Church & State: Is CPAC Fake and Gay

Spocan Valley could become a sanctuary city. A perousman, Caleb Collier says that this I'm. Proposing that the City of Spokane Valley issue of proclamation stating that our city is a second ammage sanctuary. Welcome to the fire today on Church and State is seapack fake and gay? Hello Christian patriots, and welcome to Church and State, where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Callier, once again, your favorite far right shock jock and the show that talks about politics and religion. Jesus Christ is our referee, so it's always nice and clean. Now, per the normal. You are going to go to Church and State, not media. So you can see all the amazing things we're doing on our website. That's right, number one. That annoying pop up hits right away. Register ladies and gentlemen so you can get our newsletter and all. So I'm gonna call you. That's right. You can ask me questions about why I'm comfortable saying seapac is fake and gay. This show may not be for nrb TV. I'm just I'm just going out on a limb here, Chris, Yeah, might make of that. Okay, that might be the case here, but you do you want to you want to be able to have a good conversation with me, and here's your opportunity right here. While you're there, Also check out some of our latest episodes. We've been really hitting it hard. The censorship Agenda. That is a phenomenal show. I was actually listening to it a little bit and I was like, I made some really good points there, like as I'm looking in the mirror, like, Caleb, you got it going on? That's right. Now. Please check them out. They're really really good stuff. And also check out some of the future guests that we've had over the years, some delightful individuals. Of course, Ron Paul is always going to be my personal favorite. It can take a lot, Chris for somebody to like unseat Ron Paul, don't you think. Yeah, that's that's a tough tough one to talk. Yeah. Ron Paul was amazing. So maybe we'll get Trump on here. I don't know that. That doesn't even really top. I don't think Trump would get on here with how many times I've gone after him. No, we did that bit, Come on, we're huge. We had Eric Trump. There you go. We got a Trump on here. So there. It is also proves to some of the great affiliates, and of course I'm going to talk about one of those a little bit later, but it does get you some needful items, and of course does help support us here at Church and State staying on great great stuff like NRBTV, a Prepper Broadcasting Network, newscasters OBBM, and potentially more. There's actually three different radio stations slash syndications that are all interested in what we're doing here, Chris and I at Church and State. 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First off, I got to point out I got a new shirt, Chris, Yes, Brondo. That's right, it's got electrolytes. Very nah, it does says the thirst Mutilator down below two. They can't really read that part. But obviously Idiocracy phenomenal language warning movie. But great, great documentary that wasn't supposed to be a documentary. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, just go look up Brondo because we're kind of living it. We're kind of living it, Chris. We're drinking Gatorade, not Brondeo. But yeah, it's got electrolytes. All right, real quick, before I get into the main topic, and really I'm going to focus entirely on that, but I did want to bring up one story that I think is pretty important. Bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson. New court filing claims this is coming from the name Daily Mail, ladies and gentlemen. This isn't some obscure little article written by an organization that you don't know who they are. This isn't some Twitter feed somebody claiming something. I actually had somebody email me a YouTube video and it looked official, but it was Obama was finally arrested. And I'm looking at it and I mean, it's Carolyn Levitt, and I'm like, this isn't right. So I look it up. Sure enough, Obama was not arrested. But I'm telling you, the AI deep fakes are getting crazy. This is none of that, all right, And it goes to talk or really explain what so many of people like me, Candice Owens, Tucker Carlson, all these individuals, and really many of you ladies and gentlemen who just don't believe the garbage story that was told about the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I really really get angry at the individuals, especially those two Yahoo's Chris who have taken over the Charlie Kirk Show. Have you watch these guys? Did Charlie Kirk Show still on? It's still on? Yeah? Oh yeah. And these two guys, I mean they're literally they're begging their audience to stop investigating. Like, how do you know you're on the wrong side of things when you beg people to stop investigating? I mean, I say it on the show all the time. Don't believe me, do your own research, do your own work. I don't want you to believe me. I want to breed independent thinkers. But these guys are over here, like stop. I know you all think you're investigative journalists, but please let the experts handle it. No, the experts light to us constantly, So I just I get really angry about that. But now the lawyers for Tyler Robinson have actually introduced a claim, a filing claim to the courts. They say that the bullet doesn't match, that the bullet that they removed during autopsy does not match the thirty six that Tyler supposedly stole from his grandfather. That changes everything, That absolutely changes everything I've told you before on this show. I think it was the mic pack. I think that makes the most sense out of all the explanations that I've seen, that it was the mic pack that was packed with explosives, a directional explosive charge, and I think it was actually supposed to blow a much larger hole into him. But I think there was a mistake and malfunctioned and ultimately he was a piece of shrapnel got him in the neck. And this is why you can see so many it was really odd behavior from some of the security personnel there. They jump on him, they start removing things, they remove the cameras, and of course they pour a whole bunch of cement over the crime scene, which really makes a whole lot of sense also. But I think as this thing goes to court, if they allow the public to see it, if something doesn't happen to Tyler Robinson, I think what we're going to see is that their official narrative does not add up. And I want the truth. I don't want to be right, I want the truth. I think it would be much easier, much easier for us to come to the conclusion through the evidence that yeah, this guy who was sick in the head, who was an enemy of conservatism, decided to take a shot at Charlie Kirk. That's a whole lot easier to understand, to get to. But to realize that there's a vast conspiracy here, that there were players at high levels within our own government, within foreign governments that might have had a hand in the death of one of the most beloved Christian conservatives that I can think of, that's a harder position to come to. It's a harder realization that your government is clearly the enemy. But I'm with the truth and I don't care where it leads me. I don't care if the truth hurts, because we're owed that, and Charlie's owed that his family is owed that this cover up has got to end and has to And if it has proven that Tyler Robinson is in fact innocent, that he was a patsy, we owe him, we owe his family and apology. And also, and this is going to sound strange, but I would I would encourage the audience to pray for his protection right now. Pray for Tyler Robinson's protection, because we've got to get the truth. We've got to get it out there. With that, let's move on and let's talk about the title of the show is Seapac fake and gay. You know, I went into here with a little bit of eyes wide open, okay, And I knew that I was going into an event that I probably would have some disagreements with, But I didn't expect this. I didn't expect it to be like this. And I've got quite the tale to tell now. First, many many of the people that were at SEAPAC were amazing. There was some great connections, and I was there not only as a journalist for Church and State, but I was also working for Mark three seven dot com selling ghost phones, and we made so many great connections. Even a new affiliate. Actually, Chris, this is an exciting one. We are going to be an affiliate for a cigar company. Aren't you excited for this? And this guy was amazing, probably one of the biggest greatest historians I've ever met. He literally went through He's got like a Washington lineup presidential line or Washington General's lineup presidential lineup, and he actually like picked the blend the tobacco, how it would taste according to the personalities of these individuals. So like he actually gave me a Patrick Henry cigar. It was awesome, It was great with Washington's generals. He actually he included all the generals that contributed to this great revolution, including Benedict Donald, because he's like, how can I not Benedict Donald, honestly, before he became a trader, did amazing things for this, you know, well what become what became these United States. But he's like, he's a trader. So what he did is he put his his portrait upside down on the cigar. Look, it was brilliant, so great connections there and some great people as well. Like there truly was some amazing people there. It was also filled with more Iranians than I've ever seen in my life. Like I literally turned, yeah, I literally turned to my crew, my coworkers, and said, apparently the right also has their own crisis actors. They were they were they were allowed bunch, They get pretty rowdy, and they were US. They were chatting the usas and they were all supportive of Donald Trump and the war. The Shaw of Iran was there as well, so they were really pushing this. They had flags lining the street and all over the facility that were Most of them were US and Iranian Right, but there were a few out there that really gave me pause. There was a couple of flags that had three flags on it, three nations represented on it, the United States, Iran, in Israel, and I was like, how does that work? That's interesting, But that was definitely part of the agenda, is pushing the Iran war. They actually ran polls at Sea pac talking about do you support the Iranian war? And unfortunately, the vast majority of the people that were in attendance, if you are to believe the numbers, they are very supportive of the Iranian war. It puts me at odds with people like that. But it was also very gay. There was a number of trainees Chris Tranny's a seapack walking around men dressed like normal men but in high heels. Very strange behavior to see. And I looked something up, something that should disturb the vast majority of the audience here, Grinder. You're all familiar with Grinder? Well, if you're not, I don't throw stones at you. It's probably a good thing you're not familiar with the Grinder. But Grinder, which is a literal homosexual hookup app it experienced severe out outages, severe outages and problems in Texas during Seapack, specifically around the Grapevine DFW area. That's where Seapack twenty twenty six was held, and in fact the hotel which was probably the most impressive hotel I've ever been at, but it was called the Gay Lord. Chris Yeah, whoa So. Multiple social media posts, Facebook threads, updates, an online commentary from March twenty seventh through twenty eighth, twenty twenty six, describe grinders severe crashing or becoming overloaded under heavy local traffic. As Sefpack began at the Gaylord Texan resort in Grapevine, Texas. Post use phrases like grinder severe crashes again under heavy load, severe outages in Texas during Seapack grinders, yeah, grinder servers, they were unable to accommodate the vast majority of Republicans at Seapack who were looking to hook up with the same sex. Is that not disturbing? Is that? Does that not explain why I would say Seapack was gay? These are the people they're closeted. Like I'll say this, at least the Democrats are honest, like they are very very open about really all of their sin. We're just putting all the cards on the table. But on these specific issues. They welcome it, they're happy about it. But so many within the Republican Party what do they do? They covered up. Many of are married, they have a beard, and by beard, I mean they have a wife. But when they go to events like this, they get on grinder and they're trying to hook up and it's disgusting and it goes to prove that the Unit Party really does exist because they got great talking point. Sure they do, but then what in reality, they're no different, And that's what's supposed to set us apart. We're supposed to be Christians, we're supposed to be conservatives, we're supposed to be Republicans, we're supposed to be for what is moral. But in reality, they just hiding it. They just hiden their sin. And look, we hide sin. We all have our areas where we sin. And I'm not coming out here and saying you homosexuals are evil and deserve death. I'm not that guy. But it's just another sin. The same as lust for the for the opposite sex, the same as gambling, the same as drug addiction. They're all sins that separate you from God. And what you need at the end of the day is to acknowledge that I am a horrible sinner. There is no good in me without Christ, Lord, help me with this, Help me with this problem. Accountability and going and confessing your sins. That's what it's about. But they're not doing that, are they. No, they're covering it up. Heiden see Peck was in fact. Okay. We also had some phenomenal speakers there. Now. One of them, Chris was RFK Jr. Okay, I still don't trust him entirely, but he's a little bit better. They also had the new Director of Health and Human Services, and his entire speech was all about how we need to open up the free market for big pharma. Yeah, so that we can start experimenting with drugs and vaccines. How do we experiment with him by seeing if they can treat other ailments. That's what his entire speech was about, like there are drugs out there. He was talking about the shingles vaccine, which he took. He made sure to tell everybody, I took the shingles vaccine. I expected some booze, none a single. Boo Where did he take it? Yeah, But he was saying that the shingles vaccine, they're doing experiments right now to see because there's some compelling evidence to suggest that it might also be useful in the treatment of certain blood cancers like multiple miloma. You realize what that means, ladies and gentlemen. That means they're taking advantage of individuals. They'll tell you there's no there's no human studies going on right now. Well, then how did you get to this point? Sure they might be experimenting on rats, but the reality is they experiment on human beings and they're taking advantage of people who are desperate. Hey, let's give you this shingles vaccine and see what it does. Oh, look at that it reduced the amount of cancer cells in your blood. And look, I'm all for innovation, but you need to go and do anything with informed and if you ultimately make that decision, yes, I want to be a lab rat. I want to be experiment Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that it's come to this. I would tell you look at some alternative treatments, but with big farm, a big med in control, you don't see those options. Instead, you get something like apricot seeds being made illegal, me getting banned off of YouTube, I got Prepper Broadcasting Network in trouble because I was talking about apricot seeds for the treatment of cancer. Apricot seeds natural, but not in these United States. No, no, no, no, you can't talk about that. Instead, let's radiate your body, let's chemo wash your organs. But this is the kind of stuff that Health and Human Services talking about. And we also had Ted Cruz. I just love Ted Cruz. That's probably not the word I would choose. I know, I know. Ted Cruz. What an interesting guy, you know. He he supposedly represents the lone Star state, right, Chrispin, is that accurate? He's representing the people of Texas, the lone Star state. That sounds right. I would actually argue that he does represent the lone Star state. But it's not the flag of Texas. It's the flag of Israel. Oh that's star. Yeah, that star. But his speech was rather interesting because he's so puffed up. He loves to tell you about himself, and his entire speech was me, I this is what I accomplished. And he just had so many applause. Everybody's just so excited to see Ted Cruz. But in the beginning of a speech, he talked about socialism, sucks. Borrowing from Charlie Kirk, how bad socialism is, how bad communism is. He of course brings up his card. He loves to bring this card out. My father Cuban refugee, Right, so I know in my family that communism and socialism sucks. Well, I agree with that. But in the same breath, in the same speech, he also was talking about some of the bills that he's written. He's written in Okay, when it came down to the legislative process, he's the guy that got a school choice. Now everybody conservative is included, especially at which say conservatives are very excited about school choice because the money follows the kid. Right, we can decide if we want to put our kids in private school, and we don't have to know we no longer have to pay for public education. It's going to be a great benefit to us. But the hidden that nobody talks about. I've certainly talked about it on the show many of times. I've had many guests who are better educated than me talking about this. You realize that's a back door for the government into every single institution, every single school. So now the government can come in and say, well, the money's following the kid. So, hey, private school, you're gonna teach this curriculum. And if you doubt me, Trump would never do that, wait till the next president, right, wait till the next Democrat comes in, and suddenly, if these schools aren't teaching what they're supposed to be teaching, don't you can close them down? All right? But yet socialism sucks. Socialism sucks. Yes, he also, and perhaps this is a better example, was saying, I also got written into law. I was the guy that brought in what is now called the Trump accounts. Not for those of you who don't know what the Trump accounts are, the government and all of its wisdom decided that they should actually start accounts for the younger kids. And it's specifically to like kids. I think it goes from twenty fifteen to now. Like it's the younger kids. But the government started accounts for all of them, government accounts, and they've dropped one thousand dollars in each one of these accounts for the children, for the children. But Chris, where did the one thousand dollars come from? Where did the government get the one thousand thousand dollars? Didn't they steal that from the parents. Oh and to really all the people, Yeah, all the people we paid into that. But Ted Cruz says socialism sucks you just in your own speech gave us two examples of bills that, according to your own words, you're the guy behind it that brought socialism into the country. So which one is it, Ted Cruz. It's time for you to take that mask off, the one you're wearing in the picture for COVID nineteen when true patriots didn't mask up at all, but also that mask of conservatism that you tend to hide behind, because in reality you're a shill, you're fake, you're a phony. And the people who really have their eyes open, who are not drinking the brondo, they got your number, Teddy, they got your number. You are fake. And I really do hope that one of these days we can wake up to the news, just like what we saw Dan Crenshaw, that old Teddy Cruz has lost an election. Bye bye, ted Bye bye. Now. I also wanted to talk about something else that I'm saving the best for last, because this was probably the worst, most egregious thing I experienced at Seapack. I met with for really the first time the opposition side. I got verbally attacked by the Jewish lobby. I tell you, I've been at a lot of events, a lot of events, but I've never experienced this before and it was wild. Now, obviously, I'm down there as a journalist, and SEAPAC has a list of all the different journalists and with a name like Church and State. I had a number of individuals who reached out, we'd love to book an interview, and I said yes, of course to all of these. I'm down there trying to get information, trying to get good, solid interviews. Interviewed Sheriff Richard Mack while he was down there, interviewed this incredible woman who used to be Brazil's most famous feminist and has now come to christ and travels the world speaking about the dangers of feminism. Fantastic interview. But I also got approached by a group something like the Christian and Jewish Coalition. And I'd actually heard this woman speaking from the stage prior to the interview. I knew I wasn't really going to agree with her. She was kind of yelling on stage how there's no room anywhere for anyone who would question Israel and their actions, and that their God's chosen people. So when it came time for the interview, and mind you, I should backtrack just a little bit. There was a great group out there who actually set up a podcasting station where it was first come, first serve. You're just put your name on there. Hey, I want to go in. They say, all right, you got spot eight o'clock wherever it is, and they had couches and everything that the camera crew took care of it all. I gave you the microphones. It was really really nice setup. And so I'm trying to get into this and we're ready to go, and so I walked up to this lady and I said, hey, I just want to let you know I don't practice ambush journalism. I really feel compelled to do that with people. It's like when I had Mark Meclaron, I don't agree with the Convention of States, and I let him know prior to him coming on the show that we're going to have a differing opinions. Well, I'll be polite, I'll be cordial. And that's exactly what I told this woman. I will be polite, I will be cordial. We'll have a good conversation. But just so you know, I believe in covenant theology. I'm not a dispensationalist, so we're going to disagree on some things. She ended up asking me a couple more questions, and I could see the discomfort written all over her face, and so she says, do you mind if I call my friend over. He's much better at answering these types of questions, So that's fine. So we had to wait another ten minutes for him to come over. Chris. She called over her handler. That's what That's what happened. She literally called over her handler. And this guy was brilliant lawyer, Josh lawyer, very well connected, and he brought a friend of his too, an older gentleman who obviously had quite a lot of money. He was a Christian. So it ended up being the three of them against me. But I read a lot, so I don't think they expected me to be as educated on the subject. Now here's the teaser. If you want to hear the rest, you're gonna have to come back. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with the Church and State podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to go to Galileo dot com. You need to stay connected no matter what comes our way, whether it's government intrusion or a meteor fallen from the sky, Galileo has you connected. As a marine veteran, I can tell you that communications is essential. Galileo has you connected. Whether it's worldwide coverage, uncensored content, or real time alerts. Galileo is going to make sure that you're connected with your friends, family, and neighbors. 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So she calls in her handler and this guy he tells me, do you mind if we just sit on the couch and just have a conversation, like or I agree to an interview. I just kind of want to understand who you are and where you're coming from. I said, sure, that's fine. I figured we'd talked for a few minutes and then boom, we'd be ready to go. And mind you, we have a guy behind the camera. He's got the MIC's ready, he's ready to go. Well, the interview never happened. We talked for over an hour until finally they were like, hey, guys, somebody else wants to come in and use this. And I actually apologize to this group. Hey, I'm so sorry. Like that was supposed to be an interview and they would not do it. They didn't want it on film. Why because this guy started quizzing me, quizzing me on my beliefs. He interrupted me quite a bit, as most lawyers do. But this is the gist of the conversation that we had. That I am anti Semitic. This is what he accused me of being an anti Semite. He's told me that if I couldn't come to the conclusion that there were two paths to God, a Jewish one and a Christian one, that if I can come to that conclusion, my theology would always be faulty. All right, Well, he asked me a question. You're gonna love this one, Chris. He asked me a question. He said, do you live in the freest country in the world. I said, that depends. I said, that depends. I said, in some ways, yes, in some ways no. He said, I am so offended at you for not believing that the United States is the freest country in the world. Do you know how many people have given everything for you to be free? I said, don't give me that. I said, I served in the United States Marine Corps. I know exactly what's at stake. And then he backed off on that. He's like, okay, you're I thank you for your service. He said, give me an example of a place you can't travel to in the United States. I said, well, I can't go to North Korea, not that I would want to, but if I did, can I travel there? Can I travel to certain locations around the world. No? Can we go to Antarctica? Chris, Mmmm, that'd be interesting. We don't touch that one, right, He said, give me an example another example of how you're not free in this country. I said, look at the international banking system that was established in nineteen thirteen that has made us literally slaves to debt. He goes, do you understand how offensive that is? I said, yeah, it is offensive. It's offensive to me and everyone else that lives in this country. You have to understand when you start talking about the banks, the Jews will consider that to be anti Semitic. I said, I didn't bring the Jews into that conversation. How is the city of London connected? Yeah, I didn't bring that in at all. You did. I'm not talking about Jewish bankers. I'm not one of those guys. I believe the banking system is controlled by numerous individuals, regardless of color or race. But you brought the Jews right into it. I said, you also have to understand something, and the victim mentality came into play here so strong. Chris. He said, when you talk about slavery, you have to understand how offensive that is to the Jewish people, because that is our history. We've been enslaved. It's in our blood, it's in our DNA. I said, don't give me that. He said, you know what the last name call your means. It means coal miner. On the Irish side of my family, we were literally sold with the mines. Okay, for like eight hundred years, the Irish were sold into slavery. I don't live in that and I don't care. Sure that's part of my history, my family's lineage. But I go on from what I can do. I don't. I don't get held back from my past or from the past of people I never even met. So don't give me the victim mentality. He tried to talk about the Messiah, and I said, but you're talking about the Machiac. Well, he didn't expect me to know about that. The woman finally joined it in the conversation. She's like, why can't you admit you worship multiple gods? Really? I worship multiple gods. How do you figure, she said, because you claim that Jesus is the son of God. I said, but he is God. How do you explain that through the Trinity? Well, what's how do you explain the Trinity? You can't guess what As a Christian people try they bring in like modalism, and we'll talk about like the clover the three leave clover right, or the form of water. But a lot of that's just modalism. The reality is the Trinity is a mystery, and as Christians we have to accept that there are certain mysteries that we will never understand until we gain access to Heaven. But I said, let's go back to the creation story, because you got to you got to bring in the Old Testament with these people. Right now, let's go back to Genesis and the creation of man. When God creates man, what does he say? He says, let us make man in our image. I looked at Lily, he said, who was he talking to? Who's the hour? She didn't have an answer for that. I burned him. The Christian man finally into this conversation because it was just so frustrating right that he just kept interrupting me and kept going back to being grafted in. And I'll address that in a minute. But I finally asked the Christian man, the older gentleman. I said, look, you're a Christian. I'm a Christian. I said, can I ask you this, what happens to a Jewish person who is living under the law and dies rejecting Jesus Christ as a savior. And he paused. He didn't really think he had an answer there. But finally he says, well, they go to Abraham's bosom. My response was, where is that in scripture? Because it's not It does not say that specifically. And then returning back to the Jewish lawyer, he just kept talking about iting grafting in. You're grafting in. You can't go after the root. Well, the root is Jesus. Okay, it's not the Jewish people. According to the scriptures, according to our collective faith as Christians, the root is Jesus. Yes, Jesus came through the Jewish lineage, but they rejected him. Not to say that they all did. There are plenty of Jewish Christians, but we want as believers, every single person to turn to Christ as their savior so he can wash you of your sins. I've said this so many times on the show. Jesus himself said, no one comes to the Father but through me. It's not but through me or unless you're part of the Jewish tribes. And I'm not even saying that God has completely finished, completely finished with the Jewish people. Now. I think God has a plan for the Jewish people. I think that in the future, especially around the end of days, God will call so many of the Jewish people to him. But it's not through Judaism, it's not through the law. The law condemns. It's Christ who saves. And even when we're looking at the grafting in, I don't deny it. The gentiles were grafted in. But once you're grafted in, you're part of that plant. And at that point can that plant separate again and grow in two different directions? Now it kills the plant. Yeah, we're grafted in, and the direction the plant grows is to Jesus, not to the law. It's pretty clear. I just want to also, I'm going to bring in another scripture reference here, because I think this is important. I'm going to Hebrews eight Hebrews eight thirteen in speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Ladies and gentlemen, Search the scriptures on this. Search them and you will find scripture after scripture. I mean, Paul, just examine Paul. If anyone wanted there to be an out for the Jewish people, it should have been Paul. But Paul wept. He wept over the fact that the Jewish people had rejected Christ the Savior. Ultimately, this conversation went nowhere. Like I said, I was polite, I was cordial. They were not so much. They let me know that they were deeply offended. Matt Gates was there and Bannon was there. Hey, both of these guys have taken some rather strong anti Zionist stances, and they let me know how upset they were with SEAPACK and that they were going to be talking to the leadership of SEAPAC about who gets invited. These people had money, they had poll okay, and I'm sure I just made a list. I'm sure I have made a list, and they're probably watching making sure I don't know gain too much fame come at me. I'm going to be preaching the truth. I'm going to be saying what is true, what is biblically accurate, what is our Christian faith? And if you say then I'm participating in replacement theology, I'm going to spin that over onto you. Because a dispensationalist who claims that people who believe in covenant theology is actually practicing replacement theology, well you got it, skewed, ladies and gentlemen, because if you really want to talk about replacement theology, it's the dispensationalists, because they have replaced what the Church taught for centuries that it was about the church, that the church those who believe in Christ Jesus, they are in fact God's true and people. So that's my take on Seapack. I asked the question in the beginning is seapack fake and gay? And then closing the show, I'll give you my answer. Yes, Seapack was indeed fake and gay. Church and State is brought to you imparted by colonialized Spokane Independent Agents, Finders Insurance and Mark three seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to the fire. Hey, this is Caleb Collier and I know you're excited for the Church and State podcast. 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