Matter of Facts: ATF Says No Sell Guns Or Else

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[00:00:17] I'm your host Phil Rabli and my co-host Andrew Bobo is on the other side of the

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[00:00:23] Welcome back to Matterfax Podcast.

[00:00:25] It's Friday night, I have nothing to drink and this is going to be a drinking

[00:00:29] episode because we're going to talk about my favorite three-liter agency at some

[00:00:33] point.

[00:00:35] Andrew, how do we arrive at this point where like I have this queued up in the

[00:00:39] banners and yet I don't have like a whiskey and coke or anything sitting

[00:00:42] here to help modulate my emotions?

[00:00:44] Why didn't you get one?

[00:00:47] Didn't think of it until literally I hit the button that said go live and

[00:00:50] then I was like, oh, critical oversight.

[00:00:53] You have a kid.

[00:00:55] Have her make you one.

[00:00:58] Where's the wife at?

[00:01:00] The wife is ruminating.

[00:01:03] We literally just ran back in the door 15 minutes ago from doing acts of kindness

[00:01:08] and charity for others.

[00:01:09] So shoot her a text and say whiskey, coke, please.

[00:01:15] I'll just soldier on without it.

[00:01:17] Also you have options to get one.

[00:01:19] So stop complaining.

[00:01:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that's what you're here for is telling me to

[00:01:23] shut up and get over it.

[00:01:25] So let's start with something fun before we start ranting before I start

[00:01:29] losing my crap about, you know, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and F-Ups.

[00:01:35] So I am admitting at this point that I'm like a self-admitted radio

[00:01:39] dork, like I'll happily wear the title.

[00:01:41] We had that episode with our listener, Scott, a few weeks ago now,

[00:01:48] I think where we did the the comms of sorcery episode.

[00:01:51] And for anybody that missed it, you should definitely go back

[00:01:53] and listen to or watch that.

[00:01:55] It was lots and lots of really good.

[00:01:58] Hey, Raggle Fraggle, thanks for joining us.

[00:02:01] It was lots of really good information.

[00:02:03] It was kind of centered mostly around GMRS, which I think is going to be

[00:02:06] my particular brand of radio dorkdom, just because, you know,

[00:02:11] like I've laid out before, I'm not going to convince my wife and daughter

[00:02:14] to jump through the hoops to get ham licenses.

[00:02:17] And quite frankly, the more I dig into GMRS, the more I find

[00:02:21] I just like the community.

[00:02:23] You know, so I think that's that's probably going to be the route I go.

[00:02:28] My my.

[00:02:32] My radio collection has grown from the FRS radios,

[00:02:36] the tool of Motorola T800s that we've been using for years to now

[00:02:40] for Beofane GM 15s, which I've been fairly happy with

[00:02:46] for anybody that happens to be crawling the interwebs looking for one.

[00:02:50] If you can't find it and you find a radio oddity GM 30,

[00:02:53] they are functionally exactly the same.

[00:02:55] They use the same programming software for good and sake.

[00:02:58] So like, you know, programming wise, as far as I'm certain,

[00:03:01] they're clones of each other.

[00:03:04] Probably come out the same factory, to be honest.

[00:03:06] But I haven't been unhappy with with the Beofanes.

[00:03:09] They mean, obviously, I haven't thrown one around

[00:03:12] enough yet to know how durable it is, but it definitely seems

[00:03:15] to be getting the job done more recently in that bottom picture.

[00:03:18] I picked up a radio oddity, a radio oddity DB 20G 20 watt mobile

[00:03:25] and squeeze that into the pocket in my truck right in front of the cup holders.

[00:03:31] And I haven't been unhappy with that so far.

[00:03:34] I've had a chance to use it a little bit, just kind of,

[00:03:37] you know, scooting around town.

[00:03:38] I've got to the point now where as soon as I get in the truck,

[00:03:40] I just, you know, twist the knob and turn it on.

[00:03:43] It's set to the nearest repeater, which is down in New Orleans.

[00:03:48] And the day I put it in to make sure it was working properly,

[00:03:52] before I went through the trouble of drilling holes and mounting it,

[00:03:55] I just hooked everything up real quick and I kerchunked the repeater

[00:03:59] and I got a good callback from it.

[00:04:01] So I knew it was working correctly and transmitting, receiving right.

[00:04:04] And I had it programmed right.

[00:04:06] And then that evening, after I got everything done,

[00:04:08] I went ahead and just, you know, grabbed the mic,

[00:04:10] flipped it back to the New Orleans repeater,

[00:04:11] keyed up and did a repeater check, got a good return from somebody

[00:04:16] who was talking to me from Florida, of all places.

[00:04:19] So for the listeners that are not aware,

[00:04:25] unlike with ham, where in ham radio it is permissible,

[00:04:29] according to the FCC, to link repeaters by radio frequency.

[00:04:33] You can't do that with GMRS.

[00:04:34] But what people have figured out in GMRS is that they actually hook these

[00:04:39] hook repeaters together using Internet nodes.

[00:04:42] So you can think about this like, Andrew, you've used like VoIP, right?

[00:04:45] Voice over IP, like an Internet based phone, basically.

[00:04:51] They basically hook that to the transmit receive side of a GMRS repeater.

[00:04:58] And then anything, any traffic that goes back and forth across

[00:05:01] that gets shot through the node.

[00:05:04] And all the repeaters that are all linked

[00:05:06] together through the Internet all crosstalk to each other.

[00:05:09] So what happened was I was talking to the New Orleans repeater

[00:05:13] and someone in Florida happened to be close to whatever repeater they have over there.

[00:05:18] I think he said Seminole, but I could have misheard that.

[00:05:22] But he was talking to his repeater in Florida.

[00:05:25] And those two repeaters are linked together through an Internet node.

[00:05:28] So it's you know, I don't know that that has

[00:05:32] I don't know that system has a ton of use for like for our community,

[00:05:37] for the preparedness community, because if there's a major power outage,

[00:05:40] then those repeaters are all going to go down.

[00:05:43] And unless they're running off a generator or solar setup, and most of them are not.

[00:05:48] And the Internet nodes are also going to be quickly compromised by the comm lines getting shut down.

[00:05:55] But it's an interesting use case.

[00:05:57] And, you know, quite frankly, I've gotten to the point where that mobile was able to tag

[00:06:02] the repeater and I am two and a half miles inland from Lake Ponce train

[00:06:08] plus 25 miles over the lake.

[00:06:11] So I'm fairly happy with the range I've been able to get at this thing.

[00:06:14] I don't know if I'm going to be able to accomplish my ultimate goal with this setup,

[00:06:20] which is to be able to reach my wife at her workplace from home.

[00:06:25] And I don't want to get too far into it yet,

[00:06:27] because I hate talking about stuff that hasn't come to fruition yet.

[00:06:30] But you and I have talked offline and I have a plan in the making

[00:06:34] that I think will probably pull that off.

[00:06:38] Probably.

[00:06:38] I mean, why? But talking to the person in Florida, why do you think it won't?

[00:06:44] Why do you think it has no value to you?

[00:06:47] Well, it's not that I think it has no value to me.

[00:06:49] I think if you're if you're if you're approaching GMRS as a hobby,

[00:06:55] like a lot of ham radio users do, and it's kind of like for the pure enjoyment

[00:07:00] of the radio dorkdom and nerdism, like I managed to talk to somebody five states away,

[00:07:05] then that's cool.

[00:07:07] But the primary reason I got into off grid

[00:07:11] comms is so that in the event of a major disaster, like, you know,

[00:07:15] like I didn't have a cat cat for hurricane

[00:07:18] trying to wipe us off the face of the earth a couple of years ago.

[00:07:21] I'm looking for ways to have communications with a small group

[00:07:25] of people in the event that the cell phones go down,

[00:07:29] the Internet goes down, the power goes down.

[00:07:31] So I need fully self-contained communications within as wide

[00:07:34] of a radius as I can get.

[00:07:37] And my concern with these repeaters is that most of these repeaters

[00:07:41] that like the one I'm currently talking to New Orleans, I don't know.

[00:07:45] I'd have to try to get in touch with that repeater owner and ask him

[00:07:47] some questions, which I'm sure he'd answer.

[00:07:49] But it's not as if he's going to

[00:07:52] radically alter it on my behalf.

[00:07:55] But my concern is that most of these repeaters, they're not running

[00:07:58] on a generator, they don't have a generator backup.

[00:08:00] So if there's a widespread power outage, those repeaters go down.

[00:08:04] And even if you're fortunate enough to be in a situation

[00:08:07] where you have a generator backup, if we end up in the situation

[00:08:11] like we were after Ida, where AT&T's Internet service was out

[00:08:15] all throughout this area, that Internet node goes down.

[00:08:17] So you see where I'm coming from?

[00:08:18] It's one of those things where it's like, I see.

[00:08:20] I see where you're coming from.

[00:08:21] But I feel like I mean, I see why you're making it

[00:08:25] and stuff like that. But information is information.

[00:08:27] So in the event that something did happen

[00:08:30] and maybe the power didn't go out, but if you can call

[00:08:34] and even if it's in an event to where the power is not even

[00:08:38] in a factor as far as going out or a concern of going out.

[00:08:42] I mean, having the ability to call somebody

[00:08:45] and know that you can reach Florida, who knows?

[00:08:48] The next person might be in Georgia or whatever.

[00:08:51] So just the idea that you can reach that far

[00:08:55] for additional information is is it's pretty big.

[00:09:00] I mean, that's that widens your circle out to multiple states.

[00:09:04] Yeah. Well, and it also depends, though, because like

[00:09:08] in my head, whenever I talk about widespread disaster,

[00:09:11] like we all know where I'm coming from.

[00:09:12] I live in Hurricane Alley.

[00:09:14] And when we get a hurricane come through here,

[00:09:16] it wipes out five zip codes.

[00:09:17] That's that's the way hurricanes work, y'all.

[00:09:20] I'm not thinking about like not too long ago,

[00:09:24] we had an F2 tornado touchdown about 20 miles east of me

[00:09:28] through my hometown and ripped up a bunch of neighborhoods.

[00:09:31] But the areas all around those neighborhoods were all still fine.

[00:09:35] There was power out for a couple of days.

[00:09:37] But in a situation like that, where the disaster is much,

[00:09:40] much more localized, those repeaters still have a chance of being up.

[00:09:43] And then the ability to utilize them becomes a much more of

[00:09:49] it becomes much more plausible.

[00:09:50] I see where you're coming from.

[00:09:52] It's a question of like how widespread is the disaster?

[00:09:54] How serious is the devastation?

[00:09:57] Are those repeaters impacted?

[00:09:59] I guess, like for my most immediate goal of being able to keep in touch

[00:10:04] with my wife across town,

[00:10:06] I really need to figure out a way to get a 14,

[00:10:09] I get about a four mile simplex repeater, you know,

[00:10:12] or a four mile simplex range.

[00:10:14] And I'm not going to be able to accomplish that with

[00:10:19] I'm not going to be able to accomplish the only way

[00:10:21] I'm going to pull that off with her in her Jeep,

[00:10:24] because she's not going to let me drill holes in her Jeep

[00:10:27] to do what I did with my truck and put like a mobile station into it.

[00:10:31] I might be able because the mobile I got

[00:10:35] really doesn't require it.

[00:10:37] Like it has a pigtail that plugs into a cigarette lighter socket.

[00:10:41] I could get a mag mount

[00:10:45] antenna that she could just drop onto her hood or stick on her roof

[00:10:50] and then just route the cable in through an open window

[00:10:52] or, you know, kind of pinch it through the door gasket,

[00:10:55] you know, in a field expedient manner.

[00:10:58] And then she could literally sit that radio on her center console

[00:11:01] and plug it into the into the cigarette lighter and she can run

[00:11:03] without having to make drastic modifications

[00:11:06] and permanent modifications to her vehicle like I did.

[00:11:09] So that might be an option.

[00:11:10] I think ultimately what I'm looking at, though, is

[00:11:14] I want to build kind of a man pack radio system so that we have

[00:11:19] more than just handset power available to us,

[00:11:23] like when we go camping or when we're at Prepper camp or various places.

[00:11:27] And so I have I've started wrangling the stuff together to pull that off.

[00:11:32] And I'm also thinking along the lines of, you know,

[00:11:34] once I have that radio system built,

[00:11:38] then the only things I really need to utilize it here

[00:11:41] at the house is I would need a mast and an antenna

[00:11:44] that would live here at the house.

[00:11:47] I would need to run some coax to probably this office, honestly.

[00:11:51] And I would need a DC power inverter with a pigtail

[00:11:55] so I can just unplug the radio from the built in battery

[00:11:59] that's in that's going to be in the man pack to run it

[00:12:01] when a mobile plugging into the DC inverter, screw in the antenna

[00:12:05] that's sitting in the backyard that I've run coax into the house.

[00:12:10] And then I'll be in a position where I can use this man packs,

[00:12:12] you know, in here and push 50 watts out through a 30 foot mast.

[00:12:17] And probably get a fairly decent range when you consider the fact

[00:12:20] that I was able to get a signal 27 miles with 20 watts

[00:12:25] with an antenna this tall sitting on the roof of my truck.

[00:12:28] So in the GMRS game, because I mean, you know how UHF works like you're

[00:12:32] you're familiar enough with ham radio that UHF is line of sight.

[00:12:37] It does not tolerate a lot of it.

[00:12:41] It gets bounced around real hard by things like buildings and trees

[00:12:44] and everything.

[00:12:45] And every foot higher up in the air, you can get your antenna

[00:12:48] makes a world of difference to GMRS because of the frequencies involved.

[00:12:53] So I'm thinking for like for a home installation.

[00:12:56] I just need to get that I need to get that mass 20 or 30 feet up in the air.

[00:13:00] Not because it's going to be useless at 10 feet,

[00:13:03] but because every foot higher improves the performance that much.

[00:13:09] But I can tell you that my handset will not receive the New Orleans

[00:13:13] repeater from right here at my house very reliably, like every now and then

[00:13:17] I'll hear something.

[00:13:19] If I drive down to the lake front with my handset,

[00:13:21] I can pick up the New Orleans repeater without a problem.

[00:13:24] But I can't hit it from the from the lakefront reliably.

[00:13:29] But this thing, I was able to get a strong return from the repeater

[00:13:32] from my driveway.

[00:13:33] So the the step up in power

[00:13:37] and the improvement in the antenna just to the point I'm at now

[00:13:41] has already unlocked a world of additional range for me.

[00:13:46] But I don't think this is the last time I'm going to be talking about radio

[00:13:49] dork stuff, because I've kind of got bit by the bug.

[00:13:53] Yeah, that's a rabbit hole.

[00:13:55] Yeah, I mean, it's a rabbit hole.

[00:13:56] But I think that I think there's because I know that a lot of our listeners,

[00:14:01] several of our listeners have expressed to me in conversations like Phil,

[00:14:04] I don't care about intended design and all this nonsense.

[00:14:07] I just want to be able to talk to I just want to be able to pick up

[00:14:09] a radio and talk to my wife.

[00:14:10] So I think there's room in talking about GMRS

[00:14:14] because of how the frequencies are channelized, because of how it's set up.

[00:14:18] I think there's room to make that

[00:14:21] a simple thing that solves a need for people.

[00:14:24] And I think that there's a way for me to present

[00:14:27] that as an option for off grid communications

[00:14:29] that's palatable and digestible by a lot of people.

[00:14:32] You know what I'm saying?

[00:14:33] Like, I appreciate I am I am digging headfirst into things

[00:14:37] like intended design, because I'm a nerd and I find it interesting.

[00:14:40] But I understand that like 95 percent of our audience just says, Phil,

[00:14:43] tell me what I need to get so I can talk to my four miles away.

[00:14:46] And I'm going to I'm a try to like not let my autism run wild

[00:14:51] and, you know, tell her about crap they don't want to hear

[00:14:55] and just give them the information they're asking for.

[00:14:58] I swear, my wife is listening right now.

[00:14:59] She's giggling because, God, I talk her ear off about crap

[00:15:02] she doesn't care about so often.

[00:15:05] But perks of being married.

[00:15:09] You always have someone listen that will listen to you.

[00:15:12] I will.

[00:15:14] I mean, hopefully.

[00:15:16] Anyway, so let's start with the aggravating topic.

[00:15:21] I don't know that there's much that could be said about this

[00:15:24] that hasn't already been said several times because this happened

[00:15:28] almost a month ago now, and I haven't heard a lot of additional

[00:15:31] information come out since.

[00:15:34] But it sounds to me like ATF upgraded from shooting

[00:15:38] people's dogs to just shooting homeowners now.

[00:15:42] Yeah, they don't care.

[00:15:44] No, they don't like four leg.

[00:15:47] I mean, the biggest thing is they just want gun owners dead.

[00:15:50] So well, and I've kind of taken the position of like

[00:15:57] I am of the opinion

[00:15:59] and anybody's welcome to disagree with me, but I'm of the opinion

[00:16:02] that most federal agencies only exist at this point

[00:16:06] to attempt to justify their continued existence.

[00:16:10] So ATF has to be seen

[00:16:14] doing their job and, you know, arresting the scary gun owners.

[00:16:21] And I think at this point,

[00:16:24] that is the whole point of what they were doing here.

[00:16:27] Like, I just I'm going to draw parallels of this to the Waco

[00:16:36] compound, the way the the the the the raid against

[00:16:40] hence Waco, Texas, against the branch Davidians compound, because

[00:16:44] it's been said numerous times following that debacle that,

[00:16:49] you know, the local sheriff could have picked that

[00:16:50] could have picked up David Koresh on the side of the road on his morning run.

[00:16:54] He could have picked him up at the coffee shop where he had coffee

[00:16:57] several times a week.

[00:16:58] There were so many opportunities to take him in a peaceful manner.

[00:17:03] He would have come to the sheriff's station if they would have just called

[00:17:06] and said, hey, we needed to come in for some questions.

[00:17:08] But the ATF chose, chose, decided that the way to do this

[00:17:14] was by kicking indoors by men wearing masks with machine guns

[00:17:17] because they wanted to be seen doing their jobs.

[00:17:22] And you don't get to you don't get to argue

[00:17:25] that we need a bigger budget for more people and more stuff.

[00:17:28] If the local, you know, stumble, stumble, fuck sheriff

[00:17:33] just gets this guy without firing a shot.

[00:17:35] You got to have the cattle car full of the guys in black uniform

[00:17:38] show up and kick a door in so that everybody everybody realizes

[00:17:41] this is why we pay these people.

[00:17:43] This is why we cut them millions or billions of dollars

[00:17:47] in budget every year.

[00:17:48] So they kick people's door in.

[00:17:50] So what do we have happen here?

[00:17:52] We have a no knock raid at six o'clock in the morning

[00:17:56] while this homeowner was home.

[00:17:58] No one apparently let them know this was the ATF,

[00:18:02] that this was law enforcement.

[00:18:04] And the homeowner did exactly what almost any rational,

[00:18:09] sane person would have done in his situation.

[00:18:11] And he shot back at people who were invading his home

[00:18:14] because he didn't realize they were cops.

[00:18:16] And they shot him in the head and killed him.

[00:18:19] Now, the family and many other people have asked

[00:18:23] what precipitated the need to do a no knock raid?

[00:18:28] What pushed this course of action to the forefront

[00:18:31] that this was the way to deal with the problem?

[00:18:33] You could have raided his home when he was at work.

[00:18:37] You could have raided his home when nobody was home.

[00:18:39] That's what sane, rational people with tactic

[00:18:42] with tactical training do is if I if my concern is

[00:18:45] I'm looking for evidence of a crime in a home,

[00:18:48] I don't want to get into a fight with the homeowners.

[00:18:50] I'm a way till the husbands at work and the wives out

[00:18:53] getting groceries, and then I may hit the front door

[00:18:55] when nobody's home.

[00:18:56] And by the time anybody realized what's going on,

[00:18:58] I got all the evidence I need.

[00:19:01] Or if my concern is I want to get the homeowner,

[00:19:04] then I'm going to get the home.

[00:19:05] I'm going to have the local police pull the homeowner over

[00:19:07] while he's on his way to work because he goes

[00:19:09] to work the same time every freaking morning.

[00:19:10] Probably takes the same path to get to and from work.

[00:19:12] I can pick him up at his office at an airport

[00:19:15] where you can't have guns.

[00:19:17] There were so many ways to deal with this problem

[00:19:20] that didn't have to end with this man dying.

[00:19:21] And I'm not taking a position on whether or not

[00:19:23] he was guilty of a crime because we can't figure that out

[00:19:26] because you can't investigate a freaking corpse.

[00:19:28] But what pisses me off is the fact that once again,

[00:19:31] federal law enforcement has decided that the only way

[00:19:33] to deal with this problem is by treating every problem

[00:19:36] like a nail and they are a hammer.

[00:19:39] Any option that doesn't involve them getting to kick

[00:19:42] in somebody's door and rough house with a homeowner

[00:19:45] is not one they're interested in pursuing.

[00:19:47] And that pisses me off.

[00:19:49] I think people have a right to defend themselves

[00:19:51] in their homes.

[00:19:52] I think law enforcement has a duty and a responsibility

[00:19:55] to use the minimum amount of force to discharge a warrant,

[00:19:59] not the amount that makes you feel good

[00:20:02] or puts lead in your pencil every morning.

[00:20:04] I'm just, I'm tired of hearing about homeowners

[00:20:07] getting into gunfights with feds

[00:20:09] because feds can't help themselves

[00:20:11] but to pack a bunch of guys full of,

[00:20:13] you know, wearing balaclavas into a frigging cattle car

[00:20:16] and roll them up somebody's door just to make a point.

[00:20:20] Am I off base?

[00:20:21] No, I mean it just, yeah.

[00:20:23] There's no reason why they couldn't have done

[00:20:25] this any different.

[00:20:26] I mean, even the family's questioning.

[00:20:30] They're questioning why they,

[00:20:32] basically why the ATF did what they did.

[00:20:35] And so it's just like, you know,

[00:20:37] you could have went to his work.

[00:20:38] You could have questioned, you know,

[00:20:40] you could have questioned him any other,

[00:20:42] a hundred different ways, spoke to him.

[00:20:45] And being a law Biden citizen,

[00:20:49] you know, he, I'm sure if the ATF or whoever

[00:20:52] was like, hey, we need to talk to you.

[00:20:53] I'm sure he'd come in and speak to you

[00:20:57] because I mean this guy,

[00:21:00] basically it sounds like this,

[00:21:03] it sounds like what they were trying to go after

[00:21:05] this guy was selling firearms

[00:21:07] and they were saying that he was doing it illegally

[00:21:09] which with the change in the definition,

[00:21:13] basically this is right up to,

[00:21:17] with what they were talking about this guy doing

[00:21:21] is the exact thing that they changed the definition for.

[00:21:27] And basically, so they changed the definition

[00:21:30] and they in turn made, are making millions,

[00:21:36] hundreds of millions of gun owners,

[00:21:42] felons basically, or hundreds of thousands

[00:21:46] if not millions, sorry.

[00:21:47] Now before we move on to the next thing,

[00:21:49] there's just one thing I want to point out.

[00:21:50] And like this was, this is the brother's assertion,

[00:21:53] the brother of the now deceased, he's gentleman.

[00:21:57] And like, this is the same question

[00:21:59] I have to ask myself.

[00:22:01] So the deceased brother was stating that,

[00:22:07] you know, that his brother was well connected

[00:22:10] in Arkansas, had an annual salary

[00:22:12] of more than a quarter million dollars

[00:22:13] and for an airport director,

[00:22:14] that's very believable for a big airport.

[00:22:17] Though by the time you work your way

[00:22:19] at that high in aviation, you're making some bucks.

[00:22:22] And apparently had, you know,

[00:22:24] some very nice collections of guns and coins,

[00:22:26] but this statement right here

[00:22:27] is the one that makes me wonder.

[00:22:30] When someone makes that much money,

[00:22:31] there's no incentive to do anything wrong.

[00:22:33] He has so much to lose.

[00:22:34] And this is the thing that makes me wonder.

[00:22:38] What the ATF is asserting is that

[00:22:42] they're asserting that the accused,

[00:22:44] that the now deceased was selling,

[00:22:47] was straw purchasing firearms basically.

[00:22:49] He'd go in and buy like, you know, 20 Glocks

[00:22:51] and he'd sell them and they were showing up at crime seats

[00:22:53] and yada yada yada.

[00:22:55] Let's give ground on that for just the briefest moments

[00:22:59] and say, okay, that's what was going on.

[00:23:01] Why?

[00:23:03] Why?

[00:23:04] Why even engage in some nonsense like that

[00:23:07] when you are living in a very cushy suburb

[00:23:10] with a very well paying job

[00:23:12] and one single of those firearms getting filed

[00:23:16] and had founded a crime scene

[00:23:18] is grounds to have your entire life torn apart?

[00:23:22] I just, I don't see it.

[00:23:25] I question it.

[00:23:26] I really wanna see the ATF's warrant.

[00:23:28] I really wanna see their evidence

[00:23:30] because I can't help but think

[00:23:33] we are talking about the same agency

[00:23:35] that lied through their teeth about why they rated,

[00:23:38] about, you know, they lied through their teeth

[00:23:40] about their involvement in Ruby Ridge.

[00:23:42] They lied through their teeth

[00:23:43] about everything that happened at Waco.

[00:23:46] They've lied through their teeth multiple times.

[00:23:48] Their fricking current director is a stumble fuck moron.

[00:23:53] I just, this whole agency has so little credibility to me

[00:23:57] that they say this guy was selling guns on the black market.

[00:24:01] Show me your evidence

[00:24:03] because I don't know that I believe a thing

[00:24:05] that comes out of their mouths at this point.

[00:24:06] They've lied too many times.

[00:24:08] They have no integrity as an agency

[00:24:11] and for the officers who work for them,

[00:24:14] boys, I don't know what to tell y'all anymore.

[00:24:16] Like y'all are not,

[00:24:17] y'all are the baddies at this point.

[00:24:21] Your entire agency is corrupt

[00:24:23] and if you can't see it anymore

[00:24:24] then I don't think you wanna see it

[00:24:27] but I'm just very frustrated and concerned

[00:24:30] and you know, if I can get my screens to cooperate

[00:24:36] and that brings us to, you know,

[00:24:39] the thing Andrew was referencing earlier

[00:24:40] which quite frankly makes me more

[00:24:44] than a little bit nervous.

[00:24:45] The ATF has just proposed a new rule

[00:24:49] to change the definition of whether or not

[00:24:51] you are engaged in the business as a dealer in firearms.

[00:24:56] Now for those of you who are not like,

[00:24:59] you know, really super plugged in,

[00:25:02] understand that if you want to be

[00:25:05] in the business of selling firearms,

[00:25:07] you are supposed to,

[00:25:08] you are legally required to go and get a license

[00:25:12] that the federal government knows you're selling guns

[00:25:15] and then there's some paperwork to go through

[00:25:17] and we all know if you've ever gone

[00:25:18] and bought a gun, you have to do a 4473,

[00:25:20] get a background check, yada yada yada.

[00:25:23] And the FFL, the Federal Firearms Licensee

[00:25:27] has to maintain a bound book to basically say

[00:25:30] I sold this gun to this person, yada yada yada.

[00:25:32] That all that, like I'm not an expert,

[00:25:35] I'm not an FFL,

[00:25:36] I don't need that headache in my life

[00:25:37] but I understand the broad strokes of it.

[00:25:39] There's a lot of crap involved

[00:25:42] if you want to sell firearms in this country,

[00:25:43] even though I think you should be able to buy machine guns

[00:25:45] and RPGs out of vending machines.

[00:25:47] We don't live in that world, you know, just bear with us.

[00:25:51] However, it has also been well understood

[00:25:55] for a very, very long time

[00:25:57] that if I want to sell a gun to Andrew

[00:25:59] and I can't think of any reasons I'd want to sell a gun

[00:26:02] but you know, humor me for a moment,

[00:26:03] but if I wanted to and I knew that Andrew wasn't,

[00:26:06] you know, an ax murderer or a felon,

[00:26:08] I could legally sell him a firearm

[00:26:12] and we're fine, because I'm not an FFL holder.

[00:26:14] I'm not in the business of selling guns.

[00:26:17] I just have a gun, I don't want any more.

[00:26:18] He wants it, we trade some cash for some plastic

[00:26:21] and metal and we make that happen

[00:26:22] and that's always been legal up to this point.

[00:26:25] Right up until the ATF wants to now redefine

[00:26:31] whether or not you are engaged in the business

[00:26:33] as a dealer in firearms.

[00:26:35] Now I'm not gonna belabor this whole thing.

[00:26:37] I'm gonna scroll on down to the executive summary

[00:26:40] and point out a couple of sections.

[00:26:41] I highlight it and then I really wanna hear

[00:26:43] Andrew's thoughts, because like this genuinely

[00:26:46] unnerves the hell out of me.

[00:26:49] So ATF wishes to change the previous, okay,

[00:26:54] so the previous definition hinged around

[00:26:57] whether a person, whether the income from selling

[00:27:00] the firearm was considered to be for their livelihood.

[00:27:04] In other words, like if as a business

[00:27:07] I am buying and selling guns

[00:27:08] then obviously I'm engaged in the business.

[00:27:10] They wish to change it to predominantly earn a profit.

[00:27:16] So it's not just that if you sell a gun for a profit

[00:27:20] that you have to have an FFL

[00:27:22] or you get your door kicked in and get shot.

[00:27:25] It's the fact that if it's predominantly

[00:27:27] to earn a profit, so like if I incidentally

[00:27:29] earn a profit or if guns appreciate over time

[00:27:33] which everybody fricking knows they do.

[00:27:34] I mean, you know, I know a person

[00:27:36] who bought a firearm back in the late 70s

[00:27:40] and current market value, it's appreciated 300%.

[00:27:45] So if that person sells that gun

[00:27:48] for what it's currently worth, which is a lot more money

[00:27:51] than what he bought it for,

[00:27:53] did he sell it to predominantly earn a profit

[00:27:55] or did he just earn a profit

[00:27:57] because the gun's worth more 30, 40 years later?

[00:28:01] You see where I'm going with this?

[00:28:02] The part of this that makes me nervous is

[00:28:06] it requires the ATF to assume the person's motive

[00:28:09] was to predominantly earn a profit.

[00:28:12] And that presumption, in my opinion,

[00:28:15] is very, very squishy legally,

[00:28:18] but I think that's the point.

[00:28:21] I think the point is to make this legally squishy

[00:28:23] so that they can apply it where they want to apply it

[00:28:26] which is they want to discourage people

[00:28:28] from private party sales

[00:28:30] because there's some thought process

[00:28:32] that they're untraceable.

[00:28:33] I got news for you.

[00:28:34] It's pretty fricking hard to trace a sold firearm anyway.

[00:28:38] And best I'm aware, Johnny B. Gangbanger

[00:28:41] that's selling Glocks out of his trunk,

[00:28:42] he ain't keeping a bound book, but I digress.

[00:28:46] Well, that's what the director,

[00:28:53] right off the ATF's website here,

[00:28:54] he quoted as saying,

[00:28:56] this is about protecting the lives

[00:28:58] of innocent law-abiding Americans

[00:29:00] as well as the rule of law.

[00:29:02] There is a large and growing black market of guns

[00:29:05] that are being sold by people

[00:29:06] who are in the business of dealing

[00:29:08] and are doing it without a license,

[00:29:10] and therefore they are not running a background check

[00:29:13] the way the law requires and it is fueling violence.

[00:29:18] Yeah, okay.

[00:29:19] I mean, he's talking about the law-abiding citizen

[00:29:24] not following the rules, right?

[00:29:26] Not the gangbanger that, like you said,

[00:29:29] is selling the, basically is doing the drive-by shootings

[00:29:33] and selling stuff out of the trunk of a car

[00:29:36] and everything like that.

[00:29:37] They can't be talking about them, God forbid.

[00:29:40] But yeah, no, but that's the thing is like the,

[00:29:46] Brian Malinowski, I think is the last name.

[00:29:51] Basically-

[00:29:52] That's as close as I'm gonna get to it, but yeah.

[00:29:53] Yeah, but basically this guy who they kicked the door in

[00:29:59] six o'clock in the morning

[00:30:01] and there are some lawmakers that are actually pushing

[00:30:04] for the ATF to release body cam footage

[00:30:06] and all kinds of stuff to say,

[00:30:08] hey, what the heck happened?

[00:30:11] And so, I mean, they got video of them

[00:30:13] walking up to his house and they cover his ring camera

[00:30:17] and they cover the camera up on his ring doorbell

[00:30:21] so that they can't be videotaped.

[00:30:23] Mm-hmm.

[00:30:25] So they don't wanna see, and on top of that,

[00:30:28] the warrant that was released

[00:30:30] that I guess they've been releasing around,

[00:30:32] it's been so heavily redacted.

[00:30:34] You can't see, you don't get anything from it.

[00:30:38] But they, so basically it is heavily redacted warrant,

[00:30:43] affidavit, the ATF claims that Malinowski

[00:30:47] purchased numerous firearms that he resold

[00:30:49] without a dealer's license.

[00:30:51] That is 100% to this rule right here

[00:30:56] is he did not have a dealer license

[00:30:59] and that's the thing is I have some guns

[00:31:01] and I was looking at them like, you know what?

[00:31:02] I don't shoot them, they've been just collecting dust.

[00:31:05] I wanna sell them.

[00:31:06] You better not.

[00:31:07] Well, that's the thing though is now you can't.

[00:31:10] Or you better sell them for not one penny more

[00:31:12] than you paid for them.

[00:31:15] Yeah, no, I mean, but well, you know,

[00:31:17] I mean, I'm gonna gift you a gun

[00:31:18] and you can gift me money I guess.

[00:31:20] No, no, no, they'll definitely shoot you over that.

[00:31:23] Yeah, so I don't know.

[00:31:25] It's gonna be interesting to see.

[00:31:27] I'm wondering, I feel like the ATF,

[00:31:31] they got their teeth kicked in

[00:31:32] with the frames and receivers rule

[00:31:34] or they're still getting their teeth kicked in with that.

[00:31:36] They got their teeth kicked in with the pistol brace rule.

[00:31:39] I feel like this one is just 100%,

[00:31:42] this is like the Hail Mary to completely stiff

[00:31:46] the law-abiding gun owner from selling

[00:31:49] and buying firearms the way it should have always been

[00:31:53] or the way it's always been

[00:31:54] and the way it should always be

[00:31:56] is if you wanna sell a private party,

[00:31:58] then you know what?

[00:31:59] Go ahead and do it.

[00:32:01] And that's where, you know, that's the thing is

[00:32:03] that's where the, and I've noticed over the last,

[00:32:06] I mean, even 10 years or so,

[00:32:08] a lot of people that I know who are selling firearms,

[00:32:10] they're requiring a CPL just to cover their butt

[00:32:14] because they don't wanna sell to somebody

[00:32:15] who's a convicted felon or anything like that.

[00:32:18] So they're saying, hey, you need a CPL.

[00:32:20] Yeah.

[00:32:21] A lot of the forums that I go on,

[00:32:22] it's, hey, you need a CPL, stuff like that.

[00:32:25] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:32:27] I mean, it'll be interesting to see

[00:32:28] what happens with this rule.

[00:32:33] I'm sure it'll go, it goes into effect,

[00:32:35] I believe May 20th, I wanna say is what I heard or read.

[00:32:40] And I'm kinda curious to see what happens with it

[00:32:43] because obviously with all these stupid rule changes

[00:32:46] that they do as Americans, you know,

[00:32:51] or law-abiding citizens, I would say,

[00:32:53] we have to, we're supposed to go with the law.

[00:32:57] We're supposed to follow the law

[00:32:58] while it's in court.

[00:32:59] That's what's stupid,

[00:33:01] is they implement this unconstitutional rule

[00:33:04] and then we have to follow it

[00:33:05] while it's going through the court system.

[00:33:10] But I don't know.

[00:33:11] I mean, by all means though, yeah.

[00:33:15] But see, here's my frustration with what you just said.

[00:33:19] If, if for a moment,

[00:33:22] I believe that there would be direct serious consequences

[00:33:26] for the person who penned this nonsense.

[00:33:29] Like whoever signs off on these rule changes,

[00:33:33] if that person was going to lose

[00:33:34] their fricking job and pension

[00:33:35] for putting one out that was found later

[00:33:38] to be unconstitutional,

[00:33:39] I would be much more inclined to humor the agency

[00:33:43] and let it have its day in court

[00:33:44] and be like, okay, I'm gonna play by the rules

[00:33:47] knowing that when this gets found unconstitutional,

[00:33:50] the person who penned it loses

[00:33:52] their daggum career and job.

[00:33:54] Like I lost my rights,

[00:33:57] because a right to late is a right to night.

[00:33:59] I lost my rights for a period of time.

[00:34:00] You lose your entire livelihood as a result

[00:34:04] because you shouldn't have put your name on this nonsense.

[00:34:08] And to that end,

[00:34:10] I firmly and wholeheartedly believe

[00:34:13] that the only way we're ever gonna see

[00:34:16] this nonsense unwind itself

[00:34:17] is if there's real legitimate career ending consequences

[00:34:20] for the people who continue to propose laws and rules

[00:34:25] that are later found unconstitutional.

[00:34:26] It has to be that severe

[00:34:28] because otherwise there's nothing to stop them

[00:34:31] from doing it.

[00:34:32] Like I've said before,

[00:34:34] what aggravates me about our legal system

[00:34:36] is that the government uses our tax dollars

[00:34:40] because they don't produce anything

[00:34:41] to sell to anybody to make their own money.

[00:34:43] So that's how they keep themselves afloat.

[00:34:45] They steal money from us.

[00:34:47] This is so fricking appropriate right now,

[00:34:49] considering it's tax time.

[00:34:51] They steal money from us, okay?

[00:34:54] They use it to pay people to dream up this crap

[00:34:55] that screws us out of our rights.

[00:34:57] And then we spend our money,

[00:35:00] we donate it to organizations

[00:35:02] who then drag their butts into court

[00:35:04] and raise holy hell about the fact

[00:35:07] that this is unconstitutional.

[00:35:08] And that takes tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars

[00:35:11] over the course of months and years

[00:35:14] before we might maybe finally get a judgment

[00:35:18] that overturns it.

[00:35:20] And the whole time we're spending our money

[00:35:22] to fight this in court,

[00:35:24] those mother effers are spending our money

[00:35:26] on other lawyers to fight us against our own money.

[00:35:30] We're losing at this both ends.

[00:35:33] We're funding the war chest

[00:35:34] of the people that are screwing us

[00:35:35] while we're funding the war chest

[00:35:36] of the people that are trying to save us.

[00:35:38] It's fricking aggravating.

[00:35:42] And that is the American legal system.

[00:35:44] Well yeah, the government's using the taxpayer dollars

[00:35:48] to enforce unconstitutional laws against the taxpayer.

[00:35:54] And to fight the taxpayer,

[00:35:56] they use their taxpayer dollars in court

[00:36:00] to fight, you know, basically it's ridiculous.

[00:36:05] I mean, I've said that before,

[00:36:07] it's just like that's actually,

[00:36:08] it's a crock of crap,

[00:36:09] like how the government can actually use your money

[00:36:14] to strip your rights away is crazy.

[00:36:18] I mean, so yeah.

[00:36:21] I think rattle-fragile is dead on.

[00:36:22] Like people in positions of power are most interested

[00:36:24] in growing that power and protecting that power.

[00:36:27] Like the only reason why any politician

[00:36:30] ever does the right thing

[00:36:32] is because doing the wrong thing

[00:36:33] is gonna get them fired.

[00:36:34] That's the only daggone reason

[00:36:35] these people do anything right.

[00:36:37] I mean, you have to understand

[00:36:38] that like I basically regard politicians,

[00:36:43] even the ones I vote for,

[00:36:44] I regard them all basically

[00:36:46] as fricking like narcissistic,

[00:36:48] disgusting little sociopaths.

[00:36:50] And I truly believe that the only way

[00:36:53] that any of them are ever gonna do the right thing

[00:36:54] is if somebody is waiting with a paddle

[00:36:56] to whack them on the butt

[00:36:57] every time they do something wrong.

[00:36:58] It's the only thing they respond to

[00:37:00] is I'm gonna screw your day up

[00:37:02] if you don't do what I tell you to do.

[00:37:05] And I wish people existed that were immune

[00:37:10] to the allure of power and money

[00:37:13] that comes with politics,

[00:37:14] but all the people I know

[00:37:15] that don't care about that

[00:37:16] don't wanna be involved in politics.

[00:37:18] There are people like me,

[00:37:19] the idea of me ever getting into politics

[00:37:23] makes my skin crawl

[00:37:24] because I just don't wanna be involved

[00:37:26] in all that slimy nonsense.

[00:37:28] I don't do this whole thing

[00:37:30] where you speak politely and kindly

[00:37:33] to people who are trying to screw you.

[00:37:35] I'd rather tell them,

[00:37:36] F you get off my frigging porch.

[00:37:38] It's the way I'm wired.

[00:37:39] And people like me don't wanna go into politics.

[00:37:42] The people that go into politics

[00:37:43] are the people who have something to benefit from it.

[00:37:45] And if you think that your politician,

[00:37:48] the one you voted for,

[00:37:50] the one that you shook hands with

[00:37:51] is the only one totally immune

[00:37:53] from this allure of power,

[00:37:55] he might be, but I might be right too

[00:37:57] that he's just doing what he's supposed to do

[00:37:59] to keep himself from getting fired.

[00:38:01] But if that threat is the only thing

[00:38:04] that keeps one straight and narrow,

[00:38:05] fine, that's what we're supposed to do as Americans

[00:38:07] is distrust our dag on government.

[00:38:09] But the part of this that,

[00:38:11] like there was this one passage in there

[00:38:13] that I think in a very conciliatory way says,

[00:38:18] the final rule expressly recognizes

[00:38:20] that individuals who purchase firearms

[00:38:22] for the enhancement of a personal collection

[00:38:25] or legitimate hobby are permitted by the GCA

[00:38:28] to occasionally buy and sell firearms for the purposes

[00:38:31] or occasionally resell to a licensee

[00:38:33] or to a family member for lawful purposes,

[00:38:35] without the need to obtain a license.

[00:38:38] And to me, that whole little passage

[00:38:40] sounds like a very half-hearted cover my butt

[00:38:43] so that when we get sued in court,

[00:38:45] this goes our way because I just,

[00:38:47] I have no faith in the ATF and the DOJ to not abuse this.

[00:38:52] I have no faith in government

[00:38:53] that they're not gonna twist this

[00:38:55] to go after people doing private sales.

[00:38:58] I have no faith left in them anymore.

[00:39:00] They're going to abuse this.

[00:39:02] And if you don't think they're gonna abuse this,

[00:39:03] there's a woman and a brother bearing a man in hand

[00:39:06] right now who may or may not be guilty of a thing

[00:39:10] other than defending his freaking home

[00:39:11] from a bunch of guys in ski masks

[00:39:14] who kicked in his door at six o'clock in the morning.

[00:39:20] The history of this country is littered

[00:39:22] with the bodies of people who pissed off their government.

[00:39:25] And instead of that government trying to take them

[00:39:28] into custody in a peaceful manner

[00:39:31] to have their day in trial,

[00:39:33] they opted to use the maximum amount of force possible

[00:39:36] because damn it, people are gonna do what we say

[00:39:38] or we're gonna kill them.

[00:39:40] And that is where I'm at with our government right now.

[00:39:43] I am so incredibly and unendingly frustrated

[00:39:47] that we are dealing with a literal mafia

[00:39:49] running around our country,

[00:39:51] booting in people's doors because they can.

[00:39:56] And the minute somebody defends their home,

[00:39:59] they make it out like,

[00:40:00] well, that was a reasonable thing to do.

[00:40:02] Like how dare he shoot at cops?

[00:40:04] Well, if you kick my door at six o'clock in the morning,

[00:40:06] I'm gonna do a whole lot more

[00:40:07] than greet you on the front porch

[00:40:08] and shake hands with you.

[00:40:09] There's gonna be some lead flinging back and forth

[00:40:11] because I don't know who you are.

[00:40:13] I just know you kicked in the door

[00:40:14] where my wife and daughter sleep

[00:40:15] and we're about to have a fight.

[00:40:18] You know, this is the third episode

[00:40:19] that I've gotten on a good rant

[00:40:21] and you haven't pulled out the blood pressure warning?

[00:40:24] Yeah, it's okay.

[00:40:25] I'm so disappointed though.

[00:40:26] I put time and effort into that

[00:40:28] and I don't ever think to throw it up

[00:40:30] because I'm in the middle of, you know,

[00:40:32] my blood pressure getting into the triple digits.

[00:40:35] Yeah, you're okay.

[00:40:36] I didn't see your, I didn't see the vein pop out

[00:40:38] so you're fine.

[00:40:39] That's what you're waiting for, isn't it?

[00:40:41] Is this vein right here to start like coming out and pulsing?

[00:40:44] Yeah.

[00:40:46] So I guess the question, Andrew, is like,

[00:40:48] what advice do we give to people in this situation

[00:40:52] like to protect themselves?

[00:40:53] Like I...

[00:40:54] I mean, I'm not gonna give advice

[00:40:55] because I'm not an attorney.

[00:40:57] Yeah.

[00:40:58] But I mean, the biggest thing that I'm,

[00:41:00] the biggest thing I'm doing right now is just waiting

[00:41:02] because I mean, the rule just dropped not long ago.

[00:41:05] I think it may be a week ago if that.

[00:41:08] It's fairly recent, yeah.

[00:41:10] So I mean, I'm just gonna wait till,

[00:41:12] I'm waiting to see some more information come out on it.

[00:41:15] I'm waiting to see what like FPC and GOA

[00:41:19] and stuff say about it and seeing what they,

[00:41:23] you know, because I know that they usually

[00:41:24] will start putting more information out regarding

[00:41:27] the whole situation and they'll put out their opinion,

[00:41:30] which I already know their opinion,

[00:41:32] but they'll put out more on it.

[00:41:35] So I'm waiting to see what they say.

[00:41:37] That's the thing is a gun that I was looking at selling,

[00:41:41] I mean, I got like 20 mags for it.

[00:41:43] So of course I'm gonna sell it for more.

[00:41:46] I'm gonna sell it with that and with all the mags

[00:41:48] and at least the mags are at least

[00:41:50] a good another couple hundred bucks.

[00:41:52] So it's like, hey, you know...

[00:41:56] So yeah, so I mean, yeah.

[00:41:59] It's just one of those things where we just need to,

[00:42:02] unfortunately, we need to sit back

[00:42:03] and let the FPC and GOA do something,

[00:42:07] do what they do best and take the tyrants to court

[00:42:11] and kicking their teeth again

[00:42:13] because they've been doing a pretty good job lately

[00:42:15] about it.

[00:42:16] So yeah, we'll see.

[00:42:17] I mean, I don't know.

[00:42:20] I mean, really, keep doing what you're doing

[00:42:22] and I don't know.

[00:42:27] It's one of those things where just keep doing

[00:42:28] what you're doing and let's see what we can't figure out

[00:42:32] and just keep pushing and resist where you can

[00:42:37] and donate to FPC and all that,

[00:42:40] all those other, donate to those groups,

[00:42:41] donate to somewhere local.

[00:42:43] And at the same time, even to say,

[00:42:45] well, wait and see.

[00:42:48] I mean, even that makes me nervous though, man,

[00:42:49] because like, do you, Andrew Bobo,

[00:42:54] have any personal faith in the fact that the ATF

[00:42:58] and the DOJ are not willing to lie

[00:43:02] to secure warrants to do what they wanna do?

[00:43:05] Like, I have no faith left in either agency whatsoever.

[00:43:09] I have no faith in them at all.

[00:43:11] I mean, they're gonna lie.

[00:43:11] They're gonna do what they gotta do.

[00:43:13] I mean, look at what happened with Ruby Ridge

[00:43:15] and Waco and all that stuff.

[00:43:16] They made up lies in order to go in.

[00:43:19] So I guess what I'm saying is to me,

[00:43:22] the outcome of this rule is almost a moot point

[00:43:25] because even if this rule gets struck down

[00:43:27] or gets its teeth kicked in,

[00:43:29] they're just gonna say, oh well,

[00:43:31] he straw purchased a gun and sold it to a drug dealer

[00:43:34] and we're gonna kick in his door.

[00:43:35] Like to me, we are reaching a point where

[00:43:41] once quiet, happy libertarian Phil

[00:43:44] is slowly drifting towards his anarcho-libertarian friends

[00:43:50] that's like, you know, let's just cut

[00:43:52] the federal government by 95%

[00:43:54] and just send them all home all at the same time.

[00:43:56] And if that means that there is no federal law enforcement,

[00:43:59] there is no FBI, there is no CIA,

[00:44:01] I am comfortable with those terms.

[00:44:03] All of you idiots go home and leave these people alone

[00:44:09] and we will deal with problems ourselves

[00:44:11] because I've said on numerous occasions,

[00:44:13] I say, I like to bring this up

[00:44:15] in semi-polite company whenever somebody gets

[00:44:18] on a kick about how we need more law enforcement.

[00:44:20] I always point out to them like, no, no, no.

[00:44:22] Law enforcement's not here to save my family

[00:44:25] from whoever's gonna kick our door in.

[00:44:27] Law enforcement is to save all of y'all

[00:44:29] from people like me who are comfortable

[00:44:31] taking things into their own hands.

[00:44:34] Like law enforcement is here

[00:44:35] so that I can call law enforcement and say,

[00:44:36] hey, if you don't come over here

[00:44:38] and deal with this person, I'm gonna deal with them

[00:44:40] and I'm gonna do it in an ugly way.

[00:44:42] That's what law enforcement does.

[00:44:43] Law enforcement is there for the people

[00:44:45] who don't have the stomach to use violence

[00:44:48] to protect themselves and their loved ones.

[00:44:50] But for the rest of us, law enforcement

[00:44:52] is really just there to clean up a mess

[00:44:54] and take a report.

[00:44:55] Because by the time, not, you know,

[00:44:57] whoever's on the other side of 911 shows up

[00:44:59] at my front door, I've already dealt

[00:45:00] with the home intruder myself.

[00:45:02] I ain't gonna lock myself in the bathroom and pray.

[00:45:05] I'm gonna reload.

[00:45:06] And there's, we're getting to a point where

[00:45:09] when more and more and more I see law enforcement

[00:45:11] at the federal level engaging things like this

[00:45:14] and having shootouts with homeowners

[00:45:16] on very, very flimsy reasoning

[00:45:19] and the agency has proven that they're not

[00:45:21] trustworthy enough that we can trust

[00:45:23] what they tell us with this justification for the warrant,

[00:45:25] I get to the point where I say,

[00:45:26] okay, this whole agency is more harm than good.

[00:45:29] Get rid of all of them.

[00:45:31] I'm there.

[00:45:33] I don't know how everybody else feels,

[00:45:34] but that's how I feel.

[00:45:36] I just feel like if they're not going

[00:45:38] to be a net positive for the American people

[00:45:40] and they certainly were not a net positive

[00:45:41] to Mr. Malinowski, then it's maybe time

[00:45:44] to just send all of them home.

[00:45:48] Turn ATF into a convenience store.

[00:45:50] I mean, I think a place that I could, you know,

[00:45:52] buy bourbon and cigars and,

[00:45:55] bourbon cigars, a horizontal lock all under one roof.

[00:45:57] That sounds like a party to me.

[00:45:59] Matter of fact, Andrew, business opportunity.

[00:46:01] You need to move down here

[00:46:03] and we need to get an FFL and a liquor license

[00:46:07] and we need to open a store called ATF

[00:46:09] and it'll be Gunstore Bar Cigar Lounge.

[00:46:14] Bruh.

[00:46:17] Or we could call it Libertarian Wet Dream.

[00:46:19] That would work too.

[00:46:23] Anyway, do you have anything else

[00:46:25] you want to chuck in here at the end or?

[00:46:27] Are we out of gas?

[00:46:28] Stay safe.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:31] I mean people, the best I can tell y'all

[00:46:33] is that like, I don't expect everybody

[00:46:35] to stay as plugged in to some of this stuff

[00:46:36] as Andrew and I are.

[00:46:37] I do think that if you are,

[00:46:39] I do think that if you were a casual gun owner,

[00:46:41] a lot of this stuff is going to kind of float by you

[00:46:44] because, you know, you're just not into the lifestyle

[00:46:48] as much as we are.

[00:46:49] I do think however, that if you characterize yourself

[00:46:52] as a Second Amendment advocate,

[00:46:53] you owe it to yourself and to the community

[00:46:56] to be involved and to be aware of these things

[00:46:59] and to advocate for what you believe in.

[00:47:02] Like I said years ago when I continue to say it,

[00:47:05] we're at a point in this country where

[00:47:07] as much as I think guns should not be a political issue,

[00:47:10] they very obviously are and they will continue

[00:47:12] to be so for a very long time.

[00:47:14] We do not have the latitude

[00:47:18] to be quiet about firearms anymore.

[00:47:21] We don't have the latitude when you're in polite company

[00:47:23] and somebody starts chirping about guns

[00:47:26] to sit there and keep quiet

[00:47:27] because I don't want to start a fight

[00:47:28] or I don't want to start a confrontation.

[00:47:30] We all have to be advocates every single day,

[00:47:34] everywhere, everyone who raises the issue,

[00:47:36] we have to present our side.

[00:47:38] We have to be brave and we have to be prepared

[00:47:41] to piss some people off because if we don't,

[00:47:45] then we are going to be the generation

[00:47:47] that watches our rights be stripped away further

[00:47:49] to the point where our children and our nieces and nephews

[00:47:52] will never know freedom like we had it

[00:47:54] and we don't know it like the generation ahead of us did.

[00:47:58] So all I'm gonna say is,

[00:48:00] I'm not preaching from the root seller.

[00:48:06] I get into arguments with people

[00:48:07] about gun laws all the time.

[00:48:09] I love to get into conversations with people

[00:48:11] about like hey, did you know you can make pipe bombs

[00:48:13] legally and the federal government's okay with it?

[00:48:15] And that freaks them out and then I talk about

[00:48:17] the fact that you can actually NFA,

[00:48:19] you can go through the NFA process

[00:48:21] and get permission to build a pipe bomb.

[00:48:23] Like I love to talk to people about this stuff

[00:48:26] because it just blows their mind

[00:48:27] that this stuff is actually legal

[00:48:29] if you file the paperwork and pay the taxes.

[00:48:31] But that's the thing we have to do

[00:48:34] when somebody says oh machine guns are illegal,

[00:48:36] stop them, politely address what they said,

[00:48:38] tell them they were wrong, explain to them why.

[00:48:42] Because we have to correct this misinformation.

[00:48:45] We cannot allow ignorant people to continue to vote

[00:48:50] with the guise of ignorance.

[00:48:52] If they're gonna vote against our interests

[00:48:54] as far as the Second Amendment, I can't stop them.

[00:48:57] But I can at least correct their stupidity

[00:49:00] and tell them you're wrong.

[00:49:01] This is the way things really are.

[00:49:03] And if they still say I'm gonna vote against guns,

[00:49:06] a salamely can go with God.

[00:49:08] I sure as hell hope you never need somebody

[00:49:09] with a gun to defend your life

[00:49:11] because I am not gonna be the one.

[00:49:13] But anyway, oh, raggle fraggle.

[00:49:21] They have drive-through daiquiris, right?

[00:49:23] Drive-through gun shops.

[00:49:26] I'm gonna have to look into some legalese about that.

[00:49:29] But that would be a thing if you had a drive-up window.

[00:49:32] Okay, so if I ever manage to get this idea

[00:49:34] off the ground and I open a store called ATF

[00:49:37] and we have cigars, bourbon, and guns

[00:49:39] all under one roof,

[00:49:40] I am putting in a drive-through window

[00:49:43] just to really freak people out.

[00:49:45] It will be awesome.

[00:49:47] But Matterfakes Podcast is gonna head out the door.

[00:49:49] It's a Friday night.

[00:49:50] Stay out of trouble.

[00:49:51] If you can't stay out of trouble,

[00:49:53] at least be good at getting out of trouble.

[00:49:56] And we'll talk to you another week.

[00:49:57] Bye guys.