Matter of Facts: The Comms Syndicate

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[00:00:20] Alright, welcome to the livestream. And let's see, give me one second, let me turn my audio up. Hopefully I'm not over-modulating and blowing you guys out.

[00:00:31] But we've got Drew from The Terminal Element and Jared from 2Alpha Solutions. And we've also got two special guests.

[00:00:38] We've got Taylor from Rant Strategies and Phil from the Matter of Facts Podcast.

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[00:01:06] So on this episode, we're gonna discuss a few things. One of them will be what qualifies as an emergency.

[00:01:11] What also qualifies as emergency communications.

[00:01:15] And then we'll jump into some current events.

[00:01:17] The aftermath of the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson.

[00:01:21] And is that a sign of things to come?

[00:01:24] Also, a topic that everyone seems to be really interested in would be the recent drone sightings.

[00:01:31] And, you know, there's some questions and a lot of theories out there.

[00:01:35] Are they being flown by the US government?

[00:01:38] Or are they being flown by an foreign adversary aliens?

[00:01:41] Or is it just one big hoax?

[00:01:43] So that's basically what we've got planned for tonight.

[00:01:47] But before we jump into our topics, I wanted to get started with introducing our two guests.

[00:01:57] Taylor, I'm gonna start with you, but you've got a YouTube channel called Rant Strategies.

[00:02:03] Can you give us a summary of what Rant Strategies is?

[00:02:06] And what kind of content you have on your channel?

[00:02:10] Sure.

[00:02:10] So, well, Rant Strategies is now completely embedded with medicine in bad places.

[00:02:16] And we are a tactical medical and rescue training company.

[00:02:23] And basically what we have done is all of your, anybody familiar with EMS stuff,

[00:02:27] your National Agency of Emergency Medical Technicians, we do all the NAMT classes.

[00:02:32] So your TCCC, your TECC, your bleeding control, all that stuff is primarily handled through medicine in bad places.

[00:02:42] Rant Strategies is pretty much the like specialty course provider for medicine in bad places.

[00:02:50] And we have our canine medical operator course, which is basically everything you can do that a paramedic can do to a human.

[00:02:58] We teach you how to do to a dog.

[00:03:00] I have a professional connection with canines.

[00:03:04] So that's one of my classes.

[00:03:06] Another one we have is a live fire TCC type class.

[00:03:10] And then we also have a woodland tactics, which neither have a tactics based emphasis on it or a medical based emphasis on it.

[00:03:20] And then a rope rescue technician course.

[00:03:27] Which course is the most popular?

[00:03:29] The canine one for sure.

[00:03:31] We have done the canine one in multiple states up and down the East Coast, Indiana, Ohio, New Jersey, New York.

[00:03:41] We actually did the Pentagon police, the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island police department, the United States Park police.

[00:03:51] And then everything from Philadelphia SWAT, Philadelphia canine, New Jersey state police.

[00:03:55] It's just everywhere in between.

[00:03:58] That is the most sought after one.

[00:04:00] And everybody from a handler to a paramedic that comes to that course is like, this is one of the best canine medical courses I've ever taken.

[00:04:12] And forgive me if I missed it.

[00:04:13] So your your background is kind of a dual role law enforcement and paramedic.

[00:04:17] Is that right?

[00:04:19] Yes.

[00:04:19] So current law enforcement state level, I do some specialty, you know, in one of our special units there.

[00:04:27] Prior to that was a New York City firefighter.

[00:04:30] I worked in Manhattan and everybody knows being a firefighter is the greatest job in the world.

[00:04:34] I only worked eight days a month when I wasn't there.

[00:04:37] I worked part time in Jersey City as a paramedic.

[00:04:39] Before that, I was I was actually put the first paramedic engine in service for Washington, D.C.

[00:04:47] And then I'm I am I still current kind of contracting role for the government?

[00:04:53] I do wildland firefighting rope rescue paramedic, which people commonly refer to as REMS, usually in the month of August and September every year.

[00:05:02] So for people that are looking for rent strategies website, it's rent strategies dot com.

[00:05:10] And then it looks like you've also got an Instagram.

[00:05:14] And let's see, I believe that is.

[00:05:18] Rant underscore strategies.

[00:05:21] So that's a hold of you on Instagram.

[00:05:23] And then as far as the YouTube channel goes, so that's kind of I I'm pretty much responsible for the YouTube channel.

[00:05:29] Um, people will often ask us once they get talking to me and see the content, like, do we do a communications course?

[00:05:36] And I don't. That is just from the start of my being.

[00:05:41] I've always had an interest in communications.

[00:05:44] That is such a vital part of every single thing of public safety that I've ever been involved in.

[00:05:49] And I kind of realized early on how critical it is in all situations.

[00:05:54] So everything you see on the YouTube channel, as far as communications type videos goes, is just my passion and kind of nerding out on stuff.

[00:06:05] Well, you're going to get a chance to nerd out in a little bit because we're certainly going to dig into emergency communications and what that all means.

[00:06:15] We'll jump over to you, Phil, next.

[00:06:17] And so Phil runs the Matter of Facts podcast.

[00:06:21] And he was kind enough to invite Jared, Drew and myself on an episode.

[00:06:25] And we had a lot of fun with with him, Nick and Andrew.

[00:06:28] And Andrew, Phil, do you mind giving us an overview of your channel and your podcast and what you do?

[00:06:36] Yeah, man. I mean, the short version is Matter of Facts podcast was born eight years ago out of this.

[00:06:42] This very obvious gap I saw in like my generation and for the purposes of the show.

[00:06:47] I mean, I'm 42 years old. I am like one of the oldest millennials there will be.

[00:06:51] But I saw this huge gap between my generation's knowledge of how to navigate emergency situations and what I felt was required and appropriate for the average person.

[00:07:02] So eight years ago, I was sitting at home from, you know, home from home from a day of work.

[00:07:07] And I was watching a lot of my neighbors dealing with a lot of flooding in southeast Louisiana.

[00:07:11] And these people had no earthly idea not to drive into flooded areas, not to wear close toed shoes, not to have food and water in their vehicle like they were completely unprepared for the situation that they found themselves in.

[00:07:23] And for whatever reason, I looked at that situation and said, you know, there are things I learned as a child from my parents that they taught me to be ready for emergency situations.

[00:07:33] And we never called it prepping back then. We never call it was never anything weird.

[00:07:37] It was you live on the Gulf Coast. You're going to eat a hurricane every two or three years.

[00:07:42] You might as well be ready for it so you're not completely hung out to drive by it.

[00:07:45] So I started this podcast by myself and then later on took on Andrew and Nick as co-hosts with the intention of trying to normalize the preparedness community to the average person.

[00:07:56] To try to show people that, you know, the things that they thought they knew about the crazy preppers and the tinfoil hat wearing people weren't accurate.

[00:08:05] And show people that there was a lot of things that this community knew and wanted to teach other people that were very, very relevant to people's everyday lives.

[00:08:14] So we've spent eight years trying to trying to make practical preparedness an everyday part of more people's lives just to get people thinking about these things and get them to wake up to the idea that like, you know, preparedness is not a thing you do.

[00:08:30] Preparedness is not this weird fringe activity. Preparedness really should be just everyday part of your life.

[00:08:36] It's it's as simple as having air in your spare tire and a little bit of extra money in your savings account carrying cash.

[00:08:42] And it gets as complicated as you want it to get.

[00:08:50] And your website is MOF podcast dot com for those who want to check it out.

[00:08:56] And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the disaster coffee, which I guess you can purchase from the matter of facts podcast website.

[00:09:06] It's like you're you've got dark humor right now as your main product.

[00:09:12] Yeah. So that that link actually takes you to disaster coffee dot com, which, you know, in the name of full disclosure, I'm a part owner in that company now.

[00:09:18] But disaster coffee is co-owned by myself, Andrew and James Walton.

[00:09:25] And it's a brand that we've built around this idea of like, you know, mixing our intense enjoyment.

[00:09:32] And I would say a sociopathic need for coffee and caffeine with the kind of the tenants and the ideas of preparedness.

[00:09:39] So it is a premium coffee.

[00:09:42] It is small batch roasted to order.

[00:09:44] When you order it from us, we immediately notify our roaster and the order comes gets roasted the next day and sent out to you as fast as possible.

[00:09:51] This is not off the shelf store bought folders in a red can that's been sitting around for months on end.

[00:09:57] It is the freshest cup of coffee we can possibly provide to you all.

[00:10:00] And the product that we sell a fair bit of that I tend to recommend a lot is so-called bunker beans, which is green unroasted coffee beans.

[00:10:09] So for the person that wants to store coffee like in your long term preps, already roasted coffee and ground coffee has a certain shelf life to it.

[00:10:18] Whereas green unroasted coffee beans is a dried grain.

[00:10:21] So it is ostensibly 20 to 25 year shelf stable as long as you keep it dry and out of the elements.

[00:10:27] Personally, like I think I've got like 25 pounds of a Sim back there on the shelf.

[00:10:31] I roast all my own coffee from scratch.

[00:10:36] And I believe you've got, forgive me, I forget.

[00:10:38] I've forgotten the name.

[00:10:39] Cypress.

[00:10:40] That's another initiative that you have going for trying to get people, I guess, that are not necessarily technologically savvy to, I guess, to get them into prepping.

[00:10:50] Is that right?

[00:10:51] Yeah.

[00:10:51] So Cypress Survivalist is a nonprofit that my wife and I started just a couple of months ago.

[00:10:56] And we're still in the process of standing it up and getting that first initial event off the ground, which we're looking at like March 8th in southeast Louisiana.

[00:11:03] But Cypress Survivalist is just kind of an outgrowth of the podcast.

[00:11:07] It's this realization that we have this huge community that's all around us that just judging by how they reacted to Hurricane Ida, this is a group that is not prepared for massive emergencies.

[00:11:19] They are not prepared for horrible hurricanes.

[00:11:22] This is a group that desperately needs to kind of like apply some of the tenets of preparedness to their own personal lives so they can take better care of their families in the event of an emergency.

[00:11:31] And I just, I came to the realization that we're not going to reach all these people with me and a couple of my friends on the internet.

[00:11:38] It's just not going to happen.

[00:11:39] We need to start transitioning to some in-person events just to reach a different audience and to try to build a model here that, like, if I can build a framework and a curriculum and everything that works here, then I think it's something we could potentially pass off to other people so that they could run a similar event using a similar curriculum in their environment, in their local area.

[00:12:03] It's an attempt to take all this off of the miracles of the internet and put it in person so you can actually talk to people face-to-face who are going to be your neighbors and they're going to be the people you have to depend on in an emergency.

[00:12:18] Excellent.

[00:12:20] Well, let's jump into our first topic, I guess, with that.

[00:12:24] And so first one is what qualifies as an emergency.

[00:12:26] I think we've got some pretty good subject matter experts here for that.

[00:12:30] But one of the things that we were talking about offline is not everyone has the same definition of what an emergency is.

[00:12:43] And an event that's considered SHTF for one person may not have a cancer definition for another.

[00:12:50] So we can start with, you know, a very basic question is what do you think qualifies as an emergency?

[00:12:56] And I guess, Taylor, maybe we'll start with you and then we'll go around the room.

[00:13:03] Sure.

[00:13:03] So I think one of the, you know, most basic ways that I deal with on a routine level is some of my responsibilities is as a search manager for missing people.

[00:13:14] Well, when you go down your missing person search existency criteria, it's pretty amazing to the fact of if a person is not where they're supposed to be, if they're essentially missing, we start asking questions.

[00:13:30] Well, how old are they?

[00:13:31] Because if they're really, really young or they're really, really old, that changes their criteria.

[00:13:36] If they are familiar with the area or they're not familiar with the terrain, that changes the criteria.

[00:13:41] If they have appropriate clothing for what the weather is at that time, that changes the criteria.

[00:13:47] So you can go down this list and get your numbers to see, and it almost helps you figure out, is this an emergency as far as a missing person is concerned or is it not?

[00:13:57] And I think if you apply that to emergencies in general, it comes down to the fact of, is this person capable of dealing with this situation or are they not?

[00:14:09] You know, again, most of us in this room here, probably everybody has a public safety background.

[00:14:16] If you're in a minor car accident, probably not a big deal.

[00:14:21] We know how to handle that.

[00:14:22] We'll fall off the side of the road.

[00:14:23] We call 911.

[00:14:23] We know that appropriate people are going to come.

[00:14:25] No big deal.

[00:14:26] But we've all dealt with those people who are in a very, very minor car accident, and it's damn near the end of the world for them.

[00:14:34] That is a true emergency for them.

[00:14:36] So I think it's hard to quantify without putting who the emergency is affecting into the equation.

[00:14:52] Fair enough.

[00:14:53] Phil, what are your thoughts?

[00:14:56] So I'm going to throw a pretty wide net here, and I'm going to assert that I think an emergency is any departure from the norm that has a notable impact on either a person's life or quality of life.

[00:15:13] So, like, let's look at how big of this net I'm trying to toss here.

[00:15:18] Like, obviously, if you have a cat five hurricane that drops trees on your house, like what we dealt with after Hurricane Ida, in the middle of the event, when the trees were falling, we could call that emergency.

[00:15:30] There was a possibility a tree would have come through the house, destroyed our shelter.

[00:15:34] We would have had big problems to deal with.

[00:15:35] The day after the hurricane, you know, we had food and water fall back on.

[00:15:41] We had alternate ways of keeping cool.

[00:15:43] We had alternate ways of powering things.

[00:15:46] We had alternate ways of maintaining ourselves.

[00:15:48] So we weren't in an emergency that was life or death, but our quality of life had obviously been impacted.

[00:15:54] We had some damage to the home that had to be remedied very quickly.

[00:15:57] Thankfully, we had to shift to using a lot of alternate methods of sustaining our basic needs.

[00:16:03] We had zero water pressure, so we had to fall back on an emergency water supply that thankfully I had the thought process to put together before the hurricane.

[00:16:10] Now, if I hadn't have had the extra food, the extra water, the generator, the jackery, the, you know, all those things, then that would have been, that would have threatened our life much more quickly.

[00:16:23] But as it stands, I'm going to toss a wide net and say that if it impacts your quality of life, you could probably call it an emergency.

[00:16:29] In the event of the car wreck that Taylor was referencing, you know, even if you can handle that, you can call EMS, there's no media emergencies, you can call a wrecker, you can get a towed, your vehicle's been messed up, your plans have been screwed up, you might have some injuries that have to be dealt with, you might just have to go home, take a day off of work.

[00:16:46] That could cost you money, that could cost you time, it could cost you leave if you're in that position.

[00:16:51] So I say if it compromises your quality of life, you can call it an emergency.

[00:16:55] It may not be as severe of an emergency as if it compromises or threatens your life itself.

[00:16:59] But I feel like to truly, like, encompass what is an emergency, we got to toss a nice wide net here so that way we can catch those things that may not threaten your life, but they still screw your day up real bad.

[00:17:16] I guess we'll go to Jared and then Drew next.

[00:17:20] All right.

[00:17:23] You know, over the past 20, 30 years, the media especially has dramatized any kind of weather event, whether it's rain or snow.

[00:17:35] Back in the 90s, it snowed all the time and they didn't make a big deal out of it.

[00:17:42] And now, anytime they talk about the chance of flurries, it's this huge drama thing that's just drawn out for days prior and afterwards.

[00:17:53] They send these reporters out to these locations and try to show you how bad it is.

[00:18:00] I'm like, well, that's just a normal everyday thing.

[00:18:01] So, I think a true emergency is whenever your life or somebody's life is in jeopardy of being hurt or maimed or whatever.

[00:18:18] I want to disagree with Phil just a little bit just because trees fall in your backyard and they might hit your house.

[00:18:26] That might be a bit of an emergency.

[00:18:30] It's really not a true emergency, so to speak, because if the event happens, nothing's happened to you.

[00:18:40] Now, the only thing that you have to worry about is making sure the power to the house is off or that you do have power.

[00:18:50] And you might have a hole in your roof that you might have to fix, but it's not really a true emergency.

[00:18:56] It's a priority, but it's not an emergency.

[00:18:59] So, I think the definition of emergency has really – it's a very perceptive thing to each individual.

[00:19:08] But I think the definition of an emergency has changed over the years, too.

[00:19:12] It's very dramatized anymore.

[00:19:18] Fair enough.

[00:19:19] And, Drew, I've saved you for last because you are a passionate guy.

[00:19:23] So, fire away, sir.

[00:19:25] No passion.

[00:19:26] Just all business.

[00:19:28] All facts.

[00:19:29] Anyway, I was actually really surprised to learn when I looked up the actual definition of an emergency.

[00:19:33] It did not include things like life, limb, or property.

[00:19:36] But in my mind, that is what is required for something to be an actual emergency.

[00:19:41] And I guess I think, too, you know, I'm sure when every single one of us was a child, we had some sort of horrifying – you know, we saw a bug or something, and it was, you know, the end of the world.

[00:19:51] And I'm sure all of our mothers said something to the effect of, well, are you bleeding?

[00:19:56] Well, no.

[00:19:57] So, it's not really that bad.

[00:19:59] And so, while I recognize that the official definition in the dictionary doesn't include some sort of life threat, I don't personally consider something to be a true emergency unless life, limb, or property is on the line.

[00:20:17] So, maybe I'm wrong.

[00:20:18] I don't know.

[00:20:19] But for my purposes, that would be what constitutes an emergency requiring an urgent response and an emergency type of communication method.

[00:20:33] Taylor hit it.

[00:20:34] Taylor shoot.

[00:20:35] Well, and I think one of the things there is what this boils down to is the fact that verbiage matters.

[00:20:42] And I look back to early on, you know, doing vehicle rescue work.

[00:20:47] I remember there was a guy who made a very, very hard point to drive from the fact of not everybody stuck in their vehicle is entrapped.

[00:20:56] They may be inconvenienced and need a door pop, but they're not necessarily entrapped, even though we usually dispatch an accident like that as entrapped.

[00:21:07] To the same point of that, active shooter is now the hot topic.

[00:21:11] And if you monitor police radio, you will hear, you know, almost, you know, what areas you're monitoring.

[00:21:19] It could be on a weekly basis, an active shooter situation.

[00:21:23] And I always, when I'm doing courses on active shooter work, I like to make the point of the times like, guys, you know, just because, you know, the person who called in or heard shots being fired or used the officer on the ground, hear shots fired.

[00:21:36] That's not necessarily an active shooter.

[00:21:38] It could just be the drive-by shooting, the gang-related shooting, the gang shooting that occurs in a school.

[00:21:45] We have to delineate to the fact of things like active shooters are, there's a large number of victims and or a large number of potential victims.

[00:21:54] And the event is still ongoing.

[00:21:56] So just trying to put home that exactly to this topic was an emergency.

[00:22:01] Our definitions of these words matter.

[00:22:06] I think that's a great point.

[00:22:08] If I may.

[00:22:08] That's a great point about the extrication.

[00:22:10] I used to work in a state that had a trauma system where if somebody required 20 minutes of extrication time, it was a high-priority trauma system entry.

[00:22:19] And, you know, not everybody who's just stuck in the car who requires 20 minutes to get them cut out is, you know, going to die imminently.

[00:22:26] So there's so many factors that go into that.

[00:22:28] And the bean counters don't like it when you exist in that gray area.

[00:22:33] But if there's no mechanism of injury.

[00:22:37] Right.

[00:22:37] I mean, I've had people, you know, their car rolls and they're just kind of sitting on the roof of the car and they're fine, but they just need help out.

[00:22:44] And sometimes that takes time.

[00:22:46] And not all the time do we need to race to get that person out.

[00:22:49] Maybe that creates even a more dangerous situation than what we're dealing with now.

[00:22:53] So maybe taking our time and going 20 minutes or longer on that extrication is just totally appropriate and indicated.

[00:23:00] But, yeah, you try to explain that to the bean counters at the state who evaluate these things and it gets a little funny sometimes.

[00:23:06] You know, going back to the perception thing, too.

[00:23:08] I'm sorry, Phil.

[00:23:09] Go ahead.

[00:23:10] Well, I was going to say somebody on somebody that's following my feed actually is a they're saying they said something that kind of resonated with me.

[00:23:18] They said that my life is threatened every day, but I don't think I'm in an emergency situation.

[00:23:21] I know that gentleman.

[00:23:22] He works as a prison guard.

[00:23:24] So fair point.

[00:23:25] But what I what I was going to ask was like, I'm going to make an assumption.

[00:23:29] But how many of y'all by show of hands have families, wives, kids?

[00:23:34] I can't be the only one.

[00:23:36] So the reason I say I bring that up is because does does what you consider to be an emergency change, whether it's affecting you or your loved ones?

[00:23:44] Because I know that like for me, I'm a military veteran.

[00:23:48] I will sleep on the ground under the stars.

[00:23:51] I will skip meals.

[00:23:53] I will tolerate some pretty horrendous conditions that I would not tolerate for my wife or daughter for a moment.

[00:23:59] It's not palatable to me.

[00:24:00] Whether or not it's going to kill them is really irrelevant.

[00:24:03] That's why I said earlier, if it impacts quality of life, if my kid is hungry and if I'm hungry, I don't count that as an emergency because I know that I can miss a meal or two.

[00:24:13] But my kid being hungry, missing one meal is not acceptable to me.

[00:24:17] So I feel like part of this also, like when we're talking about what is an emergency, it kind of depends on who it's impacting.

[00:24:24] If it's impacting someone that we place their needs or their wants higher up the scale than ours, we're going to naturally kind of elevate whatever is concerning them higher up than we normally would have.

[00:24:33] It only impacted us.

[00:24:34] I can say that, you know, to the point Taylor was making earlier about talking about vehicle accidents.

[00:24:40] If my child is hurt, I can be bleeding like a sif and I'm pretty much just going to like suck it up, apply pressure and very, very calm and collected like, okay, I'm going to deal with this.

[00:24:50] But if my kid is hurt, it's an emergency immediately.

[00:24:54] She's my daughter.

[00:24:54] So I think like that's also worth bringing up in this conversation is like if depending on who that who is facing that peril, we're going to naturally want to elevate things further up the scale very quickly sometimes.

[00:25:08] That's very close to what I was going to say, Phil.

[00:25:10] So like if my dog runs off, I mean, to me, that's the end of the world.

[00:25:13] That's an emergency to me.

[00:25:15] But that's family.

[00:25:17] Exactly.

[00:25:17] You know, so I'm going to spend however long it takes to go find my dog.

[00:25:21] If he runs out in the woods, I'm going to go find him.

[00:25:23] You know, not that he's ever done that or if he gets hurt, you know, that to me is an emergency on in my perception in my world.

[00:25:33] Well, this is what we were kind of getting into offline was the fact of, you know, you losing power at your house.

[00:25:40] It may not be a big deal.

[00:25:41] You're prepared or you have blankets, whatever.

[00:25:45] But your next door neighbor who also lost power, who has a trach, who's on a home vent, that's quite honestly, you know, maybe they have a little bit of battery backup.

[00:25:56] But they are heading towards a dire emergency dealing with the exact same set of situations that you are.

[00:26:03] So, again, it's kind of who it is affecting.

[00:26:06] I can say after Hurricane Katrina, it was brought to my attention by one of my fellow soldiers that they knew someone in the local area that was on a home dialysis setup.

[00:26:15] Now, when power's been out for two weeks and the only thing keeping your family member alive is that little Honda generator running to the home dialysis, fuel is not a it'd be nice to have air conditioning.

[00:26:28] It is a life or death situation.

[00:26:31] After Hurricane Ida, when the power was out, me getting my generator running was really like it'd be really nice not to have all the food in my fridge spoil.

[00:26:38] But if it does, I've got six months of dried goods stored up.

[00:26:40] Who cares?

[00:26:41] You know, it's it's degrees of an emergency.

[00:26:43] And that's why I always go back to like to try to define this in is I hate saying in as loose a way as possible, but so that it can apply in as many directions as it has to.

[00:26:53] Like if it impacts a person's quality of life, even if they'll survive it, it sucks bad enough.

[00:26:59] We probably shouldn't allow it to impact their quality of life.

[00:27:01] And if it threatens their life, that is dependent upon the emergency and the person.

[00:27:05] I mean, whether it's home dialysis or even around here, we have this situation every time we get a power adage in the summer where at least one or two very old people pass away, unfortunately, because they can't tolerate the heat in the middle of August in southeast Louisiana, as well as some people that are younger can.

[00:27:22] What what becomes an emergency is what has happened and has that applied to you directly?

[00:27:30] I guess I'm confused then.

[00:27:32] So we're talking about life or limb situations here.

[00:27:35] You can't you're you're dependent on that oxygen concentrator or home dialysis.

[00:27:40] These are immutably dangerous situations for for those specifically fragile people.

[00:27:48] But we seem to be drawing the demarcation between those situations and that quality of life situation where your your ice cream melts in the freezer.

[00:27:56] I I I got to say, I personally don't think that's an emergency if somebody's some of these ice cream melts, even if they really, really wanted that ice cream.

[00:28:04] Maybe that's that's something that they deal with urgently.

[00:28:08] But you wouldn't call 9-1-1 for that.

[00:28:10] I would expect consequences of somebody called 9-1-1.

[00:28:14] People have called 9-1-1 over a lot less.

[00:28:17] Oh, yeah.

[00:28:18] Some someone called the local radio station after the last bad hurricane we had down here after Hurricane Ida.

[00:28:24] Forty eight hours after the hurricane, they were called in local radio station to ask when the grocery stores were going to open because they had no food in their fridge.

[00:28:31] Okay.

[00:28:32] I mean, so that precipitated something that could be potentially dangerous for that person.

[00:28:38] Definitely just through their their lack of planning.

[00:28:40] But I don't I don't think the I don't think the specific act of the power going out is the emergency, but it could precipitate situations that are urgent for people.

[00:28:48] So and understand when I say quality of life, I'm not talking about I'm not talking about something that like upsets you or inconveniences you.

[00:28:57] I'm talking about something that is maybe not immediately life threatening, but it's going to harm your ability to care for yourself.

[00:29:02] It's like if everybody knows most people can make it a couple of weeks without food.

[00:29:07] Right.

[00:29:07] Like that's pretty reasonably accepted.

[00:29:09] But for, you know, Phil here who has hypoglycemia, a couple of days without food is going to have a very rapid it's not going to kill me, but it's going to very rapidly impact my ability to do labor and to take care of my family.

[00:29:23] So it's one of those things where it's like, is it threatening my life?

[00:29:26] Not immediately.

[00:29:27] Is it going to is it going to make other things more difficult for me is going to make certain things impossible for me?

[00:29:33] That's why I use that umbrella term like quality of life.

[00:29:35] It's not a it inconveniences me because I don't have my ice cream.

[00:29:39] It is these things will not kill me immediately, but they are going to impact my ability to care for myself and others.

[00:29:48] Happens every summer and winter around.

[00:29:50] I guess this probably qualifies.

[00:29:51] Yeah.

[00:29:53] Is that is that matter?

[00:29:53] Matter of fact, Nick.

[00:29:55] Yeah.

[00:29:58] That's my co-host, Nick, who lives in Illinois.

[00:30:00] And that's one of those things.

[00:30:01] You know, it's also a lot of this dictates as to how you live your daily lives.

[00:30:06] And a lot of a lot of that is influenced by where you live.

[00:30:10] When I was in New York in Manhattan, when we had the blackouts hit New York.

[00:30:15] You know, that's one of those things people don't understand.

[00:30:18] You know, you have residential buildings that are 80 stories tall.

[00:30:21] Well, when the power goes out and the elevator shut off.

[00:30:24] Now you have people that literally can't get to their house anymore because they can't walk up 80 flights of stairs.

[00:30:31] Or they are in the elevators and now the doors don't open so they can't get out.

[00:30:35] Not to mention the emergency response that takes place from that.

[00:30:38] Where literally every single elevator in Manhattan had to be located where it was.

[00:30:46] The doors opened.

[00:30:48] Made sure it was clear to let these people out.

[00:30:49] So, you know, it's kind of one of those things we were talking before too as well as, you know, how.

[00:30:56] Does the mission dictate your gear?

[00:30:58] Does the gear dictate your mission?

[00:30:59] And, you know, my stance on that was no mission dictates all.

[00:31:04] And then you have to act accordingly to that.

[00:31:06] And I think even just trying to define this term of urgency relates directly into that to show.

[00:31:10] It depends what the emergency is and how it's affecting you for how you are going to or what you are going to need to deal with that.

[00:31:18] That's why we pre-plan so many things and have operating procedures.

[00:31:24] Yep.

[00:31:25] I would go so far as to say that mission dictates gear.

[00:31:30] Gear dictates response.

[00:31:32] Because I know from my time in the military, like there were plenty of times, it would have been really cool to have this thing for this one specific situation we found ourselves in.

[00:31:39] But without that thing, we figured out the next best thing.

[00:31:42] Lots of redneck engineering, if I'm being perfectly honest.

[00:31:44] Just anybody that's ever, look, anybody that's ever been in the military or a first spotter knows that moment in time where you have like duct tape, super glue, and shoelaces and you just make stuff work.

[00:31:53] Right, with what you have and not what you want.

[00:31:56] Exactly.

[00:31:57] So, I mean, I would definitely say that like if you have a mission, you should definitely make the gear meet the mission.

[00:32:02] There's no justification for charging in a battle with shoelaces and duct tape when you could have the thing you really should have for that mission.

[00:32:11] But we also know, you know, George Patton was a genius.

[00:32:14] I think I can attribute that quote to him that said that no plan survives first contact.

[00:32:20] So once the emergency starts, you're no longer in control of the situation and you might have to figure stuff out and make do.

[00:32:28] But I get frustrated when people like, they want to luck their way through an emergency and it's like, no, no, no.

[00:32:34] There were steps we could have taken prior to this emergency to make this suck less than it is going to already.

[00:32:42] Yeah, and you know, the whole reason we're talking about this particular topic is it's basically going to segue into our next one,

[00:32:52] which is what qualifies as emergency communications.

[00:32:56] And perhaps this comment, I saw it a little while ago, so I'll put it up.

[00:33:00] How do you think the ability on the new iPhones to send text messages via satellite help in emergency situations?

[00:33:07] I mean, I think for most people, a cell phone is going to be your first line of defense anyway.

[00:33:11] It's not going to be necessarily a radio.

[00:33:14] But the reason that, you know, we brought this up is because there is a place for radios and emergency communications.

[00:33:21] And I know that some people kind of use that interchangeably.

[00:33:24] But, you know, there's a lot of talk online about ways to set up emergency communications.

[00:33:29] And there's a lot of debates as to whether or not amateur radio or GMRS repeaters are well suited to handle traffic during or after an emergency.

[00:33:40] So can we talk about Kyle's question before we move on to the next topic?

[00:33:46] Yeah, if you want to expand on that.

[00:33:49] So that's been going on for years before the iPhone started getting satellite capability.

[00:33:53] And so I have seen many of these calls come in recently where people have satellited out.

[00:34:01] I think that's really cool.

[00:34:01] But this is not new to the iPhone.

[00:34:04] The Garmin inreaches, especially the help buttons that didn't have any sort of ability to send a text message,

[00:34:12] those have been problematic because, for example, in the Grand Canyon,

[00:34:16] I read about people were punching those buttons because, like, you know, they ran out of water or their feet were tired.

[00:34:21] And then they have to mount, like, a $20,000 rescue to go even make contact with these people and get aircraft in the air.

[00:34:29] You know, all the things that you got to do to find somebody.

[00:34:33] And, you know, a lot of these things were definitely not emergencies.

[00:34:37] And so I think that's why a lot of people have tended to drift towards those devices where you can actually communicate some substance in that contact to say,

[00:34:47] hey, you know, we're fine.

[00:34:48] However, we're out of water and we're going to be in a tight spot here soon.

[00:34:51] But I've seen a number of these contacts based on satellite here recently.

[00:34:57] And I'm fascinated by it.

[00:34:58] I haven't had a chance to play with an iPhone that has that yet.

[00:35:00] And I'm really curious how effective the two-way communication can be with that.

[00:35:05] And I think T-Mobile even is coming out with a device that can interlink with Starlink satellites here coming up.

[00:35:12] So not a new question, but it's definitely not going away.

[00:35:16] And there's a lot of ambiguity there as to what people consider their emergency and how we respond to it in a way that's, you know, financially responsible and, you know, doesn't put people at undue risk because somebody has a blister.

[00:35:32] Well, I guess before we move away from the definition of what an emergency is or what we think it is, looks like Pacific Northwest Minute Man has a zone.

[00:35:46] So an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action.

[00:35:54] That's what I read as well.

[00:35:55] And it doesn't list life or limb.

[00:35:57] I was really surprised to discover that.

[00:35:59] But it seems like it should be in there.

[00:36:03] Unless the inference is that unless it's life or limb, it doesn't require immediate action.

[00:36:09] I mean, leave it open to interpretation as what do you think requires immediate action?

[00:36:14] I'm going to tell you that when I have an angry wife, chocolate requires immediate action.

[00:36:19] But, you know.

[00:36:20] Well, if you're a diabetic with your insulin in a refrigerator, refrigeration requires an immediate action.

[00:36:26] Right.

[00:36:27] Yep.

[00:36:30] But as far as the satellite communication goes, as far as the iPhone goes, I think that, once again, we have to take advantage of technology.

[00:36:37] That is an awesome capability to have.

[00:36:40] But when you look at that as going, you know, everybody's familiar with the pace plan.

[00:36:46] Primary communications is our cell phones.

[00:36:48] There's no denying that if you're out there saying your cell phone shouldn't be your primary communicator,

[00:36:52] you're, I don't know what you're thinking, but let's be real with ourselves.

[00:36:56] That is the case.

[00:36:57] However, one of the biggest things is, as far as emergency communications go, is it has to have some sort of rugability.

[00:37:04] And people make a lot of money repairing iPhones, having insurance plans on iPhones, replacing iPhone screens.

[00:37:11] So if you're relying on your iPhone as your primary means of communications, plus your emergency means of communications,

[00:37:18] just because it has the satellite feature into it, that's kind of foolish because of how delicate of a piece of device that it is.

[00:37:26] And on top of that, yes, it does satellite.

[00:37:29] It's awesome.

[00:37:30] I can tell you this past summer, I was at the Klamath Mountains up in Northern California.

[00:37:34] And even with the Starlink, because of the sheer way the cliff faces are,

[00:37:40] you still have to be able to face a satellite to get in contact with one.

[00:37:44] And there were miles and miles, you know, long stretches that your satellite wasn't in the right spot for you to get a signal.

[00:37:54] Wasn't that the issue with Marcus Luttrell trying to call for help in Afghanistan?

[00:37:58] Oh, yeah.

[00:37:59] There you go.

[00:38:00] Yep.

[00:38:01] Just couldn't.

[00:38:02] Yep.

[00:38:03] So, I mean, personally, I take a view of what constitutes emergency communications, and I prefer to use the word backup communications,

[00:38:11] kind of going to what Taylor was saying about pace plans.

[00:38:14] Like, to me, everything is about having layers of preps so that when plan A falls apart, and plan A probably will fall apart,

[00:38:21] plan B is right there, and if plan B falls apart, I'm going to keep going down the list until we get to improvisation or until something starts working.

[00:38:28] So, to me, what having, you know, satellite-based communication built into the iPhones,

[00:38:33] which was part of the reason I got a 15 Pro when it came time to upgrade,

[00:38:36] because I saw that as another tool in the toolbox,

[00:38:39] and I wouldn't say it elevates a phone to the point of being, like, your preferred emergency communications,

[00:38:45] but to me what it does is it broadens out the usability as a primary communication source.

[00:38:50] There's no reason not for your phone not to be your primary communicator.

[00:38:53] Everybody has one.

[00:38:54] They're reasonably secure.

[00:38:55] They work reasonably well,

[00:38:58] and even in the event of, like, you know, moderate power outages, at least around here,

[00:39:02] all these cell towers have backup generators, so they're going to run for a while.

[00:39:05] Well, it's the exception, not the rule, when the cell phones stop working.

[00:39:11] So I think if you have the ability to use it in a really off-grid situation using satellites,

[00:39:16] that just makes it work a little further into the woods as a primary communicator.

[00:39:20] I don't think it means you can throw out the radio and everything else and say,

[00:39:26] woohoo, I have satellite.

[00:39:27] I don't need, you know, backups anymore.

[00:39:29] It doesn't make it idiot-proof.

[00:39:31] It just makes it less failure-prone, I would say.

[00:39:35] Hey, we got a GSA check-in.

[00:39:37] Sorry.

[00:39:37] Oh, I thought you were done.

[00:39:39] Oh, no, I just had to pause.

[00:39:42] But I would just say that, like, the one thing that a lot of people don't talk about

[00:39:46] when they talk about emergency communications that I always bring up is,

[00:39:49] I'm like, sometimes communication is not always a positive thing.

[00:39:52] Sometimes it's as simple as, like, ahead of the emergency,

[00:39:56] telling a person, this is where I'm going to be if you need to come looking for me,

[00:39:59] or this is how you can reach me.

[00:40:01] It's that whole aspect of planning ahead of the situation before you wind up in it.

[00:40:07] And sometimes communication isn't pick up a radio or pick up a cell phone.

[00:40:10] Sometimes it's drop a letter in a friend's mailbox,

[00:40:12] or it's communicate with them verbally ahead of the emergency.

[00:40:17] I think that gets overlooked a lot.

[00:40:20] JSA check-in.

[00:40:21] We got a message from K7JLJ.

[00:40:25] Just a comment here.

[00:40:27] He says, TCS, enjoying the show.

[00:40:31] Awesome.

[00:40:33] Bill, you brought up something good,

[00:40:36] and I found a graphic that is published by APCO

[00:40:40] that covers that.

[00:40:42] It's a cycle of emergency communication.

[00:40:46] I sent it to you, Terrence.

[00:40:48] I don't know if you were able to get that on your computer,

[00:40:49] but APCO actually includes that in their emergency communication cycle,

[00:40:55] that pre-planning,

[00:40:57] the pre-planning portion,

[00:40:58] and then prior to that, mitigation,

[00:41:00] and I believe refining plans.

[00:41:03] Yeah, anyway.

[00:41:04] Oh, you did.

[00:41:05] Yeah, you know what?

[00:41:06] I'm sorry.

[00:41:07] I did not include that into...

[00:41:09] No, it's all good.

[00:41:09] So APCO is an industrial...

[00:41:12] APCO is an organization that manages emergency dispatchers.

[00:41:19] So they, if anybody, have got this dialed in,

[00:41:23] and so that's...

[00:41:25] I think we're drifting into the same lessons that they've learned,

[00:41:33] that preparation is part of the emergency communication cycle.

[00:41:38] Offline, we were...

[00:41:41] Sorry, this thing's buffering a little bit.

[00:41:43] Offline, we were kind of talking about, you know,

[00:41:46] a lot of the things that you see on YouTube and stuff like that

[00:41:49] where people are kind of promoting

[00:41:50] what they think emergency communications is.

[00:41:54] And we started debating as to

[00:41:57] whether they're using these terms interchangeably

[00:42:01] with backup communications.

[00:42:02] Do you think people who say MCOM and emergency communications,

[00:42:06] do you think they really just mean backup communications?

[00:42:09] Like, it's totally reasonable to have layers of comms.

[00:42:13] So, you know, that would be your cell phone

[00:42:15] and probably maybe ham radio if you're into that,

[00:42:18] and a CB, and who knows what else.

[00:42:21] And those are all just backup solutions.

[00:42:25] I think it's probably a reasonable explanation, honestly.

[00:42:28] Like, to me, something...

[00:42:30] Anything that you use to coordinate, call for help,

[00:42:33] or to mitigate an emergency is emergency communications.

[00:42:37] It's like the difference between me having a generator

[00:42:40] because I just don't like being hot when the power's out,

[00:42:43] and I have a generator because I can't have this

[00:42:45] life-saving piece of medical equipment die on me

[00:42:48] in the middle of a power outage.

[00:42:50] If you use it for an emergency,

[00:42:51] it is by definition emergency communications.

[00:42:54] It's like...

[00:42:55] I get into this spiel all the time

[00:42:56] from my own podcast

[00:42:58] when I talk about, like, practical preparedness,

[00:42:59] and we even do an episode every now and then

[00:43:01] on financial preparedness

[00:43:02] because I nerd out on people about, like,

[00:43:04] interest-bearing debts

[00:43:05] and having a savings account, a 401k,

[00:43:08] and all this stuff

[00:43:09] that you don't hear from a lot of people

[00:43:11] in the preparedness community.

[00:43:12] But I always tell everybody,

[00:43:13] I'm like, if you use it for preparedness,

[00:43:15] it is preparedness stuff.

[00:43:17] It's the intent that makes it emergency communications.

[00:43:21] But I would say that

[00:43:22] it's all backup communications

[00:43:24] until there's an emergency.

[00:43:26] Now it's emergency communications,

[00:43:27] if that makes sense.

[00:43:32] That's fair.

[00:43:33] Yeah, I agree with that.

[00:43:37] Drew, you look like you're screaming inside.

[00:43:39] No, no.

[00:43:41] I do have a lot to say,

[00:43:42] but I want to make sure

[00:43:42] I'm not stomping on everybody else.

[00:43:45] But I definitely think

[00:43:47] that there's an inappropriate intermingling

[00:43:49] between those two terms.

[00:43:52] And no greater example of this

[00:43:54] is the heavy focus of HF on MCOM.

[00:43:58] By the way, MCOM in the public safety world

[00:44:01] is not a word that is known or used,

[00:44:03] at least what I've seen.

[00:44:05] And my experience is not all-encompassing,

[00:44:08] but this is a word limited to,

[00:44:11] I think, ham radio folks

[00:44:13] and probably more specifically YouTube.

[00:44:16] I don't think it's a bad term to use,

[00:44:17] but it is not something

[00:44:20] that actual communications professionals use.

[00:44:22] So I just wanted to let folks know that

[00:44:24] if they're not familiar with it.

[00:44:25] So if somebody's really hammering MCOM at you,

[00:44:27] sometimes I think maybe that person

[00:44:30] doesn't have a whole lot of experience

[00:44:32] in actually working emergencies.

[00:44:35] And that's not wrong.

[00:44:36] They probably still have some good information to share,

[00:44:38] but it's just a perspective that should be,

[00:44:40] that consumers should keep in mind.

[00:44:43] So in the professional realm

[00:44:44] for paramedics, firefighters, police officers,

[00:44:48] what terms do you guys use for that?

[00:44:51] If MCOM's not.

[00:44:53] It's never anything that I've heard a term for.

[00:44:56] Taylor, Jared, can you guys chime in here?

[00:45:00] It's just, you get on the radio and talk.

[00:45:02] It would be communications

[00:45:03] because you're essentially talking on it

[00:45:05] because you're doing emergency communications.

[00:45:08] That's just, this is our method of communicating.

[00:45:11] Just what we do.

[00:45:12] So yeah, it's not a thing

[00:45:14] that needs a special term that I've ever heard.

[00:45:17] Maybe there's some department out there

[00:45:18] that uses the word MCOM a lot,

[00:45:20] but it's just the thing you do

[00:45:23] when you're working emergency.

[00:45:23] I was trying to figure out

[00:45:25] where the origin of that came from.

[00:45:27] And I was wondering if possibly

[00:45:29] it came up during somebody's pace planning

[00:45:31] or something.

[00:45:32] I don't know.

[00:45:32] I mean, we'll get into something Jared brought up

[00:45:35] at NIMS and ICS in a moment,

[00:45:37] but it is interesting

[00:45:39] because I don't think I started seeing MCOM

[00:45:41] until maybe a few years ago.

[00:45:43] I don't know.

[00:45:44] That has, I think the Morham Radio got involved,

[00:45:47] which appropriately so

[00:45:48] with emergency operations centers

[00:45:51] and being hubbed out of there.

[00:45:52] The term emergency communications MCOM

[00:45:55] kind of became their title.

[00:46:00] Their nomenclature.

[00:46:01] Exactly.

[00:46:02] But Drew, I wanted you to elaborate

[00:46:04] on the HF for emergency communications

[00:46:07] because I didn't give you my response offline.

[00:46:10] So I wanted to explain your title on that

[00:46:12] so you can get your position on it

[00:46:13] so you can go a little bit deeper into it.

[00:46:15] Yeah, sorry.

[00:46:15] I didn't tie up that thought.

[00:46:17] I see a massive emphasis on HF,

[00:46:21] which is a lot of fun

[00:46:22] and has utility in managing emergencies.

[00:46:25] But in general,

[00:46:28] anyone I would contact on HF

[00:46:30] is so far away.

[00:46:32] They, except for a niche circumstance,

[00:46:34] they probably can't help me urgently, rapidly.

[00:46:38] Now, I think perhaps

[00:46:40] if you are on an outpost in Antarctica,

[00:46:42] you're on a ship at sea,

[00:46:44] you're in an airplane.

[00:46:45] A lot of these places have, you know,

[00:46:46] professional HF radios,

[00:46:48] but HF of any type could be useful.

[00:46:51] But still that rapid response,

[00:46:53] that person's probably going to be so far away.

[00:46:56] And you brought up a great example

[00:46:57] of where HF might be useful.

[00:47:00] And I'll yield to you,

[00:47:02] yield the floor to you here.

[00:47:03] Well, so I was saving the best that I kept offline.

[00:47:06] But yes, my response to you on that initial one was,

[00:47:09] you know, your response was,

[00:47:11] you know, how would that help me

[00:47:12] in an emergency right now?

[00:47:13] And my response was,

[00:47:14] if I was truly your lifeline

[00:47:16] for an emergency you were having,

[00:47:18] and I was, you know, a thousand miles away,

[00:47:21] but because I could tell you,

[00:47:23] hey, you're having a heart attack,

[00:47:24] go ahead and take 324 milligrams of aspirin.

[00:47:26] Go ahead and take 0.4 milligrams of nitro.

[00:47:29] If you, because you can send,

[00:47:30] you know, pictures over it,

[00:47:32] if you had access to an EKG machine,

[00:47:33] at least let me get a picture of it.

[00:47:35] I can read it for you and,

[00:47:36] you know, do a 12-lead

[00:47:37] and kind of diagnose you just over that.

[00:47:40] And one of the other things you had commented was,

[00:47:43] you know,

[00:47:44] you related it directly to friends and family.

[00:47:46] So some of your friends and family

[00:47:48] will have skill sets that are important

[00:47:49] that can play a role.

[00:47:50] My bigger position on this,

[00:47:52] as far as communications goes,

[00:47:54] which is what I was kind of saving,

[00:47:55] was the fact of,

[00:47:57] the fact that, you know,

[00:47:58] it's a friend or family,

[00:47:59] the fact that you can authenticate that

[00:48:01] just because you know them,

[00:48:03] you know their voice,

[00:48:03] you know where they are,

[00:48:04] you know where they're located.

[00:48:06] If we look at emergency,

[00:48:07] just a little bit broader

[00:48:10] than our local area to,

[00:48:12] hey, there is an event or situation going on.

[00:48:15] And for whatever reason,

[00:48:17] the intelligence that's being gathered

[00:48:19] from the media,

[00:48:20] from public officials,

[00:48:22] isn't necessarily liable

[00:48:23] or we don't know too much

[00:48:24] of what's going on outside of our window.

[00:48:27] Being able to contact somebody

[00:48:29] across the country,

[00:48:30] in the middle of the country,

[00:48:31] across the state line to say,

[00:48:33] hey, here's what we're experiencing.

[00:48:34] Are you experiencing the same thing?

[00:48:37] And I think if you looked at it

[00:48:38] as far as a intelligence gathering tool,

[00:48:41] as far as emergency communications goes,

[00:48:43] it's vital in that perspective.

[00:48:49] That's a little further down

[00:48:50] in just kind of managing the disaster though,

[00:48:53] not the initial rapid response.

[00:48:56] But it could dictate

[00:48:59] how you're going to manage it

[00:49:00] because hey,

[00:49:01] if everybody you talk,

[00:49:02] you talk to somebody in California

[00:49:03] and this just happened

[00:49:05] and then oh,

[00:49:06] here it happened in Arizona

[00:49:07] and then oh,

[00:49:08] here it happened in Tennessee

[00:49:10] and it's making its way across

[00:49:11] and you're getting real-time live info

[00:49:14] from trusted sources

[00:49:15] because you know them,

[00:49:16] it could dictate how you responded to it.

[00:49:20] Or when the aliens start nuking cities,

[00:49:23] it's how we spread the word, right?

[00:49:25] The first in the house.

[00:49:26] Maybe, yeah.

[00:49:27] So if I sounded too arrogant

[00:49:29] over text message,

[00:49:30] I certainly apologize for that.

[00:49:31] I don't know everything.

[00:49:34] I thought mostly.

[00:49:35] We forgive you.

[00:49:36] My thought on it, yeah.

[00:49:38] We got another JSA comment,

[00:49:41] but Phil,

[00:49:41] why don't you go ahead?

[00:49:42] Yeah, go ahead.

[00:49:43] Well,

[00:49:44] I typed in the private chat,

[00:49:46] but I was going to say

[00:49:46] I get the exact opposite of this

[00:49:48] whenever I talk about GMRS'

[00:49:50] usability for the preparedness community.

[00:49:52] A lot of people comment that

[00:49:53] you should get HAM,

[00:49:55] you should get FHF,

[00:49:56] GMRS is too short range,

[00:49:57] there's too few people on it,

[00:49:58] yada, yada, yada, yada.

[00:49:59] And I go back to the same thing

[00:50:01] I said earlier.

[00:50:02] If you're using it

[00:50:03] for an emergency purpose

[00:50:04] and you've planned appropriately,

[00:50:06] which means you should know

[00:50:07] who you're reaching out to,

[00:50:08] they should know what channel

[00:50:09] to listen for you on,

[00:50:10] you should have a communications plan

[00:50:12] built around you

[00:50:13] and these people you're trying to contact.

[00:50:14] If it fits that need,

[00:50:16] then it's useful for an emergency.

[00:50:17] And if it doesn't fit that need,

[00:50:19] you need another piece of equipment

[00:50:20] that does.

[00:50:21] Like, I guess to me,

[00:50:23] like I'm very equipment

[00:50:24] and very agnostic

[00:50:26] on a lot of topics

[00:50:27] because to me it's like,

[00:50:28] does it fit your needs?

[00:50:29] If the answer is yes,

[00:50:31] then rock and roll with it.

[00:50:32] I don't care what the internet says.

[00:50:33] Like there are people who I know

[00:50:35] who live in the literal middle of nowhere

[00:50:39] and UHF, VHF, GMRS

[00:50:41] is not going to be useful to them.

[00:50:42] They're too far away from the people

[00:50:43] they need to contact

[00:50:45] in the event of an emergency.

[00:50:46] They really need to deal with HF

[00:50:48] to get the range they need

[00:50:49] or they need to look at satellite messaging

[00:50:50] or something else.

[00:50:51] But like,

[00:50:52] my communications plan

[00:50:54] in the event of an emergency

[00:50:55] centers around me,

[00:50:56] my wife,

[00:50:56] and my daughter.

[00:50:57] We live together.

[00:50:58] We live in a mid-sized town.

[00:51:01] If I can get a signal

[00:51:03] four and a half miles across town

[00:51:04] from my house to my wife's work,

[00:51:06] that's the furthest I need

[00:51:07] to send a signal.

[00:51:08] And as long as the local repeaters

[00:51:10] are still up and running

[00:51:11] and a couple of them

[00:51:12] are on backup power,

[00:51:13] I can get a signal

[00:51:15] 40, 50 miles away

[00:51:16] through these GMRS repeaters.

[00:51:18] So again,

[00:51:18] does it fit your need?

[00:51:20] If the answer is yes,

[00:51:21] then it's,

[00:51:21] by default,

[00:51:22] it works for emergency communications.

[00:51:24] And if the answer is no,

[00:51:25] then go look at another piece of equipment.

[00:51:27] I just,

[00:51:27] I don't like the blanket statements

[00:51:29] that this doesn't work for anybody

[00:51:31] or this does work for everybody

[00:51:34] because the minute you use the words

[00:51:35] always and never,

[00:51:37] I get to poke holes in it.

[00:51:38] True.

[00:51:39] I see that a lot.

[00:51:40] There was this video,

[00:51:43] this guy dressed up like a bozo

[00:51:46] and a bow tie

[00:51:48] and he was like,

[00:51:49] ham radio can't work for,

[00:51:51] or whatever.

[00:51:52] Anyway,

[00:51:53] nearly every public safety agency

[00:51:55] in the world

[00:51:56] uses UHF or VHF handhelds,

[00:51:59] which is very closely mimicked

[00:52:01] with the GMRS system

[00:52:02] or any VHF amateur radio system.

[00:52:05] So it just seems odd

[00:52:07] that somebody would say

[00:52:08] GMRS can't work for you

[00:52:09] in an emergency

[00:52:10] when your police officers

[00:52:13] might be carrying nearly

[00:52:15] the same equipment.

[00:52:16] So,

[00:52:17] well,

[00:52:17] I mean,

[00:52:18] until,

[00:52:19] they have infrastructure

[00:52:20] behind that to support it.

[00:52:23] They have repeater sites,

[00:52:24] they have satellite receivers,

[00:52:26] not satellite in the space,

[00:52:28] but separate receivers

[00:52:30] across an area

[00:52:32] that are all tied

[00:52:33] into one repeater

[00:52:34] or two repeaters.

[00:52:36] Are there not linked repeaters

[00:52:38] on the amateur side?

[00:52:39] Or,

[00:52:39] of course,

[00:52:40] they're not on GMRS,

[00:52:41] but they're still

[00:52:41] GMRS repeaters.

[00:52:42] Well,

[00:52:42] there are,

[00:52:43] yes.

[00:52:44] Yes.

[00:52:45] And I'm not offending

[00:52:46] one way or the other here.

[00:52:47] I'm just,

[00:52:47] I'm...

[00:52:48] Yeah.

[00:52:50] Well,

[00:52:50] but to your point,

[00:52:51] Jared,

[00:52:51] I think what I would say then

[00:52:52] is that it's not about

[00:52:53] a single piece of equipment,

[00:52:54] but about a cohesive system.

[00:52:56] Because that's what

[00:52:56] you're describing.

[00:52:57] It's the radio,

[00:52:58] it's the repeaters,

[00:52:59] it's the whole system

[00:53:00] working together

[00:53:01] to an end goal.

[00:53:02] And the people behind it,

[00:53:03] too.

[00:53:03] And the whole...

[00:53:05] And that is by...

[00:53:06] I mean,

[00:53:06] this is something

[00:53:07] that I hammered

[00:53:08] on a lot of my audience

[00:53:10] about recently

[00:53:11] when we talked...

[00:53:11] We had a whole hour

[00:53:12] in 20 minutes

[00:53:13] talking about

[00:53:15] communications theory.

[00:53:16] Didn't talk about equipment

[00:53:17] hardly at all.

[00:53:18] Didn't talk about

[00:53:19] specific pieces

[00:53:20] of radio gear,

[00:53:21] but it was like

[00:53:22] the principles

[00:53:22] of a comm plan,

[00:53:24] the principles

[00:53:25] of guarding your...

[00:53:26] of comm security

[00:53:28] and signals intelligence.

[00:53:30] It was just principles.

[00:53:31] It was stuff

[00:53:31] you could apply

[00:53:31] to any communications platform.

[00:53:33] but it's this idea

[00:53:34] that the planning,

[00:53:38] the standardization

[00:53:39] of a plan,

[00:53:40] the radios,

[00:53:41] the things behind

[00:53:42] the radios,

[00:53:43] the operators

[00:53:43] having the knowledge

[00:53:44] to use it,

[00:53:44] it's all part

[00:53:45] of the system.

[00:53:46] And if the system

[00:53:46] works,

[00:53:48] then it works.

[00:53:48] And if the whole system

[00:53:50] as a total

[00:53:50] doesn't work,

[00:53:51] it doesn't work.

[00:53:52] And by the way,

[00:53:53] like the loose nut

[00:53:55] behind...

[00:53:56] on this side

[00:53:57] of the radio

[00:53:57] is usually

[00:53:58] the weakest link

[00:53:59] in every system.

[00:54:00] True.

[00:54:01] One thing you're saying,

[00:54:02] you know,

[00:54:02] that's the thing.

[00:54:03] Everything that kind of

[00:54:04] cements this together

[00:54:05] is number one,

[00:54:05] pre-planning.

[00:54:06] And you guys

[00:54:06] just mentioned that.

[00:54:07] The only thing,

[00:54:09] you know,

[00:54:09] and this is as a

[00:54:10] general class

[00:54:11] ham radio guy,

[00:54:13] I think one of the

[00:54:14] biggest things

[00:54:15] that turns me away

[00:54:15] for ham radio

[00:54:17] for essentially

[00:54:18] emergency communications

[00:54:19] and the reason

[00:54:20] that I favor

[00:54:21] what GMRS is

[00:54:23] or how it's established

[00:54:23] is the fact that

[00:54:25] one of the things

[00:54:26] that I will preach

[00:54:26] to people is

[00:54:27] have a channelized

[00:54:30] based system.

[00:54:31] Not trying to

[00:54:32] remember frequencies

[00:54:33] and offsets

[00:54:34] and this and that.

[00:54:35] No, no, no.

[00:54:35] And one of the

[00:54:36] best parts about that

[00:54:37] is if you're even

[00:54:38] doing it on the ham side

[00:54:39] but you're having

[00:54:40] a radio program

[00:54:41] that way

[00:54:41] is you have

[00:54:42] some ambiguity there.

[00:54:43] If I tell you,

[00:54:44] hey,

[00:54:45] we're on two meters

[00:54:46] and I say,

[00:54:46] hey,

[00:54:46] go to 160.

[00:54:47] Well,

[00:54:48] you pretty much

[00:54:49] know if you're

[00:54:49] listening in

[00:54:50] where you're going.

[00:54:51] But if I say,

[00:54:52] hey,

[00:54:52] go to channel 23,

[00:54:53] you have no idea

[00:54:54] what that means.

[00:54:55] Because that could be

[00:54:56] any frequency.

[00:54:57] Exactly.

[00:54:58] Mm-hmm.

[00:55:00] And that is like

[00:55:00] the one weak point

[00:55:01] of GMRS

[00:55:02] that I'm very quick

[00:55:02] to point out to people

[00:55:03] is like,

[00:55:04] it is a channelized service.

[00:55:06] There's only so many channels.

[00:55:07] So the ability to hide

[00:55:09] in that mountain of noise

[00:55:11] that is the radio band

[00:55:12] is fairly limited

[00:55:13] because if I'm trying

[00:55:14] to find a GMRS operator,

[00:55:16] I've only got 22 channels

[00:55:17] to scan.

[00:55:17] I'm going to find you

[00:55:18] eventually.

[00:55:19] It doesn't matter

[00:55:19] how short your transmissions

[00:55:21] or how much you burst

[00:55:21] or how much you spread them out.

[00:55:23] I'm going to find you

[00:55:23] sooner or later.

[00:55:24] There's no doubt about that.

[00:55:24] And I'm going to cut

[00:55:25] into your cars.

[00:55:25] But I think for its ease

[00:55:26] of use,

[00:55:27] it is a greater benefit

[00:55:28] than a negative

[00:55:29] for the fact that

[00:55:30] any public safety radio

[00:55:31] out there,

[00:55:32] you will never hear

[00:55:33] any law enforcement agency,

[00:55:35] fire rescue agency,

[00:55:36] saying,

[00:55:36] hey,

[00:55:36] go to this frequency.

[00:55:38] It is a channelized system.

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:41] And that is the reason

[00:55:42] I recommend it

[00:55:43] to so many people

[00:55:43] in the preparedness community.

[00:55:44] And I'm really pushing,

[00:55:46] I don't push against HAM.

[00:55:47] I just tell everybody,

[00:55:48] put this tool in the toolbox

[00:55:49] because the difference

[00:55:50] between a HAM UHF radio

[00:55:54] and this thing

[00:55:55] is that I can teach my daughter

[00:55:56] how to use this

[00:55:57] in 45 seconds.

[00:55:58] I can get her

[00:55:59] to change channels

[00:55:59] in 45 seconds.

[00:56:00] I've got every radio

[00:56:01] in this house.

[00:56:02] I've got the radio

[00:56:03] in that man pack

[00:56:03] back there on the floor

[00:56:04] and I've got the radio

[00:56:05] in my truck

[00:56:05] all with the exact same

[00:56:07] code plugs in them

[00:56:07] across the board.

[00:56:09] So every radio

[00:56:10] you pick up

[00:56:10] in the Rabelais household,

[00:56:11] they all have

[00:56:12] the exact same channels

[00:56:13] in the same order.

[00:56:14] They work exactly the same.

[00:56:15] And that means that

[00:56:18] because of the way

[00:56:18] GMRS works,

[00:56:19] because for anybody

[00:56:20] that doesn't know,

[00:56:21] like you get a radio license

[00:56:23] and that license covers

[00:56:24] you,

[00:56:25] your immediate family,

[00:56:26] a lot of your extended family,

[00:56:27] basically everybody

[00:56:27] except the dog.

[00:56:29] And I can pass a radio

[00:56:30] to my brother-in-law

[00:56:31] or my parents

[00:56:32] or my wife

[00:56:33] or my daughter,

[00:56:34] anybody.

[00:56:34] We all operate

[00:56:35] off the same license.

[00:56:36] So it allows you

[00:56:37] to arm the lay people

[00:56:38] around you

[00:56:39] with radios

[00:56:40] and spin them up

[00:56:41] very,

[00:56:41] very quickly

[00:56:42] in a way that I think

[00:56:43] is much more prohibitive.

[00:56:45] It just has a higher

[00:56:46] barrier to entry

[00:56:46] than HAM does.

[00:56:48] Like I won't debate

[00:56:49] it may or may not be

[00:56:50] a more capable radio service,

[00:56:52] but if you're not willing

[00:56:53] to invest the time

[00:56:54] to learn how to use it,

[00:56:55] it's useless to me.

[00:56:57] I'm getting inundated.

[00:56:58] I'm getting buried

[00:56:59] in JSA messages here.

[00:57:00] Go ahead.

[00:57:01] Get caught up here.

[00:57:02] I'm sorry.

[00:57:03] First message we have here,

[00:57:05] actually all these

[00:57:05] are from K7JLJ.

[00:57:07] This message is for our

[00:57:08] FDNY calendar,

[00:57:10] Chad there.

[00:57:11] Says you're nailing it.

[00:57:13] He obviously agrees with you.

[00:57:15] I appreciate that.

[00:57:16] I see.

[00:57:17] I never mentioned

[00:57:18] the calendar,

[00:57:19] so okay.

[00:57:19] Oh, sorry.

[00:57:21] Oops.

[00:57:23] I don't know

[00:57:23] where we find that calendar.

[00:57:24] Anyway,

[00:57:26] the other message you said,

[00:57:28] VHF won't get this message

[00:57:29] to you,

[00:57:29] even SSB voice.

[00:57:31] And I didn't understand

[00:57:32] this part of what you wrote,

[00:57:34] K7JLJ.

[00:57:34] You said the term is,

[00:57:37] quote,

[00:57:37] my job,

[00:57:38] unquote.

[00:57:38] I don't know what that means,

[00:57:39] but I guess my point is

[00:57:41] there's like,

[00:57:42] you're sending a message

[00:57:43] to me over HF.

[00:57:44] There's very little

[00:57:44] I could do for you right now

[00:57:46] if you are having

[00:57:47] a true emergency.

[00:57:48] Maybe I could provide

[00:57:49] some sort of guidance

[00:57:50] or something,

[00:57:50] but Taylor did jump into that

[00:57:52] and pointed out

[00:57:53] that he was nailing

[00:57:54] that topic home.

[00:57:56] Yeah,

[00:57:57] there's certainly a role

[00:57:58] for HF.

[00:57:58] I just,

[00:57:58] I personally don't think

[00:57:59] it's your most valuable

[00:58:01] or primary means

[00:58:03] of communicating

[00:58:03] an emergency,

[00:58:04] raising an alarm

[00:58:05] in a situation

[00:58:07] where your needs

[00:58:08] outstrip your resources

[00:58:09] to handle that situation.

[00:58:10] And then the last,

[00:58:11] this is a bit longer paragraph,

[00:58:13] same sender.

[00:58:14] My family's 260 miles away.

[00:58:15] I'm contacting Hams

[00:58:16] in their neighborhood

[00:58:17] to provide comms

[00:58:18] in SHTF,

[00:58:19] short of satellite.

[00:58:20] There's no other way

[00:58:21] to communicate

[00:58:21] other than HF

[00:58:22] and preferably digital modes.

[00:58:24] And I think we sort of

[00:58:25] talked about that

[00:58:26] and maybe that's

[00:58:28] something of a backup

[00:58:30] communication

[00:58:30] rather than

[00:58:31] an instant emergency

[00:58:32] because if they're 260 miles away,

[00:58:34] you definitely can't

[00:58:36] come to their aid

[00:58:37] right off the bat.

[00:58:38] in response

[00:58:40] to your

[00:58:44] I'm not following

[00:58:45] say comments.

[00:58:46] Oh,

[00:58:47] I get what you're saying.

[00:58:48] People call it

[00:58:48] my job.

[00:58:50] He's basically,

[00:58:51] I'll make it to basically

[00:58:52] like a volunteer firefighter

[00:58:54] who says,

[00:58:54] oh,

[00:58:54] I work at,

[00:58:56] you ask them what their job is,

[00:58:57] they say they're a fireman,

[00:58:58] but it's like,

[00:58:58] no,

[00:58:58] you actually,

[00:58:58] you work at Best Buy.

[00:59:00] Here,

[00:59:00] you're a Best Buy checkout guy.

[00:59:02] That's your job.

[00:59:03] Gotcha.

[00:59:07] Not to diminish

[00:59:08] their valuable service

[00:59:09] that they provide us.

[00:59:10] I guess,

[00:59:10] I wanted to kind of

[00:59:11] because this is

[00:59:15] I don't think Terrence

[00:59:16] was planning on

[00:59:16] going this far

[00:59:17] down this rabbit hole.

[00:59:19] Yet here we are.

[00:59:20] Alice.

[00:59:21] Oh,

[00:59:21] no,

[00:59:21] I was.

[00:59:22] I actually wanted to circle back

[00:59:23] to something that you had

[00:59:24] brought up,

[00:59:25] Phil,

[00:59:25] because it's going to

[00:59:26] segue into our

[00:59:28] kind of next

[00:59:29] set of talking points.

[00:59:30] But basically,

[00:59:31] you were talking about

[00:59:33] explaining theory

[00:59:33] and principles

[00:59:34] to people

[00:59:35] and I think

[00:59:36] that's probably

[00:59:37] one of the most

[00:59:37] important things

[00:59:38] you can do

[00:59:38] because one of the

[00:59:40] hardest questions

[00:59:40] to answer is

[00:59:41] what kind of radio

[00:59:42] should I get?

[00:59:43] And it's like,

[00:59:44] well,

[00:59:44] what are you trying

[00:59:45] to accomplish?

[00:59:46] What are your goals?

[00:59:47] Who do you want to talk to?

[00:59:48] And I think that

[00:59:49] you are probably

[00:59:51] one of the few people

[00:59:52] aside from,

[00:59:53] you know,

[00:59:53] the other guys here

[00:59:54] that actually talk

[00:59:55] about that kind of thing.

[00:59:57] There's plenty of people

[00:59:58] that are willing

[00:59:58] to recommend a radio,

[01:00:00] but,

[01:00:01] you know,

[01:00:02] they don't really

[01:00:03] take the next step

[01:00:04] of,

[01:00:04] well,

[01:00:04] what are you trying

[01:00:05] to do with it?

[01:00:07] And I think a lot

[01:00:08] of people kind of

[01:00:09] get frustrated

[01:00:10] with radio

[01:00:10] because that's really

[01:00:12] the first thing

[01:00:13] you should be looking

[01:00:14] at instead of,

[01:00:15] you know,

[01:00:15] what cool gear

[01:00:16] should I buy first?

[01:00:18] And offline,

[01:00:19] Jared,

[01:00:19] I guess,

[01:00:20] you know,

[01:00:20] back to kind of

[01:00:22] Phil's point

[01:00:23] about theory

[01:00:25] and just principles.

[01:00:27] Offline,

[01:00:27] you were talking

[01:00:28] about NIMS

[01:00:30] and ICS

[01:00:31] and how many people

[01:00:33] when going down

[01:00:34] the path

[01:00:34] of setting up

[01:00:35] emergency comms

[01:00:36] infrastructure,

[01:00:37] they may not have

[01:00:38] much knowledge

[01:00:39] about that.

[01:00:40] And I can share

[01:00:43] this just briefly.

[01:00:46] So NIMS,

[01:00:48] that's the National

[01:00:48] Incident Management

[01:00:49] System.

[01:00:50] That's a program

[01:00:51] at FEMA.

[01:00:51] and the approach

[01:00:52] is for incident

[01:00:54] management for emergencies

[01:00:56] that range

[01:00:56] in size and scope.

[01:00:58] ICS is the

[01:00:59] Incident Command

[01:01:00] System

[01:01:00] and that's,

[01:01:02] I guess,

[01:01:02] a model for helping

[01:01:03] managing resources

[01:01:04] during emergencies.

[01:01:06] But a lot of people

[01:01:09] don't really talk

[01:01:10] about the principles

[01:01:11] and theories.

[01:01:14] And is there a way,

[01:01:16] I guess I could start

[01:01:16] with you, Jared,

[01:01:17] first since you are

[01:01:18] the one that

[01:01:18] originally brought this up.

[01:01:20] Is there a way

[01:01:20] to apply these concepts

[01:01:21] for those wanting

[01:01:22] to go down the path

[01:01:23] of setting up

[01:01:24] an emergency

[01:01:25] communications

[01:01:26] infrastructure?

[01:01:28] The first thing

[01:01:29] you have to do,

[01:01:31] FEMA has all

[01:01:33] these courses

[01:01:33] lined out

[01:01:34] and you can go

[01:01:35] on,

[01:01:36] they're all online

[01:01:36] or I would say

[01:01:38] a majority

[01:01:38] of them are online.

[01:01:39] You can go take

[01:01:40] all the online

[01:01:41] courses that you want

[01:01:43] but if you don't

[01:01:43] take those

[01:01:44] and actually

[01:01:44] implement them

[01:01:45] into practice

[01:01:46] in training

[01:01:48] and utilize

[01:01:48] these NIMS

[01:01:50] and ICS

[01:01:50] courses,

[01:01:51] you're going

[01:01:52] to be completely

[01:01:53] lost with them.

[01:01:55] It's a tool

[01:01:57] to help you

[01:01:57] manage

[01:01:59] a situation,

[01:02:00] a fire scene

[01:02:02] or an accident

[01:02:02] scene

[01:02:03] or a large

[01:02:04] wildfire scene.

[01:02:06] And NIMS

[01:02:08] and ICS

[01:02:08] can grow

[01:02:09] and shrink

[01:02:10] as the scene

[01:02:11] or as the emergency

[01:02:12] grows or shrinks.

[01:02:15] the

[01:02:18] incident

[01:02:18] that you have

[01:02:19] the more

[01:02:20] resources

[01:02:20] you're going

[01:02:21] to have

[01:02:21] coming in

[01:02:22] so now

[01:02:22] your NIMS

[01:02:23] and your ICS

[01:02:24] has to

[01:02:25] the way you

[01:02:26] manage it

[01:02:27] has to grow

[01:02:27] and then

[01:02:29] as you start

[01:02:29] to demobilize

[01:02:30] an incident

[01:02:31] your NIMS

[01:02:32] and ICS

[01:02:33] approaches

[01:02:34] kind of shrink

[01:02:35] down along

[01:02:35] with it

[01:02:36] as well.

[01:02:38] But you

[01:02:39] have to

[01:02:39] go out

[01:02:40] and experience

[01:02:42] the management

[01:02:43] side of these

[01:02:44] emergency scenes

[01:02:45] that really

[01:02:46] see how

[01:02:47] NIMS

[01:02:47] and ICS

[01:02:48] plays a role.

[01:02:49] And even

[01:02:50] then it can

[01:02:51] be a little

[01:02:51] confusing

[01:02:52] for a lot

[01:02:53] of people.

[01:02:53] Well and I

[01:02:58] think a lot

[01:02:59] of people

[01:02:59] you know

[01:03:00] well

[01:03:00] I should

[01:03:01] take that

[01:03:02] back

[01:03:02] because I

[01:03:02] don't want

[01:03:02] to speak

[01:03:04] in too much

[01:03:04] of an absolute

[01:03:05] but I see

[01:03:07] a lot of

[01:03:07] folks online

[01:03:08] and just

[01:03:10] in different

[01:03:11] circles

[01:03:11] that will

[01:03:12] promote

[01:03:13] the whole

[01:03:13] manpack

[01:03:14] thing that

[01:03:14] we've been

[01:03:14] talking about

[01:03:15] and beating

[01:03:15] to death

[01:03:16] and HF

[01:03:19] for communications

[01:03:20] but there's

[01:03:21] not really

[01:03:22] like a

[01:03:22] you know

[01:03:23] pace plan

[01:03:24] or an

[01:03:24] SOP

[01:03:25] behind it

[01:03:26] and you

[01:03:27] know

[01:03:28] there's a lot

[01:03:28] of emergency

[01:03:28] preparedness

[01:03:29] circles

[01:03:29] who include

[01:03:30] HF as part

[01:03:31] of their

[01:03:31] overall

[01:03:32] comms plan

[01:03:33] but is

[01:03:34] that focus

[01:03:35] proportionate

[01:03:36] to its

[01:03:36] usefulness

[01:03:37] in all

[01:03:38] emergency

[01:03:38] scenarios

[01:03:39] and I

[01:03:39] think that's

[01:03:40] something

[01:03:40] that Drew

[01:03:40] previously

[01:03:41] was asking

[01:03:42] in our

[01:03:43] offline

[01:03:43] conversations

[01:03:44] is it

[01:03:45] proportional

[01:03:48] I mean

[01:03:49] I was just

[01:03:51] going to say

[01:03:51] like

[01:03:54] I'm always

[01:03:55] very careful

[01:03:55] how I weigh

[01:03:56] in this

[01:03:56] situation

[01:03:56] because I

[01:03:57] never

[01:03:57] want to

[01:03:58] like

[01:03:58] disparage

[01:03:59] anyone's

[01:03:59] use of

[01:04:00] anything

[01:04:00] that fits

[01:04:01] their

[01:04:01] particular

[01:04:01] need

[01:04:02] I am

[01:04:04] extraordinarily

[01:04:04] anal

[01:04:05] retentive

[01:04:05] with a

[01:04:06] lot of

[01:04:07] people

[01:04:07] a lot of

[01:04:08] people I

[01:04:08] collaborate

[01:04:08] with

[01:04:09] my audience

[01:04:10] friends

[01:04:10] of mine

[01:04:11] about asking

[01:04:12] the questions

[01:04:13] of like

[01:04:13] what is

[01:04:14] the thing

[01:04:15] I'm attempting

[01:04:16] to accomplish

[01:04:16] before you

[01:04:17] haul off

[01:04:18] and go buy

[01:04:18] 10 tons

[01:04:19] of man

[01:04:20] packs

[01:04:20] and radios

[01:04:21] and antennas

[01:04:22] and all

[01:04:22] the stuff

[01:04:23] that you

[01:04:23] post on

[01:04:23] Instagram

[01:04:24] to impress

[01:04:24] all the

[01:04:24] people you

[01:04:25] are never

[01:04:25] going to

[01:04:25] meet in

[01:04:25] real life

[01:04:26] but like

[01:04:27] to me

[01:04:27] it just

[01:04:28] comes down

[01:04:28] to like

[01:04:29] do you

[01:04:29] need to

[01:04:30] make

[01:04:30] that

[01:04:31] 200 mile

[01:04:32] contact

[01:04:33] contact

[01:04:34] GMRS

[01:04:34] is probably

[01:04:35] not the

[01:04:35] thing for

[01:04:35] you if

[01:04:36] you need

[01:04:36] to reach

[01:04:36] out and

[01:04:37] touch

[01:04:37] someone

[01:04:37] from that

[01:04:37] far away

[01:04:38] you probably

[01:04:39] need to

[01:04:39] look at

[01:04:39] HF

[01:04:40] but if

[01:04:41] I need

[01:04:41] to contact

[01:04:42] my wife

[01:04:43] and daughter

[01:04:43] who are

[01:04:44] at the

[01:04:44] other end

[01:04:44] of the

[01:04:44] subdivision

[01:04:45] HF is

[01:04:46] not only

[01:04:46] overkill

[01:04:46] it's not

[01:04:47] going to

[01:04:47] work

[01:04:48] so I

[01:04:49] just

[01:04:49] always

[01:04:49] go back

[01:04:49] to this

[01:04:50] idea

[01:04:50] that like

[01:04:51] if you

[01:04:52] ask me

[01:04:52] what should

[01:04:52] I do

[01:04:53] what should

[01:04:53] I get

[01:04:53] I'm

[01:04:54] going

[01:04:54] to ask

[01:04:54] you

[01:04:54] what

[01:04:54] you're

[01:04:54] trying

[01:04:55] to

[01:04:55] do

[01:04:55] and

[01:04:55] like

[01:04:55] that's

[01:04:55] the

[01:05:03] I'm

[01:05:03] trying

[01:05:03] to

[01:05:03] do

[01:05:03] guys

[01:05:04] like

[01:05:04] I

[01:05:04] built

[01:05:05] everything

[01:05:05] I built

[01:05:06] in this

[01:05:07] communication

[01:05:07] system

[01:05:08] that I'm

[01:05:09] implementing

[01:05:09] is all

[01:05:10] based around

[01:05:10] the idea

[01:05:11] that there

[01:05:11] are two

[01:05:11] people

[01:05:12] I

[01:05:12] primarily

[01:05:12] need

[01:05:12] to be

[01:05:13] in touch

[01:05:13] with

[01:05:13] I

[01:05:14] do

[01:05:14] not

[01:05:14] expect

[01:05:15] them

[01:05:15] to be

[01:05:15] more

[01:05:15] than

[01:05:15] five

[01:05:16] miles

[01:05:16] away

[01:05:16] from me

[01:05:17] I can

[01:05:17] cover

[01:05:18] that

[01:05:18] with

[01:05:18] GMRS

[01:05:18] just

[01:05:19] fine

[01:05:20] I've

[01:05:20] got

[01:05:20] some

[01:05:21] people

[01:05:21] in a

[01:05:21] little

[01:05:21] bit

[01:05:21] further

[01:05:22] area

[01:05:22] that

[01:05:22] I'd

[01:05:23] like

[01:05:23] to

[01:05:23] be

[01:05:23] in

[01:05:23] touch

[01:05:23] with

[01:05:23] but

[01:05:24] they're

[01:05:24] not

[01:05:24] required

[01:05:24] so I

[01:05:25] started

[01:05:26] with

[01:05:26] this

[01:05:27] is my

[01:05:27] requirement

[01:05:27] what

[01:05:28] fits

[01:05:28] the

[01:05:28] requirement

[01:05:29] what

[01:05:29] fills

[01:05:30] the

[01:05:30] need

[01:05:30] and

[01:05:31] it's

[01:05:31] got

[01:05:31] to

[01:05:32] be

[01:05:32] that

[01:05:32] way

[01:05:32] for

[01:05:32] communications

[01:05:33] it's

[01:05:34] got

[01:05:34] to be

[01:05:34] that

[01:05:34] way

[01:05:34] for

[01:05:34] home

[01:05:34] defense

[01:05:35] it's

[01:05:35] got

[01:05:35] to be

[01:05:36] that

[01:05:41] it's

[01:05:41] got

[01:05:56] fair

[01:05:58] absolutely

[01:05:58] Phil

[01:05:59] and I

[01:05:59] would

[01:05:59] say

[01:05:59] I

[01:06:00] think

[01:06:00] for

[01:06:00] 90%

[01:06:01] of

[01:06:01] the

[01:06:02] situations

[01:06:02] I'm

[01:06:02] not

[01:06:02] going

[01:06:02] to go

[01:06:03] too

[01:06:03] deep

[01:06:03] into

[01:06:03] this

[01:06:03] but

[01:06:04] I

[01:06:04] think

[01:06:05] simplex

[01:06:05] communications

[01:06:06] is

[01:06:08] usually

[01:06:08] the

[01:06:09] 90%

[01:06:10] mark

[01:06:10] as to

[01:06:11] what

[01:06:11] is

[01:06:11] probably

[01:06:12] most

[01:06:12] important

[01:06:13] to

[01:06:13] you

[01:06:13] and

[01:06:14] then

[01:06:14] you

[01:06:14] can

[01:06:14] go

[01:06:14] into

[01:06:15] whatever

[01:06:16] radio

[01:06:16] you

[01:06:16] want

[01:06:16] to

[01:06:16] fill

[01:06:17] that

[01:06:17] role

[01:06:19] go

[01:06:19] ahead

[01:06:19] and

[01:06:20] explore

[01:06:20] but

[01:06:21] as

[01:06:21] far

[01:06:21] as

[01:06:22] IMS

[01:06:22] goes

[01:06:23] and

[01:06:24] incident

[01:06:25] management

[01:06:27] it's

[01:06:27] kind

[01:06:27] of

[01:06:27] torn

[01:06:28] so

[01:06:28] Jared

[01:06:29] you

[01:06:29] know

[01:06:30] this

[01:06:31] in

[01:06:32] your

[01:06:32] heart

[01:06:32] you

[01:06:32] know

[01:06:32] law

[01:06:33] from

[01:06:33] doing

[01:06:34] both

[01:06:34] sides

[01:06:34] of

[01:06:34] law

[01:06:35] enforcement

[01:06:36] horrible

[01:06:36] at

[01:06:37] IMS

[01:06:37] we

[01:06:38] don't

[01:06:38] practice

[01:06:38] it

[01:06:39] we

[01:06:39] really

[01:06:39] don't

[01:06:39] do

[01:06:39] it

[01:06:40] is

[01:06:40] that

[01:06:40] one

[01:06:40] of

[01:06:40] our

[01:06:40] things

[01:06:40] we

[01:06:40] you

[01:06:41] talk

[01:06:41] about

[01:06:43] freelancing

[01:06:43] as

[01:06:43] being

[01:06:44] a

[01:06:44] bad

[01:06:45] word

[01:06:45] in

[01:06:45] the

[01:06:45] fire

[01:06:45] department

[01:06:46] in

[01:06:46] law

[01:06:46] enforcement

[01:06:47] your

[01:06:47] job

[01:06:47] is

[01:06:48] to

[01:06:49] freelance

[01:06:49] and see

[01:06:50] where

[01:06:50] you

[01:06:50] fill

[01:06:50] in

[01:06:50] on

[01:06:52] the

[01:06:53] fire

[01:06:53] department

[01:06:53] world

[01:06:54] I

[01:06:55] think

[01:06:55] for

[01:06:55] 90%

[01:06:56] of

[01:06:56] the

[01:06:57] country

[01:06:57] we've

[01:06:58] taken

[01:06:58] it

[01:06:58] too

[01:06:58] far

[01:06:59] because

[01:06:59] it's

[01:06:59] kind

[01:06:59] of

[01:06:59] been

[01:06:59] mandated

[01:07:00] to be

[01:07:00] enforced

[01:07:00] quite

[01:07:01] honestly

[01:07:02] from my

[01:07:02] point

[01:07:02] of view

[01:07:03] of

[01:07:03] this

[01:07:03] when

[01:07:04] I

[01:07:04] hear

[01:07:05] my

[01:07:06] city

[01:07:06] pulling

[01:07:06] up

[01:07:07] to

[01:07:07] a

[01:07:07] one

[01:07:08] or

[01:07:08] two

[01:07:08] vehicle

[01:07:09] car

[01:07:09] accident

[01:07:10] and

[01:07:10] there's

[01:07:10] nothing

[01:07:11] else

[01:07:11] going

[01:07:11] on

[01:07:11] with

[01:07:11] it

[01:07:12] and

[01:07:12] they

[01:07:12] establish

[01:07:12] command

[01:07:13] and

[01:07:13] do

[01:07:13] the

[01:07:13] whole

[01:07:14] nine

[01:07:14] yards

[01:07:14] it's

[01:07:14] like

[01:07:14] I

[01:07:15] don't

[01:07:15] need

[01:07:15] to

[01:07:15] talk

[01:07:16] to

[01:07:16] command

[01:07:17] at

[01:07:17] that

[01:07:17] point

[01:07:18] being

[01:07:18] able

[01:07:18] to

[01:07:18] call

[01:07:19] you

[01:07:19] by

[01:07:19] your

[01:07:20] unit

[01:07:21] designator

[01:07:22] that

[01:07:22] you are

[01:07:22] the other

[01:07:23] 99%

[01:07:23] of the

[01:07:23] time

[01:07:24] it's

[01:07:25] perfectly

[01:07:25] appropriate

[01:07:25] your

[01:07:25] span

[01:07:26] of

[01:07:26] control

[01:07:26] is

[01:07:26] literally

[01:07:27] the

[01:07:27] guys

[01:07:27] you

[01:07:27] work

[01:07:27] with

[01:07:28] all

[01:07:29] the

[01:07:29] time

[01:07:29] there's

[01:07:30] no

[01:07:30] real

[01:07:33] to

[01:07:33] implement

[01:07:34] IMS

[01:07:34] in that

[01:07:35] situation

[01:07:35] and

[01:07:35] I

[01:07:35] get

[01:07:36] it

[01:07:36] it's

[01:07:36] good

[01:07:36] practice

[01:07:37] but

[01:07:38] it's

[01:07:38] a lot

[01:07:38] of

[01:07:38] overkill

[01:07:39] yes

[01:07:40] now

[01:07:40] we

[01:07:40] take

[01:07:40] that

[01:07:41] and

[01:07:41] I

[01:07:41] go

[01:07:41] to

[01:07:42] the

[01:07:42] wildfire

[01:07:43] scene

[01:07:43] and

[01:07:44] the

[01:07:44] first

[01:07:44] wildfire

[01:07:45] I

[01:07:45] went

[01:07:45] to

[01:07:45] I

[01:07:46] literally

[01:07:46] took

[01:07:47] selfies

[01:07:47] standing

[01:07:48] in front

[01:07:48] of

[01:07:48] what

[01:07:48] they

[01:07:49] call

[01:07:49] these

[01:07:49] tent

[01:07:49] cities

[01:07:50] because

[01:07:50] it

[01:07:51] was

[01:07:51] the

[01:07:51] entire

[01:07:52] IMS

[01:07:53] system

[01:07:53] in

[01:08:05] the

[01:08:05] FEMA

[01:08:05] classes

[01:08:06] I've

[01:08:06] ever

[01:08:06] had

[01:08:06] to

[01:08:06] do

[01:08:06] I'm

[01:08:07] like

[01:08:07] what

[01:08:08] is

[01:08:08] the

[01:08:08] stuff

[01:08:08] never

[01:08:09] going

[01:08:09] to

[01:08:09] see

[01:08:09] it

[01:08:09] and

[01:08:09] all

[01:08:09] of a

[01:08:10] sudden

[01:08:10] one

[01:08:10] day

[01:08:10] I'm

[01:08:10] like

[01:08:11] here

[01:08:12] it

[01:08:37] equate

[01:08:38] this

[01:08:38] to

[01:08:38] Drew

[01:08:38] to

[01:08:38] be

[01:08:38] like

[01:08:39] for

[01:08:39] the

[01:08:39] same

[01:08:39] reason

[01:08:39] we

[01:08:40] don't

[01:08:40] walk

[01:08:40] into

[01:08:40] a

[01:08:40] medical

[01:08:41] patient's

[01:08:41] call

[01:08:42] and

[01:08:44] issue

[01:08:44] them

[01:08:45] triage

[01:08:45] tags

[01:08:45] just

[01:08:46] to

[01:08:46] practice

[01:08:47] because

[01:08:48] there's

[01:08:49] no need

[01:08:49] sure

[01:08:53] well

[01:08:53] I mean

[01:08:54] so I

[01:08:54] think

[01:08:55] how we

[01:08:58] if

[01:08:58] I

[01:08:58] could

[01:08:59] argue

[01:09:00] be a

[01:09:00] little

[01:09:01] petty

[01:09:01] I

[01:09:03] think

[01:09:03] that

[01:09:04] stuff's

[01:09:04] occurring

[01:09:04] anyway

[01:09:05] right

[01:09:05] if I

[01:09:06] have a

[01:09:06] car

[01:09:06] crash

[01:09:07] that

[01:09:07] I'm

[01:09:08] responding

[01:09:08] to

[01:09:08] and the

[01:09:09] law

[01:09:09] enforcement

[01:09:10] are

[01:09:10] in

[01:09:10] charge

[01:09:10] of

[01:09:10] that

[01:09:10] scene

[01:09:11] I

[01:09:11] don't

[01:09:11] leave

[01:09:12] that

[01:09:12] scene

[01:09:12] without

[01:09:12] checking

[01:09:13] in

[01:09:13] with

[01:09:13] them

[01:09:13] first

[01:09:13] and

[01:09:14] racing

[01:09:14] off

[01:09:14] with

[01:09:14] their

[01:09:15] witness

[01:09:15] right

[01:09:16] so

[01:09:17] that

[01:09:17] person

[01:09:18] is

[01:09:40] but

[01:09:41] informally

[01:09:41] an

[01:09:41] IMS

[01:09:42] is

[01:09:42] a

[01:09:42] very

[01:09:43] formal

[01:09:43] system

[01:09:43] because

[01:09:44] I

[01:09:45] would

[01:09:45] always

[01:09:46] guarantee

[01:09:46] you

[01:09:46] like

[01:09:46] yes

[01:09:47] we

[01:09:47] understand

[01:09:48] a car

[01:09:48] accident

[01:09:49] is

[01:09:49] a

[01:09:49] crime

[01:09:50] scene

[01:09:50] law

[01:09:50] enforcement

[01:09:51] technically

[01:09:51] is

[01:09:52] in

[01:09:52] charge

[01:09:52] but

[01:09:53] at

[01:09:53] the

[01:09:53] same

[01:09:53] time

[01:09:54] the

[01:09:54] engine

[01:09:54] that

[01:09:55] pulled

[01:09:55] up

[01:09:55] on

[01:09:55] that

[01:09:55] scene

[01:09:55] most

[01:09:56] likely

[01:09:56] went

[01:09:57] on

[01:09:57] scene

[01:09:57] two

[01:09:57] vehicles

[01:09:58] middle

[01:09:58] of the

[01:09:58] road

[01:09:58] engine

[01:09:59] 7-1

[01:09:59] will

[01:10:00] have

[01:10:00] the

[01:10:00] whatever

[01:10:01] road

[01:10:01] command

[01:10:02] and

[01:10:03] almost

[01:10:04] to contradict

[01:10:04] you

[01:10:05] you

[01:10:05] you're

[01:10:05] not

[01:10:06] in

[01:10:06] command

[01:10:06] law

[01:10:07] enforcement

[01:10:07] doesn't

[01:10:08] really

[01:10:08] do

[01:10:09] IMS

[01:10:10] and

[01:10:10] that's

[01:10:10] one of

[01:10:11] my

[01:10:11] whole

[01:10:11] things

[01:10:11] is

[01:10:11] to

[01:10:13] in

[01:10:13] 90%

[01:10:14] of

[01:10:14] situations

[01:10:14] it's

[01:10:15] not

[01:10:15] really

[01:10:15] needed

[01:10:15] and

[01:10:16] it

[01:10:16] adds

[01:10:17] complexity

[01:10:17] for

[01:10:18] no

[01:10:18] reason

[01:10:19] we

[01:10:20] can

[01:10:20] go

[01:10:20] down

[01:10:20] that

[01:10:21] rabbit

[01:10:21] hole

[01:10:21] too

[01:10:22] Taylor

[01:10:22] between

[01:10:23] command

[01:10:23] between

[01:10:24] law

[01:10:24] enforcement

[01:10:24] and

[01:10:24] fire

[01:10:25] because

[01:10:25] there's

[01:10:25] always

[01:10:25] pissing

[01:10:26] matches

[01:10:26] between

[01:10:26] the

[01:10:27] two

[01:10:28] always

[01:10:28] what

[01:10:29] always

[01:10:30] yes

[01:10:31] and

[01:10:32] I

[01:10:36] we

[01:10:37] should

[01:10:37] strict

[01:10:37] that

[01:10:37] entire

[01:10:38] phrase

[01:10:39] from

[01:10:39] the

[01:10:40] English

[01:10:40] dictionary

[01:10:40] because

[01:10:41] it's

[01:10:41] not

[01:10:41] that

[01:10:41] common

[01:10:42] anymore

[01:10:42] but

[01:10:43] the

[01:10:43] other

[01:10:43] problem

[01:10:43] I

[01:10:43] find

[01:10:43] is

[01:10:44] that

[01:10:44] I

[01:10:44] find

[01:10:45] this

[01:10:45] more

[01:10:45] prevalent

[01:10:46] when you're

[01:10:46] dealing

[01:10:46] with a

[01:10:46] person

[01:10:47] who's

[01:10:47] not

[01:10:47] really

[01:10:47] confident

[01:10:48] in

[01:10:48] their

[01:10:49] craft

[01:10:49] but

[01:10:50] sometimes

[01:10:50] you'll

[01:10:50] get

[01:10:50] a

[01:10:51] situation

[01:10:51] where

[01:10:52] a

[01:10:52] person

[01:10:52] applies

[01:10:53] the

[01:10:53] way

[01:10:53] it's

[01:10:54] supposed

[01:10:54] to be

[01:10:54] done

[01:10:54] like

[01:10:55] incident

[01:10:55] command

[01:10:55] to a

[01:10:56] situation

[01:10:56] where

[01:10:57] it's

[01:10:57] probably

[01:10:57] not

[01:10:57] required

[01:10:58] because

[01:10:58] that's

[01:10:58] the

[01:10:59] way

[01:10:59] they

[01:10:59] know

[01:10:59] to

[01:10:59] do

[01:11:00] it

[01:11:00] so

[01:11:01] one

[01:11:02] of

[01:11:02] the

[01:11:02] things

[01:11:02] we

[01:11:02] faced

[01:11:03] a lot

[01:11:03] in

[01:11:03] the

[01:11:03] military

[01:11:03] was

[01:11:04] this

[01:11:04] idea

[01:11:04] that

[01:11:04] you

[01:11:04] will

[01:11:05] always

[01:11:05] collapse

[01:11:05] down

[01:11:06] to

[01:11:06] your

[01:11:06] lowest

[01:11:06] level

[01:11:07] of

[01:11:07] full

[01:11:07] training

[01:11:08] or

[01:11:09] your

[01:11:09] lowest

[01:11:09] level

[01:11:09] of

[01:11:09] competence

[01:11:10] in other

[01:11:10] words

[01:11:10] if I'm

[01:11:11] really

[01:11:11] good

[01:11:11] at

[01:11:11] this

[01:11:11] skill

[01:11:12] but

[01:11:12] when

[01:11:14] everything

[01:11:15] goes to

[01:11:15] hell

[01:11:15] in a

[01:11:15] hand

[01:11:16] basket

[01:11:16] I'm

[01:11:16] going

[01:11:16] to

[01:11:16] collapse

[01:11:17] back

[01:11:17] down

[01:11:17] to

[01:11:17] the

[01:11:17] stupid

[01:11:18] stuff

[01:11:18] I

[01:11:18] learned

[01:11:18] as

[01:11:18] privates

[01:11:21] because

[01:11:22] that's

[01:11:28] the

[01:11:29] work

[01:11:29] because

[01:11:30] that's

[01:11:31] the

[01:11:31] way

[01:11:31] they

[01:11:31] know

[01:11:31] to

[01:11:31] do

[01:11:31] it

[01:11:32] that's

[01:11:32] the

[01:11:32] square

[01:11:33] peg

[01:11:34] they're

[01:11:34] going

[01:11:35] to

[01:11:35] shove

[01:11:35] in

[01:11:38] IMS

[01:11:39] for

[01:11:39] a

[01:11:40] very

[01:11:40] small

[01:11:40] scale

[01:11:41] incident

[01:11:43] or

[01:11:43] even

[01:11:44] if it's

[01:11:44] not

[01:11:44] small

[01:11:44] scale

[01:11:45] a

[01:11:45] very

[01:11:45] fluid

[01:11:46] incident

[01:11:46] because

[01:11:47] one

[01:11:47] and

[01:11:48] again

[01:11:49] I

[01:11:49] spent

[01:11:50] a

[01:11:50] short

[01:11:50] time

[01:11:50] in

[01:11:50] the

[01:11:50] military

[01:11:51] I

[01:11:51] learned

[01:11:51] very

[01:11:51] fast

[01:11:52] that

[01:11:52] as

[01:11:52] much

[01:11:52] as

[01:11:52] I

[01:11:52] love

[01:11:53] my

[01:11:53] army

[01:11:53] it

[01:11:54] is

[01:11:54] a

[01:11:54] bureaucracy

[01:11:54] at

[01:11:55] heart

[01:11:55] and

[01:11:56] bureaucracies

[01:11:56] excel

[01:11:57] at doing

[01:11:57] a

[01:11:58] fixed

[01:11:58] number

[01:11:58] of

[01:11:58] things

[01:11:59] semi

[01:11:59] efficiently

[01:12:00] they

[01:12:00] do

[01:12:01] not

[01:12:01] excel

[01:12:01] at

[01:12:01] handling

[01:12:02] unique

[01:12:02] or

[01:12:02] new

[01:12:03] situations

[01:12:04] so

[01:12:04] a

[01:12:04] lot

[01:12:05] of

[01:12:05] times

[01:12:05] when

[01:12:05] you

[01:12:05] have

[01:12:05] this

[01:12:05] highly

[01:12:06] bureaucratic

[01:12:06] very

[01:12:07] rigid

[01:12:07] system

[01:12:08] and

[01:12:08] you

[01:12:08] throw

[01:12:09] a

[01:12:09] monkey

[01:12:09] wrench

[01:12:10] into

[01:12:10] it

[01:12:10] the

[01:12:11] whole

[01:12:11] thing

[01:12:11] jams

[01:12:12] because

[01:12:12] you're

[01:12:12] asking

[01:12:13] it

[01:12:13] to

[01:12:13] do

[01:12:13] a

[01:12:14] thing

[01:12:14] it

[01:12:14] has

[01:12:14] never

[01:12:14] done

[01:12:15] before

[01:12:15] and

[01:12:15] never

[01:12:15] encountered

[01:12:16] before

[01:12:16] and

[01:12:17] it

[01:12:17] will

[01:12:17] just

[01:12:18] freeze

[01:12:18] while

[01:12:19] it

[01:12:19] tries

[01:12:19] to

[01:12:19] figure

[01:12:19] out

[01:12:19] what's

[01:12:20] going

[01:12:20] on

[01:12:22] it

[01:12:22] it's

[01:12:22] the

[01:12:23] ultimate

[01:12:23] it's

[01:12:24] the

[01:12:24] it's

[01:12:24] the

[01:12:25] it's

[01:12:25] my

[01:12:25] ultimate

[01:12:25] plea

[01:12:26] to

[01:12:26] always

[01:12:26] tell

[01:12:26] people

[01:12:27] like

[01:12:27] stop

[01:12:27] trying

[01:12:28] to

[01:12:28] shove

[01:12:28] the

[01:12:28] square

[01:12:29] peg

[01:12:29] into

[01:12:29] the

[01:12:29] round

[01:12:29] hole

[01:12:30] when

[01:12:30] what

[01:12:30] you

[01:12:31] need

[01:12:31] to

[01:12:31] do

[01:12:31] is

[01:12:31] find

[01:12:31] a

[01:12:32] round

[01:12:32] peg

[01:12:32] you know

[01:12:33] just

[01:12:33] like

[01:12:33] assess

[01:12:34] the

[01:12:34] situation

[01:12:34] and

[01:12:34] find

[01:12:35] the

[01:12:35] tool

[01:12:35] that

[01:12:35] works

[01:12:35] best

[01:12:36] for

[01:12:36] it

[01:12:37] and

[01:12:38] be

[01:12:39] agnostic

[01:12:39] enough

[01:12:40] that

[01:12:40] no matter

[01:12:40] what

[01:12:41] the

[01:12:41] situation

[01:12:41] calls

[01:12:41] for

[01:12:42] you'll

[01:12:42] go

[01:12:42] find

[01:12:42] that

[01:12:51] we

[01:12:52] should

[01:12:52] never

[01:12:52] lose

[01:12:53] sight

[01:12:53] that

[01:12:53] the

[01:12:53] incident

[01:12:54] is

[01:12:54] not

[01:12:55] the

[01:12:55] need

[01:12:55] to

[01:12:55] talk

[01:12:55] on

[01:12:56] the

[01:12:56] radio

[01:12:56] so

[01:12:57] we

[01:12:57] need

[01:12:57] to

[01:12:57] keep

[01:12:57] it

[01:12:57] in

[01:12:57] perspective

[01:12:58] of

[01:12:58] the

[01:12:58] incident

[01:12:58] is

[01:12:59] some

[01:12:59] other

[01:12:59] task

[01:12:59] that

[01:12:59] needs

[01:13:00] to be

[01:13:01] managed

[01:13:02] but

[01:13:03] radios

[01:13:04] support

[01:13:04] that

[01:13:04] mission

[01:13:05] they're

[01:13:05] not

[01:13:05] the

[01:13:05] mission

[01:13:05] and

[01:13:06] I

[01:13:06] think

[01:13:08] if

[01:13:09] we

[01:13:10] right

[01:13:11] and

[01:13:12] that's

[01:13:12] kind

[01:13:12] of a

[01:13:12] wrong

[01:13:13] attitude

[01:13:13] to

[01:13:13] have

[01:13:14] I

[01:13:20] we

[01:13:20] love

[01:13:20] radios

[01:13:21] I

[01:13:21] think

[01:13:21] everybody

[01:13:21] here

[01:13:22] just

[01:13:22] loves

[01:13:22] radios

[01:13:23] and

[01:13:24] the

[01:13:24] nerdy

[01:13:25] nature

[01:13:25] of

[01:13:25] it

[01:13:27] well

[01:13:27] and

[01:13:27] where

[01:13:27] can

[01:13:27] you

[01:13:28] incorporate

[01:13:28] it

[01:13:28] when

[01:13:28] you

[01:13:28] have

[01:13:29] knowledge

[01:13:29] behind

[01:13:29] it

[01:13:50] it

[01:13:50] is

[01:13:51] vital

[01:13:52] where

[01:13:52] appropriate

[01:13:53] you

[01:13:53] know

[01:13:53] if

[01:13:54] you're

[01:13:54] talking

[01:13:54] if

[01:13:54] you're

[01:13:55] saying

[01:13:55] a

[01:13:55] two

[01:13:55] second

[01:13:56] sentence

[01:13:56] you're

[01:13:56] trying

[01:13:56] to

[01:13:56] say

[01:13:57] okay

[01:13:57] there's

[01:13:58] no

[01:13:58] reason

[01:13:58] to

[01:13:58] take

[01:13:58] that

[01:13:58] out

[01:13:59] put

[01:13:59] it

[01:14:24] this

[01:14:24] year

[01:14:26] if

[01:14:26] you're

[01:14:27] set

[01:14:27] up

[01:14:27] in

[01:14:27] a

[01:14:28] command

[01:14:28] post

[01:14:28] and

[01:14:29] you

[01:14:29] have

[01:14:29] no

[01:14:29] other

[01:14:29] means

[01:14:30] of

[01:14:30] communicating

[01:14:30] with

[01:14:31] your

[01:14:31] organization

[01:14:32] outside

[01:14:32] of

[01:14:33] that

[01:14:33] area

[01:14:33] say

[01:14:34] two

[01:14:34] or

[01:14:34] three

[01:14:34] states

[01:14:35] away

[01:14:35] I

[01:14:36] think

[01:14:36] that

[01:14:36] might

[01:14:36] be

[01:14:37] a

[01:14:37] very

[01:14:37] good

[01:14:38] thing

[01:14:39] to

[01:14:39] be

[01:14:39] able

[01:14:39] to

[01:14:40] have

[01:14:40] that

[01:14:40] link

[01:14:41] established

[01:14:41] on

[01:14:41] HF

[01:14:42] to

[01:14:42] be

[01:14:42] able

[01:14:42] to

[01:14:42] say

[01:14:42] hey

[01:14:42] we

[01:14:43] need

[01:14:44] 25

[01:14:45] pallets

[01:14:46] of

[01:14:54] but

[01:14:55] I

[01:14:55] think

[01:14:55] a lot

[01:14:56] of

[01:14:56] the

[01:14:57] like

[01:14:57] with

[01:14:57] FEMA

[01:14:58] they

[01:14:58] have

[01:14:58] the

[01:14:59] infrastructure

[01:14:59] and

[01:15:00] whatnot

[01:15:01] to be

[01:15:02] able to

[01:15:02] facilitate

[01:15:02] that

[01:15:03] without

[01:15:03] the

[01:15:03] radio

[01:15:03] they

[01:15:04] bring

[01:15:04] in

[01:15:04] their

[01:15:04] own

[01:15:05] cell

[01:15:05] towers

[01:15:05] their

[01:15:06] own

[01:15:06] internet

[01:15:08] but

[01:15:09] that's

[01:15:10] just

[01:15:10] another

[01:15:10] tool

[01:15:11] in

[01:15:11] the

[01:15:11] bag

[01:15:11] is

[01:15:11] all

[01:15:11] HF

[01:15:12] is

[01:15:12] for

[01:15:12] bringing

[01:15:13] in

[01:15:13] outside

[01:15:14] resources

[01:15:15] well

[01:15:16] and

[01:15:16] I

[01:15:16] think

[01:15:16] what

[01:15:17] you

[01:15:17] said

[01:15:17] the

[01:15:17] hurricanes

[01:15:18] and

[01:15:18] stuff

[01:15:18] too

[01:15:18] there

[01:15:18] is

[01:15:18] no

[01:15:19] matter

[01:15:20] which

[01:15:21] as far

[01:15:21] as

[01:15:21] HF

[01:15:22] goes

[01:15:22] the

[01:15:22] Nellie

[01:15:22] wildfires

[01:15:23] are

[01:15:23] the

[01:15:23] perfect

[01:15:23] example

[01:15:23] you're

[01:15:24] literally

[01:15:24] on

[01:15:24] an

[01:15:25] island

[01:15:25] hundreds

[01:15:26] of

[01:15:26] miles

[01:15:26] off

[01:15:26] the

[01:15:26] coast

[01:15:27] you

[01:15:27] need

[01:15:27] to

[01:15:27] get

[01:15:27] back

[01:15:27] to

[01:15:28] the

[01:15:28] mainland

[01:15:29] somehow

[01:15:30] but

[01:15:31] further

[01:15:32] to

[01:15:32] that

[01:15:33] one

[01:15:35] the

[01:15:35] things

[01:15:36] with

[01:15:36] all

[01:15:36] these

[01:15:36] emergency

[01:15:37] communications

[01:15:39] groups

[01:15:39] and

[01:15:40] systems

[01:15:40] and

[01:15:40] implementation

[01:15:41] that

[01:15:41] has

[01:15:42] to be

[01:15:42] acknowledged

[01:15:42] is

[01:15:42] the

[01:15:42] fact

[01:15:43] of

[01:15:43] we

[01:15:44] always

[01:15:44] talk

[01:15:44] about

[01:15:44] pace

[01:15:45] and

[01:15:45] redundancy

[01:15:45] and

[01:15:45] this

[01:15:45] and

[01:15:46] that

[01:15:46] but

[01:15:47] when

[01:15:47] it

[01:15:47] comes

[01:15:47] to

[01:15:48] communications

[01:15:48] there

[01:15:52] in

[01:15:53] the

[01:15:53] actual

[01:15:53] messages

[01:15:54] coming

[01:15:54] across

[01:15:54] for

[01:15:55] example

[01:15:55] hey

[01:15:56] if

[01:15:56] I

[01:15:57] tell

[01:15:57] you

[01:15:57] over

[01:15:57] HF

[01:15:58] hey

[01:15:58] I

[01:15:58] need

[01:15:58] 25

[01:15:59] pallets

[01:15:59] of

[01:15:59] water

[01:15:59] but

[01:16:00] then

[01:16:00] I

[01:16:01] also

[01:16:01] tell

[01:16:01] the

[01:16:01] guy

[01:16:22] from

[01:16:23] the

[01:16:23] emergency

[01:16:24] preparedness

[01:16:26] MCOM

[01:16:27] base

[01:16:28] type

[01:16:28] systems

[01:16:29] where

[01:16:29] again

[01:16:30] Helene

[01:16:30] is

[01:16:30] the

[01:16:30] example

[01:16:31] you

[01:16:31] had

[01:16:32] an

[01:16:32] entirely

[01:16:33] civilian

[01:16:33] base

[01:16:34] command

[01:16:34] structure

[01:16:35] established

[01:16:37] we need

[01:16:38] to acknowledge

[01:16:39] that those

[01:16:39] can exist

[01:16:40] and pre

[01:16:41] plan

[01:16:41] that

[01:16:41] to

[01:16:41] the

[01:16:41] fact

[01:16:41] that

[01:16:42] there

[01:16:42] is

[01:16:42] one

[01:16:43] central

[01:16:44] point

[01:16:44] that

[01:16:44] will

[01:16:44] prevail

[01:16:45] that

[01:16:46] everybody

[01:16:46] knows

[01:16:47] that

[01:16:47] it

[01:16:47] has

[01:16:47] to

[01:16:47] go

[01:16:48] through

[01:16:49] this

[01:16:49] and

[01:16:49] then

[01:16:49] be

[01:16:49] disseminated

[01:16:50] so

[01:16:53] I

[01:16:53] got

[01:16:53] a

[01:16:53] chance

[01:16:53] to

[01:16:54] the

[01:16:54] owner

[01:16:55] of

[01:16:55] a

[01:16:55] tender

[01:16:55] company

[01:16:57] coordinate

[01:16:59] a

[01:16:59] response

[01:17:00] for

[01:17:01] tender

[01:17:01] to

[01:17:02] go

[01:17:02] to

[01:17:02] a

[01:17:02] fire

[01:17:03] near

[01:17:03] Reno

[01:17:03] and

[01:17:04] we

[01:17:04] were

[01:17:04] in

[01:17:04] Idaho

[01:17:04] and

[01:17:05] none

[01:17:06] of

[01:17:06] us

[01:17:06] had

[01:17:06] satellite

[01:17:07] on

[01:17:07] this

[01:17:08] incident

[01:17:08] he

[01:17:09] means

[01:17:10] water

[01:17:11] tender

[01:17:11] which

[01:17:11] is

[01:17:11] a

[01:17:11] tanker

[01:17:12] I

[01:17:15] thought

[01:17:15] tanker

[01:17:16] was

[01:17:16] an

[01:17:16] aircraft

[01:17:16] yeah

[01:17:17] when

[01:17:52] tender

[01:17:54] was

[01:17:54] I

[01:17:54] would

[01:17:54] consider

[01:17:55] that

[01:17:55] an

[01:17:56] emergency

[01:17:57] but

[01:17:57] it

[01:17:58] had

[01:17:58] a

[01:17:58] role

[01:17:59] in

[01:17:59] managing

[01:17:59] the

[01:18:00] duration

[01:18:00] of

[01:18:00] the

[01:18:00] incident

[01:18:01] that

[01:18:01] is

[01:18:01] the

[01:18:01] next

[01:18:02] step

[01:18:03] in

[01:18:03] that

[01:18:03] APCO

[01:18:03] communication

[01:18:04] cycle

[01:18:05] after

[01:18:05] the

[01:18:06] alarm

[01:18:07] and the

[01:18:07] response

[01:18:07] and there's

[01:18:08] that

[01:18:08] duration

[01:18:08] of the

[01:18:09] incident

[01:18:09] prior to

[01:18:10] the

[01:18:10] resolution

[01:18:10] of the

[01:18:10] incident

[01:18:11] and so

[01:18:11] I

[01:18:11] think

[01:18:11] that's

[01:18:12] probably

[01:18:12] where

[01:18:12] HF

[01:18:12] shines

[01:18:13] the

[01:18:13] most

[01:18:13] in

[01:18:13] those

[01:18:14] resource

[01:18:15] requests

[01:18:16] like you're

[01:18:16] talking about

[01:18:16] Jared

[01:18:17] yes

[01:18:19] I mean

[01:18:20] everything

[01:18:20] has its

[01:18:20] place

[01:18:21] and

[01:18:21] everything

[01:18:22] doesn't

[01:18:23] have a

[01:18:23] place

[01:18:23] either

[01:18:24] in

[01:18:24] situations

[01:18:26] depending

[01:18:32] well

[01:18:32] I've

[01:18:33] really

[01:18:33] learned

[01:18:34] a lot

[01:18:34] tonight

[01:18:35] because

[01:18:35] I thought

[01:18:36] HF

[01:18:36] was only

[01:18:37] really

[01:18:37] used

[01:18:37] for

[01:18:38] telling

[01:18:39] each

[01:18:39] other

[01:18:40] signal

[01:18:40] reports

[01:18:40] and

[01:18:41] sharing

[01:18:42] medical

[01:18:43] ailments

[01:18:43] like

[01:18:43] Crohn's

[01:18:44] disease

[01:18:44] and

[01:18:44] if

[01:18:46] you're

[01:18:46] going

[01:18:47] to

[01:18:47] get

[01:18:47] a

[01:18:47] colonoscopy

[01:18:48] yeah

[01:18:48] you

[01:18:48] need

[01:18:49] to

[01:18:49] let

[01:18:49] people

[01:18:49] know

[01:18:49] on

[01:18:49] HF

[01:18:50] if

[01:18:50] you're

[01:18:51] going

[01:18:51] to

[01:18:51] get

[01:18:51] your

[01:18:51] liquids

[01:18:53] I think

[01:18:54] everybody

[01:18:54] here

[01:18:55] and everybody

[01:18:55] probably

[01:18:56] watching

[01:18:56] this

[01:18:56] is

[01:18:57] you know

[01:18:57] there

[01:18:58] are

[01:18:58] your

[01:18:58] there

[01:18:59] are

[01:18:59] your

[01:19:00] traditional

[01:19:00] ham

[01:19:01] guys

[01:19:01] which

[01:19:02] are

[01:19:02] into

[01:19:02] building

[01:19:03] antennas

[01:19:32] and

[01:19:34] needs

[01:19:34] to

[01:19:36] find

[01:19:37] its

[01:19:37] own

[01:19:37] way

[01:19:37] so

[01:19:38] that

[01:19:39] hey

[01:19:39] listen

[01:19:39] you

[01:19:39] guys

[01:19:40] are

[01:19:40] into

[01:19:40] doing

[01:19:40] what

[01:19:40] you're

[01:19:41] doing

[01:19:41] that's

[01:19:41] great

[01:19:41] but

[01:19:42] if

[01:19:43] we

[01:19:43] host

[01:19:43] a

[01:19:43] net

[01:19:44] our

[01:19:45] net

[01:19:45] is

[01:19:45] going

[01:19:46] to

[01:19:46] be

[01:19:46] information

[01:19:47] based

[01:19:47] and

[01:19:48] information

[01:19:48] sharing

[01:19:49] not

[01:19:49] how's

[01:19:50] the

[01:19:50] weather

[01:19:51] in

[01:19:51] wherever

[01:19:52] you are

[01:19:56] okay

[01:19:56] so

[01:19:57] I just

[01:19:57] saw

[01:19:57] a comment

[01:19:58] come in

[01:19:58] from

[01:19:58] PNW

[01:19:59] minute

[01:19:59] man

[01:20:00] need

[01:20:01] to look

[01:20:01] at

[01:20:01] HF

[01:20:01] in

[01:20:01] the

[01:20:02] Katrina

[01:20:02] events

[01:20:02] save

[01:20:03] lives

[01:20:03] that

[01:20:03] ain't

[01:20:03] mcoms

[01:20:04] I don't

[01:20:04] know

[01:20:04] what

[01:20:04] I tried

[01:20:05] I'm going to tell you

[01:20:06] something

[01:20:06] so

[01:20:07] I'm going to tell you

[01:20:08] something that I know

[01:20:10] because I live

[01:20:12] 25 miles from

[01:20:13] the New Orleans

[01:20:14] and I was here

[01:20:15] in Louisiana

[01:20:15] National Guard

[01:20:16] where Katrina

[01:20:16] happened

[01:20:17] and my father

[01:20:18] has been a ham

[01:20:19] radio operator

[01:20:20] since before I was

[01:20:21] thought of

[01:20:21] so

[01:20:22] I know this

[01:20:23] second hand

[01:20:24] but give me that

[01:20:25] but there were a couple

[01:20:27] of local repeater owners

[01:20:28] on ham frequencies

[01:20:30] that changed the

[01:20:31] tones on their

[01:20:32] repeaters

[01:20:33] because they were

[01:20:34] getting too much

[01:20:34] traffic for

[01:20:35] emergency purposes

[01:20:36] during the storm

[01:20:38] you've got to be

[01:20:39] now I'm not saying

[01:20:40] that's across the board

[01:20:41] I don't want to cast that

[01:20:42] as like a disparagement

[01:20:43] against the entire

[01:20:44] ham community

[01:20:45] I'm just going to

[01:20:46] illustrate two things

[01:20:47] with that

[01:20:47] first of all

[01:20:48] to Taylor's point

[01:20:49] yes

[01:20:49] there is a sizable

[01:20:51] segment of the ham

[01:20:52] community

[01:20:52] that it's a hobby

[01:20:53] it's their little

[01:20:54] playground

[01:20:55] and they don't want

[01:20:56] the emergency guys

[01:20:58] the preppers

[01:20:59] or anybody else

[01:21:00] playing in their

[01:21:00] sandbox that doesn't

[01:21:01] do ham the way

[01:21:02] they think it should

[01:21:03] be done

[01:21:03] same applies to

[01:21:04] GMRS by the way

[01:21:05] I've gotten that

[01:21:06] six ways from

[01:21:07] Sunday from that

[01:21:07] community

[01:21:08] because I come

[01:21:09] from the land

[01:21:10] of the crazy

[01:21:11] tinfoil hat people

[01:21:12] but I would also

[01:21:13] like to point out

[01:21:14] that this is the

[01:21:15] reason why

[01:21:16] I always tell people

[01:21:17] I'm like

[01:21:17] if part of your

[01:21:18] communications plan

[01:21:19] in the event of an

[01:21:20] emergency depends

[01:21:21] on those repeaters

[01:21:22] you need to start

[01:21:23] looking at alternate

[01:21:24] methods

[01:21:25] because like

[01:21:26] part of the reason

[01:21:27] you know

[01:21:27] Terrence and I

[01:21:28] have talked

[01:21:28] at length

[01:21:29] about this man pack

[01:21:30] that I built

[01:21:30] and part of what

[01:21:31] I built into it

[01:21:32] was kind of

[01:21:32] quasi repeater

[01:21:33] heater abilities

[01:21:34] because I was

[01:21:35] looking to be able

[01:21:36] to stretch out

[01:21:37] the legs

[01:21:37] on a bunch

[01:21:38] of handhelds

[01:21:38] so I've got a

[01:21:39] 40 foot mast

[01:21:40] and a high gain

[01:21:41] antenna and a couple

[01:21:41] other things

[01:21:44] a parrot

[01:21:45] a store forward

[01:21:46] repeater

[01:21:48] for no other

[01:21:49] reason

[01:21:49] a 40 foot antenna

[01:21:50] is not going to

[01:21:51] give me like

[01:21:52] 40 miles of range

[01:21:53] that's not the point

[01:21:54] the point is

[01:21:55] if that repeater

[01:21:56] that's 600 feet

[01:21:57] up in the air

[01:21:57] the next town over

[01:21:58] goes down

[01:21:59] this is going to

[01:22:00] let me use my

[01:22:01] radios in a much

[01:22:02] wider swath

[01:22:03] than I would get

[01:22:03] if I was just

[01:22:04] in simplex

[01:22:05] I just

[01:22:06] it really is one

[01:22:07] of those situations

[01:22:07] where like

[01:22:08] yes I do think

[01:22:09] it's important

[01:22:09] that we integrate

[01:22:10] into those communities

[01:22:11] because they have

[01:22:12] capabilities

[01:22:12] and there's gear

[01:22:13] there that we

[01:22:13] want to use

[01:22:14] for our purposes

[01:22:15] but we also

[01:22:16] need to be

[01:22:16] very very aware

[01:22:18] of the fact

[01:22:18] that these communities

[01:22:19] are not always

[01:22:20] welcoming

[01:22:20] to people that

[01:22:21] don't do ham

[01:22:22] the way they want

[01:22:23] and listen

[01:22:24] and to that

[01:22:24] I would obviously

[01:22:25] never advocate

[01:22:26] for any illegal

[01:22:26] activity to

[01:22:27] take place

[01:22:28] or condone

[01:22:29] any sort of

[01:22:29] illegal activity

[01:22:30] but

[01:22:32] if you are

[01:22:32] one of those

[01:22:33] people that does

[01:22:33] that

[01:22:34] I hope your

[01:22:35] antenna gets

[01:22:35] struck by lightning

[01:22:37] because

[01:22:38] karma is a bitch

[01:22:39] and there is

[01:22:40] no need

[01:22:41] in an emergency

[01:22:42] situation

[01:22:43] for you

[01:22:44] to try to

[01:22:44] flex your mic

[01:22:45] that you

[01:22:46] took a test

[01:22:47] and paid

[01:22:47] $35

[01:22:47] like

[01:22:50] you should be

[01:22:50] dealt with

[01:22:51] later

[01:22:52] yes

[01:22:54] I would also

[01:22:54] just point out

[01:22:55] that

[01:22:56] a lot of

[01:22:57] radios are

[01:22:58] capable of

[01:22:58] tone scanning

[01:22:59] you should learn

[01:23:00] how to do that

[01:23:00] it's kind of

[01:23:01] fun

[01:23:01] when your

[01:23:02] repeater owner

[01:23:02] wants to play

[01:23:03] peekaboo

[01:23:04] and you get

[01:23:04] to play

[01:23:05] peekaboo

[01:23:05] with him

[01:23:06] it's not

[01:23:06] hard

[01:23:08] no

[01:23:08] it's

[01:23:09] but that goes

[01:23:10] to the point

[01:23:10] of we were

[01:23:11] talking earlier

[01:23:11] about how

[01:23:12] the equipment

[01:23:12] is only as

[01:23:13] useful as

[01:23:13] the operator

[01:23:14] is trained

[01:23:15] and there are

[01:23:15] a ton of

[01:23:17] people out

[01:23:18] there with

[01:23:18] radios on

[01:23:19] their hips

[01:23:19] that do not

[01:23:20] know how

[01:23:20] to manually

[01:23:20] program them

[01:23:21] they don't

[01:23:21] know how

[01:23:22] to manually

[01:23:22] scan frequencies

[01:23:23] they don't

[01:23:23] know how

[01:23:24] to scan

[01:23:24] tones

[01:23:25] it's a skill

[01:23:26] set to learn

[01:23:26] how to do

[01:23:27] a lot of

[01:23:27] these things

[01:23:27] from the

[01:23:28] faceplate

[01:23:28] like I'll

[01:23:29] be the first

[01:23:29] to admit

[01:23:29] I'm very

[01:23:30] spoiled

[01:23:30] programming

[01:23:31] radios

[01:23:31] with a

[01:23:32] computer

[01:23:32] it's quick

[01:23:33] it's simple

[01:23:33] and when you

[01:23:34] got four

[01:23:34] of them

[01:23:34] it's a lot

[01:23:35] faster

[01:23:36] but I still

[01:23:36] keep the

[01:23:37] instruction manuals

[01:23:38] for all my

[01:23:38] radios

[01:23:38] with the

[01:23:39] radios

[01:23:40] because I've

[01:23:41] been in that

[01:23:41] situation

[01:23:41] where I found

[01:23:42] out I literally

[01:23:43] I was in the

[01:23:43] next town over

[01:23:44] and I found

[01:23:45] out about a

[01:23:45] new repeater

[01:23:45] that came

[01:23:46] online

[01:23:46] so I got

[01:23:47] the tone

[01:23:48] and the

[01:23:48] frequencies

[01:23:49] pulled the

[01:23:50] manual out of

[01:23:50] the center

[01:23:50] console of

[01:23:51] my truck

[01:23:51] and popped

[01:23:52] a new

[01:23:52] frequency

[01:23:52] into my

[01:23:53] truck right

[01:23:53] there on

[01:23:54] the side

[01:23:54] of the

[01:23:54] road

[01:23:55] but most

[01:23:56] people don't

[01:23:56] know how

[01:23:56] to do

[01:23:57] that

[01:23:58] so I

[01:23:58] tried really

[01:23:59] hard to

[01:24:00] find

[01:24:02] nice

[01:24:04] I tried

[01:24:04] really hard

[01:24:05] to find

[01:24:05] the

[01:24:06] after action

[01:24:07] for

[01:24:07] Hurricane

[01:24:07] Katrina

[01:24:08] from a

[01:24:08] radio

[01:24:09] communications

[01:24:10] perspective

[01:24:10] and the

[01:24:11] only thing

[01:24:11] I could

[01:24:11] find

[01:24:12] was that

[01:24:12] some

[01:24:12] Ares

[01:24:13] members

[01:24:13] had

[01:24:14] staffed

[01:24:15] a

[01:24:16] shelter

[01:24:17] and it

[01:24:18] wasn't

[01:24:18] anything

[01:24:18] radio

[01:24:19] related

[01:24:19] so if

[01:24:19] you've

[01:24:20] got some

[01:24:20] information

[01:24:20] I am

[01:24:21] 100%

[01:24:22] interested

[01:24:22] in reading

[01:24:23] it

[01:24:23] if you've

[01:24:23] got a

[01:24:24] link

[01:24:24] please

[01:24:24] drop

[01:24:24] it

[01:24:25] in the

[01:24:25] comments

[01:24:25] so I

[01:24:26] can

[01:24:26] take a

[01:24:26] look

[01:24:26] I'm

[01:24:27] really

[01:24:27] looking

[01:24:27] forward

[01:24:28] to

[01:24:28] an

[01:24:28] after

[01:24:28] action

[01:24:28] from

[01:24:29] this

[01:24:30] hurricane

[01:24:30] season

[01:24:30] as well

[01:24:31] I know

[01:24:31] they had

[01:24:31] that

[01:24:31] storm

[01:24:32] net

[01:24:32] I

[01:24:33] listened

[01:24:33] in for

[01:24:33] a

[01:24:33] little

[01:24:33] bit

[01:24:34] but

[01:24:34] all

[01:24:34] they

[01:24:34] were

[01:24:34] doing

[01:24:35] was

[01:24:35] exchanging

[01:24:36] weather

[01:24:36] reports

[01:24:37] they

[01:24:37] weren't

[01:24:37] requesting

[01:24:38] supplies

[01:24:39] or

[01:24:39] anything

[01:24:40] weird

[01:24:55] I

[01:24:55] can

[01:24:56] tell

[01:24:56] you

[01:24:57] with

[01:24:58] fair

[01:24:58] certainty

[01:24:58] I

[01:24:59] got

[01:24:59] this

[01:24:59] second

[01:24:59] hand

[01:25:00] from

[01:25:00] a

[01:25:00] reliable

[01:25:00] source

[01:25:01] that

[01:25:01] I

[01:25:01] would

[01:25:01] trust

[01:25:02] to

[01:25:02] shoot

[01:25:02] my

[01:25:02] mouth

[01:25:03] off

[01:25:03] but

[01:25:04] I

[01:25:04] do

[01:25:04] know

[01:25:04] that

[01:25:04] in

[01:25:04] Hurricane

[01:25:05] Helene

[01:25:05] up

[01:25:05] in

[01:25:06] the

[01:25:06] Appalachians

[01:25:06] there

[01:25:07] were

[01:25:07] a

[01:25:07] number

[01:25:08] of

[01:25:08] people

[01:25:09] using

[01:25:09] every

[01:25:10] hand

[01:25:10] frequency

[01:25:11] on

[01:25:11] earth

[01:25:11] and

[01:25:11] GMRS

[01:25:12] to

[01:25:13] call

[01:25:13] for

[01:25:13] help

[01:25:14] to

[01:25:14] some

[01:25:14] of

[01:25:14] these

[01:25:14] communities

[01:25:14] that

[01:25:15] were

[01:25:15] straighted

[01:25:15] up

[01:25:15] in

[01:25:15] the

[01:25:15] mountains

[01:25:15] to

[01:25:16] coordinate

[01:25:16] aid

[01:25:17] to

[01:25:17] coordinate

[01:25:18] resources

[01:25:19] being brought

[01:25:19] in

[01:25:19] fuel

[01:25:20] deliveries

[01:25:20] because

[01:25:20] cell

[01:25:21] phones

[01:25:21] were

[01:25:21] completely

[01:25:22] out

[01:25:22] and

[01:25:22] there

[01:25:22] was

[01:25:22] no

[01:25:22] other

[01:25:22] way

[01:25:23] of

[01:25:23] getting

[01:25:23] signals

[01:25:24] in

[01:25:24] and

[01:25:24] out

[01:25:25] I

[01:25:25] know

[01:25:25] that

[01:25:25] a

[01:25:26] lot

[01:25:26] of

[01:25:26] amateur

[01:25:26] radio

[01:25:27] and

[01:25:27] GMRS

[01:25:27] frequencies

[01:25:28] were

[01:25:28] being

[01:25:28] used

[01:25:29] between

[01:25:29] a

[01:25:30] couple

[01:25:30] of

[01:25:31] civilian

[01:25:31] relief

[01:25:31] groups

[01:25:32] that

[01:25:32] in

[01:25:32] that

[01:25:32] area

[01:25:32] that

[01:25:33] were

[01:25:33] trying to

[01:25:34] figure out

[01:25:34] who was

[01:25:35] still

[01:25:35] alive

[01:25:35] and where

[01:25:36] they

[01:25:36] were

[01:25:36] to

[01:25:37] try to

[01:25:37] find

[01:25:37] these

[01:25:38] communities

[01:25:38] on a

[01:25:38] map

[01:25:39] what I

[01:25:40] heard

[01:25:40] was that

[01:25:40] VHF

[01:25:41] and UHF

[01:25:41] really

[01:25:42] ruled

[01:25:43] the day

[01:25:43] there

[01:25:45] not so

[01:25:45] much

[01:25:45] HF

[01:25:46] so

[01:25:46] I

[01:25:47] don't

[01:25:47] want

[01:25:47] to

[01:25:47] ever

[01:25:47] I'm

[01:25:48] not

[01:25:48] trying

[01:25:48] to

[01:25:48] diminish

[01:25:49] the

[01:25:49] use

[01:25:49] of

[01:25:49] HF

[01:25:50] I

[01:26:09] ask

[01:26:09] if

[01:26:09] anybody

[01:26:09] thinks

[01:26:09] that's

[01:26:10] the

[01:26:10] tail

[01:26:10] wagging

[01:26:11] the

[01:26:11] dog

[01:26:11] because

[01:26:12] y'all

[01:26:13] know

[01:26:13] how

[01:26:14] this

[01:26:14] works

[01:26:14] out

[01:26:14] like

[01:26:15] what

[01:26:15] is

[01:26:15] the

[01:26:15] proportion

[01:26:16] of

[01:26:16] people

[01:26:16] in

[01:26:16] the

[01:26:16] ham