talk about sig and they're like, oh, those blocks are terrible, They're ugly, they're the trigger is bad and and a lot of cases they are not wrong. So what we did is we took without mechanically changing the way the gun works, we refine those parts to where you get a you know, a cleaner take a crisp or break depending on the model, a lighter trigger poll of if you're shooting competitively, things like that, and also a shorter trigger pull. We've reduced travel once again depending on the model. So yeah, pretty much took a gun that was incredibly reliable. You know, it's used by I don't know what the percentage is now with sig coming on, seeing more, But at one point in time, it was like eighty or ninety percent of all law enforcement was carrying glock handguns. Yep, they're wildly popular and everyone loves the reliability of them, but oftentimes they don't like the trigger, and you know, they're there for a while. A few years back, everybody's getting into the Gucci blocks and you know they were Sarah cootingam and doing all these things. And in reality, for it to be functional, it really only needs two things out of the box. It needs a set of sights because they come with plastic sights on them. Those they've got to go immediately, and it needs a trigger. So yeah, so we kind of filled that gap, and we have models for competition or for you know, responsible armed citizens, law enforcement things like that, for critical use. Sure, you know, I love the analogy of the Ford versus Chevy because it's so so true here and I gave you, I gave you a softball. You could have You could have been like, oh, you carry SIGs, do do any of them go off just randomly? I mean, you could have jumped on there. You didn't. You're a gentleman. Here, I gotta tell you try no. But I think this is a fantastic product, and obviously somebody who absolutely loves the Second Amendment. I mean, you saw it on the intro. I tried to make the city. I was a representative for a Second Amendment sanctuary city. Like, there's a lot of things that are happening even under the Trump administration where they're coming for firearms and for me, for I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I'm I'm going to assume here the Second Amendment clears everything up, like government go away. You have no right here at all to say anything about what I'm carrying, what I'm doing with my firearm, and unfortunately they just love to come at us over here. So you're a big Second Amendment advocate. What are your thoughts on what we're currently seeing with gun culture. It's funny because especially being in this industry, how if I owned a flower shop, I can post whatever I want to on Facebook. I can give them my money for ads and they'll advertise for me. I can, you know, give Google money and they will recommend me at the top of the page and things like that. But since I'm in the farm space, nobody will do that it's almost you know, because the bottom line is that everybody in the firearms industry, we're not doing anything wrong. You know, we are on the right side of the law. We're not doing anything illegal, We're not doing anything immoral. We're selling a product just like anyone else, and especially us. We don't even sell guns, yeah, we just sell arts. And it's amazing how even like California, because this has a fact to us a bit, they passed that bill to where like the barrel of a gun, just the barrel by itself, just the metal pipe with rifling inside of it, it has to go through an FFL and have to pay a fee and have to do a background check and all these things for that one particular component, whereas that particular component by itself is completely inert. Yeah, you could throw it at somebody maybe and you might hurt a little bit, you know, might give him a concussion or something. But yeah, they don't just like expel bullets, you need a lot more working parts there. Oh absolutely, yeah. And it's not you know, it's not a dark gun or a machete or something like that that in itself can be used as a weapon, you know, But this is just a metal pipe. Yeah, that without the rest of the gun is completely useless. And once again, our our products are the same way that. You know, if I just hand you one of our trigger systems without the gun, you really can't do anything with it. No, And you know, in our trigger systems, they don't make it full auto, they don't do anything like that. They make it more enjoyable to shooting. If anything, I feel that it makes it safer because if you know, law enforcements using our trigger and they can hit who they're shooting at instead of you know, having a like the New York connector which makes the trigger pull twelve to fifteen pounds, which makes it nearly unshootable. Are you serious? I didn't even know about that. Oh yeah, yeah. They make a special part and this is for the Gen three and four guns that increases the trigger pull drastically. And I think it's New York that mandated for their cops. I may be wrong on that. I've been wrong before, but yeah, so they were walking around fifteen seventeen pounds. I'm imagining that in my head and I'm like, you're like, crme on, what's that going to do for your aim? That's the worst thing you could do. Well. Apparently they were having some problems at one time when they went from revolvers to semi automatic guns. Revolvers have long, heavy trigger poles. Semi automatic guns generally have shorter, lighter trigger poles than a revolver, and so the poorer firearms handling practice of their of the law enforcement was what brought that on. Because people were having negligent discharges. They were also concerned about sympathetic reflex that if I'm holding the gun in one hand with my finger on the trigger and I go to grab you, that I'll squeeze both hands and so that's supposed to produce that as well. But well, once again, it makes a gun almost unshootable. And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think you just said a bunch of boomer cops are the reason why we had to have these these massive trigger poles. I can't prove it, but that's possible. It is very possible. And of course at the time, everybody's scared of because they didn't have an external safety. Sure, they have three sequential and redundant safeties inside the gun which do operate unlike some other manufacturers. Oh there it goes. It's only one. It's only one, and I don't have that version. Okay, okay, well good, but yeah, so uh yeah, just the culture of how somehow farm's industry gets villainized over nothing. Well, it's kind of like it, it's not even farms industry. At the shot Show event, do we want to go into that story? Yeah? Please, Yeah, let's go into it, because this, like I said, there's some good and bad with it, and what the story you're about to tell is is pretty ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed to happen. Yep. And yeah, because that, I think it's a good segue into it. So at shot Show they had the after Dark events, which are networking events, which was the reason why I came there. And I was on foot just because I'm too cheap to pay for a taxi majority of time and I could just walk forever. A one ago, so I had walked down to the hotel where this event was and I actually sat down in another cigar lounge waiting for it to start and talked to some gentlemen there. So when it became time for the event to start, I walked over to there where it was going to be, and I scamed my badge. I said, come on on in, and then I was stopped by a fellow that it was some kind of management and he said he pointed at my hip and he said, you can't bring that in here. And I looked down and he was pointing at my pocket knife, and I wish I had it handy to show you it was a normal gentlemanly pocket knife. It wasn't. It wasn't like a big tactical six inch you know, this is a noise kind of thing. It was just a normal inch fucking knife, which actually had the clip on it that sets it deeper in your pocket to where you actually can't physically see the knife itself. All I can seize the clip. And so he said, yeah, you can't bring that in here. And I'm like, well, I'm on foot. I don't know what you expect me to do that. I don't have a vehicle to put in anything like that. And he said, he said, well, you can check your bag at the bell desk and this and that, and I'm like, well, that's got my laptop and everything else in it. And I said, you know, I appreciate it. I'll just go back to my hotel. Yeah, and so yeah, they wouldn't let me in because of a pocket knife. So and I mean obviously the shot show people could say, well that was a private business. You know, we were, we were contracting with them to have our rent there. But still the point is Vegas Las Vegas literally sind city. You can gamble as much as you want, you and I saw. I mean, you can drink out on the street, you walk around hole as much alcohol as you want. Drug use is happening right in front your eyes and the comps are seeing it. I mean how many times as you and I were walking around, did some moron approach us, Hey, you guys want to go to a strip club? And we're like no, like, no, we don't want to go to the strip club. It's it's stupid and gross and no thank you. So you got all those things happening in Vegas, but you can't bring in a pocket knife. Yeah, And I think really the problem is the because a pocketn's a tool, you know, like a lot of things. It's it can be used as a defensive article, but it's not really. I mean I've opened more boxes and you know, dug more splinters out of my finger with a pocket knife. I've stabbed people with it. And I just think it's interesting how there's this divide and it's not even anti gun, it's just like anti Maybe it's my toxic masculinity talking here. You know that it's just anti masculine and being able to use tools and and things like that, and like the things have been nerved to the point where it's like we can't be trusted to be in a restaurant with a pocket knife. Right. It's a good point, and I'm so glad you brought up masculinity there because that's an important, very important point. I think you'll probably remember this. But we had that reporter I can't remember the name or the agency that I reported with, but he'd gone out and gone shooting, and I think in this case it was with an AR, which you know very very well. I mean, I have one behind me right there. I'm pretty proficient with it. Not a very difficult gun to shoot, pretty easy, not a lot of recoil in a small, smaller round. But this guy talked about how he had PTSD from going out and shooting an AR, and he got ridiculed online, like people were posted videos of like nine year old girls with an ar just shooting away and this guy's got PTSD. There's something just inherently masculine about guns and really gun culture. And I've even seen liberals who would go out and start practicing, and all of a sudden they become more conservative. They get in touch with their male side right and not their female side, and suddenly they're like, you know, there's something to this. I like the guns. I like gun culture right well, you know, and. I think that it's additionally, once you get into the farm's path, I think, is that you realize that you're kind of taking responsibility for your own defense. So where I live, I live in a rural area. If we call an ambulance or a police car or something like that, we're guaranteed to wait at least twenty minutes, if not longer. Our fire department down here they can't hardly you know, get enough people together to roll the truck out when somebody's house is on fire. So we realize that if there's a problem, that the only people that are going to deal with it are whoever's here, And not that I'm that much of a prepper, that I'm that paranoid or once again being in a rural area that I think something is going to happen. We have had a few instance, you know, instances of people being down here that shouldn't and things like that. So but yeah, I think that once you once you go down that path and you get into firearms and you go, oh, well, I'm I need to be responsible enough to carry this gun and know when to carry it and when not to which we can talk more about that later if we want too. There's you know, there are some places where when you leave the house in the morning to go exercise your other rights, that maybe you shouldn't take a gun with you. But yeah, as I said, I think that folks just realize that they're taking responsibility by just the ownership of the firearm, and then that takes them down this path of kind of self reliance about well, what if I do have to defend myself from not just the guy that's trying to steal my television, but from tyranny. You're you're expand that entire gabit. Yeah, yeah, what kind of locations are you talking about here? Like I'm trying to think of a location I wouldn't bring my firearm, Like I'm the kind of guy that I go to a water park and you know, I got my concealed carry, like in my swimsuit, and like, people like, what's that. Don't worry about it, don't look at it. It's fine. I'm kind of joking there, ladies and gentlemen. But but no, there are certain places that you wouldn't necessarily want to bring a firearm to. I would agree with that, right. Yeah, if if you're going places to start conflict on purpose, don't take your gun with you. Yeah, you have every right to have it. It's not wise choice. You know, you're you're you're you're right, And like I'm thinking of during the height of the pandemic, I did a number of massive protests out here in Washington State because we we had it pretty bad where I'm at, and I actually did carry it most of those, but there were a number of people that that didn't because we weren't looking to you know, engage. Actually, to be quite honest, the police officers were on our side through most of this, but we weren't there. You know, it wasn't a Second Amendment event. It was, hey, we're done with these lockdowns. We're not We're not taking the vaccine kind of stuff. So yeah, there are places and and but here's the thing, Adam across the board. I'm going to make a very general blanket statement here, but I would say firearm owners are the most respectful. They're the safest people you could possibly be around. Yeah, you might get that one crazy outlier, sure, but generally speaking, people who own firearms, they're going to be the safest people you could you could possibly be around. Oh yeah, yeah, because well, once again, it changes that dynamic. Is that you know, when you're a young hothead and want to go around picking fights with people, Well, if you're carrying a gun, it changes that. It does, you know, because it because now every encounter can. Pass lethal security program on spreadsheets, new regulations piling up, and audit dread. It's time for Vanta. Vanta automates security and compliance, brings evidence into one place, and cuts audit prep by eighty two percent. Less manual work, clear visibility, faster deals, zero chaos. Call it compliance or call it calmpliance. Get it. Join the fifteen thousand companies using Vanta to prove trust. Go to Vanta dot com slash calm. 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Yeah, you know, even if it was a verbal altercation because you got somebody off in traffic when there wasn't a gun involved, you know, if he doesn't have one, well you have one now. So and that doesn't necessarily always put you at an advantage. But the point is that you're bringing a gun to every situation you're in at that point. Yeah, and maybe it's just understanding who you are, your personality type. Like I'm a pretty calm guy. I can pretty much walk around with a firearm and anywhere I'm going, any situation, and my initial react is not going to be to pull that thing. Now, if you're a hothead that is constantly getting in arguments and road raging now like traffic, maybe leaving the firearm at home, maybe that's a better idea. So we've got a heartbreak here, but we're gonna come back. We're going to continue this conversation, and I'm definitely gonna plug your website on the when we return here. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caleb Call. You're with Church and State. 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Now, German rude is not a hard name to say, and take it from me, somebody who butchers last names constantly, and Chris can attest to this, But Adam, how do you spell your name? It's h J E R M E N r U D so German rud. Yeah, and clearly. I mean when I look at d, I just I know right away that there's German rude. Uh no, HJ, What is going on here? Uh? It doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah. When I'm in the doctor's office in the waiting room and they just walk in and they say Adam, and I'm like, yeah, that's that's me right here. Don't even bother. At least with my last name. Call your A lot of people attempt to make that French and being an American. I just I automatically get angry when some people think I'm French. Like you know, I think that's just part of American culture. It's in our blood line. We don't want to be called French. So at least you don't have to deal with that. No, no, but it was funny. We were at West Virginia, I think, at a shooting class and some friends of mine. I got to the hotel to check in and it was the last names were Barnes, Father, Yoshioka, Clatle, Smith, German, Rude and Foster and Foster, and with every one of them, the woman that was working the desk, just each name was worse than the last. It was hilarious. I love it absolutely, Yeah, I love that. That's funny. Before we go back to your website, I want to talk about something else that I think is going to interest the audience here. You're you're a caver. You go in and explore caves, and not just like the ones that tourists are doing where it's pretty massive. You're looking up, it's well lighted and everything. They're bringing importable lights and things, and you're looking at the stalagmites and all that stuff. You're going into some situations that it might be a little confined. Is that is that appropriate to say? Yeah, that's true. I mean they're not all that confined. I think i'd showed you some pictures and shot show and uh, yeah, there's some small spots, but there's also big hit cave there as well. Now, Kentucky, actually memory serves me correctly, has has is it Kentucky or Tennessee. It has the biggest cave structure in America. So Kentucky has the longest cave in the world, which is Mammoth Cave. Tennessee may have speed in the number of cave sure, but yet they're they're formed a little differently. So here ours are longer, and in Tennessee theres are generally deeper. There's generally form kind of up and down in ours form horizontally. Gotcha. Yeah. So my question is how did you even get involved in any You know, you just one day decided to go out and start exploring caves. Well, so when we bought our house, it was hooked to a well at the neighbors and I had the well company come out and drill well. And when they did, they hit a cave and they said, you know, it's at least as wide as a drill head, but you know it's only like a six inch hole. And they said that it's like twelve fourteen feet tall, and so that got my wheels into motion of well, there's all these sinkholes around here. I wonder how we get in this cave. And so yeah, start doing that, started digging around and poking in the sink holes. And years ago I used to do some rock climbing things with my father and I did some rope rescue stuff on the fire department, and so being on rope and doing vertical caving repelling down into these things became kind of the next evolution of it. And yeah, so now here I am got involved with the Cave Research Foundation and so I volunteered there. We do the mapping and exploration in Mammoth Cave and the surrounding area. Wow, that's pretty incredible. I've had the opportunity. In fact, my wife and I were just in Colorado Springs and they have some some pretty cool caves in there as well, kind of up into the mountains as you're going up towards what's the peak there regardless anyway, But yeah, I mean, it really is cool to go in and explore these caves and to see I mean as a Christian, you know, just looking at that, marveling at something that God created that a lot of people never take the opportunity to go and see. So, I mean, I definitely appreciate a cave, probably not as much as you do, and maybe some there's some areas there I'm like, I wouldn't go into that. I've watched some videos of some people that are literally going into these things and they don't even know where the cave's coming out at, and they're getting into some things where they're like twisting their bodies and all sorts of weird directions to get through this thing. I don't know if i'd go that far personally. Well, that's how you find the new stuff, though, that's how you get the places nobody's ever been before. Yeah, or die or die. And that's your final resting place. Yeah. So well you can't get very deeper for cheaper. So that's definitely one way you're looking at it for sure. Yeah, the body's just there, we're just gonna leave it, Okay. Well, I also want I want to bring go back to glock triggers, and I want to bring up the website glocktriggers dot com. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, go check this out. I know a lot of you are glock owners, and sure, why not improve upon it? Like trigger pole is something that's so important. I didn't even realize I gotta tell you, Adam until because being a sig guy and then I went to a gun show and purchased that STI and just the stock trigger pole on that versus the sig was incredible. I mean, I'm assuming you've probably had the opportunity to shoot STI stacados. Uh. Oh, yeah, that trigger pole is pretty nice on those. It is. It's great. Yeah, and it's you know, it's kind of funny because that's a common comparison that people make between are triggers or just glock triggers in general. Nineteen eleven because nineteen eleven or twenty eleven now is kind of the pinnacle of trigger pull, which it's a single action handgun, and to run through that real fast. Single action essentially means when we pull the trigger does one thing, which is release the hammer. With double action, when you pull the trigger, it actually cocks the hammer striker and then releases it. So that's the two actions. So glocks are essentially double action handguns. When you pull the trigger, you're actually cocking the striker, drawing it back like a bow and arrow, and then releasing it. So you can never really get there with any striker fired handgun. You can never get to that point where it's as nice as a nineteen eleven, but you can get close, and so we try to get as close as possible by reducing travel and making it a smoother take up, a cleaner break. Yeah, well, I love that. If I had a glock, I would be buying one of your triggers, that's for sure. I don't, but eventually I probably will. Because guns are like tattoos, you get one any multiple more of them out. Yeah. Yeah, our trigger is a good reason to. Yeah, one hundred percent. I stand by that as well. I gotta tell you, I love when like the ATF, which, by the way, they did have a booth at shot Show. They were very, very popular. A lot of a lot of one finger salutes, uh with those guys. But I love when the ATF will go and raid somebody and they'll take all their ammunition and all their firearms, and they'll put it out on the lawn and then I'll take a picture of it, and the news will always say like stockpile of weapons found. And every single time they do this, I'm like, those are rookie numbers, Like, yeah, I hope they never made me, you. Know, Oh yeah, because there was one of those where they had twenty two. They had like a couple of bricks of twenty two l R. And I mean, lord, they raided me. What would they think then I'm going to take over a small country? I mean. Or you know, it's not yeah exactly. You know you mentioned prepping earlier. You know, it's not even so much for that. It's that sometimes you've got to buy them, but when it's cheap and it's easier to just buy it by the case and store it, and then when it's expensive or hard to find them, you have it. So having a few thousand rounds for your rifle doesn't mean that you're some kind of crazy person. It just means you're shop in bulk. It's kind of like Sam's Club. Yeah, and Adam, you and I are are probably with the same ilk here, but hanging out with the guys like I don't really want to go wine tasting with the guys. I mean maybe that's just me, but you know, like wine tasting with the guys. Yeah, it seems a little feminine. Stop it, stop at Caleb, you're being rude. I'm sorry, but this is not something I want to do, like going out to the coffee shop. I mean, I like coffee. But guys, when we get together, we want to go to the range and we want to shoot and it's just fun. And if you're gonna go to the range, guess what you need to get a lot of ammunition? Yeah right, it's very sure, pretty simple, right, yeah, yeah, And it really is a ma that that is even a thing, although I can say that here I said, I'm in a rural area and it's kind of funny. I had gone in there. We were having I think it might have been fourth of July or something like that, and we were shooting clays. So I went and bought, you know, a couple of cases of twelve gay jamo just for shooting quay birds. And then I went in a couple of days later to get I think it was paint Thinner, and they asked me for ID for the paint center, but not for like five hundred shotguns. I thought that was kind of silly. Yeah, it is a little bit, although Kentucky does have a meth problem if memory serves me correctly, right, Yeah, so I mean maybe it's that yeah, but un so. Yeah. Returning back to your website, glock Triggers dot com, Uh, there's a lot of stuff. And actually, oh, I'm glad I saw this installation because this is gonna be a question that a lot of the audience is going to have. How easy is it to install something like this? Is am I going to need to go to a gunsmith to get this installed? Or is this something I can do from home? So it needs to be someone who's competent in the safeties of glockhang and that knows how to test it, knows how to take it apart. It's really pretty simple though. You can see that at you you've got the video up on screen. There there is an installation video. We'll be releasing one here soon for the generation six because it's a little different. But no, it's a complete drop in set. Most of our triggers are complete drop in sets, where you take the pins out, you take the guts out of the gun, you put our guts in, put it back together, and there's no adjustment, there's no fitting, there's no filing, no fiddling with it. You can just drop it in and take through the range. Oh okay, Well, I knew that there was going to be a question for the audience. How hard is this to do? Most people who are pretty proficient with firearms, they know how to take them apart. But I would recommend that, you know, to make sure that you don't have a catastrophic accident, make sure this is installed correctly. And I'm sure Adam would sell you the same thing, all right. So if people want to order it, they're just going to block Triggers dot com. And there's a lot of different products that I can see on here, Chris, if you can bring up the different products that they have, but you can, they can contact you. You can read about them frequently, ask questions. Nice website. But as far as the products go, I see you got the like optics, you got ammunition, you got holsters, you got you got a lot of different stuff out here. Yeah, and our you know, of course our main thing because we manufacture the glock triggers line, but yeah, the other other items on the website are pretty much feeling needs of our customers. That way, you can, you know, come to our website if you need a trigger and an optic or holster, you can get all in the same place. Yeah. I like that. Let me ask you this as well, because now I'm old school. Like I said in Marine Veteran, I was taught on iron sites, and I advocate for everybody to be trained on iron sites. But there's a lot with the optics. They've certainly made them to where it's almost impossible to miss. But would you echo me in encouraging everybody to be proficient with just your standard sites and then maybe play around with the red dots and all that kind of stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely, So I'm a little torn on them as well. And I was actually a bit of a luddite where I wasn't. I was a late convert because I said, well, I've got my iron sights and they're just fine. Why do I need something different that takes batteries, it contains glass that it can possibly be broken. But then I got a gun with an optic on it, and I will admit they're pretty nice. One of the biggest advantages to use an optic on a pistol is that you can remain target focused. So with iron sights, you've got to have a sharp front site picture or I'm sorry, you're focused being sharp on the front site. Have a blurry rear sight and a blurry target, which doesn't allow you to very effectively look at the target the moment that you're breaking the shot. But with red dots it does, and they I can't remember who did, trying to remember who that was that did a study on that. With law enforcement, there were some law enforcement agencies that were going from iron sight pistols over to red dots systems and immediately their scores went up because they could look at the target. I've also noticed shooting distance, not that you generally have a need to shoot a handgun that far, but at twenty five fifty yards, the front site takes up a lot of real estate in your field of view on a small target at that distance. So it's nice with the red dot site, especially if you have to hold over for some reason. You know, once again we're talking about shooting pretty far with a handgun, but you know, defensively, when you think about it, if you're in a shopping mall or a place like that, you may have some long shots and the guy that you're shooting at may have ale. So not that I advocate necessarily focusing your practice on shooting distance, but you should know how to do it. Sure, I've done some training where we were I think we were going out to seventy five yards and it's pretty hard. Like you, you really got to be focused to be able to put some accurate rounds down range at seventy five yards with a pistol. But yeah, no, training is going to obviously be essential. And I'm not coming out and saying like, don't don't get any optics, like you're right, But I'm just saying, if you have an equipment failure, you should at least know how to use iron sights, because you might have a fancy gun that's not really worth much if you can't aim it. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and they but yeah, they are nice. I mean I can't say that they do have their their cons, you know, because if you were to fall down and stuff the emitter in the back of the you know, if it's an open emitter full of mud or ice or what have you, there's a chance it may not work, you know, and without tools, you can't take it off and then you can't see through it, you know. So there's always disadvantages to everything. But but I can say that if you maintain your things pretty well and you store them properly, that yeah, they're they're pretty nice. And also you mentioned training. Another place where I don't see them being great is if you're the kind of guy that doesn't shoot very often, you know, if you go to the range once a year or something like that, but you keep it in a safe at home for home protection. Sometimes the dot's hard to find if you haven't been training with it. So don't expect to have not even looked at your gun for eight months and then snatch it out of the safe because you heard glass breaking at night and expect to feel to really effectively use it. Now, with iron sights, generally it's a little more intuitive. So that's you know, it's another aspect of it. Well, I don't know, Adam. For my home defense plan is I take a page out of what Joe Biden said. Anybody breaks into my house, I just grab the scatter gun and shoot two rounds or two shots right into the air. Scares them away. Joe Biden recommended that, Yeah, you wouldn't get arrested for doing something like that at all. Obviously, I'm kidding ladies and gentlemen. So I'm going to go back to the website here, Adam glock Triggers dot Com. We're coming down to the end of the show, but I want everybody to go to this website to bookmarket and especially if you have a glock, and get one of these triggers, because that trigger pole is essential to making sure that you're accurate with your firearm, that you're putting good rounds down range. And Adam, I'll give you any last words for the audience here. Yeah, well, that's actually an excellent point that you just made about the importance of the trigger because you know, if you think about the trigger is the interface between the operator and the machine. You know, it's the thing that you pull to command fire out of the gun. And it also is integral to the reliability of the gun as well. And so by using factory parts you get a custom trigger pole with factory reliability. I like it right there. All right, Well, Adam, it's been a pleasure having you on. I'm gonna go ahead and close this out. If you'll hold on one more minute post production and Saarah goodbyes. I'd appreciate it. But again, awesome having you on, awesome getting to know you. I'm assuming you'll be at the shot show again and look forward to hanging out with you. And also if I get to Kentucky, which I do, I want. I want to get to Kentucky. It's a I've seen it beautiful state on the pictures. I also have the goal of visiting every single one of the states in the Union. I'm about thirty, so I need to I need to step it up a little bit. But I want to go to the Creation Museum. I want to I want to go into that the Mammoth Cave. Is that what you said? And then now I can hang out with a buddy too as well. So three reasons for real to get to Kentucky. Yeah, when you go up to coming to go to the Arc Experience. Yes, yep, I need to. See that, the big, huge, life sized arc. It's pretty Oh yeah, yeah that. I've actually interviewed doctor ken Hamm before on the on this program and yeah, so he's it's definitely worth visiting right there. So yeah, So thanks thanks again Adam for joining us and I'm going to gohe and close U out. But again, awesome, awesome times with you. Thanks for having Yeah. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. Glock Triggers dot Com. I want everyone on the show that watches the show. I want a number of things right. I want you to have good theology. I want you to question things politically, not get involved in wars and things like that. But I also want you to prep and I want you to have the best equipment out there. And glock Triggers is something that I highly recommend for anyone who is walking around concealed carry having it for home defense. Get a good trigger poll and these guys are the best. Church and State is brought to you in part by Colonial Left, Spokane Independent Agents, Finders Insurance, and Mark three to seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to the five. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with the Church and State podcast. 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