Church & State - The Battle for Medical Freedom with Dr. Robert Malone

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I don't usually think about that as a special characteristic, but thanks for having me on. Yeah, absolutely. And you're right. It's the most important thing, right? Above all else, everything else we've accomplished in this world, we are Christians first and foremost. Yeah, and it's both an issue of faith and an issue of culture and commitment to a way of living and a way of being with other people. Amen. Well said. Now, as we start this interview, you know, you're a bit of a controversial figure. That's okay. You're in good company. So am I. But Why is it that the Democrats, the left, whatever you want to call them, why do they despise you so much? That's, I don't know what to say. That's a question I've never had before, Caleb. And I guess all I can do is speculate. I can't get into their heads. I don't read minds. There must be something about how I communicate and present myself and the nature of my background. That is a particular trigger for some. And that can extend in a lot of different dimensions. And maybe for each little splinter group within that cohort, they have a separate reason for hating. So one of my sins is that I have been with the same woman since she was just barely 15 and I was just barely 16, and we're heading on 50 years of marriage, so there's that, which is absolutely not acceptable culturally these days. There's the whole, I'm committed to freedom. I'm a constitutional conservative and in many ways an. Austrian school libertarian. That's a real problem. Christian, Christian is a sin with that cohort, it seems. I'm also, as is my wife, a turncoat, I suppose, in that I was raised in the central coast of California and voted Democrat for many years. And I can't imagine ever voting that way again. and likewise my wife so there's that we're parents who have homeschooled our children so that's a sin and worse than that we've homeschooled them and now they're incredibly successful independently and both are computer software engineers and both earn a good living so there's that I'm somebody who has the temerity to live independently and think my own thoughts and speak my own thoughts. That's a problem. I'm not a cultist. And maybe that's, you know, I'm now defenestrated from yet another cohort that has left-leaning roots, and that's called Maha. So there's that. You know, I supported Donald Trump for president. I'm a little more lukewarm these days than I was back then, to be honest. But that's another sin. So I guess I have a long laundry list of reasons to hate me and my wife, if you're a. Bi-coastal elite lib. Yeah, I mean, honestly, for any advocate of big government. Forgot the guns. That's true. You do like guns as well. Yeah, I mean, for any big government advocate, your sins are almost unforgivable. My goodness, you're an independent thinker. But the reason why I asked you that question right off the bat is because you, sir, have truly dedicated your life attempting to benefit humanity. Uh, you know, you're a doctor, you're, you're to do no harm. You're trying to actually save people's lives. And I would say, you know, you're, you're Austrian libertarianism. You know, I applaud you there. I'm a, I'm a, I refer to myself. As a bibliotarian. Uh, you know, you're, you're voting for people that you believe are going to transform the country and give back freedom. These are all part of who you are and really shows the character of you trying to benefit humanity. Well, that's kind of, uh, If you want the backstory on that, my father spent his career educated as an electrical engineer at Stanford, working deep in the belly of the military industrial complex, as did my father-in-law, who never graduated at all, by the way, but rose to become head of Raytheon Special Projects. And that's a separate story, which is to say the Raytheon spook shop. So my dad worked up and down the West Coast during Vietnam War era and subsequently, and was responsible for designing some of the key technology, for instance, used to detonate thermonuclear warfare heads and to enable the bunker buster bombs. And I. really, as a young scholar, as I'm moving through undergraduate, really did not want to find myself in the business of designing weapons of war. I wanted to design and participate in trying to help people be healthier and have better lives. And I'd originally, actually, I'd wanted to be a pediatrician. But then I got. How do I put it? My wife has better words for this. I got enticed into chasing the tale of the beast that we call academia and science. And the rest of that is one chapter of history. But yes, thank you for saying that. And that's very kind. I appreciate that. Once again, that's a first. All right. We're going for first on the program today. You bring up a really interesting point. You say you didn't want to design weapons of warfare. And I'm going to put some words in your mouth and feel free to push back completely if you disagree with what I'm saying. But is that one of the reasons why you felt compelled to bring to the attention to Americans, really to the world, the dangers surrounding mRNA? So the honest, because that's my brand, right, is transparency and integrity. And I would love to say, oh, I had this grand concept that I'm going to do this wonderful thing. No, the truth is. number one, in for a penny, in for a pound. Once you start down this pathway and they defenestrate you, then what do you have to lose? But the trigger that started this was that I had been trained in medical ethics, which anybody that does clinical research has to take that training on a regular basis, typically biannually. And So there are certain core principles associated with the discipline of medical ethics. And this has to do with the Nuremberg Accord, the Belmont Report, etc. These basic principles of the rights, particularly of research subjects, not just patients, but the rights of research subjects, which are also patients if you're doing clinical research. And what I saw was a You know, I could tell that this was a very weaponized environment. And I was a little taken aback and intimidated by what was going down. I remember being deeply fearful during the early days in COVID because various things had come to me that I knew about. And I could tell that, you know, our first book, Jill and myself, about how to prepare and protect yourself from the novel coronavirus. It didn't have a name then. was censored. It was taken off of Amazon, which is a little bit of a shock. This is a program where we're going to use clean language, so I won't go deeper than that, but shock is one. Way to put it. So I knew that things weren't right, and I knew that speaking out was going to be a risk, but I thought that Speaking. Out about medical ethics, that was just so clear-cut that who could possibly object to that? And just for somebody pointing out in one of the first essays on Trial Site News that this was not okay. This was an experimental medical product. Now, shortly after that, I started promoting the idea that this was fundamentally a gene therapy and that they should be applying the regulatory affairs rules guidance for gene therapies, which includes, by the way, investigations of shedding. So if they had followed their own guidance, then we wouldn't be having all this shedding ongoing controversy because we. Would have the data, in theory. So I started speaking out about the medical ethics, wrote about it. That triggered a cascade of things, and Among those was that people, the official channels, let's say, coming from the government in particular, and also from pharma, regarding this technology were just remarkably poor. I almost said another word. And trying to keep it clean here, remarkably poor and In the absence of effective communication from approved subject matter experts, because none of the approved experts really know dilly squat about RNA technology. And so all they could give was generalizations, the Paul Offits, et cetera. Matter of fact, Paul Offit has made a number of statements that are just blatantly wrong as it relates to the tech. So So in the face of that, people were like, oh, there's this guy. You know, he knows something about this. He's not in the narrative. Maybe we could talk to him. And that snowballed. And, of course, the big event, kind of the one-two punch, was the Brett Weinstein podcast, Dark Horse podcast, which I thought was something akin to the dark web. It shows how much I knew back then. And with Steve Kirsch. And then There was the big kahuna with Joe Rogan and surprisingly preceded within a couple of days before that interview with getting deplatformed from X and LinkedIn. I'm still permanently banned from LinkedIn, by the way. So that's the truth. As I said, in for a penny, in for a pound. And people would ask me questions and I would just answer them as truthfully as I could. And that was a sin also. We were talking about sins early on. And that was just not acceptable because I wasn't regurgitating the accepted narrative as promoted by St. Fauci at all. But I was just speaking. From my own experience and knowledge base and saying, this is what I know as somebody who's been trained in and taught pathology to medical students for years, taught molecular biology at the university and medical school level, written all these papers, had all these patents and certificates. And blah, blah, blah. And I just said, this is the way I see it. And that in and of itself was a revolutionary act, apparently. Telling the truth always is. You bring up ethics in medicine, and I'm actually a former EMT, so nowhere near to your level, but patients always have. You have to go through the same kind of training, for sure, in terms of the ethics. I did. Yes, absolutely. And a patient always has the right of refusal. And so we. Saw something really unprecedented during COVID. It was these mandates and I mean, Dr. Malone, you can, I mean, I'm sure you'll agree with me. The patient, even if it's saline that you're trying to give them, they have the right to refuse that. And we saw something completely flipped on its head. You have the obligation to obtain informed consent and to completely answer any questions that they may have about that intervention before they make an informed decision, because that's the nature of informed consent, is they get the right to ask you any questions. And you have the obligation to answer them. Amen. I mean, so well said. And so what we saw during COVID, I mean, if to anybody who loves freedom, anybody who loves America, uh, really just humanity, we saw something that I never dreamed in my lifetime. I would ever experience the medical tyranny that we did during the COVID years. And yet, uh, as we look back in time, uh, now that maybe we're seeing through a glass darkly, or maybe the scales have come off our eyes. But as we look back through time, we find numerous examples that are. Adjacencies or are earlier. Versions of what we've all experienced in this weaponized fear with an authoritarian edge to it that was deployed here, which, by the way, for somebody like you, who's a, you know, some aspect of your activities here is being a professional commentator. And for me as an author, analyst. It's just a rich library of information and examples. And it's the gift that keeps on giving. I gave a. Broadcast earlier to a podcaster out of the UK, and I used the metaphor of the Timex watch commercials. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking. And that's kind of The COVID story. You keep thinking that it's going to be over and it's going to peter out and no one is going to listen anymore. And then up pops the Fauci diaries or whatever the latest thing is. And suddenly people are back interested again. It's fascinating. And for me, it's the subject matter of now a couple of additional books that are in progress that And the one that I'm just wrapping up right now is called The Grift that uses the metaphor of grifting to analyze what happened during COVID. It's remarkably powerful, that metaphor, because we had multiple layers of grifting and grifters of different categories. It doesn't require conspiracy theory. There isn't a Klaus Schwab puppet master theory. controlling all these people, let alone Tony Fauci. But the incentives that have been built up over decades have resulted in a system that even if you take out the, you know, certain individuals that we could name, the system and its structure and incentives will remain and it will guarantee that we will be subjected to more weaponized fear in order to produce both political and economic outcomes. And we've seen multiple recent examples about it. I mean, I reel back just a little wise. Hantavirus? Oh, my God. We're all going to die. And then it was a part of that was on our side, on the right. oh, that must be an engineered pathogen. That must be a laboratory gain-of-function research product. No, it's just hantavirus. It's the way hantavirus behaves. Hantavirus is transmitted in rodent feces. Rodent feces and rodents in general have been associated with ships for millennia. There's nothing here that is particularly surprising or alarming. Oh, good heavens. That that one raised a bit of a storm. And then, of course, we. Had the the the technical term anthropomorphic climate change, human caused. And that turns out to be another fear scam. And then the latest one we have right now that we've written a few essays about is artificial intelligence. And behind artificial intelligence is the prospects of the Terminator Skynet experience, which merges into, of course, the experience of the Matrix. And it all becomes one great big future dystopia science fiction novel, which we have been primed to respond to with fear and which is the most powerful human emotion. So that's a short walk through a 11,000, or is it 100? I think it's well over 100,000 word book now. So you got that for free. And myself and the audience appreciates that. And I agree with your assessment of where we're heading just as a society. Uh, we do seem to be primed to, uh, to live in a dystopian society. I think we might be closer to idiocracy than anything else. Uh, but, uh, and, and that's really quite a shame actually. I want to ask you about this though. You've been so. Heavily involved with the Maha movement and I got to tell you, uh, Dr. Malone, um, I didn't vote for Trump in 16. I didn't vote for Trump in 20. I voted for him finally in 24. But it was more of the MAHA movement that actually got me to finally pull the trigger on that. It wasn't necessarily the MAGA movement. So I'm big on this. I'm big on health freedom. I'm big on medical freedom. But what do you see for the future of the vaccine industry? Because there's a lot of people, and I'll throw myself under the bus here. I'm suspicious of all vaccines now. I mean, my just... standard is now, nope, don't want it. Yeah. The default setting. Unless absolutely necessary, no. And I used to, I really like just to touch on your stance. I like to remind people that a couple of things, examples. If they were living in West Africa, or. Now Democratic Republic of Congo, in an environment in which Ebola is rapidly spreading, the Ebola vaccine that's out there. Is a wicked, nasty piece of work. I know. I was involved in developing it. It is super reactogenic. And people that take it talk about feeling like they got beaten up with a baseball bat, particularly their joints. And yet, if you were faced with the imminent prospect of being affected with Ebola, I guarantee you would line up around the block to take that darn thing. Likewise, another example, in Brazil, where I did a brief stint long ago for the Gates-funded NGO called PATH. And So I in that context, I toured various vaccine centers for I never I've never talked about this before. So this is a first. So I toured various vaccine centers that were interested in doing some work with the Gates Foundation and got to learn a lot more about the realities of Brazilian vaccination campaigns. By the way, they don't vaccinate anybody for flu. It's an optional thing. You can go get it. You know, rich people pay for it. Some of them do, but it's not like it's mandated or anything. But yellow fever is mandated. And I like to use the example, yellow fever, the wolf is at the door in Brazil. It kills people. And the vaccine is so nasty. There were stories when I was in Brazil doing this diligence of people When they would do a yellow fever campaign, they would have long lines, like you remember the images of the polio vaccine campaign here in the States. They would have long lines in civic areas of people queuing up to get their jab. And let's say there is a population in Brazil, very large, that is undereducated, is a kind way to put it. So they would. go through the line, get their jab, and then get back in line because they figured that two is better than one. And yellow fever vaccine is a live attenuated vaccine. What that means is it's a real virus. It's just been not through gain of function, except for kind of like old school gain of function of what's called serial passaging. The yellow fever vaccine is yellow fever. It gives you a little bit of yellow fever, but it is attenuated through passaging so that it doesn't kill you and it doesn't. Give you a bad yellow fever infection. You get a little yellow fever infection. But if you go back and take another dose, you will get full on yellow fever and it could well kill you. And that has been documented as having in Brazil. So that's the way, you know, I think that it's important in talking about vaccines to that there are some contexts where you will run, not walk, to receive a product, even if it is a nasty piece of work, which both of these vaccines are. It's all about risk-benefit. And that's the real lie with the COVID story, is that the risks of SARS-CoV-2 for the vast majority of individuals. Were way overstated. And The safety of the interventions, number one, early treatment was suppressed, and we're still not to the. Bottom of why that was done. And part of it, I think, let me just take a tangent. Having thought about this a lot, why was early treatment suppressed? From my own personal experience as somebody who was working hard to identify compounds and agents that were effective and really led the charge for famotidine. What I ran. Into was at FDA and NIH in particular. And Dr. Malone, I apologize. I got to pause you. We got a hard break real quick. 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I had to cut him off. He was talking about COVID and how. The risk benefits, how the benefits for the COVID vaccine were projected in such a way to make it to where the vast majority of people just accepted it without asking questions. Dr. Malone, please continue. So the question is, why were the early treatments suppressed? And one hypothesis, we're going to talk about hypotheses because we don't actually have the information to prove anything. One hypothesis is because of the various clauses in federal statutes like the PREP Act. That if there was. A countermeasure, that's the technical term, which is to say a therapy or a prophylactic that was effective against the virus SARS-CoV-2 in preventing significant disease or death, then that would not allow the justification for the emergency use authorization for, say, the vaccines. And that's a separate rabbit hole. That's one hypothesis. And both, all these things can be true at the same time. Another one is that I lived, so this is lived experience. What I ran into at FDA and NIH was this bias that the only things that would be effective in terms of therapeutic countermeasures would be something that was an antiviral. It had to be a direct acting antiviral. And if it was some intervention, like say dexamethasone or famotidine or a number of other things, if it was something that was acting to influence your body's homeostasis or adjustment or overreaction to the virus, then it couldn't possibly be effective. It had to be an antiviral that would inhibit viral replication. Otherwise, they weren't interested in talking about it. And that reflects a fundamental bias that had been propagated all the way. Through the government. By the likes of Tony Fauci, that if it didn't meet that criteria, then it should not be allowed to even be investigated. And that, I think, right there is responsible to the extent that we did have excess deaths compared to, let's say, a more severe influenza season. It can be traced back to these biases associated with high-profile academic thought leaders that were allowed to dominate the decision-making and the conversations. So the whole sordid affair from soup to nuts, from medical ethics and informed consent through to the treatment protocols that we were allowed to use. And if you didn't comport with the allowed protocol or narrative, then if you were a medical practitioner, you would lose your license and be subjected to all this coordinated derision that in part was manufactured by the CDC. That's a whole other story about how that was done. And the shots heard around the World Organization and others that specifically targeted anybody that was saying things on the Internet that got flagged by the federal government one way or another. It's a bizarre time. And talk about freedom. It went right down the trash can, or the garbage disposal might be a better metaphor. And we learned a whole lot about the government. And I got to tell you that in the middle of all this, at the advice of Jeffrey Tucker, as we were watching Javier Millie rise in Argentina, and I started hearing about this new thing, anarcho-capitalism. It sounds very threatening, kind of like the Dark Horse podcast. Yeah. As anarchism is, as part of the word. And that has to be a bad thing. So I asked Jeffrey Tucker to advise me on this. And what was this anarcho-capitalism? And he told me that there was this guy that is associated with the Mises Institute that produced a book called The Anatomy of the State. And I ought to read this book. And it turned out. That that guy was not only the author of Anatomy of the State, but also Jeffrey Tucker's mentor. And I read the book. It took me about three hours. And I have never seen politics of the world or the state or government in the same way ever since. And the one thing that really got into my noodle that COVID seemed to validate was was the thesis that the courts don't exist to inform or. Ensure that we have the rule of law. The courts exist to legitimize and defend the state. They're not there for you. They're for the state. And when you kind of get that into your head, And I've mentioned this to lawyers, and at first they're like. Oh, no, no, no, that's not the way it is. And then they. Think about it, and, you know, like the next time I meet them, they're like, yeah, I know, there's a lot of merit to that. So it's, you know, you can't have gone through COVID with your eyes open and come out the other side the same person, I don't think. I would agree 100% with that. And as an open libertarian, I just want to thank you for joining our side. You know, we're pretty cool. We're on the side of liberty, we're on the side of freedom, and we have cookies as well. You know, I've shared this story before, but I want to share it with you. I like movies, sir. And so oftentimes, if I'm watching a movie, and I'm unsure of the bad guy, you know, and there's a lot of movies like this. And You're kind of like, he seems a little dark. I'm not entirely sure. But then oftentimes they'll show them abuse an animal. Like you're like, oh, there it is. He just kicked a puppy. He is definitely the bad guy. I felt like when we realized that Dr. Fauci, who we brought up a number of times on the show, when we realized that he was doing gain of function against beagle puppies, having slant fleas literally eat at their flesh, like that was the sign, guys. There's the bad guy. He's right in front of you. Yeah, and what was amazing about that was that the prelude to that was Bobby's book on the real Anthony Fauci that accurately described the bizarre experimentation on children, I think it was in New York, that had no parents, that were in these various homes. that were subjected to AZT treatments in a way that is totally undefensible in terms of ethics. And he emerged scot-free from that. I've had my personal experiences over my entire career with Tony Fauci. The man is, I could, I could spout out some diagnostic terms, but I'm not a licensed practitioner of the mental health discipline, so I'm. Going to hold that back. But he fits a number of classic criteria, and so do many leaders and executives in American culture and really throughout the world. There's something about our. Culture that's dark in that it's selecting people with these characteristics. And that's another reason to follow the Christian faith, as far as I'm concerned, is that the teaching, I believe, if it's practiced, and Anthony Fauci will tell you, you know, he's been to the Pope multiple times. He's a high status Catholic, but is he a Christian? I hope he's a forgiven one, if that's the case, because he's certainly seems to me to be somebody who needs forgiveness. Yeah, pleading the fifth doesn't work when you're standing. Before God. I'll just throw that out there. It's not going to work. You might want to try a different tactic, Fauci, if you're listening or happen to listen to this program. Continuing on with. The discussion about vaccines, and sir, I feel like Part of America's DNA is to be distrustful of the government. That's really the core of who we are, who we were supposed to be. And so now that we've experienced COVID, and I've said for a long time on this program that COVID had a lot of silver linings, and perhaps the biggest one was how many people actually woke up and started to question things as they saw that churches had to be closed, but liquor stores could be open. It didn't really compute. It didn't make sense to people. And so- I see this, this actual, uh, a pretty big awakening from the American public. Is there ever a way for. The government or perhaps better said, uh, the medical community to regain the trust post COVID? Hmm. Uh, well, we were touching on Maha earlier, uh, that, uh, I have been, uh. I was defenestrated from that too, uh, for posting a tweet, uh, That was my sin on that one. So you would think that the Maha movement might have been a pathway forward for that type of rebuilding. And certainly there are various organizations that seek to bring back legitimacy to the practice of medicine and the Independent Medical Alliance, IMA, which is an outgrowth of the FLCCC that some from COVID era may remember. They're trying to do that. Simone Gold is trying to do that with Gold Care. There's a number of, and it's not all physicians that were unwilling to question the narrative or speak out. I happen to be among the more high profile ones as an accident of something that I did when I was 28 years old. But There are many that have, but there are many, many more who didn't and who have actively denied what many of us assert is the truth. And I noticed a post from Ed Dowd just today looking back into the data regarding disability claims associated with both the UK and the US databases. which claims and which problems seem to continue to increase. So can you have a rebirth of trust in a system that appears to have been, at least through many eyes, including my own, just irretrievably damaged? And the only way that that could happen, or let me put it this way, staying true to, trying not to speculate, but just referring to known facts. When you've had situations. Like this in, for instance, the Stasi in East Germany is an example, and there are many others, where you've had a concerted effort by the part of some organization associated with a government, that has proven to be extremely harmful to the general populace. And there's been some sort of governmental turnover. In order to reestablish a functional relationship between the state and the populace, often there's a truth and reconciliation process that is implemented. And that comes in a variety of different flavors. At the root of all of it is some sort of acknowledgement that harm was done and that misdeeds were done. And then there's various flavors of, well, bad things happened, but we're not going to hold anybody accountable. We're going to have a general amnesty for everybody because otherwise society can't function. Is one version of that. But some sort of a truth and reconciliation process seems to be essential, and there has been none. There is no resolution, no acknowledgment, active denial, continuing. Efforts to gaslight and suppress. Ron Johnson is kind of the poster child for being a voice in the wilderness. Rand Paul is. Um, closer to, uh, um, uh, truth and, and, and transparency, but only in certain domains. Uh, he's, he avoids the vaccine story pretty religiously. Uh, and so it goes. So I think that, uh, absent any acknowledgement event, uh, and a, uh, some sort of a mea culpa on the part of key figures in this cascade that we have seen, then for the fraction of the population that is part of this new counterculture of folks that are extremely distrustful of the government, consequent to what they've experienced. I don't see. Those folks coming around unless there is something like a reconciliation commission or activity, and for good reason. But the question is, how big is that cohort? Because for the likes of you and I that have been living in it, It's really easy to tell ourselves the story that we are representing the majority or a very large minority. But when you look at it through other lenses, polling, et cetera, and. Things like the fraction of the electorate that, like you, identify Maha as pivotal in their decisions in the last vote, which, by the way, a big cohort of. That was what are called Zoomers. These are our current young cohort. A lot of those people voted for Trump, but they have turned away. That's the biggest swing group in terms of the polling is the decline in support by the Zoomers. And effectively, they voted for Mondavi. I'm Mondavi, whatever his name is, the current mayor of New York. And so they seem to be party shopping. And they are increasingly disenchanted with what the Democrat and Republican parties are offering them. And they are a large enough cohort. They're probably going to determine the next general election one way or another. but nobody has offered them a solution. I wrote a, together with Jill, we wrote a substack about this that you would find encouraging, in which we basically said, the Zoomers will decide, this was pretty much the headline, Zoomers will decide the next election. Neither party is offering them anything. And then, or is offering them the solution to their problem And then I went on to make the case that the solution was a decentralized libertarian push rather than the current division of power and consensus between the two political parties that aren't really independent. I mean, that is music to my ears, sir. I absolutely love that. And it is a solution. And perhaps we can, as Americans, come to a point where where the Republican or the Democrat party end up like the Whig party of old. You know, they aren't established. They aren't set in stone. They can lose their power and they can be replaced with something more appropriate. If you're a constitutionalist, the founders did not want this two-party system. They were specifically against it. And I think that. Our wedge here, our window of opportunity is, as is always the case, reaching out to the youth, And I know you were active in Charlie Kirk's organization. I think that that, you know, Charlie was brilliant. He never wore it on his sleeve. He didn't claim any particular academic titles or backgrounds. He just had a powerful native intelligence and understanding of the electorate and the role of the United States in world history. And his loss, I think we. Will mourn for the. You and I at least, as opposed to Candace, who seems to find it a business opportunity. But I think that we ought to focus on that Zoomer cohort and see what we can do to help them see that they're not being served by the current system. I think those are incredibly wise words. Now, we've actually gone a little bit over. I apologize for holding you a little bit, but I want to make sure as we're closing out here that we pitch your website because it's a great website. Number one, ladies and gentlemen. There's some really fun memes on this website. And so Chris is going to bring this up, malone.news. And you can see that the website has a whole slew of different things, a lot of the articles you've written. But, sir, just take a few minutes here and tell people why they should visit your website. Well, thank you. The reason that your viewers and listeners should do it is because I think it will help them make sense of the world. That's the only reason to absorb any kind of media. Is, is it helpful? And I argue that the question to ask yourself is this, that if I'm taking time out of my day to listen to or read something, is it enriching me in some way? Is it making my life better? Is it allowing me to better understand the nature of the world so that I can be a better father, partner, citizen? Whatever. And I hope that what you will find, whether you subscribe as a paid subscriber or as a free subscriber. Both are available. The only thing that differentiates the two is if you want to participate in the chat, which is quite an active community in all these, then we ask that you pay. And in part, that is what sustains us, just like your donations and sponsors sustain you In our case, we have a decentralized network of paid subscribers that make it so that we aren't beholden to anybody. If somebody who's paying me five bucks a month decides that they hate me because I posted five essays about Israel and they want to unsubscribe, more power to them. It doesn't really impact on me and And I wish them well. But if you don't have that nickel a month to spend, and many don't, many of our subscribers are elderly, and an argument can be they're the only ones that read anymore. And they don't have the wherewithal. But what the paid thing firewall does in terms of the chat is it keeps the bots and the trolls and all that negativity out because generally those people don't want to spend five bucks a month. And so it makes a more clean, friendly space. And frankly, when we end up with people occasionally that violate that kind of community ethic and they start getting nasty to others, We just say thank you very much and give them their money back. So that's that one. And then, so feel free to subscribe. It'll come straight to your. Inbox if you want. And if you want to pay, thank you very much. I will, we, Jill and I treat this as a business. We produce content on a daily basis, sometimes up to two essays a day, usually in the 1500 to 2500 word range, which is a lot of work. We get up at 530 in the morning, start talking about topics and doing some investigations and start writing. And that's kind of usually about half our day. But we we consider our paid subscribers, especially our customers, and we treat them with respect and thank them for their time. So that extends to your listenership. And then, of course, there's the books. Homesteading for Health, which we haven't even hardly touched on, and Lies My Government Told Me, and Cywar, for your audience, is something they may particularly enjoy reading in that it really goes deep into the propaganda, modern propaganda technology and how it's been deployed. And increasingly, it's almost out of date because now with AI, All of those things are on hyperdrive. Sure. And you also have the Grift book coming out as well. Yeah. So the three that are in the queue is the Grift. We now have a publisher. I need to sign that agreement today. And I'm not going to announce it until both sides have signed it. And we're finishing up that manuscript with Jill and a colleague of ours. And then Rob Nelson is his name. He does, he's a former Fox interviewer. Then we have another one called The Chronic Rebellion that is pretty mature as a manuscript. It's basically the arc of history of Maha. And Maha is a populist movement and how it relates to American populism historically and where that is likely to go. And I'm sorry to say that the predictions that we made six to nine months ago are pretty much coming on perfectly, which is a little sad. And then the other one that's out there at a publisher for consideration is titled The Israeli Frontier. And that's the product of our observations from touring Israel for a week in visiting Judea, Samaria, the Gaza frontier. And it's written to help particularly conservative Americans, understand the reality of what is faced in Israel and what their successes and failures have been and the challenges and paradoxes that they find themselves in as they are surrounded by neighbors that literally want to kill them. And what it does, because it's written for American conservatives, is it takes the history of the American frontier, both from the eastern seaboard all the way through the desert southwest, and analyzes how American law and practice were implemented as America was settling its frontier and then compares that to the challenges that Israel faces with its frontier states, with very hostile. Surrounding neighbors. And it's surprising how well those apply. And it's one of the things that really struck me in Israel was when I visited the Gaza frontier in toured one of the kibbutzes that was right at the forefront of being overrun and visited the Nova rave site where that attack happened and spoke to people that were there at the time and listened to their stories, I became, frankly, I was furious. I could well understand the bloodlust of wanting to just go in and kill. And Yet, I was fascinated by the response of Israel. Everybody says they're engaging in genocide. I disagree, and we could go into that. But they have been remarkably restrained, in my opinion. If you had experienced a 20-mile incursion into a little narrow state like Israel— With that kind of bloodlust that had been deployed, imagine if this had happened at the Mexican border, how the United States would have responded. And I guarantee that it would have been a lot more forceful than anything we've seen in Gaza. So I think it's really useful to kind of remember back in our history what we experienced and what that was like at the frontier and then try to project that into the reality of what Israel currently confronts. Well, you certainly, yeah, I mean, you have books that make people think and contemplate things. And so I appreciate your writings. I've read a couple of your books. I'll read these ones as well. And we'll definitely have to have you back on. I really appreciate you staying a little bit longer to talk with the audience and myself. 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