Church & State - The Sleeper Agent with A.W. Finnegan

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Uh, 2016, I believe, uh, although I would say it, it may be. Possible that I had it all my life and got a second dose in 2016 is when it went chronic because my mother had it and it does pass to the children. Um, And then she got really sick around 2000. So I was well aware. Of Lyme disease, and I saw how debilitated my mother was because of it. And I had read this book, Lab 257. I'm sure you're aware of that book. And I had read that, I believe it was 2006. And I think it came out in 2004, but it was the first book that It talked about John Loftus, the Nazi hunter who wrote the introduction to my book. And it was talking about Eric Traub. It was talking about the Plum Island stuff, the tick tests. And so that got me really interested. And then when I got sick in 2016, I was like, I put this timeline together and I reached out to John Loftus because I had decided that I wanted to write this book. I had decided that I want to figure out this story. And I was just driven. I was like, I'm going to figure out this story. And I sent him a timeline. So I reached out to him. I think it was on like Facebook or something. Didn't hear back from him for a long time. And then one day he just sent he got back to me and he was like, wow, this is amazing. Why don't you give me a call? gave him a call, um, started corresponding with him. He also introduced me to some filmmakers he was talking to who were doing a project on the same thing. And then it kind of became this like group project. They were helping me get all the documents. Um, like a lot of the German papers from German universities, all of Eric Chubb's work, they were helping me with funding to get a lot of the important documents over in, um, Over in Germany, like the Federal Archives over there, there was some, you know, like the embezzlement investigation at Eritrea was pretty expensive. So they were very helpful like that. And what I would do is I would be writing my book and I would tell them what I found so that they could write a screenplay about it. Unfortunately, the screenplay didn't go anywhere, but my book definitely did. It got published, and Chris Milligan, who owns Trine Day, who I also work for now, after the book was published, I got a job with them. He had already published, republished, rather, John Loftus's original The Belarus Secret, and as America's Nazi Secret is the new name now under Trine Day. I was corresponding with Loftus for, like, All of those years. I mean, I spent seven or so years writing that book, I think. Oh, and here's the other thing. And so he's not actually the source of that information. It's actually a biodefense source, a very high level biodefense source who also held acute clearance like Loftus. And that guy had so much good information. He said, why don't you look into this or this or this? You know, and I would look into stuff and there's some stuff like, you know, that I found hard to believe. And but instead of being. Hard headed and thinking I know everything, I just decided to follow up on all of his all of his all of his suggestions and. They never stopped producing. And once I started looking into Eric Trapp, oh, and back up just a little bit, there was a Lyme disease group that I had joined. I think it was on Facebook. And I met a bunch of women who were running this group. And they taught me. About the way that Lyme disease actually works, how it basically disables your immune system and then brings on these reactivated viruses. And you just get from head to toe, you just get Basically like turning your body against itself And they taught me about this condition Known as immune tolerance And it's just like chronic immune deficiency You can think of it like this They call it immune tolerance Because your immune system is suppressed into a state Where your body is forced to tolerate harmful pathogens That it should otherwise be keeping out of your body Because you don't have a good immune system It's not working properly So when I started looking into Eric Traub, I ended up finding out after I had learned about all that stuff that he was the one who actually discovered immune tolerance. And he was doing it during vaccine research at the Rockefeller Institute. So that was all like everything just kind of came together. If I hadn't known those women who were running that group, they were called truth carriers. I wouldn't have learned about immune tolerance. I wouldn't have had really any clue about Eric Chobb's work. And if I didn't meet Loftus, I wouldn't have met his biodefense source and had all of that other information that was very important. It just kind of came together. So it was amazing. Let me pause you here and let me back you up because I'm aware of Plum Island. But for any of the audience that maybe is like, well, what is he talking about here with Plum Island and the experiments that were occurring there? Let's back up a little bit and tell the audience what this was and why so many of us believe that there was biological weapons developed and then released. There's some debate of whether it was intentional or not. I tend to believe more intentional. But through these ticks. Yeah So what happened was. So Plum Island Back when Eric Chobb was here During paperclip It wasn't set up Under the USDA yet It was just a little army place That had a little lab Like you know And it was a site that they could test on Since it was on an island That was very important Eric Traub worked on a German Plum Island over in Germany during the war. He worked on an island called Insel Reims. When he came over to Paperclip, they were trying to set Plum Island up to be like Insel Reims based on Eric Traub's descriptions of it. Eric Traub was considered the world's top expert in biological warfare. Okay, so he was basically advising them how to run a biological warfare program, all the things to do, how to set it up. We were getting all of our biodefense practices from the Nazis. Okay. So when he was over there, they had what are called simulant tests. These simulant tests, like a simulation of a bioterror attack, right? They would spray what they say were harmless bacteria all over the city of San Francisco from a Navy ship in a fog. Those were open air tests. They also had other tests that were insect simulant tests. So he was telling them, yeah, it's harmless, but it really wasn't. It was like an attack right under our noses. They were supposed to be harmless. And at first, these are very stealth bioweapons. And I got to interject here and say, Um, most people think of biological warfares as just, you know, releasing something that kills everybody, but this is a very different kind of, um, bioweapon. It's a, it's a slow incapacitating agent, right? So it's meant to tire exhaust and overwhelm an enemy over a long period of time. It's like a long-term strategy. Um, so those were the kinds of weapons that they were using. Um, Eric Traub was overseeing these tests, and I had him with the spirochetes. Sorry. I had him with the spirochetes. The closest relative from the relapsing fever group of spirochetes are Borrelia. The closest to Borrelia, the Lyme clade or whatever, the Lyme group, Borrelia burgdorferi, and it's in the spirochetes that cause Lyme disease. And I also have. Him, what is unusual is, so usually when you get Lyme disease, you don't just get Lyme disease, you get Babesiosis, you get Bartonella, you get Ehrlichiosis, Rickettsiosis, you get, you know, and the Lyme disease, also Anaplasmosis. Well, the same year that he gets this spirochete, I also find him learning about how you can roll a whole bunch of infections into one and it causes this same immune tolerance that he discovered and was looking to induce with these weapons. That's another thing. These incapacitating agents act through this immune tolerance mechanism that he discovered. But the problem is these kinds of weapons actually blur the line between vaccine and bioweapon. Basically the same thing. What I ended up finding was the vaccines are doing the same exact thing as his bioweapons. And one thing I found, I think it's active sabotage. That's my personal takeaway after writing that book, is that our public health system has been slowly infiltrated and taken over to the point where. Now it's being used as a weapon against us. I would completely agree. Yeah. And there's one guy that I talk about in my book. So I do talk about the Soviet Union and their bioweapons program a lot because my high-level source said that they were very important. First, I laughed them off, like I said, and then I started looking into it. Well, there was this guy named M.P. Chumakov, right, Mikhail P. Chumakov. He was a serious bioweaponier, hardline Stalinist communist. And he actually, so he was testing ticks. He was testing these weaponized ticks over in Siberia. He was testing them on the Muslims and Mongolians, the rest of populations at that time. And After that, he actually goes and— so the Soviet Union captured Eric Traub's lab in Germany, and M.P. Chumakov actually went and met with Eric Traub to gain information on this immune tolerance. And then, about 1954, M.P. Chumakov teams up with Albert B. Sabin of the American Public Health System to make the oral polio vaccine. which is contaminated by the SV40, of course, just like Salk's was. And I guess Salk also had worked with this guy to some degree, but he was also investigated by the FBI and found to have many, many associations with communist front groups and stuff, Jonas Salk. And of course, he wrote that disturbing book, Survival of the Wisest. Well, M.P. Chumakov.... He makes the oral polio vaccine with Sabin, and they have all these problems. And then Sabin gets his son, Konstantin Chumakov, a job over in our public health system. The son of a hardcore Stalinist bioweaponier. This guy gets into our public health system, works his way up through the FDA, and then he was running vaccine safety and review at the FDA. He was the one approving vaccines that would be given to Americans, okay? And he's the one who assisted in approving the COVID vaccine. So let me pause you again. I mean, you're hitting the audience with so much information, and I am right there with you. I'm going to back up a second just for the audience's sake once again. You mentioned paperclip. You're talking about Operation Paperclip. This is where we took droves of Nazi scientists over to the United States and put them into all sorts of different positions. The space program is probably the one that most people are aware of, but also, like you're talking about, biological warfare. And then you also mentioned the spring over San Francisco. Look, people, look this up. This occurred. There was a death associated with that, and they were able to prove that, yes, indeed, it was a government operation. that sprayed this intentionally on the citizens of San Francisco. And then you're talking about the vaccines. And I'm so, I so appreciate that you're nailing this because I have for a very long time on this program told people don't get vaccines, do not get them. Obviously, Chris, this one's not going on YouTube. We get banned for things like that. But hey, don't, yeah, don't take them guys, because these are biological weapons. And The evidence is in this book, but it's not just in this book. It's in a lot of different publications that you can read. You can do the research on. Don't go to the internet because they're going to tell us you're a bunch of conspiracy theorists on here. But going back to Plum Island again. All right. So they're experimenting with biological weapons. A tick is just a fantastic vector, right? They can use something out of nature. that they can release into the populace. And unfortunately for those of you living in the Northeast, this is where it was. It was released here. That's why almost all the Lyme disease cases, well, predominantly the Lyme disease cases are in the Northeast, but it has spread throughout the country. So keep going with the story, sir. Yeah, so. In Eric Chubb's, these stealth weapons often make it so with immune tolerance, what happens is you get this low level of inflammation because your immune system is so suppressed. I know it's kind of complicated because we've been taught to see immunology one way, but he basically— flipped it on its head. And so when you get this immune tolerance from these bio weapons, you get very low level. If there's any inflammation at all. I mean, I would argue that probably isn't, but then you also, you don't make very many antibodies. So you're going to show up negative on these tests. That's why so many people with Lyme disease and also other chronic diseases show up, you know, that they're told, Oh, you don't have Lyme disease is negative. And, uh, I mean, this science proves exactly how that works. The problem is it also proves if they were to acknowledge if they were to acknowledge immune tolerance, it would flip the vaccine industry on its head. And that's that's what I see is I don't think I think that's the reason they won't acknowledge it. We would have understood chronic disease back in 1960. Instead, they gave the Nobel Prize for immune tolerance to these two guys who didn't even work together and weren't nominated together by anyone and made it about organ transplant recipients because the same thing can happen. And it's probably from infectious material in those organs. But— Let me ask you this because I have a question on this, and I'm going to tell you my personal belief on this, and it's centered around the Lone Star tick. I look at all of these elites that just disgust me, people like Bill Gates, who claim because of climate change we've got to eat a whole lot less meat. And then there were two scientists who actually released a report saying it was the moral obligation to make people allergic to beef. And now we have these Lone Star ticks that are spreading across the country. And if you get bit by one of these, you end up being allergic to beef. To me, that's a lot of evidence to suggest that this is a biological weapon. What say you? Yeah, as far as that one, I didn't come across that in those older times. But I'm sure— and there was actually— I did see a report. I don't know. I didn't get to look into it deeply, but they were saying that vaccinations were fueling the alpha-gal syndrome as well. But yeah, I mean, these people are insane. Like Bill Gates, for example. His advisor was working with Jeffrey Epstein. And that advisor was actually a specialist in immune tolerance. And I found a paper in 2012. It was called Disease Tolerance as a Defense Strategy. It was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Disease tolerance is just immune tolerance. It's just a different wording. And, you know, this is crazy that they would. Look at this. So here's what I didn't tell you. Immune tolerance, when you induce this immune tolerance, what you find is you get this triple effect, what I call the dark triad of immune tolerance. Chronic disease, neuropsychiatric and neurological disorders, and also cancer. Eric Traub, this is how he found it out. He injected a mouse with foreign antigen. and he was trying to reactivate a dormant virus inside the mice, and he did. It spread to all the other mice in the colony. Then it became his life work. He induced this condition. All the infected females would then give birth to infected progeny, and they wouldn't have any antibodies. They wouldn't have any inflammation. They looked normal, but. They could get all these other mice sick And they they would look normal only like halfway through their life would start coming down with these wasting diseases, prion diseases, slow prion diseases. OK, that's like so Alzheimer's disease is like a slow kind of prion disease. Right. So there's deer all over this country that are suffering through this right now. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I mean, and I would say like Lyme disease and all these things, the immune tolerance is like a. Chronic wasting disease and all, and all true. It's like, and so they, they studied this phenomenon and they even had like conferences in 1972, immunological tolerance to microbial antigen. So they knew that it was caused by antigen and what, Our vaccines fall of antigen. That's the main ingredient. They want to get your body. To, you know, put some antibodies forth and it's to this antigen. Well, that's why I say like even if they took all of those nasty toxic metals out of the vaccines, they still have this problem because it's those it's the main ingredients. It's actually much more insidious to the technology itself. Um but they were they were looking at it like well if we take the immune system out that's a we can call it immunity right if we take the immune system out that's the idea behind using it as a defense strategy so you can be infected you just don't respond to it but instead it invades your brain all your organs and everything kind of like the covid vaccine with the spike protein yeah um And that, that vaccine has been shown to cause immune tolerance and they were trying to do that, but they lied to the people, you know, and I was telling Loftus over email, even before the thing was released, they said, it's not going to work. Um, it's going to be very toxic. It's going to cause a lot of destruction. Um, and it's going to induce immune tolerance. And, uh, Sure enough, that's what I was seeing in the hospitals. I remember seeing an article, the hospitals are filling up with sick people, but many don't have COVID. It's because of these vaccine injuries. It's crazy. But back to Bill Gates, yeah, he was funding that paper. And so he's been very involved in this. And I think he's one of those enemies that have taken over America. Yeah, I would completely agree with that assessment. I tell people all the time, look, it doesn't matter, the vaccine. Do not take it. I don't care. The flu shot. No, you're right. Absolutely. Yeah, MMR. It does not matter. Do not take it. So you are much more of an expert on this subject than I am. Would you agree with that? Do not take any vaccine? Absolutely. Wholeheartedly. I mean— I mean, even the fact that they don't check it properly for contaminants, like there's so many, they have a massive problem with mycoplasma contamination of vaccines, right? There are so many reasons. And just knowing what I know of Eric Chubb's immunology, and that's what it's doing, is so this stuff accumulates as well. Even from vaccines your mother took, like, so a lot of stuff, All of this burden tends to start. It's just. And that's what Eric Chott was doing with his mice. He was degenerating the bloodline. He was turning us into degenerates, basically. Because what he noticed was this LCM virus that he reactivated would pass down generations, and as it would pass down, cancer would go way up, neurological and wasting diseases would go way up, and also you get a mental illness component with that because when your brain's affected. People lose their minds. People have all these mental problems, these neurological problems. And I just did a Substack article the other day about the autism link. I showed that's definitely there. I think Andrew Wakefield was for the most part right, but he was. Focused only on MMR, and it's all of them that do it. Yeah, I agree. Once again, every single one of these is suspect. I got to point out here as well that then comes in that horrible partnership literally designed in hell with big pharma. So you make the population completely sick, dependent on pharmaceuticals. They're making money hand over fist. And when we come back from the hard break, we got about two minutes. So we're not in a rush here. But when we come back from the hard break, I want to talk about why they want a sickly and mentally handicapped population. But talk about that, that that mixture of big pharma and the vaccine industry, all of this, it's all connected. Right. And I, and I, that's what I saw was like the vaccine industry in bed with big pharma. And a lot of these from the intelligence angles, you can see that a lot of these people are seriously shady, like coming from places, you know, out some, a lot of them like Constantine Chumakov, for example, and, I don't make any claims about him, but I'm saying someone with this kind of background should not be in a position like that. Yeah, I would think putting a communist agent, in my opinion here, up in the high levels of the FDA would not be a very good idea. Maybe that's just me. It's a huge red flag. It's almost like they are just basically– blatantly doing it in our face to laugh at us or something, you know? And I think Anthony Fauci, the same goes for him. He's probably some kind of while he's also while he's definitely greedy, but I think he could also be working for foreign powers and such. Absolutely. I would completely agree. We're coming up on that hard break. I want to, I want to plug the website, the sleeper agent.com. All right. Chris is going to bring that up for the audience here. Guys, I'm not kidding when I think this may be one of the most important books that you could possibly read. I'm going to highly recommend this. I haven't read it yet, but I can't wait to get my hands on this book. So go check out the sleeperagent.com. Order this book. You're going to have the truth revealed to you about this subject. Hey, we're going to come back right after this hard break. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State. Are you tired of your device spying on you? Ladies and gentlemen, we live in 1984. Your phones, your tablets, your smart televisions, they all are spying on you. And this is why I heavily endorse mark37. com. This is everything you need for your digital privacy. Phones, tablets, laptops, all of them are ghost protocoled. So that means that you are in charge of your own data. Just go to churchandstate.media, scroll over to shop and hit mark37. com for all of your privacy needs. 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Once again, conversations like this one, I guarantee you, a lot of that mainstream media or even the new conservative media or influencers, they're not bringing guests on like this. to talk about don't get vaccinated, all right? You're hearing it on Church and State, so please hit the donate button for us. All right, with that, let's go back to our guest, A.W. Finnegan, author of The Sleeper Agent, and we're talking about the history of biological weapons, how this has been released intentionally onto Americans really throughout the world, but we're specifically targeting America right now. I guess, bad pun on that one. Anyway, I wanted to ask our guest why. Now, personally, I believe... that when it comes to this situation, a sickly population is one that's easy to control. I think that's their motivation for why they're doing that to us. Obviously, they have no morals, no scruples about them, but I think they want to make us intentionally sick so that they can control us. Adam, what say you? Yeah, I would agree with that. Definitely. And I also think, yeah, they want us so sick that we can't put as much time into all this researching and everything and keeping track. Of what they're doing. They want us— and that's. A problem that, you know, a lot of— that' s a challenge that even I face. Like, some days I'm so sick I don't want to do anything. And it's like— it was a slow kill, definitely. It was a slow and painful kill, more or less. And I feel— I feel so bad for a lot of these people that ended up sticking themselves with that new jab, that COVID jab. Well, they can use them, right? They can use them during the prime of their life. They can use them, chain them to their desk, get the work required done. And then when they get to be that age where they might need some healthcare, well, then they're going to die off a whole lot quicker. I mean— from a really dark and demented viewpoint, they're being very successful. You almost have to tip your hat to them. There was also this guy who was doing a lot of work about, he was saying that there was a covert depopulation. Agenda going on. He wrote a lot of papers about it. His name was Kevin Galilei, I think it was. He wrote a paper called The Subversion, I think it was. Subversion of Public Health. Let me see what it is. The Subversion of Medicine in Public Health by Internal Security Prerogatives. And it's a very well-written paper, but in that paper, and it's on ResearchGate. That's where I found it. He was talking, he was saying that I was, you know, high. Up in the system, and they have a depopulation agenda that they're actively running. He says that their aims were good, but their means were terrible. Like, just totally amoral, diabolically, you could say. Absolutely. It's like as diabolical as you can get. And, you know, Jonas, all you got to do— The way I. Verified that was go read Jonas Salk's book, Survival of the Wisest. Look how he talks in that book. This is the guy that designed the inactive polio vaccine, the inactivated polio vaccine. He's writing a book about how the population is too big. I don't know if you've read that, but I have a copy of it here, and he's talking, and I actually quoted it. At the end of my book, I quoted from it because it was so horrifying because He's basically saying that scientific advancements that keep life going for people need to be stopped because of overpopulation. I could even tell you the quote. It says, a major threat to the species is attributed to the increasing size of the human population, which in turn is ascribed to successes in science and technology. This explanation has evoked an attack upon science and the exploitation of its technology to the development of which are attributed many adverse effects upon the human species and upon other forms of life. Polluters who befoul the planet affect the quality of life. And are regarded as. A threat to the present and future equilibrium of the species and of the planet. Those who consider themselves on the side of nature, and therefore of the human species, see others in opposition to both nature and man. Hence, we are to be concerned not only with man's relationship to nature, but man's relationship to himself. Saying if we love the planet and our people, we need to start killing them off. And this is across all facets. Like, you can see clearly an agenda here to depopulate us. I mean, the rise of birth control, the transgenderism, right, mutilating people so they'll never be able to have kids, the vaccines, it's going on there. Yeah, and I think, yeah, I think that the hormones are being sabotaged somehow, and that's why they feel like women. And that's my theory anyway. I mean, it's, I think it's... Probably, definitely vaccine-related. But also all of. The other stuff, too, that goes in. But the vaccines can definitely disrupt your hormones. Absolutely. I had a guest on here. We were talking about the vaccines. And the original one, actually, it had fetal tissue in it. But they chopped it all up because they were afraid that it would attach to the human experiment, right? That it would attach to their DNA. Right. And the first one was a baby girl. And so, yeah, if you're getting an injection into your body with fragmented DNA and it's attaching to your DNA and you're a man and you're taking on a woman's DNA, yeah, that could make you feel like a girl. Yeah. That's an interesting take on it, too. I never thought of that. But, I mean, absolutely, there's so many problems with them. It's just I was injured by a. B vaccine in eighth grade. I didn't know it until I was researching for my book many years later, because I had, like, all of these neurological problems, these anxiety disorders. I would just get, like, adrenaline rushes and stuff for no reason, and it just— I had so many problems. I never knew what was wrong with me. They diagnosed me with ADD after that, put me on all these drugs. It was crazy, and it sent my life into a really dark path for a while. I was able to get free of that when I was about 30. But I was researching for my book, and I find this Hep B vaccine congressional hearing. that was saying, hepatitis B vaccine, is it hurting or helping public health? All these parents were coming, talking about what the hepatitis B vaccine did to their kids. And a lot of the stuff, it just, I knew at that point, I knew that. That's what it was that basically sent my life down the hill. Because I got it because I went to a vacation in Costa Rica And they told my parents, oh, you should get the Hep B. You know, they were pushing it down people's throats. Oh, yeah, it's always the same story. Even things like tetanus. People think they need a tetanus shot after they've already got a scratch. If it's already in you, what is generating some antibodies going to do? You could take antibiotics instead, and you wouldn't have that. That's a three-way vaccine, too. I think that's the DTaP. Is actually I believe what the tetanus shot is But a lot of people get it Because they hear the word tetanus shot And they don't realize it's a vaccine Exactly. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this, Adam, because this has obviously been going on a long time. I mean, you brought up the oral polio vaccine, and they claim that they were able to have this massive success, but in reality, it was the clean water. Don't thank the vaccine, thank a plumber for the decline in polio. But I think the COVID vaccine and what we went through actually had a lot of silver linings. I talk about this on the show a lot. And the biggest silver lining that I've seen is a massive wake up from the general public. And where I was once called a conspiracy theorist, I'm sure you have been as well. Now there are a lot more people on our side that are saying, I'm not doing this again. I'm not taking another vaccine. Do you see this as perhaps the COVID vaccine was a bridge too far? Yeah. And then, I mean, they've also kind of Really sent in a lot of bad information, too, is like I'm being attacked because I talk about. Viruses in my book. People think there's no viruses anymore. But basically what my if you like the stuff about Eric Chabot, immune tolerance and all the stuff I knew explained all of those inconsistencies. Viruses are basically just biochemicals. And there was a really nice paper by this guy who put poliovirus together just using nucleotide sequences assembled like a chemical. Even germs, at the basic level, they are biochemicals. And so the no-virus group is saying, you know, it's all chemicals and it's all chemicals. There are no bioweapons. There are no germs and stuff like that. And so because this is basically something that happened overnight during COVID, it's just everybody. Started saying that. I'm glad that I can agree with them that the vaccines are bad. It's just a shame because it was like all these people now put the book down when they hear the word virus. And it's just like, I think it's wrong. I mean, I think. They're definitely, uh, established and do all of the research, but it's because people don't know about this immune tolerance thing that makes it look sensible to people. If I had no idea and I saw that information, I would say, yeah, they have a point. But the thing is, I was already knee deep into this for years and I saw through all of the cracks and I'm like, no, no. Like chemicals, for example. Chemicals don't act the same way in everybody. Like someone can have a good reaction to it. Another person can go into anaphylactic shock over it. So there's no uniformity because everybody is unique. Every body is a unique system. You're not going to have the same reaction. You're not even going to, you know, like. The argument was that the diseases are— it doesn't cause the same exact disease in every person. But the problem is it's genetic. It's—everybody's made differently. Everybody's made unique. Some people get a fatal reaction. Some people get the immune tolerance reaction. And it's very— there' s all. Sorts of— there' s a lot of stuff converging into this that determines the outcome. And so they will not— they will not all be uniform. But this is something that I've had to address multiple times throughout my After COVID, like it's just something that just keeps coming up. You've absolutely nailed that. Once again, you know, I'm familiar with that crowd that doesn't believe in viruses or germs and whatnot. I believe that our government intentionally releases disinformation and they've got some talking heads that are that are on the dole that will will discuss this stuff. It's just like with with conspiracy theories. You start going into that. Right. And that shoot, the CIA invented the term conspiracy theorist. But you get these people that are talking about like birds aren't real, for example, or. Australia doesn't exist. These are so wild out there, but they intentionally put them out there so that anybody who's questioning the collapse of the World Trade Center or vaccines, that they look ridiculous. They can throw them in that same camp of the birds aren't real people. Yeah, and I mean, even stuff like Flat Earth, it's like, with all the problems we have on this planet, who. Cares what the shape of the Earth is? Who cares about that? Nobody cares. We've got all this other stuff going on that's really affecting us, you know? Yeah, I would agree with that. I've said before on this show, like, If the world's flat, you know, it's not going to wreck my world. But you're right. There's so many more important things that we could be working on. And this is one of those. Like we've got to get public health. What a misnomer. These people are evil Nazi scientists that are experimenting on humanity. Yeah, it's become a way of life for the establishment. And yeah, it's like when people become awake, that's one thing that happens is that They have these two polarized sides. They say, well, yeah, everybody knows mainstream media lies now. And so if people wake up, they're just waking up. They're like mainstream media liars. And then they go to this side, the alternative media, and they think that anything that's not mainstream media. Is basically true. And it's like they don't realize that you have to. You have to be a researcher. You see all these books behind me. It's because I read a lot. I have to process information. I have to look into everything in order to get to know what's really going on because of all the disinformation that's purposely thrown in. I always appreciate it when I have a guest with a big library behind them. So yeah, definitely. I encourage people to read all the time. Yeah. It's it's very good for you and your brain keeping it working because you know most people can't even read a book these. Days i try to stay i try to stay up. With it and i try to read every night but sometimes i fall off but uh i go back to it i always return to it it's something that keeps your brain sharp you know like watching tv and scrolling. Is scrolling's the worst yeah they. Want that i i mean i've been guilty of it too i've done it and i'll catch myself like what the am I doing? You know? Yep. No, I'm with you. Um, we're, we're actually, we've run out of time. Uh, so I want to bring up your website again. Um, I, I can't tell you how much I've appreciated this conversation though. It is so good. I will definitely have to have you back to talk more about this, but the sleeper agent.com, uh, I'm going to turn it over to you, Adam, tell people, uh, what, what they can find on this website, why they should go to it and why they should order your book. Yeah. So, You see, you can see the video section. we'll bring you to my Rumble and YouTube channel and also those social media icons. And also it's not up there, but Substack is where I continuously release new information. Like I did an article on autism vaccine link on Substack. And the handle for Substack is at A.W. Finnegan, F-I-N-N-E-G-A-N. And that handle is the same for all of them, at X, Instagram, You name it. Okay. And yeah, I'm going to tell the audience once again, buy this book. Get on here. I'm assuming you can order it on the website, probably Amazon as well. Is that correct? Yeah. Tryday.com, Amazon. Yeah. There's the book. I designed the cover. It's fantastic. Like I said, I cannot wait to get my hands on this. I'm going to pour through it. I read every night, so I can't wait to get this book in my hands. But it is. Oh, and there we go. Chris found your sub stack as well. Right. So there you go. You can check that out. Also, if you like to read online, I would recommend it. But Adam, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on Church and State. I had a great time talking. Thank you. Yeah. And I'm going to pray certainly that healing occurs for you. I know you're going through a lot with the Lyme disease and the the immune tolerance issue. So I'll definitely keep you in my prayers there, but thank you so much for not just sitting back and just, you know, like, well, I got this now, you know, like I just wait to die now. Nope. You did something with it. You said, I'm going to go after these people. I'm going to expose them. And I so appreciate your work. Thank you. It was a great time. I loved coming on here. I'd come back anytime you want to have me. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute, post-production and Sarah goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you for joining us on church estate. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. 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