Church & State - Unforeseeable with Author Jeff Jones

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Lastly, if you want to get ahold of us Church and State seventeen seventy six at Proton dot mean. And with that, let's go ahead and start this episode. Now, I'm bringing on Jeff Jones. He's the author of Unforseeable. He's also a military veteran, was in intelligence, has also worked with police departments, so in the more of the intelligence networks, and this book, which he sent me and I literally read in a night, was phenomenal, and I knew I had to have him on the show. Jeff, thank you for joining us on Church and State. Thank you for having me really considered an honor. Well, thank you. I appreciate that very much. So right off the bat, let's just dive into this and what made you want to write a book? Is this your first book or have you written other books? Actually, this is my first published work. And it all started probably about two ish years ago. I was sitting at the end of you know, church service and just thinking about, you know, about the message about the world that's going on around us, and just had suddenly had this just something in me decided, you know, I've always been told, you know, back when I was a kid, that I was reasonably good at at telling telling a story. And so just at the end of at the end of church, I put my head down and I asked the Lord, I said, you know, I've always been told I'm pretty good at telling the story. So if please, if you if you can use me as your tools, as your conduit, you know, please, I would love to. And then I said, you know, just consider me. You know. It's like like Isaiah said, here I am send you. And a couple of weeks later, this this story started popping into my head, and I is kind of odd because it was less of the story as it was almost like a movie playing in my mind, and just I knew it was something I had to get written down and started writing it down and eventually I ended up with Unforseeeable. Which is, like I said in the beginning, which is honestly a phenomenal book. Now, I don't want to confuse my audience. They might be looking at you and going, this guy is clearly a Calvinist because of the beard, but no, you are a Catholic brother. We were joking, I'm a Lutheran, so we might just randomly like kind of glare at each other during the interview. But you know I'm teasing, ladies and gentlemen, we are brothers in Christ. And I got to tell you, probably my favorite C. S. Lewis book is The Screwtape Letters. Absolutely love that. It's to put yourself in that mindset. I can't really fathom how C. S Lewis was able to do that, but when I was reading this, I picked up a little bit on that. Is that accurate? Yes, actually see the CS Lewis classic Screwtape Letters was a heavy influence on writing this book. And as I was writing it. As I was the various ideas were coming into my mind. I actually came up with the thought. The thought popped into my head, what if C. S. Lewis were alive today because see it, Screwtape Letters is kind of almost like a commentary on society of his time. And so I was like, what kind of things would C. S. Lewis kind of pick out and point out and say hey, this is not right, And it just it kind of came out, you know, organically, almost like a C. S. Lewis type type genre. For lack of a better term, Yeah, well I definitely picked up on that. So let's go into the book a little bit. And I'm not going to reveal, you know, some of the secrets in the book. I want people to pick this up and you can do it on Amazon and we'll share that in a little bit. But basically, in the beginning, we're introduced to a character, an individual who, well, for lack of a better word, let's just say he's very woke and and he happens to meet an individual in a bar and they start to have this conversation and and and take it away from there, sir. Okay, uh, Stephen, he's as you said, some would probably describe him as woke. His end of a of a long hard day, he's at his local drinking establishment and he's venting about the world is venting about you know, you know, conservatives and Republicans and the whole right side of the of the spectrum. And he gets this voice off to the side just kind of chimes in, seems to agree. So they sit, they talk a little bit. They seem to to agree a lot as far as like, you know, message and ideology. And then Stephen he uh he he utters the line. Several people have uttered al throughout history. You know, I wish they would invent time travel because there's some stuff I'd like to go back and change. Well, the kind of goes, I don't know, Well, what if I told you I've got a friend who can arrange that. And Steven's kind of he's apprehensive at first, but they talk. He's like, okay, yeah, that's let's do this. And so he and the stranger they go back in time. Not not we're not talking like world altering stuff, just few few moments in what appears to be Stevens you know, within Steven's lifetime, would probably you could probably say, and the three events, three situations, and Steven changes things based on his woke ideology, and they come back. Steven's all excited. Then he realizes things have changed a little more than he expected, and so he spends the rest of the book trying to come to grips with trying to you know, scream and argue, wanting everything to be put back the way it was. Yeah, I absolutely love that, and I love how you did this because most people, I mean, maybe there's some I don't know, maybe there's some some on the female side that are like time travel, but every guy who reads this is like, yeah, time travel, Like if I could time travel, absolutely right, every one of us is like, sign me up for it. But then instead of like and you would definitely see this within more of the woke side, you know, like I'm gonna go back and kill Hitler. You know, like this seems to be a common theme. You know, Hitler especially, never Stalin, never Maw, I never lean In, I never Pole pot Right, none of none of these guys, because those guys were communists and they're acceptable, but always Hitler, of course, But in this case you have them go back and change what the world would deem relatively benign scenarios. You know. He goes in and really it hits three different areas within his lifetime, and he feels very, very good about this, Like every single time, I like how you write this in the book. He feels so positive, Like he gets back into that limo that's the time travel device. It's not a DeLorean Ladies and gentlemen, it's a limo in this case. But he gets back in there and he's just so pleased with himself that he altered this specific event, not realizing the ramifications that it's going to have. Yeah, and it's one of it's It's part of the message I tried to get across is people don't realize how some of the smallest things that happen throughout life can have some of the just seismic effects in their lives. I mean personal story for me, I you know, this is thirty plus years ago. I seemed like I couldn't find a good job where I was living at in Indiana, and I was like, you know what, I'm just you know, I'm going to go back to South Carolina, you know, gonna you know, spend some time with my dad and going into the military. And so went did that and while I was getting ready, I was waiting and getting ready to go to to basic training, went to work for a small amusement park right here in this area. And while I was working there, I met this young lady and you know, clearly one of the greatest blessings God that has ever given me. We ended up getting married and we've been married for over thirty one years now. It's small little things like that. I do have to ask why you would ever move from South Carolina to Indiana, because I've been to South Carolina, and fans of this show know that I adore that state. I want to move to that state. Indiana is where I was originally born. Okay, there we go. That's where a lot of my family is. Okay, all right, so that makes sense. I understand that. But yeah, I do love South Carolina in particular. So going back to the book, you know, these these small repercussions, he doesn't realize how much they've changed until he gets back into his own timeline. And I, like I said, I don't want to give anything away, but you introduce a number of really incredible stories into the book. One of the ones that I absolutely love. Uh, the issue of abortion comes up in the book, and you know, you lead people through the path of was it was it Beethoven? I believe. Yes, and it's if you're when you read the book, you'll kind of see the foreshadowing because in the very beginning of the book, when Steven is talking to this stranger, you know, everybody's smartphone, they've got different like notifications for different things. Well, in this particular case, Stephen his smartphone goes off and it's the the opening notes of Beethoven's you know, Aid Symphony. And so it's later on where you know, where the he's talking to the stranger, and the strangers like, okay, you know, you talk about how you know you should have abortion because there is these situations where, you know, where a child is born into just abject poverty. You know, they have a horrible life ahead of them, and it would be it would be the humane thing to do to do an abortion at that point, and the stranger says, you do realize that those are the very same conditions that Beethoven was born into, and so it kind of triggers into the into the reader's mind where okay, well, if that abortion had occurred, then we would have never known Beethoven's you know, musical genius. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right, and if memory serves me correctly, I mean, this is a Beethoven was born into a family where most of the previous children had died early on. There was disease. I think the mother or the father had some STDs. I mean, it was it was a bad situation. His mother had an active STD at the time of his birth. He was the I believe, the eighth child she had had two of which didn't make it beyond uh, you know, beyond labor. And it was just a very difficult situation that he was born into. Yet look what he went out to become. And that's the question, right And for me, as somebody who firmly believes in life begins a conception and that the abortion is in fact murder, I can't help but imagine all of these children who were butchered in the womb and what they could have contributed to society, what they could have created. And I love that in the book you bring that up, You bring up Beethoven, who's a known factor here, But how many of the unknowns who thankfully are in heaven, but who just had their lives squashed before they before it really could even begin, right. I mean, who who knows one of one of any number of abortions in the recent past, could have been someone who you know, solved the mystery of you know, of caring cancer, but we don't know. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right, cured cancer. Uh, created new technologies. I mean, there's there's so many scenarios out there, and yet we as society have determined that we can play god u through through this horrific Uh. I don't even want to call it a medical procedure, but I mean that's what they do, is this butchering of kids. And we've been playing gone with that and we've literally destroyed so many people, and not just the infants the innocent, but also the mothers and the fathers. Because if you really drill down into this issue, it really affects those who have engaged in abortion practices. And it's it's well known medically that one of the biggest risks that a woman goes through when she has an abortion is there's a heavy, a very high risk of complications that would result in her never having kids again. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. Plus they've also linked certain specific cancers to how many abortions you've had, So there are a lot of things that you know, the pro choice advocates I pass and personally, I believe it's because they have this desire, this almost blood sacrifice, if you will, that they want to engage in. I think I think that's part of it. But to me, I've always felt because you know, as you mentioned, and retired military intelligence analyst of you know, studying human behavior patterns and human behavior for well over twenty years, and I think that it is more of a more of a case of they think they know better, They think they know better than God, they know better, you know, they know what that child could eventually not become. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. In fact, I believe it was C. S. Lewis who talked about the tyranny of those who believe that they're doing the right thing, and that he would prefer the Robert Baron whose appetite he might finally, you know, be suppressed, or he might finally have enough he sleeps. But the people who believe that they're doing the right thing, they will terrorize you night and day for your own good. And I think that's exactly what you're talking about there. Pro drivers live. For race day, but for small business owners, every day is race day. That's why glling pro with Lenovo Pro matters one on one advice, it solutions, and customized hardware powered by Intel Core Ultraprocessors. Keep your business on the right track. Business goes pro with Lenovo Pro. Sign up for free at Lenovo dot com slash pro. Vo. My baby always comes first. 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So let's go back into the book here, and because you had a number of and I hope you don't mind sharing this, but you actually asked me this question specifically some hidden gems in here, and you would ask me if I had picked up on those, can you can you? Do you want to describe that for the audience or do you want them to read the book? I think I think I can. I can touch on at least one of them. As as as I mentioned in the email, as a military intelligence analyst, anytime I write something, it is it is very layered. And that's another thing I've had a lot of people tell me about the book is that it's one of those books that you can read. You can put it down, you can go back and read it, you know, weeks later, and you pick up things you didn't pick the pick up the first time. Well, there's two what I like to call, you know, hidden hidden Christian Easter eggs for lack of a better phrase. And one of them is there's a spot within the book where where Steven is he's getting out of the limo and he's kind of served being what's going on where they're at, and it's outside of the abortion clinic. And in the book it describes as he gets out, he hears what sounds like a very sad, sorrowful song being sung by a partridge. Well, most people when they read that, it just they skip right over it. They don't want to even really pay attention to it. And here's the thing is, if you know your history, your church history, everybody's familiar around Christmas time. Everybody knows the twelve days of Christmas. Well, in the twelve Days of Christmas, the first day is the partridge in a paar tree. Well, when the song was originally written, you know, centuries ago in Germany, the partridge in a pear tree is actually a symbol of Jesus on the cross. And the reason why the partridge was chosen for the song is whenever a partridge is sitting on the nest with its young and it hears a predator nearby, the partridge will actually get out of the nest, will fly off a short distance away, and will either start making sounds like it is injured or will start singing a very sorrowful song like it's lost its mate, and the reason why it does that is it's drawing the predator towards it. It is essentially sacrificing itself for the young, which is why the partridge was chosen in the song, because the partridge symbolizes Christ because of the sacrifice Christ made for all of us. And so the partridge being mentioned in the book was kind of a hint or an homage to that, because it's one of those it's kind of foreshadowing to you, Hey, there's something probably really bad, but to tappen to a young one very soon. I will admit fully that I actually did miss that. I picked up on the other one, which I won't actually talk about because it might ruin some of the mystery to the book. But I did miss the partridge, and you filled me in, and I'm glad you didn't. You. Partridges are a fascinating bird here, and they're not like the wombat over there, which not only poops and squares, but also will throw its babies at predators. So quite the difference there with the animals, one protecting it no matter what, we'll go out and act injured, the other one literally tossing babies at predators, so kind of a kind of an interesting distinction here between Christians as well and perhaps those more on the secular side of things. Exactly. And that was one of those things. And it's I fully admit, and it's something that kind of frustrates my wife about my writing style. Is I tend to put a lot of like, you know, beneath the surface layers in what I write. And she jokingly says, that's you know, that that's the j. R. R. Tolkien in me coming out, because that's a compliment. Messages Oh. She she absolutely agrees. But the the other thing that she she gets a little frustrated with is the other part of Tolkien that I tend to emulate in my writing is I do what's what's called sensory immersion. I try to describe things that it and it's an attempt to get to pull the reader into the story. I describe things that if they're present, what they would see, what they would hear, what they would smell, and it kind of, you know, it's very much a Tolkein tie style, and the attempt is to pull the reader into the story, make them feel like they're physically present right there with the characters. You know, I got to tell you I appreciate that so much. I read pretty much every single night, multiple books, and I like a book that pays attention to that kind of stuff. I like to be pulled into it to where I can feel, I can almost taste and smell the things that are going on in the book. And I did pick up on that when I was reading this book, that I did feel like I was a part of this. And like I said, I read this in literally one night, and you know it's a smaller book, but that being said, I read it in one night because I didn't want to put it down, Like the story really took me there and I wanted to I wanted to see what was going to happen. And you know, as somebody who reads pretty much daily, not all books can do that to me. Some books are a little bit of a struggle sometimes because the book, you know, it's an interesting subject matter and I want to talk about it on the show, like, but sometimes I'm pressing through, like you know, like okay, all right, yeah, I gotta get through this next chapter. I didn't have to do that with you at all. Well, thank you. Yeah, absolutely, Now I wanted to without revealing anything. I want to talk about the ending a little bit. And oh, you just gasped. You do not want to talk about the ending. Oh no, I just just look little little cough eno throat. Okay, gotcha. I told you when you wrote me after I finished the book that I really really liked the ending, and you were You told me you were surprised by that because most people don't. Yes, and it's it's something that uh, and I think that it is indicative of uh. Society today is so much of society. They want everything to be wrapped up in a nice, neat little package, and they want everything to end with and they live happily ever after. And I made it a point not to finish the book this way because, let's be honest, that's that's not reality. That's not the world that we live in. And it was it was one of those. Essentially, what I tried to do was I tried to take everything that the reader had absorbed throughout the course of the story and kind of towards the end, get them to reflect on what they have, what they had read, what had happened in the story, and reflect on themselves and think about, Okay, what would I do in those kind of situations, you know. And one of the big things that the last chapter tries to emphasize is, you know, we as you know, we as Christians. You know, we're we're flawed, sinful creatures, and we're going to make mistakes. The problem where we are different than basically any other religion is we have such an amazing system, such an amazing support system in church that when these types of things happen, we have just an extraordinary amount of people resources, you know, counseling things like that, to help us get through these things and to basically help us get back on that albeit a little more difficult narrow road. Sure, yeah. Now. And a few things that I liked about the ending. Number one, you remember those choose your own Adventure books. It almost left off like that, like, all right, I get to choose you know what happened? It brought in my imagination, what action, what steps did's to even take at the end of the book that we never get to read, right, And I like that. I like being able to use my imagination. The other thing is you almost did like a reversal of every Disney film. You remember, the old Disney films, that we used to watch. Disney must have been a twisted man because Disney, like everything was a tragedy. Like I remember, like every early Disney movie made me cry as a kid. It was like, oh, Bambi's mom, you know, like old yell or what happened your your tragedy was was at the end, whereas Disney is always happily ever after. For you, it was like that that tragedy is right there and we have to deal with the repercussions of it. Now. I'm gonna get your take on that, but we're coming up on that hardbreak. Chris, please show people where they can get this at Amazon. I want you all to order this amazon dot com unforeseeable. You can see it right there. I highly recommend that you pick up this book. And we're gonna come back here in just a second and finish the interview with author Jeff Jones. But there it is, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to be a walking billboard. Some of us don't have platforms such as church and state, but you know what, we can wear T shirts and engage in great conversations with Christians and patriots all across the country. Stand Up Now Apparel is the best T shirts out there. These are American maid owned by a Christian and a patriot, and the material it's like getting a warm hug from yours truly. One of the better things as well, is there's no tags. I hate tags. I know you do as well. 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If you want to continue to see that, please ten dollars twenty dollars a month. It means the world to us, all right, With that, we're going to go back to our guest, Jeff Jones, author of Unforseeable, and Jeff, we'd hit that hard break, but I just kind of throwing something at you to choose your own adventure and the reversal of Disney wrecking us in our childhood. Go ahead, sir. It's when I was thinking about how I wanted to wrap up the story, it was kind of a case of, Okay, I could easily, you know, I could easily make it a very Disney esque type ending where you know, you know, Stephen finds you know, he you know, he he finds everything that he's looking for. You know, everything turns out happy, everything turns out great. But to me, it's more of a case of, like I said, that's that's not reality. One of the things that I and it's I think it's because, you know, considering my professional career, have been through some pretty difficult situations. I feel that when we stand up, when we you know, to use the old phrase, you know, pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, and we acknowledge that there was an issue, acknowledge there was a problem, realize Okay, this is how I probably could have done different it's it actually makes us a better and a stronger person. I mean, think about all the countless people throughout the Bible who just went through absolutely excruciating situations and they came out better on the back end of. It, absolutely And you know that's that's just such a Christian message right there. If if when we decided to become servants of Christ, God just waved a magic wand and every pain that you've ever got experienced in your life is gone, right you never you never did that action, you never, you never saw this whatever it looked like, it's just gone because he sprinkled some fairy dust. Then every person would be a Christian. It'd be like, oh wow, I want what they have, a life of no pain, zero pain whatsoever. Sign me up. Okay, But that's not the reality of it. The reality is is when you come to God, and typically it's when you are at your most broken stage you come to God. God is able to repair that. You still have to deal with the repercussions of your actions, right, we all experience that, whether you're a believer or not, you have to deal with what happened. But ultimately, through a relationship and really submission to Christ, You're going to get to a point where even in the most trying times you can have that joy. And that's my hope. That's that's where my imagination took Stephen, was that he did take those steps and ultimately was able to build a life centered around Christ and he was able to bring joy back into a life. But really it's up to the reader, right. And it's one of those and just just an old war story from from my past. I think that when we make that commitment, when we make that decision to be uh, you know, to to be a believer in Christ, to you know, to be a child of God, then it it actually strengthens us when we are at some of our most difficult situations. And I think back to I was deployed to Iraq, uh this one particular deployment, and I was laying in my bunk. It was like three in the morning. And one of the things that I actually did on that deployment was I did intelligence analysis and you know, statistical analysis, pattern analysis on this organization, this group that kept shooting rockets and mortars at the base. That was my job. And so I was laying there one night, It's like three in the morning, and all of a sudden, I can hear I can hear them starting to attack the base again. And I knew basically what their what their attack pattern was, and so I was listening and I heard the first one. The first one woke me up because they would usually shoot four to five of them at the base at a time. I heard the first one, second one was a little closer, third one was even closer, and then the fourth one was further away. And I'm at no point did I move from my bunk, because I just had this this sense, this feeling that I was I was being watched over, I was being protected. And because I had that sense in me, my my intel brain started kicking in and started analyzing as everything was going on. And it's just one of those things because if you're not if you're not that firm, you're not that your belief is not that strong in you know, in in Christ and God the Father, a situation like that, you're gonna get really scared really quick. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. And I've said this many times on the show, But with what I do with the subject matters that I cover, if I didn't have faith, I would be insane because I am constantly addressing the great evils of this world. And if I didn't believe that there was something, a higher power, a location that I would end up in that would be free of pain and free of really this great evil, then I would lose my mind. And so yeah, I definitely appreciate and understand what you're talking about right there. So what's next. I understand. I understand where you're going what I was just gonna say. I understand where you're going with that, because as with me having, you know, retired military intelligence analyst, I've got, you know, almost a decade work in law enforcement crime analysis. I can't tell you how many reports I've gone through and I have read about some of the worst humanity has to offer. And if you don't have a strong religious anchor, that will very quickly spiral you out of control. Absolutely. I was an EMT for about seven and a half years. I've seen a lot of really, really rough, rough things, and I've seen individuals. I mean, there's a reason why within first responders the suicide rates, alcohol abuse, drug abuse is so high, and it's because of the things that we are constantly seeing on a daily or nightly you know, situation there, and so yeah, I'm glad. I am so thankful that I am a child of God to be able to get through all of that. So what's next, sir? You know, this is your first book. I hope the sales are going well because I recommend it. I think it's a phenomenal book. But are you going to continue writing? Because I know being an author is that's a tough job. It is. Actually, I'm glad you asked because I'm just finishing up right now, because you know, you had mentioned how it seemed like, you know, with each chapter, you know, kind of kind of left you wanting more. Well, I'm just now finishing a short story serial and the story is about a retired military intelligence analyst who he ends up losing his wife in a horrible accident. And essentially what he does is is he you know, turns himself into a self imposed hermit in a decommissioned ICBM silo and becomes a white hat hacker. Well, as he's going through and he's he's doing his work and he's you know, exploring what's out there on the the digital landscape, he finds a series of emails and video snippets and audio snippets of this organization that is actually has direct ties to members of Congress that are trying to completely usurp the constitutional system. So this is nonfiction, Well we'll call it nonfiction. Yeah, yeah, that sounds pretty accurate. But that definitely sounds like a book that I would love to read. I gotta ask when you when you presented this, because I'm sure, just being a married man myself, I'm sure the first person that you're bouncing this off of as your wife, And when you got to the point where you're like, yeah, he loses his wife tragically, did your right wife give you an eyebrow raise, which she's like. Well, she hasn't read the short story Cereal yet. I'm still I'm still fleshing the fleshing the last little bits out. Well, I will pray for you that that conversation goes well. Well, and it's actually it's there's this line is actually used in the Cereal. I've always told her, with you know, with my background in you know, in military intelligence, with you know, crime analysis, all that stuff, I've always told I've told her for years that if anything ever happens to her, I the world is not prepared for me without her. There you go. Yeah, absolutely no, I can definitely understand that. Well, I mean I'm gonna grab mine. Yeah, I mean I I came out with my own book, Political Incontinence. I'm writing two more, and so from a I'm an author to a fellow author, I got to tell you, I understand how difficult it is, how much work you pour into it, and then to see you know, like, oh man, I thought there'd be more sales, you know, I thought more people would be interested. And so I want to recommend once again to my audience, pick up this book, ladies and gentlemen. It is is what nine ninety nine like, that's not expensive. Nine ninety nine for a great book that you will pour through and it will really challenge you. It'll it'll make you look at this and go, man, that could be me, because all of us were sinners at some point. So I really want everybody to go to Amazon. Chris is putting that up there for us one more time. Go to Amazon and get unforeseeable great cover. I like it. It just the cover immediately brings you into the story. And and I just I once again, I'm just going to echo laises and gentlemen by this book. And James, I'd love for you to just kind of close this ount any last words for the audience. Just thank you for the opportunity. I hope everybody picks it up. And like I said, the book is meant to both entertain, but it's also meant to get the reader to think about things, think about themselves, think about the world around them, and what are some what are some ways that should you know if they run into situations like this, how would they respond? Sure? I think that's great. All Right, well, I'm gonna go ahead and close this out, but I thank you again for joining us. Thank you again. Oh absolutely, And if you'd hold on one more minute post production to sayah, goodbyes, i'd appreciate it. But again, great job on the book, and I will definitely be reading your next one, your short story, because that sounds once again like nonfiction because it seems like it's happening. So all right, James, thank you again. All Right, ladies, and tell them there you are a great book. I highly recommend it, and it's one that's going to entertain you, but it's also one that's going to make you think. And as you know on this program. 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