Church and State - Natural Healing and UFOs with Dr John Waterman

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But he's also been a researcher into UFOs, originally went to college to be an architect, but ultimately left that before he finished so that he could pursue natural healing and really the paranormal. He's also been a frequent guest on Caravan to Midnight with John B. Wells. Dr. John, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. It's good to be here. I appreciate you having me on. It's going to be fun, I'm sure. Absolutely. So, you know, the title of the show to natural healing in UFOs, you know, that's quite a mixture. There might be oil and water. I'm not sure. But let's get into it. Let's get into the natural healing first, because I'm a big proponent of this. I'm big on medical freedom. I tell people all the time. to not take the pharmaceuticals. There is plenty that God has created in his environment that will give you better results without the side effects. Why did you get into this? I got into it while I was in the corporate world because my mother died of cancer. And it wasn't like I had a bad job, actually. I happened to be at what became Sprint by the time I left it. It was Sprint. Before that, it was U.S. Telecom. And it grew from about 1,500 of us to 85,000 in five years. It was quite a ride. And I represented Sprint. I wanted to help somebody with cancer after my mother died, so I asked corporate if I could represent Sprint at the American Cancer Society. So they said, okay. And so I became, I got on the board. I was only like 35 and everybody else was old like I am now. And so I was on the board the first year they were talking about cancer. And they said, in this report, this annual, I just sat there, I was a freshman on the board. And they said the growth rate of cancer is 2% more than the cure rate. And I said, how do they know that? You know, I had so many questions. The second year, they said the growth rate of cancer is 1% above the cure. And I go, all right, we're getting, you know, I was looking at, for the next year to be like, oh, my gosh. Now, why this was so important to me, other than, yes, it was my mother, but she was about the 10th person in my family to die of cancer. So anyway, I went to the third meeting the third time, and they had this report. I was a junior. I was a little more vocal by that time, and they kind of had me, you know, pegged and groomed hour where they, I guess, wanted me to act and I still didn't fit it and they gave up pretty much, I think. And they said the growth rate of cancer, and this is the chairman reading the report, is 5% ahead of the cure. And I jumped up and said, what? I mean, I was, it was like I was loud. And the chairman said, I think we need to take a break. Okay. So I took we took a break and I went into the, you know, out in the hallway and there's a restroom out in the foyer. And I'm at their building. I'm at the Cancer Society's building. And I was standing outside kind of in the little foyer in front of the boardroom. And this vice president came down the hall and he stopped. He's with the American Cancer Society. And he stopped, he said, you look pretty upset in there. I said, well, I was. He said, well, you know, we don't have plans. I said, well, what'd you say? And he just nonchalantly said, we're not planning on curing cancer. And he just walked off. I didn't know whether to deck the guy or I went in the bathroom for a minute again, okay? It survived. I walked back out and I said, these guys, they know they're not trying to cure it. Now, this is a horse's mouth. Now, on top of my one of these things up here, I've got a plaque. I think that one right there for raising money at cancer. And and I've got all those stuff. I actually threw those away. They got rescued by my better half. because I was disgusted with the group. When I went, when they told me that in the hallway, I went back in the bathroom and I, I was very upset. You know, I grew up on a farm that was settled in Missouri. It was, uh, okay. It was really early in the state. It was between the Santa Fe trail and the little blue river. It was about 2,500 acres and they had a log cabin before they built this great big farmhouse and so like my greats were very involved and my granddad was a marshal in Missouri and so forth my dad by the way ended up in Normandy invasion but the bottom line was I had a history of large you know picnics and stuff out at the farm And what ended up happening was we didn't have those anymore. They were all gone. And I lost a lot because of that. So I walked back up to the doors. I had my hands in front of me to push the doors in. They were double doors in the board. I just stopped. I said, I used to want to be an architect. And by the way, I interned for. Several years and it took 12 years to intern. And then they passed a bill saying you couldn't become an architect or they passed or the board did. The registration board didn't want anybody unless they went to a college. And I did that, but I was interning mainly. And so they changed that. But I was recruited before I even finished that And was hired about four more times by the man that kept buying a company. The last one became Sprint. And here I am standing in there really going, what am I doing? I really am not where I want to be. And I just about pushed the doors open into that boardroom. And I had several years at Sprint. I helped start it. it. I put President Reagan's office on the fiber optics. I handled George Bush's economic summit in Houston on the long distance. And I helped develop through, by the way, an AI computer. voice recognition system so you could just pick up the phone and say phone home. And we got it done through an AI computer on the 10th floor with Ross Perot and his Cray computers. And by the way, this is the 80s. And we were using Get this, AI computers, AI language. That doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, honestly, the technology that the public is aware of is at least a decade behind what we actually have. Oh, it was blown away. They gave me a programmer and I said, look, I don't know how to program. They said, you won't need to. And they sat down and they said, what do you need to know to make voice recognition happen? And I said, well... I'll give you a list of questions. He said, that's perfect. So I gave him the list of questions. I said, are you ready? Are you going to program? He says, this is the program. I said, I don't get it. He says, all you have to do is ask the questions. It's going to give us the answer. So we ran this for a few seconds. It cost us, oh, $ 100, 000 in the 80s. And it ran for like, I think it was six seconds. Can you believe that? I do. And voila, voila, we had this voice recognition system. It was so good. It ended up at that military base on the Arizona-Mexico border tracking site. cartel bosses, I guess. That's what I heard. Tracking cartel bosses as we brought their products into the United States. Yeah, that's what kind of got me upset. Right. Yeah. I'm going, well, it didn't do very well, but no, it probably did. Anyway, I didn't know where it went after that. But anyway, so I'm standing there thinking of all this stuff. Okay. And I had a really good, you know, Now, I'm no muckety-muck, okay, at Sprint. I'm as high as you can go. I wanted to go. I didn't want to get into, you know, the corporate officer headaches. And the guy that hired me there had hired me four times every time he bought a new company. So I was, like, shifted, never really— I just kind of felt like a tag-along. But anyway, bottom line, I had a good job, though. And I said, you know— We're here to make, Sprint's here to make money. And I'm no muckety and muck, but these offices, the kind of the carpet was real squishy. I said, man, this is like a mob boss lawyer, you know? And I said, teak paneling, wallet? I mean, this is better than my office. And I'm at least there for profit. And so I said, this is, and when I, it just hit me. I said, they're not here to do what I think they're doing. So I froze about six inches from that door and I said, I've had it. I've had it. All I ever wanted to be was an architect. Now here I am years and years later. And so I walked out. I didn't tell a soul. I walked out of that building. I walked, I got in my car, went over to my office. I didn't tell a soul. I just loaded up everything and I walked out of the building. That brought you into health care or to natural healing. I respect you for your decision there, like realizing that the people that are supposed to be the biggest proponents for finding a cure for cancer were in reality bilking the most vulnerable, the people that are desperate, and they're living large off of this. And you can see, and I've covered on this show so many times, There is cures for cancer. And I've had, you know, the 17 people on here talking about that. So this led you on this journey towards trying to help people through nature. That's right. So I left and I all I had in my mind was I'm going to save one mother, one mother. That's all I wanted to save. It was a long journey. I had to ask the dean to give me an extra year. I was not prepared to compete with, you know, people a lot younger than me and to keep up the rigor of the schedule. The dean gave me one more year. Thank goodness. Now, I did pretty good. I did pretty good. Eventually after that, I left. After I became a naturopath, I got an offer to teach the honors program in Michigan in pre-med and nursing. And it was kind of a lot of fun because I brought to their stage in the medical world. And I wouldn't give up, by the way, I I only did adjunct. They wanted me long for full time, but I wouldn't do it. I wanted to stay in the clinic. And so, but they tried to entice me. They gave me an office with all the other full timers and everything. And the adjuncts hated my guts. I said, look, it wasn't my call. This is what they're doing. Not me. You know, don't get mad at me. Come on in. You can use my office if you want. But anyway, I taught that. And so what I would do was I would get a little ahead of the syllabus, and I taught anatomy, and especially anatomy class, I'd get a little ahead of the syllabus. Boy, they didn't like that. But about the time that they were really moaning, I would stop, and I wouldn't tell them that I'm going to do something completely different. Because in that environment, every minute is so important. You don't have time for stuff you're not going to be tested on. So I introduced the first, every year, every semester, the first thing that I would show him when I took this break was a video of Royal Rife using frequencies to kill microbes. And it was called Virus X and so forth, but it was cancer, right? And then we went through the story about him taking some stage four cancer people and curing them. And- And it was done with the blessing of the director of the AMA in Southern California, who after that got murdered. So this has been a conspiracy against the real answers for a long time. But I wanted them in their world to know what was available. Does that make sense? It does. I wanted them to be able to understand what was— optional as far as medicine. All right. And so you're into the natural healing and you're looking at cancer treatments and there's a lot of different options out there. I would remind the audience once again that there are a lot of options. People are having great effect with ivermectin, for example. Some people are using cannabis frequencies, which you have brought up. But I wanted to ask you this because I want to ask you about the UFO thing because this is such a strange transition to going from natural healing to UFOs. Was it because of the conspiracy theories or the conspiracy theories surrounding treatment of cancer that led you into examining UFOs? This is kind of a hard and difficult topic for me because— What I'm about ready to say is kind of hard to believe. It's kind of hard to believe for me. I was five years old, and I was living in a house in the east side of Kansas City with my parents, of course. And I was in my room, and here's what I think happened. Okay. Okay. There came a monster in my room. And I was, by the way, just like any other kid, not quite yet old enough to go to even, I was first grade level. You know, that's what we're talking about here. And I was sleeping on one of those steel iron bed that had the piper over the top. And it's a real heavy metal bed. frame that had, you know, a mattress on it. It was extremely heavy, just a big old heavy frame. And this creature appears in the door. And what I remember is that I was, it grabbed my leg and I put my arm around the pole post of the bed that had the metal, you know, frame and the foot bed was the foot was also metal. And I went like this and I was screaming in my head, bloody murder. Nobody came, but I was pulled up in the air off the bed. I wasn't going to go. This was just, this is what I remember. And the only evidence that I have that it isn't made up in my mind is that that next morning I woke up in the bed and the bed had been drug across the room and was smashed up against the door. There was no way I could move the bed. And there was no way I was going anywhere. Now, I think I was divinely protected. I really do. I think there was an attempt. I have, in the past, drawn a sketch of the whole thing, and it ended up at MUFON and all that stuff. I don't know what they do with it. I'm not sure that we can even trust them, but that's the way it goes. And it really was kind of in the back of my mind for a long time, but The next night I was downstairs and it was time to go to bed, they said, you know, usually. And I said, I'm not going up there. My parents go, what? You know, and so I told them. And then they began to connect the dots. I don't want to go up there. The bed was dragged across the room. When she woke me up, she says, what are you doing in the bed here? And I said, I didn't do this. You know, well, obviously I didn't move this thing. It was huge. And so I wouldn't, they could not get me up there. So my dad said, okay, I'll sleep on the couch. I said, I want to sleep on the couch. No, no, you sleep on the floor. Well, the second night I had to sleep on, I said, I don't want to sleep on the floor anymore. He says, well, you've got a choice here. You can go up to your room. And I said, no, you know, I was very adamant about doing that it wasn't long after that that we moved and I think it's a lot to do with that but that's when we moved east of Kansas City onto the family farm at the time that was handed down through the family. So the reason why you got interested in this is because you had an encounter, an experience with, and from my perspective, a demonic entity is. What I would point to. I would think that's, yep. And I appreciate that. And, you know, like I've shared with my audience before, I've seen a UFO myself. There's a lot of people out there that doesn't make us strange or conspiracy theorists. There's a lot of people from all walks of life who've experienced either encounters with aliens or with UFOs. So this, I guess, led to a kind of a lifelong interest for you into the paranormal. It did. And I I kept, you know, my mind wondering what the heck's going on. Uh, and I decided to, uh, begin exploring what this all might've met. Um, and it was during my, uh, my kids adult years that one of them called me and said, dad, he was a trucker. And by the way, he had clearance. So he could do hauling of things that were not, you know, that need clearance. So he, might be hauling stuff from an air base. In fact, he called me one time, and I said, I'm hearing jets taking off. He says, yeah, Dad, I'm right at the end of the base here, and the jets are taking off. I said, why are the jets taking off? Now, I bet you hadn't heard about what this was. He said, Dad, it was on the East Coast, and he said, Dad, they've gotten a threat. There's a nuclear bomb, and they're emptying all the jets and the warehouses. And I'm here to get all the stuff out of the warehouse. I said, great. You know, those guys can get out pretty fast. But anyway, he was going down the road in his truck with a load. And he calls me on the phone. He said, Dad, Dad, there's a, yeah, it is. And he's kind of breaking up a little bit. And I said, well, what's going on? He says, there's a, you won't believe it, Dad. There's a UFO behind me. I said, he said, I'm going to check. I said, what are you doing? He says, I'm stopping. I said, don't get out. Don't get it. And all of a sudden, uh, I'm talking to him and I can't get him and I can't get him. And I can't, it was an about, uh, it was about an hour and I kept calling and I, cause I mean, you know, I've already been through something and I knew this was potentially real. And so I kept calling and calling, and I called him. It took about an hour. He answered the phone, and he says— I said, where have you been for the last— he says, what do you mean? He did not know that he had been missing for an hour. Now, that— That's such a common story, sir. I mean, so many of the people that I've talked to that have had these kind of encounters, there's a time lapse where they don't remember. That's right. That's right. He had this. Now, this has happened twice. And I don't know, but I think I'd like to kind of tell you what I think this is. When before Adam was made, it appears that there were probably, by the way, the earth was the crowning jewel of God's creation. the crowning jewel. Likely, Lucifer, who was the cherub that covers, right, before he fell, had a position of authority on this planet. And when he rebelled, there was war in heaven. And God, you will read this, you can read this in the Bible, and that The earth is God's footstool. So after that rebellion, the earth came from its glory and peak of creation. I mean, this is his pinnacle of creation. It goes and becomes his footstool, okay? And, of course, Lucifer was not allowed or not supposed to be going to planet earth, right? And so he restored the planet Earth probably from some pretty bad destruction. And we see after verse 2 that he begins this creation event probably to replenish the Earth. There's a lot to be said now about this because now it's still his footstool. We see that. Adam was created and he began to notice that other other people had wives and he goes wait a minute I want a wife right and so God took from his body his DNA to create Eve and the reason by the way Eve fell And sin entered the world and why Lucifer tried through deception to make this happen. He picked why he picked on E first is kind of you can miss it real easy, but I think I've got that answer. Let me pause you real quick here because I and I apologize to the audience and to my guests, but we've hit that hard break here real quick. I guess it's a great teaser, though, if you want to come back and find out why. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with Church and State. I'm here to tell you about Hunter's Blend Coffee. 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And we're exploring a very interesting theory regarding Adam and Eve, the creation of the earth, Lucifer. Obviously, what we're talking about here will have something to do with Genesis 6-4 and the creation of these hybrid beings. But as we're exploring this idea with Dr. John Waterman, I will point out that this does answer some questions here, things that I've had when I've read the Bible, like, Who is Cain afraid of? Why, after he kills Abel, is he afraid of people if only Adam and Eve, his mother and father, are on the earth? Why does God give him a mark so that everybody will be able to identify him? Who does Cain go and marry? Who does Cain go and build a city for? These are all. Questions that are not answered in the Bible. John may have a theory here that might work. Go ahead, sir. Well, what happened, in my opinion, was that he made Eve... for Adam, okay? He didn't make her lower than him. She wasn't his boss. They, that wasn't the, they were equal, okay? This was not any lopsided, you know, relationship here. This was a help meet, okay? And apparently there were other creatures similar to humans that had partners and he was upset, you know, I'm, I'm alone. And, uh, so, um, I, I think, you know, with the, uh, uh, theories that they say the black race and the Chinese race are older than, uh, the white race that might actually have been the, the ones that were born or put on the planet before Adam was okay. And so when Lucifer came to tempt them, uh, it's, you know, he fell because he wanted to ascend the sides of the north, okay? Well, here's where the planet was when it became his footstool. Think of your head as usually pointing north. And so his footstool meant that the earth went south. And so that meant that he was going to ascend again into the north and take over, right? But What ended up happening was he came to earth to attack the creation of God the Father. And when he did, he didn't pick on Eve because she was weaker. He picked, he said, surely thou, God hath not said thou will die if you partake. And the reason why he used that phrase and that attack was it wasn't her that God told not to partake of the food. Adam, you can read it. It was only Adam that was told that by God. And then God relayed that to Eve. Do you see what I'm saying? So this dude called the devil walks in and says, hey, Eve, you know, Adam may not be right. Surely God hath not said, you see where I'm going now? And that could cast doubt because she wasn't told directly by God not to partake. It was Adam's instructions. And the reason why she got in trouble and became punished for her, you know, and that Adam was made over was because he had told her that's not what we're supposed to do according to God, but she did it anyway. So now she's been punished with kind of, so to speak, being put in subjection to her partner and they were in sin, right? They were then found to be, you know, naked. And guess what? God kills a lion to cover their flesh, right? To cover their nakedness, which is representative of Jesus, the lion in the tribe of Judah, covering their sins, right? Absolutely. That whole thing, right? And so what ends up happening, though, is this, and the way I like to look at it, And by the way, I haven't cracked the nut open. I'll do it real quick. I worked on the Stardust Project with NASA and I've worked on the LIGO project with Kip Thorne out of Caltech to work on gravity waves. And through that, we've got a lot more we can talk about because that's where they're getting the Stardust Project is what has resulted in chemtrails. OK, they don't want to tell you why they're hiding it. Of course, the deep state and all the players that you know running around out there like the musk of the world. They know what that meant, what it ended up telling us. And I can get into that some other time. But the bottom line that I love to talk about is the little war. Well, big war. That resulted from Genesis 315. Right. And what that is about is that we have something where the Bible says he put enmity or hate between the Adamic man and the seed of Lucifer. Now, the seed of Lucifer, we oftentimes always. And in fact, I did myself thought of the other fallen angels. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Those angels are not the seed of Lucifer. No. Are they? No. So I went to look at the lineage of Adam and Jesus both. I've read them in the Bible. Guess what? Guess who's not in Adam's lineage? If you read it, Cain's not there. That's right. All right. So what was Cain? Why would... Why would Eve have to go tell Adam, hey, by the way, I have a child from the Lord. Why would she have to tell him anything? He should know. But she told him because it wasn't him. She's letting him know the Lord gave me a child. Now, the Lord's capital, it's, you know, not law. Lord God Almighty, but definitely a Lord. You know, the even, you know, kings in the 1500s and the 1200s, they were called Lords, right? Sure. Well, Lucifer's got a position in his little realm and he's a Lord. And so she was letting him know, gosh, I've got this guy from the Lord. And when you hear Jesus speak, he said, Cain was a liar from the beginning and it was his father who that gave him, you know, made him the, he's been a liar ever, ever since. And it was because he was of Lucifer. So I'm going, wow. So, so Cain could have been the first of the Nephilim is, is what you're saying. Now here's something we, we got to get back to now. Let's talk about, okay. So he made Adam and Eve. And Lucifer has been kicked out of heaven along with his buddies, one-third. And we're told that there's an innumerable, unnumberable amount of fallen angels. So that means one-third of innumerable is a lot of people. Okay, a lot of angels kind of chose poorly, you know. And by the way, they don't need calculators to add and subtract. These angels are brilliant. They are amazing. extremely intelligent, probably I can imagine what the IQ of even Adam would have been, but they don't have to run around with a calculator to get their math done, okay, like some of our famous scientists. And so they knew, having lived in that fourth realm that we can't see, they know the laws and physics of the universe and what they are and can manipulate those. And just like you and I can see into the second dimension, we can see a line on a piece of paper. We can manifest ourselves on that paper, by the way. Take a pen, put a dot on it. We've showed up in their dimension, in that two dimensions, right? And so just like our three dimensions, and they're from the fourth, they can manifest into our third dimension and poke little probes in there too and see what it is. Sometimes when we see these orbs, we must remember what might be behind the orb. That might just be the landing pod of a great big ship or something. So it's just, or it could be a plane. We don't know what it is, but we know that the fallen angels have mastered the physics enough to know how to go from their dimension into the third dimension. Like we can go from our third into the second when we write on paper and stuff. So we have no way, though, have you ever seen a letter pop off the paper? Well, I don't mean metaphorically, but letters don't come off the page, right? So they can't manifest 3D. And yet we're stuck in that kind of world. We're in the three-dimensional. We have not been given the ability to be 3D or 4D. The angels are in 4D. They can be in 2D. They can be in 3D. And so they can come and go. In fact, that's why God gave Adam, he was given dominion of the land and the sea and the air. And that's all, not space. In fact, God said, if you go to space, if you try and put your nest in the heavens, I will bring thee down, which was what was going on, by the way, in Babylon. They were launching into a domain they were not supposed to have dominion over. By that time, of course, there was a lot of bad guys, a lot more probably than good guys, I would guess, or a lot of them anyway, enough to do stuff. And so when Apollo 11 went into space, by the way, their patch is an eagle with a nest laying it on the moon. And here is a verse in the Bible that says, like an eagle, you will descend from earth and put your nest in the heavens, and I will bring you down. Why? Because that's not our domain. God gave Adam dominion over everything, but not out there. Why? Well, you're going to run into some creatures out there that you're going to have a problem with, so I can protect you. Stay in your domain, because we'll take care of that later, right? are perfected, likely we're going to have a roundup of guys. And you and I are going to be involved in that, I think. That's what I believe. I think this is a really incredible theory. And let me just caution the audience. These are These are some subjects that are not obviously canonized, right? This isn't what the church is going to be teaching. But I don't think it's wrong for us when we explore our Christianity to ask these kind of questions and to come up with theories. Is this something that separates you from the love of God and the grace of Jesus? Absolutely not. But it's fun to go and explore these types of conversations. And I mean, honestly, like to me, it edifies me to to explore this. You know, maybe you're wrong. Maybe maybe that's a totally different theory that we haven't discussed on today's episode. But I still believe that it edifies and points to God, the creator. I can I like to look at it like this. God, we have something called the Adamic covenant. Well, what's that? Right. The reason why Adam was redeemed. was because he didn't do what Lucifer did. Lucifer didn't have another guy come in and say, ha ha, I think you'd like this popsicle. You know, it didn't happen that way. Lucifer said, okay, I'm tired of this. I'm going to take over. You know, that was within him and it came out from inside of him. And so when he was judged and condemned and the war happened in heaven, so to speak, there was, that was it. judgment's over. It's too late. You can't be redeemed. So Lucifer's looking and his hordes are looking for redemption. And they were probably trying to figure out how can we integrate with the Adamic race in order to inherit this? Because in the redemption called the Adamic covenant, it was his seed that And any of his prodigy, all of his children, could inherit. Now, that doesn't mean you immediately go to heaven. It means you got a ticket to be offered to live forever with Jesus Christ. But you got to make that train, and that train is— You got to volunteer it. Yeah, exactly. He didn't want— God didn't want chatty Cathy's where you go, I love you. I love you. No, he didn't want that. He wanted you to choose. He's giving us free will. It amazes me that's even there. Let me just say this, John. We've got that. Yeah, I hate to say this, but we're at the end of the show here. I'd like to point out to the audience that I've read the book of Enoch and the book of Enoch is actually they talk about the redemption attempt by these fallen angels. That's actually what Enoch is to do. He's a mediator between the fallen angels and God. So once again, not canonized, but a fascinating book to read. Dr. John, it has been a pleasure having you on the show. I want to point to the website, simplyyourhealth.com. Obviously, this is just with the natural healing. There's a lot more that you go into, but at the very least, they can check out your website. But sir, I really appreciate your time. We'll have to have you back. I know we barely scratched the surface, so we'll have you back and we'll have another conversation. But thank you so much for joining us on Church and State. Thank you very much for tolerating the old tales here I get from that. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I think the audience will as well. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and close this out. Thank you, sir. Church and State, hey, look, we are exploring different topics. We're having a whole slew of different guests on, and I think you enjoy that. I mean, this is the things that interest me. I'm not a one-trick pony. I'm not somebody that's just going to talk Welcome to the fire. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with Church and State, and I want to tell you about Patriot Pouch. Look, if you're one of these individuals that's interested in nicotine and potentially the health benefits from it, but you're concerned about some of the side effects, Patriot Pouch might be your answer. This is a company that uses nixidine instead of nicotine. It hits the same nicotine receptors in your brain, but without those side effects like elevated heart rate or elevated blood pressure. 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