Church & State -Natalie Poulson is a Mother on a Mission

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But she's been a warrior, just an incredible person, has worked behind the scenes in politics, has ran for political office and today you're joining us because you were running once again. I am that was quite the intro. Thank you absolutely well. I mean it's easy when I know you. I don't have to read it or anything. It's just like, yes, I know this woman, and you know I should mention also you're just an incredible woman of God as well, which I really do appreciate. And I think that has to be the focal point, especially when you get into something as nasty as politics. I call it the lions den. So I definitely have to have God going with me. Absolutely the line of Judah. As you go into the lines, then you're going for something that's it's a hard fight. You're going for the third, it's a tough one. I call it the little blue dot in a sea of red. Eastern Washington is pretty red except for Spokane. Yeah, you got that. That's the truth. Walla, Walla. Maybe a little bit of the college communities Pollman's got a little bit of blue going there. But yes, the South Hill in particular for Spokane is a very blue area, which is kind of a shame because it's so beautiful up there. It is beautiful, and as you go towards downtown, it definitely gets more and more blue. And of course they took the chunk out right there, the Hilliard area, because you know, they had to make sure they jerrymandered the border just right. Of course, that's what they always do. Now, you're running on a number of principles, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would assume that you want to see some economic benefits for you know, the Spokane area. We're in a position here because because of the legislative practices that have that have occurred in Olympia being so close to Idaho, we're losing a lot of people. We're losing a lot of business here, and I'm sure you want to fight that. Absolutely, I've been here my entire life, so Spokane is at the heart and soul of me. And it's become unaffordable. The entire state has become unaffordable. But obviously I'll be representing Spokane and unsafe. And we're producing children out of public education that high graduation rate, but they can't read or do math or science. The statistics are still very poor. And that's not on teachers. I always want to make sure I make that distinction. It is about the system, the institution. We have some incredible teachers and they do the very best that they can. Yeah, I would agree with that. You know, the public school system has just got worse and worse and worse. On the show oftentimes talking about get your kids out if you can. But yes, we need to correct so many of the things within our state. And it's arts really if we can get good people elected to push back against Olympia. Now, I understand, ladies and gentlemen, that we live in a very blue state and you know right now we have quite the minority of Republicans in the House as we do in it. So if we could get you know, especially an area that the Democrats just view as this is a shoe in If we could get somebody good in there, man, it could have dramatic effects for Washington. So this particular seat has not been an open seat since nineteen ninety six, that's how long it's been held. And then the last Republican elected was actually in nineteen eighty and she's served nineteen eighty one to eighty three. So my big thing is stop voting for your own struggle. Things are not getting better, so let's try some change. And I'm that change. Yeah, so this is tim Ormsby has given up his seat, correct, And so this is where you're trying to get into. And Tim Ormsby has always been a real interesting character to me. I love a guy who's supposedly working on the state budget and then goes to a bar and gets drunk and then rolls his jeep while drunk and nothing happens. You think we might have some problems with our state budget when a guy is drinking and rolling his vehicle while working. On it and he's representing the third and nobody seemed to have a problem with that. So it's definitely a concern. Yeah, if you don't believe me. It's in the papers, guys, look it up. It's right there. I'm not making stuff up. So you will have an opponent by the name of Luke Jackson the third. It's actually Jasmine and Luke Jasmine luc Luke Jasmine. And there's two other Democrats in the race. So right now there's four of us, three Democrats, and myself is the only Republican. Okay, the front runner is definitely Luke Jasmine, so that is who will probably make it through to the general Okay. Now, Luke Jasmine the third. Not to be confused with his father, but there's some interesting things going on around that the family circle as it were. There definitely is so apparently father Luke Jasmine, so don't confuse the two. But apparently he sits on the Washington State Human Rights Commission. He's also a pastor in Spokane, and there was a video release that was recorded back in March of him spewing and mocking hate for the Jewish community, so very anti Semitism, and he put out a statement that said, oh, I didn't mean it, well, I was just sent a second video recorded in April of the same type of things. So it's obviously something he believes in, so it's very unfortunate. And then my opponent Luke Jasmine made a statement in the same article of them saying no, no, no, we don't have any problem with the Jewish people, says that it's not fair to say that Hamas is a terrorist group. It's a rather interesting statement now on this show. And you know, this is just me, but I'll go after any country because I like freedom and and I don't want to be an endless wars constantly. But you know, we shouldn't be attacking a specific people group no matter how you are, like, you know, racism, And I don't want to sound like some leftist or anything, but really racism is an antiquated idea and we beat that as our country as a whole a very long time ago. There is there pockets of it that emerged, sure there are, but the vast majority of us who love, you know, this country, we've rejected this idea that certain races are higher levels or better people. It's really a ludicrous statement to say that Hamas is not a terrorist organization really baffles my mind. That's concerning. Yeah, I mean I worked for an organization that they're really taught on the dangers of Islam, and Hamas is absolutely a terrorist organization. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they claim it themselves. Yeah. So so that's that's your option, ladies and gentlemen right there. If you live in the third you can vote for somebody who is, in my mind, well, definitely not very educated. I'm trying to worry that the best possible way here probably needs to go back to school to learn some things about some terrorist organizations, or you could pick somebody like Natalie. I'm definitely the choice the change, and I would be for all people. Unfortunately, my opponent is only for certain groups, and I don't think that's right either. We have a beautiful community within Spokane of many different cultures and they need to all be represented. Yeah, and let's talk about some of this. Because downtown and I used to work downtown and I liked it. I liked being down there. We had a vibrant restaurant anymore, I know, I know, I'm gonna get into that, but we had a vibrant restaurant scene. And I'm a bit of a self described foodie, so I liked going to these different restaurants, walking around down there, I don't go down there anymore. I don't want to go down there anymore. That the streets are filled with people on fentanyl. You can see them. They're literally like bent and like just zombies. And this is what years of Democrat control have done. Yes, every time I go down there, I should start recording it. Maybe I will do that. There is open drug use. Every time I drive through downtown Spokane, I see open drug use and prostitution. Not okay, yes, absolutely. And you know, the Democrats claim that they are the people that want to want to help the homeless, but every single time we see an area that is Democrat controlled, you see more and more homelessness. And what comes with that. With increased homelessness, You're going to see that drug use that you were talking about, prostitution because people are doing whatever they can to pay for their drug use. You're seeing more violent crimes, property crimes. And that is downtown Spokane right now. Yeah, And I'm I really want to start calling homelessness what it actually is, and it's an addiction and a mental health crisis. And yes, everything you said follows, but we have got to start looking at the addiction as the actual issue. It's not homelessness. It's addiction and mental health crisis. That's what it truly is. You're absolutely right, and in fact, to use the old adage from the movie, if you build it, they will come feel the dreams. I know for a fact, I've talked to people that work behind the scenes on this issue. There are people from all over this country that come to Washington State because of the benefits that they receive. It's almost homelessness tourism, if you will. We need to correct that, we need to fix that. And you're right, it's a lot of people that don't want responsibility. I mean, if you look at the comparisons between Catholic Charities and HRC Union Gospel Mission, there's accountability from the Union Gospel Mission and a lot of the homeless people, even me as a former EMT, they didn't want to go to UGM because they didn't want that accountability. We need to start there before we're just giving them free housing and free drugs and safe shoot up zones. Well, and here's the thing, they're real people. Everyone on the street is somebody's son, daughter, possibly father, mother, And I look at it as if it was my child, my daughter. I don't want you saying, hey, here's a clean needle, or hey, go ahead and get high and you can have a clean bed. No, I want you to tell her. No, I want you to say, hey, let me care more about you until you can care about yourself. It's time for accountability, and I'm definitely that person that will bring it. No. I absolutely love that, and I would encourage the audience, regardless of where you stand politically, to view it in that same way, because that's a beautiful way of looking at it. If your son or your daughter was homeless and on drugs and selling their bodies and engaging in property crime, you would want the best for your child. Yes, And that's really what we are. That whole adage of conservatives are just cold hearted. No, we want to clean up the streets because we care about the people that are live on them. Well. And you're a dad, and when you discipline, you're not disciplining typically to be mean. You're disciplining out of love. And it's time to show people clear boundaries and discipline and consequences for their actions. And right now we're not doing that, So we need to bring that back. I love that. In fact, my daughter, the audience can't see she's here in the room. Can you say that again that I don't disappoint and discipline my kids because I'm mad at them. It's because it's great, all out of love. YEA, Hopefully you were listening to that, dear. Let's talk about strong families and parental rights, because this is an issue in Washington State that parental rights have just gone out the window. I mean, we're the first teacher of our children, right or however you want to say it, but we were entrusted. God entrusts us with those children, and parental rights aren'alienable and we need to get back there and it will be on the ballot in November. So definitely that's a big thing. Get out the vote, and part of that is voting for parental rights and for me, but definitely making sure that we vote, and it's important to vote in the primary, but in November that parental rights is going to be on the ballot. It's such an important issue. And once again returning back to I don't care where you stand politically, left, right, independent, middle, whatever it is. You should want the best for your kid and you shouldn't want the state to have the ability to literally legally kidnap your kid and get them on puberty blockers, and that's insanity. Well, and I always think about it too. Regardless of your beliefs and what you want for your child, don't you want to walk through those serious medical issues with your child. You don't want them doing that alone. So again, left center right, you want to be that voice of reason for that child and make sure they fully understand the impact. I am right there with you on that one. And again it seems like a common sense issue to me that you would want the responsibility the parental rights, as you said that our God given you know, not by the state. The state can't come in here and say, well, we talked to your nine year old and we decided that they believe that they are different sets, and so we're going to go through the process without even informing the parent. No, you don't have that right government. And isn't that how Hitler started to control when everything happened way back when he started in the schools, and he started with government control of the schools. So people should know their history. Yeah, I mean, you're picking up something that literally every single evil best spot throughout history, throughout recorded history, has always targeted the children because they know that, you know, you give them a generation and they will control the thoughts, minds, hearts of the people. Because they targeted the youth when they were still in that age where their brain hadn't fully formed, right, they were still very impressionable. And that's exactly what's happening in our It. Is absolutely what's happening unfortunately, So it's time for change, I would agree. Let's talk about responsible accountable government. Does that exist? Like, I mean, like, is this like a unicorn? You know, like, is there such a thing as responsible in accountable government. I think it has happened, and I think we can get back to it. Unfortunately, Washington State's majority is not allowing that right now, and so we got to flip that. There's quite a few seats we need to flip. And I have high hopes for this election, especially for the third This is the first chance in over thirty years to take a seat that has been held by the other side, and they've done nothing good. So all right, let's get it. One of the things I love about you is you can handle my sarcism, my sense of humor. Here, I do want responsible government, ladies, and gentlemen, I truly do, and I believe that we have and portions of American history we have had responsible, in accountable government, but we've moved away from that, and we need to get back to this where the government does work for us. We need to be reminded of that constantly, that they're not they're not kings, they're not queens out there. No, they work for us, and if they don't represent the people, well then it is our responsibility to replace them with people who will. Yeah. And what's interesting, I don't know if you know this, Caleb, but I think you'll like it. My opponent has a nickname on his personal Facebook page, and that nickname is King Luke. So speaking of king and especially the other side that wants no kings, you know, another reason to vote for Natalie King Luke. Yeah. I fundamentally dislike that. I just got to go ahead and say that right there. No, that's not I don't I don't want kings. This is something that is in our American DNA, right, It's how we've we started. We abandoned that when Benjamin Franklin was asked, it's so famous by this woman who at this time couldn't even vote. She didn't even have that right. But she asked, what kind of government did you give us? A monarchy or a republic? Right? And his response is a republic if you can keep it, And that means that it is the responsibility of Americans. A republic as a system of government is one that requires the people to be active, to be engaged, to be informed. And we've lost that, we have, and a lot of people don't understand that in a republic the majority should not be controlling. They should still be the people controlling the government. And so people need to take that control back, but they have to understand it. They do. And here's the other thing too, And I know you know this, but I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw you a real softball. Okay. Yeah, they've convinced us we're a democracy, Natalie. Yeah, And that's where the majority can lead the minority. And people just do not understand that in a constitutional republic, that is not how it's intended. It was intended for the people to lead the government. So there's your history lesson. Yeah, it seemed pretty simple. But by the people of the people, for the people exactly. And you know, one of the other things lower taxes. You know, this is a big issue right now. A lot of Washingtonians are very upset because they passed the millionaire's tax, and those of us that have been in the game for a little while, we know it's not going to stop there. We know that it's going to continue that eventually it's going to be seven fifty or five hundred thousand. It's going to keep getting lowered until all of us are paying massive amount of taxes just to live here. Well, Bob Ferguson pretty much admitted that because he put out a post when we were collecting so many signatures and said, oh, well, I won't let it during my reign go to all the people. So you know it's intended to go to all the people. But can I also clarify for everyone listening, it's not just millionaires, and you've really got to have more of a concept of that. It is going to hit farmers and small businesses hard, and small businesses are our local economy, and so we have to understand that if you own a local business and you take a salary from that business, which duh, you're going to probably take a salary from your business. And then if your spouse also takes a salary or work somewhere. It's all that combined asset, including your assets, that they are then going to tax. That's insane. Yeah, exactly. And as the housing market increases, this comes into play here, sure does, right, because that's an asset. Ladies and gentlemen, how much is your homeworth? Oh, look at that, all of a sudden, you're creeping real close to thats not how. Much you bought it for, how much how much it's sort even though you have not sold it or gained any of that technically. Yeah, so real close here, ladies and gentlemen, all of you are going to look like millionaires on paper for the bureaucracy. Sure, you're gonna get hit. You're gonna get tax there now I know, and this is outside of your campaign, but you've mentioned that you've been part of this. There's a massive amount of people that are signing this to get this on the ballot, to get it repealed. Well, I'm actually running two initiatives in the county, actually multiple counties. I took it on because I believe in it so much so, the initiative for proof of citizenship to vote and then also to repeal the income tax. And so we will have signature gatherers out at many stores, and in addition, they will be at the Freedom con at the Gorge this weekend along with Founder's Day in Medical Lake, along with Pioneer's Day up in Elk. So just know, if you haven't signed it, find one of those spots and go and sign both initiatives is actually what I would ask. Sure, let me play Devil's advocate on this one a little bit. You know, we had thirty dollars car tabs and the people really spoke quite loudly on this one that we were pretty upset about the cost of our car tabs, and the government, in all of its wisdom, said, yeah, I know you voted this way, but we're not going to follow it. Could we see something similar to this millionaire's tax if. The people vote for it. So again, here's that get out the vote, because typically in Spokane County we have about a forty percent turnout. That's not going to get us where we need to be. So you have got to vote, and you've got to pull ten of your friends with you. You got to make it happen. So that's always my plug for get out the vote in this county, and as far as if we could get it to go through by the people, because it's an initiative of the people and it'll be on the ballot and the people vote for it. No, the language in it is extremely strong, which would allow it to uphold the constitution, because oh, did we mention that it's actually unconstitutional, So we'd like to uphold the constitution. So yeah, there's that too. I mean, it sounds like a nice idea, right upholding the constitution. And I think I've read that somewhere before. And let me even answer my own question that I asked you here. Even if the government pulls some shady business, they would never do something like that. They're very trustworthy. But it would be an eye opener to the people, I think at this point, and maybe we have to go through a little bit more pain to get where we can get some really good change to occur. I hope not. I'd like to see this ballot initiative go through and we can repeal this thing and bring back businesses to Washington State, bring back people who are moving in droves to red states. I mean where we're at, people are moving to Idaho, like it's crazy. Yeah, even if they don't move, they're still going over there to purchase things, especially gas. But we've lost what Starbucks, a big portion of Boeing. There's so many large businesses. And then just in Spokane alone, so back to voting for me, we've lost so many businesses in downtown Spokane. It really does look like zombie land in certain parts. Oh yeah, there's areas of downtown Spokane where it's literally just boarded up buildings and like you said, zombies with that fentanyl that is literally decimating people, which is so tragic to. See, especially our youth. And it's just yeah, it's devastating. So it's time for change. Ye, I would agree. Now, you've also got a number of high profile endorsements here. Can you talk a little bit about that. Well, I think I have proven myself over the last few years. I stand for integrity, I will stand for what is right even when it's hard, and a lot of these people have watched me show up to their campaigns year after year. Doorbell really support just ethical things and I have stood for against fifty five ninety nine. That's a whole nother conversation, but also just pushing the initiatives, so they know who I am, and I think it's important to reach out to those people and ask for endorsements. So sure, And one of the things that I can say about you is you have a long history of service. You are a very service oriented person, whether it was in the school districts, continued teaching through private institutions. Your work here on really the will of the people. You know, I don't even want to say like politics, but you really just put yourself out there for the will of the people and ran campaigns and balid initiatives to push back against government overreach. Yes, I have, and prior to that, I was definitely involved in community and so doing things like early head Start, advocate and serve Spokane City Reach, therapeutic recreation services, blessings and beyond. I've just always been very involved in loving my community and that has translated into more political things the last few years. But I almost like to say that I'm not political or I'm not in politics. I want biblical government. That's what I truly want. I just want biblical citizenship and that's what I'm really fighting for. Yeah, I definitely appreciate that. You know that I've taught classes on biblical citizenship before What does that mean to you? When you're looking at biblical citizenship, how the Bible applies good government, what does it really mean to you? For me, it's ethical and moral government. So it's representing people in an ethical way. It's not always about your views. I mean, obviously we're going to have some influence of our views on things, but it's really taking the time to hear other voices and then keeping that biblical view. And for those that don't know Christianity, my biblical view is ethics, integrity, kindness, and morality. We have to have some sort of morality and boundary. It can't just be I'll go back to being a parent. I can't just allow my kid to do anything. They've got to learn boundaries in order to understand how to be a productive member of society. I one hundred percent agree and was again, this applies to everyone, no matter where they stand politically. You've got to have a standard. You see some I've seen them before, parents who just are hands off totally with their children. And what do those kids end up like? Well, a lot of them in a the government. I think, Yeah, it's for me, Yeah, it's true. Except for you. For sure. Now I know you're out there, you're hitting the streets. One of the benefits of running for political office is how much you end up walking. So I imagine you're doorbelling all over the place. Yeah, I don't need to go to the gym. So we're actually starting this week, so spend a lot of time really building a team. Got some amazing young adults, which I think is important. We've got to start bringing the next generation in. We're only going to be here so long, so I've got a lot of years left, but I definitely want to bring the youth in. It's very, very important. So I have two adult children and then a ten year old, and I want to leave them something right now. They don't even feel like they could get a house. They can't even rent without roommates because it's just so unaffordable, and that's not what I want for my children. Oh absolutely, Plus you have the benefit of walking up all those hills on the South Hill. I definitely, yeah, don't need to go to the gym. I'll get all my steps in. Not only that, but you walk up a hill to get to a house, and then there's all these steps to get to the front door. So I used to deliver mail out there, so I know it well. But yeah, you're definitely getting your exercise. No need to go to the gym there. Well, we're about to hit a heartbreak here, but I want to make sure and hit the website. 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It's definitely for men. Typically it's one of the things that we enjoy. Maybe we just like stinking. I don't know. Anyway, let's go back to this conversation. You know, I do love the fact that you're running. That I can count on the fact that, Natalie, if there's a hole and people aren't going to run, and for a lot of the Republicans, they look at the third and they're like, why bother. Yes, they do. And one of the things I did in the last election is after you watch it go unopposed so many times, it's just not our republic way, and I couldn't watch it again. And so I just told myself that if nobody stepped up, that I was going to do it. And I submitted my name on the very last day at like three o'clock, the last second. I will run a good race. I will put all my efforts into it. I do think if there's ever a chance to take the seat, it is now. I do need people to step up, though, And the biggest thing is social media. We've got those young adults like I was talking about that have really stepped up. So like share post, that can be a huge benefit no matter where you're at. Just being part of my network expands. With your network, I reach more people. Absolutely it does. And yeah, and you're on the social media. Is you know that the TikTok as the kids say right there on the bed. I just got my tutorial on TikTok, So I'm trying. I'm trying. I know I'm on that too, and it's like I don't know, Like I hate social media as a whole, but you got to be on there. I absolutely understand that. Let me ask you this, as I'm going to put on a different hat, Chris, can you hit me that Biden Rainbow president hat? Know, I'm kidding, I'm not going to actually wear it. But as a Democrat, why would I want to vote for you? Well, I would assume that, regardless of where you consider yourself on the political spectrum, that you have to see that Spokane and Washington, obviously Washington State in general, has become unaffordable along with unsafe. You cannot tell me that you can just go anywhere and think that you're safe. I walk around downtown Spokane and I will encounter somebody having an episode of some sort or somebody doing open drug use, and if I have my ten year old with me, that is unacceptable. So that's why I think that you should vote for me, is that it's time for change. Stop voting for your own struggle. I'll give you a perfect example. In the nineties, we pushed for natural gas, right that was the big deal. Everybody needed to move to natural gas. Now they want to ban natural gas, so right there, on every new build it's at least ten thousand dollars. Guess what that just did to buying a house or renting. It just made the cost of buying a house more expensive, or if you intend to rent, it's going to make it unaffordable. So if you are on that side of the Democrat and you're thinking, oh, the government's going to save me, where do you think the money comes from. It comes from taxpayers. So every initiative, everything that gives you think you're getting something, they're actually hiking the price up somewhere else and you're paying the price. It's a vicious cycle that people need to be aware of. It absolutely is. And you know, I live out in a rural area and even in the third there's some rural areas. You know, gas is essential to us out there. When the power goes down, whether it's a severe winter storm or in the summer you get some of these these firestorms that occur, big big wildfires, the power will go out, and in the rural areas it can go out for days. Yes, and without gas, how am I cooking in the wintertime? You know? How am I? You know, why have a wood burning fireplace? But still that gas can help me heat my home? Protect my kids. So this is this is a big issue that you've that you've you're talking about here that we should push back against the government. On, especially in eastern Washington, because they're trying to take it further and go after propane as well. So you have, like you said, the rural areas that are a little outside in my district. But it doesn't matter. I still care about those people. And we have tough winters. Sometimes we haven't for a couple of years, but it happens, and we can't leave people without heat or a way to cook. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. And going back to kind of that question, why would Democrats vote for you when I look at it, you know, and these big issues that you're talking about, safer streets, you know, well, we're not taxed to death and people are fleeing the state and droves, you know, voting for Natalie, even with her strong convictions and her religious beliefs, you know, voting for somebody like Natalie, let's just say you're very, very pro choice. Voting for Natalie. Natalie is not as an individual going to be able to change the law in Washington State. Right, You're opposed to abortion, but one person is not going to be able to change that issue. And I always say I'm pro human, so I care about life absolutely, But right now I care about the lives dying on the streets of drug overdoses. So I agree, you know, just because there's one thing we disagree. I'll take you to my favorite quote, eighty percent agreement is not a twenty percent trader. Change the percentage, and that was Ronald Reagan if you didn't know, but change the percentage. We don't have to agree one hundred percent of the time for me to be the right choice for the third. I completely agree with that. I think you are the best choice for the third. I think it's rather obvious because it's you know, that old expression of the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again, expecting different results. Well to the third, you've had years and years and years. You said, nineteen eighty three was the last time. Yes, okay, nineteen eighty three, guys, Okay, I mean my wife wasn't even born yet. She was born in eighty four. So since nineteen eighty three, you guys have voted Democrat, right, and you're doing the same thing over and over and over again, and you're not seeing those changes, those results. So I think right now, as you pointed out, is a perfect time to send somebody new to Olympia. And somebody that will listen to all people, not just certain groups. So I am that person. I can cross the aisle. I can sit down at the table, we can have conversations and do what's best for all of us. You're absolutely right. I mean, Natalie even likes a libertarian like me, so I'm not part of her guys. Okay, yeah, I like the Republican I should say, I really like the local Republican party here, all right, but she likes me as a libertarian, A little libertarian by the way. Most of the time. Yeah, I just loves it. Yes, but yes, you can. You can reach across the aisle, and you and I may even have some disagreements about some things, but I would one hundred percent support you if I lived in the. Third Well, I appreciate that, and I definitely can cross the aisle, even to the Democrat side. You know, I have always said that I pretty much grew up a Democrat. My dad claimed he was a Democrat. I think it'd be a Republican today, but it was that blue collar Democrat. It was that you know a lot of people call it the JFK Democrat, and it was really for the working class. I grew up in a working class, blue collar family. My dad worked hard, and sometimes when he couldn't find work, he would travel and he'd go other places to find work. So I understand it, I imagine you do. Yeah, those those blue dog Democrats which have kind of disappeared, sadly to say, I think, actually the Democrat Party, if you want to fix what's going on in some of the craziness in there, you need to court you need to bring back the blue dog Democrats, because those were people who genuinely loved America, but they wanted, as you said, for the working class. That's who they were, for the working class stiffs, and we moved so far away from that where a lot of the Democrats, even Democrats that I know, you know, they don't support a lot of the craziness, but they feel like they can't cross that party line that I don't know, maybe their neighbors would look at them a little bit strangely if a Natalie Poulsen sign appeared in their yard. Look, people stop caring about what everybody else thinks about you just do the right thing. In this case, it's voting for Natalie. Absolutely give it a try. I mean, like you said, definition of insanity. You've been voting the other way for a long time, so let's give it a try. It's a two year term. If you really don't like me that much, you'll be able to vote again in two years. But let's give it a try. That is absolutely true. And by the way, you don't have to put the sign out in your yard. I mean, I'm sure she would prefer that you do. But you can just vote for. You don't have to tell anyone. You can just be like, no one's looking over my shoulder. Okay, there we go. I voted for a Republican. Oh my gosh, hey, this guy's not falling. It's a good plan, and especially in the primary, so let's get this done. I would agree with your So let's go back to the website, Chris, if you can bring that up friendsof Natalie dot com. This is where I want every one of you to go and be a supporter, and not just a supporter, be a volunteer, because that's one of the things as a former politician. I needed volunteers, and I know you need volunteers as well. There's so many ways that you can help and assist a campaign like this, Natalie tell us about your need for volunteers. So what's great about volunteering is I can find a place for you. We can have you make phone calls to let people know that I'm running. We can have you out walk in the streets, you can come volunteer at an event. And you can also get a sign, put it up in your yard or like Caleb was saying, if that's uncomfortable, then look around your main path of driving and if you happen to see a good spot, you could stick a sign there. You see my competitors sign great place for mine? Yeah, right right next to it. Not in front of. It, ladies, Johns, I would never say that right. In front of it. No, right next to it. Right there, So that people know that there's options here, that it's not just a shoe in for the Democrats. And the third again that there is a viable candidate who will support you, whether you're a Democrat, Republican or an independent. She's going to come in here and she's also going to be and I really want you to talk about this because you're very approachable, I think, so that's one of the things that I really do appreciate about you. There are politicians out there, both on the left and the right that have an elitist attitude, and they're like, do you know who I am? Like why are you even talking to me? That is not Natalie here? And in fact even on your card. And I'll let you do this if you want to. But there's ways to communicate with you, ways to talk. With you, absolutely, and I'm definitely that person that I believe. I'm not going to ask you to do anything I'm not willing to do. And you know, I have to stay connected. As a representative of the third I have to be connected to the people. So I have my cards, We've got QR codes. We also have a website, Friends off Natalie dot com. I have my email Friends of Natalie Poulsen at gmail dot com. And then you can always I have my phone number and it's myself. You can get directly to me right here on my website five oh nine two three zero eight two eight one man. Chris, she's braver than me. I don't even give out my cell phone online. But that's the kind of person that Natalie is, that she's going to be that person that, Hey, if you have a disagreement with her, if you if you want to plead your case on why she should vote, you know a specific way. There's her phone number, there's her community. Ways to communicate with her, and she'll have a conversation. I know she will. I don't want to put the words in your mouth, but I know you will talk with somebody who who fundamentally opposes you so that you can try to get some middle ground, some agreements. Absolutely. I can even give you an example. I was down at Riverfront Park. I was there for the Heroes Walk. I'm very proud supporter of my military, and probably a young adult I would guess he was, you know, late twenties, and we started to get into conversation. Another gentleman got a little heated, and so I stepped in and we started to have a great debate. And we got to the end of that and he said, you know what, You're the first person I've ever talked to that I will agree to disagree, but I actually heard you. Wow, it was great. Is that is wonderful to hear all right, Well, once again, friends of Natalie dot com, I do have one last question. You're going to have to humor a constitutional nerd here. I think I might have asked you this once before, actually, but I love the Bill of Rights because I'm an anti federalist and like the fact that the I like the fact that the Bill of Rights is basically like, you know, like what the Bible has with ten commandments and thou shalt not, but it's all directed to government. I love that. What's your favorite of the original ten here? Oh, that's a tough one because they are so very good, So I have to at least say, you know, the first three are pretty stellar. But I'd have to go back to probably personal experience, the right to peaceably protest. I did that. I lost my career over it. Yeah, won my case. That's one thing that is never publicized after two years. But it is important to peaceably protest. And I always use the word peaceable because I think we forget that piece. And you know, we just saw that in a case recently where they tried to claim it, but yet they were damaging cars and vandalism. That's not peaceful, No, it's not. So I definitely love that one. I will always love my Second Amendment, and you know, free speech and sure, I mean they're all good ones. No, I like that. And I've actually I've heard a lot of people talk about the First Amendment or the Second Amend but specifically because there's five rights that are given in the First Amendment. Well god given, I should say, But I've never heard anybody say peacefully protesting. And that is a really important thing that when the government becomes oppressive. Yeah, the right to petition and peacefully protest for a redress of our grievances. That's an important issue. So great answer. I like it. 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