Church & State - Red Balloon with Andrew Crapuchettes

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Well, thank you for having me. And yeah, it's kind of exciting that we are basically neighbors. kind of we're like cousins like we're that close almost to being related so really nice to talk to you on air. It is indeed except for you live in a good state and I live in a bad state so I'm like I'm like peeking over the fence you know like hey can I come over and play because I don't want to be here anymore. Yeah we welcome everyone to Idaho we just tell the California people to wipe the blue off your shoes on the way in and then you're welcome as long as you don't vote the way that you wrecked your own state then we'd love to have you here in Idaho it's beautiful. Which is quite literally what happened in Texas. All these Californians moving in and Texas was like, it could never happen here. Well, it just happened there. Just did. Yep, exactly. Yeah. So Red Balloon, I've actually, I've got my resume on there, actually, even though I'm currently employed. I did it before I was, but I get emails from you guys, a lot of great companies. And it's not like Indeed, it is literally designed for people that are conservative, and I'd love to hear why you wanted to start this. Yeah, the story of Red Balloon kind of goes back to my previous occupation where I was a CEO of a labor market data company, and everything was going along swimmingly. We were growing, profitable. I'd sold the business three different times. I had a board that was based out of— it was a nonprofit out of Indianapolis— That had purchased the company. Everything was going great until 2020. Remember that the year the world lost their mind? Well, my board unfortunately lost their mind along with them and basically sat me down and said, look, we're going to need you to start campaigning for leftist agenda, whether it's BLM or George Floyd or covid. or DEI or any of the crazies that kind of hit the world in 2020. And so I said, well, I'm not going to do that. It would be bad for business for me to decide that I'm going to be a social warrior on the left, because even if the vast majority of our customers agree, some of them are not going to. And I think that you should just I should focus on building a great business and not trying to turn into some sort of leftist social warrior. So it would be bad for business, and I wouldn't do it anyway, right? And they're like, okay, so here's the deal. You basically, we think the reason you're saying no is because you're a conservative Christian CEO, and that's just. Not allowed anymore. And I'm like, oh, it's not allowed anymore. I'll take the compliment that you realize that I'm a conservative Christian CEO. It means I'm doing my job well, but I am not going to compromise on those things. And so I have a long series of events, including me selling the business one more time for them and doing an exit. I ended up leaving that business. And that business is still in town here in Moscow and continues to grow. It's now rebranded to Lightcast. It's under new ownership. And actually, the CEO is a very good friend of mine. We have good relations now. But in 2020, it was kind of a painful time, right? Because job that I loved, really great paying job. And I love the people I worked with. I love the customers. But basically, I was, you know, given this choice between my job and my values. And I thought, well, as a CEO and someone who's had some success that God's really blessed, I could shrug off losing my job financially, right? It was painful. I had to grapple with kind of, is my identity in my job or in Christ, all those things. But financially, it wasn't a big deal. But not everybody's in that same boat. And if you are given this choice of keep your job, just make this little compromise, and you'll be able to continue to feed your kids and pay your mortgage, or. Right. The alternative. That's a really hard decision for a lot of Christians and conservatives. And so I thought, OK, well, I should do something to help people who are in the same boat as I was, who couldn't afford to shrug off losing their jobs. So. That's why I started Red Balloon. It was really just a job board for the pro-freedom America, all those people out there who wanted to make the right decision for their family about whether it was vaccines or DEI or any of these different issues. It's not necessarily a Christian job board. It's all around freedom and patriotism, hard work and merit rather than wokeness. And I honestly just started as a little side hobby. And then it kind of took off because turns out there's demand for freedom in America. And now we're a fairly large multimillion dollar business. I absolutely love this. I would imagine that employers love this. You know, if you're a conservative, like you said, don't even have to be Christian, although a lot of them are. And you're a business owner and you're looking to hire somebody. And you immediately, through going to Red Balloon, can weed out, you know, the blue haired Subaru driver that, you know you're going to offend because you say something, right? Something about how you voted, something about I went to church today. I mean, they get offended over everything. So you can immediately weed that out simply by going to Red Balloon. That's exactly right. We had one employer actually down in California, the People's Republic of, and this employer was like, well, I posted a job on ZipRecruiter and I got 700 applicants. And three of them were kind of worth talking to, right? But he said, but it took about four days to go through all 700 meaningfully. He said, I posted a job on Red Balloon and I got like 10 applicants, but also three of them were really good people. All of them were good people, but three of them were a really good fit and ended up hiring off that, right? So not only are we a filtering mechanism for employers, so you're not getting the people who are gonna come in and try and wreck your culture, but they're actually gonna build the culture you've worked so hard to establish. But we also have full. Cycle recruiting services now. So we have a lot of businesses who say, look, the best employee is not always clicking on job postings, not responding to job emails. They're happily heads down, focused on their job. And I need someone to go find them. And tap them on the shoulder and say, look, there's an opportunity with a pro freedom business here. That you should be looking at. So we are now doing that. We've done, I think we're pushing, we're racing towards a thousand recruiter engagements that we've now done for businesses ranging from really large businesses to a mom and pop who's hiring their first employee and doesn't want to wreck their first hire, right? So we kind of do the gamut. We've done construction, manufacturing, healthcare, a lot in technology, just making sure that we place the right people in the right job and just be a blessing to our employers, which is what we strive to do every day. Absolutely. I know for my own personal self, I've gone through this, and I've either put in for political jobs or media jobs, and there's a lot out there. There really is. You run the gamut. There's Convention of States I see on here a lot that's looking for hires. I wouldn't put work for them because I'm not a Convention Estates guy. I think that's kind of dangerous. But there's a lot of opportunity here for whatever your skill set is. That's right. That's right. And Convention Estates is a great example. I'm not necessarily a Convention Estates guy, but We're roughly on the same team, and so they're very welcome on our job board. And it's kind of funny. Because, you know, we have a number of employers who have come to us and said, hey, can we just post anonymously because we really want the type of people that you bring in. but we've got a couple activists within our business who would beat us up if we did this. In fact, we had one university down. In Florida where a vice president level person was talking about using us for recruiting services and nearly lost his job over it because the activists on campus beat him up over that. We actually figured out a way to be like, look, don't let those people run your day and let's figure out a way to do the hiring and not stress them out. So That's great. But it is interesting that it is a polarizing thing for some people. But the reality is that all of the employers on Red Balloon you can trust. These are all people who we vetted that they're not doing DEI. They're not pushing an agenda. They're focusing on hard work and meritocracy. So. As a job seeker, that gives you a lot of, you know, blessed assurance that you're not going to be going to a job that hates your worldview, hates your values, but one that's going to let you just focus on work and what built America in the first place. I love that, you know, to go to a job and to be able to celebrate Columbus Day or something like that, you know, like, wow, like, who knew? I do find it funny, though, that from the left, you know, they're supposed to be this super tolerant people class, right? And what we've experienced is they're the exact opposite of it. And so, yeah, they're tolerant of, I mean, let's just call it, you know, brass tacks. They're tolerant of sin is what it is, right? But if you come in there and you... look like you or I, you know, normal, you know, we don't have a whole bunch of piercings or whatever. And we go to church and we go home to our families. And that's, you know, the American apple pie dream kind of thing. Boy, they hate you. Oh, I know. I know. And here's, you know, there's a couple of interesting things on that. First of all, like as conservatives, we, you know, COVID comes around, everybody got all up in arms. They started going for school, you know, started running for school boards and, They started getting involved. Trump gets in the White House and everybody kind of goes back to sleep. That's what conservatives do. Right. And then this election cycles comes around and everyone's like, oh, no, what are we going to do? Well, you know, we knew. That the worldview of a lot of these H.R. departments of big companies was not changing. They were just kind of keeping their head down. Many of them promised that they would, you know, sunset, whether it's a DEI program or an ESG program. But they didn't really. They just renamed it and tried to keep their head down. And we've started to see businesses over the last couple of months. I think they kind of predicted this election coming around and like, OK, we can kind of do what we want again. And so you saw companies like Traeger. And Duluth Trading Company and Carhartt, who are reintroducing their DEI program, are reintroducing a lot of their social justice programs, which is super sad, right? And so Red Balloon's been building all through this time, right? If you looked at Red Balloon two years ago when Trump got in office, we didn't have nearly the scale or the scope that we have today. But, you know, I think here at Red. Balloon, we're like, okay, we need to stack hands and keep building because we know the culture is going to swing back. And we need to be ready for that moment. The other thing that's interesting is the number of death threats, particularly that I got during the COVID era, because I started Red Balloon, tells you that this is an important issue. Because if you're getting fired, you're probably over the target. And the reality is that a job is such an important defining feature of someone's life. And if you put someone in a job where you can use, and I keep picking on DEI, but I don't mind doing that. You use DEI as a liturgy to try and affect the way that people think about themselves, their coworkers in the world around them, which is what DEI is. It's very Marxist. And so if you use that, you can actually move someone's worldview. You can affect their worldview. And so when we started saying, look, we want people to be free to work. and free to focus on work and not this political correctness. That obviously was touching a sore spot because that's where we got a lot of attacks early on because they realized this is an important cultural issue for our country. If you take people and allow them to be free for the tasks that they spend most of their waking hours doing, there's a very good chance that that's going to affect the way they vote, the way they interact with their family, whether they go to church. And now it's kind of played out, right? And Red Balloon's been around for five years or its scale. And I've gotten thousands of thank you notes from perfect strangers who said, look, I've got a new job through Red Balloon. And I, you know, I'm starting to go to church again. I've gotten dozens of notes saying you saved my marriage because of the job that I got at Red Balloon. I had one, this one single mom wrote me and said, look, I got a new job through Red Balloon. I loved it. And three weeks into the new job, one of my boys says to me, mommy, you're not angry anymore. Right. And her first thought is like, oh, my word, I was angry, mommy. You know, nobody wants to do that. But she's like, I had no idea what the workplace culture I was in, how much of an impact it had on every other relationship in my life and really how I saw the world around me. So we see this as a very important cultural issue and hopefully a blessing to a lot of job seekers and employers to be able to find each other. Yeah, that's incredible. I'm sure when you started this, you did not expect to get notes like that. People reaching out to you and saying, you saved my marriage. But you're right. I mean, the job is important. And I know I've worked for companies that I did not like. And I know when I got off work, I was in a mood and I trudged home and it was just like, oh, I need to decompress. Don't talk to me. And that's a shame. Your kids are excited to see you. They're kind of running up and you're just like, ah, hands off. Just leave me alone for a half hour. To be able to transfer to a job where you feel rewarded, where you do your hard work. And that's the thing as Christians, we want to work hard for our employer and then to be rewarded for that and not have to have a job to where you just kind of keep your head down. And the whole thing is, Try not to be seen. Otherwise, you know, you're going to be that nail that's going to get hammered. That really is an incredible story. And I'm sure it's been a blessing for you. It really has been. I mean, so when I left my last employer, right, it really was kind of this existential moment for me of like, OK, am I. You know, I'd been the CEO for 15 years and I'd started a variety of businesses while I was running that business. But it always been kind of my main gig. It was the anchor of my career. And all of a sudden it was Monday morning and I had nothing I needed to do. Nobody was emailing me. Nobody was like there was nothing. It was just this very weird, weird moment. And that was really a helpful thing for me spiritually. My prayer life went through the roof. I got to spend a lot of time reading my Bible and studying and reading and just. Like, okay, who am I? What am I trying to accomplish? But as Red Balloon really started to hit the ground and create waves in this market, my wife, who is way smarter than I am, I'm like, She's like Dr. Crappie Schatz, and I'm sub-GED Crappie Schatz. So she's a smart one. But I paid for her degree, so I feel like that counts for something. It does. But she wrote this article in The Federalist saying, my husband wasn't fired. He was redeployed. And if the king tells you to go take a different hill— it's not your job to push back and say why, right? And that's really was this kind of moment. And I think that's a lesson for a lot of Christians, right? When we hit that kind of like, oh my word, what is going on? I ended up standing up and pushing back against a mandate that was given to me. And it was like, man, and you know, we all, at least I did, you know, second guess, like, okay, could I have just made little compromises and kept my job and, you know, Trojan horse this thing from within and, you know, all these things. I'm like, no, I think I was this visible person that I needed to say, no, this is the line. And I would rather lose my job than, than cross that line. And so, yeah, but it is definitely, it was a hard moment and, and God was faithful as always. Amen. I gotta say just on a personal note, this is one thing I like about you post mill guys is you're always trying to build something beautiful. Some people may not even get that joke, but we get it. We're, we're on the same page. You know, one of the big things you, 2020 was such a crazy year and, you know, and then 21 and 22 and all that. But I've always talked about silver linings. And one of the big silver linings is the fact that a lot of people woke up. But another silver lining that I'm going to have to add to this is Red Balloon, because this was the catalyst to it. And within the medical freedom community, I talk about this subject a lot. And I've had a lot of these different doctors on that pushed back that got fired and things. And I know for a lot of people, that ability to say, I'm going to take this vaccine, I'm not going to take this vaccine. I'm going to look at naturopathy versus traditional medicine. That's a big one. And so for people that want to retain that right, that God-given right, Red Balloon is a great resource for them. That's exactly right. And honestly, the funny story is when I. When I started Red Balloon, I started it as just like, hey, this is just going to be a job board. I'll make it. I'm a tech guy. So my brother and I literally in a week and wrote the job board and we're like, we've done our thing. I made some videos for LinkedIn because I had a decent following there. And I'm like, now people can find each other. I've done my job. I'm going to get back to playing golf and hanging out with my kids. And then I get this call from Fox and Friends. And because what I had said on LinkedIn is like, look, if you want to get a vaccine, you're an adult, do whatever you want. But you should talk to your doctor, not your HR department, about what you put in your body. And that was very controversial in 2021 when these vaccine mandates came around. And so they had me on Fox and Friends. And here's the embarrassing part. I am not a news junkie. I did not even know what Fox and Friends was. I thought it was a kid's show. I thought, you know, it's like, hey, Mr. Weasel, what are we going to do? You know, like Fox and Friends. Sounds like a kid's show anyway. So I look into them like, oh, it's a big deal. Anyway, so I go on Fox and Friends, and we had 1,000 businesses sign up and 40,000 job seekers sign up in the five minutes that I was on Fox and Friends. Wow. And at that point, I didn't have any employees. I didn't even have an LLC established. I had just made this website and didn't realize that there was so much. Demand for this. Yeah, it has been it has been an incredible blessing and the funnest job I've ever done. But, you know, it's still a startup, so it's super hard. Yeah, I would imagine. But I see this as continuing to grow. And I want to go back to something that you said, which you're absolutely right on. Conservatives go back to sleep. We always have. You know, it's you get Trump in office and the audience knows I'm not the biggest Trump fan on this on this program here. But you get him in office and all of a sudden, life is good, right? I feel like Nacho Libre, my life is good. That's how I feel. That's how conservatives act. And now we just saw an election and the blue wave came through in places where people didn't expect it. And you're right. DEI is coming back. You're going to see a whole slew of craziness. That pendulum always swings. So I see Red Balloon as fulfilling a massive need. There's going to be a lot of people out there, both employers and employees that are going to be going to this website because they don't want any part of this. That's right. That's right. We have, you know, we have nearly 100,000 unique job seekers on the website every month. We have half a million jobs on their businesses that we've vetted. And so we really have gotten to scale over the last two years of peace. Right. And this is the this is what I wish everyone understood is like, OK, we did have a little more peace when Donald Trump got into office. And I'm with you. I don't agree with everything the man does. But there was kind of this this sense of peace there. And here at Red Balloon, we're like, you know, we need to use this kind of, you know, this respite to build and build as fast as we can because we know the next battle is coming, right? And unfortunately, I think a lot of conservatives are like, okay, we did our job. And then I've, you know, I've seen in the last couple of weeks a bunch of these, I'll call it pro-freedom marketplaces or other things that are trying to spool up from scratch all over again because, oh no, we need. To do a thing. But unfortunately, that just leaves us not really ever getting to the scale where we can bless people in this country. And so I'm just grateful that Red Balloon and my awesome team here made the decision that we need to continue to build and build hard during that, you know, the last two years. So now that we're we're in a pretty significant scale and are able to help businesses all over this country. Now, Andrew, did you get that mentality from the Bible? It seemed like I've read that somewhere. Like, look at the ant you sluggard. You took advantage of a rather peaceful time to build up the business because you knew that something like what we just saw with the elections was going to happen. That's right. Yeah. So there's this. There's this really cool book. It's called Proverbs. And it's actually like it is the Bible's business book, just to be honest. Right. If you're a business guy out there and I've been blessed to start a lot of businesses, I think I've had eight successful exits at this point. If you're not steeped in Proverbs, then you're missing a trick. Um, so yeah, absolutely. The it's, it's very clear what you need to do, um, get into Proverbs and then go build stuff. And I think, you know, for conservatives, my. Message for a lot of them is like, look, and I would, I would say in this for the last two years is like, get off the couch, stop drinking beer and watching football and Fox news and go build, go do things. Um, because we serve the creator God. And if we know the Lord of the universe who created everything, we should be the best at business and we should use business to bless our communities, um, create wealth for our families and prosperity for our community. So, um, I'm just a huge fan of Christians, um, not just being in business, but being highly ambitious in business with a godly ambition. Like how do we go build billion dollar businesses? So we're not beholden to, um, Bay area companies who want to push a worldview down our throats. So I just think it's really important. And I hope that this election cycle wakes people back up. Um, and we're going to continue to see red balloon grow. I think that might be the book for you to write, Proverbs Business or something like that, because that's a fantastic tip to anybody in the audience who maybe they have an idea. There's a need here, and I'm a free market guy, so I want to go fill that need. Get into Proverbs. Number one, it's awesome that we're going to be pushing people to read the Bible more, but as a business guy, if you're going through and you're like, okay, do this, don't do that. Do this. I mean, you are, I don't want to say, cause I'm not a prosperity gospel guy and I know you're not either, you know, it's not a guarantee guys, but this is definitely a very good business model. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not a, God is not a vending machine where you put in, you know, a certain number of prayers and Bible verses, and then you get out a million dollars. But God has given us his word. And it is a wonderful map to what success looks like in the world. And I will tell you, success looks like a lot of hard work because God cares more about the players than he does about the score, right? He would rather that you. Did hard things and fail because it's going to make you a better person than for you to not ever try and do a hard thing because you might fail. Right. And that's, you know, God cares more about the players than the score. He cares about you. He cares about your soul. But also your. Kids are watching. Right. If you're just doing the easy thing. I was at a college and somebody, you know, we did a talk on ambition and one of the students is like, hey, so, you know, I have this course of this course. Which one should I follow? And I'm like, look, I don't, you know, I'm not going to give you life advice from the stage in front of everybody. But what I will tell you is whatever's the hardest thing is as a young man, whatever's the hardest thing is what you should do. Not the easiest thing, the hardest thing, because God is using that to turn you into a better version of yourself. So, and I think that's the same for all Christians, right? We want to, we want to build a beautiful world. We want to strive for these things, but we want to do it in a way that we're, that we're using those hard things, that God usually uses to build up his people and keep us strong. Because, you know, what do they say? The saying is, you know, strong men make easy times and easy times make soft men, right? We need to continue to harden ourselves, to continue to strive, to push and do hard things, even when you don't have to. And when you do that, you're setting an example for your kids. You're Look, it is hard to be ambitious. It is hard to be brave. And but when you do it, you're giving other people are seeing that and they're like, OK, well, if that person can do it, if, you know, sub GED crappy shits over here can grow a business, then anybody can grow a business because that guy's not that smart. He doesn't even have hair for crying out loud. This is good. But but honestly, like we need and especially within the youth. We need a massive mentality shift because there's people out there that are like, well, I can just become an influencer and my life is going to be super easy. I'm not even going to have to do anything. I just turn on my phone, record myself and get millions of hits and all of a sudden I'm getting paid for that. No, we need to go back with the youth and teach them to work hard, to work diligently. We need more farm kids is really what we need. Kids that know a hard day's labor, get up at the break of dawn and don't go to bed till the sun goes down. That's the kind of stuff we need. Now we're going to go to a hard break here, but when we get back, I want to really dive into Red Balloon and look through the website with you. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with Church and State, and I want to tell you about Methylene Blue. For a long time now, you've seen the Maha people using methylene blue. I thought I'd give it a try. You know what? 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I wrote it phonetically on a piece of paper right here. That's what I'm doing. But I'm so far it's working for me. But let's go back. And Chris, if you can bring up Red Balloon for me. I want to show the audience this, and I want to walk through it because it's very, very simple. Right off the bat, you can see it, red buttons. I'm looking to hire. I'm looking for work. Walk us through for both. If you're looking for a job or you're looking to employ someone, how easy is it to get on this website and post it? Yeah, we have a free option for both employers or job seekers. everything's free for the job seeker. You can go and you can create a profile and then employers can find you. You can also set up job alerts. So whenever a new job comes up, that's a good fit for your skills, for your desires, where you want to live, et cetera. I actually, we just hired somebody here at Red Balloon and he was finishing a 23 year career in the military down in Texas. And he just set up a job alert for whenever jobs showed up in Moscow, Idaho, because he wanted to move to Moscow. And lo and behold, we ended up hiring him at our company, which we're a big fan of, and he is awesome. So you can set up job alerts. You can basically say, where are the things that I want to do and where do I want to go? And it will tell you all about that. And so it's free. It's easy. And we have this fundamental belief that people are made in the image of God. Therefore, they're way more complicated than a piece of paper called a resume. And so you can fill out additional information, like what are three things about me? I remember I was watching reading a profile of someone who had just applied to PragerU, who's one of our customers. And his three things were, I got two sacks in a bowl game for my college. I passed $ 100, 000 in sales in the first quarter at a job. And I love Jesus Christ. And I'm like, man, I would like to hire that person. Right. So it just allows you to kind of see people as a little bit more complicated than just the resume, just the skills. And and all that information is in there. We also have a lot coming. I used to run an analytics company. We're working on some cool stuff there. So. Go check that out. So if that's of your job seeker, it's easy. Fill that out. And we would love to have you on the platform. You would be one of many, many thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who have filled out a profile and then are able to be found by employers. If you're over on the employer side, we have a couple different options for you. Straightforward, you can post one job for free. You can go on there, create an account. Post a job for free and really put it in front of the best job seekers in our country, pro-freedom job seekers who think that merit, hard work, capitalism are good things, that they are not opposed to you as a business owner making money because they actually realize that that's how the world works. And you don't have to walk on eggshells around them. You don't have to worry they're going to be offended constantly. You can just focus on hard work and merit. And these are people who will support what you have built as a business, both your culture and and your initiative. So post that job for free. You can spend a little bit of money if you want to be able to look at the resume database. I think it's like 300 bucks a month. It's not too bad. And then you can go out and actively recruit people. Or obviously, if you would like to have us do full cycle recruiting for you, we are happy to do that. And I'll give you an example of that real quick. National Religious Broadcasters is a good friend of ours and a customer of ours. And so Troy Miller, who runs National Religious Broadcasters, he called me a couple of years ago when we were starting recruiting and said, Andrew, I need a CFO. I need a CFO badly in this organization's struggling financially because I don't know what I'm doing and I need the CFO. And he said, unfortunately, I just talked to a recruiting firm, and they said it was going to cost me $ 50, 000 to $ 70, 000 to fill that CFO position. He's like, we're a nonprofit, right? And their mission is effectively something in the order of keeping the airways free so the gospel can spread, right? Incredible organization. Nonprofit and a recruiter's like, well, that'll be 50 to $ 70, 000 for us to help find a CFO. Um, and that recruiter wasn't even values line, right? They weren't going to try and find someone who was a good mission fit. Uh, well, red balloon does full cycle recruiting for between nine and $ 15, 000. So, uh, we were able to save national religious broadcasters, basically $ 50, 000. Um, and we brought them three awesome people. Troy ended up hiring one of them and she's still there a couple of years later. And he told me, he's like, you basically, Red Balloon just effectively made a $ 50, 000 donation to national religious broadcasters because we were able to run a process that was a blessing to them, brought them the right people. And the reason we can do it for so much less than a traditional recruiter is because we're at scale. So we're working on 50 or more positions at any given time. We're working all over the country. We are racing towards 1,000. We're over 800 positions that we filled. using this full cycle recruiting process and we go out there we actively find people we interview them to make sure they're a culture fit and they're not going to be a waste of your time we will do a compensation review if you want to let you know what the market's paying we'll call their references we can do a background check we'll do a social media screen and we guarantee that we're going to bring you three recommended candidates for every recruitment engagement and you know, when you fill positions, I remember we had one customer, we filled a position for, I think it was family radio. And, uh, not only did we get a check, you know, for filling the position for him, but it was also a thank you note of just, you guys are such an answer to prayer because I know that beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person you brought me is not going to be a Judas, not going to be a Trojan horse within my organization, but they're going to be a culture fit. That's Um, we love it. We love require, uh, helping with recruiting because we actually get to be part of people's stories, right? I was talking to my recruiters and they're like, man, I was just talking to this lady we placed. And she's like, man, you changed the trajectory of my family. Um, and we, and we got to be part of that, right. Which is just, um, deeply, deeply satisfying. So yeah, red balloon.work, all the, all the cool stuff's there. Yeah, no, and I love being a part of the National Religious Broadcasters. I love that my program is on that, so thank you for saving them money. I do appreciate them. But yeah, I mean, this is a job board, and it doesn't—I mean, you're a carpenter, you're a plumber, you're in media like me. There's jobs out there, so I'm going to encourage the audience— redballoon.work. Go check it out if you're in the market. Maybe you're not even in the market. Maybe you're just like, hey, you know, I don't love the company that I work for. They do these kind of DEI kind of stuff. So maybe just check it out and see if there's something better out there. I got to ask you, Andrew, Red Balloon, where did the name come from? Yeah, well, first of all, it's a. work, not a. com, because we thought. com sounded too much like communism, and we don't want communism. We want hard work, right? Work was in the Garden of Eden before sin, so we're a fan of work. Red Balloon, if you've ever been on a hot air balloon. It is. A funny experience because you can't really control where you're going very well. You basically go up or down to try and find wind that's going the direction you want to go and then ride that. It's also super quiet up there. I took some of my kids on a hot air balloon in Dartmoor, England, which is where like the Hound of Baskerville is. Area was written. Beautiful. Anyway, it was just a funny experience, right? Don't have a lot of control. It's super quiet. But you are going somewhere and you're going to land at a new place. And it sounds a lot like the job search process for most people, right? You're getting ghosted all the time. You don't have an enormous amount of control over what you're doing. But you are going somewhere and you're going somewhere for freedom. And we saw a lot of people moving from blue states to red states, which used to be Texas. We'll see how that plays out. But moving to places where they can be free for a job and the opportunity to support their family. So that's that's where the Red Balloon name came from. And and there's also this funny story. I don't know. There's a movie about it. There was a family in East Germany who actually escaped over the Berlin Wall using a hot air balloon. They bought all the pieces and parts in small quantities so that they weren't the Gestapo didn't find them. And then they built a hot air balloon and their whole family one night fired that sucker up, floated over the Berlin Wall and landed in freedom, which is what a lot of job seekers have been using red balloon for. I was not aware of that story. That is phenomenal. I actually just interviewed a gentleman that escaped Czechoslovakia going through Yugoslavia and running the border into Austria. But he was in a car and then on foot. But a balloon, that is phenomenal. That's escaping communism in style. That is phenomenal. Yep, yep, yep. I think there's a movie about it. I think it's Midnight Crossing or something like that. Anyway, it's an older movie, but it's a true story. And so we thought there's a lot of these people who are stuck in a business where they feel like their worldview is under attack constantly, and we want to kind of airlift them out of that situation. So that's where Red Balloon came from. Yeah, well, I absolutely love this. Excuse me. We're we got about five more minutes here of the show. And I want to make sure that if there's anything that you felt like I haven't asked you, you know, what's a subject matter that that I haven't asked that you perhaps you want to share with the audience? No, we're in an interesting moment in America right now where you have this increasing bifurcation between pro-freedom people and not pro-freedom people. And I think that if you read Sun Tzu's The Art of War, one of the things he talks about is you need to find battles where it is both strategic and feasible. So trying to take New York City would be super strategic. And but it's not very feasible. Trying to take Beauville, Idaho is probably very feasible, not super strategic. And so when I look at the. Culture war, when I look at where we are in America today, I see the job market as something that is both feasible and strategic. Because if you look at CNN or Harvard University or some of these institutions to the left, I don't see them as really redeemable. I think probably they just need to not survive. because I don't see a complete turnaround of CNN to be a clear-thinking, even-handed conservative outlet at any point in the future, right? But obviously, they're very strategic. They're just not very feasible. Whereas the job market, there are lots of people, I won't call them conservatives, there are lots of people who are still capitalists, They still believe that making money and building things that are meaningful is the most important thing they're doing. And I think they kind of are going along to get along to keep the left happy, which is why they're implementing all these policies. And so if we can continue at scale to have the best employees and the best job and the. And the best. Employers, then all of a sudden, we're going to see people saying, you know, I don't need to follow that leftist agenda. And I can just focus on hard work and merit. And what we found from all these thank you notes is that that is actually very meaningful for American society. So it is a cultural thing that is really important. And I think it's strategic and feasible. So that's part of the reason we're focusing on this. And it's funny, because we were recruiting for a company, it was actually a marketing firm in New York City. And he's like, look, I love the people that you have on Red Balloon. He's like, look, I believe in hard work. I believe in merit. I believe in freedom. And we probably disagree on a bunch of other issues. But if I promise to not. Do a rainbow flag in June, and if I promise not to do DEI, am I allowed to use your service? And I thought, look at this. Here we are helping a New York marketing firm basically affecting the way that they think about business, affecting the way that they think about their employees because we had the best employees and he really wants those people, right? And so that's what I want to see conservatives doing is looking in this culture where what are strategic and feasible things that I can do that will impact things beyond And instead of just playing defense all the time, right, we're very excited that Prop 1 went down in Idaho, but that was a defensive move, right? They were trying to add more laws. We were like, no, don't add more laws. I'd love to see conservatives go on the offensive, right, before I could actually sit down with that New York marketing firm and say, look, if you want access to people who are going to build your culture, build your business— I'm going to need you to do a couple things where you're not, you know, promising to not go left on stuff. So I would love to see conservative Christians doing that and not just always on their heels playing defense, but like, no, we should be driving culture because we serve a God that, you know, built culture. So anyway, that's what I think everyone should be doing. And that's what I'm doing in my little part. Of the world. Yeah, that is a win in my book. If you're influencing a marketing agency out of New York to not have rainbow flags and DEI, I call that a win. Absolutely. It has been an absolute pleasure having you on. I will remind the audience, redballoon.work. Go check it out. Share it with your friends, your neighbors, because people are looking for jobs. So go check out redballoon.work. Andrew, it has been a pleasure having you on the show. I really appreciate you coming on it and also all the work that you're doing for the conservative movement, for Christians as well. I really do appreciate that. But I got to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for coming on the show. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. I love solutions like this. This is what we are supposed to be doing. There's a lot of talk shows out there that will tell you all the problems, but not enough are showing solutions. and RedBalloon.Work is one of those great solutions, so please go check it out. The Caleb Collier Show of Church and State Media is brought to you in part by Colonial Life Spoken Independent Agents, Finders Insurance, and Mark37. com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to the fire. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to be a walking billboard. Some of us don't have platforms such as church and state, but you know what? We can wear T-shirts and engage in great conversations with Christians and patriots all across the country. Stand Up Now apparel is the best T-shirts out there. 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