Matter of Facts: Mad Max or Terminator?

Welcome back to the Matter of Facts podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping, guns, politics every week on iTunes, Ditcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at mwfpodcast dot com, on Facebook or Instagram. You can support us be a Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host, Phil Raveley Andrew Nick on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter of Facts Podcast. Between technical difficulties and the loose nut behind the microphone, we are already off to a blazing start this evening. It'll be fine, dude, it could be worse. I'm telling you that lately we got you here before the show officially started. That's important. Yeah. Well, Nick was giving me my my not so gentle five minute reminder as I was furiously rebooting a computer and plugging and unplugging stuff because. I'm trying to be a helpful co host and I appreciate that, I really do. But you know, this was the day that my microphone spontaneously decided it didn't really like my desktop and they just decided to not play together. Well, pixies, Yeah, I mean, there are definitely some grim ones chewing on the cables in this old girl. But you know, like I told Nick, I'm like, I unplugged everything. I plugged everything back in the standard IT advice, and it fixed itself. And I'm a little concerned because I don't think I did anything to make it fix itself. It just decided, okay, okay, fine, we'll playne So. From an IT perspective, not that I'm an IT person, but I am the IT person at work same a lot of times. What that is is like Windows has forgotten. Something is plugged into the port, and when you disconnect it and reconnect it, it sees the current change and goes, let's look at what's on that port. But oddly enough, I unplugged and plugged it back into the same port and it did not work. So I unplugged it, plugged into another USB port and then it worked, and then I plug it back into the original USB port because I thought maybe I had a dead USB port and it's still and that's okay. I've got no answers for that. You know what, my boss has a thing for this. He calls it PFM purefing magic. That's pretty much all of it in general, especially when printers are involved, and microphones are not nearly as bad as printers. H No, but bear in mind that I do have an Excel or hardware recorder between my microphone and my computer. So there's like. A little bitty computer right here on the desk in between this thing and that thing. And tonight was the night that that and that decided we don't like each other, and we're not talking to each other no matter what you do. That's all right, These things happen. Yes, yes, yes, okay, admin work mini topic, maybe an argument, and then we'll get to the main topic. Mad Max or Terminator and Raggle is already grousing us in the goddamn comments. Good. We couldn't squeeze in the matrix. I mean if I if I squeeze in every movie that has predicted the future into the title, no one will read. It'll be too damn long, and I'm sure or it'll get me even more copyright strikes, and we're gonna get already. Wait are we talking? Hold? First off, Ragel, are we talking matrix the movie or Matrix the book? There's a book you need to fix yourself. Read the book? How can I have the original? How can I fix myself if I wasn't aware a thing existed in the first place. You now know that there is a problem and you have to correct it, So all right, another inevitable tangent. The reason why the Matrix movie is terrible and needs to be lit on fire has nothing to do with its production quality or storytelling. Is all down to one single fact and filled do you know what that is? It's not as good as the book. No, they decided the audience wouldn't be able to understand using the human brains for processing power, and instead they decide the audience will understand them using it as batteries instead are wildly inefficient energy generator. Didn't you and I have a conversation just this morning about how there's a lot of like mid seventies people running around. Look, there absolutely are, but there's also a bunch of people of reasonable intelligence, and the stupid people didn't get the point of them being used as batteries anyway. They didn't understand it, So why not just have them used for processing power like it wasn't the book, which actually makes a lot of sense because it turns out biological hardware is really good at processing vast quantities of data. I mean, it's just not always accurate. I of course, neither is mechanical AI. I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm just saying that you might be giving humanity more credit than it's. Due non humanity biological computing. No, No, I'm talking about the people who were who didn't, who were going to understand people uses batteries instead, people use as computers. All of the people that I have brought that up to go, oh yeah, no, that makes way more sense. I'm out. I'm out. But most of my friends are also like it. Professionals, ce tradesman, this literal brain surgeon. This is like when Phil says, damn, I shoot like trash, and in reality I outshoot like seventy five eighty percent of people on the range. And the real problem is I know way too many people that just happen to shoot way, way, way above average. Yeah, and I am actively the dumbest person in my friend group, which is I think where we all should strive to be, because my god, is it useful having smarter people around. It does come in handy. There's comments and then actually no admin work, then comments because if I skip the admin work you will make if you'd like to promote bad decisions by becoming a patron that leaks. 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I doubt that you didn't meet her in life after life, then you've got a while to work this off. You didn't meet her in in life? Do you that lady did not play about cooking or baking? Oh? If she's aying like my great grandma, that is accurate. Yeah, all right. Comments. My wife is asking, could it be because I worked from home yesterday? Is at the reason I'm off today? I don't think so. I think it's just been a very. Worky week at work. Yeah, and I agree with ragele Yes, we work from home. The storms basically non existent. I will say up here on the north shore. We didn't or leave. Okay, so where I live there was very minimal rain, like a sprinkling, and the wind picked up, but it wasn't anything severe. I understand that like twenty minutes east of us, the rain was much more consistent. And I was kind of surprised when I drove home from work today because all up but now lakeshore of Boulevard in New Orleans there were like tree like not huge tree lombes, but like you know, chunks of palm tree and everything scattered all over the road. So apparently the wind was a lot worse than the air side of the lake, which I'm not upsets that we worked from home at all, because my single biggest concern, and this is the same thing I talked about in the group of Scott, was you know, it's not it's it's it was just a tropical storm, big woop. But if the wind gets hits forty five miles an hour, they shut down one of the two bridges I used to get home, and that means one hundred percent of that traffic goes the opposite direction. Now out your commute time tripled. Not quite triple, but it does go up precipitously. So it really was a situation where, like I think my workplace did the right thing of an abundance of caution, and quite frankly, it also makes for a really good dry run so that we work out any IT problems, any access problems, any kind of little issues. Now when we might have to work from home for like several days because they're a real storm. True. True, that's a good point. They might as well use a test day like this, because really you don't lose much productivity, not for one day. No, Yes, Nick said, check yourself before you wreck yourself. Yes, you need to read the books. It's better for technical reasons. Your wife says she needs that coffee. I'm not sure she talking about smorts or PECOMPI, but one. And or both. We need to make a coffee order this weekend, so she'll handle that for sure, or she'll make me handle that. Yeah, and Rag was saying, if it's anything left pecon probably in from community. I haven't tried that one. Actually, I'll be the first to admit I usually don't. I usually don't go for flavored coffees. It's just not my usual vibe. But I'm willing to try them, and we have gotten enough, We've gotten enough requests over the years that the three of us got together and figured like this was a way, this was a place to push the product line, and if you get a lot of response from it, we do have quite a selection of other roads we could put into the store. Nice I mean me being the me guy, the business guy. I always go back to the idea that like, hey, if we're gonna add stuff to the store, let's take away a couple of ROAs that aren't really doing well right, kind of keep things from getting keep the skews from getting too numerous. Oh yeah, because that just adds additional complexity and costs the more skews you have to make, and if you don't have the sales to dry. And the bigger problem is like me being the business guy that tends to crunch the numbers and do the price and bottle and everything, like having thirty skews when only twenty of them sell just makes me work fifty percent harder for no payoff. Yeah yeah, and rim. Fire Radio saying good evening, and doctor Scary Guy is also in appreciate all y'all coming and hanging out now let's have an argument before we have a topic. Revolvers are there still relevant? Now this comes This does two things we got up front load this with. First of all, this is because I have seen I continue to see arguments online mostly I want to say tac to tards very gently. From younger gun. Affiliated people on social media. Younger being like I'm forty three, I'm middle aged. I keep seeing this argument come out from guys in their twenties. And I also bring this up knowing that Nick really doesn't like revolvers. I want to is the problem because I want nothing more than to be able to cause play Indiana Jones, but just walking around in real life, probably lose the whip, mostly because they get tangled in absolutely everything. I know guys who have done it as a costume for Halloween at parties and just it knocks over everything. I love how revolvers look. I love the idea of revolvers. I love the mechanical blockwork mechanism in a revolver. I fucking hate how they shoot. I do. I just hate them. Look, do revolvers have a place. I guess if you, I don't think there's a job revolvers do that modern semi automatics can't do just as well. I mean, that's a theory. No, that's that's that's what I'm gonna throw out there. I don't think there's a job a revolver will do barring the ultra high caliber super magnums, like what is it the. Four four, four, sixty four six or eighty. But but let's be honest here, those calibers, for the most part, don't do the job that they're supposed to do very well. Well, they're an extraordinarily shitty rifle, is really what you're getting at with those. You're looking to get into rifle like muzzle energy in a more portable package. To be fair, which case carry a rifle for. Sixty and five hundred were basically built to convert money into noise? Yeah, or eighty ruger was a well they're taking argument for use case was bear defense. And let's be clear, a twelve gage with slugs is for bear to a five hundred Smith and. Wesson is not forty four magnum. Forty four magnum you can get forty four magnum performance out of calibers in a semi automatic platform. Are they common? No? Can you get them yes. Okay, So here's here's kind of here's my first of all. Yes, relevant in my opinion, but here here's where I'm coming from with this. All the arguments I hear against revolvers is that their capacity limited the slaughter re load. What else does that sound familiar to. Shotguns? And yet with shotguns we tolerate that the power advantage overrides the capacity limitation than being slow to reload, more time spent admin handling mm hmm, But we don't accept that with revolvers. When if we're gonna make the best apples to apples comparison, A lot of that still holds true. Like I ran the numbers right before the show, just to satisfy moment curiosity. But like every nine mili load I have access to, and every three seven magnum load I have access to nine mils three hundred to four hundred ft pounds of energy and three sevens five hundred to six hundred and twenty five Okay. Ten million, forty four magnum, right, and you can get forty four magnum semi automatics, But my point you can get thirty car being semi automatic. But my point is you can get a power differential if we're talking about a more apt. Oh you can, but it's not. It's not the same, alright, But I don't. Here's the deal. I don't accept ten mil as a fair comparison three seven magnum because that's like comparing forty five ACP to fifty action Express. You're talking about a cartridge that was developed to compete toe to toe with forty four magnum. So if we're gonna make that comparison, it's a fair more fair comparison to compare ten mil auto toy fair magnum, not compared to three seven magnum, which is in effect just a link thin dow grown up thirty eight special. But there's also there's also a much more significant power differential between say your common household rifle that people do claim they are going to use for home defense five five, six thirty nine, three hundred blackout and a twelve gauge. Also, twelve gauge does have some benefits that you don't get from a revolver when you're looking at revolver to semi automaticschance, and that's evading certain states unconstitutional bands my in order to get the same muzzle energy that I can deliver out of a fully loaded semi automatic. Twelve gauge revolvers are not illegal in Illinois, no, Jim, they are not. My point, Jim, is that I cannot have an AR with a thirty round bag at my bedside. I can, however, have a five plus one loaded with double lot nine pellet, which is essentially nine pellets time six thirty six rounds. I certain thirty six projectiles in a six round firearm semi automatic has similar muscle energy per pellet to a nine millimeter So no, I'm not getting as much a muscle energy as each individual five to five six round, but you are getting more muscle energy on target per shot, significantly more than the difference between a nine millimeter handgun and a three fifty seven or forty four magnum. Now, I'm not ever gonna tell people don't buy revolvers. I wish I could love revolvers. I would love to have a collection of old World War two, World War One, and World War two era revolvers going all the way back to I would almost go to a peacemaker. There are a pair of peacemakers that I would like to have that I know where they are, and I cannot possibly afford to make an appropriate offer on them because they're originals in their original box. But I don't think for the average modern day firearms person that's entering into the market, I do not know that there are that many situations that just fire revolver over a semi automatic. Cando now, especially when it comes to availability, price, and usability. I don't disagree with you on anything except revolvers still do things the semi autos don't do near as well. Again, going back, I'm interested we can argue about power. I still think that an apples to apples comparison means you get with a similar frame, similar size, similar everything revolver, you can get more power on targeted than a semi auto of comparable cartridge. Okay, you can also dramatically download most revolvers, which is something that's much more difficult to do with a semi auto. With a nine mil a nine mil semi auto, can you put a twenty two conversai? There is a minimum load to cycle the firearm. There's a minimum load cycle the firearm. It's much more difficult to down. You cannot drop. Okay, wait a second, you can stick a three eight ACP into a nine mel chamber. I don't advise you try it. I was gonna say, can have it will fire. But my point is with with that same three per seven magnum I have, I can download really really light, nice and easy thirty eight specials and turn it into a training fire and for a new shooter immediately with a dramatic decrease and recall dramatic decrease in muzzle report and make that gun a lot less intimidating for a new shooter. I can also do things with it like put rat shot and snake shot in it that yes, they do make nine mil snake shot they do, but it cycle reliably and it is And to drop one into a nine mil you're talking about dropping the magazine, emptying the chamber, dropping one in the chamber. It's a bit of a procedure versus with a versus with a revolver, where it's open up the cylinder, hit your rejector star, gently, pull one around out, drop one in and then how can it load it? Like I said, there are some situations where yes, a revolver can do a thing. I said, there's not many. And I think I don't disagree with you. I think it comes down to perspective. If you compare to us, It's like where we started this conversation with comparing three seven magnum to nine mil, and you immediately said ten mill. Well, if we compare a three seven magnum to a glock nineteen and say well, this is obviously a better carry gun than this is, I'm like, well, yeah, but this still does things this doesn't, which is the biggest reason why shotguns get a pass for a lot of the same criticisms that with a shotgun, you have a lot of availability load, you can tailor the fire and to do what you want with it based on what you're putting into it. You can load very very hot and very very soft shooting case shells into it. You can go for that super powerful load, you can download to bird shot. You can do all these different things with it. And that is kind of my argument about revolvers. You do have an element of flexibility to them that semi autos don't mimic very well, even as I admit semi autos do a ton of things a hell of a lot better than revolvers, which is why literally no serious police or military force in the world i'm aware of still use the revolvers. Yeah, there there are some, and they're usually Southeast Asian or I think I have seen them in some of the Brazilian police forces. But I think those probably overs old surplus revolvers that are basically they are they are, Yeah, they are and and and look that's not to say, look I might personally not like revolvers as much as I would love to love revolvers, just for the the pure mechanical nature of them. When revolvers do malfunction. They go down hard. They are not really fucking hard. You're not fixing that with a tap rack drill. You're just not. And any do semi autos malfunction more often than revolvers, They absolutely do. The difference is is you can have a half second to one second drill that you've memorized that most of the time gets them back into the game. With a revolver, a lot of times it involves hammers, screwdrivers, and gun smelling tools. And anybody that says revolvers are more reliable or don't require as much maintenance or upkeeper cleaning is full of it. I have two revolvers every time I take those things out of the range. They get these snock cleaned out of them. My semi autos, I literally like field strip it, wipe everything out, put a couple of sports oil into it, put it back together, and I clean it. Maybe every ten range strips and it works fine. Well. The difference is a cam activated clockwork mechanism with as compared to plunger spring driven mechanisms, which are most semi automatic. Yeah, you have. More places where having an amount of debris it would be catastrophic in a revolver than you do in a semi off. Yeah, can't argue any of that. I I I'm not. And that's I will never tell people to not buy revolvers. If you like them, he'll go for it. They're cool, they look cool, they're a cool guy thing. Get yourself, get yourself a custom tooled leather holster or a band layer. Go wild. What I always tell people is is like if you're I never recommend a revolver for a first firearm ever, and that that runs so counter to so much common advice you get from freaking old fuds and boomers. I have in one very specific circumstance and finish your point and I'll tell you why. The reason why I don't recommend it as a default position, though, is because nine millimeters double stacks hold more ammunition. They're easier to train, easier to learn, easier to remediate problems, much much wider user base. Any instructor worth their salt can teach you how to shoot a clock nineteen. Any instructor work there's salt could look at a CZP ten or a Smith and Wesson, or a shield or a friggin a sig. They can look at any of these striker fired double you know, so these striker fired guns and tell you how it runs. Because they're not all that dissimilar to each other. They're remarkably similar. But there is a certain amount of teeth and trouble with learning how to shoot revolvers. You have put in a lot of time getting really good with double ax trigger pulls. You have to put in a lot of time getting really consistent with your reloads. It's not that it can't be done, obviously, Jerry Mitchell, I can shoot a revolver like a machine gun, but it takes reps and time that the average new shooter is not willing to put in to become what I would consider to be combat effective with a revolver, which is why I default to the platform that has proven to supplant the revolver for most uses. Yeah, there is a lot to be said for that, but I mean, what. Was the one scenario in which you recommend a revolver. Over semi auto for a new Star. The only time I've recommended a revolver over a semi auto for a new shooter was a was a lady that I was a friend of that had a medical issue with her left hand. That is, she was unable to manipulate the slide with her left hand. Now this was prior to the easy slides that came out. This was prior to a couple of the additional they replaced the backplate on the glocks so that you could you could just flip her and and rack the slide. She was unable to do that. She had the dexterity in her hands to reload a revolver, she did not have the strength to grip and pull the slide. And that is a unique situation in which I would happily say that maybe a revolver makes more sense for you. It did for her because I had her shoot my I think at the time I had a three fit Smith and Wasson six eighty six and three fifty seven. It's I had her shoot that. It was a very nice revolver. I thought, if anything, if I was going to love a revolver, it would be that one. And I just I just couldn't. I just couldn't. I don't know why, but I had her shoot that with thirty eight's and I had her try loading it with speedloaders with thirty eights that she could do. She could not cycle my nine mils, she could not cycle my twenty two. And you know how soft the twenty two slide is, she just couldn't get the grip strength on it. And because she had injured her hand. So there are some occasions, yes, but for most, for most new shooters, most of the time semi automatic start with the answer nope, that's fair. I just had to start argument because sometimes it's going to argue with people about stuff on the internet. Now, is Hollywood predicting our future? Because we talked about this last episode when we were griping about how people were talking AI and how one of us is going to want to be leading the resistance and the other one is going to wind up like running fuel trucks through the frigging desert of Australia while being fended off by a bunch of BDSM wearing nutcases, Like this is going to like all of Hollywood seems intent on telling us that eventually the world is going to fall apart and our lives are gonna suck. And it always seems to start with talking to the machines, or religious zelotry. And even more so religious zelotry around talking to machines hm hmm, and the religions that develop around machines. Yeah. So look, I think one of the reasons why we see this trope come up a lot is because it is very easy to tell a compelling narrative in an apocalypse. I mean, the conflict is right there. You don't have to even think to get conflict. Three monkeys with a typewriter can write an apocalypse novel. It's really not that difficult. I mean, any D and D DM has written in a post cup setting. We all have. Every single one of us that's ever tried running a D and D game for our friends has thought, oh, well, don't I write it in a pocket up setting? And then you realize Dark Sun existing, Like, why the fuck did I do all this work? Dark sulmost right there the entire time, you know, for the vibes pretty much. Yeah, all right, look go for it. So I count eight of these movies. Mm hmm, in no particular order. Kay, water World, I'm saying it's right out. That's some bullshit. The world would already be flooded, and it would have been flooded for the last twenty five years. Hollywood fucked that one up. Fun movie, fun movie with a lot of plot holes. It does make for a really really good anti smoking ad though. It does it. Though, it does it because you gotta admit, the bad guy looks pretty cool. Yeah, until he blows up the tanker he's in. Yeah, I mean for sure, I mean he wasn't bright. But that jacket. You're telling me you wouldn't roll that leather jacket. Film, No, I would, I would. But that also seems to be a thing with leather jackets in these movies. Western jackets are just amazing. What They're great, They're all time favorite. All right, But so Terminator now, because this started argument last time. This is the T eight hundred, the titanium exit, the titanium endoskeleton with the human flesh on the top, the idea that the machines have taken over and they are trying to destroy humanity. Hey, the final battle is only three years out August twenty I believe it is August twenty ninth. Twenty twenty nine is the final battle where John Connor takes down Skynut. So when is Judgment Day again? Judgment? Oh, so that was like nineteen ninety seven in the original timeline, and then it got pushed back to two thousand and three because it because the new Terminator movie came out in two thousand. Okay, they couldn't set it three years in the past, so. The next one will push it out like another ten or fifteen years, I guess. So essentially, the way the Terminator franchise has justified it, and I think this is actually a really good way to do it, is every time the movie happens, they push off the sky that takeover because the heroes have done something constructive. It does leverage the idea of time travel, which is like every time you screw anything in the past, it like spiders, change changes the future. So it is kind of like continual, continually self fertilizing ground for new movies sequels, because literally all these things really could happen in the same universe, just in different versions of the same universe. Yeah, I want to say it was nineteen ninety seven that sky that first theoretically took over. Yeah, but here's the question, since you started off with the water rolls same as complete total bull crap. Yes, plausible, maybe not the timeline, but is it plausible that we will Okay, let let let's separate our comp. Is it plausible that the ice caps would entirely melt flood one hundred percent of the land and we would entirely have to live on floating atolls of old boat We. Already rode off water World. I was saying, Oh, it's terminator plausible. Bear in of mind that this all starts with an AI that gets loose and becomes self aware and then starts doing things it's not supposed to. I would say technically possible, being that we are already field testing weaponized AI drones, and AI drones have already killed people. So all we need depends on how much it's integrated. Is all we're waiting for is for the AI to decide that we are the problem. No, I think what we're waiting for or is somebody to make a catastrophic air gap error in our defense networks. Assuming they haven't already. Yes, assuming we haven't already. Look, phil you were in the military. I've had quite a few friends in the military. Some of them did it for the military. I can tell you, guys this much. The military it systems were built by the exact same efor mafia that is reorganizing two different stock rooms so they can both meet their inventory. Will neither one of them has the correct inventory? Yes? And I can also tell you that back in two thousand and three, I had to have a security clearance for things on aircraft that I don't think have been. Declassified to this day. Yep. So let's just assume that if there was a problem, you I won't know about it until things start flying around in the sky. That's that's that's kind of the thing. Look, I don't think that we are going to get the terminator walking around shooting everybody AI apocalypse. I think what is far more likely is we have right now, we have what looks like a bubble, and if it's not a bubble to quote one of my favorite YouTube channels, why Bubble Shaped. Yes. I think what we are going to see is we are going to see continual pushing of AI integration into systems and companies and networks and solutions where it is really not ready or capable for. We're going to see more massive involvement. We're going to see government stumping thousands of trillions of dollars into this stuff globally, and eventually that money's going to run out of Eventually people are going to go, why is this one company that's never showed a profit worth more than the GDP of Greece? Why is the most valuable company in the world Tesla? Like they their profits and earnings aren't anywhere near realistic. Look, I love what Tesla is doing. I love the innovation, but let's be realistic here there. Their stock valuation is wildly overvalued to an insane degree. And maybe SpaceX is part of that, maybe it's the Elon Musk effect, whatever, But look, this money train will end eventually, and I think AI is probably gonna be that next big bubble that really smashes the economy hard. Potentially. I think AI has its uses, but I think it's gonna be one of the main I think it's gonna be one of the main leading causes behind the next major financial global meltdown. I have a slightly different opinion. Go for it. I think the problem. I think what is likely to happen is going back to what you were saying about how AI is being shoved into all sorts of places it doesn't necessarily. Belong mm hmm. I think sooner or later, someone's going to get the bright idea to start connecting to this to things like telecom or power generation, power routing, and event are and eventually it is going to do something unforeseen. M and no one because the people that I see that are pushing this really don't have a good explanation for why it does some of the weird things it does. Oh you mean when it starts talking to itself in the language we can't decode again, Yeah, for the fourth fucking time. I just feel like, sooner or later, some switch is going to get flipped someplace. The Eastern Seaboard is going to go dark, and no one's going to have any freaking clue how to fix it or how to reverse it. Because all the knowledge because as AI is being pushed these things. The knowledge of how to do without AI is also being pushed out at the same rate. Look, you see that very much. Even in my industry, okay, CNC computing equipment has really pushed out the old school knowledge of how to do some of the things that I have learned how to do, and I have reverse engineered the knowledge of how to do for myself for my hobbies. There are very few people working in manufacturing anymore that understand how to say like this right here that could tell you how to make this without a CNC lathe or a three acts or live tooling lathe. They have no idea how you could make this on a manual machine. Not a clue. Now, if the CNC goes away in this example, the AI, if the AI tool suddenly can't be trusted, how are they gonna fix the power grid if all the people that used to run it have been booted out forcibly retired. Excellent question. So we might just be able to throw the matrix in right behind terminator because it's kind of a riff off the same thing. The machines have done things they're not supposed to do, and are making decisions that impact people dramatically and negatively. Yeah, much like I said in the beginning of the show. If you haven't read the book, read the book. The premise is better because they're using human brains for something that actually be useful for instead of batteries. Because humans are terrible power generation sources. And what are they using human brains for? Processing power is theoretically what they were for processing. Power and data Humans don't do a really good job with data processing. Well, let's let's be fair to those humans. They are still able to breathe and do all their normal bodily functions. They're able to move into complex three D viral and they are able to process extreme high fidelity video and audio, whether or not they do it well or accurately, they are able to do all of those things. Set in the bar fairly low there, Nick, Look, man, if you're looking for just raw compute data in data out, it beats current hardware, and our current computing hardware is approaching the point where Phil, have you heard about this. There's a new chip that has been developed that the trace layer lines are only like fifteen atoms thick. So at fifteen atoms thick, that's very very tiny. There's not much more room that we can compress that before we start reaching the limits of physics. And human brains are still more efficient. We're not entirely sure why, but they are, and we use so little of them. No, we actually use almost all of them all the time. That humans only use ten percent of their brain, it's we only use ten percent of our brain actively. The passive uses of our brain is massive. It's almost all of it. The active portion where we're actually thinking and decision making might only be ten percent, But the rest of it, the rest of it, we are using for things. You can't just go taking pieces out. I want to accept that challenge, but I can't think of a non gruesome way to move about. Are There are examples of people having chunks of their brain damage and the brain recovering, but there's usually significant changes to personality and function. I guess that's fair, all right. Warhammer forty K my favorite fever dream to bestow upon you. Whenever I see some new piece of weapons technology and I'm like, dude, we have boulders. Now. They've also started using cloned human neural tissue to play video games. Like Serve like a was it served like a servator. Yeah, so for those of you that don't know what a servitor is in the Warhammer forty k universe, Essentially, what they do is they wipe out the higher functions of your brain and they input a task instead into your brain, and you are repaired with mechanical components to keep yourself functional for as long as possible. Kind of like the book The Matrix. Huh, similar to the book The Matrix, except like servitors would be like your forklift has a human brain in it, and it knows where to stack this palate. It only knows where to stack this palette and only if that shelf is empty. That's its entire life. And some of them are still semi conscious inside it there, but they can't do anything about it. I also love to bring up things like the the adeptist mechanics mechanicum and how they have to like recite incantations over the machines because they don't understand how they work. They just know they they pray, they blow the smoke on and pray the right high versus they will start working again. And how that seems. Really really similar to current it work. Phil, Are you familiar with what occurred on a US naval ship and their radar array no so at one point. And now this may be an urban legend, I do not know it firsthanded. I don't know it's secondhand. I heard it from a from a Navy sailor that is the sister of my coworker. And so the story goes, a someone snuck a pet chicken onto the ship. Doesn't sound completely outlandish. Soldiers and sailors have been sneaking pets places they shouldn't for a long time. This chicken died, okay, and they put it in a box up by the radar array. Now, at some point in the future down the line, some tech goes up there and says, well, what the hell is this box doing here, takes the box away, and now the radar array no longer functions. Their solution was to dump the chicken carcass overboard and put the box back, and the radar array started working again. So I'm guessing it was a grounding issue that was being solved by some metal in the box. Either that or the spirit of the chicken continues to inhabit the box and haunting the radar. So the reason the mechanicist does these rituals in the Warhammer forty k law is essentially they were the They were the IT technicians for Mars, for the colony of March, and there was a war. After things occur and a bunch of the people that actually understood what made the technology work died off or they no longer had contact with them. But what they had were the manuals. Thou shalt not deviate from the manual, and a religion revolved around that. I mean, we see this now days in daily life. There is a piece of equipment in my chop today. None of us really understand how to run it. We can use it, we can't write new programs. We can make a copy of an existing program edit the lines we know we need to edit, but we don't truly understand the background processes that it's doing in order to create a new program or even diagnose some of the issues that it's having. We just know if you do X, Y or Z, you get the output that you want. Iterate that at infinitum over ten thousand years, and you've developed a religious cult that worships the manual. I think that is a similar thing to what we could see happening if we push AI too far. We have a tool that we know how to use, we don't know how it works, and we don't know how to fix it if it breaks. I also think like maybe the maybe the the shade of forty K that is plausible is just the idea that like, so you have to you know, it's also worth pointing out that like forty K is like many many money into the future, and but it is at a time past years, but is a time past the peak of civilization and the city and the peak of technology. Like there are weapons, and there are things in forty K that are specifically like in the source material, and per the story, their list is being like super rare, they don't always work right or. Chaotzech is the term. Yeah, super powerful stuff that nobody really knows how to fix. And if it misbehaves, you just hit it against a rock or say a prayer over because you don't know how the hell to fix it. Well, you you recite whatever liturgy walks you through the process of maintenancing that piece of technology, and maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. I mean, it's much like a cell phone. Now, there is no single person on the planet that can build you a smartphone. Not one, not one single person can build you a smartphone from scratch. The knowledge is too complex and too many faceted for a single person to be able to fix us, and too diversified. Yeah, well the only way. Look, man, I am pretty okay at being a machinist. I am. I am pretty okay at being a machinist. I am by far not a master machinist. I strive to be at some point a master machinist. I cannot make glass. I have no idea how you make glass, not a clue. I would be completely useless in a glass factory other than maybe brute force manual labor. And that those are two technologies that we've figured out in the seventeen seventeen and eighteen hundreds pretty well. And I can't do both. So the more complicated technology gets, and the more we push it onto non human sources, the more potential issues will have. And that's what causes the downfall of almost every civilization in forty k except for the elder who did BDSM too much, Yeah, and made a demon goddess God the Princess Prince of Pleasure. The eighties were wild. A lot of cocaine being done at GW. I do believe, yes, as long as that doesn't get a sued No. I think it's a pretty well known fact that a lot of the a lot of the early writers of GW, they were on some stuff. Man, they were on some stuff because there's been some retcons and boy where they needed Also think it through, Like I'll recommend the books to you after don't read it. It's bad. You're gonna recon themend a book to me, but you don't want me to read it. I'm telling you not to read it, but it's it's it's really bad. All right. So also thinking through like the whole idea of like space marines you're talking of, Like that is that is well worn. I mean there there have been within super soldiers and power armor. Well within recent modern times there have been attempts to emulate some of this. Oh yeah, and we will get there. I mean it's just iterative technology at this point. It's it's a feedback issue. That's really what the problem we're having is the human the human ability to take pressure feedback. So like this glass for instance, this is the really hard thing about developing prosthetics, right, I can feel pretty close how much pressure I'm putting on this glass at any given time. I can do that with either hand. I can do it without thinking about it. But the issue we're having with prosthetic is it's very hard to give that tactile feedback. And that's the same problem we're going to have with power armor. Even though exoskeletons are coming a long way, they are, I mean they're starting, they're starting to get into the construction fields now, or non powered exoskeletons, but exoskeletons that assist a person in task via usually hydro pneumatics or spring or spring powered, so they're just lessening the resistance for you, which is massive. I actually follow a guy on Instagram and he kills me and cannot remember his uh the name of his page, but basically he's been designing a one of one handmade but an exoskeleton. And the three D printed one. Yes, yes, I follow him on Reddit. I also don't know his name. I would love to talk to that guy. Yeah, and it it is unpowered, but a lot of what he's been pushing bring assisted. But a lot of what he's been pushing is the fact that like the whole idea of doing this is for heavier loads, is to distribute a load across the entire body. And like that is the basics of where I see power armor going. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, we already have mission configurable armor piercing munitions that are man portable. We do. We have we have a weapon currently in the US military development track that is essentially a bolter. It's just not a rocket grenade yet yet. Well, okay, to be fair, we also had rocket grenades a long time ago. Sixties seventies. The gyrojet. Yeah, they were absolutely atrocious. They were just absolutely just ahead of their time. No, no, no, it was bad from the ground up. It was bad from the ground up. I mean, if we do like electro ignited gyro jets, maybe maybe if we could get the burn rate to stabilize and they would act you go in a straight line as they're just like zipping off into no man's land for no reason, I guess. I mean, look, the only the only thing that we haven't really cracked yet, supposedly is the gene editing of humans after they're born. Supposedly. I think we'll get. There, Oh, I think we will. Look, they've already got these mRNA vaccines that supposedly rewrite DNA. There are. Crisper programs that you can crisper. I believe it's a bacteria or a virus that goes in and edits the DNA to give you different different evolutionary traits and creatures. I think we will get there, whether or not we find out that hell actually is a place that you can go visit and sale through to get places faster. I doubt it. I mean, I didn't put event Horizon in there, but that's basically the premise behind that. Well, I mean, that's the that's the warp. I know. Yeah, all right, moving on Dune. So we're talking about again past the peak of technology. Post human AI conflict or a post human cyborg conflict in. This case, but Larry and Ghat in this case, but we're talking about it. We're talking about we've reached, we've reached and passed the point of thinking machines. We had a war against them. We've now had to basically train human beings to do all the things the thinking machines used to do, being navigating between the stars and complex hecks, fast mathematics and things like that. With the mentats and the uh yeah, the navigators and the doctors, and we're dealing with a highly highly regimented, extremely hierarchy neo feudal society. Yeah. I think that's actually the most likely outcome for near term space exploration is some sort of neo feudalism or neo imperialism. Yeah. I mean it's kind of six and a half a dozen the other. But like, I think of Dune as being very probable on a long enough time frame, only because like to me, so as much as I do adore a good, good constitutional republic. The psychic tomfoolery aside, I would say, dude is very probable. Hmm. Look, we have no we have no current evidence to show that that precognitic or genetic memory can be accessed by humans. Yet we have no current evidence to suggest that. So I'm saying, aside from the psychic tomfoolery, yes, and turning a dude into a giant sandworm. Yeah. But the reason I was saying that, like a few reads through, I love a good constitutional republic. But I'll be the first to admit that I think in order I think that in order to take on something as significant as an intergalactic exploration. I think we I think we as a society wind up evolving back to a form of feudalism or perialism. Just that way you can wrangle the collective efforts of people that much more efficiently. And I will be the first to say feudalism works from an efficiency standpoint. It's highly tyrannical. It is very much higher archical. It is all the things I don't like in a governing force. It's all the thing it's it runs counter to all the things I like about a constitutional republic. But it is very good at telling people what to do, and you're going to need a lot of that if you're going to get us to go to another solar system. It probably is the likely outcome that or some kind of corporate, corporate, oligarchical, top down structured system. Ragle. I don't know if Fallout is referencing the Mentats or if it's just a joke on Mentos. I'm pretty sure it's a joke on the Mento's candy breath. Minton. Yeah, the Mentads fall so within the Dune universe the men did. Once we get past the point where we can't trust the thinking machines anymore, which is literally AI robots. We still have a need for doing complex mathematics very quickly. And so literally the mentats is this whole like class of people who are trained I think from birth or near birth. They're genetically selected, yes, and then trained from near birth. Yeah. So we're talking about a combination of hierarchical eugenics program to select people with certain traits and then we push those traits. To think about it like almost forced evolutions train man. Yeah. Well, but within the Dune universe, all of this really comes down to like forced evolution of humanity to the highest peak possible to supplant the plants. West Jess are essentially doing a millennia long breeding program to create the perfect psychic human. Yeah, and the the entire society is doing some version of that to train the best swordsmen, to train the best meant you know, to train the best thinkers, to train the best navigators. Like that is a thing. Yeah, And like the interesting thing I find about doing is not really the technological perspective, but it is the political perspective of it. Essentially, how a number of highly influential families essentially control their own fiefdom planets due to the fact that they're the only ones that have the wealth to manage shipping in between planets, and they all have so difficult and they all have a family collection of nuclear warheads. Yeah, family action of nuclear warheads Atomics and yeah, Atomics, and none of them use them because if you use them in conjunction with shields, it will essentially destroy the planet. Whoops. Yeah, all right, So. On a long enough timeline, politically plausible minus the cycle the psychic tomfoolery. I mean, is it technically possible. Maybe, But the psychic tomfoolery, I think is the lead. That and the sandworm transformation Shenanigans are probably the two least likely bits of that. I've watched the six hundred pound Man enough times to think that people can turn themselves into sand worms. Look, that's just Baron Lato. Okay, No Harconin, Baron Harconin. My God, why did I fuck that up? That's just Baron Harconen in his tar tub. Mad Max? Now, Emittaly, this is peak oil, and I don't this is I don't know that I believe host post peak oil. In the nineteen eighties, Australian out back. Now. While I do think that peak oil is in and of. Itself not a thing, what I do always reference back to Mad Max is specifically the first movie mm hmm is what you see. And this was pointed out to me a ways back, and like every time this, every time Mad Max comes up in conversation, I think back to this conversation I have with someone a long time ago. But like Mad Max, going into Road Warrior shows you the progression of a society breaking down. Like in Mad Max, we're seeing it actively right now. But in Mad Max, they they're still police, They're still trying to enforce the laws. They're not doing a great job because there's way more crime than they can deal with, and the police are kind of you know, demoralized and underfunded, under equipped, so on, so forth, And you see violence towards the police that goes largely with exception of Max Rocketanski largely unanswered great last name Rocket Tans. And then in Road Warriors you see there is no police. It's roving gangs, it's tribalistic, it's very tribalistic. You see a scrabble over resources. But between those two, I think what you're seeing is a society in free Fall. Oh you absolutely are, and we are seeing some of in the US right now. What you see in the first Mad Max movie. Look at the teen takeovers. M h flash mobs, flash mobs with cars where the teens are drag racing down the streets, shooting at each other, lighting cars on fire, destroying property, mobs that run in or won't, mobs that run a b into stores and just strip them bare mm hmm. Summer of love we are we are. Seeing Oh yeah, absolutely now. A lot of the a lot of the Summer of Love were imports coming into those communities and destroying them, specifically from wealthy liberal areas and a certain very specific demographic of college age white liberals. We're going there and burning black stores and burning black housing and destroying their communities, which we saw a number of times recorded by the community member saying why are you people here? Leave? Stop? We don't want you to do this. Oopsies, look man, I think that the most realistic. The two most realistic things about Mad Max are one the fact that all of the other Mad Max movies other than the first one are told from the perspective of a person in the future telling the story of Max. So the stories are over embellished and over dramatized, and the bad guys are the over the top, most evil thing ever perfect. It's exactly the kind of storytelling people do around a camp. It's folklore. It is, it is. It's the folklore story of Max. And the other one is the slow collapse of law and order, which I think we're starting to see in this country now. Whether or not it makes a turnaround, I don't know. We'll see. We saw similar amounts of breakdown of civil order in the seventies and eighties. But so is this a continuation of that for different reasons? I don't know. I think so. I mean, obviously I was live for most of the eighties, but I don't know that. Hang on a second, ask Grandpa, No, I have to pull out the list of topics and add this. While you start talking about the recent movies Civil War Plausibilities. Movie Civil War so Plausibility. I would say that the rise in political violence we are seeing on the left makes this more and more like this as the years go on. Ever, since twenty sixteen, we've seen a gradual but steady increase in attacks my leftists on bright wing politicians. We've seen a rise in assassination attempts and successful assassinations of not just not just like political figures, but political figures supporters, attacks on them in their homes, attacks on them in the street for wearing political messaging on their clothing. Multiple instances of dosing, and swatting. Oh yeah, thats all the lots of that. The swatting really has tapered off compared to when streaming first began. Do you remember in the early two thousands how common swatting got for like four or five years there. It was every it was every couple of weeks. A Internet personality was having the police show up. I know that, like Tim Tim Poole, who I honestly haven't watched in years, but I remember he quite famously like put the He literally like went to his office Lee, He went to his local police station and basically told them, like, listen, y'all have all the reports I'm getting swatted on a regular basis. So before y'all show up at my property again pointing guns in my staff's face, would you please call me an ask. They got private security to prevent the swattings. Yeah, first off, I mean in one week while they were covering Trump's I think first campaign, they were swatted every single day. Now do I think that we're likely to see a shooting more that escalates to tanks fighting it out on DC streets, I don't know. I really don't know. I think I think we're far more likely to see a breakdown of the federal government bulkanization than a massive US Civil war style conflict. I think we're. I think that in order for the premise of civil war to come true, you need a lot of things to line up just right, and I don't think it's near as plausible as like, I think it much more plausible that the federal government loses legitimacy with either a large metro area, which they arguably have already, oh they have, or potentially within twenty or potentially with an entire state, which has happened back and forth a few times. And what I think would escalate it into the next phase would be when that because like up to this point, and this has kind of been my argument, I bet against like what was it Indiana with their suppressor laws and a couple other states that have kind of Texas, I think they've tried to pick this fight with the with the atf over you can enforce the NFA. But then of course the minute they roll somebody up, then. All the politicians they'll let them. All the politicians are a wall. Now. I've said over and over and over I personally refer to this as political jerking off, because that's all it is. But I do think that if you if you had just the right set of circumstances, and you ended up with a shooting match between federal agents and state law enforcement over enforcing something like this at that moment, we would have a situation where like the federal government cannot back down or list or risk destroying all their legitimacy, and the state has already kind of like stuck their stuck their their their berries and tackle in the door and slammed it on it because now they've literally picked a fight with federal agents, so like neither side can really back down, and it just escalates. I see that as being auch more likely scenario, with the understanding that other states are highly unlikely to want to get involved in that. But now it becomes a pissing match between that state and the federal law enforcement, and I don't know how that resolves. I think what you what you're more likely to see is small pockets of extremely violent tribal. Violence, which we already get, which. We already get, I'm saying on a more common scale. So like what kind of like what you saw in South Africa in the last few years, or in the Sudan genocides or the Serbian conflicts where you see ethnic, religious, and community level violence quite commonly. Yeah, No, that that's that's much more likely than like two states take on the federal government, or even a third of the state's breakaway and take on the government. Now, what you're going to see is a lot of sectarian violence that ends in the in the decentralization of power, just through the feds inability to tramp it down, and then Balkamization afterwards. I've argued for a long time that the US only really worked because we had more space than people and there was plenty of room for everyone to just sort of go their own way, and the federal government was impotent enough not to get in the way of them doing that. But then industrial revolution reared its head in all but coerce people back into the cities. Coerse people back into the cities, and the communications technology eliminated the ability for you to just leave you. So now you have you have the US, which was largely funded by people that wanted to fuck off and be ignored in the woods. My dream. Still, a lot of us would love to just fuck off and be ignored in the woods. Will take care of ourselves. We're fine, We do not want your help, we do not need your help, we do not need you taking half of our earnings. And then you have the people saying, no, take half of his shit and give it to me. And those two groups can't coexist indefinitely because eventually, just through the odds of the fact that those people keep breeding, the people that want to take all your shit, they do, and the people that don't want you to take all their stuff. A lot of times they limit the number of children they have to the amount they can support. The funny old thing about adult responsibility. I know, right, when you take responsibility for yourselves and others, you do have a self limiting equation there, and the other ones don't because they're not the ones paying for it or caring. And that creates, much like the welfare state, creates a bunch of children that nobody really has any interest in raising correctly because they just sort of exist and it's not really your problem. The government will figure it out. Phenomenal job they've done of it so far. Yeah. Well, I would argue that the biggest reason for the inner city violence we have right now is the welfare state, which has created and perpetuated more poverty than it's ever solved. Funny how the War on poverty didn't reduce poverty, and the War on drugs didn't get really rid of drugs. Maybe what we need. War on terrorism. It's working out great, though. Yeah. I just hope the government doesn't decide to have a war on freaking stupidity, or there'd be ten times as much of that tomorrow. I got it. A war on income, that's what we need. Can you think of a better way to make income go higher? War on income? I can get whatever drugs I want. It's really not that difficult. You walk down to the local to local downtown, no matter where you are, you can buy whatever the hell you feel like. But nick income without a control for inflation or cost of living is irrelevant because all the numbers go up the same amount. All the numbers go up. That's that's just that's like everywhere are you on that? On that wave? Every time some fucking rocket scientists in the government starts talking about raising the minimum wage, I'm like, well, that's freaking outstanding. When when they when the person flipping burger's making twenty bucks an hour and the person driving the ambulance to making forty bucks an hour, and the CEO is making five hundred million a year and a burger costs thirty five dollars, we just make all the numbers go up at the same time. Guys, this isn't making anything better, it's just making the numbers bigger, raggle. The commedies are currently winning. The commedis are only winning because people are too impotent and disorganized to fight them. No, the commedies are winning because we have a high population of uninformed, ignorant, and stupid people that could be fited, that are not having to support themselves. Yeah, all we have to do is end the welfare state. Okay, your terms are acceptable, pull the pin. Yeah, I figured. Look, Look, that's that's really what it is. As much as I hate to say it, the only way we can get rid of the massive quantities of criminally stupid people is letting them die, not killing them. That would be cruel. Letting them succeed or die on their own merits. Your terms are acceptable to me since we're you know, since we're talking about criminally stupid. Though we do have one more banter we got to throw in here. Go for it, Escape from New York. I think of all of them all in New York. Okay, we don't need it anyway. I don't know if I put this above or below mad Max, but this is like number Those two are like number one, number two for plausibility. Here's why I say it already sort of have that with l already. Listen. First of all, the freaking British had Australia. So this idea of like a self, it's being done before it works beautifully. I mean New York City. New York City is already a fucking hell hole, overrun by freaking communists, pink hair morons, and freaking criminals. So all we really need to do is build a bridge and a line of belt feds on the bridges, and mines in the freeing water and sharks with lasers on their heads, and then we just put the problem solved. Isn't there a really nice port in New York, which point like, I mean ports are nice Bruh, I got we don't need New Yorkers, so we don't need New York sold pull those New York make make a prison island all that can go right through New York. Know there's already tons of public housing and apartments in high rises. Just nope, don't need that. See that's what of the gangs in escape from New York? A place to hide? Bulldo is it flat island? I don't, I don't. I don't care if they hide. I just want them to segregated from society. What they do to each other on the island is their own problem. Yeah. Look, we used to do that with prisons and mental institutions, and apparently that's not okay anymore. And now we have all these crazy people on the streets, stabbing everyone and claiming their Jesus. But I kind of wonder if we are reaching a point where, so you've heard me say before, once the normies get scared, things will start to change, right. I think once enough young men stop listening to overly empathetic women, it will change. I think once enough normal people will get the crap scared out of them, things will start to change because look as long as long as like sure, okay, with the exception of the oh. We forgot about Judge Dread, damn. It Okay, Well, Judge Dread is basically like. It's basically escaped from New York ten years later. It's Mad Max one halfway towards Warhammer forty k. We forgot Demolition Man, Louis. We could have done these forever though. I mean, come on, I love Demolition Man. Jacko Bell is the only restaurant and I still't know how the pink sea shells work, or the three shells work. The three you don't know how to use the thread, how to use the three shells. There's any of you that have not seen Demolition Man. It's it's it is peak nineteen eighties comedy action and I was just it's just fantastic. Go watch it with an open mind. You will love it. I will also say Judge Dread with Sylvester Sloan from the nineties is a good have a couple of beers, watch something silly with your friends. But the more recent Dread starring Carl Urban, that is like very faithful to the original, very dark, very brooding. I love it personally. The fact that audiences didn't like it very much just is just as further proof the audiences are stupid. It was an awesome movie, audiences audiences didn't like it for all the reasons I loved it exactly. It was exactly what it was supposed to be. It was supposed to be an authoritarian super cop killing everyone that got in his way. But back to Escape from New York. I think Escape from New York is probably fairly plausible because I truly believe that, like right now, if you obfuscate the pearl clutching, the average person couldn't give two shits about inner city violence because it doesn't affect them. The fact that you got large, the fact that you have young men shooting each other over drug turf and all these cities means nothing to the average person until it comes times start quoting gun violence statistics because it makes you feel safer. But the minute, because the minute that violence stills over into the suburbs, the minute upper middle class white folks start seeing the shit go down in their front yard, that's when things will start to change, because those tax paying Republicans and those lily white liberals will start screaming bloody murder for the evil police officers to put their boot on people's necks and make the bad thing go away. Well, look what happened when they shipped all those illegals to Martha's vineyard. How long were they in Martha's vineyard? Felt oddly enough, nobody asked them to move in mm hmm, all though they were, they were out in hours, yes, hours. Notice how fast the temperature in New York changed when all of a sudden we went from you know, we immigration, Haitian's a good thing and it's our strength and blah blah blah. And then the former mayor of New York was practically crying in front of the cameras because their city was overflowing people that they didn't have the money to care for. And you know, they sent them to Illinois too, which was hilarious to watch Priscard rant about. Yes, because you know, I firmly believe that if you were in favor of migrants visiting your city or your state. We should be we should them all. We should be willing to bring the problem to your doorstep because you asked for it. But I think escape from New York is actually fairly plausible, if for no other reason the fact that I really want to see people. I really want to see a former Special Force sky with an eyepatch and a mactan with a silencer and a scope mounted to the silencer smoking criminals. I mean, it's a good training aid. Seriously, though, I kind of I see that happening, not in exactly the way it is now right, not exactly the way it is portrayed in the movie where it's like a panal colony, but in the fact that, like you have such complete and total lawlessness. Think about the very beginning of Escape of New York. President's plane goes down, he gets captured, They send in the police over there, and they're confronted by one get killed. They're confronted with one guy who basically says, turn around and leave, or we kill the president and here's his finger. That is what I see happening in the near term as a very plausible scenario where certain areas are just pursuing on graded too police officers, And frankly, it already exists in a lot of Metro exist There are places in Metro New Orleans where cops know I should not be after dark. I will wind up on a tea. I will end up airbrush on a T shirt. For any of you that think the Chicago projects completely went away, I got a bridge in Arizona to sell you. Really, is it right next to the beachfront property? Yep ah, I love that place adjacent. But seriously, like I see, I see that that concentrated pocket of lawlessness, where police are not allowed to be, where law does not exist, where people do whatever they want flagrantly and out in the open because no one is coming to stop them. I see that being a very near term, very likely scenario for a lot of places in this country. It practically already exists today, and in some places it arguably has existed for ten or twenty years. Can I ever tell you what happened when I went to pick up a friend of mine at the Greyhound station in downtown south Side Chicago. I don't believe, so I haven't heard this story. All right, So we're heading downtown. Friend of mine was in the military, and he was on a budget traveling back to see his family. So the cheapest thing he could get was a Greyhound ticket. Right, So a couple of states pops on the Greyhound all the way to the South side Chicago. His arrival time was three thirty five am on the South side of Chicago on a Saturday. That's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see how it worked out for him. Extremely bold move. So we go down and my pick up, me and a couple of bodies to go pick him up. And on our way to that Greyhound station, we were stopped by the police. We were asked what we were doing in that heading in that direction. He said, well, we got to pick up a friend of mine at the Greyhound station. He said okay, He said, I have two questions for you. He said, are any of you wearing body armor? The police officer asked me, are any of you wearing body armor? Ah? No, we were not. He said, okay, is what you're going to do. His bus arrives at three thirty five. You are going to wait here until three twenty four. It will take you eleven minutes. If you do not stop at any of the stop signs to drive to the Greyhound station. You will drive to the Greyhound station. If the bus is not there, you will drive past the Greyhound station. You will get to this street. You will turn around and you will drive back to the Greyhound station. If the bus is not there, you will drive back here and you will leave. He said, do not stop at any stop signs, do not stop at any stop lights, do not stop for any pedestrians in the road. That was what Chicago PD told me to do. Jeff Jag saying, that sounds like an armored conboy situation. And this actually sounds extremely like the briefings I got before we did conboy ops in a win a war zone. I was told by a Chicago PD officer, you will not stop at any stop sign, stop light, or for any pedestrian. Did I ever tell you about the briefing I got before I drove from bat Rouge into New Orleans Post Katrina, Yeah you have. I think you've said you've told it on the show a couple of times. Yeah, short version was I was told. I was told Bagdad rules, which is a whole nother story that basically involves any any anyone that acts up or gets crazy or points a webinargy, you drill and drop him in the street and keep going sort it out on the back end. No, no, no, not sorted out. The sorting out was done by dropping them in the street and keeping your foot on the gas. Uh huh. I'm not saying that that's like a good thing to have to do, but given given that at that moment, they were literally shooting at police officers and National guardsmen all throughout the city for just random the fire rescue cruise, Yeah, yeah, Like, why would you shoot. At rescue cruise? That's just. Yeah, And Gillian's reminded me so. Several weeks after Katrina May been six weeks later, a friend of mine, my best friend, actually, he was running fuel trucks in and at the New Orleans area for FEMA, and he got into a situation where his uh, as he was leaving, he was running out of fuel and I think all the friggin like is his headlights and everything burned out. He popped a fuse or something and burnt out all the lights on a truck. So he stopped at a gas station and figure, well, in the morning, when the sun's up, i'll get gas, I'll drive out of here. Well, he's sitting there and he's hearing gunshots off in the distance. He's not too far from like Belchase, Louisiana, which isn't like the hood, but this post Katrina, New Orleans. So he literally called me, knowing that I was on that military post that he wasn't too far from not realistm. I had just left there to go up to Hammon to spend the weekend with Gillion. So the two of us got in my car, drove down there, grabbed him, and brought him back to Hammond, where it was far enough out of the area that he was safe. And the conversation I had with my wife, who is my girlfriend at the time, was basically like, look, until we get back up here, I'm treating this whole thing like a war zone. So I'm gonna need you to do exactly what I say. And not argue. And I'd ask me why, and I'd ask me when, and asked me no questions. If I tell you to do something, just turn your brain off and do what I asked you to do immediate. Yeah. Now, now is the time to be listening to the person with common experience. Yeah, And I mean, you know, it was uneventful. We went in, we got my friend, we left, but you know, I mean we had been well breethed not to be outside of post after dark, and I was literally disobeying everything we've been told up to that moment to go get my friends. So it was it was a weird situation. But anyway, I digress. So yeah, I mean, I think Escape from New York probably pegs the plausibility scale because that's happening, Like I of all these, of all this, of all this pure sci fi bull crap that's like maybe twenty thousand years in the future maybe happen. The two things we hit on were Matt Backs and Escape from New York, And we're both admitting that there's some aspects of those that are happening today. There are there are, I mean in Europe, they are absolutely no go zones in almost every European country except for Poland, oddly enough. And they've tried to establish them here in the US a couple of times. They are currently suing to try to start a Muslim only community in Texas. Hmmm. Look, we've said it before on this show. Islam is not a race. It's not a religion. It's a political ideology that is hiding behind religion, and it is a violent and antithetical to Western civilization political ideology. Also, oddly enough, considering the number of Blue hair feminists that support it very patriarchal and very misogynistic. You know, I told my I have a cousin that's extremely left leaning, and she was very pro Muslim immigration. I said, you know what, great, I said, I'd love it. Do it. Bring them all over, see what happens. Said why said, I'm a man. It's gonna be great for me. I can fake being a Muslim. How's it going to be for you? According to Stewart, already have the beard. I had the beard for it before I cut in. You did? But hey, man, the summer trip. No, I mean my my whole issue, with my whole issue with Islam in a nutshell, really just comes down to like a severe case of cultural incompatibility. Oh yeah, And I will be the first to admit if if me saying that that culture is incompatible with my culture, if that makes me a bigot, far right, culturally insensitive, cult or ethnocentric, if it makes me any of those things, I am fucking okay with that. Piss off. You know, I don't want I don't want culture imported into my homeland that has the express stated goal of displacing and destroy destroying my culture. I have a right because this was my home. First of saying, no, I'm going to have my culture and it's gonna be maintained, and I'm going to make sure it sticks around, and I'm going to make damn be ensure that if anybody threatens to destroy it, I destroy them first. Look, man, this is the problem with the left attempting to manipulate people's emotions by calling them Nazis and calling them racists and calling them bigots. Eventually, actually, what's mean done. No, no, no, it's it's even worse than that. It's even worse than that. And I'll tell you why. It's not just that the word loses its meaning. It is that, Well, if I'm going to be punished like I'm doing all these things, I might as well profit and do all of these things. If I'm going to be the villain in your origin story, I'm gonna get my money. See the villain. Yeah, I'm gonna get my money's worth. Thought of being the villain, I might as well enjoy burning the bitch down. I'm cool with that. Look, you can't. You cannot weaponize language like that without blowback. And that is the issue that they're going to have because you're seeing it now. You're seeing them walk down the street and do they're a man on the street accusing people of being racist and accusing people of being a Nacian. There are military fighting age males that are saying, yeah, you know what, fuck it, I am doesn't mean anything anymore. It's not a very long step from convincing them to get into the opposite political extremist ideology, because you've already lumped them in with that camp. They might as well be there with friends. And that's not a great thing. It doesn't encourage moderation. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. If anything, it discourages moderation and discourages discourse, and that is where society breaks down. And that's how we wind up with Escape from New York, Yes, or Civil War one or the other. So yeah, Ragla didn't notice until I said something. Yeah, I it's classic. So not because having a long beard makes your face any hotter, but because as I've as I've started to do range officer training, I'm spending extended periods outside in the heat, and the first time I came home, my beard was out to hear in an afro because it got hot and sweaty and just blew up. And you know, I mean, having it shorter does make it a little more manageable and it cleans so much easier. Like this is this is purely a this is easier for me to maintain when I'm going to be outside a lot, and I'm going to be outside every couple of weekends for basically a whole day during the hottest part of the day for a few months. I'm actually doing it. I'm actually doing my second training class on Sunday. How was that going? I have to admit, and this is have you released your inner fud? Oh you already took away the inevitable tangent. I was gonna throw that band rup. It's like a perfect time for it. I deleted because I didn't want to confuse you. No, So, like range officer training is going really well. I actually had a really great time my first time out. I the trainer made the comment. Apparently he made it to me, but he also made it to the training coordinator, just commenting on like how how well I how well I was able to kind of like integrate myself into a group of new shooters and help try to school them up and everything like, so, in the name of context, this was a group of I think five young African American men. I'll be the first to say, this is Louisiana. It's not like it's not like black people are like, you know, a one off down here. But this range does tend to be very, very, very very Caucasian, as is the shoot as is, you know, the shooting community for a long time, tends to be very Caucasian dominated. To be fair, most gun control laws started to keep black people from getting firearms. Yes, which is why I go another reason why gun control is unconstitutionals it's race based. But this group of young men came in had, I think, just purchase these firearms, had very little experience with them, very obviously, and they were having a collection of function issues with their firearms. So at first it was like, we have some rules like all the all the steel on the pistol ranges for pistols only. And somebody had somebody had a draco out there shooting nine. Yeah, technically pistotal not a pistol. Yeah, And all I did was I tapped him on the shore and said, hey, I don't understand that it's a pistol. It shoots a rifle around, you cannot shoot to steal. Very polite, very direct, he appreciated, Yeah, informatives. And it wasn't long after that I started noticing that they had a pair of ar pistols and they were having all kinds of freaking problems getting these damn things to run. So I dove in, you know, asked, asked if I get lent in hand, asked if they needed some help, And as soon as they gave him the green light, I dove in to try to help them figure out what was going on with these two guns. And another range officer, because we were very heavy that day on ros, came over and we both were trying to diagnose these guns right there on the range and showing them like, hey, they had a they had a round, get stuck in the chamber, didn't know how to mortar an ar? I showed. I showed him how to mortar a ar like you know it was. We brought over a can of loub and try to loob up the guns again and run a little bit better. Like we did everything we could to try to help these guys have a very positive shooting experience with very new firearms that were not behaving correctly. At the end of the day, they came away frustrated with the firearms, but very happy with the experience. They had, very appreciative of us for like taking the time to try to school up and try to show them some things. And my point of view has always been like, there is no downside to more people learning how to responsibly carry and use farms. There's no downside to it, because what's going to happen is that these young men, having gone through this process of purchasing these farms, they had to fill out background checks because I know they bought them at a gun store from a license ffel Like I got the whole story from them. Everyone of them had to fill out of forty four to seventy three. Everyone of them had to go through a background check. Every one of them has had that experience. Now, you will never again be able to tell these young men about the gun show fucking loophole, because they know better. You will never again be able to tell these young men about how all ars or machine guns because they went came out to the range with FRTs and their ars and they were choking. They were not they were not running superlively like machine guns would the education they bought themselves that day guarantee that ninety percent of the gun control bull crab you could pump into their heads will never find fertile ground ever again, because they know better now. Yep. So that that is the reason why I started going down this path and becoming a range officer, is because I think public ranges, as much as I would prefer a private range, as much as public range scare the crap out of me because I've been bustled at so many of them, But I think public ranges serve a purpose and they have to stay open because they are the gateway for most people to get into shooting. And so they absolutely are. And if we as a community are ever gonna have a chance of maintaining our rights and pushing back against decades of effort to strip them away from us, we have to keep public range open. We have to keep people coming into the sports, we have to keep people coming into lifestyle, and we have to encourage them to come in meet them wherever they're at with whatever guns they want to bring to the range, whether we like them or not, whether we think they work well or not, it doesn't This is a zero sum game. At the end of the day, they are either going to be on our side or they are open. They are there's an open invitation for somebody to pump their head full of gun control crap and turn them the other direction. I would rather have them on our. Side, absolutely. This is This is why anytime I hear somebody thinks thinking about wanting to get into shooting, I invite them out to a range day. My treat, bud, come out as much ammo as you want, whatever guns I got, you can shoot everything. As long as you listen to the safety instructions. That's the only thing I ask, because you know what their rules. The first one is free. That's how you get somebody hooked. Yeah, And my my big thing is is, like, you know, we as long as a person can come out to the range and conduct themselves safely, then I've done. I've done what I what I set out to do. If the next time I come across them they started asking, I hope that the next time they come out they're asking me for tips on how to shoot more accurately and not just like you know, muzzle dump everything into the broom like they were. But hell, most of us that's fun. Most of us started out shooting the trash, shooting the trash piles in the freaking junkyard. So you know. There is a thing that you're gonna used soda cans in grandparents' backyard. Look, I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not, so I'm not saying this definitely did happen. But hypothetically, a group of slightly more than teenage boys might have disassembled a junkyard car in the woods with shotguns and aks and ars and handguns. And then, oh, you're talking about. The backwood shooting car. Yeah, everybody's hometown had one of those, whether you were invited or not. And then they might and then they might have taken that and uh, put it on a trailer and drug it to the nearest junk yard and dumped it off in the parking lot and it looked like Bonnie and Clyde's get away car. But you know they won't take it if you drop it off but during the daylight. But theoretically they were smart enough to remove the vent numbers first. That's good. That's good because that's how you get caught. That is how you get caught when there's a vent number on the car that you tore to pieces and then dropped yeah on minecraft. All I'm saying is like, look, I totally understand there's that perspective out there that's like, Hey, these guys were, you know, shooting frt's in the burm and doing dumb stuff and this and the other. But I'm like, you know what, were they being safe as long as you know sen one over the burm? Look, me and my idiot friends did plenty of dumb stuff with guns when we were younger. Christ knows, we tried to be as safe as we knew how about it while doing the dumb stuff. And you know that's as an RSO at a public range, your only jobs to make sure that they're being sife only one. Only one is safety. If along the way but he goes home uninjured. If along the way I can give these guys a little bit of knowledge about how these farms work, how to deal with problems, then all the better. I mean literally, the first thing I told them after we took a look at their guns and realized they hadn't been cleaned and they were boned drivers, like, hey, y'all need to get some lube in these things. And you need to go get some cleaning kits for them. Like, I think that was all of a lot of your problems. If you have the chamber brush, so you can clean out all the crap and everything that's obviously in your chamber. Because they were having problems. They were having an issue where when they would try to chamber around, it would stop like a quarter inch shorter going into battery. And that tells me the chamber was dirty. Carbon falling in the chamber. Yeah. Yeah, especially for if you're shooting dirty Russian ammel back in the day, resent in the chamber. Yeah, but in this case, this was they were shooting brass. But I mean these things were well, these things were FRTs. I think they only had like six inch or five inch barrels. They were a little bitty, So those things were just those things were just dumping carbon crap right back into the champ Yeah. Those were probably over pressured to fuck. Yeah. I made some recommended. They asked me what I would do to try and make them more reliable. I gave some suggestions. Yeah, but I told him number one, go back to the same gun store gun show you bought these things from them, Go find the crusty old guy that's got like military spec cleaning kits just lining from here to there. Go buy one for every one of them. It'll have a chamber brush in it. And I told him get some gun lube or in a pinch, get some ten W thirty mobile one. Yeah, yeah, ten W thirty works pretty good. I'm gonna tell you right here, and now I'm not saying it's the right way, but I have an un good authority that soldiers in a combat zone that needed some lube to keep rs running have been known to pull the dipstick out of a humbee and just right into the chamber and it works perfectly. Look when it comes to some lubricant or no lubricant, wrong, luber kint is better than none. I did make a point of telling them, don't use W forty, and their face let up, said the guy that sold as they said don't use WD forty, And I was like. That guy was right, man, that man was looking out for you. But yeah, you know what, I love introducing new people to shooting, because man, I've got I have some pretty good firearms. They're not top top tier, but they're pretty good. And if I can, if I take a new shooter out into the range and there's somebody that's willing to listen. I can have them doing cool fun stuff with that gun within the first range session and it just gets that bug in. Yeah. So, I mean yeah, all that to say that, like, yeah, URSO training is going phenomenal. The only thing that works my nerves is it's gonna take me after this Sunday. I've got eight more training sessions I got to go through and then one big RSO class that's gonna be I think half a day or a full day and then I should be like fully blessed off done. But so far, I love it. It's good. Everything I didn't think I was going to enjoy about it, I've actually fallen into very quickly because like as we said before, I'm an introvert. I don't like dealing with people especially but I don't know, but something just clicks in my brain when I see a person struggling with something that I know how to do really well, and I just I feel that compulsion to like just half them on the shoulder and offer some help. It triggers that knowledge bugging yourself, Yeah, like I can I can make this more fun for you. Ten out of ten, and that's that's what I'm after. But let's go unpack this one in. Man, it's been an hour and forty minutes. I saw doctor Scary Guy say, remember that one hour goal. I like it better this way. I don't disagree with you, sir, but some people do not appreciate the eight hour long podcasts. Look it, every conversation lasts the time, it takes summer shorter than others. Yeah, there is that. Okay, we'll go ahead and wrap this one up market on your calendars. August the thirteenth, that's coming up. It will be the tenth anniversary. Nick and I will definitely be here. I'm gonna start harassing Andrew to make sure he's gonna be able to make it. There will be harassing lady too. There will be no topic, there will be no banners, there will be no nonsense. There might not even be admin work. We are just gonna show up and see who shows up in the comments, and we're gonna be as about what ten years of. Fairly, I'm fairly certain I have the day after that off of work. Oh so we can really act a fool. Yes, I don't have that Friday off. I'm pretty sure I have that Friday off. I do not have that Friday off. Fortunately, I recover from drinking very quickly. Good. Good, you're gonna need it. I'm sure. All right. Matter of facts, going out the door and eight everybody, Thank all seven of you for hanging out for a very very long show to talk about how the world is going to end and whether or not. Hollywood got it right. Maybe see all another week. Bye to night, Beringer, ber