Church and State - The Burning Man Cult with Alex Newman and Sean Patrick Tario

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We actually did half an interview, and then we realized we weren't recording. So it was just a wonderful conversation amongst friends. But let's get into this. Alex, you just returned from Burning Man. And for the audience, perhaps they don't know exactly what Burning Man is. So perhaps we should start there. What is Burning Man? What draws people to this event? Well, thanks again, Caleb. And I don't see how we can replicate that amazing discussion that we had the other day. So we'll do our best. But, man, I was really enjoying that. So it was a great conversation among friends, if nothing else. Burning Man is very hard to put into words. It's very hard to explain. We asked probably 200 people at Burning Man, what is Burning Man? And we didn't get two answers that were even close to each other. Some people will tell you it's a festival, it's a movement, it's a city. I mean, every kind of thing you could imagine we heard. And I think it's partly all of those things, but I think most significantly, it's a movement that's seeking to build a new culture. And that's not just my opinion after having been there. The co-founder, Larry Harvey, very clearly articulated his vision for the creation of a new culture, which he said he hoped would eventually supplant the old culture, what's left of our Christian culture. And that's really the essence of what's happening at Burning Man. It's whirring. It's whizzing. It's chaos. It's crazy. It's dust storms. It's mud that you can't get off your feet. It's techno music blasting. It's fire flamethrowers blasting everywhere. It's a big pagan temple. It's the burning of an effigy of a man that's got all sorts of spiritual significance. But at its core, what these people are doing is they're building a whole new world, a whole new system of values. And the reason it's so important is You might almost say it's a cover story, the idea that it's just a bunch of hippies going out to the desert to take mushrooms and dance the night away. As Elon Musk put it very clearly, Burning Man is Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley is Burning Man. And once you understand that the people who are building the digital gulag that they want us to all live in are the people who are responsible for this thing called Burning Man... it takes on a whole new level of significance. The people writing the algorithms that govern what you see all day, every day, while you sit in front of your phone, doom, scrolling, or whatever. These are the people who are involved in Burning Man with the orgies and all the rest, with the summoning of spirits, all of it. And I think it's extremely significant, even if it's hard to put into words, Caleb. Sure. Sean, you've also had some great experience. Well, I can't say great experiences, but you came out of Silicon Valley. And you did have some experiences with the Burning Man crowd. Can you go ahead and enlighten the audience about that? Yeah, I think the key for people to understand as it relates to Silicon Valley is it's the higher ups. It's like the leadership, the executives. It's the money, the power brokers in Silicon Valley that are there because it's the hot place to be. It's where all the action is. It's where all the. the new thinking and the new ideas are coming from. So if you want to be in the it crowd, you're there. You're at the other events that they have because Burning Man is just a couple, it's a week-long event, but they have other events throughout the course of the year where similar communities, similar crowd, similar rituals play out that they're a part of. But within Burning Man, what's an interesting story is the first data center company I ever worked for back in the mid-2000s, actually had Burning Man as a customer and a client inside the data center. And their cabinet actually lit on fire. I kid you not, when they went live for ticket sales, and I think it was 2006, 2007, their cabinet actually lit on fire. So Burning Man's cabinet actually lit on fire because of the power distribution unit they had that all their servers were plugged into, just overwhelmed, overheated, and lit on fire. And we had to put standards in place in the data center so that That couldn't happen, but I knew those people who were the founders and on the IT team. I was invited to many of those events. My wife told me repeatedly, if you go to any of these. Events, it's over. It's game over. This is going to be a very short marriage. I never actually attended, but I got invited to the who's who, the core tent for many years and just never ended up going. I want to throw a comparison out here to both of you. And tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree here. But would it be fair to say that Burning Man is basically, you know, the Bohemian Grove with the cremation of care, but for the tech people, for the tech bros that want to run our lives with all of this extremely invasive technology? I would say it's not just the tech bros. It's not just tech bros. They have everyone from every aspect of society and culture. And even the super wealthy people who are like, they don't want to be in the sand and they don't want to be in the mud. And Alex, you just witnessed it, so you can speak to this. They helicopter themselves in and they have helipads so that they. Don't have to experience... you know, the nastiness. It's almost like Woodstock, right, where they would hella in, they drop in, they do their thing, they, you know, have a good night. They even have tents that they get set up that are like multi-million dollar tents that are set up that are super posh just for them so that they can have the experience but not have to go through, you know, with the masses to get there. It's pretty fascinating what they've done and how they've done it. But, you know, key point being it's not just the tech folks. It's people from every walk of life and industry. Yeah, yeah, 100%. I want to quote Nicole Shanahan. For those who don't remember, she was the VP candidate for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. when he was running before he joined Team Trump. She's a Silicon Valley billionaire, big-time attorney. Those were the circles that she ran in. She went for almost a decade. She was actually right in the inner core of the power structure. Supposedly, everybody's equal, but some pigs are obviously more equal than other pigs. She was with what they call the first camp. This is where The CEO, Miriam Goodall, whatever her name is, the founder, Larry Harvey, this is where they all congregate. And that's where the celebrities go. That's where the CEOs of the big tech companies go. And after going there for almost 10 years, first of all, she concluded that it was demonic. And she posted that publicly. And I couldn't agree with her more. But she said this. Within the span of a single week, Burning Man concentrates a kind of nucleus of power, intellectual, financial, spiritual, that I have never witnessed assembled in one place before. And I think that's a really good way of summarizing it. You've got dozens of mayors now from the U.S. Conference of Mayors. The president of the U.S. Conference of Mayors went there. They passed a resolution praising Burning Man for the things that it can supposedly teach mayors about how they ought to be running their cities. You've got members of Congress from both political parties showing up there. Some of them speaking publicly about what a wonderful, glorious experience it is, about how we need to apply these principles to our government. You've got celebrities, superstars. Mark Zuckerberg rolled up a few years ago in his private helicopter. They actually say that their airport, they set up a makeshift airport. there, Black Rock City Airport, is the busiest airport in the United States for that week-long period, as all these bigwigs are coming in on their private jets and their private planes and their helicopters. So it is very similar, I think, to the Bohemian Grove in terms of the occult influence, in terms of the occult rituals. But one difference is that Bohemian Grove is supposed to be secret, right? Like Alex Jones wasn't supposed to get in there with a camera and record what they were doing. He wasn't supposed to put that on YouTube so everybody could see them burning an effigy of a child and chanting about forest spirits, setting them free. Whereas Burning Man is kind of a public-facing organization. Now, I will say that I studied this for years, very intensely for months before going there, and I didn't have a clue how bad it was. So clearly, they've done a good job of keeping the lid on some of what happens there. To give you one obvious example, we all know that they burned the man at the end of this thing. They set this effigy of a man on fire. He was like 110 feet tall, including the platform this year. But What happened afterward was shocking. You have tens of thousands of people running after the fire marshal gives the word. Tens of thousands of people run to this big pile of embers and burning fire, and they start dancing around it naked. They start ripping off their clothes, and they get the incense out, and some of them are bowing down, and some of them are doing like, you know, Cole Walker things. Some of them were actually getting into the flame. A couple years ago, some dude burned himself up in there. And then they start engaging in sexual depravity like you can't imagine. I'm literally talking about orgies. I won't get more graphic than that because some of this stuff is just shameful to even talk about. And there's kids there. There are kids watching. All of this. In fact, as we went around what they call the Black Rock City, there were naked kids running around. And so this is like a whole other level of It's like Bohemian Grove for the masses. And it reminded me a lot of what Alice Bailey talked about in Externalization of the Hierarchy. First, it's only the initiated elite who get to be in communion with these spiritual entities. We as Christians, we know that this is not ascended masters or aliens or whatever. It's just straight demonic. But Alice Bailey talked about as we get closer to the world system— They're going to externalize the hierarchy where all of humanity is going to be inducted into this. And I think Burning Man is like the tip of the spear, the cutting edge of this movement. These are the people who are at the forefront of this externalization of the hierarchy. And then they're going back to their cities, to their state legislatures, to the U.S. Congress. I mean, you had senior EU officials there. You had top leaders from the World Economic Forum. So they're taking— this madness that they've absorbed at Burning Man. And as Sean pointed out, there's little satellite Burning Man things all over the world. China, Israel, South Africa, Miami. And so this is spreading rapidly. You know, Bohemian Grove was just for the elites. Yes, the elites are involved here, but anybody... If you have $ 650 and willingness to endure crazy dust and crazy mud and seeing lots of naked people, anybody can go watch this for themselves. So this is the mass marketing of the occult that has been going on at places like Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones for so many generations. I think the point that you made earlier about how you interviewed 200 people asking them what it is and everyone had a different answer, that's the objective. They don't want you to really know what the purpose is. of this whole event is. They want to obfuscate it. Because as you start to dig in and you start to uncover and look at the ethos of the people who are throwing this thing, you start to realize that they are worshiping demons and that they're worshiping spirits and entities. And they may say that they're agnostic. They may say that, you know, it's not about that. It's just about collectivism. It's about how amazing it is that we can just throw up the city in a matter of days and then tear it. Down in a matter of days. But when you look at what actually happens there and you look at the ethos of the people that are throwing it and how they're participating and practicing, you realize that there's much, much more going on there. And I'll give a perfect example. I was at one of these events on the top of the Santa Cruz Mountain, actually at a friend of mine's house. He's a Christian Orthodox guy, and he just had a big rave on his property. And he invited one of the main DJs that is like very well known globally to come and DJ at his event. And Uh, he had them there and I was at the event and I was dancing and I looked up at the screen that cause they have a big screen on as the music's playing and like all kinds of crazy stuff is going on. And I'm like, wait a second. I'm literally watching. It went from like ballerinas, like men and women doing ballerina dances to literally a black mass ritual. And I was like, What is happening right now? Why is this playing right now? So I went straight to the DJ because it was a small intimate event. I said, what are you doing? Do you know what that is? And he goes, well, this is shared amongst all the other DJs globally, and we have this collective volume of people. of videos that we play and i'm like but you're literally showing a demonic black mass ritual right now on the screen and he's like it's not a big deal don't worry about it it's just it's just art and i was like no this is not art you're summoning you're summoning demons right now through playing this right now at my buddy's property so i had to grab my buddy tell him what was going on and he was like bro get this thing down get this off like this is not going to be okay on this property But that's the type of behavior and that's the types of things that routinely happen if you just open your eyes. If you're there and you're just like, I just want to have a good time, man. I just want to see some cool art and I just want to have fun. You can have that experience, but when you really dig under the underbelly of what's happening there, you start to uncover all the stuff that Alex is talking about. And you're putting a documentary out on this, right? We are, yeah. We're going to do at least two. The first one will be What is Burning Man, where we're just going to try to answer that question. Because like you said, I think the organizers try to make it deliberately confusing. There is no single answer there. But, you know, we're going to look at they have these new 10 principles, they call it, which I guess are supposed to be the replacement for the 10 commandments. And you kind of take biblical liberty and you flip it upside down. Right. You know, for us, liberty is being able to proclaim the gospel. It's being able to, like, homeschool our children. It's being able to defend our lives, our families with force if necessary, with a firearm if necessary. They claim they're all about freedom. But you don't have any of those freedoms, right? They literally kicked a Christian group out this year for preaching by their little pagan temple. Literally. They escorted them out. They said, you have three hours to break down your camp. Get out of here or you're all going to be arrested. So we'll be doing one on that, and then we've got another one on the Christians of Burning Man. There were at least four Christian camps, and all of them were there on some kind of mission, right? They weren't there to enjoy the festivities per se. They were there for ministry, for research, for evangelism. But, of course, the Christians being kicked out had an obvious chilling effect. And we observed some of that too. One of my friends was preaching there in a dust storm and talking about Christ and had a guy come up with a microphone and a big loudspeaker And start shouting about how Moloch needs more baby blood and we must kill more babies. And we don't know. Was the guy joking? Did he think this was funny? Or was he possessed? And you don't know. It could go either way. Either one would be a perfectly reasonable interpretation. So we're going to be trying to show a lot of this. Just like you said, Sean, there is so much open demonism. There was one guy there at a big event, one of the big camps there, who was summoning a spirit and allowing the audience to interact with this spiritual entity that he claimed to be summoning. The high priest of the Church of Psychedelics, the Church of Ambrosia, with 150,000 members, was there explaining to people how they can consume large doses of magic mushrooms and communicate with these spiritual entities. And so, you know, me being me, I didn't want to blow my cover. I was like, you know, those Christians, they say that, you know, you might be coming into contact or opening the door up to the demonic. How do you answer that? And he said, I was shocked at his answer. We've got it on tape. So I'm paraphrasing. But he says something along the lines of, well, you know, yeah, some of the entities that you're going to be encountering on these enormous doses of magic mushrooms or dimethyltryptamine are going to be malevolent. And, you know, they're trying to capture souls, he said, which I thought was really interesting. And he gave us one example of these malevolent spiritual entities, Jehovah, Yahweh, the God of the Bible, Adonai. And so that gives you a sense of what this is, right? It's an inversion of true religion, of biblical religion, and it is really overtly satanic. And for a long time, the people involved in this kind of stuff tried to hide. Now it's out there in the open. So we're really looking forward to putting out these documentaries. We're also going to be doing a special issue of the New American Magazine on this. I've got the cover story underway right now. And then we're going to be posting quite a bit at LibertySentinel.org and then at FreedomProjectMedia.com, FreedomProject.com, which helped make this trip possible. So we're going to be putting out different things through each of those. And I would encourage people to just Stay tuned because this says a lot about what the evildoers are up to. It says a lot about what the technology companies are up to. And I want to quote the Secretary General of the United Nations, Antonio Guterres. He's a socialist, self-proclaimed socialist. He was a member of the Socialist Party. But I'm quoting him for a reason. He said very recently that what's happening now, what humanity is watching, is he called it the biggest transfer of power in the history of mankind. And that transfer of power, he said, is from governments to big technology companies. And as much as I don't like to agree with a socialist head of a terrible organization like the United Nations, he's correct. You have now these big technology companies integrated with government to the point where their algorithms are making decisions about who to kill. Their algorithms are making decisions about how to enforce regulations, about what regulations to draft. You've got the prime minister of major European countries saying he's using chat GPT to come up with ideas on what he should say and the policies. So we need to understand... the significance of what's happening here. And of course, Caleb, you do a really good job of this on your program. We need to not lose sight of who's ultimately in charge, right? Our God is sovereign. He's not scared about any of this. He's not nervous about any of this. But the Apostle Paul says very clearly that we are not ignorant of Satan's devices. And so I think we need to make sure that we are not deceived, that we don't fall for this stuff, and that we take prudent measures to protect ourselves and our family from the demonic influence that really now is becoming so open and so manifest. As you gentlemen were talking, I was reminded of the passage of having nothing to do with the fruits of darkness. And certainly that's the case for Burning Man. And I would encourage perhaps those Christian groups, even if they're very well-meaning, you're definitely opening yourself up to some very demonic things. I personally probably wouldn't go there for ministry specifically, you know, for what you're doing, you know, journalism, I understand that 100%, but man, that's a dark place. You did bring up a really interesting point though, on the tech oligarchy is really what's being created here. And it kind of transfers the conversation that we were just having from Burning Man to to overall what they're doing throughout the world. And you're right. I have reported on this. I know you have, and I know Sean has talked about this numerous times, but the governments are disappearing. And it is becoming these tech oligarchs who, if you really think about it, ladies and gentlemen, your phone, your laptop, the flock cameras that everybody's upset about, the data centers that are being built, All of this is literally a prison system that we're just accepting. We applaud because we can watch stupid cat videos on them. It's absolutely fascinating to me how many people are up in arms about flock cameras while they carry their Google or Apple device in their pocket all day every day that is literally worse than the flock camera. It's tracking and recording more information, more data, taking more pictures of you everywhere you are throughout the day. And even more so, it's how willing... people are to just hand this information over to these companies. And it used to be like four years ago that, you know, when I started the business and I would go to events, even like conservative constitutional events or prepper events and whatnot, I would be talking to people about the fact that your phones are spying devices, that they're tracking. Devices, listening. And people would say, are you sure? I don't really know that that's really happening. And then I would simply ask him, like, well, haven't you seen it happen that you were talking about something and you started to see ads for those things that you were talking about? Like, don't you think that's odd? How do you think that's happening? And people are like, yeah, that's interesting. Hmm, I don't. Know if I really care about that. Like, so what? Like, I got nothing to hide. So why is it a big deal? Now people are definitely aware it's happening. I just find it interesting, like, how someone's going to spend so much energy and get so much a passion about fighting the flock cameras or fighting the data centers in their community when they have literally a data center and a flock camera in their pocket. Like we want to boycott the data centers and boycott flock, but we don't want to boycott Google and Apple and Microsoft who. Are literally doing worse things all day, every day. So I think to some degree, like maybe it's a purposeful distraction, like trying to guide people towards an enemy so that you're not actually fighting the real enemy. I, I just, It's baffling to me why it's happening the way it's happening. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, Sean. And I actually said the same thing. I was on an AI panel. at a recent symposium put on by the Florida Citizens Alliance, and somebody in the audience asked about flock cameras. I'm like, aren't you so concerned about flock cameras? Yeah, I'm concerned about flock cameras. But every one of you in this audience is carrying a personal surveillance device that is going to give them way more information than a license plate reader as you drive past. So you ought to be more concerned about that. It's so important for people to understand that the— Data that they're harvesting from us is not just for the advertisements. It's not just so they can market cat food to you. They're using this to control us, to surveil us, and ultimately to manipulate us. And Google is maybe the premier example of this, right? And I want to come back to Burning Man for a minute. Google has been a part of Burning Man from its inception, right from Google's inception. When it was stood up with help from DARPA, with help from the guys at In-Q-Tel, they have been a critical part of the Burning Man culture from the time this company was raised up. Both of the founders... Sergey and Larry Page are regular Burners. There are pictures of them all over Burning Man. In fact, it is well-known and well-documented. Eric Schmidt himself, former CEO, the executive chairman of Alphabet, the parent company, also on YouTube, publicly said that he got his job because he went to Burning Man. That's what differentiated his resume from the resumes of the other people who were applying. In fact, the very first Google Doodle, the first— you guys know the Google Doodle where they draw the little thing like for Martin Luther King Day or whatever— The very first one in 1998 was Burning Man so that everybody would know, hey, the leadership of Google is out at Burning Man. And so, folks, the people who are stealing all your data. The people who are surveilling you everywhere you go with your portable surveillance device masquerading as a phone are the same people that are doing all this weird stuff out in the desert with their weird rituals, with their weird orgies, with blasphemous stuff like you can't even begin to imagine. I'll give you another example of how blasphemous this was. We were looking through the where, what, when book, whatever, they give you the thing with some of the big things that are happening, and we found out that there was a camp that was doing... striptease to worship music and children's songs. And so we had to go see this. We got on our bikes. We went to go see, and they were, like, hypersensitive about cameras. So all the footage we got is, shall we say, undercover. But they were literally blasting... Christian music that you would hear in any evangelical church on a Sunday morning and getting naked. And the people in the audience are shouting, yeah, praise Jesus. You know, the total mockery. No mockery of Allah, no mockery of Islam, the Hindu stuff all over the place, the Tibetan Buddhist stuff all over the place. Only Christianity is mocked like this. So when you think of the company's that you know are building this technocratic, totalitarian, digital panopticon, gulag, whatever you want to call it, and then you realize that they're into this unbelievable hatred of Christianity and Christians, even if you weren't concerned about all the surveillance before, that alone should make you say, hmm, maybe I don't want those people having access to the most intimate conversations that I'm having with my wife and my children. It's frankly crazy, folks, and we need to start taking this seriously. Yeah, I definitely would agree with you both. We've got a hard break coming up here. We've got about a minute 30 here. What I want to do is I want to showcase both of your websites because I want my audience to go to both. First off, let's go to LibertySentinel.org. Chris, if you can bring that up. As I said, Alex is a prolific writer. He's one of the greatest journalists I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, not only writing for the Liberty Sentinel, but also the New American Magazine. If you have questions about where I'm getting my reports, what I'm reading so that I can bring content to you, ladies and gentlemen. It's the new American. It's the Liberty Sentinel. So please go check out that website, libertysentinel.org. We also have mark37. com. Great website for you. When we come back, I'm going to ask Alex about his own personal journey into a ghost phone. That's going to be a lot of fun. You're going to want to stay tuned for that. But if you are tired of your devices spying on you, you can do something about that. You can get a Graphene OS cell phone. You can get a Linux laptop and actually take back your privacy. You should be the person that's responsible for that. Once again, we don't look to government to fix things. We fix it ourselves. And there are great companies out there like mark37. com that you can actually be in charge of this. All right. Like I said, when we come back from the break, We're going to continue this conversation. I want to ask both my guests about a theory that I talked about on a previous episode with all of this control, with all this AI data centers and whatnot. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with Church and State. I'm here to tell you about Hunter's Blend Coffee. I got to tell you, I absolutely love this stuff. I'm all about the dark roast. Hunter's Blend Coffee, black powder. Doesn't that just sound like deliciousness and rebellion? I got to tell you, in America... We don't drink tea. No, we drink coffee. It's the food of the gods, and I endorse and support Hunter's Blend Coffee. I've got to tell you, it tastes like freedom. So I need you to go over to churchandstate.media, scroll to Hunter's Blend Coffee, and use the promo code CHURCHANDSTATE to help support us. 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In fact, there was that gentleman, and the name escapes me right now, but he worked for one of the AI companies. And all of a sudden he comes out and he says, you know, I'm quit. I'm out of this because AI is going to kill us. And there seems to be this agenda from some of these top people that are working in here that are saying, like Elon Musk is saying, AI could kill us. My theory on this, and I want you guys to weigh in on this, is the reason why they're allowing conversations like this to happen is because they want to kill off the free market. They want to kill off the little guy. They want to regulate the system so that if you're going to AI, if you're going really anywhere for tech, it's got to be from one of the big three or however many they allow to actually operate. Yeah, we're seeing that right now because we're trying to build an LLM that we can deploy on phones and laptops that's simple and easy for people to use so you don't have to become an expert on learning language models and how to set it all up and how to get it all functional for you to use on a day-to-day basis. It's not easy. It's, in fact, very difficult to do that. And it's very expensive because of all of the RAM and GPU and all the tech things that you need to build these has become so astronomically expensive because it's apparently going into these big cloud data centers and AI data centers, which as someone who's in the industry, I literally wrote the book that's called the Data Center Collocation Industry Playbook. It's data centers for dummies. I track this industry intimately. I can tell you there's some weird stuff going on. There's a lot of shell games being played and hand wavy money pyramid. Schemes going on right now. And I want to say, like, where are the hundreds of millions of square footage of data center space that's actually coming online here? I just don't see it happening. Apart from all of the picketing and the boycotts that are going on, I know for a fact that people are just not deploying. They're not signing the contracts. It's not going in. So I see some weird stuff is going on that's preventing individuals who want to actually have control of their data and have a tool like a learning language model or an AI tool. Because for me, I'm not anti-tech. I'm anti-tech controlled and operated and run by Luciferian psychopaths. That's what I'm against. I think we should put tech in the hands of sovereign people who love Jesus. Let's have us have control of that technology and share and use that technology. But because we don't have access to infinite amounts of money, we can't go into the marketplace and buy billions of dollars worth of hardware or even thousands of dollars worth of hardware that used to cost maybe a couple hundred bucks all of two years ago to be able to set these things up. So something weird is going on. I'm sure, Alex, you probably see and have heard the same thing. Yeah, 100%. And I want to start off by saying I actually love my Mark 37 ghost phone. It's fantastic. I've been using it for months now and wouldn't trade it for anything. I've never had like a regular old smartphone. I've never wanted one. But when I found out that I could have a lot of the benefits of smartphone technology without the surveillance haunting me and looking over my shoulder all the time, I thought I'll try that. And it's been phenomenal. Folks, these creeps feed on your data. So the less data you can give them, the better off you will be. But on this thing of AI, You know, I've said from the beginning, AI is a technology and technology itself is neutral. Technology can be used for good or for evil. And this is very obvious when you apply it to anything else. Like a gun can be used to defend the lives of innocent women and children, or it can be used to slaughter innocent women and children. It depends on whose hands it's in. Is it in the hands of a psychopath, a Luciferian, a totalitarian, or is it in the hands of a good person? And I have believed from the beginning that AI is a technology that can and I believe will be used for the glory of God. It's already helping do incredible things. I mean, translate the Bible into languages that we don't have much understanding of. This is going to be such a powerful tool for good if we can keep it free. And so I've noticed the fear-mongering surrounding AI. And I am concerned about some of the things that we're seeing in AI because it's being used by, as Sean put it, Luciferian psychopaths. to manipulate, control, and surveil us in everything that we do. And I think they're getting us ready for some sort of major event. Even in the run-up to COVID, they were talking about cyber polygon. Imagine an attack on our cyber infrastructure that would make COVID look like a small disturbance, as Klaus Schwab put it, where we wouldn't have power, we wouldn't have telecommunications. And that would be absolutely catastrophic, right? Everything today runs on electricity and the internet. If you shut those down, even for a week, it would be such chaos. It would be such pandemonium that people would be willing to do almost anything, give up almost any freedom to have normalcy return. So now with all this hysteria about AI is hacking things, AI is getting out of its box and doing this, that, and the other, I think they're getting ready for some sort of big setup. And I don't know what exactly it'll be, a takedown of the financial system, a takedown of the electric grid. Probably not forever. I mean, it probably won't last forever because without all these technologies, they'll have trouble enslaving us. But you could really, I mean, look what they did with COVID. Imagine what they could do with something that was orders of magnitude more serious. than COVID, and you get a sense of what's going on. And there is a, and there has been, and I've been covering this for years, a desire to control these technologies, not just by governments, but by international organizations. I mentioned Antonio Guterres yesterday talking about the, recently talking about the transfer of power from governments to technology companies, and that's happening. And I think that's happening deliberately and strategically. And the plan eventually is to regain this control and centralize it at the international level. If you go back to the pact for the future, I was at the summit of the future at UN headquarters in 2024, where every government in the world agreed to adopt this. A big part of it was about how all the governments of the world working through the UN need to cooperate on regulating and controlling AI. One of the problems they offer in this ridiculous international deal is is what they call misinformation, disinformation, and hate speech, which if you're a Christian, you know what that means, right? Oh, you don't like the LGBT agenda being shoved down the throat of your children? You must be some kind of hater. Oh, you don't agree with Islam and Sharia law? Well, you must be a hate group. All of these factual, truthful things are being targeted by these people. And so they've been talking about centralizing control of AI for a long time. Back in 2019, UNESCO had the AI and Education Agreement, where they talked about using AI to change the attitudes and values and behaviors of your children. Just this summer, the regimes ruling communist China and Russia and a whole bunch of other countries came together, and they created what they're calling the World Artificial Intelligence Cooperation Organization, the WACO. And eventually... They want to bring everybody under this system so that the benefits of this technology cannot be used by regular people, certainly not by Christians, but can only be used by the evildoers who hope to enslave us, kill us, manipulate us, and ultimately build a totalitarian global system. You know, you both are painting a rather terrifying dystopian picture here. But I can honestly, I see it. And I've definitely talked about this. But all it takes is one day, the power goes off. There's been a cyber attack. They can blame anyone they want. It could be Iran. It could be Russia. Who knows? They could invent an alien enemy. But your bank account is gone now. The record of how much money you even had into that account is gone now. Your Bitcoins are gone. They're nothing. They're garbage at this point. Turn the power back on a week later, and suddenly, as you talked about, Alex, on that, the Cloward and Piven strategy, crisis solution, now all of a sudden it's like, hey, we need the stable coins that are regulated by the government. Digital ID. We need all AI to be regulated by the government. I honestly don't claim to be a prophet. I don't think they exist, actually. Or at least the modern ones, I should say. But that could be the future. I think that is exactly what is going on. I've been talking about this for years, digital COVID. They're going to create this digital COVID event. And in order for you to get back online, to be able to access anything online, to be able to get into your, your new car that's controlled by the system, you have to comply. You have to participate in this new digital ID system. And I think Catherine Austin Fitz actually speaks very accurately and intelligently. If you don't know who she is, look her up. Catherine Austin Fitz is, about how they're going to roll this out, why they're going to roll this out, what the backing is and the infrastructure behind it is. And for those who are still walking around thinking somehow that Trump is like going to help make, you know, save everybody and the white hats are going to come save us in the middle. He's he's allowed for all this infrastructure for digital ID, for all of this to be created over the last couple of years, which Biden also accelerated. And it's it's all sitting there literally just waiting for this event to happen. So. To your point, is it frightening? Is it terrifying? It can be. It can definitely be. But I think it just should encourage us. to really get to know your neighbors, like get back to the basics of our humanity of making sure that you're right with your creator. So is your spouse and your family. get that in order, get your house in order, and then get to know who your neighbors are. Because if things do get crazy, you're going to definitely want to know who your neighbors are and how you're going to actually operate in the new brave, brave new world that they're rolling out here. 100 percent. Yeah. And imagine that power comes back on and, oh, guys, sorry about that. But don't worry. Just download this handy little app from your government and we'll put some CBDC tokens into your digital wallet. And as long as you have your digital ID and you sign a digital contract, you can get right back to your schedule, your regularly scheduled shopping. And, you know, I mean, during COVID, we really did learn how critical it is. to get off the online world and go touch some grass and get to know your neighbors. Where we live, we were super blessed. Our local, our county, and our state government all said, we're not participating in that. We're opting out of the tyranny. And that was great. We started with house church and we got together with our neighbors and we had barbecues and we didn't pay attention to the foolishness. And that was one of the things that kept us grounded. Everybody else is running around with their hair on fire, but just talk to regular people around you and you realize, hey, it's not so bad. We can get through this. So, yeah, I just echo that 100 percent. And now would be a better time to do it than when everything is in chaos. Amen to that. All right. Sean kind of stole the thunder. But I did have one last question as we're kind of well, we're approaching the end of the program. But I wanted to ask you about Trump. I wanted to ask you both about Trump. Sean's kind of already given his answer. But there are some spectrums on this. There are those that think he is the savior. He's the general. He's got the plan, the white hats, the things that Sean was discussing. On the other hand, we have got the people that are like, this guy is a false Christ. This guy is part of the agenda. He was always part of the agenda. You know, he was on the Epstein list. This guy is taking us down a dark path. And then there's people that are like, no, he's just a useful idiot. Where do you guys think Donald Trump is throughout everything that we've been talking about today? Do you want to take that first? Sure, I can jump in. I take something of a nuanced view on this, and I think It's important for people to take off the TDS, you know, the Trump derangement syndrome or the Trump deification syndrome and recognize that there's a ditch on both sides. You know, we can't say that every single thing Donald Trump has ever done or said is evil just because he's orange man, cheeto man bad. And we certainly can't say that every single thing that Trump has ever done is like 17D chess and he's, you know, working to save the world. I think both of those extremes at this point are patently ridiculous. He's done some very good things in terms of giving the globalists a black eye here and there. I mean, he got us out of UNESCO, the UN Education Agency. He has utterly gutted the UN's climate machine, which really is one of the main tools they've been using to impose this totalitarian, new political, economic, and religious system on humanity. So he's given them some big black eyes. But at the same time, we would be very foolish, very naive to overlook the how much progress the evildoers have made on some of the other fronts. Like, yeah, he banned CBDC, and so now they're just going to do, like, it's the private sector version of the CBDC through the Clarity Act and the Genius Act. So a lot of these agendas that the globalists have been pursuing are advancing, and we need to be honest about that. Like the regionalization, which they've always said will precede the globalization. And so I like to call him as I see him. You know, when he signed the USMCA, I was the first one to say that was a terrible idea. You're undermining our sovereignty. You're breaking all your campaign promises. When he invaded Iran, same thing. You know, this goes against everything you said. But at the same time, I'm grateful that he has put, at least on pause, some of the worst excesses of the radical left, the transing of children and all these kinds of things. So I know some of the people who are close to him. I know some of the people in his administration. Some of them are good, decent, God-fearing, honest Americans. And then I'm very skeptical of some of the people around him. Scott Besant, Howard Lutnick, Treasury Secretary, Commerce Secretary, these are people— that under any normal circumstances, patriots and Christians would say, wait a minute, you're a Soros money man, you're a homosexual, adopted a child, and you're a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and you're going to make America great? Give me a break. So in my view, we should take a nuanced perspective on this, recognize that he ought to be obeying the Constitution, he ought to take his oath seriously, and he hasn't done that on all fronts, and so he deserves to be criticized for that. But he's also not Satan incarnate. Praise the Lord for that. I would say that. So I think Alex said what I would say far more articulately than me. And realize, like, he's a human being. Like, the dude is a human being, and he makes mistakes and has made a lot of mistakes. He's done a lot of good things, but he's made a lot of mistakes. And I think he's surrounded himself by a lot of people who are yes-men, who are just trying to appease him. But I also think that he has compromised in so many ways and gone back on his word so many times that the man— That so many people— I mean, I voted for him twice. And the man that I voted for, for what I thought he was going to be able to accomplish in his second term, like the exact opposite of what I thought he was going to accomplish in his second term, has happened in his second term. And so I think something's happened. I think he's compromised in some way, shape, or form. You know, he probably is compromised. Like the intelligence agencies— have compromised him. Even someone, you know, our FBI director, uh, Cash Patel, like. He's been one of the biggest disappointments I think ever. Like, how do you go from, I'm going to burn the FBI ground to the ground to like being one of the biggest advocates for the FBI and trying to justify all the crap and garbage that they've done. And yet we've seen no, like, I'm still waiting for the arrests. Like, When is anyone going to be held accountable for any of the absolute tyranny, like no question tyranny that has gone on? And this is where I go back to believing like criminals are not going to indict criminals. Psychopaths are not going to indict other psychopaths. And we have to realize that we have a captured government. We have a captured state. I live in South Carolina and Trump was endorsing Lindsey Graham. first Senator again, which is like mind-blowingly insane to me. So I just don't understand. It's a clown world. It's a clown system. I want to take care of the stuff that I know is in my control. And then I can start building out from there. Thankfully, we have some great people here in the upstate of South Carolina. We've made a lot of good change happen over the last couple of years, but you need to get to know your neighbors, folks. And you need to diversify, you know, how you need to start practicing bartering, like just As some homework for your listeners right now, Caleb, y'all need to go out this week and just ask one person, hey, can we maybe barter for a coffee or for some work that you need done on your house? Anything. Just learn how to barter. Learn how to ask and realize what money is and what currency actually is. Because if they say, This is the new currency. You have to use this and only yes and only this. And you just say, OK, you're going to be in big trouble. You have to learn how to say, well, what else can I use? What are the other conversations I can have to get goods and services without having to participate in the beast system? All right. Well, gentlemen, I sincerely thank both of you for rubbing it in my nose that you both live in the southeast and I do not. I did notice that. You're not far from Idaho. It could be worse. Idaho is nice. Actually, Sean was just in Idaho and fell in love with it. He understands why they call it God's country now. Yeah, he's ready to move, I think. But gentlemen, we actually office going for us in Coeur d'Alene. Let's do it. I'm down for that for sure. It has been an absolute pleasure to have both of you on. We actually went a little bit long. I apologize for for holding you guys once again. And I'm going to do this a little bit differently. We're going to bring up Liberty Sentinel dot org. Alex, why should people go to your website? Well, we're trying to put out the information that people need to stay free, to protect their families, their health, their finances, and most importantly, to glorify and honor our Lord, our creator, our king. So that's what we try to do all day. You mentioned Ephesians 5, 11, and that's what we do. We expose the evildoers, the unfruitful works of darkness with the goal of pointing people back to Jesus Christ. And so we've got a free newsletter. People can get it absolutely free. We've got about 84,000 subscribers now taking advantage of that. And lots of resources there. Our show, The Sentinel Report, that you both have been kind enough to join us on is available there and much, much more. Excellent. All right. And that is LibertySentinel.org, ladies and gentlemen. Alex, what's your promo code for Mark37? If you go to mark37. com forward slash liberty, that's our promo code there. And I'll tell you what, I have learned so much from those guys. I mean, I knew it was bad, but I didn't know how bad it was until I went through the webinar and started doing some of the research that they recommend. And so I'm just I'm really grateful for all that they do. Excellent. All right. And Sean, mark37. com. I mean, the audience knows I work for you guys as well. I promote these guys all the time. But why should people go to mark37. Com? Yeah, I'll say keep it very short and sweet. Sign up for a free digital privacy consultation. Go to the resources section. Watch the video that Alex was just talking about. It's 90 minutes of us teaching you exactly all the different ways that we're getting screwed by these psychopaths and really what we can do about it, which is the most important thing. But I can tell you on my end, like I've been in seeking truth for 40 some odd years of my life at this point. Actually, not that long, about 30 years of my life and Liberty Sentinel. Epoch Times and The New American are really the three publications that I actually read, covered cover every time new news comes out on them. And those are really, if you really want. Truth, and obviously watching Church and State, obviously watching Church and State. But really, those are money publications. And that really helps frame the worldview that we operate from as a business. But we have lots of great resources to help people Just understand the tech, because if we're going to carry these things in our pockets all day, every day, we have to understand how they work and realize that these are weapons. They've been weaponized against us, and we wouldn't carry around a firearm in our pocket without getting trained on how to use the firearm and when to use it appropriately. So why the heck are we using these tools owned and controlled by psychopaths without doing the same? Amen. All right. Well, Alex, Sean, once again, thank you so much for joining us on Church and State. Been a real pleasure. I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for your time. Thank you so much. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. Two men that have dedicated their entire lives, really, ever since I've known them, to liberty, to preaching the gospel. 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