The Strange Truth: What to do in a Nuclear Attack w/ Dave Jones the NBC Guy

[00:00:38] Welcome to episode 65 of The Strange Truth. I'm your host, Carl B. And I've got a really special treat today. I've got Dave Jones on with me tonight. So, and we're going to be talking about, you know, surviving a nuclear attack, right? I think that's been on everybody's mind.

[00:01:02] And, you know, I really hope that this will help to put folks mind at ease. And, you know, I've been saying this and Dave's been saying it. You know, this is not to wind you up. If you're listening to this and if you're, you know, if you're all, you know, if your anxiety levels are really, really high right now, my suggestion would be to, you know, step away, turn this podcast off, whatever you need to do, step away.

[00:01:30] Spend some time with your family, you know, going into nature, you know, whatever, whatever you got to do to get yourself relaxed. And then when the time's right, when you feel like you can't handle it, then you come back to it. Right. But it's all about planning and trying to keep your family safe here.

[00:01:49] And, you know, PBN is a very, very unique service. You know, we, you know, and I think that we are, we are here at the right time with everything that's going on and with people, you know, people needing this kind of help, you know, how to plan, how to prepare, how to harden up your life, you know, how to become more self-sufficient.

[00:02:14] And, and, and we're talking in every single way, you know, spiritually, you know, physically, you know, James is, is, is doing his commander's challenge thing. Right. And, and, and as well as, you know, just hardening up your life, you know, finances and, you know, making sure that your family can survive, you know, the hard times that are coming. Okay. And you know what I say, they're coming. I think that they're already here.

[00:02:44] Uh, so, um, so welcome. And, um, I just, uh, since I, I want to get to Dave, I know his time is, is, is very precious. Right. Uh, what I, what I want to do is I just want to mention our sponsors. Right. Uh, and, uh, this show is brought to you by the Prepper's Medical Handbook by William W. Forgie MD. And that's available at amazon.com. So going over to amazon.com and, um, you know, and, and, and check out the book.

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[00:04:35] Uh, you know, because of course that's, it's good Friday, right? And this is a pretty grim, uh, uh, subject that we're going to broach today. Uh, so I don't know when James will put this up, but, uh, you know, we're going to get it done so that you, we can get this information out to you and, and you can use it to, uh, you know, um, you can, you can use, I'm sure a lot of the information that we're going to give out today to factor into your own, uh, preparation.

[00:05:01] So, uh, without further ado, I am going to, uh, uh, introduce you to, uh, Dave Jones. Uh, he is our, uh, resident, uh, nuclear biological chemical, uh, expert on PBN. And, um, I am going to ask you, uh, Dave to introduce himself. Um, and, uh, you know, just give us a little background and then, uh, we'll get into a few things with him. So Dave, uh, sure. You're ready.

[00:05:31] Um, you know. Okay. Can you hear me? I, I got these headphones on and I don't know how well they work. Yes. Okay. Uh, and squeaky chair. Can you hear the squeaky chair? Okay, then you got good reception. Well, uh, I'm Dave Jones, the NBC guy. And you might ask, how do you get to be the NBC guy?

[00:05:58] And, uh, 24 years of active federal service, uh, active duty in the U.S. Army Chemical Corps. Um, graduated many schools with, uh, number one, you know. So I, I had a real proclivity to, uh, nuclear biological chemical warfare. I, I taught it for three years in an Army Reserve, uh, school that we ran at Fort Indiantown Gap, Pennsylvania.

[00:06:28] And, uh, got instructor of the year one time. And, uh, let's see. Uh, my civilian background is emergency management. So, uh, you know, it's always an emergency when there's a nuclear biological chemical warfare. And, uh, I, I started with Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency. This was right after I retired from the Army.

[00:06:56] And, uh, I was a watch officer for the state of Pennsylvania. And people would ask, what do you watch? I said, mostly CNN and the Weather Channel. Because that's where all the emergencies came down from, you know. And, uh, my second week on the job, uh, 9-11 happened. And we watched the whole events of 9-11 unfold on a big screen TV.

[00:07:22] And at my console came the call from Somerset County Dispatch. Uh, the dispatch lady said, uh, hey, I got some guy that's on a cell phone, says his plane's being hijacked. What do we tell him? And before we could formulate an answer to give to her, she said, never mind. We have smoke on the ground. Uh, and, uh, we know that today to be Flight 93. And that was my introduction to emergency management.

[00:07:50] So I did that, uh, at Pennsylvania Emergency Management. Uh, NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C. Air Force Global Strike Command, which was a nuclear weapons command. Uh, and, uh, then I went to the Department of Homeland Security and, uh, worked at a place called Mount Weather.

[00:08:16] So if your listeners want to Google Mount Weather, that's about all we'll say about Mount Weather. But I retired from there three years ago and have been busier than anything since then. I'm, you know, like James says, you get to prep all day. And I'll tell you, it's been exhausting. Yeah, um, you, you know, I, I, I could not, I could not do that. Oh, listen.

[00:08:46] I mean, you know, just, just the amount of stuff you're doing today, um, you know, uh, is just incredible. And I think that what you, the more you prep, it's kind of like a never ending thing, right? The more you find things that you probably want to shore up. And it's just incredible listening to your journey on PBN. And, uh, and I want to tell the listeners, um, you know, just before the pandemic broke. Okay.

[00:09:13] Um, and I think it was a couple months before, you know, I, I, I realized that, you know, what, there was some, you know, the world isn't, isn't quite right. So I, I started looking for sources, places that I could go to get information. And the only real place that you can go and get real information is a prepper community. It's weird how that works. And I found PBN, I found the podcast.

[00:09:38] I started listening to it and I had a little book called the prepper part when the collapse, and then I became a sponsor. And then, uh, right in that window, the, you know, the, the pandemic broke and, you know, PBN became my go-to source for information. You know, I would listen to Dave, I would listen to Jordan, um, you know, I would listen to James, you know, uh, just kind of talk about, uh, you know, what they were doing and how they were preparing for it.

[00:10:07] And, uh, you know, and that gave me, it was my anchor throughout the, that, that really troubling time because there was no other resource quite like this. There's, there's other prepping podcasts and different things that are out there, but there's no other resource quite like, you know, what you guys were doing. And, um, you know, and I, you know, it gave me, it gave me a, uh, a place to start.

[00:10:37] And then from there, you know, I started, okay, I need to, you know, get my food situation, um, a lot better than what it was because I was prepping, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't anything what I would consider really serious, serious. Okay. I got to get everything set up here. So if it wasn't for Dave and James and Jordan, um, you know, I would not have had this journey. So I want to say, uh, a huge thank you to Dave.

[00:11:02] Uh, and, and, and I'm sure that for thousands and thousands of listeners out there, you know, he's that voice. Uh, I'm sure he's the voice that you, uh, you listen to, you know, I, I see my show as a gateway, right? My show is, is one of those gateways where you're flipping around the web and you, uh, or, you know, you're looking through podcasts and you find my show and you go, Oh, okay. This sounds interesting.

[00:11:27] And then you hear about this thing called PBN and then you flip over to PBN and then, you know, that, that just opens up a whole broad vista of different, different voices, different podcasts, you know, different people that can become your anchors. And, um, and, and that's the, uh, the, uh, purpose, right? It's all about saving lives. And I think Dave will, will, um, agree with that one.

[00:11:52] You know, all the information that we try to give out, everything that we try to do here, it's all about trying to save lives and, and give people a chance to, um, cope and survive, uh, you know, the trying times. Yeah. Now, now Dave, I know that you have a book that's coming out. Yeah. This was, right. Um, can you tell? Sure. This was James's idea, uh, about a week ago, maybe two weeks.

[00:12:20] He said, Hey, uh, because he was picking my brain about things. And he, he said, Hey, we need to get something to the listeners, you know, something quick, down, dirty, just the facts. And, uh, you know, to get that in their hands. So he came up with this idea, like a mini book or a pamphlet. Uh, and it's, it's based off of, uh, you know, like question and then answer.

[00:12:46] So, uh, you know, I, I'm afraid of fallout. What should I do? And then, then I go all over fallout and, uh, you know, all, all these different questions, like when, when could I expect an attack? And I go into that. And, uh, so this book, he wants to make it, uh, free on PBN.

[00:13:09] And then I talked to him about actually writing the definitive book on, uh, nuclear attack. And, uh, he, he wants to help me do that. So there's going to be an expanded version. That's going to be for sale whenever we get this done, hopefully before prepper camp. So that's, that's the game plan. That's how it all started.

[00:13:34] So keep an eye out on PBN, uh, you know, and if you're not a member, I just have to ask why, you know? Yeah. Um, I, I can't wait. Uh, that is something that as soon as it's available, I'm printing it off. I'm going to have a PDF of that. Um, you know, because, uh, you know, I, I think that something really like short, you guys have the right idea. It's short.

[00:14:04] Um, you know, it, people can kind of probably just find a flip through it and find their issue on the day. You know, um, if, if there is an emergency, okay, this is my experience. And, and, and here are the things that I am noticing and these are the things that are happening. And here's how I probably should deal with some of these issues. Uh, I, I think that this is gonna, this is gonna be a game changer for a lot of folks.

[00:14:32] Um, so, uh, for all the people out there who are really kind of worried about this, um, I think that, uh, this, uh, book by, uh, Dave is going to be, uh, you know, something where, yeah. You're going to want to download it. You're going to want to, you know, you're going to, you're going to want to know a lot more about Dave Jones, I'm thinking too, after reading it. Um, right. And, uh, do you guys have a working time for this? No, not really.

[00:15:01] Uh, James has a really cool graphic where he, he put my picture behind this glass and it said, in case of NBC emergency break glass. It's cool. It looks pretty cool. Um, but yeah, that's, I can't wait to see it. Yeah. Yeah. I had to bring you in here. This is your, you're now in the inner sanctum of, of Prepperville here. I get to see Carl B.

[00:15:31] You know, I, I've listened to your show and I, I've pictured you in my mind, given the broadcast, but I'm getting a behind the scenes look. And I had to come in here cause the puppies were whining. It's about time for their feed. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, okay. Yeah. Um, so let's get to it then because, um, you know, we've got a, we've got a lot of questions. Um, I'm sure the folks, um, are, are, you know, just anxious for us to get into. Thank you.

[00:15:59] So, so Dave, how did we get here? Yeah. Right. How did we get, in your opinion, right? And, and I mean, you're a guy, uh, 30 odd years of experience in the military, being all over the world. Um, you've seen it. Yeah. Right. How did we get here? How do we get a whisk away from World War three? What brought us to this point in time?

[00:16:21] Well, I think it was, uh, the, uh, lack of sanctions that, you know, he, the sanctions were off of Russia, Russia, which allowed them to do whatever they wanted. But I, I'm pretty sure that, uh, Putin's game plan, he knows what sanctions they can put on. He knows what they can do and what they can't do, what they will do.

[00:16:48] So he, he weighed the options and he said, you know what? Now's the time. So, uh, he's always been, uh, wanting to reconstruct the old Soviet Union. In his mind, it was, uh, it was a tragedy that, uh, the Soviet Union broke up and all the satellite countries, you know, got independence. And so he always wanted this.

[00:17:17] And I think he's seen this, uh, weakness in the United States as his opportunity to, to do it now. And now I noticed you said weakness there, Dave. Can you elaborate on that? Sure.

[00:17:35] Uh, you know, just our withdrawal from Afghanistan showed how unorganized, un, you know, unprepared, uh, you know, ill, ill thought out, ill planned. I mean, it was a total debacle. It's, it was heartbreaking the way, and I know a lot of vets. And of course I was over there for two years.

[00:18:00] I did, uh, two, 22 months in the Middle East. And, uh, it was heartbreaking to me and I had never been to Afghanistan. It just, it was terrible the way we pulled out of Afghanistan and the way everything collapsed and crumbled. And, and it was, it was weakness, you know, giving up, uh, Bagram air base. We were never supposed to give that up.

[00:18:28] We were supposed to have something like 2000 troops there in case we ever needed to go back. Uh, if you remember when the war kicked off and, and Turkey said, don't fly over our airspace, you know, we didn't have a viable option. Uh, geez, now I'm going to tell your listeners some things that at the time was pretty classified. So I don't know if they are still, I don't think so.

[00:18:53] We, we operated out of three air bases in the country of Jordan. And until Bagram was, you know, constructed and built over the past, you know, almost 20 years. And then give all that up and all the equipment and everything that was left behind and to just run away. You know, that, that's the ultimate sign of weakness.

[00:19:18] And then lifting all the sanctions and also weakness by cutting our oil production. You know, we are so weak and so vulnerable, uh, to, to just about anything right now. It's, it's unbelievable. And he keeps using the strategic oil reserve at a time when we're ready to go into World War III. I mean, it just doesn't make sense. True.

[00:19:47] True. Um, now you and I, and a lot of folks in the prepping community, we kind of have a sense of a lot of the stuff that you discussed. Um, what about the folks who are just going about their daily lives? I mean, you know, uh, how serious should they be taking, uh, uh, you know, uh, everything that's going on in the world right now? Are, are we overreacting? No.

[00:20:17] You know, are, are, are we overreacting right now? Or is this as serious as it really is? Well, yeah, it's as serious as, as I have ever seen it. And, you know, I was in the cold war and I did nuclear target analysis.

[00:20:33] And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and we're, I mean, closer now than we've ever been. I don't think we're overreacting. And I know the people that are listening are experiencing things in their life that confirms we're not overreacting.

[00:21:01] The price of food alone is testament that we are not overreacting. Uh, just the overall feeling, you know, when they did a survey of people and eight out of 10 Americans were afraid of nuclear war. And that's, that's the highest it's ever been.

[00:21:23] And I mean, back, you know, I've, I've sent some of these civil defense things out, you know, back then people had bomb shelters and were, you know, doing all this stuff for nuclear war. And today they're more worried about it than they were back then. So it's, yeah, we're definitely not overreacting. Yeah. Overreacting, huh? Um, all right.

[00:21:50] Well, what do you think will be the top three nuclear target for the Russians? Yeah. If this thing was to go off, what will be the top three? Well, sure. And, you know, over the years, um, strategy changed along with technology. As we were able to get more accurate with our delivery means, uh, the, the whole strategy changed.

[00:22:14] Like back in the, in the fifties and sixties, it was take out large metropolitan areas. And, uh, you know, similar to what we did in World War II, we did, you know, carpet bombing and incendiary bombing of industrial, uh, hubs and things like that. To defeat Nazi Germany and Japan.

[00:22:38] And, um, now the, the, it's changed because we've gotten more accurate and we can pinpoint, we don't need these big megaton bombs because we can deliver a pinpoint, uh, attack, you know, GPS and all this kind of stuff we have. So the top three targets, the first thing we want to do is eliminate our retaliatory capabilities.

[00:23:06] So that's number one, uh, anything that would have to do with missiles, missile launch, uh, command and control and communications, command control communications. That would be number two. And then, uh, you know, number three would be, uh, large military, uh, bases, uh, that could, uh, you know, form a response and retaliate and things like that.

[00:23:35] And then probably number four now, it would be large metropolitan cities. So, so you, you, you, you think that they would still go after the metropolitan cities. It wouldn't just be the new, uh, the military target. Well, they, like I said, in a, in a priority, uh, they would be, you know, nuclear facilities and any kind of nuclear response. Right.

[00:24:02] So they want to take that out first and then command and control for the country, for the military, you know, all of that. They want to take that out second. And then, uh, third would be, you know, Fort Hood is the largest military base in the world. You know, that's, that's a target right there. If you want to take out, I think there's two divisions at Fort Hood.

[00:24:29] And there, and all the support people, uh, Norfolk, uh, naval base, you know, that's home to two carrier groups. It's our Atlantic fleet. Uh, of course, the nuclear sub bases that we have, they, they would want to take those out. Uh, Washington DC, of course, you know, the Pentagon and DC and all of that. Um, a lot of people think that they have these targets.

[00:24:59] In their backyard, but they're really, you know, there's a limited number of nuclear weapons and you got to use them wisely. Because they're, there's, they won't all be able to fire. That's, that's one thing. They just won't be in location. They won't, some of them are down for maintenance. So, you have to prioritize your targets. And then some targets, they're going to use more than one weapon.

[00:25:27] They're not just going to launch one and say, well, that takes care of that. You know, like Washington DC, they're not going to use just one weapon on Washington DC. They want to make sure that is, uh, gone. Gone, right. Oh my God. Um, you know, so are there any, then, are there any benefits or advantages to a nuclear exchange? Well, here's the thing.

[00:25:56] For years, uh, we have decided that nuclear war is unthinkable. It's unwinnable, unthinkable. And there's been this move, you know, with this nuclear winter, uh, you know, what gets me about the nuclear winter, I'm not saying it won't happen. Okay. I, I'm saying what they describe is highly unlikely.

[00:26:25] First of all, we don't have the amount of weapons we had back in the eighties when they first proposed this theory. Secondly, when they did their data, they, they wanted to prove that nuclear weapons would, would go up into the atmosphere and cause fallout all over the world. And they would plunge us into a nuclear winter. Well, when that data didn't convince them, because as before I said, there's not going

[00:26:53] to be a lot of fallout because you want to, you want an air burst. You don't, you get more bang for your buck. If the bomb goes off at a higher altitude. Okay. The blast is bigger. All the effects are bigger. If you let it go off on the ground, all those effects are limited. So when they couldn't get enough fallout into the sky, because this was a fact, then they

[00:27:21] said, well, the fires that would start because of this nuclear exchange would cause smoke. And, and yes, there's going to be huge amounts of fire. Heat is the second largest effect in a nuclear blast. And the firestorm that raged on from Hiroshima and Nagasaki lasted for seven to 10 days. And, and it actually did more destruction than the, the bomb itself.

[00:27:52] So, uh, the fires are going to be a factor, but then, you know, you, you got to look at, um, they're not going to burn forever. Okay. Even forest fires, you know, they get under control themselves. A lot of times it's not the people that are fighting it, you know? So it's not going to be the fires.

[00:28:19] There's not as many nuclear weapons as we had back in the eighties. They're not going to use all that they have on the United States. They're going to save some for France, uh, NATO, you know, England, uh, maybe even Pakistan or India. They're nuclear capable. So they're not going to fire all of them in the United States.

[00:28:42] So, and, and the advantage of a nuclear war is once you realize it's winnable and it becomes winnable when you can protect your people more than the opponent can protect theirs. If you can, yes, cause more damage to them than you will receive, right? Then it becomes a calculation.

[00:29:08] This just sounds like a really, really bad day. And, and it just, just sound to me, it just sounds like if they fire, Europe's going to fire. Maybe some of our allies are going to fire and we're going to try to retaliate and, uh, and, uh, a really bad day.

[00:29:35] Uh, yeah, let's just hope that this never comes. And I want to, you know, it never, I want to tell your listeners about how it should all go down. So the first thing that will happen is a massive cyber attack on communications day and everything.

[00:29:56] They're going to, everything that they have their fingers in right now, they're going to launch an attack on, you know, your Uber eats will not be delivered. Okay. It will, it will just, they're going to mess up everything. Facebook will be down. They want to do this to cause as much chaos and confusion before the attack. Okay.

[00:30:19] And then after that will be a high altitude air burst to get an EMP effect all across the nation. And it may not be just one. It may be several to make sure that it worked. EMP is very hit and miss. We don't know. I mean, we know this effect works. We don't know how well it will work.

[00:30:44] And, and then the nuclear bombs, uh, will, will be on target. So that's the way it'll all go down. Most likely at night because everybody that hates us are on the other side of the planet. And they're going to be attacking us with their day shift people. You know, have you ever been on night shift? So it would be a really bad night for us.

[00:31:14] That's when all of this is going. Most, most likely. I mean, you, you look at probabilities, you know, and, and the most probable nuclear attack still in the United States is a terrorist organization or a rogue nation. You know, with one or two bombs smuggled into the country or brought in in container ships. You know, the Tom Clancy novel.

[00:31:41] It's, it's, that is still the most likely attack because Putin knows what's going to happen if he uses nuclear weapons anywhere. And, you know, is, is NATO his first strike? You know, or is the United States? And, and really all he wants is the, yeah. Good question. All he wants is the United States not to join the fight.

[00:32:12] Right. I mean, you know, an EMP over Europe takes out Europe pretty much. Right. You know, a couple of bombs. And then, and then it's, it's a question of, of our resolve at that point. Right. It would be like, okay, you know, do you really want to get into a world war with us this point? Um, you know, just let us just get what we want and, uh, and call it quits bygones, be bygones.

[00:32:42] Um, you know, it, it could be a strategy. The more I think about it, uh, you know, an EMP over Europe takes them out of the game. And, and now he has, he has, he has that card in his hand that he can play. Um, and that's what gets me about all of these people, uh, who just seems to want to run into war.

[00:33:06] I mean, the guy showed up at, uh, at that, uh, what it was, a funeral with his, uh, uh, what is it? Yeah. The, uh, briefcase there, right. What do you call it? The, um, you know, uh, the football, right. The, our version of, you know, the, uh, his codes, right. The, uh, the, the, so I,

[00:33:28] it's just incredible to me that, um, we just seem, I don't know, uh, how did we get here where we just seem it's, I, is it because of Hollywood too much internet where people just can't seem to figure out reality? Like the dude serious. I mean, he's sending his folks and, you know, to all these bunkers, uh, you know, um, they know where their bunkers are and we don't.

[00:33:54] Uh, and, uh, you know, you listen to all our politicians and the, the message is, you know, yeah, let's, let's squeeze them some more, more sanctions, this and that, you know, no chemical weapons use or, or else, or we're going to be sending, uh, we're going to be sending more of our tanks and planes or, you know, equipment, uh, to help the Ukrainians. And now you have Finland and what was it? And Sweden. And what other small countries are now. Exactly. NATO.

[00:34:23] It's, it's insane. It, it, it, it just defies reality. He, he could just wipe them off the map and they would no longer be a threat if he's really serious. Right. I mean, so that's what gets me about this all the time. Um, you know, one of the questions I had here, you know, would you, in your opinion, would this be kind of a limited strike kind of a thing? Or would this be a mad event, like a mutually assured destruction event?

[00:34:49] Or, or do you think that, you know, this would be limited to very specific strikes? Um, and I knew, and I know that you kind of got into this a little bit, but, but what, what will work in their favor? Uh, what do you think would work in their favor? Well, you know, everybody looks at it as once the genie's out of the bottle, where does it stop?

[00:35:14] And, and one thing you definitely don't want is your missiles to stay put. You know, if they're launching missiles, you want your missiles out of their silos and going too. So, um, I think if it starts small, it, it may not end small, but then you also have to look at, okay, so have you seen Biden's football? Who's carrying Biden's?

[00:35:43] And, and who's going to open up that case and tell him the numbers and explain to him what the heck's going on? So, I think Putin's holding all the cards right here and we're just, we're just going along for the ride. I mean, and, uh, and this is not, I think this is where it's not being really conveyed. I think to the American public that we're in a really serious situation here.

[00:36:12] And, you know, people were talking about Will Smith and, and everything else when, you know, we're on the brink of a nuclear war. Now, what is our nuclear, uh, philosophy versus their, how there's, how do they think about this whole, um, you know, situation? Well, ours has changed over the years. And whereas we used to say no first strike, we've taken that off the table.

[00:36:39] So, so, so, and, and since we've gotten away from chemical weapons totally, we have only one thing in the quiver, one arrow, and that is the nuclear one. So, so, when they say there will be a response, um, you know, we threatened Saddam that if he used nuclear weapons, we were, or chemical weapons, we were going to nuke him. And he knew that.

[00:37:07] So, um, I think that's where we're at right now. The, the, the problem is this normalcy bias. People putting their head in the sand saying, oh, this will never happen, this will never happen. Well, you know what? They said that he would never go into Ukraine. Right? Those same normalcy biased people said, oh, he knows what will happen. He won't do that. And here we are.

[00:37:35] So, anybody that, they, they need to get a sense of reality and where we are in the world. And you need to get, you know, Poland put out a pamphlet to all their people. And it says what to do in case of an attack. And they're telling their people, have at least seven days of food and water in your house. You know, have a bug out bag ready to go.

[00:38:02] I mean, can you imagine if, if they did that in the United States? I mean, it would be pandemonium, as James likes to say. But, but, but, but, but shouldn't they just, just as a public safety thing?

[00:38:20] Shouldn't, shouldn't we have people now coming on, on the news and, and, and talking to the American public and letting them really understand the gravity of the situation? And, and coming up with some sort of a plan? Like, if this happens, okay, this is what you can do, you know, to, to safeguard yourself. There is nothing out there. That's troubling. That's really troubling.

[00:38:50] There seems to be this disconnect or this hole in the, in everything. When you have Poland and then Romania, they were giving out, what is it? Potassium iodide tablets and everything else. So all these countries are kind of like saying, okay, you know, this might be a possibility. And, and this could happen because they're kind of reading the writing on the wall because they're all Russia's neighbors. So they could all get attacked.

[00:39:17] And here we are where, you know, most Americans, this is not on their radar at all. I mean, I, I know that there's the gas prices and the food shortages and the different things going on, but this is something that, yeah, a lot of people are like, no, this would never happen. It could never happen. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, when you think about it, a pandemic could never happen. You know, an economic collapse could never happen.

[00:39:45] All the stuff that they're saying could never happen is happening right now. I mean, all the indicators to say that a recession is here is, are on the books. You know how you find out if you're in a recession is you look back three months. So, so three months from now, we'll know that we're there right now. So, so all of this stuff that can't happen is happening.

[00:40:12] So at what point do you say, jeez, maybe I better do something. Well, I really hope the listeners listening to this are beginning to understand the gravity of the situation. You know, I was actually going to do a show about, are we overreacting? Overreacting. Like, you know, are we all nuts? You know, like, you know, and, and just listening to you explain, you know, how we got here, their capabilities.

[00:40:41] You know, the difference in the way they view, they view the nuclear war as winnable while we apparently don't. They seem to have some sort of civil defense system set up and we really don't. Americans are kind of, we're kind of on our own. This, yeah, it is a wake-up call, I'm sure, for a lot of the people listening to this right now.

[00:41:13] So I've got a few more questions, right? And what can the, what few practical things can the average person do right now to get themselves prepared? You know, if you've never prepped, you're listening to this for the first time and you're like, oh my goodness. I don't know what's going on in the world and it was, oh, it was this serious. Um, you know, what can they do? Oh, that's a great question.

[00:41:38] So the first thing you need to do is assess the situation. Assess where you stand in, in prepping right now. So that you have a good idea of what you have on hand and what you don't have on hand. Okay. And, uh, um, once you have that, then you kind of have a to-do list. Okay.

[00:42:05] And then look for the place in your home that is the most safe. Okay. And it, it's different for, for different people. If it's your basement, you know, the lower back corner of the furthest, uh, spot that's underground. That is where you'll get the most protection from fallout, from blast, from heat, you know, everything that could happen.

[00:42:33] And then, and then if you want to make plans to shore that up better, you know, you may, might want to make, if you don't have time for a shelter. Okay. Okay. You might want to prop, uh, make like a lean tube right there so that if the house would collapse, it wouldn't crush you. Okay. So, you know, in the lower back portion, I'm kind of in the lower back portion right here.

[00:43:02] And if you have bookshelves, you want to put the bookshelves up against the wall that's exposed. Um, you know, and that's just, if you expect something, at least you'll have that much thought out. Make lists, you know, make lots of lists.

[00:43:24] Because, um, that was one of my questions because I can imagine, I mean, I used to live in New York City and, you know, it, we used to joke around all the time that we know that this is one of the places that are, you know, it's definitely going to get hit. Right. Yeah. Um, what can those people do?

[00:43:54] I mean, they're ground zero. Yeah. Right. Uh, so yeah, uh, I, I guess, and everybody lives in apartment buildings, right? Very few people live in, you know, their own detached home, um, in a big city, right? Most people live in apartment buildings, you know, multiple level apartment buildings.

[00:44:13] Um, what do you, do you have any advice for the guy or the, the, the woman who, you know, they're living in an apartment on the 10th floor, uh, uh, you know, in, in say New York City. Well, they have to know how to shelter in place. Okay. So they have to be able to, and this is for an immediate thing, whether it's a chemical attack or an actual rocket attack or anything like that.

[00:44:41] Know where the center part of the building is. Also, stairwells are required to have an extra, uh, layer of drywall. So stairwells are fireproof and they're more, uh, they have more structural integrity than, than regular, uh, apartments. So if you can get into the stairwell and not only that, that's where emergency response is going to come.

[00:45:10] Um, so even if you can't get down the stairwell, they're going to come in that way. So they'll be able to find you, uh, for New York City, I would have, uh, an evacuation plan. I would have a plan to go visit someone else somewhere.

[00:45:29] And if it looks like things are getting bad and it looks like something may be imminent, pack it up, take off, you know, call in sick for seven, eight days. See how things go. I mean, there's going to be some kind of buildup. There's going to be some kind of, you know, warning. I assume so. We, we have satellites.

[00:45:55] We have, you know, we listen to every phone call that's made. You know, there's going to be some kind of a, now whether or not we'll get the information, that's a, that's a question. You know, if they, if they look at this and say, well, it does no good to alert the public. It only caused panic. Well, that's a, that's a different story, but you'll know it's happening.

[00:46:16] If your Uber Eats don't work and Facebook goes down, everything's offline and you can't, you know, massive, massive cyber attack. Not, not just a pipeline shutting down, not just, you know, a water treatment plant in Florida going offline. It's going to be massive. That's when you'll know. And I, and I think that. Yeah. The canary in the coal mine. Yeah.

[00:46:44] I would think, you know, one of the things that we're, what we're doing here to prep is, you know, my whole thing is. If something major goes down like here, I, I'm pretty rural. You're also pretty rural. So we, we're not, I'm not worried about blasts and anything like that.

[00:47:03] It's all about not having electricity for maybe a couple of months and how to survive, you know, in really what would then be what a 19th century kind of a situation. You know, we know electricity, I, you know, yeah, the, the, you know, fallout, different things are going to get folks. But I think a lot of people are going to die from that simple fact that their electrical world is, is, is off. Communications are, are off.

[00:47:33] You know, I can see people dying, you know, you know, a block over from, from like a food depot because they have no comms. They, they, they have no way of knowing that help is, is that close. And that's one of the reasons why my, my friend and I, you know, we, we both got, well, he got the ham radio. I already had, had one, you know, because we're looking at that and going like, yeah, that can be a life and death situation with, you know, not having any communication at all.

[00:48:03] You know, you, you've heard me talk about the whole smokehouse thing because I've got, I've got freezers full of food and, and I know that I'm going to lose a lot of that. You know, you know, you were, you're, you, you, you saw the photos where, where I got, you know, it was half of a cow, you know, put away that one time.

[00:48:24] Um, you know, so, so we've been, we've been stocking, but I know once the freezers go offline and, and what am I going to burn knowing that we probably won't be able to access gasoline. Am I going to burn, you know, the, the, the 40, 50 gallons worth of gasoline just to keep my refrigerators running for what's, what would then turn out to be a really limited amount of time. Uh, so I'm thinking, yes, let's try and smoke some of this stuff and try and preserve it in, in, in other ways.

[00:48:54] Like, um, you know, I'm looking at how the pioneers did it now at this point, you know, like how, you know, how did they keep their food, uh, and preserve, you know, what was, you know, how did they do it? Um, so they didn't poison themselves or, you know, um, how did they store their food? So that's kind of where I'm, where I am, you know, and that's probably, and that's kind of because I'm a little bit further along in my prepping journey.

[00:49:19] It's, it's now evolved beyond, okay, let's just stop the food and let's just get the generator. Let's just get all these things. It's kind of like, okay, what's the next step? Can I produce my own food? And in a nuclear attack, that's going to be kind of interesting because if there is fallout, different things going on, right. Then, um, what about that new planted? You know, what about your water supply?

[00:49:43] So there's a lot of things, uh, that, um, what would, you know, in terms of the water supply, Dave, what would be your advice? Uh, what keep it in the basement? Well, you, you made me think of a couple of different things. And first, you, your listeners got to start with circles. So the circle is you and your family. That's a smaller circle. And then the bigger circle is your neighbors and your neighborhood.

[00:50:12] And then the bigger circle outside of that is that guy on the other end of that ham radio. So you start with the small circles and then you work your way out till you get all of those lined up. And what was the other thing you, you said, uh, oh, the water. Yeah. Well, you have to secure, you have to find, uh, secure water.

[00:50:39] Uh, so in your area, I mean, if you got, if you're on city water, uh, that's only going to be good for a certain amount of time. And even, even if it's not radioactive contamination, when those pumps go offline, the bacteria builds up in the pipes. And that's why they always have these boil water advisories and things like that.

[00:51:04] So you're going to have to find an alternate water source that you can count on at least one, uh, because no one can store enough water. I mean, and you can't trust what falls out of the sky either.

[00:51:21] So if you have a system set up, if you, I look at it this way, if you have water, okay, you can filter it, you can treat it, you can boil it, you can distill it, you can make it drinkable. But if you don't have water, you can't make it. So yeah, put the catchment out there and do that.

[00:51:43] But, you know, and all those people who have animals, I mean, if you have chickens and, and goats and your livestock and, you know, how do you, uh, you know, how do you, um, deal with that? Because they're going to need water and they're going to need what they got to get watered, you know, every day or every other day while you're dealing with this emergency.

[00:52:13] Right. So it's, it's, it's a real issue. It's going to be a real problem. Is there a way that you could, well, if everything is offline, there's no way you could track the fallout, right? I guess you could get online if that was possible. They would probably have some maps where you could see, okay, the fallout is going this way or that way or whatever. But is there a way, is there, is there any way to track fallout? Like when, you know, off, if everything's offline?

[00:52:40] Well, you, you kind of got to have maps, hard copies of maps. And I'll tell you the way we did it because this was back before, you know, when calculators were brand new. So we did everything by hand. We drew pictures on maps.

[00:52:55] We drew pictures on maps.

[00:53:25] And they would have them just go offline and melt down on their own. Okay. Why would you waste a nuke? Yeah. That is, that, that, that is a question that a buddy of mine wanted me to ask you. You know, how much of a possibility, right? A, or threat, you know, is a nuclear power plant.

[00:53:48] Because there's some people, the ton of Oswego, you know, up here, upstate New York, close by, they have a nuclear power plant there. Should those people be worried? Well, they should. You know, if there's anybody there listening to it. They should be worried that things go offline and a nuclear meltdown occurs.

[00:54:19] Sorry, Dave. We just missed that a little bit. Can you repeat? Yeah. Just finish up what you were saying real quick. Sure. The nuclear power plant is more vulnerable if it goes offline and they don't have the safety measures.

[00:54:43] If they can't shut it down from generation, that's when there's a problem. So if you're downwind of a nuclear power plant, yeah, you need to be concerned, but they're not going to shoot a nuke. Okay. That's something that will melt down anyways. Is there a radius around, say, a nuclear power plant that you should be concerned about? Yes. Yes.

[00:55:10] Everybody that, and you have to get it from your state emergency operations people. They have minimum safe distances. And I think it's five mile radius, 10 mile radius. And the reason they do radius is because they don't know which way the wind's blowing whenever this will happen. So they just draw a circle around.

[00:55:32] So if the wind is blowing, okay, normal, those people are going to get it. And the people upwind, I mean, if you look at the radiation patterns for Chernobyl, okay, and Chernobyl was way bigger reactor than we have in the United States.

[00:55:54] So that was a massive meltdown that we don't have anything that big in the United States. Man, we got a lot of park. We got a lot of plants. But they can get an idea. All spread out across the United States. Yes. So it's going to be a real problem for a lot of people, actually. One other question. Pennsylvania had number two.

[00:56:21] They were number two only to the state of Illinois. So Illinois has more than Pennsylvania. Yeah, they're all over the place. Wow. And I live a few. I could get to Pennsylvania in about 20 minutes from where I live because the border kind of slopes up to here. So, okay. Yeah, but the prevailing winds wouldn't bring it up your way. Normal. I really hope not.

[00:56:50] Now, one other question. Yeah. They wanted me to ask you was the potassium iodide pills. Okay. Yes. Yes. Should we have that as part of the preps? Should we not? You know how effective it is? And is there a dosage or how is that supposed to work? Yes, there is. All of that is. Everybody got to do their own research on this potassium iodide because it has a very limited application.

[00:57:21] It will protect your thyroid from radioactive iodine. So it is released in a nuclear exchange but not in the quantities, not in large quantities. And it doesn't travel very far from ground zero. So you're more vulnerable to it in a nuclear power plant meltdown.

[00:57:44] Now, they don't recommend potassium iodide for anybody over 40 because it's designed to stop you from getting cancer 20 years from now. Okay. So it has a very limited use. And then when do you start taking them? When do you stop taking them? And younger people get a smaller dose than older people. You know, their thyroid are still developing.

[00:58:11] So you got to figure out what dose for your child may be. My best advice is don't be there. Don't get there. Don't be where the fallout is. Don't be where the contamination is. Don't be where the price is. You know, if you want it in your preps, it used to be a cheap, inexpensive prep. Now the price has gone way up on them.

[00:58:41] They just have a very limited use. Okay. And if you're not downwind of a nuclear power plant, I would say you wouldn't need it at all. Okay. So just two more questions, right? And so walk us through what you would be doing. Yeah, the warden's eyeballing me. Yeah. So walk us through what you've been doing during the first eight hours after an attack.

[00:59:07] What would be some of the things that, okay, I got to get this done, this done, this has got to get done? Yeah. Yeah. Well, first of all, the very first thing you got to do is get a grip on yourself. I mean, it's going to be a flood of emotions like you've never had before.

[00:59:32] It's going to be something that you're going to have to come to terms with in your own mind before you do anything. And until you get that calm, I would say don't do anything because you don't want to do the wrong thing. You know, run to your Faraday cage and bust out your radiac equipment and all that kind of stuff. And then they launch another bomb. And now all your stuff is fried, you know?

[01:00:00] So you want to assess the situation. That's the first thing you want to do. And you want to do that in any kind of an attack. You want to assess where you are. Know that yesterday was the last day you had to prep. Okay? So secure the basics. Water, food, shelter, security. Okay? Do all this before you even establish communications.

[01:00:28] This is assuming that your family is all there. Okay? If your family is not there, you should have plans. You should have plans what to do, where to go, if the attack happens when you're not home. You know, we have here in the Jones house a standing thing. We're all going to come home. If we're away, we're all going to meet at home.

[01:00:54] If they're not at home, there's a closet that's designated inside the closet door is where they're going to write where they're going. Okay? So if they have to leave home for any reason, that's the message board. And, yeah. Yeah. So that's basically, you know, the first eight hours, huddle up, get your act together, understand.

[01:01:21] Another thing, understand that the zombie hordes aren't coming over the horizon. Okay? Everybody's going to be doing the same thing you are, figuring out what the heck just happened. That there's going to be chaos, confusion, and in that time, you have time to A, get home, or B, get your act together. I think that this is a good spot to end it, Dave.

[01:01:49] You know, hopefully this will help some folks. And, you know, for the most part, yeah, it is survivable. I think it does come down to how well prepared, I guess, you are for it. If it does occur, you know, your odds are better if you're most likely in a rural, you know, living situation versus a more urban situation, of course.

[01:02:17] But it is survivable, and it really does come down a lot to, you know, I guess, planning and making sure that, yeah, if you are in a highly populated area, then you can get out. Make sure that you have some plan to leave, if that's the case. You know, if you've got to walk out, you know, you have a bag that you can just take with you, and if you have a family, because I'm guessing everything is going to be rubble.

[01:02:45] So, if something like, if a bomb goes off over your city, then there's a chance that you might not be able to drive out or bike out, probably. Your best bet is to try and walk out, and you have a pre-planned destination in mind, as Dave was saying. You know, it's... Hey, and I'd like to put a quick plug in here for those people that are in the city and they don't have a plan.

[01:03:14] Look into Fortitude Ranch. Fortituderanch.com. It's my plan B. You know, everybody's got to have a plan B. So, if we can't be here, which we got it pretty good. You know, I tell people I live in my bug out location. If we can't be here, that's where we're going. So, look into FortitudeRanch.com. Well, folks, yeah, you heard Dave, right?

[01:03:42] You know, and as I said, you know, if any of this made you uncomfortable, you know, that was not what we're striving for here. We're just trying to give you information that you can use to factor into your own plans. You know, a nuclear attack is definitely survivable.

[01:04:03] You know, you just have to make sure that you have your plans in place and let your whole family in on it and let them understand, you know, like, okay, if there's an emergency, then this is what's supposed to be happening. And if you're at different places, if something like this occurs, you know, how you're going to get home, just have those plans in place.

[01:04:24] You know, keep checking into PBN because, you know, we're going to be giving you a lot more shows like this and advice like this until the, you know, the crisis passes. Okay.

[01:04:38] And, you know, and if you found, if you heard something today that you think someone can use, then I would advise you to pass, you know, pass this podcast around, pass PBN around, tell people about Pepper Broadcasting.com. You know, if you want to become a member, you know, feel free to do so. Go on over to PBN. It helps us to keep, you know, putting out shows like this.

[01:05:07] It helps to keep the lights on, to pay the bills. You know, this is all just about saving lives. So I really want to thank Dave for being such a sport about everything. And, you know, keep listening to PBN. I believe what we have, The Last American coming up tomorrow when you hear this. If this is aired on Friday, you'll be hearing The Last American.

[01:05:34] And on Sunday, we have Sarah Hathaway with the Changing Earth podcast, which is going to be great. You know, if you want to listen and get information about, you know, what's going on with the earth and, you know, how everything works with the climate and everything else, great show to listen. And on Sunday, we're going to have Reliance with Stephen Menking. So, you know, all the great shows this week on PBN. You know, once again, thank you, Dave.

[01:06:03] And until next time, good night, folks.