Church & State - A World Without Cancer w. Rick Hill/Dr Francisco Contreras THE OASIS OF HOPE

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That is just a diagnosis that terrifies anyone hearing that news. And you really have three options with those. You can either cut it out or you can go through chemo and radiation. But there are alternatives, and I like to devote a significant amount of time on this show to discussing those. So I'm bringing on doctor Francisco Contreres, Director, President and chairman of Oasis of Hope Hospital. He's a distinguished oncologist insurgeon with over forty years of experience. Also and bringing on Rick Hill. He's an author, speaker and fifty year cancer survivor. He was diagnosed with stage three carcinoma at the Mayo Clinic in nineteen seventy four and was given well, pretty much a death sentence, and he decided to go through Oasis of Hope and here he is today telling his story. So, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on church and state. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure and an. Honor, absolutely all right, So let's start with the good doctor here Oasis of Hope. This is an incredible facility in Mexico, and you're going through some treatments that some people would call fringe, but your record of how many people you've helped speaks quite the opposite, Is that correct sir? Yes, we've been helping cancer patients for the last sixty three years and we have been very successful because we integrate all the therapies available from the conventional and from the alternative. Anything that has sufficient scientific support we will try with our patients. And we've developed over the years a number of therapies that have been very, very helpful for cancer patients, one of them being B seventeen that we've been using since the beginning of Oasis of Hope in nineteen sixty three, and it's a natural anti tumor agent diet. Actual agents that fight cancer and tremendous emotional and spiritual spiritual support are the basis of our therapies and I feel that that's the reason for for our success. Absolutely. Now, typically what you're hearing, I'm gonna bring Rick Hill into this conversation because this is somebody who was diagnosed with cancer, given a death sentence, and here he is alive and well a number of years later. But you're you're told, you know, you have all these options basically three and in your case, you were told there's really nothing we can do. And you had a Baptist preacher tell you go to Tijuana and you were like, oh, great, this quack. But here you are, You're alive and thriving after a death sentence from the Male clinic. Yeah, it was. It was really interesting because it was actually the chemotherapist that was the coup de grap about my time at the Mayo Clinic. After this Baptist pastor told me that I should go to Oasis of Hope. I was skeptical. I was, I mean, especially when he told me that derivatives from the apricot fruit were going to be injected to me. I just thought, oh, I can't go to my family with that story. But I went to the chemotherapist at the Mayo Clinic that day and I said, hey, this Baptist pastor guy called me up and told me about this thing in Tijuana. And what do you think of that? I mean, you know my case better than anyone. What would you do if you were me? And he leaned back in his chair. I thought he was going to teach me new swear words right there. Instead, he leaned back in his chair and he looked at me and he said, well, you know, Rick, it is warm this time a year in Tijuana. There you go. I said, okay, message delivered, Thank you very much, and I stood up and walked to the door. I turned around and said, I don't think I'll ever see you again. And I walked out. And two days later I met doctor Contreras's father, who was at that time the head doctor and director at oas the Vote and I think you, doc, were just finishing up your degree about that time. This was nineteen seventy four. I was down to one hundred and twenty pounds and on morphine and they said to me, like the chemo therapist first said, well, we're going to give you a chemos starting Monday. But the way he. Said that, I thought, why bother? You know, I mean, I can't get any skinnier. My wrist and my bicep were the same circumference at that time. I looked like a skeleton. And you know, so thank god that there was a Baptist pastor who stuck a bircher, who stuck his nose in my business. And thank god there was an honest chemotherapist who didn't gamble this three hundred thousand dollars a year gig. But he did let me know circuitously that I should maybe take a look at this Tijuana connection. Sure, and I did, and I want I'm going to go back to the good doctor here in a minute. But if memory serves me correctly, because I've interviewed you before, Rick the Mayo Clinic. They were so upset by the fact that you were actually cured from B seventeen that they tried to claim that you never even had cancer in the first place. And Mao Clinic had to come out and say, no, he actually did. Because they were worried about getting sued for treating you for something that you didn't have. Yeah. I wrote a book called Too Young to Die, And so I was on the speakers circuit with national speakers, and I would go into the little towns and I'd speak at churches or libraries or whatever. And the American Cancer Society was sicked on me. And every town I went to that they could find out I was going to be there, they published in the newspaper that as for the testimony offered, it could be that he never had cancer in the first place. That's American Cancer Society saying that. So after the third time I read that in the newspaper, I clipped the articles, sent them to the Mayo Clinic, and I said, you will be hearing from my attorney because the American Cancer Society says you this diagnosed me. I'm going to own the third floor of that hospital. Huh. And they wrote this letter back overnight. Let's see if I can get it in your camera. Yeah, that's the letter right there. And that letter says, I'm not going. To read the whole letter. It says, as questioning whether or not you actually did have cancer in the first place, you are entirely right that you had high grade DOT can tell you what that is, Stage three embryono cell carsonoma, and chemo was mandatory when you left us. In other words, they didn't cure me, and then I cut out and wanted to be famous for a little while. No, I was nearly dead when I got to that clinic in Tijuana, I really was. I mean, my father in law, thank god, came with me and that photo behind me on the wall that was hanging at Oasis of Hope. When I got there, I couldn't sit in a chair. So he went outside the door, got the floor mat that everyone brushed their feet on, shook it real hard, brought it in, laid it under that much larger version of that, and he said, son, lay here, and when your turn comes up, I'll come get you. Wow. And I did that for twenty one days, So you can imagine my surprise when the then president of the hospital presented me with a small version of that. But I got tears in my eyes when I saw that. Sure so good place to go. And by the way, I walked out twenty one days late. Twenty one days later, from being dragged from being dragged in on a floor mat to walking out in twenty one days. That's not a bad title for the next podcast. There you go. Well maybe we'll call that. So returning back to doctor Contrere's you know number one, I want to ask score when Rick talks about high grade, what exactly does that mean? High grade means that it's a very fast growing tumor, a very aggressive tumor. And then Bruno carcinoma's, even low grade are very aggressive, so it's probably one of the most aggressive cancers when it's high grade. Okay, all right now, B seventeen. I can't think of another fruit like the apricot that has been so demonized by Western medicine as the apricot. Why why are they Why is there so much vitriol throwing at this tiny seed that can literally cure cancer. Well, I think it's because because it is so effective and so enochious to the body. In comparison to chemotherapy. So this is a natural chemotherapeutic agent that it's found in many seeds, not in the aprico seed. And what is very scary is the moti of action. It kills malignant cells by cyanide intoxication. And of course you hear cyanide and you say, oh my god, what am I taking? But the truth is that cyanide is the raw material for sianicobalamin cyanical baalamin is B twelve and we need to consume cyanide in order to survive. So God put a cyanide in about twelve hundred foods that we have to consume. Berries, for instance, strawberries have cyanide, and so what happens is that normal cells have the capacity to convert the cyanide into cyanical balamin. Malignant cells do not have that capability, and so the cyanide specifically kills malignant cells. It cannot harm a benigne. Cell because a benine cell is going to metabolize that into siamical battlement, and that is a motive action. And doctor segur At the slow Kenrying in the late fifties early sixties published about six different reports on amigalant given to animals with excellent results. It just never got to clinical trials. Okay, so the cyanide, which obviously is a terrifying word for everybody, like we don't want to take scientide, but they bypassed the fact that chemotherapy is is literally poison. And you don't know me this about me, doctor, But I was an EMT for a number of years, and I would watch we do transports. You know, obviously people are calling nine one one a one, But I met people that were dealing with cancer and as it progressed, and as they were on the chemo and radiation and they've done a biops see on the tumor and spread the cancer throughout the entire body. I could literally watch as these people that I would been having conversations with as I transported them to the hospital and they were with it. Their mind was still sharp, but as they progressed on the chemotherapy and radiation, they got to be where they were forgetting things they didn't know where they were. And it was so tragic for me to see somebody who had been very much alive becoming a shell of who they used to be. Yes, And it's it's you know, it's it's uh ironic. The first chemotherapy is derived from the gas used to gas the juice in the concentration camps, and they're afraid of a minute amount of cyanide. It's it's amazing. And the whole thing is is there's no there's no money to be made on natural products. It is. It is so unfortunate. And and then you know, everybody feels that there's a conspiracy on the FDA against natural things that but that's not true. What happens is that in order for you to get something. Registered by the FDA, you have to prove that it's safe and effective. And the cost today to do that is about a billion dollars. So companies have to spend all of. This money, and so the way the government compensates is by giving them a patent and then you have a monopoly of your invention for about twenty years, and that's the way to make your money back. When you come to the FDA with a natural product, you still have to spend a billion dollars, but they can't give you a patent because it's natural and nobody's going to spend a billion dollars on something where they're not going to make the money back. So you know, it's not reed, it's just that's the way the system is. And I've been praying that Bobby Kennedy comes up with an idea on how to incentivate people to promote natural product that are extremely effective, non toxic, and how people that developed this would would have an incentive and incentive to do it and where they could get their money back from all of the research that they have to do. I think that will be fair. Uh, but up today, nobody has come up with with how because you can't patent a natural product. Sure, now, Rick, I'm going to bring you back into this conversation. The doctor canceros brings up money and for a lot of people, they look at the traditional, you know, established medicine, the treatments for cancers, and they say, my insurance is going to take care of most of this, and if I try to go the natural route, it could potentially bankrupt me. Rick did going to Tijuana and going through a more natural process. Did this bankrupt you? It didn't, because the Lord took care of me. I went to my church and said, if you really want me in the pew, you're gonna have to cough up some money here because I'm not going to be here in a few weeks if you don't. And then my father in law, who was a very successful construction worker I say worker. He had his own company that build roads, big caterpillar tractors and the whole thing. And he agreed at my family meeting when I told everyone about the potential of always of hope. My family's the one that taught me the new swear words. They were very upset with me, almost ridiculously so, and wouldn't talk to me, etc. But my father in law stood up at dinner and said, I like it. I'll take him and I'll help pay for it. Well, my family looked at their shoes. They didn't like that program, especially the part about money. So I had a lot of support. That deacons annoyed me with oil uh you know, I mean, I couldn't have asked for a more cooperative group. And people say, well, if the deacons did that, maybe God just healed you, and this whole laya trill thing is just an add on story. Well, I say God healed me, but not supernaturally without the aid of this process, because it was gradual when I was at the Mayo Clinic for over a month, I gradually got worse and worse and worse and worse, until I knew that I was dying. I would be dead soon. When I got to a waste of hope, I didn't feel any better. But over that three week period, I felt better and better and better and better. So it was a process, and the hand of God, I think was involved in the way that I found out about this. You got to admit pretty crazy, huh. The Baptist pastor, the chemo therapist that goes, hey, buddy, tell you what you got to do. So that's the hand of God, I think. And then because my church had paid for it and my father in law, I did what doctor Contreras told me to do for a long long time. And I didn't cheat because he came to me his father, This doctor Contreras's father came to me and said, we practice here participatory medicine. Rick, You're pretty sick and if you don't help us, we will not succeed. So I need your help to make this work. Are you willing to do what we ask? And before God and everyone, I said I'll do that. I don't understand it. I don't know how much faith I have in this, to be honest with you, but I'll do what you guys asked me to do, and I did. And if we can get patients to do that, to actually follow the rules, that's the other part of it. The other thing was I took this laya trill. This is a three grad vial, and I took those, a couple of them, usually every day for twenty one days. But more than that, I changed the way I lived. I didn't drink beer anymore. I didn't eat chocolatey claires and toxic beats, and I gave it all up. And when people would hassle me and say, okay, okay, okay, you already went down the rabbit hole. Now we're going for pizza and beer tonight. You need to come with us or pals. No, my doctor took me off that I cannot do that anymore. And a few friends don't me. But they weren't really friends, you know, just. Yeah, they ran it for the good times. Yeah, it didn't matter if you were there or not. Let's go back to the doctor, and doctor canturist, I have a two part question for you, and the first part is you are obviously in there for the betterment of people. You want to serve humanity, and I can see that about you, and I can see that through looking through your website. But what would a kind of a standard twenty one day you know, healing journey, how much would that typically cost the average person? Let me just say that you are correct that it's economically burden some burden some to patients because alternative therapies are not aid by insurance companies and everything that they have to pay us out of pocket, and so many many patients that you know, I've been paying this insurance for many many years, I have to take advantage of it, and then they go and get killed by chemotherapy, radiation therapy. And so the average cost of our patients, depending on the stage, depending on how complicated, would be between thirty and forty thousand dollars the initial therapy. And it sounds like a lot of money, but it isn't. An initial chemotherapeutical program is about two hundred thousand it. You know, the patient doesn't feel it because the insurance pays it. But it's what we do is not expensive in comparison to conventional therapy. What makes it a burden sum is that the patients have to pay it out of pocket. For many years, about twenty years ago, insurance companies were actually paying because they were saving tremendous amount of money on the patients that would come to us. But then the ama of all people sue them, and now the insurance companies don't pay. So, yes, it is out of pocket, it's it's it's it's a significant amount of money, but it's it's relatively cheap in comparison to conventional medicine. And then it's terribly effective, whereas conventional medicine is not effective. In studies that have been done, chemotherapy benefits overall about two percent of the people that take it. In our experience, we are able to benefit in the same way that it's measured by chemotherapy because benefit as yes, the tumor came down, but the patient died, it doesn't matter. It was beneficial. Because you know, the tribercan so taking all of those specialments such, we're able to help about forty percent of the patients that come to us in some form, sometimes as you know, just a dignified treatment that gives purpose to the patients in the meantime that they die without pain, without losing their hair, without vomiting, and then in prospective political trials. That we're done with survival rates. For instance, patients that come to us with stage four breast cancer, with conventional therapy, the five year survival rate is about sixteen percent. Ours is fifty percent five years of rivalry. And if the patients come to us version to treatment, they received no chemotherapy whatsoever or radiation, then the five year survival rate is seventy five percent, five times more than with conventional therapy. So it is very effective. But like Rick said, we do more for the patients than against the tumor. And what we do for the patients is what actually fights the tumor. So we work for the immune system so that the immune sism is actually the one that gets rid of tumors. So we have very strong immunotherapies in conjunction with B seventeen and other therapies that have been proven very very effective against cancer. And when we feel that chemotherapy, surgery or radiation therapy would be beneficial to the patients, we're not shy about it and we're very open. Because there are some tumors that respond very very. Well to conventional therapies. Most of them don't and that's why they need alternatives. But when a patient needs surgery, we are not shy of saying what you need now is surgery or radiation or chemotherapy. But we have everything available. That's the unfortunate part. In America, they only have the very toxic things available, and they don't have the natural things that have proven to be very very effective. Sure, and just for those that might be concerned, might be bulking a little bit at the cost, I would imagine that there's payment plans that they are available for these patients. Is that correct? That is correct? And then there are some grants. We have patients that donate money to a fund. Real talk, there's a lemon shaped toy making women text their friends at two am screaming, you have to get this meet lem by Hello Nancy. Every twenty five seconds. Someone discovers Limb with five hundred thousand customers at a four point seven star rating. People call it toe curling and mind blowing. That's exactly why it's all over social media. Don't let the cute design fool you. With twelve intensities, lem is waterproof westpur quiet and incredibly DISCREETE got a Hello Nancy dot com. That's Hello Nancy dot com. Once you try it, you'll understand when. You're pulled in every direction. Kids, Aaron's aging parents. It feels like all you can do is keep up. But tomorrow matters too. 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Some people might say, no, you know, Rick Hill, I never liked him anyway. Sorry, I had to throw a little jab out there, but no, it is there's people. You want them in your life, You want your family member in your life. And so I don't think thirty thousand, forty thousand dollars is really all that much money when you compare it to the life. Now, I want to get into the treatments, and I'll bring both of you into this conversation because, as you were saying, doctor Contreras, it's a lot of different things. It's not just the seventeen. You're looking at all the different medicines that could potentially help and assist these people in defeating cancer. We've got about forty seconds left, and so what I'm gonna do first is I'm going to point everybody to the websites, and then we'll come back from the break and talk about those treatments. But I want everybody to go to Oasis of Help or sorry, Oasis of Hope dot com and you can check that out. And if you've got somebody that has been diagnosed, I would point them this direction, ladies and gentlemen. I know for me, I would never go through traditional cancer treatments unless, well unless doctor Corturus told me, hey, we're going to do a little chemo because we think it'll actually help this tumor. I also want to point everybody to B seventeen works dot com as well, and We're gonna have to come back and I'll talk a little bit more about that. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to be a walking billboard. Some of us don't have platforms such as church and state, but you know what, we can wear T shirts and engage in great conversations with Christians and Patriots all across the country. Stand Up Now Apparel is the best T shirts out there. These are American made, owned by a Christian and a Patriot, and the material it's like getting a warm hug from yours truly. One of the better things as well, is there's no tags. I hate tags. I know you do as well. 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Let's chump the sponsored by chump A Casino. No purchase necessary FVEGW Group voard. We're prohibited by Law twenty one plus terms and conditions apply. Well, there's a number of things available, and we try to use the most effective first, and if that is not sufficient, we can then upgrade the therapies. For many, many years, my father's treatment was basically labril diet and spiritual support. That was it, and that was the only thing that was available, and he was. A well We reviewed his records for a long time and he had about a twenty five percent rate of success, that is amazing in comparison to conventional therapy. And so when I came. To work with my father, I started focusing on the seventy five percent and what. Is it that we could do to improve. On that amazing twenty five percent that he was able to achieve just. With a mingling a loan. And so we have added a number of protocols. Like high dose vitamin C that has proven to be. Very very effective, hyperthermia ozone therapy, low dose chemotherapy sometimes and lately we have been working in the last twenty years with very strong immune therapies, very personalized immune therapies against patients tumors, and we have increased significantly the rate of success in many many more you know our percentage right now. As I mentioned before, like in cancer. Of the bres, there are some cancers that respond much better than others, but for instance cancer of the pancreas, we have very good results of varying cancer, lung cancer, stomach cancers, cancers that are very very aggressive where conventional therapy virtually has nothing to offer. And in fact, there are studies that show that if patients do nothing, they actually live longer and better quality of life than if they start any therapy. You being a doctor, you know that tumors of the. Head and neck are extremely aggressive and the therapies are devastating. So we have, as I mentioned hideos, vitamin C, hyperthermi ozone therapy. Nutrition is a big part of our therapy, so diet plays a major role. And then we have what it's called the IMPACT protocol that stands for immune Personalized autologous cell therapy and they're based on dendritic cell vaccines. This is how they were named in America. It's been developed in America. Unfortunately, Americans only can use it when there are trials available to them. It's still not approved by the FDA because they want to convert this into a drug. Because there's no money in individualized protocols. But the therapy was designed as an individual therapy and that's the way that we do it here. That's why it's available in Mexico because it's very easy to prove something. If it's effective or not right. You know, the timers is big and now it's as big, so obviously it's effective. Where you spend the money is in safety, but Mexican government said, it's a vaccine that is prepared just for that patient from the patient's own tissues. There's no safety issues whatsoever, and so Mexico approved it for once. Common sense it prevails. We have been able to. Do this now for many, many years, and unfortunately Americans have to come to Mexico for a therapy that was developed in America. So overall that is, that is the combination of therapies that we have available for our patients. But Amiddaland continues to be the pillar of our therapy. Sure, Okay, and Rick is somebody that's gone through this, do you have anything to add to what doctor Controz was talking about here? Well, if you think I look bad, now, okay, that was me in nineteen seventy four, taken at the Mayo Clinic, get out of my spotlight there, But that's me with my Fonsie Greaser Detroit airdoo and then the thing going into my I don't know where that tube went, gastric probably, but yeah, I look at the people that I have known over the years that have gone through therapy, ask me my opinion, got a little smirk on their face? Like, well, Rick was never, never the brightest guy in class anyway, how could he know? Well, I didn't. I trusted that I was being led, and sometimes not thinking you're so smart can be an advantage. So I went down there not exactly trusting because it was a scary thing for me. But once I met doctor Contreras Senior and began to understand what it was that they wanted to do, and that I would participate fully for as long as I needed to, which stretches into today. Even I bought fifty one years. What do you think that should cost? I mean the fees doctor Contreras was talking about is a used car. Well, my life is worth saving. It's worth more than a used car. And if you find clinics in the United States that even try and mimic what he's done, there's no room they give you with your own private bathroom and companion bed as well as the patian bed. They're not going to serve you three organic meals a day. You got to stay in a hotel, go to restaurants to eat, rent a car, and this place is surrounded by a big wall and as a guard. You know, for those of you that say, well, Tijuana can be scary, Are you kidding? I grew up in Detroit. Detroit's pretty scary. You want to. Talk about scary? You know. I found the people, and you don't know this, Doc. One day I accidentally got in the wrong car at that at the border to bring me to Oasis. For some coincidental reason. The guy rolled down the window and said, are you Rick? I said yeah, he said, come on, we'll take you. I got in the car. Off we went. Well. I knew enough to know we were going the wrong way, so I said, hey, you guys, I appreciate the lift, but I got to go that way toward the ocean. And they said, well, aren't you Rick Zambrowski or some name like that. I said, no, my name's Rick Hill. They just pulled over. I got out. That wouldn't happen did in Detroit. You know, Let's see what money this guy's got. Let's see if we can you know. Yeah, I'm just saying, come on, it's by the ocean. It's impli as and and I've been there. I don't know. What do you think? Doc? Maybe one hundred times over the years, visiting talking to the patients, having a free lunch. Yeah, it's a wonderful place and some people go there every year like a spot. In fact, one guy is a NASCAR driver, remember him, And he's got the Oasis logo on the hood of his car, so when he's going around and around, you get to see their logo. So that's that kind of place. Yeah, that's that's fantastic. Let me ask you something else. I'd like to be a little bit controversial. I like to push the boundaries, and I'm going to say something that the Christian audience might be like, oh my gosh, did he just say that? But I want to ask you about marijuana because I've been hearing that marijuana can also be used as a treatment for cancer, and maybe that gets me in trouble with the audience. Whatever. I hope they'd at least be interested in hearing about alternatives here. But is this something that your clinic would use, or is the evidence that you're seeing saying that no, this is actually a bunk treatment. I'm one of those Christians that would be appalled in trying something like that, but I've been studying the literature and it's very compelling, and in fact, we have specific receptors for marijuana. Can you believe that God puts Those are things that God gave to us. And the results are so good that I came to the conclusion that whenever it's approved in Mexico, the Oasis of Hope is going to be a very happy place. The medical use it. It's already approved in America, not in Mexico yet, but there's there's no question that it has some anti tumor activity directly, and there. Are dosages that will. Not get the patients high, and uh so I do believe that it has a place and we will probably use it whenever. It's going to be available in Mexico. And again, when you use it correctly, the patients are not going to get high and are not going to be addicted to it. So the fact that that that we have. Receptors specifically for these elements means that in some way they are going to help us. And everything is about the dose, right. I mean, you can kill yourself by drinking a lot of water, and so the difference between a venom and a cure is the amount. And so when we find the correct amounts, I think that it's going to be beneficial to the patients. We have many patients that are already taking a medicinal cannabis, most of them start to improve their appetite, to control pain, to sleep better, and those are minute dose a just and it's very effective for that. But I think that that using it correctly, it's going to be also helpful as far as reducing tumor activity. Absolutely, And I mean what you're talking about with the receptors, it's the same with nicotine, right, we have nicotine receptors in our bodies. So clearly there is some medicinal uses, something that God created in us that this can be helpful. And for me, I'm going to look to nature. I'm going to look to what the Bible says about being, you know, life, being in the seed to be able to use that to cure people. That's my standard. I'm going to go off with with a Bible says versus what man says. Correct, correct, And you're right. It is incredible that people do not get the fact that God created us and how could he have created us without a maintenance plan? So everything that we need to keep and regain our health. Has to be already here. We just have to discover it correct and and so that's what we're thriving for, finding the things that God put on this earth to maintain our health and to regain our health. When we lose it. It's already here. Because God would not have made us without a maintenance plan. Sure, absolutely. And I mean, when I'm looking at this, I'm going to bring Rick back into this conversation. But when I'm looking at this, given the alternatives, if I'm sat down and presented with this, you know, hey, you have cancer, and I look at it and say, well, what's the success rate for the chemo, for the radiation, for surgery? And then I look over here and say what's the success rate for you know, B seventeen and cannabis and whatever else? It looks like the more natural approaches, and I weigh those two. It's a pretty easy decision for me. I've never had cancer, But Rick, was it a pretty easy decision for you to say, I think I'm going to go that route. Well, if I hadn't been a Christian, I think it would have been nearly impossible. I looked at the circumstances and it reminded me of when Abraham was trying to find a wife for his son, where he comes up with this four hundred and fifty mile camel trek, you know, with one I'm loaded with jewels to convince her that this dowry was a good deal. And I laughed out loud when I read that story. I thought, well, he stacked the deck, you know, I mean, come on. But when he got back, and here's my punchline, when he got back after the trip, she agreed to go. And one of the servants said to the other servant halfway through that trip, didn't you think what in the world am I doing? And the servant that took the trip said no, because I being in the way. The Lord led me, and I was being led at that time in my life, and I had such a weird day that no one could explain with the chemotherapist and my father in law, and you know that, I just said, this is the hand of God and I'm going to follow it. So I hate to be glib or or that kind of thing, but that is what I was thinking. But when my wife got on the plane to kiss me goodbye, you could do that in those days, we were both in tears, and I said to her, sweetheart, I think this is going to be a one way trip. I don't think I'm coming back, at least not like this. Well you say, well, then that's not very faithful. You're not exercising fake You gotta believe for this to let you know know, what you gotta do is believe you're being led and then take one step at a time, and if it's a good idea today, it'll be a good idea tomorrow. And I count on that every day of my life because I actually take this stuff. I actually do. I swallow it every day. I don't think it's a scam. I think it's real. Sure, and you haven't died from Sinaide poisoning, so I mean, there's the evidence right there. Lady gentlemen, he's taking it every single day. Well, as we wind down for this interview, what I'm gonna do is I'm going to bring up both websites and I'm going to do Oasis of Hope and I'm going to have doctor Contreras. I want you to break down this website for us. I want you to do give the little tidbits to the audience, the things that they need to know as they're exploring this website, and then Rick, I'll go to you with the B seventeen website, but doctor Contura's please tell us about Oasis of Hope. We've worked very hard on this website is very intuitive and friendly, user friendly, and we have all types of information for you that you can find there. You can find every treatment that we have. We explain very clearly, which what is it about this treatment, how it could help you. We have testimonials, we have white papers if you are more interested in finding the science. Everything that we do at the Oasis of Hope has tremendous scientific background and we will never use anything that it's not scientifically proven. So this is. A website that can help you get information so that you can make an informed decision whether we are a fit for you or not. And we hope that we could be partners with you in your journey for help. Excellent and Rick with B seventeen works dot com. We're going to bring up that website as well, and I'd love for you to share with the audience why you love this website and the resources that are available here. Well, you see that little orange box there, if they'll click on that, there's a little short, one page questionnaire to fill out. Go ahead and. Scan down. Yeah, see it. It's very short, and I'm not sure how. That's somebody wants to get out all of that off, I really do. Oh's odd. Yeah, And if they will do that, then I will contact them and tell them about the Oasis of Hope and explain why it's really good and how it worked for me. Yeah, et cetera. So it's a way that we can interact personally, and that's important because you want to feel like somebody's listening. You know, we have not unpacked this. I apologize for that. I promise you. I shut this off. Doc, I don't know what's going on. Well, that's why I'm in the ghostbone business. But it's a conversation for a different mat or a different day. But I appreciate being able to speak to people. I'm not in a hurry. I asked them, tell me your story, because I remember I called his father from minnes and the lady answered the phone at the clinic and said, I'm sorry, Doctor Contreis is at a friend's home for dinner. And I said, okay, well, I'm a Christian day school administrator principal and I've really got serious cancer here. When could I speak to him? She says, can you hang on a minute, And I said yeah. She called him on the other line and said, I got a She said, Baptist pastor here to talk to you. That's really dying. Do you think you could speak to him? He left his dinner and talked to me. And I never forgot that. Never do I rush somebody off the phone or not take the call or charge him for my opinion, because that guy showed me his father, showed me that he was the real deal and like father likes son or sonlike father. I don't since ever when I'm there that that this is just a money game. This is how they're helping people survive and thrive, not just not die, but teaching them principles of healthy living and spiritual living. And it's a life changing trip for anybody that will do it. And we continue offering that service. If you get in touch with us, we have a free consultation with me or any one of my doctors, and we will then give you an overview. Once we have an overview of. Your case, we will give you our recommendation and then you make a decision. And it's not it's for free. Look like that. Yeah, I mean that's pretty incredible ladies and gentlemen. I think you can see both of these individuals. They're in it for the betterment of humanity. They're not trying to make millions of dollars. They're not in it for the fame. No, they truly do want to help you as you battle through a very scary circumstance. Gentlemen, it's been an absolute pleasure having both of you on. I so appreciate your work, what you've done for people as a whole, and I look forward to having you back on the show. But i'll give both of you last words here. Well, thank you very much. I pray that this information is valuable to you, and I just want to leave you with this cancer is not a death sentence. There are many things that you can do to survive it and even to beat it. God bless you. Rick. Any last words for the audience. Can't say it better than that. That's my doctor. That's my doctor. I love it. All right, Well, I'm gonna go ahead and close this out. 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