ICFA Conflicted Show Roundtable

[00:00:00] It came from the archives.

[00:00:06] This is like a throwback Prepper's Live with this kind of a loadout we got tonight too. This is good.

[00:00:33] This is the Conflicted Show. We've been talking about it. I don't remember who came up with the idea. Somebody. Probably somebody on tonight. Might have been Dave Jones. I can't quite remember. But Dane D in the past has done Conflicted Shows with Miles from Archangel Dynamics. They're a whole lot of fun. I thought it'd be a good idea maybe to get everybody on. As many of us as we can muster and have fun with it.

[00:01:01] So tonight we got Ryan with us from The Next Generation. We got Dave Jones, the NBC guy. We got Aiden Tate with us for his first live appearance on The Prepper Broadcasting Network, isn't it? I didn't even think of that. But we have, and we got Jordan. Jordan. MIA. Back for a bit of Prepper's Live.

[00:01:26] I feel like a little bit of a drug dealer because I think dragging her back into it is going to get her hooked once again. But we'll see. Okay, so I was going to go around and do a round introduction, but I think I'd rather just say what's up to all you guys. How is everyone doing out there in your part of the world?

[00:01:51] We're leaning heavily Virginian right now, I guess, but we've got some representation from other places. So what has happened in the Pacific Northwest, Ryan? How are things? Well, things are good up here. I've been going like crazy trying to double and triple down on the garden this year. So just trying to stay ready and do what I can do. I've actually been scoring big time on firewood.

[00:02:18] I've been able to snag a couple of cords of maple and elm for free. Free? Free? Yeah. You have to go pick it up or what? What's the catch? The cost is I have to go pick it up and haul it. Well, that ain't too bad. The bug out vehicle is getting its stripes. That's good.

[00:02:42] But, you know, this wood will probably be good for next year and then kind of stockpiling other stuff here and there. And just kind of plugging away, getting ready for the next round of chaos. We'll see what happens. What comes next, right? Yep. Dave Jones, what's happening to your neck of the woods, man? How are you? Well, I'm doing great. Can you hear me? I can hear you.

[00:03:11] Well, I just got back from that trip to Ohio. Yeah, great content, by the way. Well, thanks. There was a lot of great preppers there. I'm telling you, they are hungry for this knowledge. And they did different stuff. They got the local fire department to do pancake breakfast, which was really great.

[00:03:37] And then the police auxiliary had a food truck there, so they were able to raise some money. Local bands came in and played Friday and Saturday night. It was very nice. Very nice time. Great time. Oh, okay. Well, that sounds like a good time. Yep. And Maria was here taking care of the goats.

[00:04:05] That mom has still not given birth. Oh, my. I know. They're going to be big. Big. They're going to come out fully grown. Right. Yeah. All right. Cool, man. So, Jordan, welcome back. Hello. We're glad to have you. I actually was supposed to be up in Ohio this weekend with Dave and everyone.

[00:04:34] But, you know, unfortunately, due to some other circumstances, I wasn't able to make it. But I have told Tara that I will be there next year at Sun or Shine. You know what I mean? I'll be there. I guess I got to go next year, too. It sounds like a happening time. Man, I was looking forward to it. I'm actually already planning out content and stuff. Be like, okay, if I do this, if I do this, I can put some more on the network. Oh, nice.

[00:05:04] But, you know, it's lately, even though I haven't been on the podcast frequently with everything going on on my end, I have been pushing the network like crazy just to people who randomly talk to you. And I'm like, you know what? Listen to us. Listen to us. This PBN's proper broadcasting network is what you want. You know, that's where it's at. Dave says people are starved for it. So I think you're doing a service to a lot of people right now.

[00:05:33] Now is the time where people are less. It's funny is even though we may have a stigma to a certain level of people. Yeah. They're not as close minded. Yeah. They are not as close minded. They want to learn. And they want and they get curious. So it's kind of nice when someone hears, oh, you didn't have to shop the first six months of COVID. Or wait, you know how to can or you know how, you know what I mean? It's like there are people out here. This is a lifestyle. We make it work.

[00:06:03] Oh, I love it. So we got the last American with us live for his first live appearance here at the Prepper Broadcasting Network. Aiden Tate, what is up, man? How are you? I'm doing all right. I am glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. People are digging the show, man. Thanks. Appreciate it. If you got a chance to listen to Dave's interviews, there was a couple people who mentioned the new show.

[00:06:30] One woman who – we got the best compliment to date actually by one of those ladies. Dave, do you remember what it was? You probably know what I'm thinking of. I remember talking to her. Well, what was the compliment? She listens to us to fall asleep at night. Oh, yeah. I was the other man that whispers in her ear while she's laying next to us. And she said she couldn't wait to tell the old man that. That was the scary part.

[00:07:02] We got another great compliment too. Oh, man. I can't remember. I didn't watch X-Files growing up. I actually had to look this up. Let me see what Carl B's wife called us. Yes. We were the lone gunmen. That's it. Yeah, the lone gunmen from the X-Files. Yeah. Guys, they did a short-lived spinoff show too. Oh, did they really? Yeah. I didn't watch it too much.

[00:07:31] I was big into aliens back in those days, but I was pretty young. I must have been distracted by something. So if you guys are ready, I want to get into these things, man. I think we're going to have some interesting things to talk about with these scenarios. And I'd like to get everybody's take on them. Now, with things like this, since we have such a good group tonight, if... Oh, no. I just archived all of them.

[00:08:01] If we run into a situation where it looks like everybody's kind of got the same answer, we can just pass on it. I don't know how dynamic these questions are. I haven't really read a lot of them because I wanted to be surprised tonight because, you know, you want to have that authenticity. So, without further ado, we'll get started. I'll read off the question and then I'll just aim and shoot at somebody and we'll see how it goes.

[00:08:30] I'm going to go for this one because it looks big. A lot of words. Thank you for this, by the way, Aiden. You saved the day on this. This was... I'd have been out shopping today if it weren't for the... Martial law has been declared and police and military are going house to house. Oh, boy. House to house looking for food, water, and other supplies to confiscate. I'm already... I already lost this round. I'm scared.

[00:08:59] Your supplies are well hidden and would not be found through normal questioning and searching procedures. However, the official coming to your house is a relative and knows what you have. Oh, God. He informs you that it is his duty to take your supplies or arrest you and your family. How... Is this how they are? How is your... How... No. I'm sorry. How would you address this situation? Go ahead.

[00:09:27] Well, go ahead, Dave Jones, since you're the man with the military connections. You might run into a situation like this in real life. Some guy you know or knew. It is kind of funny because just recently I have been thinking about doing some caches. Mm-hmm. And I have these like tough boxes. Yeah. Military grade.

[00:09:54] These guys bought them surplus and I got them for like 15 bucks. This was a while back and I was going to build like a battery pack with them. But now since they're waterproof and everything, I can store just enough of each thing that you would need if you were running out of the house. Sure. You're in a great spot for caching too, man. Yeah. Not like caching on the side of a mountain. Yep. I'm going to pull one up the hill and one down the hill.

[00:10:22] So, wow. Wow. You would want to do anything but get arrested. Right. So, I would say, you know, give him your... You know, you shouldn't have all your stuff in one place anyways. Right. Give him your fake stash. Right. And if he knows you have other stuff, man, I don't know. That's a toughie, right? That is a toughie.

[00:10:52] That's conflict immediately with short-term notice. What about you, Ryan? You're up there on the homestead. Instead, they come a-knocking, you know who the person is and they say they either got to take it or you're going with that. You're coming with me. Well, I kind of would assume that they'd probably be with someone who, like a partner or a posse or something like that. So, I'd have to at least make a show of it.

[00:11:21] I'd probably side with Dave to some extent and give him, you know, what's in the pantry. You know, what, you know, because I keep my, not in the, okay, so I've got a back room and then that's kind of like a panic room sort of, but it's got food and supplies and stuff in it. But then I've got a pantry, you know, where I keep all my food and stuff and the cabinets in the kitchen, right? Where do you, where are those great shelves you built? Which room are they in there? That was a cool little project.

[00:11:49] Those are kind of in the panic room slash pantry area. Nice. With several other supplies. But I think I would probably just make sure that they had access to the cabinets and open up to all the kitchen cabinets and be like, okay, here you go. You know, take what you need. But I think I would pull my family member aside while all of his buddies were hauling away all my stuff and find out. Tell him to put a pipe bomb in the tailpipe? Yeah.

[00:12:19] I would tell him that, try and find out what they're running low on and be like, okay, you know, if you've got 10 million boxes of top ramen, that's one thing. But if you don't have any vitamin C or, you know, other types of things, then, you know, what's, what are they running shy on? So I can get a line on what's going to be valuable to people in the near, in the very near future.

[00:12:47] So I think I'd probably run that game and then use my, like leverage my family member in that situation. Because, I mean, we, we've got a code, you know, so even if he knows what I have, we still have a code. Right. And so I think, I think I'd be safe to, to give away what's visibly present and shy away from the rest. So what you're saying, when you say your family member, you're not talking about Colin, you're talking about the relationship between you and the guy at the door. Correct.

[00:13:17] Yeah. Like my brother. You'd be given like a wink, wink. And he would know that meant I'm going to give you everything that they are going to think I have. Correct. And okay. I gotcha. I like that. That's good thinking. That's good thinking. All right, Jordan, what do you think? Officials at the door? Oh. You know them. First off. Yeah. Nobody knows my full stash. Nobody. Well, that's a good deal. You only see what I let you see.

[00:13:46] And I know that sounds horrible, but even, even family members, even my former partner did not know the full extent of my preps. I like it. I like it. I like it. And it's not because I try to be ugly, but it's almost a level of deniable accountability. Yeah, sure. So for me, it would be one of those instances. If for some reason they did know maybe not the full extent, but a further extent, then there's

[00:14:15] a good chance that they are involved and that they hold part of my stash itself because I'm one of those who spreads some of my additional stash, not my full stash, at other people's houses as well. I like it. That's a great practice, by the way. So it's one of those, well, if you're implicating me, then I'm going to let it slip just how much you actually have sitting at your house too. That is a great practice. So I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not saying two wrongs make a right, but in this instance,

[00:14:45] if I'm going down, you're going down too. There you go. But I'm still going to make it out alive. So I have what I call my active pantry, I have what my reserve, and then my backup stash not including the additional. They can have what they can see. They can have what they can find. That's fine. But if the person does hold part of my stash, they're going down with my stash as well. So you've got to make it realize is if these people are willing to sacrifice you, then there's

[00:15:15] a good chance they're not willing to hand over theirs. No, I like that. So the evil person in me is going to be, if you're going to take me out, I'm going to take you out too. But I'm still going to have my head above water. You just don't know it. You bring up an important point about that, and you don't read a lot about it, but about that stash in another person's house. Because you may not be able to afford a bug out location.

[00:15:45] You may not even have a bunch of cool PVC pipe that you're going to stash stuff in or have the ability to cash. But you always got somebody you know. It's almost what we call a shared pantry today. So it's like everybody contributes. And within those three other houses, you each have your own shared pantry. So if something happens, you each know you can go to either one location and be secure or backed up. Because all of your eggs aren't in one basket. And vice versa.

[00:16:14] They may store something at your house, and you may store something different. Just it's shared prepping. No, I love it. Aiden, did we beat this one to death? Do you have anything to add? We got a lot of good answers. Yeah, I mean, I think it's safe to assume it's not just that one family member showing up at your front door. If it was just one dude, it's probably a different story. But you're probably talking about a big old truck with lots of things. Sure, they got to put it in something, right? Yep.

[00:16:44] But I said, I mean, it is theft. It's straight up you're being stolen from. For sure. And I think that needs to be a cause for anger to begin with. So we're going to end up in an argument. But I don't want to get hauled away on a truck either. Because if it's just the one person, you, yourself at the front door. Yeah. And you got a truck full of guys right there. I mean, you ain't going to be able to do nothing and live.

[00:17:12] Bad situation, right? Yeah, I would say you got to let them see what they can see. But make a fuss the whole stinking time so they want to get out of there as quick as possible. I mean, I don't. I mean. I think that's a good move. I think the cash is a great idea. I think having your stuff in different places is a great idea. And you can see a little, but you ain't seeing it all. That's it. You're going to hear about it.

[00:17:41] I think that hearing about it thing is important. People don't want to deal with it. Let's move on to the next house. This guy won't shut up. That's a good one. That's a good one. I think I'd look for, if I know them so well and their family and I can't turn them with a code a la Ryan Buford, I'd probably ask to have a word with them in private and tell them that I would tell their wife or someone they love all the nasty things I know about them.

[00:18:10] And maybe try to leverage a little blackmail if they were being too harsh. Because if it's your family, then you know all the juicy stuff. And you are talking about a family member that's turning you over, that's completely selling you out. Exactly. So you might have to turn something loose on them also to try to divert it. Yeah.

[00:18:37] If they're willing to do that to you, they're worthless to you. There you go. So they're done. They're dead to me. That's it. I was thinking of bringing them in, offering some coffee and poison their whole asses. But that's just me. Look at all this food we got now. You know, there's a reason why we prep. There's a reason why we prep. We never put all of our eggs in one basket. Yeah. And if they're family and they don't know that, worst off is if they're family and they know that,

[00:19:07] they should also know what we are and what we're not capable of. So the fact that they were careless enough to think they could push someone, that was their first mistake. Yeah. Stumbled into the black widow's web, huh, J. Ferg? All right, cool. I had to get off topic. That made me think of a shirt. And y'all are going to appreciate this. It says it's only murder if they find a body. Elsewise, it's a missing person. Come here. I have something to show you.

[00:19:36] We do need to get that prepare for your family, not your fantasy shirt done, though. That's for sure. Yes, I do need that. All right. Let's move on to another one. Here we go. Let's spin the magic message. All right. We'll go for a shorter one here. Let's see what this is all about.

[00:19:55] What would you do if someone you were fighting and surviving alongside with decided to simply give up, leave you and everyone behind to go away on their own? Wow. That's an interesting one. Let's go right with Aiden on this one. So you've been fighting and surviving alongside this person since, I guess, everything started to fall apart.

[00:20:23] And they burn out or they crack or whatever it is. And they say they're just leaving to go away on their own. What do you do? The movie The Road where the bomb walks out into the woods. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Just like that. Shoot. What's that movie? The Road? Yeah. That's what David said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you do? I would most certainly try to talk him out of it. Like, I'm not going to just not do anything.

[00:20:50] I'll try to reason with him and tell him I think it's a foolish decision. But if that's what you want to do, go for it at the end of the day. I'm not holding you back. Okay. All right. I like that. Give him the freedom of choice. Just like our great President Joe Biden. Either you take the shot or you wear a mask for perpetuity. No, I like that. That's a good one. Yeah. All right. What about you, Dave? Don't forget. You know, this guy, he knows some stuff, right?

[00:21:19] You've been fighting and bleeding and surviving alongside this person. So you've got to have a little confidence that they are going to go away and stay away. Maybe not come back when you're not looking to take some important shit. Yeah, that would be really, really tough. Really tough. I definitely outfit them. You know, I give them the stuff that they need to get out there and survive.

[00:21:46] I mean, if that was their goal, instead of to just walk off in the snow and die. You know? That's what it sounds like. Yeah. But I... Oh, man. No. No. No. I would... At the end of the day, you've got to let them go. I mean, there's... There's...

[00:22:09] When I worked at the Joint Personal Effects Depot, we got about one a week self-inflicted. These people... What is that again? We got about one person a week was a self-inflicted. Okay. You know, you have live ammo. You have grenades. You're fighting in combat.

[00:22:34] And some people can't handle the stress, so they kill themselves. Oh. Self-inflicted. Okay. I got you. Yeah. And, you know, whether they showed signs or not, but it's one of those things that you... When someone makes up their mind, we had a suicide. This guy in the barracks hung himself.

[00:23:04] And the first thing he used was a rope that we have on shelter halves. And it was a little cotton rope, and it broke. Oh, God. And you would think... You would think after that, you'd say, damn, that hurt. I'm not doing that again. But he tried again, and he used his belt from his raincoat. And that worked. Yeah, I know. So, it's one of those things where...

[00:23:33] Do you really want a suicidal person with you? When... That's got your back. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, you gotta let them go. I mean, you try and talk to them, and if they're gonna go, you outfit them with whatever they need. You wish them well, and you let them go. Man. Man. That's dark. What do you think, Ryan Buford?

[00:24:02] What do you think, Ryan Buford? Stepping away, running away from the group. They've been with you since the beginning, and now they're... They wanna give up and leave you and everyone behind to go away on their own. Well, it's kinda weird, um... Cause I've been faced with this situation, but in a different way, I guess you could say. Um... I spent a lot of time on the road working with a group of guys, and there was more...

[00:24:29] More times than I can count where, as a unit, we... You know, somebody would fall off. You know? You'd have someone who, you know, would miss their kid's first steps, because they were away from... Or, you know, their wife decided to, you know, step out on them while they were away working for their family. Or, you know, some... Some sort of holiday or birthday party got missed, and, you know, guys feeling like, no way, there's...

[00:24:58] I can't do this anymore. But... There is something to be said about a unit, and... Kind of the band of brothers side of things, if that makes sense, to where you realize that you are there, and you are there for a unified purpose, whatever that may be. And... Whenever that happened, whenever one guy was falling out, we were always able to rally and

[00:25:28] come back together and realize that we were all in it together. And we were able to keep going and pressing forward and moving on and growing and becoming a better unit because of that. Because we realized that we were struggling, and we were struggling together, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And doing that, it actually created bonds that went way beyond anything that I would ever consider of a co-worker. You know what I mean?

[00:25:58] And it's not like... I mean, we're not talking anything weird. I'm just saying, you know, it's real. It exists. And if someone, like Dave mentioned, if they've committed to leaving and they've left, there's nothing you can do, mentally or otherwise. But if there's a moment when you have the opportunity to bring that person back, there's an extreme value in that.

[00:26:27] Because when you are suffering or you're struggling because of your own personal stuff, you've lost hope. And sometimes it takes the unit to be able to bring that hope back so that you can all return successfully no matter what it is. So I'd say, you know, see what you can do to capture that moment and save that soul, essentially, before they bail out on you.

[00:26:57] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's weird because you do have that kind of built-in responsibility, right? I mean, if you choose to. Or maybe if you don't choose to because you've still got to deal with it. You've still got to deal with it mentally even if you think you're not going to deal with it. What about you, Jay Fergie? Somebody's out. They want to leave. They know everything. But they're done. They're ready to give up. It's been too hard on them.

[00:27:25] And they want to shove off on their own to either die, start over, or just see what happens. Roll the dice of fate. Right. Usually when people take a gamble like that, they really have lost their dog in the fight. That or they find where they're at is not grown in the way it should. Kind of like Ryan said, though, in a group, you know, it's joining together,

[00:27:52] trying to see if this person is depressed or distraught. Kind of like Dave said, you know, I work in mental health. If, you know, sometimes you can get them that little bit of spirits. But if they are that low and they are that set on whether it be taking the long road or doing like most animals in nature do where they wander off to die on their own because they don't want to drag the rest of the group down, there's nothing you can do about it.

[00:28:22] All you can then do is damage control and what you can do to strengthen and secure the group around you. Because if this person has that much of an impact, then you know it's going to pull several other people down as well. And so your whole situation is damage control. Okay, what can I do to liven spirits? How can I express this? How can we communicate to say,

[00:28:49] hey, this man or woman was set on doing what they were doing and it was more than obvious that none of us could change their minds, even after having tried. So if they're set out on a suicide mission, the only thing you can do is say, I love you, brother. I'm praying for you. If you change your mind, we're still here. But elsewise, ultimately, you got to let them go. You can't force someone to stay and be a prisoner. No.

[00:29:17] I mean, it's kind of like with medical care or anything. Kind of like the old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I can't make someone become in spirits if they have lost all hope. So all I can do is try to fix myself and my group and make sure I lose nobody else and try to strengthen our foundation or be able to see the signs before it happens again. Well, that's good. Use it as a learning opportunity.

[00:29:45] You know, suicide is probably going to take, man, in a real breakdown, you know, a real SHTF showdown. I wonder what the percentage of... I mean, we live in ecstasy almost perpetually. It is going to be a very, very high percentage. It already is. At the number of patients. It is, but I mean even higher. Just for example, out of me and my siblings, four of us,

[00:30:14] well, four I'll say closest, there is actually quite a few more of us. One of the three girls has already said that she would opt out. Yeah, I'm sure. No, no. She's made it clear if things ever went bad, she would opt out. And her husband just is like, no, I can mob out a Walmart and feed you. And she goes, that's not going to work. And I don't have the mental capacity to stay. So it's sad as when someone who knows

[00:30:44] that they don't have the mental capacity. That's scary, man. But I think a lot of people will be faced with that. You know, they would have to sit down. You got a bit of a taste of that. Go ahead, Aiden. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got a bit of a taste of that throughout 2020 where what was it? Within three months within California, the suicide rate was over a year's worth already. Huh! Is that real? Jesus. It was those numbers were something akin to that. Yeah.

[00:31:14] Man. Well, you live in California. I feel like you're looking for a reason out anyway. You know what I mean? That's not right. Yeah. That's going to be a big one. I mean, like I said, we live in paradise and people kill themselves all the time for some reason. Imagine what it would be like if it was hellfire and brimstone everywhere. So let's move on. I like it. I can't add anything to that. You guys did a great job. I just beg them and plea and, you know, try to hook them up as best I can. Try to find out what their true intention is, I guess.

[00:31:44] You know? Like, if you want to go off and do your own thing and live, then I'd give them some things to be prepared, sort of a la Dave Jones. Yeah. I was going to say, if they're going to off their self, the last thing you need to do is lose any resources or gears that may be a hard commodity you already have. Yeah. Like, if it was that, I'd say take the, you know, the .22 revolver and go 200 paces so I can come retrieve it when you're done. And then, you know what I mean?

[00:32:14] Because to that point, it is what it is. And at least they can make it pretty painless. So let's move on. This is the Ace of Diamonds. This better be a good one. You see a large mob. Oh, this is a good one. You see a large mob breaking into your neighbor's house. You know he's there with his wife and children. You have about two dozen rounds of ammo, roughly one for each mob member. Oh, God. This just turned into like John Wick.

[00:32:44] You are the only person capable of defending your own family. The mob passed your house and didn't notice you all at all. Would you step out of the shadows and risk your own life to help your neighbor? Or would you stay safe and protect your own family? And why? Who do we hit with this one? I guess we'll go with Dave. Because Dave, you probably got a mind for this kind of a thing already, I bet.

[00:33:13] Yeah, I don't know about that. But... So, you got about one round per person? Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, I think I'd try and go in the back door and get him out of the house. So, the mob is 24 people deep. Because they said it's two dozen rounds of ammo, roughly one for each mob member. That's a lot of people. Yeah, and you don't know what the mob is armed with. If you start blasting on them, they could all open up on you and... It's over.

[00:33:43] That is it. So, I would try and get him out of the house and try and cover his escape. I mean, burn the house down. Save their lives, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's a toughie there. Oof. Yeah. What are you doing, Ryan? Neighbor's house is getting infiltrated. Unless you shoot every shot and nobody shoots anything back at you, you can't stop them. Or maybe you can.

[00:34:12] It depends on what they're armed with, I guess. What's your course of action? Well, he said it was at nighttime, daytime. I don't think it mentioned. It didn't. Just a large mob breaking into that. We'll assume nighttime. I mean, you know, you don't see many mobs out during the... Well, that's not necessarily true anymore, but... It doesn't say. We'll assume night, I guess. Give you an advantage. It's a tough scenario.

[00:34:42] Yeah. That is tough. So, I have one neighbor. So, my neighbor is extremely valuable to me. And no matter what the outcome is, whether my neighbor gets off or these mob members take over his house, I still have to deal with that situation because they're just going to come to my place next. Good point. Good point. So, I think...

[00:35:10] I would do a couple of things. I think I would try and get some intel on it, either by looking in... Because I can... I have the ability to look into their windows with, you know, from a distance, with binoculars from different perspectives if I had to. And if that was the case, if they were holding him, that'd be one thing, but I think I would probably try and do a psyop kind of deal

[00:35:40] and pick one of them off at a time and just move around. Hunting rifle style from the woods? Yeah, because I could probably... I've got probably a 360 degree view of most windows at probably a quarter mile. Easily. So, if they were hunting rounds, I'd be in pretty good shape or even, you know, assault rifle with red dot. I'm fairly accurate with that.

[00:36:09] So, I think I'd probably just let them panic and work it slowly, basically. Kind of a little slow torture. I like that. I think that's a great idea, you know? You can't assume... I mean, they would have to be testicles of steel to just sit around in this random house with these random people while people are falling dead around them in their group, you know? Yeah. There's no motivation for them to say, oh, we're just going to wait it out.

[00:36:39] Everybody get away from the windows. You know, they're there for some kind of easy resource or some kind of easy gain and if a bunch of them start getting shot and they don't know where it's coming from, yeah. Yeah, I think that makes good sense. Yeah, and I know where their power and water shutoffs are so worst case scenario, I could maintain the utilities and not smoke them out but just basically make them realize there's no value there beyond, you know, an individual.

[00:37:09] Right. Okay, I like it. I like that. I missed it, Ryan. Did you say something? No, go ahead. Okay. All right, Aiden. Aiden, neighbors under attack. What are you doing? Are you going to let them go the way of all flesh or are you helping out? Yeah. Well, I looked up that suicide data

[00:37:38] first real quick. It was actually a year's worth of suicides in one month in California. Oh, my God. That was by April 2020. But yeah, if my neighbors got that going on where they've got 24 bad guys heading their way, it's go time. I ain't sitting back and waiting. I ain't sitting on my butt as my neighbors getting shot and their family's getting killed. That ain't no way. I think it most certainly depends on, like, not what I would... The tactics would depend on what kind of rounds we're talking about. Are we just talking about

[00:38:08] I've got a Glock or are we talking I've got a Bolt Action 308? What's going on there? Well, I think you can weigh that. I think you can weigh that scenario based on you, you know? Okay. So, like, what is the likelihood? What is the likely weapon that you're going to reach for, you know? Yeah, we're talking Bolt Action and I'm hiding in the woods and I'm picking them off because I ain't leaving them there by themselves to do that. It don't matter what the end result is. That's not happening. And even then, like,

[00:38:37] if you decide to sit back and wait it out and you decide you're going to play it safe because they bypassed you so you should be all right, who's to say they ain't going to camp out in that location for a week? I mean, if they're doing that, they're going to find you eventually and then you're screwed because you're by yourself and you got nobody coming to help you. Yeah, I guess it's a problem that needs handling if you can have the cover like that to handle it and pull off some... You really would be banking on them panicking and running away.

[00:39:08] You know? Ain't nobody behaving normal once bullets start flying over their head. I mean, that's true. Especially if their people start dying. People start dropping dead. They're going to say we need to get the hell out of here. Something's going on. All right, that's good. My neighbor's got help on the way. What about you, Jordan? All hell is breaking loose next door. See, now Jordan, I know, was never really very fond of her neighbor so I'm interested about this one.

[00:39:37] She said, I'm going to crack a yingling and watch it all burn, baby. Well, yes and no. So the whole thing, though, is if we're talking about they bypassed mine, I live, as you've seen, the area in a relatively open space with the houses around me. So in my situation, there's a most likely that any sort of mob mentality is going to continue moving. Now,

[00:40:07] am I going to count on that? Absolutely not. But I have to think about it as just me and my three kids. What is going to be the safest course of action? Because if I try to do anything to try to so much as help those neighbors, even though I hate the thought of someone else getting hurt over something like that, I then put my children at risk. Sure. So unfortunately, even in the worst scenarios, good people do get hurt and I have to think do their lives

[00:40:37] outweigh the lives of my children? And the first answer is going to be absolutely not. Do I want to see them get hurt? No. If it's one of those situations where I see that it's happening, I'm going to start taking every precaution of what is going to be the best course of action for me to protect my household. Where can I consolidate? How can I get the children out? It's literally going to be an action plan for me. Now, if I am close enough or within range,

[00:41:07] don't think for one second. I would hope that they climbed out the windows and took off and if, for whatever reason, a good chunk of those people are in that house, that's what a few good incendiary rounds are for. You might as well, like you said, let it burn. But, but, but, in my situation, even though I hate for someone to get hurt, I can't risk my safety and the safety of my children for someone else when I can honestly tell you in the neighborhood I'm in, they would not lift a finger for me either.

[00:41:37] So, unfortunately here, it's one of those things where I hate the thought of that, uh, but, again, my small children is going to be my precedent over somebody else's stuff. No, I get it. I get it. Gotta watch out for the fam. you know, there are, while there are, this is one of the scariest things about rural living to me. You know, because,

[00:42:06] because of this, now, the catch 22 is, where the hell did 24 people come in a rural setting? So, that's one of those weird situations, right? you gotta think of it this way though. If you live off the freeway or close like I do or from a town, it's not, uncommon. They see it from the road. for when classes happen. Well, also from classes, people tend to gather up on freeways. What is the main line of travel is going to be the freeway. So, people will group up in clumps. Say you can see

[00:42:36] the houses off the freeway, those are gonna be the first targeted locations because they are conveniently right there. Even if they have to climb a fence. That's true. So, people pinpoint the easiest, the easiest point from A to B and then from there they go to what's gonna be more likely have what I need beyond the immediate right at that moment sort of situation. Yeah. So, this is where

[00:43:05] having people in your community and neighbors that you can call on is such a big deal, man. we have, I have about four people that I could call on in the neighborhood that would respond to a situation like that and, you know, though we're playing fantasy, I do still try to like keep the idea of law and order in my mind because anything that we do we have to live with. So, I guess it really depends on

[00:43:35] the level of SHTF we're talking about, right? If we're talking about a guy got killed by the police in Richmond and these mobs show up compared to the whole of the power grid has been hacked and down for six months and this mob shows up then they're like two different operating procedures, right? So, I don't know, the guys in my neighborhood are pretty practiced bow hunters

[00:44:04] so I wonder if we wouldn't just try to shoot some people who are outside with bows and arrows you know, from a few different positions and see what happens. I think that'd probably be course one of that and I know you're supposed to use a gun or whatever and you only have so many rounds but if I took that stipulation out that's probably what I would say to them. I would probably say let's meet at said road bring your compound bows and we're gonna

[00:44:33] like Navajo their ass and see how and if they're next door to me then I'll be able to at least get a look and say you know they're heavily armed with rifles or you know so bring guns or you know they don't have any and I also imagine that the vast majority of them are probably gonna be outside the house right? Because 24 people piling into a house what did I say? Navajo? Ryan corrected me he said dude use a

[00:45:04] use a you're not sewing anyway yeah yeah so that'd kind of be my course of action would be to call on call on some help and kind of measure the situation but I can't imagine that 24 people pile into the house in one shot you know so I imagine there'd be a few bold people rolling in there and then the majority would be outside screaming expletives and that whole thing threatening to burn it down I don't know

[00:45:34] that's my take but did I get everybody on that one right? Let's roll on let's roll on to the six of spades let's see what we got another home security no I don't know let's see you hear a noise in the back of your house and you found about 12 orphans oh my goodness scavenging for food in the garbage cans they appear to be kids under six

[00:46:04] to seven years old taking them it would diminish your supply timeline by 50% and you aren't sure you can replenish your supplies once they run out plus it would take manpower to watch over all of them and you can spare little since everyone in your camp is constantly exhausted from hard work and rationed meals leaving these kids to their fates would mean their death or worse how would you handle this situation

[00:46:33] Aiden Tate sorry to hit you with this one this is a toughie but what do you think it's a it's a dozen kids six and seven now you have two right so you know what kind of a hell that could be 12 kids I'm taking them in you're taking them in I'm taking them in you're gonna make it work we're gonna make it work it's gonna happen I ain't leaving that many five or six year old there just for the elements and all that there would be

[00:47:04] okay we'll we'll figure it out we'll make it work I've I'm a decent farmer and gardener as it is I can raise crops and I got animals and whatnot I'm not the best forager but I know enough plants and stuff around me that I can make it so I ain't gonna starve but we'll make it work all right pretty straightforward it is now Aiden's responsibility to take care of 14 kids

[00:47:34] man that's a lot of football games that's a lot of trophies okay well we gotta go to Jordan next because Jordan is the family affair host she wouldn't have any hair left I'm sure of that you know after six and seven yeah I mean those are children who weren't probably put in a situation by choice you know whether they lost a parent

[00:48:04] or a disaster whatever have you there's no way there's no way I could leave them but in the same instance I've always believed that everybody has their duties so that way the children became a working member of the community not only would they learn but they would pick up skill sets just like my children do everyone would pull their part pull their weight because like Aiden said I can garden

[00:48:33] not worried about clothes as long as I can get some sort of material or be able to spend my own raw fiber then that's no problem because I can make clothing so I mean I'm sure somewhere as a group effort everyone be able to because at six and seven depending on the maturity and whether they're boys or girls or even if they're not some of those kids are going to have abilities to be able to help on hunting teams you know I've got one child who's great with butchering another one who's great with hunting

[00:49:03] another one who's amazing with fishing so I mean if you think about it every child has their own skill aspect and you just basically not trying to sound like a work camp but basically you put them in the field that they show the strongest ability as where they basically work as an apprentice to learn that skillship so you give these kids a foundation you're right because you know down here in the south I don't know if they say anywhere else the older folks would say idle hands

[00:49:33] are the devil's playground you keep these kids busy you give them skill sets and they will not only be able to feed themselves but feed everybody else and have something to grow from because I promise you anything that these children went through what you're doing is going to give them strength that they mentally probably weren't able to deal with being orphaned yeah they would never live there's no way there's no way they would live what about you Dave Jones they wander up on

[00:50:02] the mountain they're playing around with the quail and you catch them in the middle in the backyard what are you doing what is Maria going to say well if she's going to ask me if any of them are mine that's funny no no if they're digging around in your trash they're probably not pretty skinny so they wouldn't be very good to eat

[00:50:33] go and Hansel and riddle on them well you know no I'm not turning them away holy crap these questions are really one sided or the other we're all going to help our neighbor we're all going to take the kids in you know yeah more hands are better I mean they're

[00:51:02] going to be able to do some seven and eight is big enough to do some stuff hell haul water you know for two three years and you got a little bit of an army of workers at least you know yeah yeah but that's the easy feat I imagine you know you're trying to raise up 12 people who aren't even yours you've got to really you've got to lay down the law pretty early with them you know they might run a mutiny on your ass

[00:51:40] know they sold us to Dave Jones that's right rank and file baby fine now that's it beds made all that all right Ryan Buford what do you think man you see him marching through the corn fields digging your potatoes up what do you do children have their corn oh god yeah there you go that's a great that's a great connection yeah no I think I would take him

[00:52:10] just like everybody else was saying you know you're not gonna let him sit out there and starve but I think I'd probably take a little bit of a different approach and really pay attention to where they came from and maybe separate whatever a

[00:52:43] quote drawing more attention to you so I would isolate him individually and interrogate him you know not like torture him but interrogate him find out what's really going on I like that step that's a cool step that's very smart we're assuming innocence here we're all assuming innocence right and then I think I would now that's smart I think I

[00:53:14] and if there's a true innocence there because basically if it's not innocent then I've got to be ready for a potential retaliation for one or whatever kind of diseases or whatever these kids are carrying with them because I mean let's face it kids kids get everybody sick right so I've got that kind of on my mind but what I would I would feed them take care of them as much as I could but I would I think I would reach out and try to rehome these kids among family and friends so that the burden

[00:53:44] is shared among people rather than me owning all of it that's what I was thinking I would also I wouldn't be able to do it by myself I would also fire the guy whoever was on watch for your camp to let see how the hell did we miss those kids getting in there that's going to sound morbid but you've got to think it

[00:54:28] 6 or 7 year olds depending on their state you may actually only end up with 6 to 7 it's a hard thing to say but unfortunately if you think about it is you know a body can only go so long and most of the time people's minds as soon as they see if they're in a situation where they're in danger and they're hurt most of the time by the time they see help they

[00:54:57] quit fighting and just let go so you'll lose a lot of people just from all of a sudden they don't think they have to fight anymore it's that mental capacity to keep holding on yeah yeah that's a good point I imagine that some would go the way of yeah the way of all flesh alright yeah that would be my goal similar to Ryan I would definitely be reaching out and saying let's split this group up and see who could take a

[00:55:27] few so that we don't wind up with one household full but that's a lot of mouths to add you know that's a that we do food storage around here pretty serious but that's a lot of people to feed all of sudden well Hannah threw something in there because we had mentioned she goes what if they're working for

[00:56:04] will tend to pull the mother side and try to pull in and make easy targets yeah well I think that's the key in Ryan's interrogation process you know if you got

[00:56:34] 10 yeah whoa that's a dark one these are dark these conflicted questions just leave the door open it's alright nobody's coming in here alright let's do a couple more you guys good if we do a couple more has anybody else got to go at 10 oh I'm good okay yeah I'm good party on oh here

[00:57:04] necessarily maybe of things that could have been but were not a deadly flu outbreak is infected one third of your group and you don't have the means to quarantine them or the medicine to help them do you vote with the rest of the group to banish them or do you take it upon yourself to eliminate the infected ones before it spreads any further whoa oh god this is a no win situation right here

[00:57:34] wait a minute we only have those two options that's it 30% of your group uh is sick with a deadly flu I guess we can call it bird flu um do you vote with the rest of your group to banish them you can't quarantine and you don't have medicine so you know that much and I guess what the group has come up with is we can either vote to banish them or

[00:58:04] eliminate the affected ones before it spreads any further for huh yeah so what would go ahead jordan if you've got something already i'm scared if you already got an answer all right so you gotta look at it this way this is where it's gonna be kind of kind of probably dark so

[00:58:33] those are your only two options you can't take care of these people because from the sounds of it if 33% already have it then it makes you wonder what the infection rate and what the death rate already is right here's the these people be pushed out if you push them out yes there's a chance they could get better and have that immunity for whatever reason but if you also push them out and they survive and they hold that grudge for you pushing

[00:59:03] them out right then you have to deal with the repercussions so unfortunately for me you're almost the lesser the two evils just to take them out yes there is that chance they could have survived but if you are in a situation where your population could be greatly diminished by one illness it's kind of like having a sick hog or a sick animal you don't let it infect the rest you put it down

[00:59:34] that's a toughie you set a precedent in that too you set a precedent that could one day be inflicted upon you that's what's scary about it it's true but here's the problem what do you do if that one person out of all those people decides to come back or finds a group right what do you do then that's it so it really is a hard one it really is a hard one because it's like okay um

[01:00:03] but you're also basically signing their death sentence if you put them out and they have no medicine and they are gravely ill so do you let them suffer or do you put them down quickly if I'm dying and knowingly dying I'd rather you put me out of my misery sure yeah I guess that's a good point the thing about this is it sounds like uh you've handled what this sounds like to me is you've handled this thing pretty poorly

[01:00:33] right I mean if you're if you're trying to survive a deadly flu outbreak and you have no quarantine or medicine options at all then there's a high change you're already exposed anyways yeah that's kind of what's going through my head right is I already got it so whatever I do to them likely gonna happen to me anyway so yeah I don't know that's it that seems like a no win situation what if it's Ebola and you're having a hemorrhagic fever

[01:01:02] would you take your chances on trying to survive on your own with a hemorrhagic fever or would you that seems like a lot of nightmare we got Dane D with us but go ahead and mute that real quick Dane um and turn your camera off that would help yeah um all right what about you Dave Jones the NBC guy you know we want to hear from the NBC guy on this one yeah if you

[01:01:30] if you have these people and you can isolate them in someone's house you know so segregate them isolate them in someone's house then set the house on fire oh damn there's your quarantine no yeah quarantine them separate them at least that way they'll get you know some kind of a funeral if you banish them

[01:02:00] they're gonna die in the woods and someone's gonna you know the animals are gonna eat them but yeah you you explain to them look you gotta stay in this house you isolate them you keep them away from everybody else and let nature take its course nature Dane D did you hear the question no no I didn't hear the question I was just making sure you guys could hear me yeah we got you so so look

[01:02:30] a deadly flu outbreak is infected a third of your group and you don't have the means to help them do you you don't you can't quarantine them you don't have any medicine so do you vote with the rest of your group to banish them or eliminate the infected ones before it spreads any further I know I know I think I think for me it's it's a it's a it's a vote thing that way

[01:02:59] if any of them survive they don't come back and be like hey you banished me right you know there's always a chance someone could survive that they could find you medicine yeah that's a good point that's a good point so you're saying let them have their option do you want to be put out of your misery or do you want to be put outside the wall damn right okay so they get the vote instead of the group getting the vote the person gets to make their decision we can't keep you here alive

[01:03:30] how do you want it okay yeah and and many factors are going to come into play do they have kids in there that are not infected that they want to stay alive you know so on and so forth yeah that's a big one right children in the mix loved ones in the mix whoa that's a nasty question what about you Aiden Tate what do you think I so I first of all I think the the euthanasia approach I don't believe in euthanasia to begin with so that's out the window for me

[01:04:00] but I like looking at all right so like public health is something that I've done a lot of study and research I got a little bit of a background within the public health setting I think one of the most fair approaches to it is if you look at the Old Testament with the way that the lepers were managed so what would happen is you had this disease that most certainly could spread and absolutely devastate the community causing people's arms and limbs and their noses to fall off so they got to figure out some way during ancient times

[01:04:30] to keep these people away and figure out what to do so they had the leper colony you stayed there a certain amount of time and after whatever it was like 30 days or whatever you could come you could visit the high priest and he would say nope you you you failed the inspection sorry you got to go back to the colony or hey you passed inspection you can come back with us so what I would do is I would get somebody in a pickup truck and say all right load up all the sick people on the back of the pickup truck I know a barn not far from here that's going to be

[01:05:00] shelter enough for y'all you're not going to have any contact with the person inside the cab of the truck we're driving you there you're getting out there's going to be supplies already stocked there and we'll be back for you in what a month until then you're on your own so that that would be my game plan I like it I think it's reasonable you know you could drop you can drop resources outside of the barn right if there's somebody

[01:05:29] if people in there are getting better and they have the ability you know to bring wood in to keep the place warm or food and water that type of thing yep I mean you're giving them the best fighting chance you can I dig that so I have a quick question go ahead um I've got two of the conflicted decks do you guys want me to pull anything out of them or do you guys already have all the questions set aside or we're picking some at random

[01:05:59] from a bunch that we got thrown into the I think we're good we're only gonna do a few more cause it's gonna get late but I appreciate it I appreciate it no worries no worries I didn't read any of them ahead of time so it's been kind of fun alright then we'll move on to the next that one was tough I need an easy one after that let's see what we got here okay I think I read this one already

[01:06:31] but this is a pretty good one here this is one of the only ones I did read because it came in last food and water is nearly all gone your neighbors and the people you bunkered down with are restless and worried about food there aren't any immediate fertile areas around where you could forage and hunt or fish for food one of the members of your group suggests that looting others may be your group's last resort if you were in this situation

[01:07:01] how would you handle the idea of looting others if it came from your own group oof so looting going from I'm not going to repeat that Dave Jones but that's good what do you got Dane you're ready to go you're ready who's left well I didn't know you saw that that fast but I think when it comes

[01:07:31] to anything like that if that's honestly your last resort there have got to be ground rules you know what I'm saying like you can't run around killing everybody you can't do things I mean I mean like okay you look at a criminal who steals versus a criminal who murders versus a criminal who you know does is a rapist or whatever you understand what I'm saying the penalty for theft is totally different right even the penalty for robbery

[01:08:01] or burglary is completely different arm robbery again is a lot worse but I don't know I mean like I'm just putting in the mindset of absolute desperation like I don't want to take anyone's life I don't want to hurt anyone you know but I do want to feed my family right so make the fallout as minimal as possible you know what I'm saying if that makes any sense no yeah yeah I love the idea of ground rules if you're gonna start running up

[01:08:30] in people's houses no killing no raping yeah we leave a certain percentage behind yeah I mean it sounds insane but like that's I think that's the only way I could sleep at night if I had to do that you know no I get it I get it Dave Jones is not unavailable but what do you got Jordan you're out of food you know people who got it and your crew is nervous and they want to go get it you know

[01:09:00] the whole moral aspect of it is how much can we do before we have to potentially step out of our moral realms yeah it's a huge part of what we do I think my the whole thing would be what can we scavenge before we have to go to the point of Luton because once you cross that line of Luton you know there's gonna be a potential for people to get hurt people to get killed as well as conflict and now if your group has been

[01:09:29] bunked down you are now on the radar of whoever you just looted yep so what can I scavenge yeah what can we scavenge or what can we do before we have to hit that point that's gonna be the hardest point for me is morally knowing is once you hit that point and you are willing to fight for someone else's stuff you become the one person you were trying to prevent from coming towards you oh that's so weird right

[01:09:58] god that's weird well think about it you know we're all for defending our stuff yeah but god forbid when you have to turn into the person who has to take from someone else it makes you know better than a thief and you go in right and you then become the person who has to decide are you willing to pull the trigger for their stuff i morally and mentally unless i'm defending myself i don't see where i could do it um i'm not saying i wouldn't but that is a hard one i would rather

[01:10:28] scavenge yeah right there right there that that says it all right there i just know i couldn't morally with my own self because i have to live with myself once it's in self-defense or killing someone to protect somebody right killing someone just for their stuff shooting someone in their own house just for their food yeah where did you cross the line

[01:10:58] exactly yeah that's a hard one for me like that would be a huge moral debate and probably would disband the group just because i'm not willing to take a life over their stuff when i'd rather have a try to find another option because there's always more options always even if it means picking up and moving well that's kind of what i was thinking what about you aiden tate somebody's got some stuff you need some stuff the family's hungry your people are hungry and you know where to get the stuff do you go

[01:11:27] get it i kind of like that like i think that commerce creates wealth so look if you're in this type of situation you're in a post-disaster situation where it's without rule of law and it's the end of the world as we know it type event i kind of like that idea try to set up some type of bartering system some type of common ground barter

[01:11:57] fair or something like that where you can trade the skills and the goods that you already have and the goods that you've scavenged that aren't other people's goods that are just scavengeable materials and seeing if you can do that to get the food yeah i think that's great that's what came to mind two things came to mind when i read the question the first was just that i don't have any food but what else do i have that i can at least make contact with people send scouts out to talk

[01:12:27] to people that i probably would have done already you know in a situation like that like you're gonna i imagine pretty early if you're a prepper you're gonna start linking up with people outside even of your community right like so communities adjacent to yours neighborhoods adjacent to yours you're gonna start making those contacts early if you're if you're thinking at all right because with that comes power and then you know from there you can either like you said set up a barter situation

[01:12:55] or what i would consider is we're traveling security now or we're traveling workers now so we're gonna go to these adjacent neighborhoods and say you know we don't we don't have any food but we'll we'll do security detail we've got guns and ammo we will do whatever kind of work you guys need done as long as you pay us in food and i feel like you could work for food you know if you had a group that you'd be able to find a way especially

[01:13:25] if you're a group that some percentage of that group is preppers and has you know survival skills or you know self skills then you're gonna be able to you're gonna be able to do something you know what i mean you're gonna be able to figure out how to turn turn something they have into something better or help them out with a process so that's my call on that one is dave jones back or did we beat this one to death i think you beat it to death

[01:13:54] we're none of us are gonna steal we'll trade we'll barter we'll do whatever it is but we're not criminals hey are we is this the weakest conflicted show ever should we be saying like if it comes down to it i'm just unloading the magazine you like i'm taking all their shit right exactly exactly i feel like prepper there's a certain segment of the of the fantasy prepper population out there that it's just giving big

[01:14:23] thumbs down to this whole conversation right you're gonna do whatever you need to do stop lying to yourself all right the six go ahead no i i think uh people are are getting the idea and and there's a lot of outside of the uh you know thinking outside of the box so i think a lot of people are gonna get good information about this because you're put in these situations you know if if those kids

[01:14:53] got into my perimeter man they're good those kids are good you can learn how the hell did you get in here kid you you know what's funny though james is i have a friend we talked about situations and she had brought up um because i had asked her some questions and i guess you could almost consider it conflicted she had already said that she would sell her body and trade for whatever she needed to keep her kids alive okay it's the oldest profession

[01:15:23] there is for a reason yeah yeah that's she would trade her body for whatever she needs huh so farming's the oldest profession gardening probably so good point yeah no i would sell my body too but i'd only get 50 cents i'd be lucky if i got that but you know what i mean like it would be a trade it would be a trade because unfortunately the way she said it in a situation like that a lot of

[01:15:52] men don't think beyond their carnal and physical desires to some level yeah especially in high stress situations like that right she has something somebody else will want being a female and unfortunately it's not something she ever wanted to consider but she said that being a female and of course you know a lot of the population or the aggressors who are gonna strong hold everything are gonna be men she will have to use whatever she has to to protect

[01:16:22] and feed her children no doubt even at her own cost of herself you could look at like the gold mine camps and you know the the railroad camps and stuff like that i mean there were always women with them always always always yeah you know i mean it's it's sad but i mean the whole thing about this game for me is we're answering from a place of comfort yeah we're answering that's a good point from

[01:16:51] from where we are right now looking out the window we're not answering from being at the very bottom of holy crap i haven't eaten in two weeks my kids are staring at me what am i gonna do right you know you bring up a really good point dane and uh i challenge you guys if you wanted to if you wanted to play this thing in an altered state i don't know if you guys are crazy

[01:17:21] enough to do this kind of stuff but we could you know at prepper camp we played it drunk no yeah that's one way but i think this would be way better i think this would be way better you could do a two to three day water fast that will literally change your whole mind i don't know if you've ever done anything like this before but if you if you fast for like two to three days um you start to turn into like an animal and i'd be really interested to

[01:17:50] see what uh what our answers would be in that sort of a mind frame having not eaten after a few days you know what i mean and just just when you start talking about food and you start talking about resources and start being nice and i want to be nice to people i wonder what our what our state would be like if we really went a few days without without because that's a great point i'm drinking coffee i'm drinking water i had a nice big dinner you know i'm a totally

[01:18:20] different guy than i would be if i if i just drank water and worked and worked out and did everything i do but didn't eat for three days you know your survival instincts start to like hum a little bit if you've ever fasted for that long and it's it's legit that'd be a fun conflicted for me but i'm you know i'm a little crazy so i don't know if that's a challenge you guys would be into but um let's move on to the eight of spades no

[01:18:48] yes clubs you see a wave of men in all this is like hollywood i'm not a big fan of this one this one seems a little hollywood to me but you see a wave of men in orange inmate suits walking down the street towards your home they have pipes and makeshift clubs in their hands but they do not seem to be breaking into any homes or bothering anyone at this distance you could take most of them out with your ar-10

[01:19:18] but once they get close you'll be overwhelmed if they try to jump you do you take the chance and let them pass or do you start shooting people who have done nothing to you and why this is a really really fantastic sort of scenario right i don't i don't necessarily understand it or buy it so i almost want to skip it to the mob yeah i almost want to skip it because it seems so silly

[01:19:46] like everyone gets out of prison they all stick together they all have clubs and they're just tra-la-laing down the street not doing anything wrong right yeah let's do a different one this one is a little pass this one are they singing no i'm just kidding sorry what do we got okay here we go maybe we'll yeah

[01:20:16] this is not morgan rogue i hope but we'll see more morgan always made sure he oh it's a boy morgan always made sure he had a get home bag with him wherever he went just in case a disaster struck and he couldn't get home through modern conventional means the contents of this bag would help him get back to his family safe and sound from anywhere in the country wow i'd like to talk to him about that bag do you take a special get home bag with you when you travel what oh no we're not doing that

[01:20:45] that's just a question they just want to know what's in your get home bag nope next one okay here we go oh we're gonna talk about uh you you guys will all know about this but this is a good one maybe we'll end it on this one because this is uh this isn't like anything mind-blowing but it's a good question in late august of 1859 a solar flare sent a coronal mass ejection directly towards earth taking only 17.6 hours

[01:21:15] to make the 93 million mile journey so the carrington event right the target of such an event missed earth in 2012 and there is an estimated 12% chance of a similar event occurring between 2012 and 2022 this event could collapse modern civilization as we know it today i will say that it would most definitely collapse modern civilization as we know it today would you be ready that's pretty open-ended

[01:21:46] um absolutely i guess i'd say i'd be ready for right i guess i'd say i'd be ready for some things but i don't think we know my nine-year-old son said yes before i unmuted it well we're pretty good here i mean uh i i don't you know i share what i do all the time here and basically what i do is rally that's why i'm so

[01:22:16] uh helping the neighbors all the times the neighbors are going to be part of my group here sure of course dropping some trees over the roads we're setting up some lpo peas we're securing our little section here of the mountain and uh everybody's coming uphill to you guys so that's a good thing right exactly exactly and they're gonna be on school i got a better one here if we don't want to go down this

[01:22:44] emp preparedness path and it's it's actually a much better question i think what do you guys think sure i say shoot the survival group you belong to has lots of children what are three essential life skills that every child should know in today's current society what are three other skills you would add to their education in a post-apocalyptic world um i don't know that we need to do six but if you got six feel

[01:23:14] free uh but basically three essential life skills for kids and three post-apocalyptic life skills for kids who wants to take this one can dave go first dave sure yes yeah dave yeah i gotta run soon all right knock this one out you're gone oh okay i see i'm sorry i didn't read the chat so so we're doing three skills or six whatever you got the question is three skills for today and three skills for

[01:23:44] apocalypse okay they gotta know how to make fire i know find water yeah my nine-year-old he's chiming in did you hear that yeah uh make fire find water okay okay and uh shelter all right good survival essentials and then and then if you want to expand upon that shoot yep okay

[01:24:14] uh navigate good one and uh you know trap get get food because if you can shoot you can shoot yeah exactly i like it who's next i was gonna go a little bit more um a little bit more larger than that i was gonna go with blacksmithing survival

[01:24:42] how to mill out a barrel mine wasn't that extreme mine was more or less you know yikes man yikes you know like gunsmithing blacksmithing and uh and survival there you go i'll be quiet now sorry no no that's fine nothing wrong with that oh you know yes i can see your child or children making slam fire guns

[01:25:12] but sure he's a good kid he's a good kid for organizing rubber what's that so i see see my thing is now is my children being able to basically um it's funny is my skills that i think children should have before and after aren't much very different because i think if anything the kids need to know how to get water and purify it they need to know how to make a shelter

[01:25:41] or have some sort of shelter and three is obtain food now if you mean in additional skills then they need to know how to prepare and clean what they kill so they properly do it as well as you know finding the water would be the sterilizing or maintaining a healthy water and then on shelter is being able to have coverage or safe shelter out of the elements so i like that the mistress of metal

[01:26:10] just popped up and said that she thought farming might not be the worst thing for kids to get some experience with grow some food right no i like that right my kids like to garden but it's funny because it's like how what do i say that isn't outside of the norm of what we already do true no i get that raising raising animals chickens ducks all that stuff husbandry yeah what about you what are you teaching the kids uh yeah

[01:26:40] most certainly everybody needs to know how to shoot i think post disaster uh i do farming as it is so my kids are following me around as i'm doing that but i would most certainly be delving into that more with them telling them more of the depth and the details alright this is why we do this with the goats this is why the honeybees get this this is why we do this with the mushroom logs and on with that

[01:27:09] as far as a third thing i like the idea of making fire and teaching them how to do that yeah that's a big one that's definitely a big one um i guess to modern modern day modern day i think kids should know how to fight i think that's a big one that a lot of kids miss out on i think uh they should know how to cook that's a big one that i think

[01:27:39] a lot of kids miss i still can't believe we don't teach people how to cook in school that blows my mind that's a little microwave so forth you've got to do it three times a day what other thing do you got to do three times a day that you just have no training on whatsoever i can't even fathom why we wouldn't teach everyone yeah right but i mean you can you know you can wrap do not know how to maintain hygiene yeah i get like that jay ferg not lying you should have saw my beard about three days ago i wasn't meaning

[01:28:09] weird i meant like actual physical well you know what i mean it's all tied in though guys are crazy but uh yeah cooking fighting those are big um shooting yeah i could see shooting being one for sure you know i probably before shooting i would teach a kid how to how to use a knife you know what i mean just just basics don't how to not cut your finger open and bleed to death with your knife because i think that's a big one you know

[01:28:38] i mean i remember handing my son immediately i was just about to say it my son did the same thing i got him this little i got him this little tiny kershaw and and i was like all right buddy it's real sharp so just be careful with it i'll open it up for you and you know we sat there with it for like i don't know a minute

[01:29:08] maybe and he was bleeding and it's yeah but but that's have necklace knives as well but they've yet to jab themselves yet you know the second i gave him a good sharp knife i was like don't it's sharp oh you know crap well the other thing too like if you if you do the knife training correctly you know you're going to show them how to take care of those cuts you're going to show them how to sharpen it you're going to show them how to open it

[01:29:37] close it uh care for the sheath care for the handle see first all these things yeah that's a big one that's a big one first day a big deal yeah first day is a very big one i'd probably teach my kid how to i'd probably depending on their age i'd probably teach them how to really hide well if it was post apocalypse you know what i mean if we're dealing with something like that you know because nine times out of ten nine times out of ten

[01:30:07] hiding is going to be your best course of action particularly if you're a kid and you're on your own you know it's like you know you think about it kids today don't know how to sit quietly uh you know because they're oh you can do this you can do that but i remember as a kid you didn't you when you were told to shut up and not move you shut up and you did not move yeah yeah well i mean imagine imagine guys you know like us back when we were kids playing hide and go seek imagine if we would have had something like a ghillie blanket

[01:30:35] or you know like actual good ghillie suit yeah now imagine teaching your kid how to do that you know with a ghillie blanket or a ghillie suit or something man they would be they'd be unstoppable yeah i'm doing that this weekend we used to play release did you guys ever play release growing up we always played shark attack release release was just like well it was kind of like kick the can but at night you know so you would you would

[01:31:05] all go and hide at night time around the whole neighborhood you know but we lived in row home so it sounds big but it wasn't that big there were easy boundaries in the neighborhood but it was basically hide and seek at night you know all through the neighborhood and that was that was about one of the funnest things in the world man so what else i don't know it probably it'd probably be of course i would say fishing right because you can it's my thing

[01:31:35] you can also fishing is huge in my house and we all i keep you know fishing line and lures in each kit too so if you have if you buy a spool of like 5,000 yards of mono and you know how many packs of number 10 hooks do you really need before you've outfitted yourself completely for fishing you know what i mean like i have grown on the property so it's not like we don't have sand

[01:32:05] i mean you can wrap the line around a can around a plastic bottle and fish you know it's it's an awesome skill and the thing about fishing is kids also love it it's easy it's an easy sell it's not like dude listen we're gonna go sit in a hunting blind until the sun goes down okay and that's what we're doing today that's what i'm big on is teaching them how to fillet so then they can just make it as quick and as clean as possible yeah that's a good one because if

[01:32:34] anybody knows anything about proppy they're just their stomachs are full of freaking worms and it's just easier to bypass it just by filleting it right so my wife just came up with a couple more they're not not bad ones she said to teach them tracking that's a good one yeah find your little brother and situational awareness absolutely oh yeah huge i was doing that with my son

[01:33:04] the other day even my kids i teach now run fight and hide you run hide and fight sorry so you run you hide and if you get found you fight like those are the three things i teach now in any sort of emergency situation because if you don't have to be in the conflict i need you to remove yourself from that conflict immediately yeah that sounds like how me and james grew up mostly running mostly running yeah

[01:33:35] i grew up hiding it was it was more or less a challenge of would my older brother who was left in charge of me be able to find me before mother got home because he had no

[01:34:42] and that's an issue right now. Now, as he gets closer, I can tell he's carrying a camera. He's a nice guy. But if you're talking about training situational awareness, that's about the best way you can do it by yourself or with a kid and have it be something that you kind of enjoy. You're teaching him to look for attack or threat indicators. That's genius. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. It's a fun thing to do too.

[01:35:10] And sometimes you catch him doing distasteful things too with their mind, which is fun to talk about. Like there was a guy walking up with a family, right? But he was all ghettoed out. You know what I mean? Like his pants were coming down and he had like a wrap T-shirt on, cornrows, and just playing the game with a kid.

[01:35:38] And he just said, that guy looks like he'd be a threat. And I was like, okay. Well, maybe on face value because of the way society presents these guys. But he's with his kids and he's with his wife. It's usually the clean cut ones that make me a little more nervous. Well, I was just trying to explain to him that he was with his family, so the likelihood that he's going to do anything dangerous is probably pretty low. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[01:36:04] As opposed to somebody who's by themselves or people who are doing strange things. Can I interject something you may want to point out to your kids? Go ahead. I apologize to kind of go off here. But so at my facility, we have all sorts of people. Well, there is quite a group that comes in, I don't deal with personally, who are sex offenders.

[01:36:28] And from what I've seen of some of our more atrocious offenders are blue-collared, clean-cut guys who would be someone you think you could talk to with no problem, who are some of the most vicious and disgusting child predators I have ever seen. I believe that. Emphasis on the word predator. Predator. Absolutely. Predator. Because then they come off very charismatic, very calm, demure, manipulative.

[01:36:57] All these personality traits that for anybody who would approach, you think, oh, this attractive-looking man seems very nice. Right. No, he's just got a stick. There you go. Except he plays on children or he plays on young boys or whatever. He's got some tickets or some money to give your kid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. That's an easy one, right?

[01:37:22] And being manipulative and being persuasive are probably some skills you'd want to teach your kid post-apocalyptic also. You know? Not nothing you'd be proud of, but yeah, they should know. Yeah. Get yourself out of the situation. How to get their needs met. Yeah. How to get their... One way or the other, being manipulative. You know? Mm-hmm. I think that's about it, guys. What do you think? We've almost gone two hours. This was awesome, man. Oh, yeah. I knew this was going to be a ball.

[01:37:52] I think Dave Jones said we'd be a ball. I wish I would have been here. Yeah. Yeah, you missed some good ones, but we'll do it again. We'll definitely do it again. Maybe we'll have you lead it off since you got all the content. You got all the cards, rather. Yeah, I got a couple of the decks, man. And there's some questions in here that I was like, oh, but I haven't seen them all yet. So that'll be good. It'll be good, man. It'll be good. We'll definitely do it. We'll give it a couple weeks off, and then we'll just schedule it up so everybody's free, and we'll do it again.

[01:38:22] We had... Yeah, we had the... Who are we missing? Oh, Carl B. The only person we missed was Carl, so we're good to get him back on again. All right, then. Well, I appreciate it, guys. Thanks for giving me a couple hours on a Monday, and listeners, thanks so much for joining us for a couple hours on a Monday or Tuesday or whenever you get this thing. But these are really what I probably should have done, what we all probably should have

[01:38:45] done, and what the listening audience, what we'll plan on doing next time is find out where you're weak with these. You know, this is a great opportunity to be like, I can't... I need to put something in place to deal with the mob at my next-door neighbor's house, right? That one seemed to be about the toughest one, right? The mob comes in the next-door neighbor's house, and they're going to infiltrate, and they might

[01:39:13] live there, they might kill your neighbor, and you've got to make a decision what you're going to do. So, you know, it might be worth writing down and addressing some things if you find yourself in a situation where you're kind of stumped. Because rarely... I don't know about you guys, but I'm always guilty of being like, I feel really prepared for all the things I think I'm really prepared for. Not going outside the box all that much.

[01:39:39] So these are a good opportunity to get outside even the prepper's mindset into like the real deal SHTF scenarios where it's life and death. So yeah, I do appreciate it everyone, and you know, Double Barrel Tuesday tomorrow night. Don't miss it. It's going to be a big week here at PBN. Big week for membership content also, so members stay tuned. Really cool project from Hammer Talk I finished up today. You guys are going to dig it.

[01:40:07] But all that said, I do appreciate you, and we'll talk soon. Thank you for listening to the Prepper Broadcasting Network, where we promote self-reliance and independence. Tune in tomorrow for another great show, and visit us at prepperbroadcasting.com.