Matter of Facts: An Insurgency, or a Revolution?

Welcome back to the Matter of Facts podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping, guns, politics every week on iTunes, Ditcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at mwefpodcast dot com. On Facebook or Instagram. You can support us be a Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host, Phil Raveley Andrew Nicker on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to the Matter of Facts Podcast. Phil and Nick are back behind the Mike Stewart's already in the chat stirring of trouble and telling us that Facebook has screwed us over again. Suckerberg, Yes, so you know. I don't know what the over under is for. We pissed off the zuck, we got meta out of existence, or it's just a standard issue technical difficulty. Who knows. I know what you did, Phil, I know exactly what you did. What I do. There are no behind me there. But I'm not a flash bang. I haven't said anything to piss off any of the managers of the watch list. What have I done this time? Before we got on the air, you did show me a very nicely well redone sks on camera. I bet you. Facebook preemptively shut it down. Yeah, Stewart is saying, not even past lives on fake book, So yeah, Facebook might have officially like zucked us out of existence. Finally, that's disappointing. Oh well, oh well, that's why the podcast is streamed every Thursday on YouTube and on Rumble. It says, my wife says, we are live on Facebook, but it does not show the post that we are going. To be live. Odd. I how the people on the show don't get notified that we're going live even though we're noted as the content creators. Yeah. Although that being said, like, I'm not. Super concerned about Facebook, just because I can't think of the last time somebody actually watched. This show from Facebook your. Wife on rare occasion. Yeah, and you know, Facebook is based with digital brain cancer in the making, So anyway, most. Social media is digital brain cancer. Yes, but then there's the really aggressive, incurable shit, and then there's your guard variety take drugs and feel better shit, And Facebook is definitely oh oh you had to go there. Tumblr? Oh what's worse? In nick Tumbler or Reddit? Ooh Tumblr the audioce Reddit does. Reddit does have some of those hyper specific forums that are really useful. Like I ran it. I encountered a guy on Reddit in a machinist sub sub forum like deep into the Machinist forums that had all the original manuals and catalog for my lathe back at the cornerback here, and so he sent me very nicely scanned copies of that. Just because we have the same lathe. I will grant you this reddit does have a few shining bright spots other than making fun of tankies, that too, making fun of Jeff. Jeff is right here though. Facebook marketplace great place to sell stuff. Yes, but yeah, I'll give you that tumbler's brain cancer. And I don't know. Reddit is maybe like their skin cancer, where it kind of sucks but you can survive it. Their IPO killed Reddit. Yeah, it is dying slowly because they are hemorrhaging the things that made Reddit. Good, as with most of the Internet right now, unfortunately, and. Whenever it gets bought up by a large conglomeraedd or as an IPO, it all goes downhill. Yeah. Well, let's do admin work and then we'll finish the conversation we started right before we start talking, and then we'll get to the topic. So, patrons, if you are a patron, we appreciate it. If you're not a patron, you should think about becoming a patron. You'd be part of a very, very large, distinguished group of sociopaths that fund this show and keep it going. And a bunch of them are actually in the comments section right now, probably misbehaving ideally, I mean, based on the way they welcome every new patron to the closed signal chat. I mean, like if they're whichever one of y'all is the disguised FBI handler. 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Yeah, and it's really good coffee. It is really good coffee. I'm actually fueling with Bunker beans right now, as is my usual habit. And there's also merch at the Southern Gals that links in the show description sport of small business support us funny funny t shirts. I'm particularly proud of the what would Burt Do? That one is good, though I have to say I can't. The ladies favorites are the burnt out but optimistic and the What's the Possible one? I'm a delight? Oh yeah, I'm a delight. Yeah, that's that's definitely a favorite that my wife is taken to work with her. Yeah. All right, So right before we rolled, Nick and I were talking and bull crapping and I had to stop him to be like whoa, whoa, whoa. We should have this conversation while the camera's rolling so everybody else can join in. So we were just committing like gun guy heresy by saying that I was saying I don't need any more guns, and Nick was actually talking about selling guns I was. So we were both kind of like, you know, here's here's my gun guy card. You can take it in ShredIt anytime you would like. Well, I think that there at a certain point in any hobby you need to reevaluate. And let's be honest, shooting is a hobby for the both of us. I think we're You're not a professional soldier, I'm not a cop. You were, but you're not anymore bold. Of you to assume I'm not anymore, Nick, But go ahead. You could be a government plant trying to rile us all up into Shenanigans. Let me tell you that there is not an operator on earth with a midsection quite like mine. True. Safe, Bet, I'm just a guard variety redneck. True, But I do think this applies to most hobbies. And I have guns in my safe that I have not shot in years years, one of them because the rifling is completely torched on it. It's a Savage nineteen oh three semi automatic with the sites are atrocious if you've never used one, they're about that far apart, and the blae the notch you could maybe catch a fingernail in the notch, and the blades about three times as wide as the notch. It's terrible. It's absolutely awful. But I got it for a really fantastic deal, and at the time I was kind of into anti firearms. I'm not anymore. That really doesn't have a place to me in my hobby anymore because, number one, it's a caliber that I don't have the reloading components for. I what caliber. It's thirty two auto. Oh, I know, it's kind of a terrible caliber. It's it doesn't well, it's not that it's a terrible caliber, oh it is. It's oh well, okay, I wasn't gonna like throw salt in that when I am going to What. I meant to say was, it's not that it's a terrible caliber that makes me grown, even. Though it is. It's the fact that like components don't cross over it anything. It's okay. So it's not like. Recently the family was like, you know, cutting up a gun selection spreading it out, and one of the firearms that came up was a Charter Arms. I think it was a bulldog. In a thirty two h and R Magnum. Okay, now thirty two h and R Magnum of that revolver cartridge. It's obscure. I don't want to say it's obscure. It's difficult to find AMMO for but you can find thirty two h and R. You can find thirty two smith the West End like that. You have options. Yeah, there are other thirty two caliber cases out there, but yeah, and thirty thirty two ACP is it's basically just thirty two ACP. There's no other wildcat cartridge out there that a lot of people use for it. It was very popular back in the day, in like the turn of the last century. Yeah, you know night, Well, this pistol was made, and I think my particular one was made in nineteen oh seven. You know the Colt nineteen oh three came out nineteen oh three. Yeah, I think Colt came out with their little pot I could hammer less than nineteen oh three as well. I have one of those two. It was terrible, It was well, it was it was. It's the grip is too small, the sites are too close together, the it was not designed with a shooter in mind. It was designed to be a pocket pistol that was easily concealable, that was light, and it was comfortable, and it had held ten rounds or more than a revolver, which at the time was what most people would have. And what were what was the common revolver cartridge of that time, thirty two Smith and West. It was, yeah, thirty two Smith and Wessel. So why thirty two auto was very common? Yeah, So, I mean I guess I'm saying, is like the fact this thirty two thirty two Auto really tells you Yeah, yeah, it is twenty back when thirty two was an upgrade from twenty five it was. But I mean you're talking about a throwback to a time like pre nine milimeter, pre forty five ACP. I mean that was a time period where like, yeah, thirty two auto that was the defecto that was it was the semi auto cartridge. You know, unless you get you to Europe where they had some some odd balls. But even in. Europe you got like the Boorchard and the C ninety six that were the original chamber of like thirty miles or like small small boar handgun carts just were the soup de jour of the day. Oh it was. And part of that was due to the fact that they were all direct blowback. Yep. So you know there are some limitations for caliber when you get into direct blowback in pistols, but. Especially with the metallurgy of the time. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're okay to be fair, To be fair, the metal urgy was good enough to do the nineteen eleven in nineteen oh three, it was. It wasn't the design wasn't around at that point, but the metals technology didn't change that much until well, let's see, Rome moli steel had been around, manganese steel was around. You didn't get the more consistent blends of steel until mid World War one and beyond. The Actually World War one really pushed steel manufacturing consistency quite rapidly. Well, World War one and two did what every war has done, which is take the take the speed lever on technology and shove it all the way forward. Yeah, with unlimited government money printing. Yes, yeah, well but even you and I've had the conversation about like just the way body armor exploded in developmental capacity from like JIWAT two thousand, Well, yeah, from two thousand and three at the very beginning of GWAT to what the issue today. It's gone through several generational over you know, the turnovers in just a span of like ten years. I mean even like the stuff I was issued in two thousand and four when I jumped the BERM in Iraq compared notes to the guys that were deployed in two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. Man, it's it's a completely it's a completely different world. Just that fast. Everything we did, Everything we started OIF with was obsolete by the time we got home. Yep, we were. We were learning that fast. And not just not just armor, I mean, hell, I fact, medical equipment, friggin SOPs, every everything changed at warp speed because it got it got subjected to the ultimate you know BS filter. Does it work or does it get you killed? Yeah? Exactly, And if it doesn't work, you have a pressure test that is non falsifiable. You can't falsify combat. So to your point about downsizing some of the guns in your collection because they just don't fit. To don't I mean another one's my three hundred wind mag. As much as I love that rifle, uh, there is nothing in this state that requires a three hundred wind mag to hunt. Just let's let's be completely realisticure. Not only can you not hunt legally with a three hundred wind mag, I can't even shoot it at most of the ranges around by me. I have to drive out of state to find a range that has longer than one hundred yards. And I'm not taking that three hundred wind mag out on one hundred yard range. That's it's it's it's not even getting the cartridge to begin to stretch. I can't use bullet to bullet deviation at one hundred yards with that rifle. That's like using a nuke sub to go to go freaking trout fishing exactly. It's just it's just not appropriate to me at one hundred yard range. Three hundred yards I consider kind of like my minimum for bringing that rifle with me anymore. Now that I have the loads developed for it, and and I can put them exactly whethy I intend them to go, it's kind of like it's a waste. It's a waste of the f. That's kind of the reason I've talked myself out of three thirty lapua so many times because like, do I want one just because it's a big, silly cartridge that I can play around with and make big, big, big noises at the gun range. Absolutely, that's a pretty good reason to buy anything. It's just because it puts a big stupid smile on your face. But practically, realistically, knowing the way I am with firearms, I bought an eight hundred and something dollar bread at eight three hundred. I have spent well more than that that amount, plus another fifty percent in outfitting that shotgun, ammunition, optic and everything else. And it's just like I know that the cost of the cost of entry to a decent three thirty eight. Hey, you know Lapoo Magnum, what do you think nick, eight hundred to twelve hundred bucks. I think Savage makes one if I remember correctly, that was in one Yeah, the Savage one ten. I think it was in the nine hundreds high eight hundreds low nine hundreds. So you know, not bad. But now you're into a thousand. Now you're into Magnum scopes too. Yeah, so call it one thousand dollars out the door, and then add a scope and scope rings, and add several extra magazines, because let's just call what it is. I'm not going to free and run out of the door with just one magum. I have several spare exactly, and then the absolutely asinine cost that I'm going to I would subject myself to tool up my reloading bench to reload three thirty. Pool, which is Magnum press number one, because it won't those cartridges won't fit in your rock trucker or your Hornity or your or you're Dylan. They are you sure they don't fit in a rock tchucker? I am certain they don't fit in a rockchrucker. Because that is why I did not buy the three thirty eight that a friend of mine had for sale. Because because I know for a fact that our CBS makes a press specific for fifty BMG. You do, and you, but I do remember all the belted magnums. I could well walk, But I'm fairly certain three thirty eight Lapua is one of the one of the taller magnums that does not fit in a rock chucker. But let's I guess what I'm saying is like, let's obscate that for a second, let's say that I'm right and you're wrong. You can actually reload in a rock chucker. Any one of the comments section cares to taking me a task on that. I thought that was the case, but I'm not married to that opinion. But let's say for a moment you are. You're talking about a set of dies, which could be the cheap part of this. Yeah, and then you're talking about powder, And if I recall correctly, one pound jug of a one pound jug of powder would loads something like what was it, thirty five to forty five rounds at a one pound of powder, depending on the load you were using the powder like you will, I would shoot through an eight pound jug of powder just doing load development. Plus all the bullets, and three thirty caliber bullets are not freaking cheap. And then I'm gonna need to go talk to someone to have my shoulder rearranged afterwards, because a three thirty lapoo magnum is a bastard of a heavy hitting right, Oh, just put a brake. On it, blow out the ear drums of the range master and put a brake on it. Oh who the other thing that I can't afford to screw up any worse. It already is, Nick, I already have a blown rotator cuff and I lost half the hearing of this year. What else have I got to lose? It's fine, it's plugging muff them incorrect not belted. I didn't think it was belting. I think it was belted. But I was under the impression that the brath, that the case length was similar to the belted cartridges, which I apparently I am wrong. Hey, I would learn something today. Yeah, I was about to say, dude, like the rock chuckers, it's a tall press. It is. It's a fairly tall press. I think. The only thing you can't reload in if I remember I was fifty bmg. And that's cause like the entire case is as tall as the ram is. Well, yeah there's that, but in any case, so you could fit in your breast. Jeff, I have to disagree with you. I kind of do need my hearing. According to my wife's she gets very aggravated at me having to repeat herself multiple times. But anyway, no, like, I totally understand what you're saying, dude, and like, it's it's the it's the it's the situation. I think a lot of us run into a certain point like, okay, we listen, the two of us, everybody in the chat right now, we're all gun guys. Yep. We all like firearms like they're they're they're interesting, they're frigging fun to mess around with. Shooting is an incredible skill to learn into hone it is. It's a multidisciplinary skill. And to top it all off, like me, I have a thing for mechanical things. I've always been very mechanically inclined, and I love of tearing apart and learning how guns work because it is like this, It is like a physics lesson crashed face first into a grandfather clock. It's all springs and levers and angles and it's a physics lesson. They're cool, but it is kind of ghast in the farm's community to ever say I don't need any more. I need to sell some. But I think after you've been doing this for a while, like at a certain point you're good, you're prone to do that, like you start thinking about like do I really need it? And the problem I fall into lately isn't even like, oh I've got too many guns. I need to get rid of some. It's more like that'd be fun to shoot a couple of times. But am I going to keep up with it? And as it stands like I've got firearms and that's safe that I'm thinking to myself like I need to put those in rotation to train with them, because I've gotten so rusty on the manual of arms. I've gotten so rusty on shooting them. What I am I incapable of using them? No? Am I capable of using them to the standard that I've kind of set for myself. Absolutely not. I haven't touched them too long. Yeah, And making those repeated trips out to the range on a regular basis to keep that skill sharp gets a little tricky at a standpoint, you know, when you have a lot of family obligations, when you have a teenage daughter, when you have a family, when you have enough things going on in your life. Yes, as an adult, you start you start doing the cost benefit analysis on your time. You do on your time, you know, And part of it, too, to me, is consolidating calibers down a little bit. Again, I used to have a three fifty seven, I had forty five. I had a thirty car being I'm basically down to thirty odd six three hundred win mag nine millimeter twelve gage five five six. So let's polishers off with real question. If you could buy it tomorrow, no matter how many you had, no matter whether you needed another one or not. What is the gun or guns plural? That like, if it became available tomorrow, you'd run out and get it. I have always wanted to, and it's illegal in my state, so this will not happen. Oh yeah, Stuart, I've got a twenty two. I've got two of them. I don't count. I don't count those as calibers. That's a requirement if you own a gun safe to have a twenty two. But I think the Bunny, yes I bought. I do have the Bretta and Neo still in the safe. I bought three quarters of the farms I owned before I owned it. Twenty two Wow? Man, Well the yeah, No, I can't say that. But I would love to get my hands on a modern bullpop either to War seven, one of the Keeltech rdb's RFBS one of the two, or a desert tactical something like that. Not just scary guys trying to move in on your Kno. Absolutely not. My wife will not allow it. She loves that pistol, but simply because it's a manual of arms. It's a style of firearm that I've only ever gotten to shoot at a machine gun shoot. And it was a stirerog and I loved it. I loved how it reloaded, I loved how it moved, I loved the balance of it. I hated the trigger. And if there's one thing I have heard about modern bullpups over the stire og is the trigger has been improved. And I always wanted to have one. And I was putting money aside because I tried to budget my firearms purchases, my fun purchases pretty diligently, because, to be honest, firearms are expensive, ammunition is expensive, optics are expensive. It's all fucking expensive. Trying to be a good boy, trying to do the adult thing, and I was being reasonable about my firearms budget. I was about five hundred bucks shy of where I wanted to be in cash in the safe for popping down to my local FFL dealer and ordering it to work. When the Illinois Assault Weapons BAM went into practice, dumb YEP, so I went on the right side. If it ever gets overturned, then that could be a celebrations. Oh absolutely would. But here's the thing. You'll not be able to get one because everybody in Illinois will be buying all the shit that they were wanting to buy for the last ten years. Because let's be honest, this is not changing anytime soon. The Supreme Court has had multiple opportunities. It has an opportunity ahead of it right now. I don't think they will do it. I really don't. I have no faith in them to uphold the Constitution anymore. I hate it. I don't like agreeing with you, but you've heard what I've said on that front. I should be amazing. I would absolutely buy one of those, Jeff, mostly to gift to my brother because he likes antique obscure firearms. So I've got two, and one of them is something I actually am I'm debating with myself going and getting and it's not like it's rare, it's just an I have to have the discussion with myself. I'm really thinking hard about going out and getting a CZ seventy five compact BD. Okay, okay, So that specific gun, because it is dimensionally almost the same as the cannon see one hundred. That I currently carry, which is itself a CZ compact clone. The primary difference is being that it's only slightly heavier because it's dimensionally a little bit different, still has a lumined frame. It's a dedicated dcocker gun, which my current gun is a manual safety and you have to like put your thumb over the firing pin and then drop the hammer on your thumb to like, you know, put it down to half cockniedge. Yeah, any listen, I understand the cringe, but I'm just gonna say, if you put your thumb on the back of the slide of a gun and you drop the hammer onto your thumb and you move your thumb out of the way after the hammer is firmly resting on it and that gun goes off, you can tar and feather me. I've never seen it happen before in my life. I have seen plenty of people let a hammer slip away from them trying to ease it down with their thumb, and I've seen one who moved their thumb out the way before the hammer came down. That was dumb. But the way I do it is the safest way to do it. But I would much prefer to have all right, Stewart said, we just went live on fake book. I would much prefer to have like a true decocker, cuz and honestly like this Sea one hundred. So I just renewed my carry permit for the second time. So you've been carrying it five years? Ten years? No, no, no, it's I just renewed it for the second time. I've had this. I've had this or I've had a concealed carry permit for fifteen years now, No, ten years, yep, got it, renewed it once, five years, renewed second time. So yeah, I've had this carry permit at ten years. I've been carrying the Sea one hundred. I've had the Sea one hundred a little bit longer than that, but this Sea one hundred has been in continuous carrying usage for ten years. I am skidding to the point where I would feel better having a second gun that is ostensibly similar enough that holsters, magazines and everything else transposes over that way if I if one goes down, I've got a spare, or god forbid, one ends' been an evidence locker. You could And this is what I like to recommend to people if they've got a gun that they carry a lot, or that they run at the range a lot. Do a spring refresh kit, Yep. It's so cheap and so easy. It's slightly less easy with a CZ, especially like the seventy five series of guns, because the changing the main spring is stupidly easy. Changing the hammer spring is not difficult, but changing the trigger trigger return spring on the bastards, which is what tends to break, that can get a little personnicicity. But to me, but if it's a spring that's known to fail on those guns, and I would imagine you shoot your carry gun about as much as I do, if not more, that might need to be done. Because look, man, you're only gonna you're only gonna get one hammer drop, probably when you really need it. So if that trigger doesn't work, mm hmm, you know. Pardon me, I have to slap Stewart. Yes, I know you've been care I know you've had a consal carreer permits in nineteen ninety five. Stewart, you've been alive since the Alamo. Hush. Yeah. Also, I was five. I was not eligible for concealed carry permit. In nineteen nine I was I was thirteen. Yep, also not eligible for Conzil care permit, which is unconstitutional. No, doctor, Scary Guy Stewart is not wiser. He's just older. He's also quite wise. The man knows a lot of things. Don't tell him that his head is going to get so small he'll be inside. Have to give respect to the acquired knowledge. It's been very for me in the past. I will. I will give deference for respecting our elders, as long as you admit he is elder. Yes, yes, elder is. A nice way of saying old. Yes, even though he probably has more he has more hair than I do. That's all right anyway. So yeah, I am heavily considering going out getting a seventy five seventy five Compact Beatie, just to have like that backup carry gun and then to see one hundred and it can trade places back and forth. They take this mags. They fit in the same holsters, really and truly it'd be swap one for the other. And the one gun that is like my unicorn gun I would buy tomorrow if I got a half assed decent deal on one is a Mataba, sayunico, I'm not familiar with that one, okay, so let me try this one on for size. You've seen a Chiapa rhino, right, yes, okay, so that's like you know, the your barrel indexes on the bottom of the bottom cylinder. It was designed by the same man that did the design work for Ma Taba back in the nineties that the design to say Unica, so it is fairly similar. It had it in the barrel indexes off the bottom of the cylinder. It's actually it's not a brake action, but the top of the there is no like top strap on the frame. Interesting and the interesting part is this is a semi automatic revolver, so the the top frame and the bottom frame are are railed together and when you pull the trigger, the whole top revolver like recoils. Bad. It's like that one weird bastard Webley. Yeah, but Italian hate that. That's so much. It's okay, but hear me out. First of all, it's Italian. Yeah, that's worcond of all. I've been I've been a a Taba nerd, Yes, anime nerd. I've been a Matava nerd ever since I saw the Mataba two thousand and six on Ghosts in the Shell. And the Sayunica is just like it's that weirder. Yeah, and actually oddly enough more available. Like the sayunicas are rare, but the two thousand and six is are like Hen's teeth. But it's it's it's this, it's this interesting, weird old Italian revolver. They're beautifully made. Sure, the bluing on them is second to nine. The wood grips are perfectly made. It's a it is a beautiful, beautiful, it is everything you expect of Italian craftsmanship. They actually run fairly well from what I've told the only problem is the four fifty four cassoles tend to crack the grips. Okay, I could see that, So go from wood grips and go to polymer, or go to go to aluminum scales. I want I don't want that. I wanted three seven, I understand. Yeah, that's my unicorn gun. That's fair. It is pretty. It would be a fun thing to shoot at the range. It has no practical purpose, it is it has no practical purpose but to put a smile on my face. And I've wanted one since I was a teenager and I first got into guns. And they're just they're not a common thing to see trade trade hands, and when one does trade hands, it's like it's like cheap used car money for God's sake. Yeah, that that can be some of the problems. Fortunately, I've never I've never had a gun that I felt I I very much had to have like that. That's been a very expensive firearm. I tend to like the I don't know, I kind of tend to like the common guns of Remington seven hundreds, you know, burn A three hundreds MMPs. You know, I'm not a huge fan of blocks. I've never really liked how the grips feel. But you know, I don't know. I mean, I've encountered a number of extremely rare older guns just because of the circles I run in. An odd number of tool makers are also obsolete obscure gun collectors and remanufacturers. Okay, so let's go through the list. Tool maker. The vendt get diagram for tool maker is like tool maker autistic likes obscure guns, marry into obscure things. Mary's teachers plays Warhammer at tabletop ARP. Actually, very few of them play Warhammer. That's kind of a really Yeah. I only know one other guy who's in machining that plays Warhammer, and I play the game store that has like seventy or eighty people that play Warhammer, which is a shocking number from the size of my town. Interesting. Yeah, I'm there's more diesel mechanics than there are machinists at the Warhammer tables. Okay, color me, color me shop. But I've worked with four or five different guys that do home gunsmithing, like on the side as tool makers, and it's always for old, obsolete antique firearms. Well anyway, so yeah, that's like my one unicorn. I would I'd pick up a say Unica. The problem is, the last time I saw one tray Hands was I don't know, ten years ago, and it was like fourteen hundred bucks. Now that I know it exists, I will put the word out to all the weird gun collectors I know and I'll see. If I can't find you one, I'll make you. Just be an, Just be advised. The fourteen hundred dollars when I saw trade Hands ten years ago did not include the spare barrels and like all the acouterments. Oh, you're looking for roe with the whole deal. On the one hand, I wouldn't be heartbroken bad it because like, for me, I want to. Shoot the thing. I'm a collector, but I'm a collector who likes to shoot my stuff. Like I would never own a firearm. I was scared to shoot because I'm gonna shoot the damn thing. I mean, I've been willed firearms that I take out to the range and shooting. Because if it's so finicky or so delicate that I can't shoot it, I just don't. I'm not interested anymore. But that being said, you know it did come with I want to say, it came with what was it two four and six or maybe it was like three six and eight. It came with three different barrels and the barrel jackets. It's it's kind of a thing. Google it if you're curious. Yeah, I'll look into it. But you could literally, like if you had all the pieces, you could swap the barrels out on these things to literally like take the shore barrel out, put the longer one end, swap the spring so you can shoot thirty eight specials out of and set three sevens, which it'll if you have the three seven springs that it will shoot thirty It's just fine. It just won't cycle because too much spring pressure. Right, it's not going to move the slide top well, cylinder slide barrel assembly. Figure that, Figure that out. I'm not sure what would be for that one. Think about think about the revolver you had and then bans all the thing in half like barrel. I've handled one of those raila together. I've handled one of those weblades. Okay, well this is this is Italian Webley made in like the early to mid nineties. Oh god, well that might actually be decent. Oh here's doctor scary guy Mataba revolving car being in forty four magnum for fifteen and a half k. Okay, So the revolving car being he's referring to is basically the Sayunica with a shoulder stock and like a car being link barrel, it's exact same thing. Those things go for a lot more money, though, because like of the say Unicas, the three seven is the most common, followed by the forty four and the four fifty four was exceedingly rare. The most common of the revolving car beings are orders of magnitude more rare than any of the Sayunicas were, So fifteen stacks not not even shocked. That sounds about like right, that's sucks. Yeah, you know, if only I'd had a cheaper hobby like cocaine. Well, I guess if you get into Noah, it might be cheaper. I don't know. I keep telling my wife that she is by far the most expensive habit I've ever developed. Well, and then she keeps saying more expensive the cars, and I'm like, much more expensive than cars, yeah, much more expensive. Cars are a self limiting expense. Bold of you to make that assertion. We'll go with that. There's only so many parts that fit. Everything fits if you weld it or grind it. No, no, no, there are certain things that should not be welded. And ground you. Didn't say should not, you said could not. It's fair there are well, there are magnesium blocks that you cannot weld. Dude, I've seen an LS swap Twitter prius. Don't play games with me. Okay, let's get the topic. Revolution or insurgency, And we have to start off by coming to terms because I started this discussion and Patron chat awhile back saying that you know what we're witnessing this country is is is an insurgency, and Stewart got old man aggravated at me and said it was a revolution. That insurgencies and revolutions are different, And I looked up the definition, and they're similar enough that I would love to say that Stewart is wrong. And Nick said, it's kind of like not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles. It sounds a lot like trying to make the old man feel better about being right. Well, no, because you can absolutely have a revolution without an insurgency. You can absolutely have an insurgency that is not a revolution. They often overlap or are attempting to overlap. But you know, I guess the point is that we don't know whether it will be a revolution or not attempted or otherwise. Yet we do know that with the leagues out of Minneapolis, that it's looking like an attempted insurgency and an attempted color revolution, including potentially backers foreign to the US. No, I will, I will grant you that as a fair take kind of what we were talking about. And you know, for the for the audience that isn't read into this like this, this conversation kind of spun up on the heels of all of the the incredible malfeasance going on in several major population centers around the country, followed by the revelation that there was a significant amount. Of billions of odd Well, I. Was gonna say the core. I was going to refer to the significant coordination. Oh yeah, that was going on within these groups, between these groups across different cities, in between different groups and different. Cities lost state lines. Yeah, there, there's This is more organized than a quote unquote organic protest. It is. I I don't think anymore you can call these these riots, these targetings of ICE agents. I don't think that you can call them protests anymore. I think that given what we what we now know with these leaks, that these are being these are coordinated attacks with intelligence gathering operations behind them. That is an active insurgency. Yeah, go ahead, not I get a feed of the road, but I didn't want to interrupt you. It's okay, now, I I is is it a violent insurgency? Some of it is? For sure? Does that mean we are going to continue to see escalation? Probably? I think. So kind of from my perspective, like now, bearing in mind that like I've been on the my experience with insurgency dates back to like, you know, two thousand and four in Iraq and witnessing the very upclose, personal, first hand effects of that, and the parallels I see to what's going on in this country that's coming to light now are a little concerning because it's the it's not the violence as bad as that silence. It's not the violence that catches my attention. Violence is. Not desirable, but it in and of itself doesn't really alarm me at this point, which probably says more about my mental state than most things. I think it's something more about the state of political discourse than anything. I don't even know so much of that, but like for me, I guess, like my brain just because of my time in the military, I just compartmentalize all that like violence is just violence, you know, something to be responded to. The Thing that alarms me about all this is the level of organization that I'm witnessing around this now, Like this is you know, in the in past years. You would only know this if you've spent the last ten years or so crawling the dark parts of the Internet where the average person does not go and never will go and isn't supposed to go. That I've been crawling, mostly out of just morbid curiosity, and also because if you sit in a dark and if you sit in a dark corner of room long enough, people start talking as if no one's listening. Yep, let's leave it at that. And the group of people who were organizing and participating in the action right now ten years ago were kind of comical. They were their their level of their level of training was a giggle. Their ability to coordinate was laughable. Their their their real hands on training and things that make a difference in physical altercations was zero. They had no hand in hand training, no combat training, no firearms training, uh, the most rudimentary understanding of communications principles. They had no op sect, they had no information gathering ability. They were a joke, sure for anybody that remembers like the first Trump administration, some of the nonsense that came out of that, some of these idiots that were ending into the ground and carrying like airsoft guns with backwards optics and shit. That was the state of this large broad coalition of agitators at that time. Now what I'm seeing is alarming because it's completely different in the prevailing eight years. Why file the broad coalition of the rioty pretty much sat on their asses. The Left got super serious and super driven about getting up to speed on things very very very quickly, and they do understand. They have fully embraced they have fully embraced military veterans who have hands on experience in combat zones, either volunteer in Ukraine, volunteering in the Middle East, or with the US Armed Services, who think the way they do. They've embraced those people into their ranks. They've received the lessons those people had to teach about the conflicts they were in, which are largely urban conflicts fought against an opposing force with greater capabilities like perfect tailor made insurgency training. They understand opsec, operational security, they understand INFOSEC, they understand how to gather information, they understand how to pass and it has information. They understand how to communicate, They organize. They've formed decentralized and specialized information gathering and disseminating groups, which is very very key. Yeah, but like I said, it's all those things that it's all those things that concern me when I look at this, because, like, yes, whether you call it an insergency or revolution, to me personally, it's kind of six and way half a dozen the other it for the average person, it will end up being the same end result. It's violence in the streets. It's going to escalate because that's just what happens these things. These things never put themselves out by themselves. No they don't because regardless, you know, Jeff makes a point here that I think we should address escalation will depend on the election results. The goals to get rid of the maga, maybe, But the problem that you're going to have is the left is to do violent thing over here and they get the result they want. You know what that teaches people? That teaches a lot more idios work, some of which are on the right, that if I do enough violence, I get what I want. So, you know what, it worked for them. Guess what my turn now, I get what I want. Now. That is what the likely response will be, not by everybody, But it doesn't take everybody to start an escalatory spiral. It only takes a few imbeciles. You know how a swing work nicks like a kid's toy. I got a playground a swing, right, So you swing your feedback and forth, and every time you go through a revolution of swing forward, swing bag swing forward, swing back. You go a. Little further each direction, and a little further each direction. It's like a pendulum escalating itself backwards and forwards. It goes a little higher every time, a little further every time. That's these things insurgency. It's not the fact that one side is always going to push push push push push, because eventually gravity wins and the pendulum swings back the other direction. The problem is is when the gravity and when the pendulum swings back to the other direction, and the other side pushes against it, and now it swings back even further this direction. And then when the pendulum finally runs out of gas starts swinging back the other direction, that side pushes it even further, and it becomes this constant tip for tat that goes back and forth and back and forth, and the violence continues to escalate. Yep, And it doesn't have an endpoint. That's the worry. Oh shirt does, Okay, suret does. It doesn't have a happy end point. Gosh, no, everything has an endpoint though. Yeah, well, the endpoint if the endpoint if other if other insurgencies are to be are to be an example is eventually one side gets tired of screwing around and tries to dedicate the other correct. The end point is is typically either political or ethnogenocide, yeah, or attempt set at one of the two. And if not ethnogenocide, then just genocide against the perceived other side. That's what I'm not. I'm sure there's a word for it, but I call it like political. Not ethnic, but ideological genocide. But yeah, and I mean and the and the problem is, like, I'm sure you're enough of a history nerd to know that these things don't happen. These things don't usually come to a head and happen and are over and done with in a single generation. It happened in a year. These things go on and on and on and on. And they also don't happen without external motivators and support. Yeah, and that's been the weird part that's been coming out because what was it a couple of months ago X started posting the base I think based on the IP addresses. The educations of where the users are posting from. And it turns out most of the most extreme voices on the left and right are all coming from underseas. Yep, left and right, all the people that are stoking both of those fires, all the people pushing the pendulum back and forth. They're all overseas and have no skin in this. I wouldn't say, but they're happy. They're happy of them, are a great many of them. But they're more than happy to encourage you to pick up a flash bang and blow your hands off. Oh yeah, absolutely, or run over an ICE agent and get shot, or become shot in a questionable shoot because you were obstructing an ICE officer. Yep, I mean that to me. That's that's the that's the concerning part of this. Nick. There's all this pressure, and there's all this there's all of this talk, and there's all of this propaganda, and it is all laser focused on pushing the United States into a kinetic conflict. With itself, because that's that's most realistically the only way our foreign adversaries can do anything to the US. Our military is too strong, our population is too large, our economic factors are too great. Kind of like unrestricted warfare all over again. It is, that's exactly what it is. But yeah, yep. I want to ask the question, but there's no answer for it. I know, though, go ahead ask it. What do you do? What is it? What does anybody do in a situation like this? Because I over over a course of many years podcasting ten years, actually this this year in August will make ten years. What do you do? Something special when we get close to aful But over the course of podcasting for ten years, I've been very careful in this space, the preparedness space, not to do two things. I don't like doom and gloom and you know, emergency. Swapping and all that. I don't like going to the audience and saying be scared by stuff. It's not productive, that it's not productive, and it just feels icky. And I've seen way too many prepper shows participated in it, and I hate doing it. I don't do it. The other thing I absolutely hate doing is to say this sucks, suck it up, buttercup, because there's no way to fix it, and so it's situations like this, I don't know, dude, I've only got one trick up my sleeve and it's not a universal fix. I would say, the only thing that we can do to address this problem is to continue the dialogue. That's that's really all you can do. Because when you're continuing it with the people that aren't the insane people that are being radicalized, because the more the more of the independence, the moderate leftists, the moderate right wing people, whoever, they're not the minority. The minority are these insane people that are picking up flashbanks because picking up random hand grenades is a great idea. You know, running over cops with your car is a great way to get home safely to your children. You know that those are not mentally stable people. We were never going to be able to have a discussion with those people. We weren't. It's the rest of the people that I want that we need to keep talking to because eventually, through social ostracism, you can push people back into line. Why do you think they've been trying so hard to get rid of social pressure and ostracization for bad behavior, because it works, Yeah, it does. And honestly, if you've got that crazy left wing coworker that's saying or right wing coworker that's saying, we have to do X y Z, we got to get violent, no, shame that person, seriously, shame that person. Tell them that they are a psychopath and they deserve to be in a mental institution. And you're going to do anything you can to get that mental institution back open, because that's what these people are. They're nuts, they're not sane, they are not stable, and they were never going to be rational to begin with. But what you can do is at least make it so it's socially uncomfortable for them, because to be fair, a lot of the normal people have been too passive about that for a very. Long time that we do agree about because I've I've levied that at I've levied that at Christians, I've levied that at Conservatives. M h. I mean, dude, you and I've had this conversation about all the freaking conservative circles. I got run out of ten years ago because I was the crazy guy in the room saying we should be trying to tear down the NFA and we shouldn't be buying text teams. We should be screaming at our politicians saying this is unconstitutional and yep, taking them to task that if you know. I mean, like I was the person saying that you can't comply your way out of bad laws and tyranny. You have to you have to push against them using the process, and I got I got basically cast out of a lot of conservative circles for making statements that ten years later most people in the meanstream gun culture are making. Yep, that's the only way it's going to move in the right direction realistically. And the only thing I would add to that well, And actually it's not adding to it. It's pretty much what you said, just with a slightly different tinge on it. So I've been having Cora up now. It bears pointing out that, like I've been talking to my child for literal years about you know, the foundation of this country, the background of our laws, our founding fathers. Like I've I've always taken the standpoint I encourage other parents and if you're not a parent and you have young people in your life, teenage, preteens, ants, and you know, like nieces, nephew's, cousins, whatever, I encourage everyone to get involved in young people's lives. But I've always taken the point of view of if you don't know your history, then someone can lie to you about your history. If you don't know your rights, you don't have them. If you don't know the law, and people can lie to you about what the law says. And the other thing I've always been very quick to point to push on her is do your own research, get your own facts. Don't take what I say for granted. Go learn for yourself, make your own opinion, and then defend it. She's come to me several times just in the last several months with something she saw on social media, something she heard from a friend of hers at school that didn't pass the sniff test, gone and done her own research and then come and talk to me about it and be like, I got told this, but this is what I found out. What do you know about this? And these are things she brings to me and we agree on like ninety percent of the thing. There are things she and I just don't see eye to eye on, Like that's that's having teenagers, boys and girls, for those of you have them, Like there there is a cigar and a glass of whiskey waiting for you in heaven. Just take more word on it. We gotta see. Wait, we got our seat picked out and ready for us. Hey, we were all teenagers at one point making our parents' lives. Hell, it's just your turn. Thanks, thanks, guys. I remember what I was like as a teenager. I was painting the ass well parenting myself is is a task sometimes. Damn it, child, Why did I educate you? And by the way, parenting smart children is a much much more gigantic pain in the ass. Because I told you so. It doesn't really hold water anymore, does it fell? No more than it did when I heard that. I don't even try that maneuver because I know how that's gonna end. I remember that. But I mean, I agree with you that, like we have to try to push the needle any way we can, we have to talk to the people that are in the middle. And a lot of times those people in the middle, they're the people closest to you. There they are they are your friends and your family, and your neighbors and your coworkers. And I find that very often because like I'm hm, I was about to say, I'm very middle of the road. But let's let's let's be honest with Joe. Most of all, I have been watching me for several years and know that I'm an autistic idiot on a ramt. Most of the time. I can modulate my opinion enough to appear to be a pretty reasonable person sometimes, but I find myself in the middle of these conversations with people that I don't necessarily agree with, but they feel comfortable talking to me because I don't freak out and jump down their throat about stuff. I'm just gonna say. Yeah, I don't see it that way. I see it this way. The actor, Yeah, it's it is much more difficult to be mad at the rational actor than the irrational, crazy person screaming at street signs. Yeah. I think that's the part that worries me, though, is that, like, there's a saying, and you might have heard it before, and I'm kind of notorious for saying It'll were in this house at least, but you know why you never played chess with a pigeon? Mm hmmm, Because no matter how good you are at chess, they're going to flip the board over, shit on everything, and strut away like they won. And that's the part of this discussion, that's the part of social media that really frustrates and scares the crap out of me, is that there's a whole bunch of pigeons out there. There are that I look at and think you just flipped over the board and crapped on everything and walked away like you won. But there's other people saying, yeah, yeah, the pigeon won the chess game, and I'm like, oh my god, it's idiocracy in real life. Well, what we have to remember is that prior to social media and prior to the Internet, the village idiot was the only idiot in that village. Maybe they had two, and if you come from a medium sized hometown, you probably had a half a dozen. They all hung out at the same bar and nobody paid attention to them because they were all getting drunk together in the corn. Okay, now what you have is every single idiot from every single village all coming together and going, you know what, men can get pregnant. That's what you have. And so you're saying that the idiots are reinforcing each other. Oh, they are. The idiots are reinforcing each other. That's why we need to worry more about the other rational adults in the room. Yeah, I think Jeff is saying that those are the people that we have to talk out a collapse in the system. You'd be honest that I don't think we can. But I think what I think what can. What makes makes my head hurt the worst, though, is that it's not the village idiot. You're never gonna You're never gonna talk them out, You're never going to save them. The people that. Frustrate me the worst, they're the ones who make decisions based on emotion, and emotion is inherently flawed because it doesn't have any rational basis, and very often the people that are making those decisions emotionally are not going to be the ones that immediately feel the outcome of those decisions. And I keep saying people, what I really mean is a substantial portion of females. Yeah, but I hate to say it that way because there's a bunch of ladies out there that are probably thinking, yourself, I'm very rational, and I'm I'm delighted and proud of y'all. I married one, and y'all are a rare gift from God. But I guarantee each one of them knows a dozen others that don't. I don't think rationally about most of the things they do. And I think a large part of that comes down to a little bit biology. Fair Enough, you have to respond emotionally to children, I get it. And the other part of it comes down to the fact that they are not responsible for the outcome of their vote, because it's always men that have to go off and die for that. Whatever the outcome of the vote is, they are not equally responsible. There's a paper that every man listening to this, and every man in the US says over the age of eighteen has had to sign. Funny story, I didn't, you didn't. I did not. I enlisted when I was seventeen. Okay, that's fair, you are already interested, So I should say the majority of US had to sign the Selective Service paperwork comes with getting your eighteen year old driver's license, you know, the one where they change it around a little bit. Seems no longer a let me the call that probationary driver's life since, Yeah, in order to write vote, you have to be signed up for the Selective Service. Yeah. I love to drop that on people that I was eligible to get. I was eligible to play with the machine guns before I was eligible to vote. Accurate. But I think that is the biggest part of it is for many generations now women have had the right to vote, excellent. I think it's a good idea, but they've not had the responsibility that comes along with that vote. Every right has an equal responsibility attached to it, or should have an equal responsibility attached to it. The Second Amendment the biggest of all. If you're going to have a gun, you're responsible for every bullet that's fired. If you're going to cast a vote, you should be responsible for the penalties that come from that vote that you cast. Well, this is my greatest argument against universal suffrage, because I tend to think that if you're not contributing to the federal tax, if you're not contributing, if you don't own property and pay taxes, you shouldn't be voting for how these tax stars could spend. There's an argument to be made. It's a damn good argument, I think. And doctor scary guy, how is that even legal? Voluntear? We put you in jail? Absolute definition of dress. Yeah, welcome to the United States of America. Welcome to every country on the planet. I mean, look at Switzerland, it's not optional. You will be in the Swiss military. Israel Israel is another one. Is it better? I don't know. It is. It does give off mild Starship Trooper vibe. So it does. Did you ever read the Starship Troopers book? I have not. It's it's on a list of things that I keep telling myself I need to read because everybody ke's recommending it. But it's, like Jesus, you really do. Because it is. It is not a fascist dystopia like the movie is it is. It is very different. It is extreme eely different. I thought it was an analogy for invading another country for oil. Well, you need to read the book. I would say, you need to read the book. There's a lot more to it than that. There's a lot more to it than that. Jeff Jag is saying Finland has mandatory service too, but Finland, Finland is an interesting place though, because Finland, like their national sport is shooting Russians. That's true. So you know, like mandatory service is really more like an after school elective for them. Yeah, it's like if if if you want to, if you want to be able to shoot the Russians, you have to eat your vegetables and practice with your rifle. And you know, this is like the conversation you and I had forever ago when we were talking, when Putin was making was saber rattling about Europe. Coworker that cannot wait to go some Russians. He will go back in a heartbeat for a Polish Russian war. Yeah, there is a ten out of ten chance that if Russia ever invades Finland and or Poland that you're going I Am going to have several episodes of just watching war footage and laughing about it because the Poles and the Fins cannot stand Russians. And they've spent the entire time since the collapse of the Soviet Union arming to get to deal with Russia. Yes, what was Paul will be pulling Moses out from underneath his bed mattress to freaking go back to go to back to work. It will go down. But you know, just to clarify, this is not to be said that women shouldn't vote, or that women don't have any right to vote. I just think they need to have the same responsibility as everyone else. And whether that means getting rid of the draft entirely or including them in the draft, that's fine, as long as you have the same responsibility for the same right. Yeah. I always get weird at a moment like this because, like for purely selfish reasons, having a daughter, I absolutely don't want her involved in the draft. I get it the draft, but if I have a. Son I wouldn't want him involved in the draft either. Well, and maybe this would be a fun thing around this out with. So here's here's my synopsis on the idea of a draft. And by the way, this is exactly what I would apply, like in Ukraine, where you had young Ukrainian men that were jumping the border the left right center, trying to get away from the war. And by the way, young Russians who are malingering because they were trying not get sent to the Free in Front. If you have to conscript your people to go fight in a war, that in and of itself is an indictment of the validity of the war in the eyes of the people. Take the difference between Vietnam and World War Two or World War One. Either World War two is probably a better example for this. World War Two you have fifteen year olds forging birth certifics kids to go fight the freaking Japanese in the Pacific and one of the most brutal conflicts of a generation. And in Vietnam you have people that are literally like smuggling themselves in luggage to Canada to get away from the draft. Because the prevailing sentiment at the time in World War two was is our patriotic duty to fight for the country we were because we have been attacked and we are fighting back. And in Vietnam, the prevailing sentiment was this and' our fight. We got no business being involved in this. Why am I getting sent to Southeast Asia to get shot at in a foreign land for someone else's soil? And that, in and of itself is the way I look at all wars. It's the way I look at the draft. If you have to draft people to fight, the people do not think the war is worth fighting. Period of discussion, Stewart. Is correct that he does bring up a good point. Fifty three percent of people were drafted in World War two. True, But now I don't have statistic. I don't have statistic for this. But at least everything I've heard from people who were alive back then was that it was almost unheard of for a person to try to get out of the draft. There were sons famously that got into politics later in life. I don't acknowledge that that politicians are human beings to begin with, So let's use another example. No, I just there were people that did dodge the draft in World War Two. It was a much smaller minority than it was in Vietnam. So there's always some There's. Always some, Yeah, there always will be. There always be privileged people that believe that they are anointed and they are far too important to go and shed blood for the very thing they supported five minutes ago. Mm hmm. But that's like the. One thing that I've seen come out of politics. That's the one thing I've seen come out of the meme wour in the last decade that I really have. It really has resonated with me. I firmly believe that rather than put the power to declare war in the hands of Congress and the executive branch, what we probably ought to do is put it in the hands of the people directly. But here's the trick. You vote for war, you get to go fight for it. But the populace not generally so easily swayed by stupid emotional arguments. I mean, look at how much worse, how much worse would you want, ben if it had been a declared war. But again, if you vote for it, you get to go fight. W Well, I get that. Vote against it, you get to stay home. I I fully get that. Well, I don't know if that would you would have a lot of you would have a lot of military age men voting against it on principle. But but here's the I guess here's my point is your your point was a lot of people are swayed by emotional argument. There. What's a more emotional argument than if you vote for this you might go die in a foreign land and get your head shot off. To me, it is it is the only thing to balance the scale, which is, if you vote for it, you get to go put your boots on and go deal with it. And if you vote against it, then you get to stay home. And the the the argument ends at that moment. If the people say they're willing to go fight for it, they can go fight for it. And if people say, damn this, damn it. I don't know. I don't have a great argument for or against that. I have feelings about it, but that is not really relevant. Oh it's it's a stupid idea. Yeah, I don't. I don't. My gut reaction is it would not function well at all, and you would get you would just get you would just get manufactured consensus. You know. Well, I don't think the current system works particularly well. All. No, it clearly, but it's it's it's better than the king has decided we're invading Burgundy. I mean, you mean, okay, but how is that functionally different from what we have today, where the king decides we're invading Iraq. Yeah. Well, I would argue that Congress really should have really should have put the kabash on that, and the Bush should have been indicted on criminal charges for trying. No, he wasn't. But so the King said, let's invade Burgundy. Everybody else went along with. But I'm talking about the system as written. Not necessarily this is applied because you can apply a system incorrectly no matter what you're doing. But if you use anything wrong enough, it lets out smoke. Yeah. Most most things become a smoke machine if you use them wrong enough. Yeah. Well that's that's kind of like our government all over the place. Because look, and I understand I'm being a little bit tongue in cheek. I am giving you a hard time, if you understand, it's totally in good fun because, like I, I agree with you about the way the system is supposed to work. But at forty three years old and with a level of sarcasm, and coffee that I have my bloodstream on the average night. I'm also enough of a snarky bastard to say, regardless how it's supposed to work, it's not working right, yep. And it's largely not working right because we the people are not holding Congress and the President to account when they do things. Recently, there was a poll that came out that said that something like seventy percent of Independence wanted there to be a neither of these options in all vote yes. Basically, thesetions suck redo exactly all of your election. Even if there was only one option, like you could select no and they'd have to go back to the primary system. Her I love it. I think no should be a possible option. I think so too. I don't. I don't think we'd have elected officials. I think that what we would get is a far more moderate government across the board. Will we get a far more moderate government or will we just get more jurymandering and foolishness and vote manufacturing and propaganda. Because my experience is that the machine does not like to be questioned or challenged. Sure, but I think is why this great idea will probably never happen. Probably I think that initially you would get a far more moderate across the board government because they would need to appeal to a greater plurality. Let's put it that way. No, I mean, that's a fair point, and hell, I'm crazy enough to give it a try at this point. I just I mean, I cannot think of a single presidential election where I have been I have been enthusiastic about any choice that I have voted in. How, Okay, put you on the spot. Who was the which presidential election was the first one you were eligible to vote? Down? Obama? Would I was about to say, was it Obama one or two. Thousand and eight? Okay, damn, nick, dude. I told you I was five and ninety five. I was born in ninety plus eighteen. It's two thousand and. Eight, the first election. I was born eighty two, so I was I was ultible to vote in two thousand. Reagan was a terrible president and he never should have been elected. He's responsible for where we are now in a great no fault divorce, a bunch of the gun control stuff. Reagan fucked us on a lot. Oh but here here comes Phil being the the devil's advocate. Is did did Reagan screw us any worse than any other president since him since? No? Okay, but he's we've got we've got saying we've got Clinton. Clinton was Clinton screwed everybody. Clinton screwed every Well, let's let's just get that some. Things that I really agree with. Yeah, he also Ridge and he also he also presided over Ruby, Ridge and Waco. So that's kind of like two black two black eyes. Oh yeah, absolutely. And that's and that's not including the white dress that he's more famous for. That and he brought him There's some people in this audience that don't know what I referred to, and you really should go and google that. And and you know what, in all fairness his story, he's correct. There was no way to know that back then. I mean, look, Stewart and I have had this talk, and like I don't take him or anybody to task who was a voting age at that time. It was before my time, because like you know, Stuart has been very sweet. Got to get Stewart on the show sometimes just. To talk, just to talk. You and I could sit here and have a drink for an hour and a half and just let him talk, and it'd be an awesome show. But like the flat fact of the matter is that's. More conservative than Trump is now. In a lot of ways. And that's in almost every way. Yeah, But like Stuart is very front about the fact that, like when the hugesanmic got passed, literally no one knew what it was or what it did until FFL started slamming it started turning forms around. Like that's that's the level of information we have at our fingertips. That's a level of coordination we in the gun community have now that did not exist in the mid and late eighties. So like on that front, we're we're doing it. We're we have a lot more information, We're stopping a lot more bull crab before it turns into a proper And it's hard to hold that generation responsible for that because like you couldn't disseminate information back then as fast as you can now. No, but they could have started the legal challenges immediately. Now that is very that is vague, rapidly litigious as the as the Second Amendment community is right now. But ten years ago, I was the pursuer on Groad, a nut job of gun community, many gun community corner. I'm not saying they would have been or so what I'm saying. Is been forty years ago. Anyone who was saying the kinds of things I said ten years ago would have been laughed out of the room. So I agree with you that like lawsuits would have been really great. I don't think they were. I don't think they were possible back then. They might sentiment against them, They might not have been. It might not have been possible. But you know, okay, perfect example. Can you imagine a firearms policy coalition in nineteen eighty all their social social media posts start. With f you know true. I'm trying to think back to media I know of from the nineteen eighties, and. I mean as much cocaine as there was footing around. To be honest with you, man, it holds doesn't hold a candle the. Okay. I have a very limited perspective on the nineteen eighties, because there's an awesome time to be alive. I'm sure it was. All I have to draw on from from that is what has survived as popular media and cult media. Yeah, which is an extraordinarily narrow and not at all adequate to answer that question. If I think it's possible now from what I've seen like Donnie Darko and that stuff. Yeah, I think that absolutely could have existed. You know, would it have captured the Second Amendment cultural zeitgeist of the time. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think it would. I think the reason they filed to a completely different crowd than what was most of the Second Amendment community at that point. Yeah, I mean, the NRA of Charlton Heston was not going to go toe to toe with the federal government, much less with Ronald Reagan over the issue of machine guns. It's just they should think. They should have. I wish they had, but I just don't think it was politically socially feasible at the time. I don't think the temperature in the room was going to allow stuffing like that. I mean, my dad and I had this argument years ago about like permitless carry, and he eventually came around in my way of thinking. And he was one of several groups of gun rights organizations that were at the state capitol browbeating our own politicians into supporting Constitutional Carrier before he got passing Louisiana. But I can remember a time when that man told me, unronically we don't want the wrong people to have guns. And I was like, have you seen the six o'clock news, The wrong people already have guns. Yeah. That was never a valid argument to me either, because I, as a teenager, was able to build a shotgun. But I'm not saying it was a valid argument. What I'm saying is it was the common argument. The common argument, the common argument that you see online right now, which is, you know, look at the common arguments that we see push forward that are absolutely insane and completely irrational. That's a completely irrational argument. It's been a completely irrational argument since the slave laws. Well, we can't have the freed slaves getting guns because what if they're mad about us having kept them as slaves. It was a bad argument, thinking it's a bad argument now. But I guess what I'm saying is is like it took time for the main stream gun community to come to turn that corner to the idea that you know, machine guns guns are not just for gangsters, and silencers aren't just for assassins, you know, like the common tropes and bull crab that we've heard time and time again, even in our time. It took time for the mainstream to realize that's nonsense. And now that they have, we're seeing all this pressure going the other direction, pushing towards full auto legalization, pushing the technology towards forced reset triggers, pushing hard to make suppressors legal if not permitless. One day, Like, we're seeing all this pressure go in the other direction. But it has. It has that that current has changed directions even in our lifetime. It has, and it's unfortunately because we've seen gains for the Second Amendment community. It has created. It has created eddies like in California, Washington, Illinois, New York. Yeah, where where they have just enough power or to do whatever they want unchallenged. They're like, no, those people are changing things and they're scary. So we're gonna take away everything here because we're seeing some success nationwide. Yeah, and you know, back to what we were saying about the having no faith in the Supreme Court to ever pull their panties out of their button do the right thing. I don't see the second I don't see the Supreme Court, nor I see the Executive branch ever truly putting their foot down on these states. Next and saying either you embrace the Second Amendment and let your people have freedom, or we disassemble your states. I don't think there's appetite for that in this country. No, there isn't. And I think the biggest reason why is because the way it is now, with the states as dichotomized as they are, serves the two party system and keeps the two parties in power. So we're right back to talking about how much longer is until Balkanization. Oh, it's already happening. We already have states ignoring federal law. We have had states ignoring federal law for quite some time now, when it comes to the drug enforcement laws we've had, and immigration and immigration and a number of other things. There's a quite a few federal laws that are currently being ignored by. And that's before we even consider the number of like not even like state sanctioned, but just states where there is massive wholesale ignoring a federal or state farms laws. Yep, Like the body of the people has said that's cute, we're not doing that. We saw it with bumps, with bumpstock ban, We've seen it with other various farms farms legislation. We've seen it with state level assault weapons bans where whether it's the people or whether it's the state government or whether it's a local government, and the sheriff says. I'm unfortunate. Nonsense. We do continue to see this situation over and over and over where a body of people says, I'm not doing that, that's stupid. We do, you know, Unfortunately, I think that the cultural differences in the US, and it's not so much regional cultural differences, it is urban versus rural cultural differences are going to continue to become more and more stark, just like they have for the last fifty years. And I think that's a large driver of the problem because you know, the more people you get in these cities, once you have a voting block of one or two cities that can take control of the legislative power of the entire state, that state kind of runs off the rails. Look at California, Look at New York. I mean, hell, look at New York City right now. Is there an analog that is GOP slash Republican slash right wing where there's like single party control of a large metro area or a state. There are anybody control of states, but not because of a single large metro area. Pretty much every large metro area votes overwhelmingly left. Okay, but I would allow that, like if there's any if there's any state that is just like, it's going to be Republican no matter what, no matter what anybody says, forever, because it's basically the factor single party state. Probably Montana can't say Texas anymore. Texas is a border flipping. Texas is very purple. I will say that there some some years back, I did know a state center from Montana. He was actually a Libertarian, but he ran as a Republican, and he told me flat out, he said, I could pretty much stand, you know, stand on the front steps of the state capital and denounce property taxes and get re elected twice, even though I'm only eligible to run one more time. Interesting, like his point of view was, he said, my constituency is overwhelming liberally overwhelming the libertarian. He said, they sent me here to vote no to anything the state wants to do, to encroach on the road. That is what you should be sending your your representatives to do, is to not let the state do things. Yeah, there are very few things that that government should be doing. Protecting their protecting your civil liberties, protecting your property, and protecting your life from people that would violate one of the above. That's really the only the only purposes. Even I don't even know if I agree with that really, Yeah, because like I I. Think police to investigate violent crime. Pulled up. When we say the state, we're talking about the government at any level, sure, just just a levels of expectation. Yeah, I think that the state has an obligation to defend the borders of our nation. That would be protecting your rights and property. Okay in a macrocosm. The reason I say things like protect my rights like as the individual is I kind of lean back on the idea that like, maybe we as individuals are supposed to protect ourselves on our own property. Oh, we definitely are. Like perfect example I always use is I tell people all day long, Like back when defund the police was a big thing, I had this debate with lots of friends of mine who were like, yeah, man, defund the police, and I was like, yeah, go ahead and defund the police. Doesn't bother me any And they'd all get this cock eye look on the face, like, but you're a Republican, and I'm like, actually, a funny story. I'm not a Republican, but second of all, I'm. Like, I'm the guy who. And that was literally what I told a lot of them. The police that you want to defund, don't defend my house. I do that. The police are the guys who are going to show up in polyester uniforms and make me explain to them why I smoke check this guy in the front lawne twenty minutes after it happened. I would just assume they are job. Yeah, realistically, I'd prefer that. They just not even show up and then I just, you know, as three s's, shoot them, shove them, and shut up. And that's how you deal with home intruders where I come from. Like, the idea that the police protect me is hilarious because they don't. They come and take reports after the problem's already solved or not solved. So to my way of thinking about it, it's like, Okay, the police that you want to defind are not protecting me, and they're not really protecting my property because that's my job. What they're really here to do is to protect all the rest of you from people who are much more comfortable using violence than you are. Apparently. Yeah, well, I mean that's yeah, doctor, scary guy. I am. My response times forty forty something minutes. I am, I am about a quarter mile from the nearest firehouse that direction. I am about a half a mile from the nearest police station that direction. And I am there's a sheriff's substation a quarter mile of that direction. And actually I live outside city limits. There's just a lot of law enforcement around here. Oh, it's a major metro area. Yeah, well, I mean it bearing in mind, like and I tell everybody I live in. I live in like you know, on the North Shore Lake Paunch train. If you want to get any closer than that, you can google it. It's not hard to find me. But like, in this area, we're outside the city of New Orleans, but it's a big metro area and there's a lot of law enforcement around. But still, even even with a response time that fast, if you got to if you got to stay on the phone for five if you got to stay on nine one for five minutes waiting for help, you're doing this wrong. Yep. I mean that. I'm just dying to see what it looks. And I'm I'm just dying to see what twelve gates looks like under you know, with a PBS. Fourteen on dangerous, That's what it looks like. Well, is there anything else to chuck in here before we walk this one out the door? Man? I mean, I think so we started off with a fun, loving, lighthearted, fun conversation about guns, and then we ended it with doom and gloom. We did see talking about guns. I feel like every time we set out to talk about guns, though, we wind up diverting ourselves. Well, you know, we're easily distracted, I mean very easily, yes, squirrel. Okay, well we'll go ahead and kick this one out the door. It's nine o'clock at night. He's got to work tomorrow. I don't. I'm going to the gun range with Pops. So I'm going to have some doughnuts in the morning. I'm excited. I'm excited for you. I don't know what we're going to talk about next week. We'll figure it out. Maybe ask the patrons to chuck something to us. We should make the patrons come up with the thing. Jeff jag oh new meme idea, the you get paid me but with response times. I'm not familiar with that one, and Stewart wants me to bore the audience tears again with more comms talk. It is a new year. Well, but although I also hit the refresh on Phil's financial talk. We have been we have been building out vicarians, and. We have I have I need to work on, and. I do actually have a com setup integrated into that vest. I need to sneak into my wife's craft room to take up some time on her sewing machine. You don't just have your own. I don't because why have two sewing machines? We don't use that very often. I just don't know if herzeil sew through a triple layer of nylon webbing. I don't think it will. But my grandma has an industrial strength quilting device that will. I was about to I was about to say, given the amount of like old machinery you have line around, I'm shocked you don't have like a friggin sewing machine that'll shove a needle through a piece of plywood from like the nineteen twenties. One of my grandparents has fifteen treadle powered sewing machines that are cast iron. And you don't have one in your baby. I'm certain one will make its way here eventually. I am not hastening that. That's fair. Yeah, I don't know. We'll chuck it to the patrons and see if Stewart's really serious about comms or if he's just trying to needle me because he knows. I'll talk about comms autistically for an hour and everybody else will fall asleep. I mean, other patrons can now vote Stewart. This is a democracy ish, it's more of a dictatorship with yella. Oh, I'm not a good person to be a dictator anyway. A matter of fact, is going to go out the door. Thanks for hanging out with us. It's been an hour and a half of mayhem and lots of patrons have stuck around with us, which is good for the chat, and I appreciate y'all because it makes it more entertaining for us. Does But we'll talk to y'all another week. Bye guys. Una