Matter of Facts: Doomscrolling until SHTF

[00:00:00] Welcome back to the Matterfax Podcast on The Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping

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[00:00:16] out our affiliate partners. I'm your host Phil Rabbley and my co-host Andrew Bobo

[00:00:20] is on the airs of the mic and here's your show. Welcome back to Matterfax Podcast for

[00:00:25] those of you all that saw the post on Instagram and Facebook. We had a little bit of a technical

[00:00:30] difficulty with last week's show because for a podcast or a case of Larry and Jyatt,

[00:00:34] this is kind of a career ending injury and that's where I was last week. On the day that

[00:00:42] Andrew and I were supposed to record, I sounded like Mickey Mouse. That would have been

[00:00:46] really fun. Oh it would have been hilarious. I honestly, that morning, it wasn't completely

[00:00:52] gone. Y'all could probably still hear it. Still not at 100% but I'm much better than

[00:00:57] I was. But like that morning, the reason I didn't throw the penalty flag out first thing

[00:01:03] that morning and say dude we're done is it sounded bad but if I kind of like if I didn't

[00:01:11] push my voice, if I whispered a little bit, I could still, I had most of my voice still.

[00:01:15] So I was like okay, I can do a roll in and say this is the Matterfax ASMR episode and you

[00:01:21] know, turn my gain up a little bit and whisper into the mic and I thought I could pull that

[00:01:25] off. And then by the afternoon, my voice had completely and totally gone. I mean, even

[00:01:32] whispering for more than about 50 or 20 seconds and my vocal cords just quit. So needless

[00:01:39] to say, this is the most talking I've done in like three days which my wife has been very

[00:01:45] appreciative of the peace and quiet. I was gonna say she's probably holy crap like really

[00:01:51] quiet. Yes, yes, everybody knows I'm a talker. That's my personality but it's given me lots

[00:01:59] of time for quiet reflection because there was no louder reflection going on. Does everyone

[00:02:06] still not just giggling like does she say you know from Zobyland? Does she ever say hey

[00:02:12] Phil, do you ever play the quiet game? No, no. Should play the quiet game. No, although my

[00:02:18] sister that you met this past year at the Matterfax, the Matterfax camping trip, she sees

[00:02:24] the post on Instagram and says hey if you need anything, holla at us. And I was like oh

[00:02:30] you butthead. Just texturing all caps. I need this. It was one of those moments in time where

[00:02:40] I was like oh you could do is just giggle. You know, who can you rely upon to give you crap

[00:02:45] in your moment of weakness but you know friends and friends and family. Right? But so that's

[00:02:51] where I was. But we got a couple of topics to hit up today. One of which is actually coming

[00:02:57] straight out at the very last ones actually coming straight out of the Matterfax, the

[00:03:02] patron group because they kind of got my gears turning with something that Kyle Wilson has

[00:03:08] taken over for us recently. But we'll save that for the end. So I guess to start with,

[00:03:14] like what have we been working on? Because you know we used to do this thing forever ago

[00:03:19] it seems like what are you doing in prepping and it was a weekly mini topic of like what

[00:03:26] are you doing? And then I think we got out of the habit because we had a couple of weeks

[00:03:29] of just not really much happening like adult stuff came up. So I don't think that's going

[00:03:35] to be a weekly thing but I do think it merits talking about when there's like something

[00:03:39] we're investigating, testing, working on, working towards. And like most people know that

[00:03:46] recently after years of procrastinating I finally started dipping my hand into off-grid

[00:03:54] communications and there's a lot of ham operators out there that have already taken me to task

[00:04:01] pretty hard for not getting a ham, a basic ham license which it's on my radar I'm going

[00:04:08] to do it for myself. But like my problem with ham is that the barrier to entry involves

[00:04:14] testing and involves studying and things that A, I am unlikely to get my wife to do and

[00:04:21] B, I am not going to get my 11 year old to do. So if there's a radio system or set of frequencies

[00:04:28] that requires that for me to be able to talk to my wife and daughter, regardless of how good

[00:04:33] it is from a technical standpoint it does not suit my needs. As opposed to getting into

[00:04:39] GMRS which I recently did which was a $35 license figuring out the most abominable 1995

[00:04:48] Compuserve website I've ever seen in my life. And you know, to criticize the federal government

[00:04:53] for just a moment but for the amount of taxes we pay, y'all could really update the FCC's

[00:04:58] website a little bit to make it more user friendly. Just saying, just putting that out there

[00:05:03] that stuff that was ridiculous. Yes, Holly, we love you too and Stuart and hope we're not going

[00:05:14] to start over again. You just missed it but it was just as BS in any way so no great loss there.

[00:05:20] So yeah, I did recently get a GMRS license picked up a pair of radios and I've been dipping

[00:05:26] myself into that a little at a time. I mean like we've talked about on this show before like

[00:05:34] financial responsibility is a thing and I do have a monthly budget that I stick to when it comes

[00:05:39] to spending money on quote unquote, prepperish stuff so it's going to have to be done in stages.

[00:05:45] I've actually got a an upgraded antenna sitting back there that needs to go on the truck

[00:05:50] with the adapters I need to plug it into this handheld so I can get a little more range out of it

[00:05:55] and that will probably be the solution over time until I can put a dedicated probably like a 15

[00:06:03] or 25 wide rig into the truck but again, it's all the idea that like GMRS is what fits my needs

[00:06:12] mostly because the barrier to entry is fairly limited and I can get my entire media family

[00:06:19] legally licensed under my license so my wife, my daughter if we're out camping with my sister

[00:06:26] my brother lock and throw them a radio they can use my call sign like that's what fits my needs.

[00:06:32] Ham, I'd love to get into eventually but if I can't get everybody else in my my immediate group

[00:06:40] to get licensed with ham then that just doesn't serve me. You know what I'm saying bud?

[00:06:47] Yeah, I mean it still isn't hard to, you know you have the GMRS radio but I'd still get a ham

[00:06:53] radio just to listen because you can listen and you don't have to broadcast without a without a

[00:07:01] license you can have you don't need a license to listen so and then those cases of extreme emergencies

[00:07:09] you can broadcast. Yeah we'll call over the radio but we'll call what it is. I know I see what you're

[00:07:14] saying and I mean if it fits your needs, if it fits your needs so you know the GMRS, GMRS, GMRS

[00:07:22] yeah still waking up but yeah so yeah no that fits your budget if that fits your needs rather than

[00:07:29] so be it use that more part to you. Yeah and I actually I do have a tentative commitment from

[00:07:37] a listener of ours to come on the show and like talk to us about Ham and GMRS because he is

[00:07:42] familiar with both of them. At least the last time I talked to him he was a little shy about

[00:07:47] having his face or his last name beyond the podcast which I totally understand I get like for

[00:07:53] people that are not in content creation they usually like to maintain their anonymity and I am

[00:07:58] okay with that but I've been looking for somebody that come on the show and talk to us about Ham

[00:08:04] and GMRS because I know only as much as I know and I feel like I could talk semi-intelligently

[00:08:12] about it but I'd much rather have somebody that knows it better than I do. You know what I mean?

[00:08:18] Yes Stewart yes yes yes I plan to get a UHF VHF radio as well. I plan to get my technician class

[00:08:27] license but everything is always in a priority list and my priority list was get this set up first

[00:08:35] because this is what I can use to talk to my wife and kid and the fact that it will piggyback onto

[00:08:41] those FRS radios back there just makes it all more useful because like we still use those when we're

[00:08:46] around the neighborhood. I know that those FRS radios range wise will reach from one end of this

[00:08:52] neighborhood to the other. I am still waiting for an opportunity to stretch out these GMRS radios

[00:08:58] and see what kind of range I can get out of those in this environment. So that's kind of what I've

[00:09:07] been working on. Yeah there was of course now I'm now his stuff does not pop up at all on YouTube

[00:09:17] but there's a I cannot think of the frickin name of the guy. Basically it's a ham, ham crash course

[00:09:29] ham radio crash course yeah um which I thought about reaching on to him as well. I actually before I

[00:09:37] crashed my phone and by crashed my phone I forgot my password and had to manually do a whole reset

[00:09:42] on my phone before all that happened and I lost access to Instagram again. I put it out there

[00:09:52] about you know who to get on and he came highly recommended from multiple people sent messages

[00:09:59] saying this guy so I was going to reach out to him and about coming on too so we got options

[00:10:06] I just needed to and after the show I need to get my access back to the Instagram for the show because

[00:10:15] yeah I locked um you know forget you forget the password on your phone and

[00:10:19] had to manually do a manual reset and I lost everything so you're too young to be doing that man

[00:10:24] not not. There was no stanchial limitations on forgetting stuff that screws you over

[00:10:32] for I as soon as I started seeing Gray and my beard I started playing the C9 old man. You know what?

[00:10:37] I mean it may not show on camera but if you get a close enough like there is some there are some salt

[00:10:44] mix in with this pepper back here and then of course you know the

[00:10:49] I might I can't see anything there my male pattern baldness is just in full effect that's

[00:10:54] the annoying part about going bald in your 30s and 40s though is I still have enough hair on the sides

[00:11:00] that it shows it's just on the top that it's bald so you should shave your head. I told my wife

[00:11:06] I'm about this close to getting a skull shaver or something and just doing it every day and keeping

[00:11:12] it up because like you know when my hair was thin on the top but I had hair on the sides I could go

[00:11:18] like a couple of weeks and then buzz it all down real short and now I'm at the point where like

[00:11:23] three days after she cuts it you can plainly see that I'm just bald as hell on top so it's like

[00:11:29] what what am I doing here? Yeah I have hair and I get sick of it so I shave it off you can't

[00:11:37] shave it off. Yeah well I shaved it off for years and then it got so pissed off at me it stopped

[00:11:41] growing that's my that's my my going theory. Stuart saying also try to get someone on that knows

[00:11:51] about off-grid mesh networking. I've been looking into mesh yeah that is interesting.

[00:11:56] Okay so go-tana and mesh tastic I've looked into my immediate my my gut check reaction when

[00:12:06] I looked in the go-tana was that I think and I could be wrong but it's seemed in the back of my head

[00:12:12] I remember searching that very late at night and I seem to remember the price point being like

[00:12:18] that sounds like something good for a mag but for a small group or an individual it seems prohibitively

[00:12:23] cost you know costly and I could be wrong I could have been thinking about something else but

[00:12:28] what got me looking in a mesh networking was actually a tech and i-tech and all that which

[00:12:36] if you're on an Android you can make it work with mesh networking and radio if you're on iPhone

[00:12:41] with i-tech you can't that's a whole whole other discussion. i-tech and a-tech for anybody that's

[00:12:47] never used either one they're interesting programs they have really cool use cases I just don't

[00:12:53] know how much they fit into the average preparedness scenario you know I'm saying

[00:13:01] I mostly dabbled them because it was just it was interesting technology and I'm wired that way

[00:13:05] there's something's interesting I'm gonna look into it just satisfy my curiosity but we've

[00:13:10] gotten way off topic do you want to let the listeners in on what you're working on or

[00:13:15] do we just save it for later it's not I mean it's so I mean everybody knows I bought a truck

[00:13:24] what? so yeah Andrew and the way the high-lux gang everybody it's gonna convert their shit into

[00:13:31] technicals when the shtf kicks off. i've been looking at what it would take to mount a 15 in the back

[00:13:38] so a friend with a mig welder right so no I bought so i have i bought the dectora system

[00:13:46] i installed that and then which it took me a lot longer than

[00:13:52] i wanted it to it to it basically was an all-day project i was by i was doing it myself

[00:13:57] and every once in a while it was funny because i was doing it because basically it got delivered

[00:14:00] the it got delivered the friday or like the day i was going up north to my parents

[00:14:05] it got delivered so i ripped the box apart through everything and the better the truck

[00:14:09] and then drove up to my mom dad's and installed at the next day

[00:14:13] and so every once in a while like my dad come out and he would kind of look and he'd make fun

[00:14:16] and he's like hey you're still working on this blah blah blah and in the directions it even says

[00:14:21] like you know get a friend and have beers kind of thing and i so i asked him i said well

[00:14:27] i didn't have any help he goes you don't offer any beer i was like that's true but no it was it

[00:14:31] was good because the one thing i'm looking at and and i mean so yeah so anyway i got the

[00:14:37] got that installed i'm looking at or i have the bed rack in the garage that i need to install

[00:14:42] and then i also just got the rooftop tent delivered so i have everything set up i'm looking at

[00:14:49] because a buddy of mine are talking about going camping at the end of this month

[00:14:53] so i think i'm gonna try i need to try to get it set up for the end of this month

[00:14:57] but anyway one thing that i'm working on is i'm looking at starting my own youtube channel

[00:15:02] basically basically what it's gonna consist of is the truck and i'm just gonna

[00:15:08] as i buy modifications for it uh it's basically the one thing that i see on these youtube channels

[00:15:16] recently or that are out there right now is yeah a lot of guys you do see some stuff that are

[00:15:20] okay i'm in my garage and i'm putting the rooftop tent on or i'm putting this on or whatever

[00:15:25] but when it comes to putting aftermarket bumpers on read you know doing your shocks and

[00:15:31] your the leaf springs and all kinds of stuff like that like for something you don't see

[00:15:39] any way i don't anyway for like on the toilet for the toilet aside

[00:15:42] i see a lot of stuff that are they're doing it in like almost professional shops like

[00:15:47] they raise the truck up they have the lift they have everything you need to

[00:15:50] everything you need to be manageable one of my good friends he does have he's a mechanic

[00:15:55] uh he does have a small shop nothing like crazy like what you see online but him and i and he's

[00:16:01] a youtuber as well uh and he's got his own channel um car's well customs and he like post all that

[00:16:07] kind of stuff too so in collaboration i think i was looking at starting a youtube channel just

[00:16:13] basically taking the truck doing like some camping stuff trying to review some gear

[00:16:19] uh just doing my own little setup and then uh doing some aftermarket like the like there's a few

[00:16:24] bumpers that you know i'm looking at different bumpers now i'm looking at couple um the front

[00:16:29] rear bumpers and it just basically showing in a normal shop that guy that might just everybody has

[00:16:37] like if you have these tools uh and then just kind of showing how to do it and uh without the without

[00:16:45] the lift and all that stuff so i don't know i mean i'm sure there's stuff out there

[00:16:50] but it was just an idea and then just i don't know i'm just trying to figure out something else to

[00:16:53] get my interest uh just because my crazy work schedule it's hard to record and it's hard to um

[00:17:01] it's it's hard to keep interest in something when you can't do it as often as you want so

[00:17:06] i'm trying to uh find something just to keep that interest and then it's going to be fun i mean

[00:17:12] yeah so so yeah and then uh like he's getting into Michigan just past some stuff about spear fishing

[00:17:19] uh and everything so he's buying like spear fishing gear so we're talking about a couple

[00:17:25] trips uh that we're gonna make to the Great Lakes and do some spear fishing and stuff like that so

[00:17:31] i don't know it's it's just a kind of in the phase right now the planning phase i'm still trying

[00:17:35] to come up with like a name uh for the youtube channel and stuff like that so uh so yeah so

[00:17:42] that's kind of in the works i don't expect it anytime soon um or if at all i don't know it might

[00:17:48] just fall through the cracks but we'll see um but other than that there the thing working on is

[00:17:53] i just put the paperwork in for another suppressor and this is number what for you

[00:17:58] um let's see i have a 30 cow when you have to count five five six four yeah this is

[00:18:08] think number four uh so yeah so that i'm buying this is going to be it's a 45

[00:18:15] uh it's it's rated for full auto 458 uh um

[00:18:21] um god i need to wake up sooner so like get the fog on my head um basically it's 45 uh but

[00:18:29] what's nice is that's gonna cover obvi c9 millimeter and my biggest one though is i need to look into

[00:18:35] it but 4570 government so i have a lever action marlin lever action i need to look into getting

[00:18:41] that threaded the barrel on that threaded and then uh i will hunt with a suppressed 4570 which

[00:18:52] is silly quiet makes you giggle i mean for everything i read on it if it'll work for 4570

[00:18:57] but ostensibly also work for 458 socom and you've got enough lowers you could build an upper for

[00:19:04] that that's yeah but i don't want to buy and i don't want to do another caliber so 458 socom

[00:19:13] upper is still on my list somewhere it's just my my my hold up right now is that given the state

[00:19:21] of the reloading community and the availability components and power and everything else

[00:19:26] i am so adamantly opposed to getting into another cartridge i have to stock for

[00:19:34] and reload for when i'm already trying to build up my stock pile of things i already have

[00:19:40] and that's that's what keeps me out of 4-5 day ad socom on top of that no i mean i can run

[00:19:46] what would i do with it right no i mean yeah i can run 450 socom uh 460 rolling

[00:19:52] and uh 4570 450 bushmaster 45 long coal 45 super magnum 44 special 40 40 caliber

[00:20:02] um 20 you know 229 miller 300 blackout which the 300 blackout wouldn't be too bad either

[00:20:07] i do have parts that i got it from another uh a our build when prices went through the roof i

[00:20:13] gutted my 300 blackout build so but yeah so anyway i mean and then the one thing i know this is

[00:20:18] going to be kind of a bigger a larger suppressor than what it's needed but uh i i like to buy for

[00:20:25] multi-cale and then buy um specific later on do i might still buy like a 9 millimeter something

[00:20:32] like that down the road i don't know um i don't see it right now but uh but like i got my my scorpion

[00:20:39] and then i have a stride bog as well and so i was looking at like the scorpion um set it up for

[00:20:44] kind of more of a close quarters subgun and then uh but you know maybe some i can throw in the backpack

[00:20:51] set it up for night vision uh and then also put a trilogger with trilogger adapter on it

[00:20:57] and then that way i can throw this can on it and this can uh you can it does actually

[00:21:03] it does have the ability to kind of shrink actually in size so i had you know it's just like the 22

[00:21:09] can from rugged that i have basically there's a section that you can actually unscrew the top

[00:21:15] unscrew it and then you can make it actually more modular so it actually will come down

[00:21:20] and it's not by much but uh it is uh so it but the downside is is it does uh decrease your baffles

[00:21:28] so when you're losing baffles you're losing it's not it's not gonna be asked suppressed so but going

[00:21:34] for what's that i was gonna say remind me on your scorpion it's it's not a micro right it's uh

[00:21:40] it's like seven seven half inch barrel no it's no it's the the shorting so you got the micro

[00:21:45] with like the five and a half inch barrel okay hb industries i'm 99% sure they sell

[00:21:52] the five and a half inch barrels with the trilogger already built into them instead of having like

[00:21:57] an adapter the screws on and then you have one more thing that potentially work its way loose

[00:22:02] just yeah i mean it i guess yeah i have a trilog uh i have an adapter already uh that i

[00:22:08] haven't put on anything um so i'll probably do that i know i'm talking one of my good friends

[00:22:14] uh we were talking about it and basically if it's something that's gonna be permanent

[00:22:18] i'm just gonna uh not uh basically get some of the uh oh not jb well but basically you get

[00:22:25] some of that rock set yep and put some rock set on it and it's not going anywhere true uh so that was

[00:22:31] my idea was do something like that especially if it's gonna be permanent which probably will be

[00:22:37] but yeah so that's what uh that's kind of what i've been working on and then obviously just

[00:22:43] you know i'll just still try to uh yeah i don't even know just i i just working on so much crap

[00:22:51] i thought i had my area around my safe and stuff i finally had it kind of like organized

[00:22:56] and then i brought a bunch more stuff from when i moved i stored at my parents and so now it looks

[00:23:01] like um my safe area looks like it something threw up over there again so i need to

[00:23:06] reorganize but it's all good to join in the ranks of home ownership is not

[00:23:11] it's not a move-in get the keys and you're done process it's a multi-year

[00:23:16] unfudging your area process yeah so yeah so i'm throwing this in because this this came to my

[00:23:26] attention just yesterday um you may not be familiar with twin bros 3d printing or

[00:23:34] Hoffman tactical or what the super safety is but stop me if you are

[00:23:40] continue okay so there's a youtuber called Hoffman tactical and he 3d prints

[00:23:47] shooting things that that's like if you're curious about him go look up on youtube

[00:23:52] actually has a lot of pretty cool content um psr print shoot repeat has also done a lot of content

[00:23:58] using his products inviting him on the on the that show and you know anything far and related

[00:24:04] i'm gonna at least pay a little bit of attention to because that's my wheelhouse but um one of

[00:24:10] things Hoffman tactical recently designed and released the files for is the so-called super safety

[00:24:16] which it is a push button safety for the air 15 platform that replaces the traditional rotating

[00:24:25] safety selector and what it does is it engages the safety anytime the bolt is out of battery

[00:24:35] so let's think about this you pull the trigger the bolt starts to move comes out of battery

[00:24:41] it flips the safety on which resets the trigger and like pushes your finger forward

[00:24:47] it then if you continue to hold rearward pressure when the bolt goes back into battery it releases

[00:24:52] the safety and you can pull the trigger again so what he's done is basically and what i think he

[00:24:59] set out to do even though he didn't specifically front it this way is i think he has attempted

[00:25:06] to create a device that is the force reset trigger taken to the next level where because it is

[00:25:14] literally engaging the safety between shots there is absolutely no rational argument that the

[00:25:20] ATF can make under the existing framework of the laws to say that this is a machine gun part

[00:25:25] because it does not fire multiple shots per function of the trigger because it literally

[00:25:31] you pull the trigger the the super safety turns the safety on and then releases the safety

[00:25:37] and then you pull the trigger again like it does not allow you to use the legislation as currently written

[00:25:45] however he designed a print of these out of p out of a PLA and that doesn't last very long

[00:25:52] so twin bros 3d printing which uses metal additive manufacturing started manufacturing and selling

[00:25:59] these things made out of metal and apparently yesterday the ATF kicked in their front door

[00:26:06] there's a chunk of the audience hey for a rebel frackle there's a chunk of the audience that is

[00:26:13] probably out there along with a good chunk of the internet by the way that is like rolling the

[00:26:17] rise like you literally were selling machine gun parts you morons how did you think you're going to

[00:26:22] get away with this but then there's a chunk of the internet that says the law is written the way

[00:26:29] it is and this does not fit the letter of the law so what's the ATF doing so I don't know

[00:26:37] I think the ATF is going to ATF I mean yeah that's a thing is they they're they they're going

[00:26:44] to take an account of what they think their law since they rewrote the definition

[00:26:53] and it's gonna be interesting because we'll see the bump stock ban the bump stock hearing of the

[00:26:57] supreme court still has not been I've not seen any judgment yeah there hasn't been

[00:27:05] yeah and so it'll be interesting to see what that when that when that comes out what happens

[00:27:13] because that'll change a lot of stuff especially if like frt and even this and stuff like that but

[00:27:18] but still even then I mean whether you think they're selling machine gun parts or not like

[00:27:24] I mean the end of it should be disposed should be done away with regardless well then if a

[00:27:28] yeah the NFA should be done I mean the NFA should be done away with faster than the ATF should be

[00:27:32] disband but yeah that's a thing though is they're exercising their second amendment right

[00:27:39] and if you look at the way this trigger moves and operates rather it move like it forced reset

[00:27:45] yeah just like the frt's your trigger or your finger does move forward and you have to pull the

[00:27:50] trigger again it's literally it's going by the definition of what the ATF and Congress and all

[00:27:57] that crap is what they and what they deemed to be a machine gun versus not a machine gun just

[00:28:03] because we found a workaround and the people found a workaround and everything it's just pissing

[00:28:08] the government off and so they're sitting there and they're like well what can we do more to stomp

[00:28:13] the boot and yeah they don't want anything resembling even close to having they don't want the common

[00:28:20] man to have a machine gun that they have anything close to it that they have they don't want

[00:28:25] other citizenry to have the same technology that they have because then it puts them at a level

[00:28:31] level plane plane field and they don't like that they want it the government wants to have the upper

[00:28:38] hand and because of something where ever happened they don't want the people to be able to fight back

[00:28:44] see the only thing about that scenario not that I completely disagree with you that that makes

[00:28:49] me curl my lip up is this idea that if the common man had super safeties or frt's or whatever else

[00:28:56] that puts them on par with the government and the governments need to stomp the boot harder is to

[00:29:02] maintain a maintain like a oh Jesus I'm drawing a total blank on what the word I was trying to use

[00:29:12] basically like the government in order to maintain our safety or maintain their own safety really

[00:29:18] has to have a has to have superior firepower over the common man but then I always point out to people

[00:29:25] I'm like okay let's let's think about this for just one moment the state the government because

[00:29:32] I don't I lump all elements of the state in together at this point I don't care for talking about

[00:29:37] the ATF the FBI the CIA I don't care for talking about the secret service I don't care for talking

[00:29:41] about the the standing military I don't care you you are all part of the same big conglomerate

[00:29:48] and one day you're probably going to get an order that's going to cause you to have a conglomerate

[00:29:52] a stroke of conscience and you're going to have to decide if you want to buck that or not

[00:29:56] but all that being inside the point but we're talking about the people that like if you piss

[00:30:00] the government off bad enough they will put a fricken bearcat in your front yard with a swat teen

[00:30:06] and if that doesn't get the point across they will send the fricken national guard to your address

[00:30:10] like the state has limitless resources to pour into a single area to fix a problem their way and

[00:30:19] their way is always to stomp on people until they comply I mean look at fricken wayco

[00:30:25] if anybody want if anybody because that came up on my radar more recently um

[00:30:29] windagume did on youtube did a really really good job of breaking down that whole debacle

[00:30:35] and I think probably the most fair way humanly possible because like let's call with

[00:30:39] as david kresh was probably not a not a great guy but the government was so worried about him

[00:30:43] touching kids that they burnt down a building full of women and children i'm just saying little

[00:30:49] little odd so like I just I cast out this idea that they need a firepower advantage

[00:30:56] to to to main control may take control of the populace my point of view is if the laws you were trying

[00:31:02] to enforce are so greaches and so on popular that you have to literally point a gun at people to

[00:31:06] enforce the majority for enforce with the majority of them your laws are probably wrong

[00:31:11] and you are too and that's kind of where I come down on this whole issue of like the super

[00:31:16] safeties and the frt's and everything else obviously a very large purport even obviously there's

[00:31:23] a large enough proportion of the gun community that thinks that law is stupid and every little work

[00:31:29] around they can find to get around it and comply with the letter of the law they're embracing

[00:31:35] and every time they do that the state has to stick their their boot on their neck because they

[00:31:40] can't tolerate dissent instead of like having that that moment of are we the baddies yes y'all

[00:31:47] are the baddies yes the thing you're trying to think you're trying to force people to not do

[00:31:53] is immoral on the face of it I just I'm not gonna well I'm gonna get into it again

[00:31:59] I don't have the boys for today I'm just well that but what I'm saying is like what I'm saying

[00:32:05] when I'm referring to is when I'm saying like you know they don't want the people to have even

[00:32:10] close to what the technology is they have as far as like follow and belt fed all this crap like

[00:32:16] you I know like what you're I feel like I feel like I get what you're saying but at the same time

[00:32:26] but that's what I'm saying but that's what I'm trying to say is like they don't want anything close

[00:32:29] to it yeah like they don't want a single thing that could even resemble or give even the slightest

[00:32:37] advantage or you know yeah advantage we're never gonna have them unadvanced over a that's something

[00:32:43] that's a full auto it's never gonna happen but giving the idea that given the people something

[00:32:50] that could even resemble or give them a kind of like get their foot up off the ground a little bit

[00:32:55] to be able to do something more no that's not gonna happen so so yeah so that's where that's

[00:33:01] what I'm saying that's and that's what they don't like and so you're seeing it's it's gonna

[00:33:07] happen more often and if you look at some of the states I think orcon Washington state one of

[00:33:13] the two I don't remember now they there's a bill that basically it gots FFLs completely got

[00:33:20] some I mean in Michigan here in Michigan I mean they just pat they pass laws that make it harder

[00:33:26] for people to buy a firearm if you don't have a CPL now is do I the do I think that everybody should

[00:33:34] have CPLs yeah it should make it makes things a lot easier to purchase a firearm do I think CPLs

[00:33:39] are needed no I don't think we should hey I don't think we need to pay and Michigan we got to

[00:33:43] pay a hundred and fifteen dollars every five years just to get permission to get to exercise our

[00:33:49] right really to conceal carry it's ridiculous now what I could see is is now that this happened

[00:33:57] this law passed I could see them jack up the price for CPLs they would never I could see happen

[00:34:04] yeah not the government the government has your best interests at heart well it's not like the

[00:34:08] government doesn't have a well a well documented history of applying a quote unquote tax to something

[00:34:15] that they really want you to stop doing it's like no no we're not we're not trampling on your rights

[00:34:21] you can you can have a machine gun you just have to be able to you know go through an FBI

[00:34:26] FBI background check pay a two hundred dollar tax stamp and then pay anywhere from like what 12

[00:34:31] grand on the low end up to well over a hundred thousand dollars for a legit trades for a one

[00:34:36] machine gun because we fix the price employee because we fixed the supply which jack the cost

[00:34:41] up through the roof you can have you can have your rights you can conceal carry a firearm no problem

[00:34:46] you just have to jump through all the hoops and you have to pay the freaking money you have to do

[00:34:49] all the crap we said we're not we're not tamping down on your rights we're just taxing them

[00:34:56] I mean I after after saying all this I think I mean it is funny because like I just put it in

[00:35:01] for what my fourth suppressor so you're I'm paying a two hundred dollar tax stamp per suppressor

[00:35:06] and but it's one of those things where I like my hearing and so when I go shoot it's nice to have

[00:35:12] a quiet gun and and you gotta it's and that's the thing is like you got to pay to play yeah

[00:35:19] and if you want a suppressor you got to do it something that should be over the counter

[00:35:23] not regulated at all is so yeah so I don't know it's it's definitely it'll be interesting to see

[00:35:33] where this goes because obviously they rated them they're probably gonna sit there and be like

[00:35:37] well we want your guys as servers and we want your guys is uh you're they've already said they didn't

[00:35:43] keep any customer records good they should know that's a thing is they'll go to their shipping company

[00:35:48] get them from them but you know yeah or credit card I mean it's they're they're already like if

[00:35:55] if anybody's not familiar with it they're they came out that there's a whole another list uh

[00:36:01] that basically the government has been keeping uh basically putting the American people on a list

[00:36:08] again uh basically building dossiers and profiles on American citizens uh and they're and they're

[00:36:15] using every tactic imaginable I mean they're looking at history like I mean they're probably looking

[00:36:19] at search history they're looking at purchase history they're going to credit cards you're going

[00:36:23] to banks and they're actually they're not even presented a warrant and these banks are actually

[00:36:27] just here you go here's the information they're requesting the information without a warrant

[00:36:33] and these companies are just handing it over because they're shits well no they're excited

[00:36:39] they're handed over because they don't they want to they want to be on the side of right

[00:36:44] right being all they think is right well no no I was saying that sarcastically they want to be on

[00:36:49] the side of not having their own business turned upside down because they tried to stick it to the man

[00:36:57] which right is cuckledry of the first order but that's just well I mean you see you see what's

[00:37:03] happening when that when that happens I mean the new york uh the new york mayor uh

[00:37:09] even though like as much as I hate that dude and he's a fricking debag uh he's he's been speaking out

[00:37:15] recently about the buy-in regime and the uh the immigrants or the illegal immigration and all

[00:37:21] this crap and lo and behold he gets raided and there are some charges up against him now and all

[00:37:26] kinds of stuff and you know whether I don't like care for the guy at all but still I mean

[00:37:32] that's exactly what they're I mean look at Trump I mean I'm not the biggest fan of Trump

[00:37:36] but they're they're doing everything they can to not to make it so he cannot run

[00:37:42] if that's not election interference I don't know what is I mean the fact that

[00:37:47] leftist states and leftist attorneys and judges and all kinds of crap we're pulling him off

[00:37:52] the ballot based off something that he wasn't even convicted on it

[00:37:58] it it that right there that is election fraud like you can't tell me it's not

[00:38:05] it's so anyway that's that's a different rebel whole it's not it's not when the party in power does

[00:38:10] it right so this came but this was actually what we were going to talk about last week but then

[00:38:17] you know cold flu season decided to pay me out unscheduled visit so yeah yeah yeah look

[00:38:26] I should have called you up just so you could I should have recorded it what I sounded like it was

[00:38:31] it was interterious well it was hilarious because let's call it what it is like you've met me

[00:38:36] I don't have like a super deep boomy voice but I sounded like Mickey Mouse it was again would have

[00:38:43] been funny it was hilarious and frustrating in equal parts I would have pulled up some clips of

[00:38:49] Donald Duck to go along with it okay the next time I get laran jitus what we'll do that

[00:38:55] but yeah doom scrolling the pit of worry so I happen to be

[00:39:02] I don't do it often because Reddit is a cesspool of humanity

[00:39:07] but there are a couple of communities that have pretty good information on Reddit and those are

[00:39:11] the ones I tend stick to there is actually an R-backslash prepping that I have completely just shed

[00:39:19] because I don't know that that group there there's a broad spectrum of preparedness and

[00:39:26] I just don't feel like most of the people in that group are my people personally but um

[00:39:33] I did notice a thread pop up and they were talking about like prepping for specific emergencies

[00:39:40] and then this inevitably started the downward spiral of people that were like oh well have you

[00:39:45] heard about this and have you heard about this and have you heard about this and it was just like this

[00:39:48] this litany of people who are very obviously scrolling through Instagram or TikTok or whatever

[00:39:55] whatever your flavor social media is and every little bit of doom every little bit of fear porn

[00:40:01] that popped up in front of their face was the new thing to be worried about and that became their focus

[00:40:07] we're gonna get new tomorrow I need I need um what the hell is it called the little thing that makes

[00:40:12] the clacking noise when radiation supplies oh got your car yeah I need a got your counter I need gas

[00:40:18] mass I need this I need that and it's it turns in like this this the snake eating its own tail

[00:40:25] of rushing headfirst from one emergency into another and just as soon as you start to prepping

[00:40:32] for that emergency you find some new bit of fear porn in your doom scrolling and you got to go prep

[00:40:36] for that too and this got me thinking about like some introspective thinking about our own community

[00:40:43] because like I have really tried really really hard to never fall victim to that and to push back

[00:40:49] against that because my point of view is we all have the same base needs at the end of the day we need

[00:40:54] food, water, shelter you know and we need the ability to maintain ourselves so that's security

[00:41:00] and medical and like if you focus on I need to cover those base needs then the emergency

[00:41:07] you're prepping for should be a secondary concern and I really I really get uncomfortable with this

[00:41:12] idea that there's a there's a population of people out there that are just scrolling through one

[00:41:18] one scary thing after another is carrying the hell out of themselves and indulging in doom scrolling

[00:41:25] I don't think it's productive I think it is actually unproductive like directly

[00:41:31] unproductive because I think what it does um okay so forgive me I'm going to date myself but you

[00:41:38] remember the the looney tunes kit when like a looney tune usually I think it was daffy duck he

[00:41:43] get hit with a hammer and when the hammer would lift up there's like five little five little

[00:41:47] ducks running around you know in a melee before they all come back together that's the way I

[00:41:52] envisioned this oddly enough it's like you get so frazzled and your your attention is going

[00:41:58] in so many different directions that you just don't do anything you turn into this chaotic little

[00:42:02] creature that can't focus your attention and can't focus in a direction to do something positive

[00:42:09] because your your attention is so distributed in so many different directions you become reactive

[00:42:18] not proactive you don't become you you stop being a prepper and you start being a person with a

[00:42:25] debit card and an Amazon account that is freaking out over one thing after the other and then

[00:42:31] buying stuff to prepare for something and then you're never going to practice with it or use it or

[00:42:36] make it useful because by the time it shows up in the mail you've got a new thing to be scared as

[00:42:40] hell about does any of that sound like an unfair characterization I mean I know I'm I'm I'm I'm

[00:42:46] just kind of like letting my thoughts out here um I found a Geiger counter Geiger counter on

[00:42:52] ready made resources if you want one not really no I mean but the but the fear sells and

[00:43:01] and honestly why did we get into preparedness it's it's not necessarily fear but it was just

[00:43:09] preparing for something down the road that is just the possibility of happening I mean I know we

[00:43:13] talk about preparedness comes in all kinds of different shapes and sizes and if you have a

[00:43:19] bank account you're basically preparing for you're basically a proper if you have a bank account and

[00:43:23] if you you know keep a spare tire kit and your spare tire or inflatable kit and whatever you had

[00:43:28] whatever have you you know you're in a sense and a proper but but that's a thing is like fear

[00:43:33] sells and so and that's what a lot of these you know the some of these shows and stuff like that

[00:43:39] they want to build on that fear and they want to get that that little nugget in the you know

[00:43:44] when people's heads because it's like well hey uh it's gonna it's gonna sell so it's just the

[00:43:51] matter of having the willpower and having that discipline to kind of sit back and all right what do I

[00:43:57] need what do I what do I do not or what don't I need uh because you know that's that's the most

[00:44:03] that's the way it should be I mean when my brain started turning after watching like the show

[00:44:09] Jericho and then thinking okay or you know it not necessarily um nuclear disaster nuclear

[00:44:18] holocaust or whatever something new whatever it I was thinking okay if the power would

[00:44:22] ago out what is what's gonna have what do I have what can I do stuff like that now does that

[00:44:28] does my brain go to well if the power goes out and never comes back on like well yeah it

[00:44:33] it travels to that often uh but uh at the same time it's like you keep it in check and and that's

[00:44:41] a thing is you just you're okay well what can I do right now okay well I can get my food in order

[00:44:46] I can get my water in order your guns ammo your medical supplies like that's just every day I mean

[00:44:52] having working on your food supply working on your water supply uh especially if you live in the

[00:44:58] city I mean heck even if you don't live in a city if you if you have a well I mean you should have

[00:45:03] you should have a water supply in case your well goes out uh the water the city I mean that's

[00:45:08] I'm building up my water ever since I moved to Ionia uh it has a I've been building my

[00:45:16] water supply just because of if a if the city water goes out uh if there's a if there's a

[00:45:22] pipe burst or if something's going on and you get a contamination something happens in the water

[00:45:28] is contaminated uh and so they have a boil advisory stuff like that well I'd rather I'd rather not

[00:45:35] pull like I'd rather be safe and sorry so I'd rather not pull water from the tap if I have to boil

[00:45:39] it rather than I can just go downstairs and I have two liter bottles I have a five gallon jug that's

[00:45:45] full I have all kinds of stuff that you know I have water set aside to where I don't need to boil it

[00:45:51] and I know it's safe so I can just go ahead with my day and I can drink I can drink it I can

[00:45:56] you know go I can go to work in bay if I need to stuff like that so it's just yeah I get that worry

[00:46:02] it I mean it's good to worry uh it's good to think about worst case scenario and try to prepare for

[00:46:08] certain things but keep it in check just have an idea and then just you know don't let it snowball

[00:46:14] that's my biggest thing is you just don't let it snowball and if you buy gear I mean I know people

[00:46:20] with guideger counters I know people with the the smaller ones that it's basically a tabla it's basically a

[00:46:28] it I think I think if I remember I think it'll turn a certain color if it if it detects radiation

[00:46:33] like simple like stuff like that you don't need a full blown guideger counter because you have to

[00:46:37] calibrate it uh it should be calibrated uh so yeah so I don't know I mean and honestly to each

[00:46:43] their own if you have the money and your your panicking and you're buying like crazy buy do it like

[00:46:50] if you have the money go ahead and do it but for the average American we don't have that budget of

[00:46:55] hey I'm just gonna buy this this and this all right now so and that's the thing is upgrade

[00:47:00] I you know like I just upgraded my stove my camping stove uh and the the old one

[00:47:07] am I am I might actually kind of pay it forward a little bit this one was given to me when I didn't

[00:47:11] have one so I might actually pay it forward and give it to you know a friend or something who needs

[00:47:15] one and or keep it for inside the house uh just and get you know in case the power does go out

[00:47:21] and I can't uh however I do have I do have a gas uh range however there's some places some cities

[00:47:29] and stuff they have the ability to shut your gas off if the power goes out your gas will get shut off

[00:47:34] well if that happens what do you do now you know think about that kind of stuff so so yeah I mean

[00:47:40] it's you know and that actually I mean I guess he's not wrong proper comfort not fear which is

[00:47:49] is correct uh and you know what that's what I'm saying is don't let your fear get the best of you

[00:47:56] let it kind of help you build that list and help you kind of think of scenarios or think of okay

[00:48:01] what do I need because that's when sometimes you get ideas but make sure you keep it in check

[00:48:07] I guess that's the part I'm critical of like I just I don't sign off on the idea

[00:48:14] of doing things that are fear motivated like it's like I've told people before whenever

[00:48:19] whenever I get to talk about preparedness and somebody starts to say well that's crazy they'll never

[00:48:23] happen again or they'll never happen and I always point out to them like you know what got me

[00:48:28] started preparing was Hurricane Katrina and you cannot tell me hurricane that a cap for hurricane

[00:48:35] slapping a major metro area will never happen because it has happened and you can't tell me

[00:48:40] it'll never happen again because you're not God or Jesus Christ and you don't know and hurricane

[00:48:46] I had approved a couple of years ago yeah it did happen again so like I I personally think that

[00:48:55] to not from a fear perspective but from like a rash an a calm rational perspective say

[00:49:02] I see this threat on the horizon based on the likelihood that it will befall my family I think

[00:49:10] we should do X and Y and Z so that we're not screwed if it happens and then Bayley like it goes back

[00:49:17] into that whole conversation we've had with um as he's Sam or Mike Ford observer always Mike Mike

[00:49:26] Mike's his real name not his um his stage name I get so confused these days but anyway like

[00:49:35] so like Mike always talks about doing an area study which I like because I think it's a very

[00:49:41] data driven rational way to assess your environment and what threats are likely and what you need to

[00:49:48] do to prepare for them and I like that approach and I think that's where I try to direct people is

[00:49:54] like make a list of all the things that could possibly affect your family and zombie apocalypse

[00:49:59] should be down towards the bottom of the list if we're taught if we're arranged them by in order of

[00:50:03] likelihood and in my case hurricanes are at the top of this because it hurt well hurricanes

[00:50:09] and tornadoes because guess what there's a more than 100% chance that a hurricane or tornado is

[00:50:15] going to befall this family on a long enough timeline it's gonna happen it's where we live

[00:50:20] and then based on what the likelihood is I think I should prepare for these things in this order

[00:50:28] but like I just what worries me about doom scrolling is that whatever is the the emergency or

[00:50:34] the fear point of the moment is what gets focused on and that is very often such a low likelihood

[00:50:42] event that people invest a lot of time and attention in that thing rather than some that's

[00:50:48] much more likely to affect them and the other thing is even above and beyond finances

[00:50:54] I don't like doom scrolling and I don't like to watch time I try to push back against doom scrolling

[00:51:00] because there was a definite there's a definite possibility of burnout from that

[00:51:09] like the human brain is not meant to be scared constantly I'm a military veteran post-traumatic

[00:51:19] stress disorder is a well known thing there's a lot of veterans that came home from Iraq and

[00:51:23] Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms we have we all have a certain level

[00:51:30] of stress we are able to endure first before something bad starts to happen to us

[00:51:36] and I really need to get Eddie to come on the show and talk about stress and trauma and all of that

[00:51:43] because that's his area of expertise and it applies in this world but like that's what doom scrolling

[00:51:49] is it's not the same level of fear or of stress as something literally happening to you but it

[00:51:56] is a latent amount of stress and I worry that over time people that are constantly working themselves

[00:52:02] up into a lather over doom scrolling it's going to have an effect on them emotional one

[00:52:08] and that's harder to deal with like people can work hurt they can work sick they can work through

[00:52:16] a physical injury but when the injury is psychological and emotional that can be very difficult

[00:52:22] for a person to work through so like that's my whole spiel on doom scrolling just don't do it

[00:52:28] like if you're going to prepare prepare from a rational standpoint and don't just fall victim

[00:52:36] to the latest and greatest thing that's designed to scare the hell out of you yes as a marketing

[00:52:41] strategy to make you buy stuff please don't do that and raggle fraggle like personally I think

[00:52:50] it's all a marketing strategy because let's call what it is if you're seeing it on social media

[00:52:55] with very few exceptions it is designed to either get you to spend money

[00:53:01] or to get you to pay attention because the attention is money for them the advertising dollars

[00:53:07] that's all that's all 98% of social media is unless you get some knuckleheads like us who just

[00:53:14] don't do this expecting a paycheck and we do it because we enjoy doing it because we get to

[00:53:18] interface with the community that we identify with so recently one of our patrons Kyle Wilson

[00:53:30] we by the way we do have a group of patrons that helps support the show they kick in a couple

[00:53:36] of bucks a month you know to to whatever they're able to it pays for things like the bandwidth

[00:53:42] that we use and the stream yard and the podcasting and all this stuff and it's not like it buys us

[00:53:49] p-mags and suppressors we have day jobs for that stuff but it definitely offsets the costs of

[00:53:54] the show so that we don't have to spend a couple thousand dollars a year running it which I'm

[00:54:00] infinitely grateful because I ran this podcast that'll last the first two years but anyway

[00:54:08] so one of our patrons in our close chat he has all the conflicted card decks I believe

[00:54:15] and he offered recently to basically pick one out of a deck at random every day

[00:54:20] and drop it into the patron chat as a way to kind of spurn conversation and some of those conversations

[00:54:27] have been interesting but the one thing it got me thinking about was what will shtf look like

[00:54:35] because the thing I noticed about the thing I noticed over the course of a week watching this

[00:54:42] is that when there are instances which I feel like are much closer to our current reality like

[00:54:49] the card that came up the other day was the government has basically cut off like ebt so

[00:54:55] security all the you know all all of the benefits programs and people have started attacking

[00:55:02] grocery shoppers as they're leaving grocery stores and stealing food from them

[00:55:07] what would you do and it was interesting to me that every one of the patrons me included

[00:55:13] if all of us in this group all said almost exactly the same thing plate carriers and rifles roll

[00:55:20] up into the grocery store you know like get the groceries and then get back in the car and leave

[00:55:27] and no one is going to pick a fight with you know a group of armed people in plate carriers with

[00:55:32] rifles they're going to go find somebody else to f with at every one of us said some version of that

[00:55:39] until you have another group with the plate carriers and rifles and that's when you invite more

[00:55:43] friends anyway but the thing it was I think there was one person also mentioned like local militia

[00:55:51] group station in the parking lots outside of the grocery stores to basically say looters you'll

[00:55:56] need to go find a place to be or some bads going to happen to you but it was also a version of that

[00:56:00] now here's the thing I find interesting I could see that being a scenario that would happen after

[00:56:06] a major hurricane or a major disaster where you do have small scale looting and people who are

[00:56:13] open carrying or sign of force are going to naturally be less likely to be victims of that because

[00:56:20] people that stealer people stuff tend to not like to do a lot of heavy lifting or hard work

[00:56:26] they're going to look for a victim and they're going to victimize that person

[00:56:30] and yet in other scenarios that I would say like on the timeline of a collapse this would be

[00:56:36] fairly early in the collapse and then on in other cards or other scenarios that are much further

[00:56:41] along in the collapse like six months to two years I noticed that our answers really spread out

[00:56:47] really wide and far really fast and so it got me thinking Andrew like what would shtf look like

[00:56:57] because I'm getting the impression that like everyone has their own internal idea of what shtf

[00:57:04] would look like and maybe that is a timeline or a perspective but like I've said before that

[00:57:09] like I think shtf in the initial stages is going to look like post-caterina New Orleans it's going

[00:57:15] to look like Venezuela where there's still some kind of working government and law enforcement

[00:57:23] but there's going to be chaos in the streets and it's going to be a slow progression towards something

[00:57:30] but what is that something yeah yeah no I mean I mean honestly I don't know

[00:57:39] I the it could it all depends on picker scenario whether nuclear

[00:57:47] I'm leaning more towards economical something's going to have happened to the economy but

[00:57:53] but no I mean like the whole thing with the ebt cards and stuff like that you you shut that off

[00:57:59] is something where ever happened to that that right there is going to cause riots the fact that

[00:58:04] when people can't if their ebt card goes to crap and they can't use it and they have or they don't

[00:58:09] have any money or something like that that's that's you're that's going to cause some issues

[00:58:15] and that's when you're going to see a lot of looting and stuff like that too but yeah I don't know

[00:58:21] I mean honestly it I don't even know I mean it could look like so many different things

[00:58:27] uh that it's it's I mean you talk about doom scrolling and not letting it get to your head

[00:58:34] I mean this is basically the same thing it's it's good it could look there's so many different scenarios

[00:58:41] for this that you can't it's hard to even focus on just one um but I I know for a fact that

[00:58:47] I will not be I'll be gone you won't see me in the city yeah I mean I I don't know like these

[00:58:55] are moments in time where I try to draw parallels back to something I have some kind of experience with

[00:58:59] and you know my experiences again are like post-Catrina warlands I rack

[00:59:10] I mean I have a personal experience Venezuela but we've talked to a man who did and that was

[00:59:15] quite some years ago actually he's gone on to have quite a successful YouTube channel talking about

[00:59:20] modern survivalism but um you know like I try to draw a parallel to something that actually

[00:59:26] happen and use that as my signpost like history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes

[00:59:32] and that's why I think about you know what a collapse would look like and I don't really believe

[00:59:38] collapses happen suddenly not in most cases like some people will point to like the fall of

[00:59:47] Rome and the city getting sacked and all that and I'm very quick to point out to them that like

[00:59:50] Rome was in collapse for years before the you know before ging who was uh before the Huns showed up

[00:59:59] and sack the city like the whole the whole thing that people hear me say over now that about

[01:00:04] bread and circus to keep everybody entertained while the world's going on falling apart like

[01:00:09] that comes from Rome so I don't believe collapses typically happen very quickly I think they

[01:00:16] happen in slow motion I think things get slowly worse and worse and worse and I think things

[01:00:22] finances economics get tighter and tighter and tighter to push more people out of the middle class

[01:00:28] back down into poverty if any of this sounds familiar stop me while I'm ahead

[01:00:33] and I think things slowly over a period of time get worse

[01:00:40] I see Jim saying I think today's time collapse would happen would be faster and the only reason

[01:00:49] I'm willing to give a little bit of credence to that is because in in older times like the last

[01:00:57] time we had a true collapse you could argue was um the Great Depression you could argue that it

[01:01:06] wasn't a complete collapse is the closest thing where we've seen like in a in modern history

[01:01:12] but the critical difference now is that now we operate under fiat currency system so

[01:01:17] the federal reserve and the banks have the ability to manipulate the currency in a way they could not

[01:01:22] do previously to continue to blow air into this balloon even though there's a hole in it

[01:01:31] and that means that eventually the balloon is going to pop all at once economically

[01:01:39] either you and it's one or the other right I was talking to a friend of mine right now

[01:01:44] or right now so I was talking to my friend of mine yesterday he's actually he's over in France

[01:01:49] right now he's a professor over in France and we're just kind of talking back and forth about

[01:01:55] everything and it was interesting because we're we kind of got talking about we start well we

[01:02:01] start talking about Franklin Horton his books and kind of went down that rabbit hole the post-apocalyptic

[01:02:07] book series and all kinds of stuff and yeah we got talking about just what he would do if something

[01:02:14] were to happen because this family lives in the state still and so it's like well how would you

[01:02:17] if something were to happen what would you do and where we got going down that rabbit hole and

[01:02:23] yeah it's he made a good point of right now technology we I mean we live in a very safe

[01:02:32] relatively relatively safe time I'm very comfortable time in our life and within like the human

[01:02:45] and besides like some thorough countries I guess relatively speaking most Americans are most

[01:02:51] humans live pretty comfortable pretty safe and but it was interesting because he was talking about

[01:02:58] how technology makes it so that we feel that way so it's you know a lot of it is yeah there's still

[01:03:05] some you know it's not as physical it used to be but meant like psychological the technology

[01:03:12] that we have today helps with the psychological of it of of a collapse possibly or what's going on

[01:03:19] you know we're all feeling the pinch of the inflation and we're feeling the pinch of the

[01:03:24] bionomics and stuff like that but it but technology you know it makes it so we can you know we can

[01:03:31] get online we can look at Amazon we can look we can shop around for deals we can shop around

[01:03:35] for certain things online but if you take away the technology if you take that away what do you have

[01:03:42] and that's and that that's going to be interesting to where if something were to happen to where

[01:03:47] technology is taken away to a certain point where you can't get online where you can't you know

[01:03:53] basically if pick your it was in 1984 I mean you have the think police or you know and then

[01:03:59] you have the the the fact that you have to tune in every single day at a certain time to watch

[01:04:03] the presidential brief and what they're going to say and all kinds of crap otherwise it's work

[01:04:10] camps and stuff like that I mean think it's that I mean I who knows whatever is going to happen

[01:04:16] with that but I mean if you think about 1984 and the book and what's going on now it's not too far

[01:04:23] off but but yeah so I mean that's the thing is we have the technology to where it makes life a

[01:04:28] little bit more comfortable and again do it with the technology and see what happens well in the

[01:04:33] problem with the post and industrial society is that technology becomes tiered at a certain point

[01:04:37] like the internet depends upon power first and foremost it depends upon distributed communications

[01:04:44] it's it depends upon networked systems like the technology that enables us to have as comfortable

[01:04:53] life as we do is all sitting on top of another technology so the problem becomes in a in a collapse

[01:05:02] those systems start to fail and as those if the system at the bottom fails everything above it fails

[01:05:09] so like that is that at the end of the day is like what worries me is that I I see us living in a world

[01:05:17] that yes is very safe and we are very comfortable comparatorial ancestors and even though some people

[01:05:24] would pocket this the flat fact the matter is the level of relative comfort we live in proportionate

[01:05:31] to the amount of labor that we have to do is so lopsided that like 200 years ago people would have

[01:05:37] for again walked over fire to have the life we do with the relative lack of of manual effort

[01:05:45] but we're in a situation where like this great society we have built is at a certain point house

[01:05:55] of cards and the worry the worrying thing to me is not doom scrolling but the worrying part of this

[01:06:02] is if something shakes the table the whole house falls if the card at the top of the table falls

[01:06:10] does that cause the cards underneath it fall if the cards at the bottom fall everything above it falls

[01:06:16] so we're in a situation where like we've built this wonderfully complex system that is enriching

[01:06:23] society today and if that system stutters what happens next but this is also why I tend to I tend to

[01:06:32] like a skew doom scrolling in the name of what do you need to sustain your family those are the

[01:06:38] things you should have personal individual custody over you need water you should water you should

[01:06:45] store water or have a well you need food you should have food growing in your garden or food stored

[01:06:50] you need these things and you need to make sure that your your dependence your dependence on those

[01:06:56] things which you cannot avoid does not also make you dependent upon a system that by its very design

[01:07:02] is precarious so like that's that's why I throw off this idea of doom scrolling in like the next

[01:07:10] great emergency we have to get ready for it's like no there is no next great emergency there is only

[01:07:15] how to sustain my needs independent of something or someone else and any way you can do that

[01:07:22] as a net positive and any way you are dependent upon the internet the grocery stores the power

[01:07:28] company the system the whatever you need to start hedging your bets against just in case because

[01:07:33] here's the thing of it no one can tell me I'm crazy for pricing for hurricanes it's happened twice

[01:07:40] the first time I was attached to the dod so I had a safe place to sleep and I had food in my mouth

[01:07:46] the second time I wasn't I was here and I had problems deal with here on the home front

[01:07:50] but we were pretty well prepared to deal those problems because of things we'd done for

[01:07:54] independent preparedness so like my whole spiel to everybody is if you're preparing for something that

[01:08:00] is likely to happen don't let the naysayers tell you that it could never happen again and if you

[01:08:07] are preparing for literal the walking dead I would encourage you to turn off your TV and do some

[01:08:14] introspective thinking because I think there's probably things you should be a little more worried about

[01:08:18] i'll holly a man sure sure on the on uh before we wrap it up I do want to say if you are

[01:08:28] interested in the conflicted card game they're running a sale right now apparently they're rebranding

[01:08:33] a bunch of rebranding they're basically the game so uh so yeah head on over there they got

[01:08:39] a code that you can use 30% off so pick up a deck one is sold out deck two is almost sold out

[01:08:47] I might maybe this week I might pick up a couple decks just because they're fun to play around

[01:08:52] a campfire but uh yeah head on over there and check them out yeah it makes for a fun drinking game

[01:08:58] and if Andrew's around then put a put a put a couple of glasses of whiskey in them and pull out

[01:09:03] that deck cards and you're gonna get him say kill them the need them at least once it's gets a good time

[01:09:09] maybe no not maybe definite what weren't you the one that made the comment about chicken nuggets

[01:09:18] no yeah I said that uh with this with the group of small kids I said it was like veal

[01:09:23] oh well I'll refer anyone later bye all right so matter of fact podcast heading out the door

[01:09:31] it's been a beautiful Saturday and thank everybody for joining us that did my voice is mostly back

[01:09:36] and it'll be more back later so for those of you who were in any way disappointed that y'all missed

[01:09:42] a week I apologize it really couldn't be helped but talk to y'all another week bye everybody bye