NPM 12: What Happened to Fun w/ Judson Carroll

Indoors. Indoors, folks, for this go-round. I think this is the first one we've done inside, if I'm not mistaken. It's a big one, man. It really is a big one. It might be... It's definitely going to be top three because the guest we have on today is... Well, I should probably tell him instead of telling you with him watching in the background because it's a big deal. But Judson Carroll tonight, a guy who was single-handedly built out like a, I don't know what to call it, man, a codex, a lexicon of herbal medicine on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. And just a real admirable level of consistency from this guy who knows his stuff. We'll talk, get into his books and his background and all that kind of stuff. But before we grab him, remember nine and nine each day. So all through September, we're almost halfway there. 9 a.m. I'll have a guest or 9 p.m. I'll have a guest. OK, so keep that in mind. If you're here on Instagram, Rumble X, wherever you're at, 9 or 9, look for us all through National Preparedness Month. This is the big goal to introduce you guys to the heavy hitters in the prepping world. And hopefully by the end of this month, you're in a position where you think like, wow, I'm a little more prepared than I was at the beginning of the month. You could be a lot more prepared if you get a little disciplined and really push the pace with some of these guys that we're bringing you. But without further ado, let's bring the man on, Judson Carroll, the man behind herbal medicine for preppers here at Prepper Broadcasting Network and the man behind a lot more than that outside of Prepper Broadcasting Network. How are you? Yeah, I'm doing pretty good. Thanks for having me on. I tell you, I feel bad because I didn't get a podcast out for herbal medicine for preppers this week. I was going to. Well, you know, my house is being rebuilt after the hurricane. And yesterday, out of the clear blue, some codes inspector calls me up and says, we have no record of your septic tank. And, you know, you're going to have your septic tank replaced in the building of the house. Where's it been going all these years? Well, apparently, now this is what's interesting. In my county in North Carolina, they had no records until about 1975. And my house was built in the late 40s. And so I'm like, yeah, the guy came back after the war. He built the house. And he's like, oh, crap, we don't have records for anything on you. Perfect. That's the way I wanted it. It would be nice, yeah, if they weren't taxing me crazy. But yeah, they suddenly realized they had no septic. They had no well records. They did have the property lines at least, so that was a good thing. But yeah, so it's been a little bit crazy there in that regard, to tell you the truth. Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, I mean, when it comes to the podcasting, man, like. You truly built something at PBN that I probably could never pay you back for in a million years because it is like a– I don't even know if there's anything like it. And the simplistic– it's simplistic, it's consistent, and it's– to a guy like me who's like a space cadet, man, what you have done is a marvel. Oh, hell, just bring me a cheesesteak. That's all I ask for. Cheese steak, okay. Really, I don't even know how many episodes it is. I'd have to count them up, but you've got to be close to 100 different plants. Should be, yeah, should be. Yeah, and that's what I try to do. I try to keep things real simple. Yeah, so the biggest thing that annoys me when people talk with herbalists or And it doesn't have to be herbalist. It could be somebody who's like maybe in, I don't know, like, you know, real big into comms on the prepper side. They're doing, you know, a lot of, you know, ham radio and all that. And they will only use the jargon that other people know. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't like that. You know, I want to, I want every single person, if they click on the show to be able to understand exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, you do a great job at that, man. You do a great, your whole demeanor does a great job at that. It's welcoming. You know what I mean? And to your point, yeah, the language. You leave an episode of yours feeling like this is way less scary than I thought it was going to be. Well, yeah, I mean, and I guess it's just sort of my nature. I'm just a real laid back kind of guy, you know. We both have a culinary background, right? So I'm like the guy you don't want working the line. Let me tell you, you don't want me working the line. You know what I'm saying? You want me doing prep. You want me doing, you know, cutting the meat and chopping the vegetables. You don't want me working the line. You want me maybe at waiting tables. I'm actually, you're really pretty darn good with the customers. Yeah, but when it comes to that intense, you know, you're turning things out like that. No, I'm not your guy. I'm not your guy at all. Yeah. Um, so like if someone comes to the show and, um, you know, I've gotten my notes, this herb is a febrifuge. Nobody knows what the hell a febrifuge is. I don't know what that is. Yeah. It just means something that will help break a fever essentially. Oh, I got you. That's it. So what I'm going to say is this herb will help you sweat and break a fever and Which in Latin would be febra fuge, like essentially heat of sweat, essentially, if you want to look at it that way. But nobody knows what that is. So why do people still use those terms? So they can sound smart. I'm guilty of that, doing things to sound smart on the air, try and sound smart on the air. I probably do as well, but it's so funny. The other day, Robert Malone, he sends out this comic thing every week. He has Friday Funnies and Sunday Strip, and his Friday Funnies, it had doctors go on strike and nobody knows why because of all their scribble on their protest signs. Nobody can read the signs. My parents were hoping I'd be a doctor because my handwriting is so bad. Oh, well, I can beat you on that. Yeah, you too? Oh, horrible, horrible, yeah. No, I actually, I studied calligraphy for about two years to try to straighten it out. And I just, I reverted back in the blink of an eye. I still, I mean, I'm totally indecipherable. Yeah, no doubt about it. I think it has to do with how fast the thoughts come compared to how fast and good the hand can get them on paper. That's what it always seemed like to me. Like, if I write very slowly, I can write nice. Yeah, especially, like, if you're printing. I mean, like, if I'm doing cursive, forget it. And also, I got a little issue. So, like, I was born, well, by three years old, I developed really severe asthma. It's a genetic thing. And they put me on really strong asthma medications by the age of five. And essentially, growing up in elementary school, high school, middle school, all that, I was on the precursors for crystal meth. And so, not good. Yeah. And it was like I was going through life with a jar over my head. I was totally detached. And I had actually heart damage from that. Makes sense. Yeah. Well, I recovered from the heart damage. I started using herbs instead of meds. That was actually one of the biggest things that got me into herbal medicine, but my hands, um, shake. There's nothing I can do about it. Like right now I got my hand, like my elbow is on. Yeah, right here. Right. So if I pick up my hand, you'll probably see a very slight tremor. If I start writing, it's going to get worse and worse and worse. And, uh, yeah, I mean, there's nothing I can do about it. It looks like I'm an alcoholic or something, but, uh, I've been this way since I was 12 years old. I mean, honestly. I shake as well. But I grew up around oil refineries, like in an oil refinery, basically. Yeah. So I'm sure that had something to do with it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There's solvents from the oil. Yeah, absolutely. It can do it. Yeah. God only knows. I'm pretty damn healthy for having. Lived in an oil refinery in my life. Oh, yeah. Me too. Yeah. Yours is probably... You. Play the cards you get. That's all there is to it. You play the cards you get. Speaking of playing the cards, man, you play some guitar, too. Yeah, I love playing guitar. That's been a passion of mine since I was like 15. Man, I. It's a great time to pick up a guitar, too. Yeah, well, okay, so. My uncle was one of the first rock and roll DJs in the Southeast. He was friends with James Brown, Isaac Hayes, um sam and dave um the steve grober and duck dunn he knew all those guys i mean growing up it was blues and soul and you know i am my mother was huge blues rock i mean we grew up on the all in brothers of the grateful dead and And especially the Butterfield Blues Band with Mike Bloomfield. You know, my grandfather was a he was really into country music. He booked a lot of bands like Hank Williams and people like that. Another uncle played bluegrass banjo. Another one was a big band clarinet player. Oh, so you got it all through your family. Yeah. I mean, music is just like such a thing for me. And, you know, the dream as a kid was to be a musician. Right. So I play guitar. I play a mandolin. I play like five types of banjos, piano, harmonica, you name it. I probably play it right. Bass. I spent plenty of time in Nashville working guitar shops. I've done all this kind of stuff. And when, you know, when it comes down to it, I'm not a rock star. There's just no way it's going to happen, but I can go on YouTube and I can teach people how to play blues or jazz or, you know, rockabilly or old kind of country or, you know, roots rock. Yeah. I mean like Creed is clear where revival, that kind of stuff, you know, like the kind of things we listened to like seventies radio, um, I mean, yeah, I can teach you that in like five minutes. To me, it's just fun, and I make no money off those videos. I just do them for absolute fun. That's sweet, man. Yeah, you're definitely talented. There's no getting around that. Watch you play. I like when you do the little jam sessions. Oh, cool. Okay. I see you on there, and you're just going, and you're not teaching or, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've even seen you live a few times, I'm pretty sure, right? Cool. Yeah, a couple of times. A couple of times, yeah. And I tell you, if anybody ever wants to join in, you know, just shoot me a message real quick. We'll just open that up for a live session. And, you know, if you got a question, I'm pretty good on music theory. But, I mean, everything I do is by ear. So it's super. I mean, I don't care if you, like, picked up the guitar for the first time. and you're just learning your first two notes, or you've been playing for 10 or 20 years. That's what I used to do in the guitar shop in Georgia. I'd be hanging out with guys from REM and the B-52s and Widespread Panic and all these crazy great bands, and there'd be some high school kid come in, and we'd just be like, come on, kid, join in. Here's what you do. Dream come true for that young man. Oh, you know it. I mean, man. So, Okay, so REM was a really odd band. Michael Stipe was really, really weird, okay? But the musicians of the band were awesome. And if y'all want to hear the kind of thing we were doing back in the 1990s, go to YouTube and look up a band called the Hindu Love Gods. That was REM. Yeah, that was REM with Warren Zevon singing lead. And Warren Zevon's known for Werewolves of London and, you know, some odd songs. And that we were just playing blues and roots rock and, you know, and we would just jam out to that kind of stuff for hours. And it was just awesome. It really was. So how did you go from chef rock star to Appalachian Mountain forager? It was always in the background. Well, it was always in the background. I mean, I did get, I did do my herbal, uh, apprenticeship at age 15 and thank you for interviewing me. I don't normally talk about myself that much, but, uh, so I feel a little uncomfortable, uh, bragging on some of these things, you know, but, um, but no, I, uh, yeah, I was, I was totally doing the food and music thing. That was, that was my goal, uh, without a doubt. And then nine 11 happened. And, um, yeah, so here we are in nine 12. So, you know, it's kind of fresh in mind. And so, um, let me get a sip of water here. So, um, I, I dropped out of high school at age 16, um, started working cause they wouldn't let me start college right away. Blew out my back at age 19 and was paralyzed for two years. Wow. What happened? Well, I was unloading a truck at Walmart and they dropped a case of lawn furniture on me and happened to be cast iron lawn furniture. Oh, my God. And I caught it before it broke my knees. And I turned and sat it down and out went three vertebrae and two discs. And, yeah, I was paralyzed for a good two years. I was healed by a miracle. There's no doubt about that. Somebody prayed for me. Doctors said they couldn't help me. I was healed. I went down to, well, I totally turned my life around. I was a long-haired, pot-smoking hippie. There's no doubt about it. The worst influence you could possibly imagine in your daughter's life. And proud of it, too. You know, I mean, punk rock and, I mean, social distortion on the radio all the time or the Grateful Dead. I mean, I was just Bender from, you know, the Breakfast Club. So back is shot. And I go down to Georgia and become a youth minister. And while I'm down there, 9-11 happens. And it's like, okay, all my buddies are going to fight. And I can't because I have a disability. I have a 75% disability. Even though I'm healed, you put a pack on my back, you know. Problems, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can do pretty good with a pack these days, but I can't carry somebody off the battlefield, you know. I mean, I could, but– By the time we were out, we'd both be on the ground. Also, when I was in high school, a teacher convinced me to become a vegetarian. At that time, I was just very weak. It wasn't just a matter of an injury. It was a matter of not having enough protein and animal fats in my diet. You know what I'm talking about. You've got to have the right nutrition. So when I got healed, yeah, I mean, literally that was the most depressed week, sick time of my life without a doubt. So, you know, after my back was healed, I started eating meat again. I started hitting the gym. I started lifting weights. I started doing martial arts again. I'd been into Kung Fu a little bit, you know, but I really got into it after that. And, um, uh, I lost a lot of steps, let me tell you. When a kid like, you know, four or five years younger is like kicking your ass after you used to be able to, yeah, you know what I mean. So, you know, I got pretty healthy again, but still, you know, I had a, well, I actually had two disabilities on me because I had a paralysis, which was healed by a miracle. I mean, doctors couldn't explain it, so they didn't really write it in my records. But also when I was working at a drugstore, a glass shelf fell on me and sliced my arm open like four inches deep all the way down. So I had like, you know. I love dropping stuff on Judson. I know. Drop some on that guy. Yeah, I have terrible luck. I always have. So, you know, I always say, thank you, Lord, for this penance. But I mean, it was sliced over to the bone. So, I mean, even that was like a 30% disability. And so anyway, I said, you know, I'm healthy. I'm good to go. But, you know, at that point, I'm like 20 something years old and I've got a couple of disabilities on the record. And, you know, one guy was actually he just got out of the Marine Corps. He was going back in. He said, you can't be counted on in the battlefield. And that hit me like a ton of bricks. Yeah. I mean, cause I'm like thinking I can do whatever I want. Right. He's like, you can't be counted on the battlefield. And that just killed me. So I thought, how am I going to, um, how am I going to help the guys out? You know? Right. Well, I'll go up to DC and I'll work in politics and I'm going to make sure what happened to the boys coming back from Vietnam doesn't happen to them. We're going to make sure. Yeah, we're going to make sure they get what they need. We're going to make sure they're taken care of. We're going to make sure that the culture doesn't turn against them. And I fought like hell. And so while I was up there, I was like totally involved in politics. I was working with congressmen and senators and journalism and doing all that fun stuff. And I was working with Dr. Jerry Falwell over at Liberty University and his whole ministry. And Dr. Falwell was an awesome man. I mean, he was really great. And while I was at Liberty, I converted to Catholicism, and Dr. Falwell was behind me 100%. He was like, wherever the Holy Spirit leads you, you go, Everybody else was like, you get the hell out of here. Really? You mean in D.C.? What's that? You mean in D.C.? Well. That was in Northern Virginia. That was around the Liberty University campus where I was. I was living in Alta Vista, which is right outside of Lynchburg. Great town. Loved Alta Vista. No problem whatsoever. But at the university, they didn't really like me a whole lot, and they told me to go home. And at the same time, my grandmother had a heart attack, and I had to come in and take care of the family farm. So I was back in North Carolina and flat broke, 100% flat broke, running a farm, running Thought I was going to inherit some of the property. Didn't. By the time everything was over, I was literally back in square one. I'd never even started out in life. And I had to figure out how to do things. I had to figure out how to... Obamacare had passed, and I couldn't afford health insurance. Yeah. Good. I mean, you're self-employed. Screw you, you know, right? And so I'm back in the mountains of North Carolina and flat broke, just about to lose everything. And I was talking with some folks at the Grow Network, and they're like, you know, you ought to write a book. I'm like, what the heck? Nobody wants to read my book. No, you know stuff. No, I don't. Everybody knows how. To do this. No, you really need to write a book on herbal medicine. So I wrote... a couple of books on herbal medicine and people liked them. And what do you, what do you do? Right. I mean, as far as prepping and such, I mean, I grew up in, you know, Eastern North Carolina and the mountains of North Carolina, a grandmother's family from one side, father's family from the other side. So you're either going to get a hurricane or a, or an ice storm or a blizzard on the other side once a year. So you store water, you store food, you store fuel, you, you think ahead and, So, you know, some of the prepper groups like what PrepperNet, you know, they kind of picked up on me and such as that. But I'm like, you know, I don't really think I'm a prepper. They're like, yeah, you are. I'm like, I don't really think I know anything about herbal medicine. They're like, yeah, you do. You know, I got to, you know, I studied some permaculture here and there. I got the Master Gardener thing because my grandfather was a A farmer. And he was like a pioneer in that field. He was permaculture before Bill Mollison ever coined the term. I mean, you know, he studied Thomas Jefferson. He went up to Mancello and, like, looked at how he put everything together and up to Washington's place. What is that? It's not Montpelier. It's... Ah, shoot. Yeah, I don't know. Mount Vernon. Mount Vernon. Oh, gorgeous. Yeah, absolutely gorgeous. You know, when he founded Mount Vernon, the, what is the caviar from? The paddlefish. Yeah, the sturgeon were so thick you could walk across the river. Can you imagine that? Yeah, I've heard that about the shad here in Richmond, actually. Oh, man, I love Shad Row. I grew up on Shad Row. Oh, man. I've heard similar things about the Shad. I got some of your books up here from your Amazon author profile just so people can get a look at what you got because you got a lot. Yeah, so anyway, I aged out on music. I got fed up with– I do some catering still. And I don't know. People just said you ought to write a book, so I wrote a book. So that's about it. Well, folks, you can also read Judson not just on the Amazon here, but if you're over at Instagram, we've linked to his sub stack. And I've gotten a lot of followers from you, man. Thank you for that, too, by the way. Oh, cool. We're good. That's great. A lot of people come over and follow my sub stack, and it says recommended by Judson Carroll. And I'm always like, oh, man, how do I– I don't know how to do that. How do you do that? Yeah. I have no idea how subject works. Honestly, I have no idea how subject works. I don't know how YouTube works. I don't know how any of this stuff works. I was, uh, man, I'm telling you, I am the most reluctant tech guy on the face of this earth. Yeah. Well, so it seems like it probably all going to go away here eventually anyway, right? You just give me a, you know, a good old telecaster and a tube amp and a radio and, uh, um a typewriter i'd probably some cast iron that's all i need some good cast iron right that's a. Good layout so your your latest book which i wanted to bring in in physical but it's uh i don't know where it is i just did a show when was that i did a show last week or the week before i think it was the end of last week or the end of the week before last that was um just a stack of recommended books for me, recommended reading for preppers, and yours was, of course, in there, your latest. And it came in such a... But what's the title of it exactly? I don't want to screw the title up. Okay, well, I got two out right now. The one you sent me, the Catholic. Okay, yeah, that one came out in May, and yeah, it took about a year, and that's our... I co-wrote it with my buddy Steve down in Charlotte. It's... Let me think. Herbs that heal Catholic home remedies to do something with. To forage and grow. I never remember the titles of my books. People don't understand this, but literally the minute I stop writing a book, the minute I turn it in, I'm done. I forget everything that's in it. I'm terrible with that stuff. Yeah, so that one's the big one. That one's the one that's in bookstores and everything. Everything else I do For the most part, it's self-published. I did just, like, last month publish The Medicinal Wildflowers of the American Southeast, Volume 1. Yeah, I started out, like, I've got this whole series of all the medicinal uses of the plants that grow in the southeastern United States. And what I need people to understand is, like, The southeast is like the most diverse region in the entire United States. Like we have, like where I live in the mountains of North Carolina is like the Catskills of New York. It's like most of Canada. You go down to, I don't know, Brunswick County, southeastern North Carolina, and it's like you might as well be in Florida. We got sand hills that are like deserts. Excuse me. That water didn't go down well. Chlorine. Chlorine will get you every time. Anyway, so it's like we have dense hardwood forests. We have like every single region. So if something grows in your area, and it's 99% possible that it grows in mine. I mean like every single tree, bush, and shrub, and herb that grows in England grows in North Carolina. Yeah. Ditto Canada. Ditto just about everywhere. So I was going to do this one on all the weeds and grasses and wildflowers because they have tons of medicinal uses, but they're never included in commercial herb books. And it's turned into, at this point, a four-book series, and it's probably going to be a fifth because it's so many thousands of plants that I mean, literally thousands. That really is your superpower in the herbal world. I don't know how you do it. I don't know if you have lists. But your ability to freaking have those herbs in your brain. I mean, things I've never heard of until I listen to your show. And just crank them week after week. Yeah, that's the crazy thing that I do. And it's not me. I don't... This is not... This is a gift I was given. I have like a, okay. If you ask me any song recorded from say 1920 to 1990, I could probably give you the band members, the date it was recorded, the lyrics. Wow. And you know, the melody out of just a memory. Okay. That's the way my brain works. You ask me a recipe, I'm going back to Escapier. I can just, right? So I do the same thing with herbs. I do the same thing with edible plants. It's not anything I can do on my own. It's just the way my brain catalogs information. You've got to hear it. You know, I go through, like, I look for what plants. I'll take, like, a five-state area, 10-state, well, more like a 15-state area, actually. And I just, like, run it through Google or whatever we're using now. And I'll say, what are considered invasive weeds in these 15 states? And it's going to come back at me with, like, you know, 450 results. OK, so I'm going to just I'm going to copy and paste. I'm going to keep that on a little file and then I'm going to go through and I'm going to think to myself. what do I know about these plants? Okay. Then I'm going to go and I'm a research and I have a big library of books and they're both physical and online. And I would say, what can I find about these plants? And in the end, I've got like a 450 page book. When I thought I was just going to have like a little book and I you know, it actually turns out to be like a five volume series. So that's the way it works. It's just like when I used to go to the library of Congress, when I was up in Virginia, you know, I'd go to the library of Congress and I'd look up, um, Dixieland jazz who played Dixie Dixieland jazz. Well, it'd be like, you know, 1500 bands. Okay. Who was in this band and that band? Okay. Well, this was a core group. Okay. What did they record? When was this song recorded? And you know, that's, it's just like, uh, the old card catalogs in the library. Remember you pull out that drawer system. Yeah. Yes. And you just start pulling files and it would cross-reference this one and cross-reference that one. And, uh, to me, that's a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, if it wasn't fun, I wouldn't do it. Sure. Oh, I mean, it's got to be some kind of labor of love because you keep cranking them out, man. You know, you just keep going and going. Got a few more. Got a few more. I just got a contract for three more books from another publisher. Man, that's great. I think at least two of them are going to be cookbooks. So, you know, that'd be fun. I mean, you're the guy for the wild cook. Well, you have the omnivores. What is it? The Omnivore's Guide to something. Yeah, Omnivore's Guide. I got Spring Forging Cookbook. Yeah, I remember when that came out. Yeah, I need to do Summer, Fall, and Winter. So that's still in the works. The next one is probably going to be all fish and seafood recipes. Just fish and seafood from the mountains. No, it'll be everywhere. See, all we got up here. All we got up here is trout, bluegill, catfish, a couple others. We got a couple native fish, but for the most trout, bluegill, catfish. I grew up on the coast. I go crazy over oysters and clams and crabs and Spiny lobsters, because that's what we got here, not like the lobsters with the claws up north. Every kind of shellfish, every kind of mollusk, every kind of barnacle. I'll eat barnacles. I mean, I go crazy for frogs and turtles. Oh, really? You do the reptile thing, huh? Oh, man. Okay, so.... Yes. Turtle soup is like my, I love turtle probably more than any other meat or fish. And so in Pennsylvania, especially what is it? It's central Pennsylvania, right? They got like their classic turtle soup recipe. They used to do the, yeah. So man, I mean, I can go for that. And yeah, frog legs, crawfish, snails. I actually, for a while, had my own snail farm. I was raising snails and Cooking them, eating them, and yeah. Frying the snails with the garlic butter. You know, French, I don't mind that. That's not too bad. Oh, yeah. Frog legs, I don't mind. I've had them Meunier style, and that was pretty good. Yeah. But other than that, man, I try to stay away from the reptiles. I don't eat them too much. Oh, yeah? I'm wanting to go down to Florida and try some of those iguanas. Yeah, yeah. I've heard things. I've had the, what is it, the alligator tail, that kind of thing. Yeah, the alligator, yeah. So, Meunier, so breaded in flour, fried in butter. That's what you've been eating, your frog legs, huh? Yeah, yeah, lemon. I was taught by a French guy, lemon, parsley, garlic. Absolutely. Butter, lemon, parsley, garlic on top of the fried. Yeah, and it was good. It is good. You know, in that style, it's sort of like what, like a mild chicken or a mild white, like, perch? That's what it kind of reminded me of, yeah. I mean, it was, you know, it was one of those things where it was fried, it had lemon, it had garlic, and butter, so it was kind of a vehicle for what was all over it. It's not going to be bad. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also not going to be like, this frog is better than any frog I've ever had. You know what I mean? Right. So the next time, I'm going to give you a recipe from my heritage, which is Creole. Oh, nice. Yeah. What's wrong with some Creole, man? Onions, garlic, celery, peppers, a little chopped tomato. Just take those frog legs and cook them up in some butter. Throw in the veggies. What's that? Yeah. Isn't that called the Cajun mirepoix or something like that? Yeah, well, Cajun, you're going to leave out the tomatoes. That would have been okay. Usually. You're going to do more of a roux. Yeah. With the Creole, you're probably going to do more of a tomato-based sauce. It's really very similar. Yeah. Each one, you're going to throw in a little Worcester sauce. You're going to throw in some hot pepper. Yeah. Yeah, maybe a little oregano, maybe a little thyme. But you're talking those basic, I guess, five vegetables, really, when you look at it. I mean, they always talk about the trinity, but it's really more like five vegetables. And, yeah, I mean, like, you know, when I was a kid and I'd go out on my great-grandparents' farm, we'd be like five miles out in the field, and my great-grandmother would be like, here, try this pepper. It's not hot. It was hot. No water in sight. No, there was a hand pump back at the house like five acres away. You know, you stand there at the pump just going. Yeah, we've all had our fun with the, well, the Carolina Reapers, actually. Oh, man. Fond memories of my son getting a hold of the Carolina Reaper and then my father-in-law and I being like, well, we could try it. We're meant. It's good. It's funny. Oh, that's crazy. I'm telling you, you know what tears me up worse than anything is fresh Tabasco peppers. Yeah. I mean, I can normally handle anything, but a fresh, like right off the bush Tabasco. You grow these little guys, right? They're crazy. Some of them. I mean, they're like, yeah, it's like a Thai bird's eye, like enhanced. Yeah. Yeah. Every so often, I get a hold of a Serrano pepper that's just from another galaxy, too. I don't know if you eat those, but sometimes I get one of those and I'm like, where's this guy from? Because this has just got me going. Oh, yeah. See, that's why I always make a joke when I go to the grocery store for peppers. I will buy poblanos because you never know what you're going to get. I do love them, though. They're a great pepper, man. Oh, they're the best. I mean, honestly, it's like my favorite. Yeah, I used to go to a place up in, like, right at the top of Delaware before you hit PA. It was called Los Patrios, and they would do a stuffed poblano reina style. Oh, I love it. Cheese and the tomato sauce on top. Oh, yeah. That thing was unbelievable, man. Oh, it's incredible. Yeah. No, I'm telling you, if... politics ever settled out they got rid of the cartels and i just freaking moved down to oaxaca i mean forget it you know you give me a mole sauce and some peppers i'm good to go. It's an awesome place i mean i've been to cancun and uh i don't know if i've ever been to oaxaca but it's cool it's cool it's a cool culture a catholic down there also i mean it's yeah i was. Just super laid back yeah i was just. Looking at a um It was like a graph over time of mixed marriages and what the top mixed couples are. White men, Latino women, and white women, Latino men. It's exponentially growing. So there's something to it. Hey, Jennifer Lopez, Penelope Cruz. Yeah, all ugly girls, right? Yeah, we want to go down that road. Who needs that, right? We'll stick with Rosie O'Donnell. Off to Ireland with Rosie. Yeah, we'll go with the good Irish girls. I love food from all cuisines. I really do. I love Asian food. I love Italian food. Yeah. Yeah, that ingredient, that love for ingredients has to be some of what colors your obsession with the herbs, right? Yeah, absolutely. What do you do? You know what I mean? What does this thing do? Yeah, absolutely. Now, a lot of herbs are very bitter. Yeah, the ones that do the best work, from my experience medicinally, are always crap. They're always bitter. That's exactly what I was about to say. Most of, many of your... Most potent medicinal herbs are so bitter to the taste they can't be used. um we're talking about like the artemisia family the wormwood such as that um gentian would be a really good example but you think of sage sage is a very bitter herb but sage makes fantastic sausage and stuffing so the human race would probably literally not exist without sage because sage kills parasites sage kills bacteria. Sort of like an oregano almost. Yeah, oregano, mint. That's another really good example is mint. If we didn't put these culinary herbs in our food, we would not have existed as a people. Or you can look at herbal teas, but then you think about for the most of human history, the water wasn't safe to drink. People drank beer with hops. Right. You know, before they had hops, they used other herbs, but they said they served the same purpose for the most part. It is crazy to think about, isn't it? Yeah. Coming over here, boiling up everything that you drink, and we're so spoiled with the tap. But yeah, I was just giving my son, actually, towards the end of August, I was just giving him some of the goldenrod tincture with like a teaspoon of honey. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. drip the drops on the honey teaspoon and give it to him. If it didn't work, he wouldn't take it because it doesn't taste good even with the honey, but it works so good. No, goldenrod's a nice bitter. Yeah, goldenrod's a very bitter herb. Very good for sore throats and sinus issues. You know, people blame goldenrod when it's really the ragweed that's causing the problem. The goldenrod is, you know, edible, medicinal, nice tea. That's it. And it's everywhere. that's the other weird thing about, about herbs. I don't know if you noticed that or not, but one of the things that I noticed when I started getting into foraging at large was just like how encrusted even urban areas are with all of these wild edibles and wild medicinals. Like I walked in and I'm like, look at all the medicine and shit around here. It's packed. People just walk by and they have no idea. Yeah. I was talking with a girl from up in New York, um, I can't remember where she was. Queens, maybe? Anyway, she's like, you know, I went outside. She's Hispanic. And she's like, there's epazote everywhere. Yeah. And, you know, epazote is this, you know, great herb that helps settle the stomach. It prevents gas in beans. It's what gives refried beans that kind of refried bean taste, you know. Where I live, you cannot buy epazote without going to a little Mexican tienda. And it's only really good fresh. And she's like, wherever I go in New York, there's epizodi. Right? Well, we wouldn't even recognize epizodi. I wouldn't necessarily. I've never actually seen it in the wild. I need to learn it. It's probably all around me. But I know dandelions are all around me. I know plantains are all around me. Yeah. Chicory, burdock, peaches. All the medicinal trees and shrubs and grasses. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, we have this incredible God-given bounty. You know, George Herter was this— oh, man, he's such a hero to me. Have you ever checked out George Herter? I never heard his name until just now. Oh, okay. I'm sending you down, like, the biggest rabbit hole of all time, okay? Tomorrow, you are going to send me a letter that either— Yeah. You're either going to send me an email just like chewing me out or saying this is the best thing I've ever seen in my life. Red-eyed. Yes, red-eyed. George Leonard Herder inherited his family's sporting goods store and was second Minnesota in, I think, about 1930. He then went off and fought a world war and came back with his– What was she? Belgian. Yes. Belgian wife. And he turned it into the predecessor of like Bass Pro Shops of like. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, it was the Sears catalog of sporting goods. And it was huge. I mean, literally he had one of the biggest corporations in America. And he wrote like 27 books, all self-published. The best cookbooks. He was getting ready to start a religion. I'm telling you. And he was a devout Catholic, too. And he wrote four cookbooks in the Bull Cook series, each of them more than like 400 pages long. So we're talking like 2,000 pages. Yeah, huge. Wow. And he would go out, he would go hunting with John Wayne. He'd go fishing with Ernest Hemingway. He knew everybody. He traveled the world. He studied every recipe you could imagine. And he wrote it a lot like I write my recipes, which are in narrative form. Like, don't use like a third of a teaspoon of salt. Just add salt to taste. You know, whatever the hell you want to do. And he cataloged. essentially the 1940s 1950s yeah food culture he was he was offensive he was okay not offensive um you remember last man standing i think the character that uh was the last man standing character may have actually been based on him he was conservative he was outspoken he was bold he was like Feminists are destroying our country. They're running into the ground. Men are going to have to learn to cook if they're going to be able to survive. That's why I'm writing the Bull Cook series. His wife was great, too. At one point, they had a whole series out. His was How to Live with a Bitch, and hers was How to Live with a Bastard. They just roasted each other. I'm telling you, he wrote like 27 books. Self-published, all of them at least 300 pages long. And some of them well over 1,000. But it sounds like you had a lot to write about. I mean, you go on fishing with Hemingway. I'm sure you come back with a few stories. Oh, yeah. I mean, and this is what's the great part. This is what you'll love. Probably 75% of the stuff, like he gave a story with everything. Everything, recipe, anything, he would give this story. He just made it up. No way. Oh, yes. It is beautiful. It is hilarious. It is legends. And he actually did know some of the old gunfighters from the Southwest and such. I mean, people who had known Doc Holloway. So some of the stuff's true. But like when he writes the Blessed Virgin Mary's favorite spinach recipe, you probably have a good idea. He just made that up. Yeah, that's right. It's just great. He was such a crank. He was such a nut. He was just an absolute genius lunatic. I'm telling you, everybody ought to have these books on their shelves. You can go to eBay right now. You can buy any of them for $ 4. I'm telling you, fill your shelves. We need to preserve this. This is like John Wayne meets Groucho Marx meets I don't even know. William Faulkner and James Beard all mixed together. He was a nut. I love it. I just absolutely love it. They're the funnest. I have all of his books except his Reloading Manual, which was more of a technical manual. Oh, Hunting in Today's Africa, How to Go on a Safari for $ 50. That's phenomenal. That's probably worth reading just for the fun of it. Oh, yeah. He wrote How to Get Out of the Rat Race and Live on $ 10 a Week. Wow. And, I mean, it's brilliant. I mean, he brings in all these bushcraft techniques, how to build your own stove out of an oil drum, how to build your own wood cabin. It's legitimate, though. I mean, it's legitimate information. What is it, George? What's his name? George Leonard Herter. George Herter, ladies and gentlemen. H-E-R-T-E-R. The info is solid. The recipes are solid. The stories are like your drunk, crazy uncle. We're talking Psy from Duck Dynasty. I got it. Yeah. If Cy from Duck Dynasty had written like 27 books of about 570 pages each long, it's gorgeous. It really is. I cannot tell you how wonderful these books are. I've been collecting them for 10 years at least. I love that, man. I love that. I love that age of America that we've long forgotten. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, crazy real men who just went out and just did whatever the hell needed to be done. And then they go have a beer and tell a story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. I call it the 100-year amnesia because that's the only way I can explain what's happened to us in the last 100 years. You know what I mean? It's just that we have forgotten. I mean, you're one of the best examples of it. because you hold on to all this information about the foraging and the medicinal herbs. Let me tell you, if you had ever met my grandfather, let me tell you. I'm 6'4, okay? He was at least 6'7. Dude! He was a good 75 pounds heavier than me. He had a blackjack, a pocket knife, and a pistol. Oh, wow. He was a shipbuilder, commercial fisherman, farmer, politician, justice of the peace. I could go on. He, uh, Al Gore used to come eat at our house. Like he was that influential. Al Gore used to come eat at our house. He was a conservative Democrat who supported Nixon and Reagan. Yeah. Right now he would probably be the biggest Trump supporter on the face of the earth and would be laughing at every single thing Trump said because he would have thought he was hilarious. Yeah. Um, He would just as quickly tell you a story and crack a joke as start a fight. And he knew how to do everything. Everything. He was a brick mason. He did historical renovation for the state. He rebuilt buildings that were 200 years in the past. He was a carpenter. He was a mechanic. He was an electrician. He was a plumber. He was every single thing you can possibly imagine and one of the founders of permaculture. And the most good-humored, good-natured, laid-back Irishman you can imagine. That is wild, right? That's the herder generation. You know, that's when we look back and we think about those men. I remember 10 years ago, I'm walking down the street, and this man calls me over. Son, come over here. Come over here. His name was Haslip, Vernon Haslip. He had stormed the beaches at Normandy. Oh, my. He was 94 years old. Wow. He called me over, gave me a glass of bourbon, and handed me a cigar. And we sat there for five hours as he told me everything that happened on D-Day. You know, we're never going to be that. Oh, no way. No, there's no challenge like that for us to face down. And he was a teenager. You know why he called me over? It's because I kind of wear my hair a little long on top. Right now I got pulled back. But back then I had kind of slicked back like Frank Sinatra or something. And he says, come over here. He says, you remind me of my buddy. We stormed the beaches in Normandy. I'm like, you stormed? Yeah, he fell in the water. I picked him up. He'd been cut in half by machine gun fire. Oh, my. I picked him up by his hair. That's how the story began. That's the beginning. That's part one. That's the opening credits there. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It is hard to believe that they could go through something like that and come back and then live. I mean, I just think about the woes and complaints of modern humanity nowadays and think, how would they have ever come back from that? Yeah. Yeah. If this million people went to storm the beaches of Normandy and were chopped up by machine gun fire and came back to that in their heads. Oh, yeah. And I know, I mean, you know, all the guys that served after 9-11, I mean, they went through hell. And, you know, PTSD is a real thing. And we got some herbs that can help with PTSD, by the way. You know, I talk about some of those in my book. I mean, you talk about a past flower anemone. ashwagandha valerian uh those are sedative but pass flower can actually help with the what we might call a huge state we talk about labella i mean you know i'm just we haven't had a very serious interview about herbs you know because we're just chatting we're buddies you know that's what we do um But if anybody needs to talk with me about a serious issue, I'm not going to give you medical advice. I am not a doctor. I'm not going to pretend to give you medical advice. But if you've got a serious issue, get in touch with me. Email me, judson at judsoncarroll.com. No problem. No charge, no anything. I'll send you some information, and you can try to find out what might help. That's very nice of you, man. Oh, I know. That's just what I do. I do this 24-7. I mean, honestly. Anybody emails me a question, I am not a clinical herbalist. I don't charge for anything. I would just put you on some information, but then it's up to you to research it and learn how to use it if it may be right for you. You have to take control of your own health. But you can ask me anything. Blew out my knee. Well, it's good for inflammation and to help the tissue here heal. Menstrual issues. Gosh, I get emails just every day. People just ask me questions. It doesn't take me any. Here's what I always say. It takes no effort in life to be nice. That's true. I can hold the door for somebody. I can give somebody a smile. I can give them a kind word. That's my philosophy. It takes no effort in life to be nice. It takes nothing away from me. You know, and maybe it helps. If it doesn't help, it doesn't help. You know? Yeah. You lost nothing. I lost nothing. It's definitely a good outlook this day and age, right? A kind word goes a long way these days. You got nothing to lose. Honestly, you got nothing to lose. Mr. Haslam didn't have to call me over that day. I ended up meeting a World War II hero. I met another old man who had, from World War II, who was a POW at a Japanese POW camp. They broke his knees with a bulldozer. Oh, my God. Yeah. I know. I know. I mean, and also, you know, just an incredible human being. You know, he had the chance when they liberated the camp, he had the chance to shoot the Japanese general in the head. They gave him the gun. They said, do it. And he said, no. He said, I had a chance to redeem myself. And he will have the same chance when he's in prison. That's wild, man. Yeah. You have a real affinity for the greatest generation, huh? Well, you know, I have had an opportunity in my life to meet incredible people. And I'm very grateful for that. From that generation? Well, yeah, a lot of them for that generation. But, you know, like my great grandfather was born in 1890. And he died in 1989. I've had a chance to know people from literally the close of the Civil War to the modern era. And I still need. To go back there. I really would. I think even more than the revolution. I just love to be in the streets of America at Civil War time, North and South, and just to really start to listen to the conversations people were having. Because what a crazy-ass time, you know? Oh, you can't. I mean, we cannot imagine it. We cannot imagine everything North of Virginia picking up arms against everything South of Virginia. That's crazy, man. But, yeah, I mean, you know, my great-grandfather was born in 1890. His father died in the Civil War. He was captured at Fort Sumter. Died in Elmira, New York. I have known people from that period of time to even now. My buddy, Abdul, who literally lives across the street from my mom, from North Africa, came here as an immigrant child, knew nothing, who is now... I actually can't tell you his position in the military because it's classified. He is a freaking hero. And built like a gorilla and about a foot shorter than me. And he can pick me up and throw me about three miles. And I'm like, yeah. I'm real glad to have my buddy Abdul across the street. From soldiers to musicians, I've known so many musicians. I've known people who played with Elvis Presley. I've known people who played with the Beatles. Dave Brubeck, Benny Goodman. I could go down the list naming. And I don't know why this is. Honestly, it's nothing to do with me. I was probably 15 years old. I went to a concert and there was a guy named Guy Clark. And most people are not going to know who Guy Clark is. He's one of the greatest songwriters that ever came out of Texas and made his career in Nashville. And we just started talking. He's like, kid, I'm going to introduce you to this guy. I'm going to introduce you to this guy. Next thing I know, I'm having lunch with Emmylou Harris and turning down a date with one of the Dixie Chicks. It had nothing to do with me. It's just people come into my life that'll be like, I want to introduce you to so-and-so. My old buddy Tim, Tim Roper, he introduced me to Clint Locklear, a big survival trapper guy. And I never got to know Clint very well, but you know, the two of them kind of like introduced me into the prepper world. I'm like, y'all, I'm not, I'm not a prepper. I just, I'm more like a homesteader. I just kind of live the life. I just kind of, you know, grow in a need and go out and hunt and set a few traps. And they're like, you know, we want to introduce you to this guy. We want to introduce you to that guy. And I'm like, All right. Marjorie Wildcraft did the same thing for me. Marjorie was like, you know, Marjorie's huge in the permaculture and herbal. And she's like, we want you to go out there and meet people. And I'm like, I'm not who you think I am. But they're always like, you are. And I'm like, well, I do my best. Do it again to live your dream for you. your dream of Judson, right? Right. I mean, basically I'm not, you know, I don't have like, you know, 50 years of rice and beans stored away. I got like six months of rice and beans stored away. You know, I don't have like, you know, an ammo dump under my house, but you know, I got a few shotgun shells and I can kill a deer if I need to. Um, For me, it's common sense because that's the way my grandparents raised me. I mean, I told you about my grandfather. He was this incredible man. He died when I was 10 of ALS. So I didn't get to learn everything I wanted to learn from him at all. Sure. He was a wealth of knowledge. He should have wrote some books. Oh, yeah. But my grandmother canned everything. She made sausage and sealed it in jars with fat over the top and stuck it back and You know, we just kind of grew up knowing that a hurricane's going to hit or a blizzard's going to hit or, you know, might be in a war again. And times come. Yeah. My grandfather had a fallout shelter. He built it himself. He designed it himself, a nuclear fallout shelter with an air filtration system, its own electric power plant, and its own well. He was ready, man. Yeah. Ten feet underground, lead door. Oh, he was really ready. Wow. Yeah. He knew. What happened to that thing? I don't see that very much anymore, that whole, like, I meet you, then I introduce you to someone. Yeah. I wonder that, too, sometimes. That's especially dying art at, at the, at the best it's dying. But in most cases I meet people and it's almost like, you know, let's get this over with. You know what I mean? Well, I think it may be, yeah, I think it may be the competitive nature of social media. Oh, that's, I mean, it's like, I've got my group. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not that way. Anybody I know, I introduced them to everybody I know. Yeah. because especially like I live in a very small town. My entire town is 70 people and 400 bears. Our county seat is 400 and some people. When I meet somebody, I'm like, okay, where do you live? Okay, I know so-and-so in your town, so I'm going to connect you with so-and-so in your town. And to me that makes sense. It does make sense. I don't know. No, it does make, that whole idea of like, who's this person and how can I help them? You know what I mean? It's almost like there's an arrogance and a pride in people now where it's like, I don't need your damn help. You know what I mean? What do you think of me that you want to introduce me to this person and I need your help? You know what I mean? I went to college. I know what I'm doing. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. Well, I'll tell you what it is. I'll tell you exactly what it is. Kids that grew up without dads. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that is a good point, right? Because your dad introduced you to everybody, right? That's true. See, I didn't have a dad. I had a grandfather who did the same thing. Right. But if you don't have a dad or a grandfather, you know, you grow up kind of thinking, I have to, you know, and I can't ask for help. I mean, how many people do you see actually ask for help? Yeah, it's a weird thing. I only just recently started myself. I'll be honest with you, Judson. I went many, many years being like, don't do that. You know, you come up in the, you know, the restaurant world is not a place to ask for help. Chef, I'm overwhelmed with orders. Can you send somebody over to help me? Right. I'll send Hector over and you won't have a job no more. That's what we'll do. Yeah. Or you get picked on or you get bullied. I got a lot of that, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. No. I mean, you know, my dad left when I was like five. I grew up real hard. Bullied. I can't tell you how many ribs were broken. Fingers were broken. Just getting beat up in school. I mean, you know, I grew up real hard. Had to learn to fight before I could do anything else. Honestly. Yeah. And I did not grow up looking for help because, well, again, you know, my grandfather could do anything and he just showed me how to do it. But when he died, when I was like 10, yeah, I mean, I was like, yeah, I had a total resistance on asking for help. And I asked my uncle to help me learn to change my oil. And he was like, pretty much the alcoholic, and he decided to get drunk and then come and blame me for, yeah, asking him for, you know, help. He's like, oh, you know. And then I finally showed up five hours later and you weren't there. And I'm like, oh, okay, whatever, you know. But, you know, eventually. One of the scary things about asking for help is there's only so much, no matter what age you are, that people can even really help you. That's one of the scariest things, right? You can't show up, and even if you had somebody who could help you, no one could show up and fight bullies for you every day. No, no. I didn't have a brother. I mean, I didn't have a brother. I didn't have a dad. I didn't have anybody, so I was just on my own. But I think about, I guess it was about 20 years ago, I was driving through this little town, and the town was crazy. They were tearing down the old mill. It was one of those post-NAFTA, just ruining the town kind of thing. And I picked up a nail in my tire, and I pulled in this little tire place, and here was this 80-year-old man. And he comes in, and he fixes my tire, and he just picked on me relentlessly. The 80-year-old? Yeah. Why? I mean, out of clear blue. He never saw me before in his life. He just picked on me and insulted me, and he had me laughing so hard. He was like one of those older members of your family who would just give you a hard time. Okay, I see. I see where you're going now. And so after that, I had another issue with my vehicle, and it was like three hours away. I thought, I'm going to go to him. I'm going to go to him. I'm going to go to him because he had enough respect to, to treat me like crap. Right. He wasn't like trying to get my money. He wasn't like, you know, ignoring me. He had enough respect to treat me like one of his grandkids. Yeah. Yeah. And so I went back to him. His name's Mr. Cagle. He's in Western West end, North Carolina. He's probably 89 at this point. So I go back to him and I'm like, uh, Mr. Cagle, I got this going on. well, why the hell didn't you fix that yourself? I said, I don't know how. He said, get over here, son. And he started showing me how to do that. I mean, and I drive old trucks. I think I know what I'm doing. I get the old repair manuals. He's like, get over here, son. And he just flat out showed me. Yeah, that doesn't exist anymore. I mean, that's what your grandfather would do to you, right? He was going to give you hell. He was going to pick on you. He was going to just give you hell, right? But he was going to teach you how to do it. If you can find one person in your life like that, I don't care what it is, hunting, fishing, vehicle repair, you find one old man who's just going to give you hell. You better cherish that person like nobody else on earth because there are not many of them. And then you better figure out how to be the same person. Yeah, that's a good point. That is a good point. Carry that torch a little bit. Yeah. I'm not good with it. I never had, I had no brothers and sisters. I have no kids of my own. I'm, you know, when it comes to kids, someone asked me that I was talking with a girl the other day and she's like, I'm going to change in diapers. I'm like, I never changed diaper in my life. And she looked at me like it was an alien. I have no experience with children. But you know what children do with me? They climb me like a tree. They just run up to me and just climb me like a tree. You know, you can be approachable. Yeah, that's an art, right? That's a lost art, too. It's a weird thing. But you look at America and you think about if we were able to come back, you know, everybody's on the same page right now with America being divided and culturally divided and, you know, the whole politically, the whole thing. But I always like to think, you know, if we could come back from killing each other north versus south to the tune of, you know, 500,000. 500,000, yeah. Then I think we could probably figure out how to get along again just because we disagree about, you know, whatever things it is that certain people assume others disagree with them about. We can get over the mean bumper stickers and the mean t-shirts and the red hats. I think we can come back to that. Well, you know, my mom's neighbor down the street. I live in the woods, so when I talk about a neighbor, I'm talking about my mom's neighbors. Yeah, he's from Pittsburgh. He's a liberal Democrat and, oh, what would I say? Militant, as can be. Militant as can be, right. 76-years-old baby boomer. He's going to get in your face. I said, Rick, you like eggplant parm? He said, I haven't had eggplant parm since I left Pittsburgh or my mom's house. I said, Rick, I'm going to bring you an eggplant parm. I brought him an eggplant parm. We're like best friends now. Yeah. We'll talk politics for like five minutes. We're not going to agree. Let it go. What else you got to talk about? Let's talk sports. He loves sports. You don't have to talk politics. You know what I think it is? It's because that's all people know now. It's their passion now. You know what I mean? You can't talk to people about a whole lot of different things because they're not... I mean, it's not that they're not smart. It's just that, I don't know, there's no passion in there for things. You know, I would give you the craziest, stupidest aside ever. We're about the same age. Where did we grow up on? WKRP in Cincinnati. My favorite show. Maybe Three's Company. Sanford and Son. The Jeffersons. We could go down that list. We could get back to Andy Griffith or Petticoat Junction or we could, you know, the Beverly Hillbillies if we wanted to go back far enough, right? Yeah. Now you turn on television, what is it? We've gone through the reality show era. It's brutal. Now we're in the, I don't even know what. Oh, we went through the, well, from 1990 to probably 2010, it was nothing but cop shows, crime shows. Cop shows, detective shows, yeah. Yes, NCIS, CSI. There's no fun anymore. You know what? My grandfather, I bring him back up. My grandfather, born in 1918, Southern Democrat. You would expect him to be like this, you know, racist, whatever. He was never. His best friend was actually black. But his favorite show, Sanford Sun. Yeah, it was a great show. He would laugh at Red Fox. He thought he was the most funny. He was great. You big dummy. He was just great. And the thing is, Red Fox's best friend from high school was Malcolm X. Yeah, I didn't know that. I have a little bit of an affinity for Malcolm X, to be honest with you, even though you wouldn't have liked me very much. Yeah, I know. A stop clock's price a day. I know exactly what you're saying. He made some very salient points. But you have one man that tried to be divisive and contentious, and you had another that said– And even with all his flaws, I mean, let's look at Red Flux. I mean, he was a cocaine act. He was a crazy, yeah. He brought people together just for showing humor and common humanity. Yeah. Yeah, I can't even think of an example of a show like that on TV now. No. Is there anything like that? New? You know, no. I mean, Blast Man Standing probably was the last one. The closest thing is like Housewives, you know what I mean? That's like the closest thing. I think it was a show called Black-ish or something that was on regular TV. You know, Eddie Murphy. Oh, yeah. Eddie Murphy did a crazy cartoon in the 90s called The PJs. It was so funny. But, I mean, that's, you know, I'm thinking more along the lines of Black shows. But, oh, gosh, that was funny. I remember that one. Yeah. Oh, man, that was funny. Did you ever see The PJs, though? I don't think I'd ever saw the PJs. So few people watched that show. I love Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy and Steve Martin. You asked me my two favorite comedians from the 1980s. That's going to be them. And, of course, Steve Martin played the jerk. And I'm always like, I identify with that character probably more than anybody else. But it was just so. It was like a 3D cartoon. Yeah. It was kind of like K. Arnold or something. Yeah. It was hilarious. And so few people got it, but see, you know, I grew up in a majority black town. So, uh, I grew up with people like this and he grew up with people like that. And it was like, there's this Korean guy who marries his sister-in-law. Right. And his name's Jimmy Ho. He says, Jimmy, how do you like your coffee? And he says, I like my coffee, but the way I make, I like my coffee the way I like my women. And he says, Give Jimmy Ho a big fat ass black coffee. It's so politically incorrect, right? It's so offensive, but it's just like, yeah, it's just like Sanford and son. It's just like, you know, and I, on the white side, I can't even think of one. Uh, honestly, I mean, we're so tame in comparison. Oftentimes, uh, I mean, you got to go back to Archie Bunker. You know what I mean? The white people are so petrified to say anything anymore that I don't think they could put out a sitcom. You get enough of them in a room, they just probably paralyze. Oh, we can't say that. We can't cover this. We can't do that. We can't do a show on that. I don't know if we can have a whole white family on TV anymore. So we didn't have a problem with that. You know, the other day somebody was saying that Friends was politically incorrect. I'm like, what? Friends? Really? Yeah. Seinfeld? Seriously? I mean, you know, we got some great comedians. I mean, yes, me and my favorite white comedian, I'm probably going to go with Rodney Dangerfield. I like to hear somebody just be absolutely, you know, or Groucho Marx. Man, Groucho Marx was horrible. I thought he was something really special. Absolutely. Oh, and like I said, Steve Martin. Bill Murray. Man, Bill Murray in Caddyshack. You remember that? Of course. Caddyshack? Groot? I still watch Groot every Christmas, man. Oh, absolutely. So I'm out there with the Dally Lamb, and I see Lamby. Lamby, you Dally Lambiness. I think you ought to hit it a little bit to the right. He says, at the time of your death, you're going to experience perfect awareness. And I said... Well, I had that going for me, which is nice. He was, I mean, yeah. Oh, man, the Blues Brothers. I am, you know, I am the living embodiment of the Blues Brothers as far as I'm concerned. I'm just saying. I can't do the splits and the flips like John Belucci, but I also don't eat the little powdered donuts like John Belucci. Well, there you go, right? Yeah. Yeah, man. I think to circle back, I think what you said is something I haven't heard many people say. And that's what it is. Where's the fun? Where's the fun? It's all drama. It's all sex. It's all slander. That's right. And where the hell is the fun? We take things way too seriously these days. I mean, yeah, absolutely. They're too, you know. got a lot going for me in life, but I can do two things. When I meet somebody, I can make them laugh, and I can talk about food. Hey, you're a good. Time as far as I'm concerned. Well, we all eat. Tell me what your favorite food is. Let's talk about this. It's a commonality. People just get so militant and serious and stupid. Somebody once said, evil is dumb. Yeah, I like that. At first, I didn't really understand that. I thought evil is dumb. Well, okay, does that mean good wins out in the end? People make bad choices. No, you know what it actually is? Good is smart. Good engages. Good has a sense of humor. Good has a way of bringing about community. Evil is dumb because dumb people can't do that. What's your common IQ. Of a prison? 80-ish. Probably. Right? Yeah. It's not because they're necessarily born bad. It's because when you're not very smart, you're like... It's easier to wreck something than build something, right? Yeah, you wreck something. You fight. You find contention. I mean, you think about... I won't try to throw out a stereotype here, but say there's certain women you know in your life who are constantly angry at other women about something they said about them, right? I thought that was women. That's what I'm saying. There are others who can rise above that. When the IQ breaks at about 80, you're going to have a lot of backbiting and, you know. Talking about other people and she said that about me and he said can you believe that yeah yeah well you can step away we all did trust me i always say people make their own trouble i'll be where i'll be driving through the countryside i'll see this like beautiful idyllic they're just nothing about there but sheep pastures and woods and i see two houses together and i think i bet somebody's yeah There's going to be infidelity. There's going to be somebody stole something. People make their own trouble. That's so true. That is so true. But if you could just step it back, step above it, just for a moment. You can still have humor about it. I think about my favorite white comedian, actually, James Gregory. James Gregory was a southern comedian from Atlanta. And he just gave these incredible... like recitations of things he heard when he was a child. You know, like going to the funeral home. And it's like, you see that car he was driving? It was smashed all to hell. You know, he never did pay for that car. His daddy financed it. I know because he asked me for a loan. This is the stuff. And it's just like, we all know it. We all grew up with it. We all recognize it. And if you could just, you can still have fun with it. Sanford and Son and all that, that's just, you know, that's real life. But if you could just step above it for a minute and think, you know, none of us are as good as we ought to be. We all make mistakes. None of us know everything. Definitely not. Just, you know, just go and say, hey, I see your car's running hot. Can I give you a hand? Sounds like your battery's dead. Can I give you a jump? My battery's dead. Can you give me a jump? Can you give me a jump? Right, yeah. Yeah, and then you just maybe talk sports for a minute, and then next time you see somebody... that's going to be your buddy. And if we just went through life like that, things would be a whole lot better. It's so crazy because that, that up until now was life. Like what you're describing was just what life always has been and always was, but only recently it's become this weird siloed, isolated game that we all play. You know what I mean? Or that, you know, the majority of people play. Yeah. Strange, Judson. Strange times we live it in. Will we make it back or will we just fight the robots to the death, I wonder? I don't know. It all starts with the breakdown of the family. Yeah, that's huge. That is huge. If you grow up with a bunch of brothers and sisters and cousins and great uncles and great aunts and people just interacting and picking on you and just You take that away and you go, well, I think about these school shooters. And all of them come from broken homes. I've come from a divorced family. I understand. But I had older, like my great uncle Joe was a lunatic. And I mean that in the best way possible. He was a fighter pilot from Vietnam. He would pick on me. He took me up in a plane when I was like nine years old and taught me to fly by stalling it out and letting it go. Oh, my. And then laughing at me. All right, what you're going to do now is. Yes. And then laughing at me for peeing my pants. He was an absolute asshole and one of my favorite people on the face of this earth. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point, man. You don't roll with that kind of person now. No. And he was, his own kids had issues with him. Okay. I mean, I'm not saying he was easy to get along with. He was manic depressive. He was wild. He was insane. I mean, he was just, and it turned out we were actually kind of two of a kind. And as I grew up, we were, he was like, you want to go up and fly for a little while? And I'm like 11 years old and I'm taking off and landing. And he's like, I'm going to have a drink and take a nap. And, you know, we broke every law on the face of the earth, right? Not everybody's going to have somebody like that. But if you grow up in like complete isolation where all you know is social media and, you know. Yeah, that's not hard to do these days either. It's not hard to have a life like that. Yeah. That's what starts a school shooter. That's what starts a transgender person down that pathway. That's what starts, yeah. You've got to have somebody just to give you hell. And if you don't have it, it's not going to turn out so good. Yeah. That's a rare thing. You hardly ever hear anybody talk about that. But it is those people that make a Make an impression on you. And, you know, even if it is hell, like, I can think of many people in my life like that. Some who are close to me in family. Some who are in my life for a very short period of time. But they do, you do make big decisions based off of those experiences. You know what I mean? Those kinds of times when you're treated poorly, you're like, I'm going to do this to avoid that. Or I'm going to do this so that doesn't happen anymore. Well, I think about my Aunt Geneva. Oh, my gosh. She was the biggest, most severe woman you could imagine. She was huge. She had a face like a snowstorm, as Shakespeare would have said, right? That's a January face. Yeah. Only person in my life ever took interest in me. What are you going to do? What job are you thinking about? Who are you dating? You know? her own children just like thought she was so cold and, you know, the most warm person imaginable. And see, the thing is family dynamic, man. Right. Yeah. It's crazy. But see, we can also do that outside of the family. Yeah. You're right. You know, I mean, I had, I had a few people growing up like that. I had a couple of coaches, uh, I had a couple of teachers here and there, a neighbor every once in a while. You can absolutely do that, even with your own peer group. Kids need it now, man. They need it really bad now. They live in this crazy backwards universe where there are kids, I guess they get pictures taken of them constantly. So there's this idea that I'm important because there's pictures of me all over the internet, there's pictures of me all over the walls of the house, and then the parents are like, you know, go busy yourself with something. So they're like, part of their world, they're like, I know I'm important because i'm everywhere but they never seem to really want to pay me any attention so i can't figure this out you know what. You know what was funny i guess i was about a sophomore at the university of georgia and we had a uh teacher professor she was a grad student teaching assistant from romania And I very quickly learned the difference between American and Eastern European. Right. I loved it. I thought she was, I thought she was fricking hilarious. She would say, no, that's not right. No, no, you are wrong. You are wrong. And we had this whole classroom full of kids. 19 years old, who had never been told they were wrong in their lives. It's the first time ever anybody told them no. Yeah, we're talking pretty blind girls, right? And she says, no, I don't think so. And the girl, she's like, you always tell me I'm wrong. And she said, would it be better if I told you you were right when you were wrong? You will leave here thinking you are right when you are wrong. It was a revelation to me. I mean, for me, I was, you know, I grew up getting a hard time. For this pretty blonde girl, that was like the first time in her life anyone had ever said, Which is a shame. And it wasn't, she was totally wrong. It was, you're a little wrong and change your opinion, change this, and you get it right, right? And she's over there crying. And I thought it was the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Well, I mean, all I see in that is divorce. You know what I mean? You wind up locked up with a girl like that and you know what's going to happen? There's going to be a divorce because you're dealing with somebody who's never heard no before. And now she's your wife. Good luck. Yeah. But be careful with those Romanians. They carry a knife in their boot. I learned that as well. Not a Romanian. The blog girl. I got you. Yeah. No, it's right. No, no, no. One of my most recent ex-girlfriends is just a fricking Barbie doll. And, um, she's got a great position administrator in a hospital. And, um, I wouldn't trust her to watch my dog. Wow. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I mean, she's a great girl. I like her, but I mean, uh, as far as competency, I mean, just practical skills. I mean, that's what I mean. I don't mean she doesn't do her job. Well, I mean, she's not intelligent, you know, practical life skills. Uh, she can't change a tire. When you're handed everything, you know, you probably had a dad who had a lot of money or something like that and wanted his princess to get everything she wanted. Exactly. Yeah. And that's what you wind up with. You wind up with a person who's like, where's the, uh, where's the help? Yeah. She got an older brother. Yeah. She's got an older brother. She'll does everything for, you know, and I mean, I like her. I'm not complaining. I'm not criticizing. I'm just saying you got to learn to do things for yourself, right? Yeah, it's necessity for sure. Sometimes you need a good smack in the head. I need it a lot. I'm sure I'll need it. Me too. I hear you. No doubt about that. Keep the belt, you know, ready at all times for James Walton because I could use them anytime. Oh, speaking of which, look what I got today. See this sucker? Oh, yeah. There you go. Perfect. It's a change purse. It goes right. It snaps to your belt. It comes off at one move. Got $ 10 worth of quarters in there. A few other coins. That's a good 8, 10 ounces. That'll smack you up. That'll wake you up. No doubt about it. Well, I don't want to keep you too long, man. It's hard to believe, but we just burned through an hour 30. I bet we could do. No problem. No problem. Hey, when I left the room, the Braves were up eight to one over the Phillies. So as long as that's the case, when we get out of here, I'm going to be very happy. You're a Braves guy, huh? Oh, you know it. TBS, 1990s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What am I thinking? Of course. Yeah. Who wouldn't? Yeah, you're probably a Phillies fan. Dude, there was no choice growing up outside of Philadelphia. Well, I tell you the truth. Oh, yeah. Where the Braves aren't in it, I love the Phillies. I really do. I love the Cubs. I love any of the old teams. Any of the old teams that had the great old announcers like the Dodgers or Vin Scully. um yeah harry carey i mean yeah i mean i just i love classic baseball so i'm not that partisan when it comes to baseball but yeah i'm a brace fan at. Heart it's a great time no doubt about it oh. Great amazing we'll never see another vince scully we'll never see another harry carey those guys uh bob euchre. Those announcers are a thing of the past, man. Just a bit outside. There you go. We got Merle Reese still hanging on for the Eagles. He's one of the best. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Did you ever see Skip Carey? Skip would say, it's the bottom of the night, the bases are loaded, and I am too. No. Imagine trying to fly that one these days. Ah, it's a 1.30 start. It's what we call a businessman special, and you'd be surprised to see how many of the businessmen brought their secretaries today. Oh, man. Yeah. Dude, what were you talking about? Fun, right? Oh, man. Now I'm hyper-polished, and everything's got to be perfect, and you've got to have a man and a woman and a this and a that. Check, check, check. All right, we're ready to broadcast. And then, Ben. Vince Scully would give you the history of the National Anthem or something. In between plays. You'd be watching the game, and he's giving you a minute-by-minute breakdown of the War of 1812. And you're just like... These guys were amazing. There was a human underneath it all. There was a human in there somewhere, I think. Yeah. Or what was the same? Paul Harvey. Don't forget Paul Harvey. And now you know the rest of the story. Yeah, it's a different time. There's no doubt about it. We've got to bring humanity back, especially as AI is taking over. We've got to bring humanity back. 100%. That's the only thing that's going to It's set apart, right? I mean, once AI is smart enough to do everything we do, the only thing it won't have is the humanity, right? We're not going to be able to blow each other away with our great arguments about politicians and, you know, policy. How exciting. So that's going to be what it is. Got to keep plugging away. Did I say that or just the bots will take over? Well, listen, man, you are a... You really are a gem. I'll back at you. No, I appreciate being on Prepper Broadcasting Network so much. I have so much fun with it. I get to meet so many great people. And yeah, it's just an honor and a pleasure. We appreciate you. And yeah, you've created something over there. For those of you listening, if you go to PrepperBroadcasting.com and search herbal medicine for preppers, you'll go. And then you'll have to scroll for, you know, 20 minutes straight to see the collection of shows that this guy's created for you. I mean, it's phenomenal. It's amazing. But thank you so much for joining me, man. We got to do more. This little, right, whatever we're doing here. This was supposed to be a 15-minute show. Oh, really? Okay. You better book me weekly. I knew it was going to be gold once we got started. I said, oh, this is going to be fun. We're going to have fun with this. Next time I'll pour a bourbon and we can just go for three hours. Yeah. I think we could do that handily. And we should. Because I have a feeling tomorrow people are going to email me and say, man, it was nice hearing that side of Judson, too. You know? Oh, well, hey, let's cook together sometime. We'll just turn the cameras on, run a live spot, cook up some Sunday gravy with a good bourgeois. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good with that. That I can go for. We need to do some seafood. Oh, yeah. We could do some seafood, too. No doubt about that. I was just thinking I could go for a Brazil right now. That's a good one. I haven't had one in a while, but that is. I haven't either. It's probably been five years. Yeah. Tied up for hours. Been for hours. You got beef, pork. You got chicken in there. You got everything. Good sausage. Oh, man. I could go for that. I could seriously go for that. That would be a nice one to sleep on, right? Spaghetti. Yeah. No doubt. Snore. Wife would kick me out. Snore too loud. What was it? The line from Moonstruck. You'll be up when you're supposed to be down. That's a good movie. Do you want to talk about good movies? Moonstruck. Far underrated. Moonstruck is a sleeper of a film. That is a great movie. Another thing that was unbelievable in the 90s, right? Early 90s movies were unreal. I don't know when Moonstruck was. Oh, yeah. Nicolas Cage in that movie. Oh, man, I'm telling you. Olivia de Havilland. There were so many good movies. You could start with, like, I mean, I'm thinking food now. I'm thinking of The Godfather. I'm thinking about Sausage and Peppers. But, I mean, going up through Fried Green Tomatoes from my neck of the woods. There were so many good movies. Oh, that's a heartbreaker. Fried Green Tomatoes will break your heart. Anyway. The early 90s were absolutely... 93, 95. Those years were just epic with movies. I mean, all the big movies. Oh, yeah, they really were. Made in sequels of the 6th or 7th all sort of came out of that time. Oh, no doubt. I mean, I'd start... I'd go back to, like, Spaceballs, man, and The Goonies. All the Lost Boys. Oh, what world is, like. Man, all these, like, S.E. Hinton movies. What was it? Stay Gold, Ponyboy. Yeah, and, like, Pretty in Pink and The Heathers. Oh, yeah, The Heathers was awesome. You've got to love that. That was great. Yeah, man. I think it was one of my favorites. They had those great actor runs back in those days, like the Christian Slater run. Yeah. You know what I mean? Christian Slater, yeah. There was just like– everybody had their– Robin Williams had a run. It was great, you know. Of course, Carrie. Absolutely. Carrie was crazy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. No, there was one we mentioned earlier. Oh, it was the– ah, what is the name of that movie? Classic like Brat Pack movie had the– The song, don't you forget about me. Man, all those were so good. They really were. Did you ever see the show Psych? No. Oh, okay. You got to go watch Psych. Okay. I'm just telling you. It was a comedy mystery show that ran for a couple years. It was nothing but, like, Dennis Miller movie references and comedy and music. I mean, pure 80s, new wave. Now you've got to be thinking of the 90s Saturday Night Live, man. Oh, yeah. Dennis Miller, he'd touch his eye and he'd laugh. Yeah. Go watch that. It was The Breakfast Club. We mentioned a few a little bit back. Those movies, The Breakfast Club and Pretty in Pink and The Heathers. Oh, man. Rock and Roll High School with the Ramones. Did you ever see that one? No, I don't think I ever saw Rock and Roll High School. Oh, dude, the Ramones. My favorite rock band of all time. I definitely see you loving some Ramones for sure. Oh, you know I love some Ramones. It's either for me it's the Ramones or the Velvet Underground. Go back and watch Rock and Roll High School. That was the stupidest best 80s movie. Dude, that's another thing. That was so good. I'm just telling you. That's another thing. When's the last comedy on par with the Murrays that we were talking about and stuff that came out? Like, when is the last time somebody put out a comedy and you were like, dude, you've got to see it? Well, there'll never be another airplane. I mean, there'll never be another naked gun. There'll never be another Blazing Saddles or Young Frankenstein. Young Frankenstein is one of. My favorites, man. You know it. Oh, yes, absolutely. I love Wilder, man. Gene Wilder was so good. Gene Wilder was awesome. Did you ever see See No Evil, Hear No Evil? Oh, Gene Wilder, Richard Pryor. Come on. Oh, yeah. Man with two brains. All of me. Yeah. All those were just phenomenal. I would say if I had to think about the last really funny, stupid movie, I love the Waterboy. The Waterboy. Yes. Sandler was great, too. He had a great. You can do it. Great run of movies, Big Daddy. Oh, yeah. Happy Gilmore, yeah, certainly. Joe Dirt. Joe Dirt was great, yeah. I'm telling you. They were all part of that last line of SNL before SNL went down the toilet. They were like Mike Myers and all those guys. And don't forget SCTV. SCTV with like, oh, Strange Brew. Remember that movie, Strange Brew? I don't remember SCT. Oh, man. That's where John Candy started out and Rick Moranis. And, yeah, it was the Canadian version of Saturday Night Live. It was really, really funny. Not Kids in the Hall. Are you talking Kids in the Hall? No, Kids in the Hall was like the sequel to that. Yeah. Yeah. I was on Kids in the Hall for sure, man. See, there was this weird channel in North Carolina. This guy in Raleigh bought the rights to all these weird Canadian movies and TV shows. So when I was like 10, I was watching SCTV. And it had John Candy and Joe Flaherty and all these, like the eighties comedians. So you would know, but they were starting out in Canada and it was like, So it was like the bad version of SNL. Like the, you mean, you mean like R rated or like crap? No, I mean like not good enough to be. And it was really, really funny. Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis was great. Yeah. He was on there. Movies. Oh man. Oh, what's the dude's name? Ed. Oh, I can't remember his name. There were so many great sketches from that, but they had this long-running series called The Great White North, which was supposed to be like a Canadian talk show. Oh, boy. And it'd be like, okay, take off, eh? And they did this movie called Strange Brew. It is like the stupidest 80s movie ever, and it was so freaking funny. I am not kidding you. That is one for the books. 80s was a crazy time, man. Yeah absolutely no doubt about it to. Me because i grew up like i came in late in the 80s so i didn't i don't really have a good taste of the. 80s but right well i was born in 77 so you know i was like 10 and 87 yeah. Yeah it always felt to me like the 80s was like this uh they were like mixing up the 90s getting ready to pour out what was going to be the 90s you know what i mean like let's get it right. Here it was just so weird and It was weird. That's exactly what the hell it was. And the music, I mean, you'd have like the B-52s and the Talking Heads and... Yeah. I mean, just... Yeah. I mean, the music was so weird. It was so creative. I look back on. You couldn't sing worth a shit, but everybody listened. Oh, yeah. Loved it. What was his name? Robert Palmer. I mean, there was just so many... Just... What was that guy? What was the thing... You didn't click on a link in an email because it would play that song by that guy from the 80s. Oh, Rick Roll. Yeah, Rick Rolling. I mean, it was an odd decade. And I only, like I said, I was born in 77, so I didn't get. Was that? I said, was it the cocaine you think? Probably a lot. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You think about Rick James and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Probably. But yeah, I mean, just great comedy though. Oh, yeah. What about Bob? I mean, that would be like sort of a late one that kind of came in there with Bill Murray and yeah, man. I mean, so many of those movies are just, I mean, you, man, you just like roll the dice and you know, you're gonna be laughing for an hour. Yeah, all the national lampoons. Oh, absolutely. Chevy Chase, man. Are you kidding me? Yeah, he was great. It was amazing. You know who was good, too? Who doesn't get a lot of credit? Martin Short. He was phenomenal. Love Martin Short. He was also on SCTV. Oh, was he really? Yeah, he was. I don't think he was on there more than a year or two. And my buddy Emo Phillips. I got to know Emo on Twitter X a couple of years ago. He was a comedian in the 80s. He was so funny. You would probably recognize his voice and his presentation more than you would remember the name. He was like Kiwi Herman. Yeah, he looks skinnier and weirder. And he was like, the other day I was walking down the road. And I saw my friend Jimmy and I ran up to him. I slapped him on the back and I said, Hey, you son of a gun i haven't seen you since you were five years old and he began crying and that's when i realized jimmy would have grown up too so wackadoo i ran into him Yeah, I ran into him on Twitter a couple years ago, and I've kept in touch with him, and he is still just as out there and crazy and ironic and just a loon. I remember he said, I was walking down the road, and I heard some guys on the roof, and they were working on the roof, and they were hammering, and one of them called me a paranoid little weirdo in Morse code. Yeah, we traded the fun crazy for the real crazy. Yeah. Everything's political now. Everything's militant. Everything's just not fun. And I think we need to get back to Bootsy Collins and Rick James and, you know, just... Oh, Talking Heads, and I mean, what was good in the 90s? I loved Blind Melon, No Rain. That was such a fun song, a nice song. Wow. His music was great. Awesome. There was some really, yeah, Love, Tom Petty, absolutely, and so many great bands. But then, of course, The Dead was still around, and the Allman Brothers were still around, and You know, I mean, you could get four or five decades of music in one 30 minutes of turn on the radio, drive down the road. Yeah, the radio was way better. Oh, so much better. It's a cross section of decades worth of music. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Paul Simon. I mean, all these guys that, you know, weren't of our generation, but they were so great to listen to. Well, you could get oldies, too. You could get genuine oldies. I know oldies are our music now, but you could get doo-wop and 50s, 60s. Absolutely. On the radio. I can't believe that stuff doesn't fly on the radio nowadays. I know. I mean, where would you put, like, social distortion now? Oh, that would be fun. Yeah, I mean, but you apparently know Social Torture. Most people listening to this will not, but they were a punk band that did 50s and country music. Yeah, yeah. Where would you put them? Some kind of college, some college networks with some cool kids running it and pull it up because their dad listened to it or something. The Dictators. I mean, so many crazy– GWAR. I mean, there's nowhere– no, there's nothing like– yeah. They might be giants. Where in the world would you classify they might be giants now? I mean– That was the beauty of that stuff, though. Things didn't fit. There was no categorizing some things. The movies were like that. Tarantino flicks early on, they were like that. Sure. You know what I mean? It was like, where do we put this? This is crazy. Is this a romance, an action, a comedy? Mm-hmm. Are you thinking about those guys that did Airplane? They did so many crazy movies, like the Kentucky Fried movie. Oh, man. There's never going to be another one like that. Like the parody they did of the Bruce Lee movie. Listen to me. Concentrate. Oh, yeah. You couldn't get away with it. No way. You couldn't get away with it. No way. And nobody got hurt. Nobody died. Nobody cried. Nobody in history was like, I watched that movie and I just was never the same. It was racist to me. And it made me feel bad. You know what I mean? They probably had just as much fun laughing as we all did. Oh, hell. I mean, think about the Shaft movies of the 70s. You remember Shaft? Yeah, that's a good one. Richard Roundtree and Isaac Hayes. Man, those things were crazy. You'd be like, you jive, turkey. And that was like the biggest insult on the face of the earth, right? You jive, turkey. I know it. Yeah, it was fun. All right, man. Well, I'm going to run. I'm going to go pick some supper. 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