Church & State - Order Your Life: Raising Leaders

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Well that let's go ahead and start this episode. Now. I'm joined, as you can tell by two guests in Stall. I've got Pete and Elliott here. Pete was in the army and we've already been telling a lot of jokes here. It's been great. But Pete was in the Army, he's married, three kids, and special Forces been all over the world, traveling all around. And Elliott is a PJ that's in the Air Force. Ladies and gentlemen, for those of you who aren't aren't familiar with it, pj's are a tough class. Also married, is an elder in his church, also has three kids. And these guys have quite the mission that they're on. I'm excited to talk to him. Pete and Elliott, thanks for joining us on church and state. Yeah, thanks for having us. Yeah, absolutely, it's a pleasure to have both you here. And let's go into it a little bit. So you guys obviously have some skill sets that I would see your average US citizen does not have. Maybe he does. I'm more just resilient pain, if you will. My experience is just endure the suffering. And if you do that better than others and you get to do some pretty cool things. Embrace the sucker, embrace the sucky. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Elliott, do you agree you've made got a little bit more of the skill set. I've got a lot of awesome learned skills. That's a good way to put it. Exceptional knots problem solving by any means necessary. Right, that's the way to put it. Gotcha. Yeah, So what we see today in the I'm sure both of you familiar with the old statement, you know, the strong men create good times all that, and currently in America we seem to be in a bit of a crisis, specifically when we look at our youth. And I don't want to be that guy. You know, they get off my lawn. You know, every generation is worse off than the next one or the last one. But we do seem to have a problem specifically centered around young men in this nation. But I was just looking at a statistic. You guys might be blown away by this, but seventy seven percent of millennials or the gen zs have brought a parent to at least one job interview. WHOA, wow, Yeah that's great. We have some problem. Yeah, I mean I can't imagine being the interviewer on that one. As long as you got your life jacket on, you won't sing. It's like the step Brother scene, you know, you lean back. And yeah, we'd like to bring buddies. Yeah, I could imagine being an employer and who's this? This is my mom? Okay, do I direct the questions that you or her. But you guys have a plan to really transform specifically the male youth in this country. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. I mean so it's kind of a long story, but my story has been through finding the problems and the men around me and trying to find God's solution. I feel like one of the leading causes of all our failure is that we think success is what other people give us. Right, I'm successful because you think I'm a success, right, And that's not God's economy. Right. You're successful because He made you, and he made you for a purpose, and when you do it, you're successful. And people who walk in that find success and then they become leaders because you go, oh, this is a big crisis. We don't know what to do. And it's like, well, I'm the guy who's calm and comfortable and chaos. That was my role as the PJ, and I was like, well, what made me so calm and comfortable around this team of guys going through a big crisis. It's like, because the outcome is not mine, it's the lords, and people will always be like hey, man, Like it's literally that first in the Bible, it says essentially, always be ready to give an answer for the hope that's in you. And when you go, well what hope is that, you're like, the hope is that the outcomes of the lords? And they're like, can you be in charge? And I was like, well, what just made me a leader? It's not my voice? In fact, I got made fun of a lot for it. It's not my list, you know, it's not my dyslexia. What is it? I was never the strongest, that was never the strongest. But it was like, well, no matter how hard it got in the pool, we'd look over at you and you just look calm. You would look like you were comfortable, and I was like, I was dying, but the outcome isn't mine. And they were like whoa. And over the time, I saw the most elite operators in the military, like the top and I did an assessment and selection at the top level, and one of the things I noticed was that everyone's trying to be something right. They all want to be seen as the best, but they might not. They don't realize that they could be without achieving it, if that makes sense. And so I realized that the problem these guys were terrible at home, they were terrible with their kids, and they kind of would cover that up by just being like, well, I mean, my job's too important, so I'll just do that all the time, you know. And then they stopped going home. They stopped, and I was like, what is the problem here? And really what I found was the problem was order. And so if you're not ordered appropriately, then you can't make it too your community. You can't be a leader for yourself because what happens is you start and you see it in pastors, you see it in elders and missionaries all this stuff. It's like, well, my work is so important, my family's going to suffer. And it's like, you know, you just disqualify yourself right to make this office. You have to keep your house well right, you have to have kids that aren't awful, And it's like, why don't have time for my kids because the church needs me. It's like no, no, you just you just gave up your first mission and you took priority four as number one, right, And so it's like, well, it was the best excuse I had, and everyone else thought it was a good one, so I went with it, you know, And we see that in everyone from an elite operator, police officer, all these folks. And then they come back and they're like, who am I? Because I'm not that anymore. So they lose their identity and it's like, well, my identity was tied to my work, and my work gave me value. My work's gone, My value is gone, and my family's a mess. So then they go down this rabbit hole, and I'm like, well, you know, we can reach people earlier than catastrophe. So what if we teach kids? What if we teach our youth to properly order their lives and get in the right order so that way when they hit catastrophe, they go, well, the outcomes of the lords? You know, how can I have confidence in God above myself? I gotta tell you, I love so much of what you just said. There. You're putting things in its proper place, in its proper order. We need to have that hierarchy and that understanding that first and foremost, I am a slave to Christ, which is what the Bible tells us multiple times. I mean, Peter, Paul, they all call themselves a slave. James. I know that aren't popular anymore. You know, you know, some people might view it in a negative light, but I am a slave to Christ and from there everything else is an extension. When Jesus says you have to hate your family in comparison to me, it's like, well, I don't want to hate my family, And it's like, who gives your family worth? Jesus God, he made them, and then Jesus died for them. It's like, oh, well I love them. Then like, yeah, because you love me, you love them. That's border right, that's a level. My cup overflows mean that unless I'm with you Christ overflowing, I'm not going to make it to the next level. Yeah. So this leads to actually a bigger discussion about masculinity as a whole. And Pete, I'm going to bring you into this. But what Elliott was just talking about how so many people have their identity in their job right, and all of us being veterans, you know, we definitely lived that. Like I was a marine, like that was my identity. Even beyond that, I was a city councilman or you know, I work in politics, and that was really my identity. And just like you were saying, Elliott, it came to a point where I was pouring everything into my work because I was trying to the country or something like that, all the while losing my family. And it was until my wife actually brought that to my attention that I'm like, oh, I need a correction, all right. So so my question for you, Pete is is why is it, in your opinion, so many men wrap themselves their masculinity into the career field. It's a really good question. And as Elliott was talking, I was thinking to myself, Man, you're just you're telling my life story. I was that guy, you know. And I'm not gonna say I was elite by any means, but I've been to all the Army selections and I was in, you know, a couple special operations units, and I'm telling you my identity was fully tied to SOCOM, to soft and I actually left the Army. I didn't have faith in my career. I grew up going to church and I would tell anybody that I'm a believer, but I didn't have faith and I think without it. If to answer your question, my opinion is that he human beings in general seek purpose, and without faith and christ purpose, it presents itself. And however, it presents itself to each individual we're military guys. It was very easy to see the purpose in my life as a special operator. I wanted to fight terrorism. I wanted to, you know, avenge the victims of nine to eleven. I wanted to fight ISIS and the Taliban and I'll kite in all those guys. And when I left active duty, still had not found my faith yet. I struggled so much with the identity piece, to the point of essentially self destruction. And it was a friend who had also served in Softwood who'd gotten out who I knew was Christian, that I called in my lowest moment and kind of saved me. I think the answer is that humans inherently seek purpose. I think we were designed that way. I'm not a scientist, and I don't you know, I wouldn't consider myself well read and even biblical text. But I think we seek purpose. And I think that's why without the faith, it's very easy to tie yourself to your profession, especially if that profession is something political or nation building or you know, fighting terrorism is very easy for anybody to understand as purposeful. Sure, so let's also bring in what they've done collectively to society, because there is I think both of you will agree with me. There is a war against masculinity one hundred percent. And we see that materialize in a lot of different aspects. But you know that you can see it with like, hey, sit down, women are talking now kind of movement, the feminism. You know, men, especially in particular white males are told hey, you know you sit down, you need to be an advocate for this marginalized group. That yes, yeah, exactly. And so we're also not just are we dealing with the fact that a lot of people have stopped seeking Christ, but then we also see this culture war against masculinity. So you guys have a big job on your hands. It's well said, it is well said, and I do think, you know, going back to your previous question, is there's a war against masculinity, and and I think it's bipartisan. I mean, it's it shouldn't be politically aligned, and unfortunately it seems to be going that direction. And I think it's a shame that it's it's a political topic because there's there's very much inherent good in masculinity and femininity as well. You know, it's if you are a believer, as I've recently come to faith and learned that it's biblical. So we were designed a certain way and it's complementary and we do really well. And I say we as in our genders, if you believe in that, do really well in the lanes that we were designed to swim in. If that makes sense. Yeah, I mean it's an interesting concept, right, because the idea is that a strong male leader is not going to allow the followers to succeed. But the right ordered leader sees the value in everybody. Right, because I like that right whose image is in you? Like what is a you know, the marine in charge with the team of marines. It's like, well, which one of you is not a big strong man? It's like no, no, no, how do I use all these men to reach the goal? How do we reach the top and plant the flag? And it's like with strong leadership, well, sometimes that leadership is not in the front. Sometimes it is right, follow me or Warren Right, It's like, hey, I'm going to follow him because he's a strong leader. It doesn't make me less of a leader, less of a strong person. And so you're really saying, what has God made you to do? What's my purpose? And a leader can be at the back, right, a leader can be in the front. You know. It's like, well, what solves this problem? Right? And so in a way, stronger women are more successful when they're stronger men. Right. It's kind of like capitalism, right, when the water goes up, all boats rise, right, and you look at that and it's like, well, what if we just lower them so we feel better? And again it's like it's the same with order. We think feelings are what you guide our actions, but it's our knowledge. It's knowing, right the heart, like love God in your heart, that's your core and then you feel love, you know. And so when you get in that proper order, you go hold on. There's a core here, which is a knowledge, and then there's a result, which can be emotion, because if emotion guides our actions, then we don't have knowledge, right, That's what I said. Yeah, yeah, and you know this is going to be more specific to the Christian audience, but I would say you have to understand that everything that is not of God is of Satan. Is a very black and white statement. But all of this, this attack on masculinity, the rise of feminism, I would submit, is an attack on what God had ordered the proper role of things. I just saw a terrifying statistic. It was men who are given a raise at their job will go out and have more kids. Women, on the other hand, who are given a raise at their job will have less children. Now, doesn't that just show everything that we're talking about right here is that it's because women had a role of biblical proper role and society and a direct attack on Satan came after that. And what's the result, population decrease which God told us to be fruitful and multiplying. And I do just want to say this to the audience. I'm not coming out here and saying if you're a working woman, you're you're living in sin. That's not at all the direction I'm taking here. You know, my wife is a nurse, so there's a lot of great women out there that are living very godly lives. But just as a generality, we've taken it out of its proper order. Yeah, one percent, and that's very well said. It's such a crazy concept when you think, well, if I give you this, then you're going to do better, and it's like, well, actually I do worse for my purpose. Sure, absolutely, So let's get into what you guys do Let's let's get into the you know, the brass taxes it were, you've identified the problem, we've been We've been talking about that for you know, ten minutes or so. But what are you guys doing for these these for the you know, the male youth in America? So I'll jump in. So one of the things that about a year ago, a guy named Seth at Boulder Creek Retreat in Idaho was like, hey, you take people in the church and you go serve the church in austere, dangerous, hard environments. That's the nonprofit I work with. And he was like, how can we help? And I was like, well, one of the problems we have are finding people who can help facilitate that, and you can't. Like if I could take special operators and make them surgeons and then make them not want money, that would be great, right because and then so I know how that goes exactly. It's like, hey, I just became a surgeon and be like, perfect, can you not make money and go serve the church and persecution? Right, go to Niger or go to Burma, go to you know the Congo, Like, go go to these places and we're going to protect the church by giving them what we have that they don't have, right, And so that's what this mission is that we're doing. And Seth was like, hey, how can I facilitate that? I was like, well, he's like, why don't you guys put on a course where you teach people about what you do? And so we do some real kind of niche things like we teach the theology of conflict and the theology of rule breaking right and it's like, can you break a rule? Whose rule is it? Right? Yeah? Can you go make a disciple in all nations? Well, that country's against it, so no, we be like, well, all authority on have an nurse has been given to me, So I said, go. I was like, oh, that's a command. I'm not allowed to fall under your authority. It's it's improperly ordered, right. You're taking Romans thirteen and applying it and it's in its actual legitimate writing, not not the way that best spots like Hitler liked to use it, right. So taking that and then apparently my general goofy demeanor was attractive and they were like, we really want to reach persecute, like hurting people, the hurting youth, even Hillsdale College reached out and said, hey, that's our here's our problem, right. Our problem is that our young men can't solve problems. They don't know how to do how to deal with pop ups, like their mom is calling me asking me to fix the car, right, and it's like, oh, dear, you know, so we need young men to be leaders. So Boulder Creek has a heart for essentially hurting and persecuted people, and I think what we're missing as a church is that's actually all men, right, And so they're like, well, how and we serve the future community. And so I essentially started putting all my thoughts in life together and created a leadership, a rightly ordered leadership curriculum. And they're like, can we please teach this to young men? And so the goal at end of the breach is to essentially start filling the holes and filling the gaps of the church as a whole, and so we can strengthen the church in America and then we can maybe send some people will be called and they'll be sent to go serve the church and persecution. Some of them will go to serve the church essentially America, and in different leadership roles around the world. I love that you said that. Actually I've I've talked about this before on the show. But a lot of people when they when they get the calling for missions, they don't even consider their home country. And man, do we need missionaries in the United States? Amen? So and mentors and mentorship, I think is a gap and it's just don't talk about it enough. And for me, you know, a little bit of a different flavor is how I got into all of this. You know, transitioned out of active duty in twenty twenty three and struggled bad, like really bad, which we don't you know, you want to get into I'd be happy to. But essentially I found faith by accident, I would say now as the Holy Spirit drove me there. But I truly found faith, went all in on Jesus Christ. And after going through like a catastrophic mental health incident, I realized it was like, man, it's the people around me that were not pushing Christianity, but were I knew they were. I was a church grower as a kid, so I'd have friends that I could tell were serious about their faith. And like you said earlier, they just they had their thing. They were together they were in order, actually, and Elliott loves the word order. It's kind of the premise of his leadership training he's built. So I got really interested in recovery, resiliency and you know, finding yourself spiritually for those veterans, first responders or families that you know. And the easy description for me is you've been running and gutting for years in a very high stress environment. Your identity is getting real tight to your job. But then you come home and then what And we tend to struggle with our families. We tend to find mentorship outside of our job. And I kind of crack this nut on like I found mentorship in Jesus Christ, and with that I started to get my life in order. And now I'm using his term all the time. You did it, Earliah, you got it success. And so what I what I got really interested in myself my partner is not able to be here today, you know, is we can facilitate recovery and set the example spiritually. But it's not necessarily like sit down and listen to me preach. It's more mentorship. It's you know, and I'm not going to say it's me, but someone like me says, I've been here in this difficult place and faith and recovery and intorship and taking the time somewhere like the you know, Boulder Creek Retreat where SETH has set up what they've set up to be intentional about recovery. And so that's where we got to say, it's not necessarily you know, two kind of separate problems that we're attacking at once, but it all goes back to male mentorship. You know, you could tie that to masculinity, but it's mentorship through how you behave not preach, do as I say, because I know it's more so like, hey, we can facilitate growth and development and recovery by setting the example and being intentional. And that's what we got really excited about, is, you know, the mental health problem, the masculinity problem. I think it's all in a related lack of faith in a lot of people's lives. It's all interrelated. It's kind of that like whole human concept that I think we're interested in fostering for those that are in. Need of it. So so what I'm hearing is I'm hearing discipleship because I think what you were just talking about with the preaching right, and this is something we've grown up to. Unfortunately in the American churches, there is a lot of preaching and a lot of people say there's a lot of hypocrisy in the church. But we're commanded, as you were talking about earlier, to go and make disciples. That's not and I've been big on this on the show. That's not dunk and. Hey, there you go. You're a believer. Now, stops baptism, go out in the world. And have fun, cause Satan's going to attack you. Now. Discipleship is work, and that's exactly what you're talking about, that mentorship, coming alongside a younger Christian like Paul did with Timothy right and discipling them for years to get them to the point where they now they're a leader. Yeah, discipleship mentorship. I have two friends in particular that would wouldn't say I was discipling Pete. But the way they behaved, acted, talked, the language they used. I knew they were devout Christians. I considered myself a believer, but I hadn't figured it out. They didn't know that. The example they set is what led me to where I got. So those guys, what they were doing was acting in a manner that was commensurate with discipleship without without saying I'm a disciple, Pete. And so it was the example that they set that by accident they mentored me. I became a firm believer, and it made me realize, like, I can tell my story and I don't have to preach. It's just tell my story and others can see like, oh, man, like if he's doing this and he's got it figured out, maybe this is maybe spirituality is something I need to look into. What is this Jesus thing about? Yeah, because I you know, a lot of very educated folks in the room around the Bible and in the history of faith and Christianity, and I found it in twenty twenty four, you know. And I think what I've learned is that my story facilitates folks like me that haven't found it because the way I can present it is like, dude, I didn't know anything. I wasn't pushing for it, I wasn't hunting for it, and it happened, and it materially changed my life for the better. Like it quantifiably, it's obvious. And for that I've helped a couple other people go like, maybe I should check this out. And that's what if you, whether it's with the youth or veterans, first responders families, if you mentor or disciple other men, whether or not they go out and intentionally disciple others, they're going to set an example for others regardless. And so you can really make an impact on the world by just being intentional about it. If folks like us are like, hey, I'm going to start a podcast, I'm going to talk about it. All it takes is one person to dial in, listen and learn something and then go teach someone else, and you're starting to impact the world. And so that's where I get excited about it. It's personal for me because I struggle and I want to see others get through the struggle and find what I found in Christ, which I think is unique. Yeah, I love that. So let's walk through it. You know, you get a group of young men, they may have, you know, some specific issues they're dealing with, and you guys, get a hold of them. What does this training look like for them? We'll let Elliott talk about training. For me, I'll be brief on kind of the resiliency side. It's more so creating a secure environment with a lot of opportunity for we'll call it fellowship, but say like family, horseback riding, fishing. What I've learned in the veteran recovery nonprofit space is everybody has a different solution to their problem. Not everybody wants to go duck hunting. Believe it or not. I found faith in pursuing duck hunting. It's my tagline is I found Jesus in a duck line. It's a long story, but some people just want to fish, you know. And so that's kind of what we're providing an environment where they can do those things. It's not necessarily as curriculum base, but there's fellowship and faith built in, but not bound to timeline. And with that, I'll hand it over to Elliott. Well, let me just introduct real quick, because it sounds like you're bringing nature into a lot of them, which is I love that because too often, and especially if we're going to go into the young men here in a minute, but a lot of people are we used to call it latchkey kids, but a lot of people are just living indoors. You know, they're televisions, their video games, their phones on social media constantly just screens and they don't want to go outside. But there's health. There's healing in going outdoors, getting out going, taking a hike, maybe duck hunting, fishing, whatever. It all adds to really a better mental health lifestyle. And with that, we've hit a heartbreak here for the NRBTV audience, but we're gonna come back. Elliot's going to talk to us about what the training looks like, so you're gonna want to stay tuned for that. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to be a walking billboard. 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With that, let's go back to our two guests here and Elliott and Elliott I asked the question about what the training looks like, because I think the audience is going to be really interested in this because it's fun. I mean, like, just speaking from a military point of view, the best times were in the field, Am I wrong? Like Garrison sucked, right, Nobody wanted to be Garrison, Like, oh man, we're gonna have to do like marches and be in uniformeds. Yeah, exactly, But yeah, you go out into the field though, that's when you're having fun, right, Yeah, So tell us about. The training undred percent. So the coolest thing about Boulder Creek Retreat is the location right northern Idaho, surrounded by three mountain Oh it's gorgeous, massive, gorgeous. Just like when I first went out there just to do the austere surgical thing, I'm both the founder of the organization of myself were just blown away by the opportunity. It was like, not only are we going to be outside, but the classroom, like the rustic the fire. The everything's in circles, not rows, right, It's like a community. And then it was like, well, there's two of us to teach this course, but it's going to take the church. And the church showed up, Like I'm talking. We had I don't even remember how many, like like probably around fifty people from the local community who were like how this small town? Small town? They're like, how can we be a part of this? So there were there were folks from like Navy seals who ran the PT, right, there were all these folks. There was you know, prior marines who were like, hey, I have a lot of experience in interview and and uh these kind of dynamic environments. And I was like, well, one of the big things is the missionaries are going to be going through a lot of checkpoints. And they were like, well, here's a group of boys with guns, and we'll make sure they don't have muzzle control, and they'll ask a bunch of weird questions and like and here's a border patrol agent who's trained, here's a sheriff who's trained at interrogation. And so we're going to set up you know, a road stop. We're going to set up a walking patrol. We're going to set these things up. And so now we're giving them essentially a look before it's real, a safe environment where you can stop in ar this thing. And I just showed up going all right, god, what do you want us to do? How can we get people ready? And it was the folks at Boulder Creek Retreat who were like, hey, we have this, and so for this we're like, hey, we want to help young men. We want to help the future. And I'm telling you like top educators, people who build like curriculum and stuff, people who create these things, top trainers, like guys who ran Seal team selection, you know, things like that, are like hey, how can I help? And it's like like just tools, right, And so the whole church is essentially saying, hey, we want to help you make the future better. Right, And so you're going to do it outdoors. We're going to do classroom, we're going to do discipleship, and we're going to do problems, right because without pressure, you you can't see what something is. And if you go out into the environment and your first problem is that interview and you're like, well, where's my mom? Right? I need my mom to come with me because I don't know how to handle pressure because I wasn't allowed. Well, we're going to take young men and we're going to put them through pressure, and we're going to talk about it and we're going to brightly order them so when they reach crisis, the response isn't collapse, right, and they're not going, Hey, Siri, how do I answer this interview question? Hey chet GPT? What do I do here for my car? Right? It's like, hold on, here's a problem. I can solve it. There's tools. Technology can be a tool, but we're making technology. God right, we're putting technology is like, oh, where's my worth? Do you like me? Like if you talk to any AI model, it's like, that's a great question. You're so smart. That's the right place to think. And you're like, oh, I feel affirmed and I like you, like I've got a best friend. Right, And it's like cut that out, Like reality is way different. Right when you stand before Jesus, Chapter GPT is not going to give you your answer, right when you go. A meme out of that, make a great meme right there. Right, And so essentially it's a combination of we have the tools all there, and I mean, it is a whole church affair. Now we're here because it's like we don't have people don't know about the opportunity. Right, It's like, hey, we would like this to be successful where we can help military family, we can help these gentlemen in trauma. And guess who would be the best instructor for young men to say, hey, don't do what I did. People who came from a troubled pass where they were the elite leader and they're still failed and then they found God or then they found truth and they go, hey, guys, find this now and then you don't fall into this trap. Right. And so essentially it's almost like it's just a beautiful combination of like, here's the problem that God put in front of us. Are you guys going to steward the church and solve it? Right, here's work for you to do. Right. And so when it comes to like the community, it's like, please come and learn young men. Right. Problem is young men don't have any money. Right. It's like, hey, I could work at Starbucks this summer, or I could go to this course and be a better leader, but I don't really have time for it, right, And so sharing this message with the church with the goal that the church says, Hey, we would love to see this happen. Can we send our boys there and we'll do a fundraiser and we're going to fund like five boys. You know, Hey, church who wants to go, Hey, let's find this out and let's figure out a way to get you guys there, because we want you to be our pastors in five years, ten years, right, yeah, and so we're going to start you off rightly ordered because we don't have bandwidth. Right, I'm at work, you're over here, I'm over there. We're trying to survive. And I mean it's one of those weird things where it's like, guys, the church as a community can move forward. It's not like every single dad has to solve every single problem for their family. Right. If there's five dads, it's like, hey, man, you're good at voting, can you take my kids voting? Right? And so it's trying to grow community and it's already in Idaho. So I'm like that, we got to do it here, right, and then they'll leave and then they'll grow their community, right, and then they'll say, hey, can we teach this course over here? Be like yes, you can. You guys know what's up. You already understand order, like this is not mine, this is the churches, and we need to spread it around. And so that's really the goal. You know. One of the things that you're talking about there that I absolutely love libertarian and so I'm big on the church taking back its proper authority because I mean, for years now the church has really addlicated that role to government. Yeah COVID, no we won't meet. Yeah we'll put a mask on, and yeah, I mean it was ridiculous. Obviously we all have bad memories of twenty twenty. But but telling the church, like, hey, take responsibility for building up strong leaders. And maybe the pastor doesn't need another Bentley, you know, maybe maybe he should pour into the youth and get them to where they can start being leaders inside the community, inside the church. Or they could put their boys in their pastoral jet and fly them here. Right way. We're not throwing stones at anybody. I've always said this because I turned down a lot of money for our mission. And the reason is someone comes to me and they're like, hey, can I tithe to you? Right? And I'm like, you can, but where does God want your money, and they're like, what, you don't just want it? And I'm like, no, no, I want it, but I don't want what God doesn't want. So I need you to stop and pray. And if there's a community that's building you up, build them up with your resources. And if you tell them, hey, I would like some of our resources to go to this because it's godly and it's helping the church in hard places or it's building up men, then as a church, can we support these people? And if the church says no, like that's one of my things, I'm like, I'm going to ask God for permission. I'm not going to ask him to bless my own selfish desire, right, Like, God, I want to do a leadership course, would you bless it? It's like I don't want you to do a leadership course, Like, get out of there. I'm going to make it fail, miserable, you're gonna look stupid. Why because I want you to learn to follow me. And then if I go God, I want to do a leadership course. Is that what you want? And he goes, oh, finally, yeah, here's all the resources, right, And so that this is that phase of this operation, which is God we want this to be yours. If you want it, then we're excited for it. If you don't want it, then your church will say no. You're going to say no, that's fine, right, but it's we want this and we think you do too. But all up to you. It's a and that's the order, right. I'm submitting to God and if he supplies, then I should do it. Right. Gideon was like, we need a bigger army. God was like, you need the army I give you. Yeah, right. I feel like so much of God's interactions with his creation is kind of like a to the back of the head, you know, no. Interest in me. You know, I got this kind of a thing. So now you've also been up to the training facility Boltipate Retreat, and you and I were talking before we started, but just that that natural beauty element, I mean, Elie was talking about it as well. You're you're from Texas. We were joking about Texas. There's no mountains in Texas. Really, the water's all brown. You know. I used to joke with my wife that there's no trees in Texas because I had like almost never been to Texas when I got married. That's false. There are trees in Texas. Texas closer you get to Arkansas pretty flat. Oh yeah, yeah, that's yeah. The facility is beautiful, and I think, like I'm an advocate for you know, you can you can find God in nature very easily. But at the same time, I still look at things from a lens of like, I'm still new to this. You know. I can't speak as eloquently as uh he can about what Gideon said, but what I can say is I know there is something there that is materially impactful. And so it's you know, to me, I met my business partner through faith in a company that I felt like was the epitome of evil, you know, And and so I look at things a little bit from an entrepreneurial lens. As an entrepreneur myself, I'm like, man, not only is it beautiful, not only is the community from an economic perspective when volunteers get involved it saves money. But more importantly, what they've built there, like the resources, the infrastructure, is your viewers. We won't be able to articulate how amazing it is until you see it. Well, speaking of that, and while I'm not trying to cut you off, but no, you bring up the website so we can actually see what Pete is talking about here. So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, bouldercreektreat dot com and Pete sorry take it away. No, it's worth checking out. So again, going back to like the economic perspective, I mean, you can't any training, you know, plan that you build, or like you could park a university there. You know, it's got everything you could imagine in terms of infrastructure space. I mean, if you wanted to bring I could tell my entire church down in Texas and all of their family members, let's all go there, and they would all have great laws, all the resources, communal space, fire pits, saunas, hot tub, cold plunge in the lake, beautiful creeks. But then there is the nature piece to it. So it's got everything. And I just don't know the reason I really got excited about it is because I can't find anything that compares. I've seen a lot of nonprofits that work with veterans where you go to a ranch, and ranches are beautiful, but a ranch can only fit so much. It's not built to accommodate large groups, classrooms. There's science labs there there's arts. There's literally a music studio on this property with some of this equipment that we're sitting in front of. It's got everything and all of those different activities and opportunities, whether it's nature or even inside playing drums like he was the other day, all of that is a no screen, you know, opportunity for whether it's a veteran or a first responder, or family members, father's son, you know, full family, the husband and wife, fathers, whatever. It has opportunity for everybody and the people around it, the volunteers, the owners, the workers, everybody there is setting the example by being rooted in faith. So I didn't get the feeling that when I arrived it was I'm being preached at. I got the feeling that, like, wow, I'm surrounded by a community that feels a whole lot like a family, So welcome home. It's like welcome home. I was saying, we were sitting around this big fire pit the other night, and the owners came out and their parents came out, and Seth was there, and everybody was out there, and I'm you know, I was kind of the new guy. And I even said it like, man, I feel like I'm sitting amongst the family. It's almost strange, it's so welcoming. But what they're doing is they're setting the example through faith. Now there's jiu jitsu classes there led by seals. It doesn't sound like faith, but it's a Christian Navy seal who's like, everything is kind of rooted in faith. And so what my hope would be is that the folks that go to this place might just go horseback riding or equine therapy, but what they'll see is men and women who are setting the example that's rooted in Christ and they're not shoving it down your throat. They're not pushing it, which I think you kind of alluded to. There's a barrier. I used to say, the biggest barrier to entry to the church as the church. It's for me, it was scary to go to a church. It was like going to a party where I don't know anybody. And I think that that's that's where I get excited about, like mentorship, leadership, you know, setting the good example. All I have to do is say, hey, guys, I'd like to pray before this meal. Is that cool? And somebody might say, dang, do you Pete praise before meals. Yeah, you know, what's I'm curre? Where did that come from? And I've experienced that firsthand, where you know, friends of mine, army friends especially that are like Pete's doing the Christian thing, like maybe I should check that out. And and you know a handful of guys have started to going to church because it makes me feel good. But what they're doing up there is extremely special. But just from a business perspective, economic perspective, I don't know if you could find something that has the locality, the beauty, the infrastructure, the volunteer network, the comforts, the creature comforts. If you want to go sit in a sauna, which we did for like four hours the other day, you can do that there by a lake and jump in the lake when it's you know, break the ice and jump the lake and get cold too. So it's a really really special place. And you know, I've been trying to find who's the competition. I can't find it, you know, And I would encourage anybody to go look at the website and I'm sure there's a contact us and reach out because a lot of opportunity for any any faith based organization or any recovery based organization or any like hey we he alluded to it, which they train missionaries that are going out on mission on how to be safe in foreign countries. You're getting that from special operators or people that are going out in the world trying to conduct counter human trafficking operations, which is largely led by nonprofits. All of that opportunity you can train here and live and stay out as long as you want. It's just it's a it's a wonderful, wonderful spot. It's really remarkable. I mean every week, if I understood right, every week they're bringing in whatever church wants to their security team and going through a CQB, React to Contact, Act to shoot And it's like, why are you guys doing that? Like because it's the church and we know how to do this, so let's share it. And you're like WHOA. Well, and then everything we just talked about is everything. It's kind of like, you know, no matter age, gender, whatever, you're kind of doing I wouldn't say hard things, but unique things that are a little difficult competition, you know, teaching church security teams how to secure a building. It's like that's something hard for people to go through and hard things facilitate camaraderie, and hard things facilitate confidence. Confidence in young men is what equates to masculinity. And what I always say is personal courage is the value that we lack because it takes a lot of courage today to do what is right. It's like people like to say in companies, our core values like integrity number one. It's like, man, integrity should be permission to play, to be frank. In my experience, it takes a lot of courage to have integrity and to do the right thing when nobody else is watching. And I think that that's what you take the full collective of what's happening at the retreat, and that's how you give back to the mission. It's we're fostering the masculinity or the femininity, but it's the confidence, the courage, Like man, I can do hard stuff, even something as simple as starting a fire. I was going to tell you a minute ago when you talked about nature, it's like google the science behind staring at a fire. Oh yeah, because it actually has like cognitive effects. They're enormous. I didn't know this. Same thing with staring out at the ocean. Hearing the waves that actually has a cognitive calming effect inst right. Getting on Instagram just makes me I. Had to look it up online though, I figured. But I mean, I love this guys. I gotta tell you, like this flies in the face of basically almost every American church out there, where you'll get a guy that's like, I want to mentor people and and the response or the action is, Hey, how about we go get some coffee and we can talk about your porn addiction. Yeah. I don't want to go do that exactly. Yeah, like this, dude, I'll go do be with you and we can talk about God while we're doing that. That sounds amazing. What happens we end up talking about God a lot out here again is one of those things that you know, as a relatively new I would call myself devout Christian. It's being around it. When people talk about Elliott tier One, PJ. I worked with these guys. I know they're talented, you have more skills than me, and hearing you talk, it's like, Man, I didn't have that when I was in Jeff Struker is a ranger pastor. If you haven't met him, he's a wonderful guy and he was in Black Hawk Down the movie, he's the guy that's like people start coming to him because he had something that they didn't. The same story and he became a pastoring. It's a really cool dude, But it's when folks are around it and they see it. You've got something different. For me, it was two of my friends. You've got something different. I can't figure it out why you're so successful. You know, it's weird when you ask him. I just believe. I pray, I pray with my wife, and it all comes back to faith, and it really makes you realize, like, man, that's the missing piece. And I get frustrated around mentorship a lot for that. Mentorship feels forced. But when times get tough and you call on the mentors, I found a lot of times they don't answer the phone or they don't have time. So real mentorship is leading by example. If somebody calls, you answer, It's like becoming a mentor isn't as simple as let's go have a conversation about what you can do better or let me teach you something. It's more I am going to take you under my wing. Yeah, and discipleship, but it's gonna look like, hey, you can call me for advice, I'll give you for real and lead by example. Yeah, when you see the world that God made for the what he made it for, you start to love God more. And then you start to love what God loves. And the most interesting thing is you start to hate the things that you love that God hates. And that's the weirdest part, right, because it's like, well, I really like God hates it, and you're like, you know what, I actually, I'm starting to hate it too. I'm start too now. I'm starting to hate it too, Like I used to do this. Now it feels wrong right, Like so too were some of you. But you've been made new right and you get in that order and you're like, hey, I see what right looks like. I'm really starting to hate what wrong looks like. Even though it's a lot more comfortable. I'd rather sit back on my couch and let my wife raise my kids. I'd rather subjugate this task duty challenge, like, oh that's hard, so I better not do it. And it's like hold on, God, what do you want? You want me to do it? Okay? You know, And then you get better and better at it, and then it's like, well, this confidence this person has is powerful. Can I follow them? It's earth change? Right? And it's like, what is a leader? Right? What is a leader? It's someone other people are following because they learned submission before authority. Right. It's like, well, I thought you just got in charge and now you're a leader. No, you follow God. You are confident, you have hope? Right, Yeah, I give them an answer for the hope that's in me. I'm not anxious about anything. Why Well, because in everything, with prayer and petition, I present my request to God and I have peace. And people are like, WHOA, who's this dude with peace and chaos? He's the rightly ordered dude. And because you. Figured this out, in my humble opinion, you figured that out, it's your duty to propagate it because it's right. It's what God wants. And that's what I kind of came to this realization is time is more valuable than money. Money is a tool to accomplish whatever your objective is. In my case as a business man, it's it's just the tool to accomplish the mission. And the mission is to spread kingdom, which feels weird for a new Christian to say, but it's like, look you were, you figured it out, You've cracked the nut. You're elite. You know that young men look up to you, almost all of them, right, because I have a heavier bench, President saying I actually on the optimistic side. I think people are starting to wake up and realize that young men like are looking for masculinity and they don't know how to find it, and they're in their screens. And so we have an opportunity, you mean, you know, all the us to spread that and to give it back. And when people see it, if they watch this, they might say, dude, I can do that too. I can do that my church, like, I can do that. And all it is is setting the example. Just lead by example. Do the hard things, have courage and confidence and the and the youth that lack that we can teach that by example. And Boulder Creek Retreat is I've never seen anywhere like it where there's a facility that can that could promote it, facilitate it. All the resources are there, and that's what excites me about it the most is you know, it's we struggle to talk about exactly what we can do there because there's so much, there's so much opportunity, and I think we're going to see it it grow quite a bit, especially coming to platform like that. I'm just looking and I get. I mean it's it's gorgeous. Yeah, And I mean that's a great guy. And I'm not saying that just because he's he's staring at me off camera, right, But no, I mean I love what you guys are doing. We've actually gone a little bit long, but I do want to thank you guys for what you guys are doing. Seth. I want to thank you for opening up this facility to these gentlemen so that they can go in there and really recapture true masculinity, moving away from the feminism and the false masculinity that we see with people like Andrew Tait, who's who's a who's a deceptive in all of his tactics. So we need to move away from that and go back to Christ centered masculinity building disciples. It's best kind. Exactly, and you guys are doing it. So I thank you for your time. Any real quick last words for the audience. No, I mean check out Boulder Creek Retreat. Google it, and I encourage you if you if you're a member of a church, a nonprofit government entity, opportunity for all of you. Reach out on the contact site and you know, tailorable opportunity for you. I'm certainly worth it. And the people you'll meet, I'm telling you, are remarkable, far more remarkable than the folks I've ever met. So it's worth it. It's worth a look. Yeah, And I would just say, order your life. Ask the Lord if this is something, if it makes you excited, and you go, all right, go and sit down with the Lord and find out, Hey, is this the right thing for me? Is this something for my son? Is this something that I want to be a part of, and then do the hard thing and be a part of it. I think you just gave us the show title right, Order your Life, all right there? That is the show title right there. I love it. Order has been a common theme in this entire discussion. So gentlemen, thank you for your time, Thank you work once again, and I'm gonna go ahead and close this out. Ladies and gentlemen, there you go. There's the solution right there. Order your life get in its proper order. If you don't know how to, well, then these guys and Boulder Creek Retreat might be the location for you churches. I hope you're paying attention because this is the type of event that you want to facilitate at your church. 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