Church & State -Was Kurt Cobain Murdered with Richard Syrett

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Even something like ten dollars a month can help us get to that point. Lastly, if you want to get ahold of us Church and State seventeen seventy six at Proton dot me with that, let's go. I am so excited about this guest. I've been a little giddy since we first booked him, but I'm so pleased to bring in Richard SARAHT He's the host and popular of critically acclaimed podcast's Strange Planet. He's built a reputation as an accomplished teller of spellbinding tales and a keen interview in the area of the unexplained. Regular guest host on Coast to Coast, which is amazing and most listened to late night radio program in the world. Richard, is a pleasure to have you on the show, Caleb. Great to be here. Thank you. Absolutely. So let's just get into this. I was telling you off air as a guy that grew up in the eighties and nineties, I was a massive Nirvana fan. I remember distinctly when it came out, the news came out that he had committed suicide, and how for my generation in particular, like this was a defining moment for us, Like this was, you know, to the old generations, you know Janis Joplin and Jimmy Hendrix when they died. And so there's evidence though that suggests that maybe he wasn't actually suicidal. Oh that's right, Caleb, and thank you. And I should point out that's one of the chapters in my brand new book called Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, which is based on a podcast that I did many years ago, and there's a section on I call the section Killer Chords. There's a chapter on Brian Jones, who died in nineteen sixty nine at the age of twenty seven, Kurt Cobain, as you mentioned, Elvis Presley, and there's one other, of course, I'm not going to remember je No, Jim didn't make it into the book this time, maybe volume two. Brian Jones, Jimmy Hendrix, sorry, Jimmy Hendrix, Yes, Elvis, and Kurt Cobain. So it's actually quite timely that we're talking about this because he died in nineteen ninety four, discovered in April the eighth. Supposedly he died April the fifth, but there's some dispute as to whether that date is actually correct, which is surprising. You know, I watch a lot of police procedural TV, murder mysteries and so forth, and the medical examiners in the corners are usually pretty precise within you know, a half an hour an hour. We're led to believe that, again, this is according to the medical examiner. There's kind of a wide range of about twenty four hours either way. When Cobain actually died. Was it April the fourth, Was it April the fifth, or was it even in April the sixth, So we can start there with the whole timeline, which is kind of jumbled up. But it's timely that we're talking about it because a couple of months ago in the Daily Mail and maybe some other media reported on it as well. A group of. Forensic researchers, independent forensic researchers are petitioned King in Washington where Seattle is to open up the investigation because well, I don't know that there was anything new in their research, at least that I could see, and may be missing something. But most of the things that I bring up in the chapter on Kirk Cobain's death, which is called the Needle, the barrel, and the lies, most of the forensic evidence that they're forwarding to king County is in the chapter. King's County has refused to reopen it. They say, no, the case will remain closed until you bring something new. Well, it's interesting. Let's talk about the. Actual murders or the death scene, I should say the death scene. Kirk Cobain is discovered by an electrician on electrician on April the eighth, in a greenhouse converted greenhouse above his garage, and I believe the electrician was there to wire the house for surveillance cameras. Kirk Cobain was very concerned about security. He had just purchased a gun, well actually he had a friend purchase a shotgun, ostensibly for security reasons. And the electrician finds Kurt Cobain with a shotgun sort of across his body, and it appears that he has taken his own life. There's a there's a note that is stabbed with a red pen into the soil in a potted plant nearby. We'll come back to the note in a moment, but what we learn is that Kirk Cobain had three times the lethal amount the lethal dose of heroin or morphine as it was metabolized in the body. Is morphine three times a lethal level in his body. And you could say, well, he was a heroin addict, and that's even disputed. He could he had a higher tolerance. Well, even people with very high tolerance wouldn't remain conscious very long. So we're led to believe that after injecting himself with heroin, that he was then able to neatly and carefully place the needles, the hypodermic needles, put the cap back on, place them in his little drug paraphernalia kit, tuck it all away nice and neatly and set it aside, and then managed to maneuver this shotgun. Now, I'm not a hunter, but I have held a shotgun in my hand, and it's a pretty cumbersome weapon. Not only did he have the shotgun barrel, but he also had I believe you can tell me if this is correct, Caleb. Is it called a flash suppressor? Is that the name of the proper name something you attached to the end of the barrel. Yeah, yeah, definitely, you're going to install a flash suppressor. So he had that on the shotgun as well. That's right, at which ads I understand about another six inches even without the flash suppressor and trying to turn the barrel of a shotgun around, he had to be graphic here placed the barrel in his mouth and then maneuver his hand. His arms would have to be I mean. He must have had arms like Abraham Lincoln in order to pull the trigger. But then add another six inches because of the flash suppressor. It just doesn't add up. And then we have the lack the total lack of blood splatter or brain splatter or the exit wound. Really, I mean you could imagine the damage. I believe they call it. An inoral injury when you put the gun into the barrel, into your mouth and fire. I mean, the exit wound would just be off, you know, the top of the head would just be catastrophic. Doesn't appear to be so in this case, no usable or visible detectable I should say, fingerprints on the shot gun, no blood splatter again on his hands, on his body. So it just questions, endless questions. You tell me, you know, jump in any time. But we Yeah, I mean there's definitely some questions here. Yeah, let's back up a little bit and let's talk about the heroin use, because for a long time it was just widely accepted Kirk Olebain was a heroin addict. He had a lot of physical pain, he was dealing with it. There we also had I think, if memory serves me correctly, I'm reaching back here. I think there had been an overdose in Italy, if I remember correctly, like a few months prior to the suicide. But you're saying that there might be some evidence that maybe this wasn't the case. The I cover the the situation in Italy and the podcast, and I don't remember whether that part made an end of the book, but there's some question as to whether there was an act sual overdose in Italy. There was another incident in Seattle when Courtney called the police and claimed that Kurt had locked himself into his in his bathroom and was suicidal. And when the police arrived, he assured them he was just trying to get away from Courtney. They were having one of their many arguments. He was just trying to get away from her, and he insisted he was not suicidal. And it is true that there is there is a history. It was a history of mental illness in Kurt's family. I believe there was an uncle or a great uncle and also a grandparent. Both had one of. Them stabbed himself in the stomach repeatedly in front of his family. I think he actually survived. The other relative, whether it was the great uncle or the grandfather, took his own life. So you know, that sort of feeds into this narrative, but that doesn't necessarily prove definitively that Kurt took his life. But getting back to heroin. It's true Kurt Cobain had I believe scoliosis, and he had some intense stomach pain as a result of a scoliosis that just just haunted him for years and years and years. He could never get a proper diagnosis, he could never get a proper treatment, and so he did manage or try to manage the pain. I suppose self medicate with heroin, And in interviews he would kind of joke. He had kind of a sarcastic sense of humor, and people would reporters would say, well, how much heroin are you guys doing, and he would sort of, you know, go over the top and say, oh, you wouldn't believe how much heroin we take. We have, you know, we fill up turkey basters with it. And they took him literally. He was just being his usual sardonic, sarcastic self. But the point is, once he got a proper diagnosis for his stomach ailment and was taking the proper medication, he I think he told a reporter with the La times, I'm finished with it, you know, I really don't. I don't. I don't need it anymore. Now, did he have some relapses perhaps he did. There was an intervention at the Cobaine home that I believe Courtney initiated in some members of Nirvana, whether it was there, Dave Grohl was not there. He didn't agree with the need for this intervention, and Cobaine reluctantly agreed to check into a rehab clinic and Marina del Rey, California, he promptly checked himself out. We'll come back around to that as well. But this idea that he was this hopeless drug addict, you know, that's a common theme we see again and again in rock history when musicians, rock stars are found dead. This rush to judgment, Oh, just another rock star who odeed. We see it way back in nineteen sixty six with Bobby Fuller of the Bobby Fuller Five. It was immediately dismissed. I mean, this was the guy that was found half burned in the back of a car and they ruled at an over dose suicide. It just boggles the mind. And again in this case, I think with Kirk Cobain, just a rush to judgment. I would agree. And you know something that I picked up on Kirk Cobain just saying that he was trying to get away from Courtney Love. I think I think it was The Rolling Stone that actually did an article about the three most hated women in rock and roll history, and I think Courtney Love was number two, only beaten out by Yoko Ono. So when a lot of the people that have enjoyed rock music, Courtney Love is not really appreciated all that much. That's what I understand. Now. I should point out, you know, if people read the chapter, there's some serious allegations made. These are unproven, they've not been tried in court. She has denied everything. So let's just put that out there and I'll save you your broadcast license and I'll see it myself a rather hefty civil suit. But there is some pretty damning, let's say, allegations in the chapter in Tales of Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone. And if you want to get back to the letter, this was the other piece of evidence that was sort of used to confirm the narrative that he took his own life. There was what was reported as a suicide note again, a red pen stabbed through the letter into a flower pod nearby Kurt's body. The first part, the first chunk of this letter doesn't appear to be so much as a suicide note, as kind of a love letter to his fans, and maybe kind of a so long, I'm stepping back. He was seriously considered considering quitting Nirvana and stepping back from the music industry. Kurt Cobain had arrived at a point in his career where he was just kind of sick and tired of the way the band was being marketed and branded. He hated being branded as the voice of a generation. He absolutely detested that. In fact, I think he almost came to resent some of the people that were showing up or maybe a lot of the people that were showing up at his concerts. He didn't identify with them. That's not why he got into the business. He didn't want to necessarily be a rock star. Obviously a very sensitive, gifted artist, so he was thinking of stepping back. So the first part of that letter seems to be kind of a you know, a so long to his fans. Now, I suppose you could read into that and say, oh, he was saying goodbye to everyone forever. Well, the last part of this letter, which is where it gets interesting. A number of forensic handwriting and analysts have looked at this and they say, the last chunk that seems to get tacked on the handwriting does not match the first chunk. Now, in that last chunk, which really kind of ties everything together and seems to hammer home this this notion that he was going to take his own life. In the last part, he talks about Francis being his daughter who he just he was just head over heels in love with his daughter. He would do anything for his daughter. He loved her dealer dearly. I think maybe that was part of the reason he wanted to step back from fame, is to spend more time with his with his daughter. And also the last part mentions Courtney, and that's where he seems to be talking about or whoever wrote that last part seems to be talking about, you know, he couldn't go on. It was time to time to check out literally again. Handwriting analysts have looked at that, these two very different cursive styles. And then. What gets what gets really damning in all of this his attorney and Courtney's attorney either family lawyer if you will, Rosemary Carrol and Tom Grant, who was a private investigator that Courtney had hired right about the time he disappeared, he gets checked into, he checks himself into a rehab clinic and Marina del Rey and as I say, he promptly checks himself out. I think he basically signed the ledger and then and then got out of there. And then between that day, which I think was April first or March thirty first, it's in the book, there's a big gap of time that he's kind of unaccounted for. He was missing. And that's where Courtney Love, who had also conveniently checked herself into a rehab clinic in the Los Angeles area, she hires this investigator, Tom Grant, and he and Rosemary Carol got to sort of swapping notes a little bit later after Kurt's death, and they between the two of them, they realized that they had one of them had found what looked like practice sheets. In it was either a rucksack or a handbag belonging to Courtney, as if she were allegedly practicing Kurts handwriting. Wow, so that's pretty damning. That is incredibly damning. Why would you be practicing handwriting a technique to appear that you are writing for somebody else? And as you said in this with the with the letter that anybody who liked Nirvana is familiar with, because Courtney Love read it out loud to all of the fans as we were mourning this death. Why would you? Why would you mimic that? Why would you set that up? And Tom Grant, you and I were talking about this off air. He ended up writing a book saying that he believed the kirk Obaan was murdered. Yes, that's right. I should mention, speaking of authors, to authors in particular that I leaned on very heavily both on the the podcast episode and the chapter in the book Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, Max Wallace, who wrote a very important book, and he was a terrific source for this chapter. And also, oh now, Rich Lee was the other Rich Lee. I don't know if you remember rich growing up near Seattle, But just shortly after Kirk Cobain's death, Rich Lee started a TV show. It was a public access a cable TV show in Seattle where he just covered nothing but the Kirk Cobain case show after show for like years. And he also, I think you know, petitioned the court to get more information on Kirk Cobain, whether it was the toxic toxology reports or different forensic reports and so forth, but he was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist, even though he's been in a sort of an independent investigative researcher journal in Seattle for decades. So I just wanted to give a shout out to rich Lee and Max Wallace for their work in this investigation. The other interesting thing is Kurt was, according to Rosemary ca Carroll, planning on changing his will. In fact, he had Rosemary changed the will, but he hadn't signed it yet, and that will would have effectively directed all of his money to Francis Bean, not to Courtney. So potential motive. Allegedly allegedly, for sure, yes, And you know that does lead to the question, right is who would have benefited from this? I think we've we've already been kind of dancing around about it a little bit here, but once again, everything allegedly. We don't want to get in trouble here. We don't want to and honestly, I don't want to accuse somebody who could potentially be innocent, and neither does my guest here. But well, going back to that, who could have benefited from his death? Well, outside of Courtney, I'm kind of at a loss. I'm at a loss to understand who else might have benefited. He was concerned about his security, as I mentioned, he was getting the house wired with security, surveillance cameras. He just purchased a weapon for security. So maybe there was someone or some group that he was that he was worried about. I don't know. I kind of focused the investigation and and the research on Courtney Love and her involvement in this. And I also should point out it was a number of documentaries that were made following Kurt's death, and one in particular, I can't remember which documentary this is in, but there was a a kind of a local musician. I don't know whether you would call him a punk rock that's just kind of you know, I'm a classic rock guy. So everything after, like you know, Peter Frampton comes alive, is I've just kind of I kind of checked out of the music scene. But this local musician, his name was El Ducce, not his real name, that was his stage name, L Duce, and he was interviewed and on camera he says that Courtney Love approached him and asked him to kill Kurt Cobain. I believe she even or he even claims, she said, you know, shoot him with a shotgun. Don't quote me on that last part, but she certainly, or he claimed she certainly asked him. According to him, he said are you serious? And he says that she said, quote unquote, I'm as serious as a heart attack. And a dollar amount was offered, and of course he refused. Several days later, this individual, l Ducea, was found dead on a railroad track, had been hit by a train. So there's just puts the bowl right on it, doesn't it right there? Yeah, take care of any potential witnesses. What do you make of this, this so called twenty seven club, because you know, many people have pointed out that the most dangerous age for anybody involved in rock and roll is the age of twenty seven. Well, I want to approach it a couple of ways. First of all, you know, let's look at the sort of the history it really actually, if you want to go back far enough, you could say Robert Johnson, who died in in Mississippi, great Delta bluesman. Some some call Robert Johnson the godfather of rock, even though he was playing the blues but his you know, the songs about the Crossroads and Hellhounds on My Trail really influenced the great bluesman of modern era, fro Muddy Waters, Eric Clapton, ten years after you know you name it, particularly Clapton, B. B. King. Robert Johnson was twenty seven when he died, and there's a chapter in the book Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone about Robert Johnson and his supposed deal at the Crossroads with the Devil. It's in a section called Cursed Chords and I look at Omens and curses. So Robert Johnson was the first, but that was in the nineteen thirties, no one sort of paid attention. And then it all begins really in earnest in nineteen sixty nine, with the death of Brian Jones in July of sixty nine, aged twenty seven. And then we had Janis Joplin aged twenty seven, Jimmy Hendrix aged twenty seven, both in nineteen seventy, then a year later in nineteen seventy one, Jim Morrison, so we have like four in a row. That's when it really started to take off. The age twenty seven, what is this thing what's going on here? Then it was sort of forgotten about until Kurt Cobain in nineteen ninety four, aged twenty seven, and then again in the two thousands, and the date escapes me, but it was Amy Winehouse also dying at the age of twenty seven. So I mean, I think there's a couple of explanations. One is very prosaic, and it makes a lot of sense. You know, artists are kind of at their their creative peak at around that age twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, assuming that they break into the business in their early twenties. By the time they're twenty seven, one can only imagine the pressure that's placed upon them to perform, to tour relentlessly, to publish, you know, new songs, you know, record sales, and so forth. The fans fame closing in on them, and so some of the many of them perhaps seek some sort of an escape. It might be, you know, in a bottle of gin or vodka or. Heroin. Dare I say so, you've got this kind of deadly cocktail. I think that that seems to will ass around that age of peak performance, in peak creativity at the age of twenty. Seven and it is a deadly cocktail. That's kind of the prosaic explanation, which might explain why there's an inordinate number of musicians who die at that age. And the list is much longer than I mentioned there. I mean there is jazz musicians and blues artists and others who have died at the age of twenty seven, not just the ones that I mentioned. The former keyboarder a keyboardist rather with a grateful dead pig pen. He was known as I can't remember his last name, mckennarn. He died at the age of twenty seven. Anyway, there is now I'm like you, Caleb, I'm a Christian. I believe in an unseen world. I believe in an angelic realm and in a demonic realm. I don't think you can entirely discount those kinds of influences in some of these artists' lives, particularly if you, you know, open yourself up, whether it's by dabbling in the occult, even if it's just for sort of branding and marketing purposes. You know a lot of artists would go along with this, not because they were Satanists, but because it kind of it bolstered this kind of bad boy image. I think that was the case, for example, with Ozzy Osbourne in Black Sabbath. I don't think he was a Satanist, but it was good marketing. They were seen as anti establishment. So you can open yourself up to certain things, I think, and that might explain it if you're more into the New Age thing, which I'm not. But there is something called Saturn's return if you're into astrology, and again as a Christian, I don't dabble in that, but I know a little bit about it. Saturn on your birth chart is in a specific location in the chart and coincidentally or not, about twenty seven years. It might be twenty six, that might be twenty eight, but in around that age, this Saturn returns to the exact same place on your birth chart. So some see that as kind of you know, Saturn is coming full circle. Saturn is seen as completion in astrology. And I don't necessarily put a lot of credence in that. Oh actually, and I'm gonna pause you right here, sir, and I apologize, but we hit that hard break. But we're gonna come back, ladies and gentlemen. We're gonna finish this conversation. It's absolutely fascinating. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State don Media, Lai, and gentlemen, if you're not sleeping on my pillow, do you even patriots? I gotta tell you, this is the most wonderful stuff from a man who's given it all for your freedoms. Whether it be the pillow, the sheets, or the slippers. I absolutely adore my pillow. My pillow has the greatest products around. I know when I want to shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers and yell at the neighbors. 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But you were talking about Saturn, which honestly the evil you know, Satanists, the ones that are actually practicing this, This is very significant for them. Elon Musk has staturned behind him all the time. You know, It's definitely something worth looking at. And also, as you return back to this, could it be something to do with the number as well. If we look at the life of Jesus starting his ministry at thirty dying at thirty three, you backtrack six years, six is a very significant number for a lot of these people. You end up on twenty seven. I don't discount any of that, you know, Caleb, First of all, don't apologize for doing some business. You know, you're talking to a total free enterpriser, free market capitalist here. So we we love our sponsors, absolutely love our sponsors. I don't discount anything. I stopped discounting anything during COVID. Actually, you know, all bets are off at that point. Anything is possible for the most part. Is it the numerology? Is it other? You know, cult influences? Is it again that more prosaic explanation. It may be a combination of all three. Sure, I appreciate, uh. You know, because we have to explore, we have to be willing to explore. That's something that your show does Coast to Coast is big on that. It's something I'm constantly pushing on this show. As Christians, we shouldn't be afraid of exploring the reasons behind some of these things, because ultimately we know Jesus Chris as Lord. We don't fear any of it, and so every discussion should be on the table. I want to turn this, you know. I know we've we've spent a lot of time on Kirk Cobain, but I'd love to just ask you what's on in your wheelhouse right now? Like, what do you exploring what's important to you? Well, I just recently on the podcast did a kind of I call it a standalone. Most of the time I'm interviewing guests like we're doing right now, but occasionally I'll just kind of hit record and talk on my own about whatever, you know, I'm interested in. And recently I did. A standalone on a project Blue Beam, which you know, for those of your listeners not aware, there's actually kind of a Canadian connection. There was a Canadian politician who I'm not sure if he served in parliament in Ottawa for or time or in one of the provinces, but he was with the Social Credit Party. His name was Surge man Asked, and in the eighties or nineties he believed that he had, you know, uncovered secret documents from NASA, NASA and so forth talking about or were planning on creating these essentially holographic images that they would project up into the sky and in order to convince the public that one of several things was going on. One there was it was the Second Coming. So in this case they would project, you know, an image of the Messiah in Jesus Christ into the sky or some other I suppose if you were in China or India, they might project the Buddha or the Twelfth the mom if you're a Muslim, you know, insert your Messiah here. The other option was they were going to project this holographic image of an alien invasion. And the whole point was essentially, as as it often is the case when we're talking about the elites or intelligence agencies and so forth, was to program people, to control people, to influence people. So this was Project Bluebeam. Now you know, this is in the eighties and the nineties, and at that time I remember when this was this theory was out there, and of course this is you know, before the age of the Internet, never mind you know artificial intelligence or even you know, social media or a lot of computer generated graphics. I mean, that was in its infancy. So the idea that they would be able to project a holographic image into the sky to dupe billions of people around the world just seemed ridiculous. Well, now we're seeing sort of convergence of all these different technologies, artificial intelligence, with the and these proposed massive data centers. Some of them, the one proposed in in Utah would be underground and the size of Manhattan Island. Uh and and would take up more electricity and power than than than the entire state uses currently. Uh and we have we have the ability to create holographic images. You know, if you've gone to one of these these concerts where you can actually see Elvis Presley, a holographic image of Elvis Presley walk out under the stage and and and sing a duet with whomever. Now we're seeing in Hollywood, they're they're resurrecting dead legends, legends, actors and putting them back on the screen. All of this abilities is out there. Now, we've all we've all seen AI images, you know, Michael Jackson, a sixty year old Michael Jackson on a bus in Argentina. We found him. No, it's not him. So all of this technology now is is available. Uh, And it's it's very interesting that that at the same time, this whole UFO disclosure, the subject is really getting ramped up now, you know, the President is talking about it, the Pentagon is talking about it. I talk I spent a lot of time talking about it. We're seeing all of these these images of of UFOs. Are they real? Are they ai? So it's it's just becoming apparent to me that if Project Bluebeam is real, you know, the time to implement something like that might be pretty close. I would completely agree. I mean, from we've moved from governments around the world saying nothing to see here, it's weather balloons, there's no little gray men or green men or whatever, to where now they just opened the door. Yeah, aliens exist, We've had encounters with them. UFOs are out there, and Project Bluebeam explains a lot of this. But it'd be a means of control, is my observations of it. If they can get everybody to believe in a singular event and certainly pan spermia is part of this where science is teaching that we were seeded by an alien race. If they can get all of the people to agree that, hey, either this is a savior or an existential threat, then maybe we can come together and be controlled by the elites that you called. Them absolutely as something I failed to mention. And this technology has been around since the early seventies, and that's voice to skull technology. And I've spent a lot of time talking to people who believe they are victims of electronic harassment. They call themselves targeted individuals. Now, I think we use the term Havana syndrome. But the technology, I mean, if this technology was around in we're talking like fifty five almost sixty years ago, imagine what these individuals or institutions can do now with with you know, voices and projecting voices into people's minds. So not only will we see let's say, the Messiah projected up into the disguise, but we'll also hear him our in our heads, you know, and they'll be controlling the message, and they'll be saying something like, you know, humankind now is on the verge of a new age, and you know, listen, to me and follow me. Of course, we're not following Jesus Christ. We're following an AI projection that is tethered to globalists and elites and people who do not have our best intentions or or are are They don't mean well for us. Let let's put it in that way. I couldn't have said it better myself. And then we have you know, music, Hollywood, they're all using predictive programming to get us ready to this point. They're using uh so many different movies that Marvel movies, you know what they're they're getting us used to this idea that we can the next evolution will be a human uh machine merger. They're getting cyborgs all into our public eye. Uh. And even going back, you've got shows like Childhood's End, uh, you know showing that idea of we re seated and we're not we're not yet ready for the aliens to reveal themselves to us. Yeah, it's it's very very demonic, very wicked, but they're clearly putting humanity on a path. Uh. To this point, I agree, And I should also point out, you know, given the technology we have now, they don't even need to project images, you know, using some sort of holograph into the sky. I mean it's already here on our phones with social media, the project Bluebeam that Surge Monast envisioned forty five years ago. It may look entirely different by the. Time it arrives, I would agree. And even there's been a number of studies that have shown that people that spend so much time on social media that they'll actually take on that memory. If they're seeing something that's that's being shown on X or Instagram or whatever, they'll they'll insert that memory as if there was their own. And so, yeah, all it would take is a bunch of you know, social media stars pointing their cameras up and you know, showing an alien encounter or UFO, and suddenly everybody there's like this mass psychosis within the people that they believe that, yes, this is part they've seen this as well. Yeah, it's total perception shaping and reality shaping. And we are almost at that point now where we don't know whether to believe what we see or not. I mentioned that Michael Jackson video on social media and it looks very very real and it fooled a lot of people, and we're really only in its infancy. I mean, you know, wait another six months, wait another year, and see what they're capable of doing in terms of artificial intelligence. And we are quickly You know, one hundred years ago photographs were entered into courts as evidence or audio recordings, fifty years ago on video and film recordings. None of that means anything anymore. So we are rapidly coming to a point where we cannot say for sure, you know what it is we are seeing. And isn't that all part of the design, like all of these different deep fakes that we're seeing out there, and people who are scratching their heads, going, I don't know what to believe anymore. I personally think that's by design so that they can go after the people that are pursuing truth, the so called conspiracy theorists, a term invented by the CIA to dismiss everything that we're saying so that they can control the entire narrative one hundred percent. Calm, there's some wild stuff, So I know we're winding down here, but let me let me ask you one more question. And by the way, audience, if you've loved this guest, don't worry, I've already booked him a second time. So he's coming back to discuss a whole other topic. But what what do you see, Like, what are maybe three points that you're kind of looking at for the future that might come upon us. Wow? Three points? Well, I mentioned the AI and these data centers. This is really really ramping up very quickly. I mentioned the the proposal for an underground data center in Utah that's going to be the size of Manhattan. There's a Canadian who's on Shark Tank. Oh they call him mister Wonderful. Now I can't remember his name. I should. He's a fellow countryman. Very well, Kevin O'Leary, Thank you, he's involved in this. Imagine a data center underground the size of Manhattan and and you know, call up your city hall's planning department and find out anyone listening. I'm sure there's a data center coming very soon to a community near you. And these data centers, I mean, why do they need this kind of computing power? I would argue that it's for surveillance. And we're told, you know, by the politicians, well, we need to compete with China. We're in an AI arms race. Well, China is using AI to surveil their own people and to control their own people with social credit and face recognition technology. Why are we competing with that unless they want to do the same thing to us. So that, to me, is one of the most important issues you know, that we're facing today. And I hope, I hope that these data centers really dominate the news cycles, particularly as in your country you're gearing up for midterm elections and so forth. Yeah, I would agree. In fact, I just said on this show, and the best majority of the people on my show are going to be Christian conservatives, But I was actually applauding AOC and her opposition to these data centers, and maybe that gets me in trouble with some of my audience, but you know what, she's right about this, these data centers. I agree with your assessment. One percent is about surveillance. Because the globalists all talk about China is the model, that's the plan for the entire world. They want to be able to surveil everything that we're doing, sort of a nineteen eighty four model. Caleb Collier siding with AOC. I bet that was not many people's bingo kard no a. Little bit while, but hey, when you're right. You're right, and you know I'm a libertarian personally, so I don't care about political parties. I just want to pursue the truth. I want to pursue what is right, and I want a treasure and protect liberty. Richard has been an absolute fantastic show. I really appreciate. I'm already looking forward to the next one. Real quick, Strange Planet dot Ca. I want my audience to follow this. Tell us about your website. Well, I have a podcast and you can access the podcast. You can stream it right from the website, or you can subscribe from the website. Strange Planet dot Ca is the website. The podcast Richard Sarah Strange Planet drops three days a week Monday, Wednesday Friday. If you want to get a little deeper commercial free listening bonus episodes, there's a premium subscriber program. You can subscribe to my newsletter inter Sanctum, which is free comes out once a month. That's the website. The YouTube channel is hooked up to strange Planet dot Ca. There's also information on the website about my new book, Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, which is available at Amazon, Barnes. And Noble all right, well, I'm looking forward to reading this book. There's a lot of a lot more information in here that we haven't even discussed. We will discuss more on a episode that'll be coming up here. But once again, absolute pleasure having you on the show. Look forward to talking again. Thank you for all of your work. Pleasure is mine, Caleb. Great to meet you. Yeah, and if you'd hold on one more minute post production and saarahobyes, I'd appreciate it. But thank you again for joining Church and State. Thank you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. We cannot be afraid as Christians, as patriots, as conservatives or libertarians to approach so called conspiracy theories. We want the truth. 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