NEW HOST!! Meet Caleb Collier with Church & State

You're listening here, you're paying us back, I think to start out, what makes sense, Caleb, thanks for coming on to the show today. I appreciate it. Is to give a shout out to Elizabeth for kind of connecting us and making this thing happen. Elizabeth over at Mark thirty seven, you, along with your platform at Church and State, are also sort of a part of Mark thirty seven now. Right, Yeah, I just recently started working for Mark thirty seven dot com and a great organization, and we're always pushing people to stop using technology that's designed by the enemy. And that's exactly what your cell phone is, what your laptop is. They're literally designed by people who hate you, hate America, hate Christianity, and we're still using all that stuff and we wonder why we're getting spied on and why they know seem to know everything that that's going on. I mean, we just we just hit the anniversary of J six, you know, just a few days ago. Why do you think the government was able to track all those people? Well, because you were walking around at the Capitol with your cell phone, So it was a real easy thing for them to go in there and be like, yep, you were there. And you went into the capital. Well, we sell products that don't do that. You know that you can actually take charge of your your digital sovereignty. Probably one of my favorite features, James, I know you like this as well. Probably is uh that Duress password. I have a password in my ghost phone that if the whatever alphabet agency scooped me up and said give us your password, I could get them this Dress password and it factory resets my phone. I love that. I didn't even know that was on the phone. Yeah, you're teaching something right here out. Wow. So is that build into the operating system? Is that in settings or something like that, or is that like an app that comes preloaded. No, it's it's in the settings. It has Dress password right there. So maybe when we get offline, I can I can walk you through the process there. Yeah. And that cool. Yeah, we got that and you can. That's part of it, right with these phones? Is it all kinds of little features and things like that. I'll tell you what I I love what Mark thirty seven set out to do. I love with what they're doing, and I think it's an amazing service. Uh. But one of the biggest things that has changed for me because of their phone is just the sheer amount of time I'm on the phone, right, Like my the amount of time I'm on the phone has decreased significantly just because the phone. Now, I guess it depends on how you set your phone up, right, But you know, I've set mine up with so minimal amount of apps and things like that that it's just the phone in my life has decreased exponentially. I don't know about you, but. And I love that because that's It's a similar story we hear from a lot of our customers is that they decrease the amount of time they spend on their phone. And personally, I hate cell phones. I hate what cell phones have done to society. You can go out, James, Like, how many times have you've been at a restaurant and you're with your wife or something, you're on a date, and you look over at the couple next to you and they're not even talking. They're literally both just sit there glued in front of their phone, And like, this is what dating has become. Nobody cares anymore. I mean, it's so sad when you see a you know, a dad or a mom and their kids are running around them and they want their attention, and the parents just sitting there like this, hold on, hold on, I'll get that to that in a minute, you know. And it's like the kids are starving for affection and that parent is glued to the weapon because that's exactly what it is. It's it's weaponized against us. And so because with the ghost phone, you're not putting in the video games, you don't have you know, the X app or the Instagram or on your phone, you're not mindlessly scrolling. Now I can still go to X if I want to on my phone, but I have to go to the Brave search engine, go to X, go log in, and just the fact that I have to do that process keeps me off my phone. Yeah, but that's one of those things that we got tricked into, which and Sean actually kind of awoke me to. It was you could go to everything, every app on your phone you can use through the Brave browser just by going to the website and logging in. There's some features on certain things that you can't do, but for the most part, like you could just log into everything the way we used to before phone apps existed, and it's it's the trickery's amazing. You know, even if everything even if everything was above board in terms of big tech, just like the level of trickery that was put in place to get everybody doing the same exact thing is enough to have us worried and running. In my opinion. You know, I don't know how you feel. No, I'm right there with you, and I gotta tell the audience it's time to take your life back. And it's just like with any addiction. A phone is an addiction, and so just like an alcoholic, a drug addict, you have to make the decision yourself. I'm done with this. I'm done being enslaved to this technology. It was literally weaponized against me, and so I'm gonna put it down. And if you want to look at it this way, you could almost look at Mark thirty seven dot com as like a twelve step program, except there's only one step. Get the ghost phone, and a lot of these issues are going to be taken care of just because you've exited out of you know, the Apple or the Android. No, now you're using something that is intentionally designed to give you back your freedom. Yeah, I think it's cool that they're If you are particularly like tech and climb, you know, because there are people who I think belong, but they're legitimately interested. They belong exploring these different tech alternatives that me not so much show me what app does and if it does what I needed to do good. But there are people out there, and I think what the ghost bone offers to those people? You know, I'm talking the let's line up for the iPhone seventeen eighteen nineteen. You know, these type of people. There's this whole other world in the graphing operating system and all these different you know, apps that you've probably never heard of to explore that get like good content like yours and mind get kind of covered up by all this other stuff. I can't even imagine what kind of nasty tools and technology they use to hide these apps that are all over my phone that I've never heard of till I got a ghost phone, you know what I mean, Because I'm sure it's very similar in censorship, very since similar and sort of blacklisting certain apps or prioritizing apps above others. And you know, you don't see it until you get a ghost phone. Then you go, wow, look at it, you know what I mean. It's so true and I'm just like you. I mean, I'm a marine veteran, so I eat krans, you know, and when it comes to technology, I'm like a look at this rock. You know, I'm not that tech guy. I mean, it's kind of funny that I work for a tech company now, but that is, you know, it is. It's easy to use. If a if a marine veteran who eats crans can use the ghost phone, anyone can. And we have customers that are eighty year old, you know, grandma's that can figure this out. But to what you were talking about with the apps, I mean, think about it, ladies and gentlemen. Every single time you're downloading an app onto your phone, what comes up immediately? Then it wants access to your phone, It wants access to all this information, wants access to your camera, your microphone, and you just and you don't even think about it. You just oh, yeah, yes, because I want to I want to be a ninja and kill some zombies on this video game. It sounds fun, right, And you're literally giving away all your information simply because they dangle that little carrot in front of you. And so when you get the ghost Phone, what you're gonna find is of course obviously more free time. But all the apps that you're accustomed to, you know, maps, your alarm, clock, your calculator, we have all that on the phone. It's just that it's been these apps have been designed where they don't need your information. It's crazy, right, And you know, like I said, I go always go back to sort of the history of it all because I remember going through that everything is free phase, even before the permissions were crazy, you know, I had like there was a time, if you remember, where most apps were free and you just downloaded them on the phone and used them. And it wasn't like you didn't download a video game and be like, we want an access to your photo gallery, you know, and your microphone, Like you just down and then slowly but surely, I don't know if it was part of the strategy or not. If it was, it was brilliant. Just slowly but surely they started asking for a little more and we need a little more and a little more, and all of a sudden that you got used to that I want that app, click download, no questions asked. And that's how we find ourselves in the situation we're in. Right. It's just like any drug dealer, right, Any drug dealer the first time is free, right, because they want you to taste the product. And once you get hooked, now you are paying customer. And that's exactly what they did to us with these applications. You're right. Initially they were free, and they got everybody so used to, Oh, I just get the app and look, how look how wonderful this is, and we stop paying attention to the fact that later on they dropped the bomb on us and now it has access to everything in your phone. As access to everything and as God wonder what percentage of the world population now is completely you know, addicted to their cell phone. I think the vast majority. I mean it's it's incredible, even even for those of us that are aware of it. You know, we can start scrolling and I'll throw myself under the bus. I can get on X and start scrolling and seeing a whole lot of interesting stories, and all of a sudden, I look up. In an hour has gone past crazy, isn't it, And it's it's like whoa what am I doing? You know, and you almost toss the phone away, like get away from me. But I mean the vast majority of certainly Americans, but I would say the world's population is they're just obsessed. They're addicted to their phone. I've James, I've literally seen somebody. I was I was in my car, I was just pulled over doing something, and I watched somebody walk right into a sign, a stop sign, just headfirst into the stop sign because they were staring at their phone and boom, and then they look around and sure enough, I'm pointing at him and laughing because I want them to know I saw that. But yeah, I mean that's where we're at. You got people who are following their maps on their on their car right and driving into lakes or bodies of water. I look up, like you're following the map that closely. Yeah, it's like Simon said, right, yeah, so maybe give us a bit of background, Caleb, about church and state and kind of maybe how you and Mark thirty seven got linked up. Sure, yeah, thank you for the opportunity. I've had an interesting life. I always like to start, and as soon as I start, I'm gonna have to pause because everybody asked questions about this, But I was actually born into a cult. And go ahead and join me again, because I know you have questions. Yeah, yeah, which one. It was a little bit of smaller one. It was in California. Yeah, but born in California. It was part of this weird Jesus freak slash communism. They had a common purse. Everybody lived together and so the men would go out and work and then everybody would contribute to the pot and then the money was distributed to those that needed the most. Very communist in nature. Ultimately, the church, they called it the church, but ultimately it completely collapsed. But we did get visited by representatives of Jim Jones. And so I like to tell everyone that I came this close to drinking the kool aid and I've been rejecting it ever since. Wow. So, so Jim went around to various other cults to sort of recruit I. Guess he did. He sent his people around specifically in this region of California, and yeah, trying to test the waters and see. But I mean, cult leaders are you know, narcissistic. They have large egos, so typically they don't want to get along. They don't want to you know, you know, if they have the power, they're not going to go and join some other cult, a bigger cult that has the power because you know, that's what they're in it for. So ultimately, my parents the whole thing collapsed when I was about two years old. I have no memory of it, but it is it is an interesting start to a life. I'll say. Man, yeah, that's a whole show in and of itself. But good thing you made it out of there. Although maybe not it could have really hammered in some early lessons on how terrible communism is, right, because that I mean inevitably that's every cult and every communist society and history right there, following swiftly by collapse. Yeah, I mean that's the narrative, right. Is is you guys total control all together after that where your parents like, oh, this state is cursed. Yeah, that state is cursed. I like to tell people, James, you remember the Superman movie. I think it was the second one where Lex Luthor had had this plan to put bombs all along the the state divide between Nevada and California and to blow California into the ocean. Yeah. It turns out turns out Lex Luthor wasn't the bad guy in that movie. Ah. Yeah, we could have broke California off altogether. Yeah, floating. We might have had a better country if that would have taken place, would have. Washed ashore like with Hawaii and created something completely new. Yeah, some of utopian states definitely could have been My parents. My dad had a very nomadic spirit. We moved around a lot, and primarily in California. When I was fifteen, I moved up to Washington State. So even though I got out of California, I'm not really in much better of a state here in Washington. I'm still behind enemy lines. Joined the Marine Corps right after high school and served for four years. I was in during nine to eleven, and then ultimately kind of fast forwarding, I was an EMT for a number of years, worked on the ambulance, started to get engaged in politics, became a city councilman for a Spokane valley where I live. And while I was on the city council, I tried to do a well. I did two things that made sure that I would never get elected again. Number One, I tried to make us a Second Amendment sanctuary city. And yeah, I gotta plug you on that, man. That's that's that may be as daring as joining the Marines. To be honest in Washington State. It was. It made me a lot of enemies. Unfortunately, it didn't pass, even though the city council was made up entirely of Republicans. I'm more libertarian or I like to refer to myself as a Bibltarian but ulitarian. I like that. Yeah, Christian libertarian. But yeah, ultimately it didn't pass. But I did that, and then I also fought against a vaccine mandate in the public school system, and ultimately the Republican Party ran somebody against me, and I ended up losing my seat. And that's really how Church and State started. About a week after that, somebody asked me if I'd like to start doing talk radio, and I've been doing that since twenty seventeen. In between that, I worked for the John Birch Society, also worked for Turning Point, specifically the Faith Department, and now working for Mark thirty seven dot com. Nah, that's a nice resume for freedom, I'll tell you that much. Thank you appreciate it, There's. No doubt about it. We appreciate your service too, sir, on both sides a broad end here on the EMS. You know, the EMS guys, they don't get enough credit. I'll tell you for what it is that you have to endure in that situation. It's hard to wrap your head around what it must be like to pop into every other American household, you know what I mean, over a year's time and see what's happening inside here and what's going on, and then also to render aid on top of that. I'm sure. So yeah, much different than the Marines or did you find yourself in a similar headspace different headspace in that game. I mean, there's some similarities and there's some big differences. At number one, the Marines don't have any medical side, right, It's that all comes from the Navy, So any quarman it is going to be with the Navy. So I was in communications while in the Marine Corps, assigned to the infantry units and so. But that mental toughness is definitely something that's similar with the EMS world. Once I got into EMS, as you said, you know, it's you're going to the worst of the worst. I mean, I certainly carry my share of ghosts. I've seen a lot of bad things through my EMS career, but then also a lot of stupid things, and you develop kind of a weird sense of humor that's both in the Marine Corps and in EMS. I think it's just honestly stress relief. Yeah, but yeah, ultimately I burned out of the MS, and not for the reason people think I actually burned out because of entitlement programs. I can't tell you how many times I would go on calls for a splinter or a bad dream, and oh I've been on that, yeah, multi times, actually up for a bad dream because tuck him back in, get him a warm glass of milk. No, because of the laws, if somebody wants to go to the hospital, you can't tell them no. And so I have brought people to the hospital for a splinter, for a bad dream. Uh. For I had one call. No, no, not not really twenty year. Olds and things, you know. I had a twenty year old one time who we get on unseen and they're in the fetal position, rolling around screaming in pain, and uh, We're like, well, what's going on? And the girl that was with him said, well, he doesn't need his vegetables, and we're like, what, Well, he gets he gets these cramps because he doesn't need his vegetables. And I at this point I was a little long in the tooth for my EMS career. I was a little jaded, and so I looked at her and said, well then get him a V eight And she was mad. She was not happy about that. But that's the kind of stuff that I started going on, and that started to become the majority of the calls. And at that point I was just it's it's time to leave. Oh, because you're taking calls in Washington State on top of it, right, So I'm sure there was a level of like cartoonism drawing into that experience, right, just being where you're from. Yeah, yeah, I guess if you're in there now, they probably call you and call you in for like Trump on the television, like come turn this guy off, my TV's giving me a headache. Yeah, they probably would be a lot of calls for TDS. I would agree with that. Oh man, Yeah, what's it? Like I said, it's a daring job. I know some guys who are in it, and it's you know, it's one of those things you can't even imagine society without it, and it's hard to believe that so many people wake up and do it, and do it overnight and do it in the wee hours of the morning. And deal with it all and just I'm grateful for you guys, man, truly, like it's it's four piece of society that takes really special people to to do it, you know, because there's no you got the marine glory, you know to some degree, but there's not a lot of people who are like man, them bms guys are badass, you know the way. So it's it's an unsung hero job. Man. So it's impressive. But thank you. So from the EMS you start doing the church and state program and what's kind of your overarching goal with the platform now these days? Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. You know, church and state. Obviously most people are familiar with the term. Most people don't know where the term came from, and they believe it's in our founding documents and that they're supposed to be this separation of church and state, that they church is never supposed to get really involved with any state issues. They kind of stopped there, especially if you're more left leaning. They don't flip it back and say, well, but then also the state should have nothing to do with the church, and we saw in twenty twenty that that wasn't the case, as the state came in and started shutting down churches. You're not a lot of worship, You're not a lot of meat. In Washington State, I don't know about where you're at, but you could still go to a pot shop, you could still go to a strip club, but you cann't go to church. And that's absolutely ludicrous. I don't understand that at all. And what we saw during twenty twenty, you know, the domestic violence rates increased, suicide, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, they all increased because the state or the church had bent a knee to the state and said, Okay, if you want to shut us down, you can shut us down. So my goal on church and state is really to get Christians to engage. Initially was more civically, but now it's more I want Christians to engage in everything. I think what we've come to in this point is the world is sadly collapsing around us, and it's because there's far too many Christians who are acting like ostriches. You know, they're just sticking their head in the sand. And I think there's a lot of reasons behind that. I think one of the major contributors to it is this idea of a pre trib rapture that hey, the world is going to hell in a handbasket, but don't worry, because we're living in the end of days and very soon you're going to get raptured out of here. And I think that's built a lot of complacency within the church to where we're just not really active and engaged, and I think that's a sad state of affairs for God's house. What do you think of all sort of the I want to I mean, the big it did seem like a big bump came with sort of a focus on Christianity, new Christians and awareness to christian a renewed awareness to Christianity, Christianity post Charlie Kirk. But I kind of got winned even before that, there was a bit of a revival happening. I don't know if it's because of the desperation of the times to some people, but do you, especially living where you live, do you feel that, do you see that? Do you think think that's legitimate? Is that algorithmic to pacify people like you and me and say, oh yeah, it's building. Just calm down, Christianity's on the upswing. Sure. Meanwhile, the Muslims are flowing in from every border, all across the West. But do you feel that do you think that is a legitimate thing that's happening, And also do you think it's going to be a quick burn or do you think these people are hopping into Christianity less for a fad and more for you know, the real reason. There's a there's a really big question, and there's a lot of facets to it. You know. Number one, you know, the assassination of my former boss, Charlie Kirk was it was truly a tragedy for all Americans, whether whether you loved him or not, because this is a man who advocated free speech and went to you know, locations where he wasn't welcome, but still engaged in discussions with the left, with the right. It did not matter, and they silenced him. And we maybe we can get into some conspiracy theories on that one, because I do not believe the official narratable whatsoever. But to answer your question here, there's a lot going on. I don't know if you've ever read up about or did a deep dive on something called the New Apostolic Reformation, but that is a key player in all of this, and the New Apostolic Reformation basically operates off of a seven Mountain mandate and they advocate for Christians to well, well, number one, they've designated these seven mountains education, politics, religion, media, Hollywood, that kind of stuff, and they're advocating for Christians. It does a little bit, and it gets worse. Actually, they advocate for Christians to take charge or leadership of all these positions with the idea that we can build God's kingdom here on earth. Some of the more extreme elements actually say that Jesus can't come back until we take these seven mountains. It's been very, very attractive for a lot of people, and a lot of churches are getting engaged in this and not even understanding what it is. Probably the best well known church that really pushes this is Bethel out of Writing, and they use their church, especially their music ministry, to get inside of churches all across America, all across the world. And so even though some of these churches, your local church might not be a part of the seven Mountain mandate, this New Apostolic Reformation, they're at least paying into it because every single time they sing a Bethel song or a hillsong, song or elevation song. They're paying that church to use that music, and so it's very well funded. And it's really a message that is man centric instead of God centric. So we're seeing an increase in Christianity Christianity because of the popularity of the New Apostolic Reformation. We're seeing an increase in people who had questions about church because of the assassination of Charlie. But I do think because one of these is not actually God centered, the other one is people that are just kind of curious, I do think that it will kind of burn out. We also see Donald Trump is certainly a player into this question. A lot of people on the Christian side of things have made an idol out of MAGA, unfortunately. And that's a good point. Yeah. And for me, as I pointed out, I'm a Biblitarian. I don't have an allegiance or alliance to the Republican Party or the Democrat Party for that matter, And I'm a constitutionalist at heart. When Trump does something that is in violation of the Constitution, I'm going to call it out. I have issues with that, unfortunately, because MAGA has become in a sense and I don't want to offend too many people, but in a sense kind of cult, Like I get called all sorts of names. If I have any questions about that. Why what do they call you? Liberal? I get called the liberal all the time, and I mean I laugh at it because. I probably think you're like an undercover agent because you're from Washington. It could be that, right. He's not even real. Yeah, that's true. And we also even along those lines as well. Another factor in this in your question, and I did tell you it was a big question, is the Jewish question. And you can see this playing out, and there are you know, the the Maga slash you know, Israel can do no wrong side of things, the dispensationalists, you know, the people that are following Schofield and Darby, and then you have the America First people. And then you have players who, honestly I believe is an FBI agent or some kind of an agent, Nick Fuentes, who is pushing more of an anti Semite view. And then I'm over here, like, look, I question my own government all the time. I think it's one of the most patriotic things I can do, and so I'm going to question the Israeli government as well. And as a Christian, I don't see that we can advocate for, you know, mass bombings of civilians and the deaths of women and children in Gaza or wherever else. I mean that that should be every Christian's mindset. Oh, I agree with you. Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big one. What is what's your take on? This is kind of off the beaten path, but it's a personal question of mine own, and it's in the in this sort of space. But there's a type and you may ascribe to it. I don't know. Look, I'm not really super versed in the varieties of Christianity, you know what I mean, the flavors, if you will, But I know there's a lot out there. What's your take on sort of the the Old Tests I want to call it, like the Old Testament Christianity that spends a lot of time, it's seems like in the Gospels, but does a lot of things like read the Torah in sort of the almost like the Jewish side of the religion. I don't know what that's called. I know it's got a name, you know, they call God Yeshua and all that kind of stuff. I don't know all the details in it. But it's one of those things that I always looked at and went like, this is confused, Like if you're coming into it anew, like, this is confusing. What are we trying to do here? It's going to confuse the hell out of people. We're using different names, you know, the whole thing. So what you're referencing is is something called the Hebrew Roots movement, and I fundamentally rejected. You know the look. I've asked this question to so many pastors. What happens to a jew that is following the Torah, is living under the law, and they die And the answer to that question is they go to Hell because of Jesus's own words. Jesus said, no one comes to the Father but through me. He also told us to engage in the great commission that we are supposed to go and make disciples of the entire world. And yet so many Christians give Israel a pass, exclaiming that they are God's chosen people. Now, look, there's no disputing that God worked through the Jewish people. But you know that Genesis twelve, every dispensation all loves this. You know that I'm gonna bless those who bless Thee and curse those that curse Thee. They always stop there. They don't continue the passage because the passage actually says, and through you, the entire or every nation will be blessed. That's obviously in reference to Jesus. Right when we look at the Gospels and what Jesus accomplished during his time here on earth, he completed, I mean, it was his last words. It is finished. We don't need we don't need to live under the law. There is the law still important, obviously. I mean we can look at the Ten Commandments and say, yeah, I shouldn't murder, Yeah I shouldn't steal, right exactly, But it's now his grace and the only thing that gets us access to Heaven is Jesus Christ's blood. All right. That means it is finished. We are no longer under that law. And so when we get excited as Christians about, oh, I don't know, maybe the rebuilding of the Third Temple, that's a slap in the face to Jesus. We don't need that third Temple, all right. The Temple was destroyed because Jesus finished it all It's a completed work. And so if we put too much of an emphasis on the Hebrew roots. I think we actually go awry of the greater Christian message. Yeah, I don't understand the connection. This is what always. This is why I brought it up to you, when I bring it up to everybody who's pretty well versed in religion, because I can't understand the connection between salvation through things like the Torah or even how it plays into Christianity and basically coming, you know, to the undeniable truth that Jesus has died for our sins, he is king, and as long as you believe that right, you're you're saved. I don't understand how you got to go through a litany of all these other things and call them by a different name and all these other things to I don't know if they're achieving. I don't know what they're going after passovers and you know, all the different ceremonies. I mean, it seems like kind of a club, and I guess there are worst clubs to be a part of. But maybe to your point, if it's all a smack in the face, that Jesus is probably a little little bit of a bad idea, right. I mean, I would agree. I don't think anybody's intentions should be to run a foul of Jesus personally. And so we complicated, right, And that's kind of the human nature. We tend to over complicate so many things. And the reality is is Christianity is the most simple and truthful religion out there. Right, You don't you aren't required to go through all these steps this process better yourself. The reality is we're sinners saved by grace. I'm a Lutheran, at least recently converted to Lutheranism. The good kind, not the bad kind. There's the l C M S, which is a good kind, and then you have the el E l c A. That's that's a really bad, the bogg restive side. But Martin Luther described Christians as poop covered in snow, and that's the that's the reality. I love that he had a great sense of humor, but that's what we are. We are poop ladies and gentlemen, and we're covered in the beautiful white snow of Jesus Christ and his grace. I mean, you know, it's a funny way to say it, but it is. It is one of the ways that I stay best tuned into Jesus is by recognizing the fact that I'm flawed and falling and fundamentally bad, you know what I mean, and just struggling to be good, you know what I mean, and that it's the will and His grace that I even do good, you know, and anything outside of that, To be honest with you, Caleb, it either feels fake to me personally. I'm talking about when I'm you know, in the word or talking to people anything, or even motivating myself anything outside of that concept right there, the poop covered snow covered poop rather really does feel weird to me. It does because I don't know, there's just something it's so not pure, but I don't know, there's something that just takes a burden off you that's immeasurable when you really simmer it down to like, we're all pretty much bad people governed by our instincts and and you know, to claw to claw back to Jesus as best we can through our own will power and through reading the Bible is like, I don't know, Maybe that's because it's simple, and I like it simple, particularly religion. I like it real simple. It works for me, maybe it'll work for you two out there folks. But you know it's good. It's a good way to look at it, for sure. I'm one hundred percent with you on that. Basically, I come to it came to the point when I converted to Lutheranism, is I got so tired and honestly was just filled with despair because it was this cycle of being pious and utter despair. All right. I would go through these cycles of, Hey, I'm doing really good, I've been praying a lot, i've been reading the word, I'm going to church a lot, and God must be proud of me, and then all of a sudden to fail massively, all right, and to just be like, oh my gosh, I'm such a horrible sinner. I can't believe I did that. You know, whatever it is, insert the sin. And so it was just this cycle, this rollercoaster of emotions of I'm good, I'm bad, I'm good, I'm bad, and coming to that realization that you just talked about, You're always going to fail, Okay, Jesus isn't surprised by your failures. You are fleshly, you are sinful, buying nature, and to realize it ain't about me, It's about Him. That's the solution, and man, do you feel a whole lot better? I mean I would have been I would have been so more deeply tethered with Jesus so much sooner if someone would have just said that, if someone would have had the balls, and I know we went through a time where you know, balls were at a at a premium, right, But if someone at the balls to say, dude, you're just a bad person and you're striving to do good and when you're doing that striving, you're doing it his name, whether you realize it or not, Like that would have just clicked it all for me. Cale It really would have, Like because like you said, I was on that seesaw forever. And the problem with that seesaw is if you're not yet Christian, then it's constantly I mean, it's like the devil's in control of that seesaw because he's pulling you back every time you get close to that door and you want to open that door, and you're like, man, I'm not good enough for that, you know what I mean, Like I'm not good enough to open that door. And that was thirty years of my life, for real, thirty years of my life was just like I can't I can't go that distance, you know what I mean. And it wasn't even sort of a detraction from me as a person, but it was it was a lack of confidence because I didn't understand that Jesus had my back anyway, you know what I mean. It was like I got to perform for him. He's, you know, the king, and I just I'm not fit for that. So so for so many years I was confused and lost in that until until that concept right then and there came to my light and then it was just okay, this makes sense. Now, this makes sense, and this is something I'm sure I can uphold. And you know, even if I failed, it's He's still got my back, and that's everybody needs that right now, you know. Yeah, it's it's so simplistic. It really sets us apart as far as you know, the world's faiths go, because every other religion out there requires so much, you know, whether it's Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, you know, I'll throw Mormonism in there as well. They all require so much from the individual who's supposedly worshiping the God. And Christianity is so separate from that because it's just about this belief that Jesus Christ died for our sins and he's got it all and it's so unique for us, you know, one of the to speak to your point there, like I recommend people read the Book of Job because this really kind of is is an example for us, right, no matter what happened to Job, And I mean you think your life's bad, read Job, ladies and gentlemen. Man, did that guy go through a lot, But what did he do? He kept his eyes on God the whole time because it's not about me. It's not about what I'm going through, it's about him once again. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. That's a tough read. I'm surprised they haven't made a movie out of that that would activated. Would that be a horror movie? I don't know. Yeah, what do they call him now body horrors or something like that where he is terrible things happened to your face and boils and yeah, that would fit right in that category. The sure. Yeah, that's a great story. You know, it's the it's the Marvel's version is called Wolverine, you know what I mean. That's very similar. But yeah, I uh, it's so fun to talk to you man, because we don't we we don't have enough sort of religious conversations here on PBN, and it's you know, I think the audience kind of yearns for it. It's hard to find, and I appreciate your take because it's it's not easy. I don't know if you if you find this, Kale, but it's not and it's not really hard for a guy like me. It's been hard for me for years. It's not easy to find people who you can have good conversations with around the the you know, around religion in general, that are that are a matter of fact and that are you know, leading you to a to a better understanding. And and also people who are willing to share probably the most important thing in any conversation, to share their failures, right and their struggles in it all because whether I'm talking about prepping and survival or god like, I find that you talk about your failures and that opens people's eyes up, That gets people to change or or to open up themselves, you know. So I do appreciate you, you know, being open about your religion on the show, and and you know, being cool about my lack of knowledge around I mean, I don't know how I have no idea how people gain the level of knowledge they have about the many varieties of just Christianity, let alone Catholicism and hindu With like you would need a degree to follow all that stuff. It's it's impressive for sure. Well, as I remind everybody on the on the show all the time, like I'm a layman, I'm just inquisitive. God gave me a mind that I have to read every day, like I at night reading well into the well into the night. I also have struggled with insomnia over the years, so sometimes you know, I'm up till two in the morning just reading because I'm not on my phone. I'm reading books and I just like to study most of its nonfiction. And I'm constantly reading about religion, about different denominations within Christianity, politics obviously. And the thing I love about the Bible, James, is it's the only book that I know of that I can read. And I've read it multiple times, but I can read and every single time I read it, I go, hey, wait a minute, how long has that been in there? You know, like I missed that before. It's always been there. But it's a new discovery for me and it's so unique to the Bible. And we've also, as Christians, done a really bad job of making Christianity boring. And I hate that because Christianity is so exciting. The Bible is just a fantastical work. Like I will devote a number of episodes on Church and State to the Nephelum, you know, like, why don't we talk about this? You know that falling Angels? Yeah, right, Fallen Angels made it with human females and create the giants. Like, wow, what an incredible story. You know, we got Ezekiel's wheel, Like, what is this kind of UFO thing that we're talking about here? You know, this is interesting. We got the profit out running you know, a chariot. You know, you brought up Marvel Like that's that's like the real life Quicksilver over here. You know, he's not running, he's not running a horse chariot. And we don't talk about that. We don't talk about that from the pulpit. And it's you know, we get these messages that are just feel good. They're basically ted talks with a little bit of Christianity sprinkled in, you know, some magic fairy dust right there? Man, Why do that because the people are hungry. That people want to talk about you know, the paranormal that's in the Bible. You know, they want to talk about politics because there's a lot of politics in the Bible as well, and unfortunately, far too few pastors will address that. Yeah, what is that? Why are the past what is going on with that? For you years and years it seemed like the lukewarm pastors have done. I mean I don't even know what they've done fundamentally. Like there's always the concept like, oh, the let's level things off so that we can build the church following right, that's all like like let let let the gays in so we can so we can get more people into the church. And like, I don't know it, when was the boom? When did the boom come? You know what I mean? Like we opened up all these different you know, doors to a variety of different people and manipulated sort of the Bible in a way that they would feel comfortable sitting there listening to it, like just rip Leviticus out. It's like the dead Poet's society, you know, where you. Out. And I never saw a boom from it. I never saw like a great pews filled because we made all this, made all this sort of you know, editing to the Bible and to the Word and to preaching in general. Yeah, so I classified the churches into three camps. Uh. Number one, you got the woke church. These guys are are obvious. They they they've been infiltrated. I mean Bella DoD I talk about her a lot, but she was a Communist infiltrator. She'd been trained by the Soviet Union to go into the Catholic Church specifically to introduce Communist ideology to it, and they took over the seminaries and she ended up flipping. And she traveled around the country in the eighties warning people about this that she wasn't the only one, that there were a lot of agents that have been sent into the church to bring this about. Well, now we're seeing the end result of that, and it's the woke churches. And these are easy to identify. I mean, look for a rainbow flag. If you find a rainbow flag inside the church or hanging from the church, wrong church, ladies and gentlemen, don't go in there. Okay, it's as simple. Number two is job right there. I don't know how they pull it off to be honest. Well, I mean they're not worshiping the same God as we do. The second church I classify as the ostrich Church. They stick their head in the same and there's no meat to their message. It's it's all milk. And these are pretty easy to identify. Yeah, I think it is the majority in America, but they're easy to identify, James, you know, they typically you know, they got the coffee bars, the fog machines, the pastors wearing skinny jeans, and it just kind of feels good, right, like, hey, come on in, everybody's cool here, you know. And there's no real dissecting of the word. They're not building disciples. The third church I call the Confessing Church, and I borrow that from Ditch Bonhoeffer. And that's the ones that are actually getting into the Word and actually following the true religion of Jesus Christ. Yeah, how do you find those? It takes work, right, Like everything that's important takes work, you know. I mean, if we're talking about essential liberties and freedom, right, they they told us our family fathers told us that required work to keep our republic. One of the best lines in any movie comes from Spider Man where Uncle Ben says, with great power comes great responsibility. Right, there's power in freedom, there's power in liberty, but it takes responsibility. As far as Christianity goes, which is the most important thing you can possibly dive into, it takes work. If you want to find a good church, guess what you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to do some studying. You're gonna have to know the word yourself. That way you can well, you can tell if somebody's teaching you the wrong thing or if they're not going far enough. But it's going to take visiting different churches. It's going to be exploring. I mean, I recently left a new Apostolic Reformation church like about three years ago, and it didn't start that way. It became one, and I started to notice a lot of really bad things within the church, and so ultimately I left. But then I started exploring what do I actually believe? And so I started reading about Baptists, about Lutherans, about Presbyterians, about Anglicans. I mean, I read everything I could on all the different denominations and ultimately decided I'm a Lutheran. I didn't know I was, but I am a Lutheran, and that's how I started. I didn't even know Lutherans had a good side. I thought all Lutherans were woke as could be. But there is there's a solid group of Lutherans under the LCMS and actually the Wisconsin sin on as well. But they they're good and so it took work for me to get to that point. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the resounding concept. Right, You've got to sift through everything in your area and see what's what, and then I guess the worst case scenario, you got to start your own, right, and I'm sure you can get as creative with that as you want. Well, the pavilion can be a church, right if you're stubborn enough. True, Yeah, I mean, and we got to be careful there because there have been a lot of people who have decided I'm done with all that, I'm gonna start my own, and then we get the Jehovah witnesses and the Christian scientists and the moral and so can be very problematic there. I would suggest, I would recommend to the audience try to find a good church. You can do wonderful things with home churches, and they actually are rising in America. But you got to make sure that whoever's leading that it is not just you know, a strong personality, somebody that has, you know, a rudimentary understanding of the Bible. Now you do need somebody that they know it well and they're not going to lead you astray. Caleb, I appreciate you, my man. Where's the best place for us to find your Church and State media? Yeah, so if you want to go to the website Church and State dot media. I would ask the audience if they are enjoying, you know, the things that I talk about. Right off the bat, there's one of those annoying pop ups, but please fill that out for me. All it is is your name, your email, and your phone number. You're going to get our newsletter. And also one of the things that I do, I personally call every single person who filled this out, So if you want to talk to me, fill that out and you will get a phone call from me. And I'll just say this as well. If the area code is five zero nine, it's probably me. It's it's not going to be a telemarketer or whatever, so pick it up so you can talk to me. But there's a lot of great things on the website at Church and State dot media all of our past shows. You can see some of our featured guests. You can buy the book that I just wrote, Political Incontinence, which is basically just a bunch of quotes from politicians, Republicans, Democrats, independents, and it's the stupidest quotes you're going to read it. We don't pull punches on here, but it's just dumb quotes. I'm working on a second book and a third book as well. The second one will be called Mainstream Maneure, so it's just stupid quotes from the media, and the third one, I'm gonna make a lot of friends on this one, but it's called Holy Crap and it is stupid quotes from pastors. So that'll be a lot of fun. Sounds like show prep for me. I might have to get the book. Yeah, please do. Yeah, great quotes in there to read on air. Oh and the first book, Political Incontinence, it all started from I don't know if you remember Hank Johnson, congressman out of Georgia. He's still there, but he was worried that the island of Guam was going to capsize because we're putting too many troops on one side of the island. This is the leadership of America. Ladies and gentlemen. Great job, and look. Your story is a perfect example of a lot of times Americans particularly listen to shows like ours, are like, where are all the good guys in politics? They're stuck behind microphones because they got kicked out of politics by the Republicans. There you go. That's it, right, I mean, that's true. A lot your situation is. I know a lot of people who've been in that situation. I ran and I got booted by people you wouldn't believe, or I made it in and it was a short term and you know the whole things. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So yeah, I would love for people once again to go to Church and State dot media. Also please go to Mark thirty seven dot com and get yourself a ghost phone. And let me just say this as well, a lot of people will be like, well, you know that initial price, you know, I gotta pay four hundred, five hundred, six hundred bucks for a phone when I can get a free one if I just go to Verizon or T Mobile. No, ladies and gentlemen, you're actually gonna pay more for that. Yeah, they put it on this payment plan, you know, and it's only twenty extra dollars to my bill and I'm getting this great new iPhone seventeen like you talked about. By the time you pay that off, you will have paid more than just going to Mark thirty seven dot com. And I don't know, putting it on your credit card all right, and once again you're getting a phone that's not spying on you. I think it's well worth the price. Guys, Like, what's your personal sovereignty worth? You know what I mean? You sit around with somebody with a regular phone and talk about anything, and that phone's gonna listen and pop it up on their screen in a matter of minutes. Yeah, I mean it's And we've reached a point now where it where nobody's hiding it anymore. It's all out in the open. There's no trick. We've all been tricked. It's already done. They're not even the companies themselves are like, yeah, we're listening, we're serving ads and we're becoming super rich and you're not. And sorry about that. But that's and the technology is getting worse, James. I mean, I don't know if you saw the pattern for the new earbuds, but they can literally read your brain waves. Uh yeah, sign me up for that. Let's put these little cancer causing devices in my ear, irradiate my brain and oh, by the way, the computer is going to be reading my brain waves. You it doesn't. Yeah, oh beautiful. Yeah yeah, get that free phone and you know, burnout ten years of your life scrolling on Instagram. It'll happen. It will happen quick too. Yeah. Visit Mark thirty seven dot com for sure. Guys. Well, kayleb Man, you were great, excellent come back anytime. I'm sure we could chat for hours on any variety of things. We didn't get into any of the political today or anything like that hardly, but you opened up my heart on the religious thing and then I started poking in prodding from there. So I do appreciate that. That was nice. Yeah, it was my pleasure. I love these types of conversations. I know we're gonna have you on my show as well, so your audience can can look forward to that. But yeah, I'd love to come back. Excellent. Well, PBN family check them out, Church and State dot Media another great ally man. You know, we keep building I'll talk to you folks soon. Have a great day. See it. Are you prepared to be the family doctor in a disaster or emergency? This is the Intrepid Commander, and I'm holding The Preppers Medical Handbook by William W. Forty, MD. In this great book, you'll learn how to prepare for medical care off the grid. You'll learn about assessment and stabilization. You'll even deal with things like bioterrorism, response, radiation, and how to build the off grid medical kit at home. Twenty taught us a lot about the limitations of our medical infrastructure in America. Get The Prepper's Medical Handbook today at Amazon dot com. Again, that's The Prepper's Medical Handbook by William W. Forty