Matter of Facts: Pack It Up

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We have a bone to pick with one of our listeners who's been giving us crap in the comments. So first and foremost bad decisions by becoming a patron. This show is one percent patron funded, which gives me the unique opportunity to act like a raging asshole about almost anything, almost any topic I choose with almost no consequences, as long as my friendly FBI handler doesn't get completely unhinged and upset. And your wife doesn't get mad. Yeah, but I don't talk about my wife badly because I'm a good husband, so and frankly, after twenty years together, she. Pretty much knows what she's dealing with. So you know, there is all that. But the patrons allow me to not have to kiss the ass of advertisers, sensors or anyone else. So I get to be me, and I'm assuming y'all are enjoying it. If not, why would you still be here? Masochism. Maschism does have a chooses us. Also, you should by merged for the vibes from the Southern galos. Support a small business, support us, get a funny T shirt. One day, we're actually gonna sit down and we're gonna revamp the shirt line. Just as soon as we find the right level of like intoxication and coffee and autism to make all that come together. We could do the Patroon episode that we were supposed to do where we drink heavily and discuss religion and then get on the morn with them while hammered and discuss t shirt ideas. Did I agree to discuss religion while drinking heavily? You implied that we would have to drink heavily if we discussed religion, But. I don't think I ever agreed to do so. I think it was more an offhand comment, not like a prescription. That's fine, Oh Jesus Christ, that's gonna happen sooner or later. One of these days, we'll have to do it. I guess I should go ahead and start saying the Hail Mary's now, to build up a nice little surplus of them. I mean, I was an altar boy at one point. It gets to like extra credit right a long time ago. It was a good faithful Catholic. So I don't know what to tell you, but things came off the rails at a certain point. They do, they do, and last would not leaves prevent war crimes or event new war crimes with code mofa disaster coffee disasters in my cup, but it doesn't have to be a disaster in your cup. True, it's very tasty in your cup. I do have to say I recently and that this totally doesn't matter anybody that doesn't roast her own coffee. But you know, I roast on my own. It's Bunker beans from the store. But I recently decided to tweak the recipe a little bit, so I went a little more aggressive with the roast and I grounded just a touch courser. So I have this kind of a parallel to reloading. I have this thing where I'm looking for the perfect being that is good in a drip machine and okay in an espresso. Sure. And the problem I run into is that, like normally with espresso, you find a lot of people that lean more and more towards dark roast. Yeah, but I'm not a huge dark roast fan, especially not an espresso. You get too much bitterness out of it. I can believe that. So I tend to go for like a medium medium dark. Sure. But my daughter love for to death, does not like drip coffee unless it is like full bodied. Huh. You created a connoisseur by accident. Constantly in this battle where like I want to roast the coffee darker so that. She'll drink it. On occasion. In this she prefers espresso while not making it so dark that, like in my drip machine, it's just darker than I wanted to be. I'm tweaking the recipe, but I think by roasting a little darker and then grinding it a little coarser, sure, I've kind of like given it more flavor and then balanced out the extraction a little bit. So I don't know. That's That's what comes with roasting your own coffee is you get to literally just play around with the recipe because it's the same thing every time. It's beans. You roast them and then you grind them and you know, make them in a coffe So the only variables you really get to play with is the level of roast. Well for the same beam, yeah, but the level of roast and then how coarsely or finally you grind it and you you tweak those variables and it influences the taste. I could believe that That makes sense to me, now what you were catching sass about. Yeah, So first of all, raggle Fragle said, okay, fellas, I need your help making the most of a bad decision. I have a chassis way and need to fill it. Before I read the next sentence, I thought we were talking about an automotive chassis, and I was all kinds of bad decisions. And then you say less swap is the correct answer, not always. Okay, yeah, that's fair. I could see a big block four fifty four and some things I would really upset you because I grew up with Japanese cars, and you would. I have always, really, I've always kept my eye out for like a good decent second gen or seven. Okay, that's fair, Yeah, that's fair. Those are fun, naturally aspirated, no turbos, a really aggressive street port on the rotor housings, and no catolic converter. It would be quick. It would be very quick. I mean it wouldn't be that quick, but it would. You would hear it for like a quarter of a mile. Oh yeah, it would still be quick. Yeah, by modern standards. Not nothing super impressive, but it would be fun. Actually, I came like this close to getting an old dats in two ADZ got sold before I got to go look at it. That's a shame. I know a guy who has a Gremlin sitting in his garage, and I have considered it, but I had known nothing about cars, so I would have to learn how to do a project car while doing a project car, and that sounds like an amount of time commitment that I cannot possibly support. That's actually the best way to learn is just like I'm sure it is, but the time investment that it would work, wire would have to get rid of most of my other hobbies. I mean, I think, oh shit, we have lost Phil. My talk of disturbing hobbies must have gotten rid of him. But so what Ragel was saying is he needs to find a big boar caliber to have. That was naughty. That was I don't know what happened. I just got the h I got the blue screen of death in like in the browser said something went wrong, and I was like, something clearly did. Something clearly did. Task failed successfully, but you're back and that's what matters. Yeah, it didn't like lock up the browser anything. It's just the browser went to a something went wrong screen. Never seen that before anyway, good, but we need to move on from this. Four sixty weatherby Magnum is the correct answer. If you're going to get into big boar, go all the way a real big or the wildcat. Those are your two possible best options, so that I lost my starred comments. You mean, like this one. Are they still starred they are for me? Well, that's magnificently annoying. They're not starred for me anymore. At some point, Ragel decided to tell us to stop trying to spend all of his money after he asked us to help him spend his money. Look, if it's not my money, I'm gonna help you spend all of it. I mean, I think that's how government works. If it's not my money, I'm gonna encourage him that he needs a night vision scope on top of that thing. Whatever it is, Okay, three seventy five Raptor could be fun. I'm not familiar with that one. It's another wildcat well obviously, but I mean, what is it more than a three seventy five caliber bullet. It's like a three seventy five h H on a slightly different case geometry. So it's a long action. Yeah, yeah, it's a long action. Yeah, yep. Okay, so yes, just just let that. Let that be that. If you ask us to help you spend your money, we're going to acquiesce. Sometimes we tell you there's a better option. At a more reasonable price that will allow you to afford training. I'll borrow a three hundred, which I love. Mine feel's quite fond of his, very having shot a thirteen oh one a little bit, I can't say I really noticed the difference other than the stock configuration having a pistol grip, which I wasn't a fan of anyway. I don't know why I love pistol grip rifles. I don't like pistol grip shotguns. I'm kind of ambivalent on pistol grip rifles like I've shot both, and I'm very happy with either. I absolutely did test pistol grips on shotguns. I have shot them. I have never I've shot them, just pistol grip and pistol grip with stock. I have never liked one for I don't even know why, but shotguns traditional stocks only for me, I understand the allure behind throwing a pistol grip on a shotgun gets you closer towards the manual of arms of your typical rifle. But further away from the manual typical manual arms of a shotgun. Yeah, which I that not to mention like now this is also me but like again, because I grew up. I didn't grew up. I didn't grow up being like a shotgun guy. But I grew up playing with shotguns because friends of mine, Hey, you want to try this, and why wouldn't I? Right exactly? And when you go out on a pheasant hunt, where do they hand you? But at no point in time have I ever like the first time I ever messed around with the pistol grip shotgun, the pistol grip was constantly in my way. Yeah, now that could be because I started off with traditional stock shotguns and I just got used to it not being there. But regardless, when I grab a shotgun, whether it's a pump or semi auto, I am immediately like, I don't want this stupid thing hanging here like saws. All it off, be done with it. I agree, I was wrong, it's not It's not a redone three seventy five. Ah and ah, it's a three toh eight neck to up. Okay, so that's my bad. Depending on cartridge link, that could be a short action, could be a short action, which would be a lot of fun. I thought I could see that being a lot of fun. Yeah, it could be a lot of fun. Could be a good brush gun, good gun or a hog gun. Yeah, all right, So to the topic. Twelve minutes in and only one technical difficulty to our credit. That's food packaging. So this was kind of your idea, and then Stewart asked us what we had in mind, and I pretty much wrote a whole episode just with offhand comments. Yeah, that's usually how we do it. Yeah, so the idea came to me. We've talked before about what kind of food is a good idea to have around, but we've not really gone in depth on how you should care for that food once it's in your custody. We've talked about store and AMMO. We've talked about store and water, but you know, aside from canned goods, you really don't necessarily want to store your bulk food items in their retail packaging. Disagree, It depends on what it is. Uh So there can but I don't like the retail packaging on most bulk food items. I don't, But we can agree to disagree on that, especially flour. Fucking hate those paper bags. They always rip at the stupidest time and they leak constantly. But so here's the thing, like let's let's started this from perspective of like what are our concerns or we're in business world, where are the requirements here? So for food packaging, like the goal is to maintain the viability of the food until you are prepared to eat it. Like it sounds like a no shit filled type of thing, but that's that's the goal here. Yeah, you want to remove light, you want to control temperature, you want to keep pests out, and you want to keep water out and if you can keep oxygen out as much as possible. Yeah, and depending on I broke this down kind of into like how long you intend to store the food, and some of that guides what what things you need to do to package and prepare and maintain the food. And at the very end of this, we'll have a discussion about like maybe tailoring what you want to store based on how long you want to store it, and a little bit your environment too, because I'm not going to have as much moisture concerns as you are down on the Gulf coast. You don't say no, no, I do not, and I don't have to worry about water bottles freezing in my truck in the winter. That's true. Water bubbles will freeze in my truck this morning. Even that that's gross. Yeah, it was like thirty one this morning. We had our first spring and second spring already, so we're on last false winter and we should be into proper spring in another week and a half when the tornado season picks back up next week. Yeah, that just seemed that just sounds dumb. But since we started talking about water freezing in your vehicle, I'm putting mobile and short term packaging together. Maybe maybe I shouldn't have, but here's kind of where I'm thinking. So when I think about mobile, when I think about mobile packaging and short term packaging, to me, they're kind of going together because if it's short term i'm talking about, you're really only trying to store it ostens for maybe several hours, several days, likes fair. I'm thinking, like the the mainstay rations that I tend to recommend that are like in my vehicle, and they're in my hiking pack and they're in a lot there at Frankly, I keep one in my back in my backpack at work. Yeah, just because I've been in a weird situation where somebody decided to have a you know, we decide to have a bomb scare at work, as as tends to happen, and now we're staying here for twelve hours. Well that happened. That happened at about ten forty five in the morning, because it was right before lunch and at the time I usually ate, like right at eleven o'clock because I get into work at six am, and uh, I didn't leave the facility until eight thirty at night. It got so bad they literally like rated the boxes of like snacks that they used to stock the vending machine to work, just to give people something to eat because like our like we'd been out there all day, our blood sugar was. Yeah, we have people who were diet diabetic who were they were genuinely having concerns about how do we evacuate these people, because in order to get them off the facility, they have to go in the direction of the thing that might blow up. That's a problem, Yeah, that's yeah, that's a real difficulty. I mean, I think you've kind of got two separate things here that it both can be talked about in the same way. Like your mainstay rations, you don't have to alternatively package those because those are packaged in a way in which they should be shelf stable. Maybe not pest proof because rodents will eat through that packaging. And it's for the most part shelf stable as long as as long as they're rated to be good for which is I think five to seven years on these five to seven years is what I've always heard. But to the point of the packaging, Like the packaging is kind of built into that system. It is vacuum bag, it is foil wrap. There is no UV light getting in there, there's no oxygen getting in there, there's no water getting in That's why I like manstay rations because they're literally marine rations. They are meant to be stuck in a life raft when you're stuck at sea for days on end. They're meant to be stuck on a life raft on a boat and ignored for five to seven years, yes, still being good probably after their expiration date, yes, And that they tend to be my preference for short term packaging. Like obviously, if if it's something I intend to eat, like we're gonna be out on a day long hike or a half day hike, and I might bring some cliff bars or some granola bars, or I might bring a little thing of I might bring my little bit MSAR pocket rockets, some extra water, and like some mountain house with me. But like my big things about mobile or short short term packaging is I don't have to have as serious of a concern about pest getting into it because ostensibly I'm gonna be carrying it on the move. I don't have to have a real huge concern about it being like one hundred percent water tight, because if it's water tight enough in a hiking pack, yeah, you're going to be consuming it before the water would have damaged it, probably. Yeah. And as far as like air tight, again, how air tight does it? If it's air tight enough to be shelf stable at room temperature for eight twelve hours, it's probably gonna probably okay, Yeah, A lot of that stuff you're looking at, like if you're making yourself up, say a hiking meal, you're looking ziplocks or say if you have a food saver vacuum bager thing. I like those better than ziplocks just because they don't it tends to be easier to get everything compressed down. And then if I do get into a situation where like my canoe has tipped over and I am in a river. It is as waterproof as it can be. You know you're not You're not going to have an issue with that then. So one thing about the food saver bags and I do like them and I use them frequently. Helpful hint. If it's something you're going to keep in your freezer, I don't recommend doing this because there is a chance you could release the airtight seal on the bags. But if it's something that you're using in the capacity you just talked about, where like you're gonna pack, you're gonna pack it in it's gonna be in a hiking pack or whatever. You take a pair of scissors, you take the edge where it's like bactory sealed and cut a slit. Yep. You just get a little v yep, And that is a perfect little spot where you can just grab your hands and then rip it open. I mean, yeah, you should have a pocket knife on you, but it just makes a really convenient way to open those up. And by the way, that is also how I pack my loose medical equipment for hiking packs for not for like blowout kits, because like that's I'm talking about stuff like band aids. Yeah, non immediate access stuff. Yeah, the kind of stuff that I would have in a hiking pack, because you know, you just get little bumps, bruises, scrapes, cuts and shit you need to deal with on the trail, those kinds of things. I put them in a space. I put them in a vacuum bag, bag them up, maybe not suck them like completely down, but like get most of the air out and cut a little slid inside so I can rip it open. And that way, if if the bag gets wet, the supplies stay dry, Like that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, you know, even just just your off the shelf bandits, they don't handle moisture very well. Once you get them wet, that adhesive starts to go away and then they're they're really no good anymore. Yeah, so they don't stay where you put them. But and in this I would also say like mobile or short term packaging. So several years ago I got away from the idea of having like lots and lots of like the little twelve ounce disposable water bottles in my truck. I always kept water in that I've always kept water in my truck, and I actually kept water in my car before I had the truck because again, like there have been times where I've been stuck someplace for longer they expected, and it's really convenient just to have a man and stay ration three or four bottles of water just in case. And I used to make a habit of keeping a bottle in each one of the doors in the truck. And then anytime somebody said he I'm thirstay, just grab a bottle, pop it open, drink it through, or you know whatever. But then I realized, I'm like, I'm throwing away a lot of water bottles that have had like two SIPs taken. Out of them. Yeah, and I'm not like, you know, Turbo Greeny Savior hearth type. Still it seems like a waste. It does seem very wasteful, and I don't like throwing plastic landfills for no reason. So I went out and bought a bunch of twenty ounce camelbags. And they're not like the big tall ones. They're like, you know, a little bit bigger than an advertise drinking like these a little bit thicker around than that. But they fit perfectly in the door pockets of a toilet's coma nice and they fit perfectly if you have like a door that has like, you know, kind of the deep cup holders hers in the doors. Yeah, they fit really conveniently in most vehicles. I so now I have one of them in one of the doors, and that's in addition to extra water that's in the back of the truck that's less accessible. But anyway, it's the kind of thing that like, I don't know that I would recommend you try to do like long term storage in a BPA free plastic bottle, but there are worse ways to do it, you know. I'll tell you guys this. There are no plastics that do not leach chemicals when heated when warm. I've been working in the plastics industry for fifteen sixteen years now, and every single year the new safe plastics a few years down the line we find out, hey, just so you know, it does leach X, Y or Z with temperature increases. There is, in my opinion, no food safe plastic. There isn't luck getting away from having any plastics contact your food. They are just frankly too useful. Yeah, but if you can minimize it, that's for the better and the best way to avoid chemical leaching out of plastics is to keep them at a stable temperature, because every time you alter the temperature, plastics are in there more and more likely to leach chemicals, especially with liquid contact. Yeah, okay, so mid term now we have to define this. Short term mobiles pretty easy to understand. We're either talking about short term storage solution or something that is going to be packable or storable in a vehicle. Midterm. I tend to think this is like zero to six months. I call it my pantry, my standard pantry. I'm not talking about what's in food grade buckets, sealed in my lar. I'm not talking about your deep storage canned goods. I'm talking your immediate access pantry. So if you guys have a say, like a large kitchen cabinet that you keep all your basic ingredients in, that's your midterm stuff. Most of your off the shelf packaging is probably okay for mid term storage. You know, if it's not going to be sitting around your house for more than a couple of weeks to maybe a couple of months, store bought packaging is probably fine. In fact, it's probably optimized for that product for that length of time, because that's how long most people keep it. Yeah, I would say that with midterm packaging like I agree with her hardily. I really can't see repacking it with a couple of exceptions for meat because we do have fridge freezer and their chest freezer in the garage. For meat, I find that if the packaging has large air voids, like think about like a piece of meat that's on like a like a styrofoam tray and then has swam wrapper at the top, and there's huge air pockets in there, that'll go bad faster. I repack that for two reasons. First of all, because getting more air out means it. Lasts longer, yeah, but also because it's a gigantic pain in the ass to fall that because of those huge air pockets. Whereas in a like meat wrapped in butcher paper. Yeah, but in a vacuum bag with all the air removed, you can throw it in a hot water bath and it thaws very quickly and efficiently. I don't take that point of view with sausage, though, because sausage usually don't have giant air pockets in it, typically not. Any ground meat usually does not unless you get the uh, unless your store packs ground meat itself and it does it in those. Foam trays and mine tend to which is why I but I also buy bulk packages of ground beef and I repack it like one to one point two pounds per so that my goal is always that once you because you know, ground bee is gonna lose a little bit of weight with the water and everything it does. Yeah, I'd like to end at a pound, so I overshoot a little bit. Yeah, that's my and you do lose a little bit cooking it too, in the grease coming out of everything. Yeah, but I'm thinking like a lot of the steaks we buy, like skirt steak, Rabbi sirloin, they all come in a pretty oxygen free packaging that's very easy to to reheat. Rethaw mm hmm. Chicken's kind of a mixed bag. Sometimes that comes in a tray with a lot of stuff, with a lot of air pockets. Chicken can be a mixed bag. Sometimes it comes in that in just a giant, frankly giant bag of just a bunch of chicken breasts or chicken thighs and those well, it's basically just like freezing an individual piece. Yeah, just a stile. Also, if your food product, if your meat product comes on like that sponge thing at the bottom of the tray. I highly encourage you to just repackage it use a vacuum bag. I mean, like you could. You could just use zip blocks if you want. But honestly, like a a fridge saver, or like a vacuum bag, or and a bulk pack of bacum bags off of Amazon is so fricking affordable. You don't have a lot of good financial reasons not to just get one. They're too If you buy the role of bags, it is a third the cost. Can you buy it in anything ever than a role? I've only ever bought it in one. You can buy it in already individually made bags that don't do that. It is done. It costs more than a ziplock. But if you buy it in the big role, it's like a third of the cost of a ziplock bag. Don't buy it by the role, by it by like the half dozen rolls. Yeah, exactly exactly. You buy you buy a case of rolls. I've still got the same case of roles I bought when I got that stupid thing five or six years ago. They last for I bought buy second one. Your second role, no, my second case. Oh okay, but I will say this much not like so, even though we are talking about mid term packaging, like I've said, like, I repack a lot of the stuff for the sake of like space efficiency, for the sake of preventing freezer burn, because freezer burns just a pet peeve of mine. I My goal is to always have the freezer pretty well filled with meat, right and have two to three times however much I have in the freezer in the chest freezer that makes sense, and try to try to be good about rotating through. But like, for that reason, I go through a lot of vacuum bag because I repackage a lot of it to try to like beat freezer burn. But the other thing I'm trying to point out was, in addition to that, like we already talked about how vacuum bagger comes in super handy for making your own little medical kits or AMML packs. It comes in really handy for AMMO packs, It comes in handy for a lot of things. I'm going to tell you that if there's something you would like to make pretty damn waterproof one time, a vacuum bagger is a really hard proposition to beat. You can. You can suck all the air out, seal it up if you want to be extra careful, and I do this sometimes I'll actually cause like it comes on a roll, so it's open at both ends. Right, you got to seal this end, then you put the stuff in. Then you clamp this end vacuum bag it seal it on both ends twice, yep. Make sure to do that sure, just in case you get a little pinhole or something where like in the freezer. It's not an enormous problem because once the thing is frozen, it's not going to allow air to like intrude it in the bag is easily. But if it's going to be kept it at room temperature, then I tend to seal it at both ends, just to be on the safe side. Make it to where like you throw it in a bucket of water and nothing I'll get into it. I've had really good luck with mine. I've I've not had any seals come undone on them on their own, except for beef jerky, which poked holes in the bag until I started rat rolling it in butcher paper first and then chucking it through there. I've had a couple that I don't think ever really got like got all the way through. But I think a lot of it was because like when your vacuum bagger is sucking all the juice and the moisture and everything out. Oh yeah, if it's wet, that can be a problem. If it's it will not it will It'll make a pretty good seal, but not a perfect seal. So a lot of times, yeah, that's that. Yeah, I'll keep a little bit of paper towel with me and I'll actually like you know, mop up all the moisture and then sealed a second time just to make sure. Yeah, that's a good way to do it, because that's going to interfere with the with the the thermal process of melting the bag closed. Yeah, But like I said, other than that, like I do on a midterm packaging and whatever it comes in, Like I've got a couple of little bins that are all spices and literally, like we used to keep the spices in with a lot of our second pantry, but then we kept losing stuff because you know, like you have these big bags and stuff in there, then you have these little bit of spices that just hid and the next thing, you know, we end up with like six friggin six things of like ginger or something, because it was like we can never find it when we were looking for it, and we're like another one. So yeah, we eventually got some smaller bins to put all the spices in so we could had a better idea of what's in there. I actually just put and pepper on the list, not that we are out, but because what are your two primary seasonings salt pepper, and I have two? Yeah, well I have two big things a salt in there. I have a couple of smaller things of pepper. But you just better have a lot of it because you're going to go through ad a bunch of it. If if you live out in the country like I do, and it is spring or fall, you know it is mice season. So one thing that we have got we've gone to is we've got some very large totes that we put that short term in mid term food stuffs in just to keep the mice up. It's just one extra layer because they will chew through cardboard, they'll chew through plastic, but they're less likely to chew through like a rubber made tote. And then you're whatever it is your chips, your pasta, whatever, less likely to go through both. I also find that it's advisable to I know this is kind of a back and forth because like you never want to have these just totes of stuff in a high trada. Yeah, but I'm going to tell you that if you put your storage food in a place you don't travel ever, mice, you're going to get into it sooner or later. Well, yeah, because the mice are more likely to be places where people aren't, where other animals aren't, because they're trying to stay safe and they're trying to find food. And if they find a place that is safe and full of food, more of them will come there and they will breed many, many more of themselves. Now, conversely, like I keep all my midterm and long term food storts in my garage, which you wouldn't think is a great place to keep all that stuff, except that because it's it's right there by the garage door, like the a house. We're going through there constantly. It's right there by my reloading bench. We're in an aut of it constantly, because anytime we take something from the main pantry, we replace it out of our mid term storage if we take anything out the freezer, we're replacing it at the chest freezer like. We're in and out of it all the time. And just the fact that we're stomping around to their means it tends to keep rodents at bay. And if we see answer roaches kind of past, we're gonna notice it very quickly because we're in and out of there. More likely to see it. We're in and out of that stock every I would say three days minimum, if not every day. But we do a lot of our storage in the factory. Packaging can rack comes in super handy for something like this. I find that with and this is not just midterm, but this is also deep storage. To me, the greatest enemy is not the packaging. The original packaging is usually not bad. The biggest enemy. And I'm guilty of this as anybody is not adhering to first in, first out, because I'm gonna tell you I have thrown away more shit than I would like to admit over the years, because by the time we realized, oh, that in the very back is like two years past the expiration date. Hey, it happens to everybody, it really does. If you don't make a concerted effort to follow some system, whatever your system happens to be, for rotating this stuff. It's very easy to knock that thing in the back. I mean, condensed milk not something people use all the time. It is required to make a decent pumpkin pie. Yes, frankly, it's required for a lot of things. I mean bear in mind that we talked about my baking. Supplies only shelf stable for like six months. Yeah, I mean it's got so much damp sugar in it, even if it's air height, it's gonna be a bacteria breeding ground. Oh. Absolutely, But it's a canned food. Most people say, you know, the common wisdom is canned food is good for years past their expiration date. A lot of them are. A lot of them are. A lot of them are condensed milk. Absolutely not, do not do, do not do. I actually recently threw away an entire can of peanuts because I like to store peanuts because I gets a good shelf stable. Dry not though. Yeah, but for for two out of three people in this house or hypoglycemic, right, I'm not saying it from a nutrition standpoint. High five items tend to go rancid slightly faster. Yeah, well, they this went rancid because we lost track of where it was and we disobeyed the first and first out rule. And by the time I opened them, yeah, I immediately slamed the wood shut through the trash. It is not a subtle scent. No, they are they when when the when the best buy dates hate ends. In a four, that's a bad thing. Was there a two in front of that? For phil? Yes? Good better than a one? Yeah or zero? When we moved my grandparents out of their house, they they So my grandparents moved into their first house at eighteen and they lived there until I was eighteen. Okay, long time you want to talk about some old can goods in the back of the pantry moved. Oh yeah, everybody, we found some stuff that was legitimately older than me out of expiration, like expired before my birth when we were moving them out of that house. Yeah, if you if you're if you're a if your canned goods are as old as the Carter administration, that could be a problem. It was a problem. Some of them got opened as science experiments. A lot of them got shot at later. It was fun smelled horrible. Oh, I'm sure all right now, deep storage. This is probably the one where most people are familiar with, because even most junior preparedness people are pretty familiar with the idea of a deep storage. Let's have an argument. Are you a milar bags or a food grade buckets? Person? Depends mmmm, because the ultimate yes, the ultimate answer, the answer is yes. I like both, and I like both for different things in different reasons. All right, First things first, dry grains and lentils. You can store them in a burr lap sack four years, assuming your climate allows for it and that it does not get too humid and you don't get pests in them. Yes, but but but you probably do have pests in your house that will get into those things guaranteed. So what what I like to do is I like to take stuff like process goods like flower. Because flower is a process good, I like to repackage that in a separate in bags sized to our use. So, for instance, a ten pound bag of flour will, I'll usually break that down into three smaller packages, seal that, and throw those packages in a food grade bucket. Because the packaging I'm using, I'm using like the food saber plastics for that. Mice can get through that fairly quickly. They can get punctured fairly easily. Flower makes a hell of a mess when it busts open all over your goddamn basement because you weren't paying attention to what you were doing with a step ladder. So I put those in a food grade bucket. Oh, Nick, you must tell the story now. Oh, I just wasn't paying attention with a step ladder, and I had flower sitting on the bar ready to be packaged and put in a food grade bucket. So how did the step ladder and the flower introduce themselves to each other? So I was attempting to move a step ladder across my basement around a dog and a bunch of other shit in the middle of the structure project, and I turned the corner and I did the cartoon, whapped the thing off the table with the step ladder. And next thing you know, it looked like Pablo Escobar was your roommate. And that's when I found out that I had taken the filter off of my shot back and not put it back on after we had some water come in the basement, and I made it even worse. It was a comedy of errors the whole way down. But at least this didn't happen by an open flame. No, no, it did not. It happened in a basement with a lot of led bulbs and a horrible mess. I got it all cleaned up before my wife got home from work. She would not have been amused. Now, actually she probably would have been amused, because it was fairly funny, even being in the midst of the messes. This would make an excellent comedy sketch like Laurel and Hardy with hapless husband. Oh. Absolutely, it definitely struck me as something out of the uh oh, shoot, what the hell is it? Three Stooges. It's very much struck me as something out of Three Stooges, except it was just you and the dog. Yeah, it was just being the dog a step ladder in a box of flower. But look, food grade buckets are great. Gamma sealed lids, the threaded lids with the R ring phenomenal for easier act sss. You don't remember because I probably didn't tell you because I was embarrassed. I got the mess cleaned up before my wife got home' that's the goal of most husband's messes. You see. This is why you should encourage your husband to be on a podcast with his idiot friend as you find out all the things you didn't know happened. That's true. But I do quite like food grade buckets, especially for stuff like rice beans, any bulk packaged items, because especially with the gamma seal lids, you can reseal them fairly reliably, especially if you keep extra O rings around or you lubricate your O rings properly because they are aware. I m hm, but I don't know, Phil, what do you think? So I'm definitely a food grade buckets person. I think for deep storage, like especially because you've alluded to the humidity down. Yeah, so it's not literally hell nine months of the year where you are. Yeah. Well, I mean it's not exactly a state secret to live in South Louisiana where the humidity ranges between like sixty percent and go to hell. You know, Stewart's familiar because he has basically the same climate where he lives in Southeast Texas. It's just slightly more steer focused. Yeah, but very similar. Like Stewart and I have had this conversation, Like he and I had the exact same problems with our reloading gear in our garage. Ah, because exact same climate, same humidity, same temperature swings. Remind me to introduce you to mold shield Why because it's what It's a dry rust inhibitor. Oh damn that I just use ballist all and everything. I mean, you could use ballistall and everything, but this is it's it's almost like a like a dry wax film. I have six cans of Ballistall on my bench. That's fair it. It works for everything. It is a wood conditioner, is a leather conditioner. It's a rust inhibitor, it's a colp, it's a break free And by the way, I even use the stuff on cars because every time I've had a bolt or a nut that just looked like it was just waiting for the perfect opportunity to strip and fuck my day up because it was rusty. I get the little one of the little needle bottles that I keep loading baast all, a couple of drops. Let that seep down into the threads, hit it with an impact, pops right loose. Nice. WD forty can go to hell ballast all all day long and twice on Sunday. Use it for everything. And WD forty is really it's not really a lubricant, and it's not really a penetrating oil. It's a water displacement oil. I would put ballast all toe to toe with croil. Having used coroil on a lot of things, I put ballast all toe to toe with it. It has never let me down. I will have to get back to you when I have more rusty shit to take apart. I will try both. I'm just gonna say, man, about ballast all like it is. It is ten out of ten the only thing I will use on firearms, but I keep finding ways to use on everything else because it just works so well. You know, I have to get a can of ballist All and take it to work with me because we have a customer that likes to let their molds get full of water and then sit on a shelf for six to nine months and then send them in for maintenance. There's screws and things get extraordinarily rusty. I'll have to test that because we sheer off a lot of bolt heads on their stuff. So baar in mind that you can get ballast all in like the little pressurized squirt cans, but they also sell it in an unpressurized like a bolt container. That's probably what I'll pick up. Yeah, I mean I have both because, like I said, like for my little needle vaup for my little needle bottles, and like you know, stuff like that. I keep the unpressurized bottles around. It's also cheaper per ounce obviously. Oh it almost always isn't a bulk back. But the aerosol cans are so fricking convenient just to be able to like blast blast, you know, put a squirt in a chamber, put a squirt heard in a put a squad on a bolt, Wipe stuff down and be done. Jeff, I don't know that I would try to cook eggs with it not rated for food contact though not no, no, no, no, and no, just don't know that I would try to go that realm anyway, where an interesting flavor interesting be one way to put it. Where were we we were talking about something before you I got side that. Oh yes, humidity, So I tend to it here really closely. Anytime we're talking about deep storage to the idea of I should be using oxygen absorbers and desk and packs. Where you are, I think dusk and packs are not optional. I mean where I am. It depends on the time of. Year, in the in the win, you could probably get away without desking packs, or or if you were going to bag this stuff up in the house where the air conditioner or the forced air heater is like drying the air out in the house, that would help a lot. But I just heard a bang, banging noise, and I think it might have been my teenager's door. Interesting, sounds like a fight for another day, you know, even in the winter down by you though, you're still looking at forty to sixty percent humidity, right and being I never said this is definitely a do as I do as I do, not as I say moment, because I'm telling you I used desking packs regardless. I'm just saying you could probably get away with it a certain times a year doing it indoors. You can totally get away with it in the winter around here, because there are times when the ambient humidity is like five to ten percent. It's it gets bad in the winter here. I think a desk can pack in. An auction absorber, though, is just like good cheap insurance. Just like I warmed people in the past. I buy my oxy absorbers off Amazon. Make sure you get them individually. Wrapped. It will cost more to get them individually wrapped, where you'll get like a bag and the bag is full of individual bags, and the individual bags all have one OX absorber in them. Pay the extra, get them like that because otherwise, once you rip the bag open, they're all exposed and you got to use mall or they go bad. Whereas you do have a limited window for those. Whereas if you get the bag and they're all individually wrapped, then I've got like I don't know, seven or eight or nine sitting in the garage that are fine anytime I want to pop one and use them, but you know I have Actually it's actually really easy to tell if they're working, oh, because it creates a vacuum effect. Yeah, I will encourage you that if you're going to use them, you really need to be specific about filling the bucket as much as possible, because I learned the hard way one time where I chucked one into a half hole bucket and I came back the next day and the whole bucket was half the size. It started bill crack buckets. Yeah, it just sucked the sides in like crazy. Yeah, you know, I do not use oxygen absorbers as much as a lot of people advocate for largely with my dry grains like rice, corn, lentils, stuff like that, because I don't keep in a very high volume of them. I'll keep a bucket or two which is more than enough for me and my wife's goals, and we go through them fast enough that I don't notice a quality or flavor difference or degradation of them in that time period. So in say, for rice, for instance, is the stuff that we go through the slowest, and probably within two years we've gone through the rice in a twenty pound bag or a forty pound bag, whatever it was we were buying, and right on its own in a bur laps ap will keep for five to ten years without being a problem as long as you keep it dry and past free. But and see conversely, I have I think three or four five gallon buckets that are food grade that are just rice and beans. That's fair literally like bags of rice, bag of beans in about equal amounts sure, and multiple buckets of that because I'm trying to feed three and I very much would like to have a food a shelf stable, non refrigerator required way to feed the family that will hold us out for several months. Yeah, I get that. I mean enemy rice and beans is gonna suck after about the third meal. It sucks until you're hungry enough. Yeah, I mean, it ain't there because it's supposed to be fun to eat. Put it that. I mean, now I'm cheating because like rice and beans has kept many a cage and add of starvation. Yes, and I could eat it literally four meals a day and be okay. But the whole point is it is there as a weapon of last resort to prevent starvation and. Bulk out meals in a time of economic concern. Yeah. I mean, look, you can take two chicken breasts. You can take two chicken breasts pack. You can take one chicken breast, a couple of beans, and a cup of rice and feed two people, probably more than one meal. Let me loop in a couple of you listener questions. So, first of all, Jeff Jags saying just realize, Peel saying descate not desk impact. Yes, is my accent that thick, it comes out, it comes and goes sometimes doesn't ever bother me. I can't I get varying opinions from people that listen to me. Talks and people say I have the thickest accent they've heard, and everybody accent well, but our people say I have no accent at all. Now I can't hear it. Because I can't hear it, I mean here sounds like I do. Occasionally you will slip into more of an accent. Occasionally, it's usually like one word at a time, when you're busy with a separate thought. Oh so it's one of those things where it's like it sneaks out when I'm not thinking about it. Absolutely does. Interesting, just like some of my midwesternisms. I'm sure that pop out now and then. Hmm. The more busy your brain is, the more often I notice it. And it's not often. That's hilarious. That's how it works for most people. Yeah, but I don't consciously like try to not have an accent, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, no, you don't, but but you try to make yourself understood subconsciously, I think is what it is. There might be that I was actually talking to my wife about this. My wife grew up in North Louisiana and. You're I'm sure a where most people are that like and raggle can definitely test this because he lives down here close to where I do. But like South Louisiana and North Louisiana sound very very different, and even to the point where like where I am on the north Shore and where Raggle is that it's more towards the center of the state. Like the number of dialects in Louisiana is. Quite impressive actually for being kind of a smaller state, very diverse ways of speaking. But my wife. Tried for years to like rid herself of He said, it's the Arkansas light. But it really does. I mean, it really does sound like if you know given in that like my wife grew up, I think, like ten miles from Arkansas, so like you do, hear more of that. It's like the accent up there sounds more like that. But for years she tried her best not to have that accent anymore. And I still tell the story because it's hilarious. The first time she brought me home to meet like I met her parents, but she brought me home to meet like the sisters and the friends and all those. As soon as we cross into Clayburn Parish, she got a call, picked up the phone and the voice coming out of her mouth was not the one I'd gotten accustomer. That's great, and I mean like I was just I was sitting in the passage get of our cars staring at her with my mouth hanging open because like her accent flipped as soon as we cross the parish line. It was the craziest experience of my life to this day. There are certain words she says where I hear Claver and Parish just lock in for a brief moment. I believe it. Yeah, Jim Rowse saying I've got a lot of diversity and storage. I'm thinking about doing mostly rice and beans. Been letting too much stuff expire. I will say one thing, and like I understand why rice and beans. I get it. It's an old shelf stable stand by. It's kept a lot, not just preppers. It's kept a lot of people from starving death over the years. Yep. I will offer two things if rice and beans are your primary for long term food stores, Like it is mine first and foremost, seasoning and lots and lots of seasoning, salt pepper, red pepper, cagny, and like diversity of seasoning, because as the only way you're going to make a rice and bean predominant diet palatable. And the other thing is supplement with some kind of canned protein as much as you can canned chicken, vienna, sausages, spam. I mean, I don't care, but you need to have, Like I would personally prefer some kind of canned meat or even potted meat or something beef jerkey, anything to add protein into that rice and bean diet. Yeah, to add an additional flavor profile too. You know. Rago brings up an interesting thing. He got. A humidor is a gift amilcam with a cedar wood box insert. Worked at first, but now it's going stale. I can tell you why. The woods drying out. Yep, your woods drying out. What you need is either a floral sponge to put in there or a brown sugar bear. The little terra cotta bears putting a brown sugar to keep that stuff from going like a brick card. Take a brown sugar bear. Throw it in your humidor. One thing though, is if you do that, make sure you wet it with distilled water. Yeah, you don't want to use tap water, not if you want, yeah, not if you can help it. Yeah, because it can start growing some nasties. If that's all you have, boil it first. You can also use now any decent cigar shop, or you can go online and buy it. They you can get you get off Amazon. But they make stuff that's called like cigar juice. And it's a mixative of is a. Glycol or glycogen and distilled water in a certain ratio. Yeah, it is, and it and it degat. It releases humidity at a correct at a correct ratio. There are also little It also helps prevent mold. Yeah, it does the the the glycogen does. There's also these little foam inserts in, like a little plastic or metal can with perforations on it. You soak it with water, you throw it in the bottom of your humid door, and you're good for a few months. Yeah. The wood always will dry out in a humid or just naturally, wood wants to dry out if it's dead, So you have to add some humidity back into the mix. Yeah. The other I cannot keep a humid or going appropriately in the winter in our climate. I can't. I've been not on a small human, not the way you're talking about. But I know how you could if you really can. I know I could, but I prefer pipes over cigars anymore, so I just keep my pipe tobacco in a mason jar at its appropriate humidity. Yeah. I was gonna say though for raggle like this doesn't really apply to a human or the size of an ammo. Can. You definitely need like a floral sponge and actually which you probably want on the on the initial stroke is to get some stilled water on like get damp in a sponge and actually damp in the white whole side yep. But the other thing of it is that you have to put cigars in that are already at the right humidity. Yause if they're alretty dry, you're in it's just gonna just suck all the water right out the wood immediately. It will. It's a bit of an upkeep thing and keep the humor going. But it absolutely is. But if you're in nick situation where you have like a forest air heater and a furnace and it's really dry, you probably need to look at active humidification, you do, or you need to look at a larger scale humidor Yeah, that says that's better sealed. Like a friend of mine that he keeps a lot of cigars in his house. He has a humidor built into a like an old refrigerator. Yeah, an old like college ridge. Very common and it works very well. It does. It works phenomenally while he built it out himself. Raggle. Do I leave it in the wrapper and take it out? It doesn't hurt anything to leave it in the wrapper. From a humidification perspective, it will discolor the wrappers over time. If that's to me. It's more of an aesthetic thing. When I was buying cigars, I was buying a specific kind of cigar, and I was buying a whole box of those cigars, so they were not wrapped. They were just in a wood box. But then I would take them out of that box and put them into my humid door. There are some cigars that are even even if you buy them a box at the time, they still come. Yeah, someone can do it, depends on what you're buying. Yeah, but the rappers are not air tight. No, No, they are absolutely not air tight. You can even get individual cigar humid doors, which are usually like a stainless steel or glass that seal so the humidity can't leave. That's okay for short term. One thing though, is if you go that route, understand the cigars come in different sizes, they do, and the individual tubes come in different sizes, And if you try to get the wrong size tube to fit the wrong size cigar, something bad is gonna happen. Yes, You'll either you'll either tear the wrapper or it'll be like a hot dog down a hallway and the cigar just beat itself to death rolling around in the tube. Yeah. Anyway, Jeff, I do not need a humidor room. I already have a renovation ongoing and it's not a humid door room, but it is going to get a built in gun safe. That's positive. So is there anything else to talk about in deep storage? Food grade buckets? My laard, Like, I prefer food grade buckets, but I think I know you're propriate. Yeah, definitely got to know your client and and know like what what you're going to be fighting against to try to maintain the food, especially because like what you're doing with deep storage is you're really trying to stretch out the viability period of the food. Like if you're talking about rice or beans that are five to seven year shelf stable and a burlp sack on the ground. You're ostensibly trying to stretch us out even further, or we wouldn't be talking about deep storage. So you got to take a little bit more care to insulate it against the environment. Yeah, definitely, Uh, you know it. I would say that your biggest your biggest obstacle is going to be your local environment. Like for in my instance, it's the freezing cold. I cannot store canned foods in a garage. You just don't here. They will freeze. Eventually, something's gonna happen. Your garage stoor is gonna spring like a little bit of a wind leak or something. You're gonna have a minus fifty degree day. That shit will freeze, and if it does, it's probably gonna pop the seal on the can from expansion. You probably not storing a lot of water in your vehicles. I bring two of these with me basically wherever I go all the time, but they then come in the building with me because if I leave that in my truck for two hours in the winter, it's gonna freeze. In the summer, it's gonna get hotter in hell. But yah know your climate plan appropriately for it. And mind your rotation. Mm hmm, let's chuck this last wee in here. Where does what to store figure in? Because like I think that there, I think that as much as we focused on packaging, you also have to be realistic about what you're trying to store and is it is it even feasible to make it fit this application? Yeah, and some of that's gonna be based on your personal medical needs, because yours and mine are completely different. Yeah, I mean, in the short term, quite frankly, in the short term, I'm really I'm laser focused on like high fat, high protein, because if I have carbs, if I have sugar, if I have grains, if I have bread, what your body runs best off? Yeah, but that that is going to cause a blood sugar crash. That is just not in my best interest. So in the short term, I am laser focused on maximizing protein and fat. In a longer term situation, I can afford to kind of color outside the lines because now we're we're looking at staving off starvation. And ostensibly I'm not talking about a short period of high activity or hiking or whatever. I'm talking about a longer period of moderate activity, something where I can I can allow my diet to flex in one direction or the other. But I think about things like it makes no sense to try to deep storage peanut butter. No, that's at most moderate term story. And then unless you're talking about dehydrated peanut butter, which you can get freezer eed peanut butter that sort. But that still goes back to what to store, Like if you're going to try to long term store peanut butter, you have to choose dehydrated headed option. If we're talking about something that is like midterm pack and midterm storage, we can we can midterms, say zero six months, all kinds of things. Most things in the packaging it came in will be fine for six months. But on the flip side of things, if we're talking about mid mid term storaging or midterm storing meat, now we have to have a histor has to be dehydrated, it has to be kept frozen. We have to have some consideration. So I guess my father or canned, but I guess my thought process is always like, yes, packaging matters so that you can insulate this thing so they're still viable at the end of the storage period, but you also have to mix into that a little bit of what to store, so you're not pushing a freaking rope trying to get something to do something that's not going to do. Or here's a bright idea mobile short term packaging. I am not going to pack like a big old vacuum bag full of ground beef. No, would it be viable in four five, six hours if it was just have to room temperture. Oh yeah, but it's a big pack of ground beef. I now have to have the I now have to have those things to prepare it. It'd be more to bypass interest to have mountain house or have some beef jerky, or have some can some something can that I can just pop open, eat right out of the can. Like there. There has to be a point at which what we store matches what we're trying to store for. Well, you know, I couldn't agree more. I mean, you got it. You need to make a plan that fits your needs and fits the realities of the food products. And there's plenty of resources out there for those. If you can't find them, I don't know what you're doing. You're probably not looking so Stewart. I'm not starting over. Yeah, it's it's on YouTube and Facebook and rumble. We have we're literally ever, I actually don't have work in the morning, tomorrow's my day off. I do, but I have, and I have to go fight customers, wait, fight them how it is just like medieval jazz, or like metaphorically fight that. Oh that's less fine. I have to tell them that what they want me to do. I have to inform college educated professionals that what they're asking me to do is one not going to solve their problem, two way more expensive than the actual solution, and three and entire waste of everyone's time in the nicest possible way. So you can't just tell them they're stupid. These are the engineers. If it was another machinist, I could just say you're tarted, stop it. But if they were machinists, they probably wouldn't be tarted. You cannot guarantee, so probably probably maybe, I said, don't know. I said probably. I'm sorry. Did AI for reloading purposes? Wait? Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what what now you. Have to have a road like, no, do not use AI for reloading data at all, ever, period, end of discussion. It makes shit up and you're going to lose a hand, Nick, would you like to tell the audience about your experience asking the murder machine on the Internet questions? So, out of curiosity, when the AI search engines started becoming a thing, I played around them because you know, technologies neat could be fun. I was able to convince Google's AI that four plus four is forty four by telling it it was wrong three times. So what I'm hearing is is that if you if you dog on chat GPT enough, it'll eventually tell you that thirty and a half grains of H one ten is as well in charge for three seven magnum. Yes, probably, Look AI, what everyone calls AI now is not intelligence. It is definitely artificial. But what it is is a large language model, and alls that's doing is saying, if you give me a sentence, the cat wears a hat, And someone then asks what does a cat wear? The most mathematically correct answer is a hat because the only the only thing it's been fed is the cat wears a hat, which means if you feed it the Internet, you're just going to get the Internet answer. So if you raise AI on TikTok, you get which they did, do you get just weaponized psychosis? Look Rock was trained on Twitter. Oh Christ or post elon Twitter doesn't matter. Curiod is still there. I'm pretty sure it was an Elon thing that drove most of Rock. But Google. Google was trained off of Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and YouTube. All I'm saying is every idiot that you guys complain about on the Internet is feeding AI. They're bullshit, and it is learning that bullshit. So I just have to point this out. Gil Rab said, I use it to write emails and lesson plans. It is good at completing sentences. But I will give you that, But I will counter with this. An organization that shall remain nameless decided to use AI that shall remain nameless to write a training manual for an application, and then a person who shall remain nameless was asked to review this training manual that they were all very proud of because AI had whooped this up together in like, you know, thirty five minutes or something. Reviewed for accuracy, and the human being found three dozen errors in eight minutes. Yep. Things that are not in the applection at all, like fields that were referencing the training matal that do not exist in the application. No idea where that came from things that absolutely do not work the way they were explained, just just nonsense. And I'm pretty sure all the time saved by AI writing that training guide was wiped out by the human beings having to rip it apart and redo it. Ah correct answer, Gillion, You read and edit what it gives you. It is a tool like any other, and the output of any tool needs to be verified. But this is where I think people get twisted with AI is that what people are being told AI is and AI can do does not match what IT really is capability wise and what it really what it really is like, AI is not. AI is a tool to improve the efficiency of teams or of individuals. It is not a replacement for that team or those individuals. Will it be with life property? If life property or liberty are depending on the answer, do not trust AI And in the case of reloading data that all the above are are in there. Yeah, I mean, I'm a little attached to my eyeballs. Look in my hands. You have a limited supply of both. Oh Stewart, Hush you can you can rewind this whole video. It's like an hour and eight minutes of us talking about packing food and two minutes of autistica talking about AI. Look, I blame Ragle for that diversion. That was not my fault this time. Raggle has taken us off topic a couple of times here. That's okay, it's allowed because you still haven't found a way for him to give you money. Okay, I'm gonna slip your wife in here. Sometimes when you need to send messages to parents, you need to sound professional. It is very good at translating things into corpse you speak, I will, I will say this much. It is also really good at taking technobabble and turning it into English. Yeah, that's that's fair. I do think translations is probably a place where AI will really shine in the future, doing a live translation of things because you can you can. You can definitely teach it to do translations well, but trusting it to source data. We've already seen lawyers get their credentials revoked because they were using AI to cite legal precedent, and that legal precedent that was cited has never existed. Really, Oh yeah, I will have to google that. Uh huh. There was a law firm in New York that got in some big, big trouble because the judge. So they cited a precedent of a case that the judge they were in front of ruled on in a completely irrelevant context, and the judge remembered it. Oh she cat it mid trial. That's impressive. Oh yeah, they never even reviewed the precedent. They just took what AI fed them and plugged it right into their court case. Wow. I gotta tell this one story again because it's hilarious, and then we really do need to wrap this. Do you remember me telling you about the someone used an AI prompt and said, show make me an image of a woman camping? Do you remember me telling you the story? Probably no, I don't. I mean, I'm sure it was a picture of a young lady sitting on like a wooden stump in front of a campfire. Follow me inside of her tent. Oh that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. The audio listeners will never appreciate the look Nick just had on his face when the when when the square peg finally went to fell into the square Sometimes your ted gets lit on fire. Yeah, no, that's that's camping. Yep. It was at that moment I looked and I was like, Okay, one of two things is happening here. Either Skynett is sandbagging the ship out of us, like all I gotta do is cook up some really crazy stuff right now and the flash bags will never catch on that I'm about to take over their world, or we were lied to by Hollywood and Terminator is never going to happen. Oh, it can be both. It can and is be both. It could be both. But I'll tell you what if. If Skynet's sandbagging is that hard, I'm impressed. They deserve to own the world. The trouble. The trouble is is going to be that the AI that you and I get access to, that any of us normal people get access to it. It's not the good stuff, It's really not. And even the good stuff it's pretty dog shit. I mean, it's all going to fail to fulfill its promises and crash the world economy eventually. All I'm saying is the AI companies have to increase their revenue twenty eight times in the next like three to five years, or they can't pay their debts. Namely, one industry that has increased their profits or can increase their total revenue stream twenty eight times. Government. I can't think of any one of them. Government not in three to five years. In three to five years, communist governments, I don't think so. They have to increase their total revenue stream by twenty eight x in three to five years. Well yeah, when you massively devalue your currency in turn, but that's not increasing your revenue makes the numbers go up. It makes the numbers go up, but it doesn't. It didn't actually service the debt either, but it made the revenue go up, right, But so did the debt. M H. That's fixed in place. And and communist governments are not are not are not an industry, both of you. They're not. They're not an industry. They're a parasite upon an industry. Oh, I think governments are their own type of industry. I'm not saying it's a good industry. Argued, Does it create pain? Now we've already got that misfortune. They've got to create something else. We've got that too. Uh. Slavery, No, they didn't. Government didn't create slavery. Slavery was a private institution first, yes, but government made people enslave themselves and not realize it. Oh Rago says warfare. Do chimpanzees have government? Because chimpanzees have warfare. Uh, I would argue that any large enough communal animal does develop some sort of social hierarchy, which is a primitive form of government. That's fair. Anyway, we're not drunk enough to have that conversation, and we need to end this because you have work in the morning and I have other kinds of work in the morning. But that would be a fun episode for next week. Maybe, Yeah, we bring some booze, we could, and we talk about how it is impossible for human beings. To not create government. Yeah, we can talk about that. That'd be fun because I have I have really pissed off a lot of friends of mine that are like hardcore anarchists and told them that anarchy is impossible. It really is. The second you have two people, you have one person in charge of a single task, you no longer have anarchy. Yeah, I mean I've tried to explain to them like it's it's literally it's antithetical human behavior and complex animal behavior. Yeah, which human beings are complex animals. Yeah, it's even emphatical to plant behavior. Oh, we're gonna piss everybody off with that one. Probably, All right, let's pump this one out the door. 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