Church and State-Brushfires of Freedom with Dr. Jon Padfield

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Lastly, if you want to get a hold of us Church and State seventeen seventy six at Proton dot me that let's go ahead and bring on our guests. I'm pleased to bring to you doctor John Padfield. He's an engineer turned state legislator turned business professor. He's been an electrical engineer, an Indiana state representative twice nineteen ninety four. In nineteen ninety six and did not decide to run for a third term and is now a business professor, consultant, and keynote speaker, and he also just officiated his first wedding here. So, John, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. Caleb, thank you for that introduction. It's a pleasure to be with you, and I look forward to our discussion today. Yeah, as do I. You know, just to start doing a little bit of a background here, you know, electrical engineer to a politician, is is a really interesting career move. Yeah. I graduated from Purdue in nineteen eighty eight, went straight to work for General Motors, and shortly into my career GM asked me to move to New York State. I was working in Lockport, New York, just outside of Buffalo. I lived up there in nineteen ninety and when I moved back to Indiana in nineteen ninety one, that is really where I got me politically active. I did not want Indiana becoming like New York. I had this naive being born and raised in Indiana. I had this naive view that the whole country was like Indiana. And that one year in New York really opened my eyes and started getting me politically active to realize that state leadership has a tremendous impact on people's lives, and that's what eventually led me to run for office. I ran in ninety two as a libertarian. I think I set the record that still stands to this day, seventeen percent of the vote for state office as a libertarian. But in nineteen ninety four I ran as Republican, won the seat, and ran again in ninety six one reelection, and chose not to run in nineteen ninety eight. Sure, and I can definitely respect that people watch the show. No, I'm a very outspoken libertarian, a Christian libertarian, and as a former politician as well. You know, I definitely held to that the Constitution and libertarianism. But you know, unfortunately in this country there's there's definitely that two party system that our founding fathers warned us against. But definitely libertarians are are going to be on that side of very limited government and personal freedom, and that's I think that's something that we could we should definitely go back to as a country. Agree the symbol that I have over here, the Statue of Liberty, that's the closest thing I have to a political symbol in my office. Just for anyone watching on this side. I have a Greek Goddess of Wisdom and War, and not that I'm into pagan religions, but I always was fascinated by mythology, and one of the things that really captured my attention, the Goddess of wisdom and War was the same entity. But I view these two statues liberty and a constant reminder about it takes wisdom and unfortunately sometimes action to protect liberty. Yeah, amen to that. I mean, we just celebrated two hundred and fifty years as a republic. I always want to remind people that we are republic versus a democracy. But we're seeing a lot of We're seeing a lot of cracks in the system. I would say, some very deep issues, and I would submit to you that we're actually operating more like an empire than we are as a republic. One of my most recent videos out on my YouTube channel YouTube Slash at Business Reform. But one of my most recent videos was a deep dive on the preamble to the Declaration of Independence. I posted this just a few days before the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the signing of the Declaration, and in the preamble Jefferson wrote most of it, but it was doctor Benjamin Franklin who contributed The fairies self evident, which is a mathematical term, and it means this is so obvious, I don't have to go into any more detail to explain it. And the self evident truths that are held in the preamble, one of them is to secure these rights, right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. So there is our purpose a government. Number one purpose a government to secure our rights. Number two, to secure these rights. Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. This was a self evident truth, so elemental, so fundamental that it doesn't need any more explanation. And then the declaration goes on saying when government is operating without the consent of the governed, which is basically what they are saying to the King, we are not giving our consent to what you're doing. And when a government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to throw off that form of government and to come up with something new to protect their liberties. And I stress in my video. I'm not saying we're at that point yet, but we are certainly moving in that direction. You look at all of the flock cameras that are going up nationwide and people showing up at city and county council meetings saying, we don't want these shut up little citizen go home. We know better than you were putting them up anyway. And it's ten times worse when it comes to data centers. When there is a Festus, Missouri, they had to move the camera for a city or county council I think of a city council. They had to move the city council meeting to a high school gymnasium because there were hundreds of people that wanted to out, And for two solid hours, person after person got up to say how opposed they were to the data center going into Festus, and then the city council voted six to two in order to approve it and over everyone's objection. The happy ending to that story is two weeks later were the primaries and every city council member that was on the ballot was voted out. So there was the government taking their making their voices heard, and firing half of the city council that were on the ballot two weeks later. Yeah, I absolutely love that story, and it shows that there is still power with the people in this great country. You know, I love what you were talking about. I tell people all the time when a politician knocks on your door and they're running for office, that the first question you should ask them is what is the purpose of government? And you nailed it, you know, because why because it's easy, because it's written in our founding document. It's too secure rights. But when you ask a politician this, you get a whole slew of different answers, you know, kind of goofy stuff, depending on where they run. You know, sometimes you get somebody that's actually a socialist and they'll give you a whole bunch of answers about what government. Should be doing. But it's just that simple LEAs and gentlemen to secure our rights. And one of the things that I also wanted to point out, you know, you read through the twenty seven grievances that they that they list out in the Declaration of Independence, and I challenge the audience, get print this out for yourself and put a check mark on every single one of what our current system is doing. I think you're going to be a little bit surprised at how many of those exist, actually in worse form. Than they did when we rebelled against England. What was the tax on tea in seventeen seventy six, right, and compare that to what we're paying today. And yes, wars have been fought over less than what's going on right now. Yeah, most certainly. And you know one of the ones that stands out to me is this. You know, it talks about that there's a a that they've enacted all these different officials to eat out our substance, right to harass us and eat out our substance. I just flew. I was. I was in Vegas for the Red Pill Expo and Freedom Fest, and every time I go through the TSA lines, I'm like, well, here we go again. You know, here's this this this government entity to harass me and eat out of my substance. Let's see, this is July. The last two months have been such a blur. I've been traveling all over. But about three or four weeks ago, I was in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. While I was there for a Brushfires, a freedom tour event. I had the opportunity to interview Lauren Rodriguez. Lauren's husband Keone was arrested and to say he was arrested as an understatement. She did an interview with me and she described before before the sun broke the horizon, they heard something out on the front lawn. It was an armored car, an m WRAP mine resistant anti anti mine vehicle. The FBI drove an m RAP onto their front lawn. They had drones in the air, and between forty and fifty heavily armed FBI agents broke into their house, pulled them out of bed, dragged them outside of their house. She was talking about being in handcuffs and pushed through the front door of her house and looking down and seeing six laser dots on her chest and her husband Kilne is who they were after he was accused of writing privacy software. No history of violence whatsoever, no criminal record whatsoever. The worst thing this man's ever had in his life was a speeding ticket. And they had to send between forty and fifty heavily armed agents with an armored vehicle because he may have broken a law related to software. And he ended up pleading guilty and accepting a five year sentence because they were threatening him with a twenty year sentence, and there were enough learning signs about the entire system being rigged that he thought it was in his best interest to take the guaranteed five rather than gambling with an additional twenty if he didn't take a plea deal. But the whole point is sending forth that swarm of agents. That is I don't know anything to call it other than an abuse of power. This is not about officer safety when you send that many people in. In fact, I would argue just the opposite. You take forty to fifty people with automatic weapons and send them into one room together, that is probably a lot more dangerous than sending in two or three heavily armed people. The officer safety is an absolute joke when you start putting that many people with that type of armament and sending them into one room while it's still dark outside. You're absolutely right. The story infuriates me. And just knowing myself, you know, I served in the United States Marine Corps. I have firearms. If somebody breaks into my house early early morning, I'm gonna grab my gun. This is why we have warrants. This is why the police have to go to a judge to go get a warrant. And you knock on the door like a civilized human being, and you say, we have a warrant for your arrest. You know, most people, most law abiding citizens, are going to say, okay, this is clearly an error, but let's go figure this out. But instead they're treating us all like criminals to where we do these no knock warrants and they raid our homes with military vehicles and military equipment and arrest us for something like privacy software. Well, earlier this year, that happened late last year. Earlier this year, Derek Brose, myself and several other people spoke at Manerotopia in Mexico City. This is a cryptocurrency slash privacy four day event. I was one of the speakers the first day of the event. I believe he was the second speaker that morning. An American citizen. His name escapes me off the top of my head, but he lives in New York. American citizen who had flown down to Mexico City. Just as he was finishing his presentation and starting to step off stage, he was sworn by twenty Mexican federalis who arrested him in front of the entire audience. As soon as he was taken into custody, he was put on a plane flown back to Los Angeles, where he was met by federal marshalls at the Los Angeles airport, taken to the FBI Field office where he was held and then eventually released. Here's my question. The FBI wanted him, he had to purchase a plane ticket. It's not like they didn't know where he was. They knew to have the Mexican police pick him up in Mexico City. The warrant that they arrested him on in February had actually been issued in December, so they could have picked him up anytime over a two month window. Okay, what's the number one thing in the country today? Officer safety. That forget the constitution. Officer to safety is the most important thing in the world. So with that in mind, if you wanted to arrest someone, and you wanted to do it with the absolute minimum risk to officers, where would you arrest him? How about after he goes through the metal detector at the airport, why would you let him fly to a foreign country? Turn let him get loose in the city where he could have gotten the reat. Now, again, he has no history of violence. But if you're worried about officer safety, pick him up in the airport after he's gone through the metal detector. That is the safest place on earth to pick him up. But instead you let him fly to another country, let him loose in Mexico City for a day, and then pick him up. Now there's the potential he could have been armed at that point. This is not about officer safety. And again, no history of violence. Why did you need to send twenty officers to arrest him? Because they were trying to intimidate people like me, and I got news for him. It did just the opposite. I don't intimidate. There's a nord expression. Danger is real, Fear is a choice, and I choose not to be afraid. Well said there, you know, and the government has such a long history of doing things like this. As you were speaking, I was reminded of, you know, recently or recent events, what happened with the Bundes in Nevada and Oregon, or in Texas with the branch Davidians with David Koresh who it was not a good man. Okay, not a good man, but he jogged every single day through the town there, through Waco, and they could have arrested him then. Instead they made a big scene of it under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton and ultimately resulted in the deaths of a lot of innocent people. To be flat out, I mean, just to be open about it. Do you recall the name of the operation to raid him at the Davidian quote unquote compound. I don't know many compounds that are made out of plywood, but that's how they referred to it, the Davidian compound. But do you happen to recall the name of the operation to go get him at his home? It's Operation show Boat. Oh my gosh, of course. Operation show Boat. Wow, that's not telling. So here we are. We have this. It's been happening for years and years and years. All it takes is the people to remember that we have God give rights, as you said in the beginning of the episode, these self evident rights that God gave us. Take them back, ladies and gentlem Let's start. Living like free men and free women and remind the government that they work for us, that we don't work for them. When I was in the General Assembly in Indiana. There's a lot of boring things that happen. Every now and then, there's some fireworks, and that's what the media focuses on. But I will never forget being at the well the microphone at the front of the house and I made a comment about it was the states that created the federal government, and one of my colleagues got up to correct me. No, I'm wrong. It was the federal government that created the states. I'm speechless. I'm pretty sure there were thirteen states that voted on ratifying the US Constitution that formed the United States. Why did it have to be ratified by the states if the government, the federal government created the states, I don't think that individual knew anything about articles of Confederacy. I don't think he knew anything about American history. But no, I was correct in what I said. The states created the federal government. The federal government seems to have forgotten that. The states, in large part, seem to have forgotten that. But yeah, I really wish more people would study American history. I would agree and start operating under the ninth and tenth Amendments, which I would say are some of the most important amendments. And thank god for the anti federalists for these Bill of Rights, because the anti federalists were proven correct in their warnings. You'll go ahead, Well, I was just going to say. Patrick Henry one of my favorite, one of my favorite leaders in the Founding era. He argued against Virginia ratifying the US Constitution. He wanted Virginia to stay out of the United States, and he made a series of very passionate speeches, and I have a copy of those speeches. It's a thin book, but it's an entire book of his speeches against joining the United States. And in his speeches there's a couple of absolutely beautiful and eloquent quotes. As some people were talking about how much better this is going to be for trade, because as a nation strength in numbers, we can negotiate better tariffs and we can do this and that, and Patrick Henry got up and said, you are not to inquire how your trade may be increased, or how you should become a great and powerful people. That how your rights can be preserved, for liberty ought to be the direct end of your government. Patrick Henry nailed it, and he said you're all over here debating about how good is this going to be for us financially? You're losing sight that the purpose of government is securing our rights. And then the following day, as the debates continued about whether Virginia is going to join the union. And that's why it's called the United States, the states joined a union. And just as when hourly workers join a union, you are ceding some of your rights to the union to negotiate on your behalf, and that's a whole separate issue. With individuals joining the union, that's a whole separate issue. But when the states join a union, they are surrendering some of their rights as states to the federal government. So the federal government can act on behalf of all of the states in the union. But the second day, when Patrick Henry got back up to speak, he made the statement, guard with it, guard the public, lay suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will protect it but downright force. When you lose that force it, you are inevitably ruined. And so I use this analogy. If you're home in bed asleep, it's two am, and you hear somebody rattling the back door of your house, you don't just roll over and say it'll be fine. I'm sure I haven't locked. I'm just going to go back to sleep. No, you guard with you guard that precious jewel. Suspect everyone that approaches it. And if someone's trying to open my door at two am, I'm going to suspect them. I'm not just going to say it will be okay. That's the attitude we're supposed to have with our rights. But the whole issue that's come up recently with flock cameras and Leonardo's signal trace and all these other surveillance technologies that most people don't know about, but they they're going to hear about them if they come up to my public speaking events. I go over a number of different technologies that are already being used, the smart street lights that are being put up in many cities, especially in California. But Patrick Henry said, suspect anyone that approaches your liberty. And that's what I look at all of these big tech companies. They are approaching my rights. They are approaching my liberty, and I'm not just going to say, well, I'm sure they have good intent. Oh this is just going to be used against the bad guys. No, they are approaching my rights. I am going to defend my rights. Hey man, I couldn't have said that better myself. And you know, I've spoken a number of times at other events about this very issue about digital privacy. And one of the things I use is actually the Third Amendment. And you know nobody talks about the Third Amendment. That is the courting of soldiers, right, and this is a big deal during the revolution. I submit to people that this is the new soldier. This is the digital soldier. What I'm homelolding in my hand your phone, and you don't have to quarter that in your home. So start operating and exercising your rights as American citizens. We don't have a country, or we weren't supposed to have a country that's spied on its own citizens. And yet here we are with Flock and signal Trace and Palanteer, or these big tech corporations that view us as the enemy, view us with suspicion. It's time to replace them. All, I would agree. All right, So let's transition here, and I'm going to bring up where you're speaking, because I want people to go here. But I want to talk about what we can do here. I want to talk about signal trace and flock cameras. And there's been a massive movement of people that are very upset, and I love seeing that there's massive protests going on. Effect there's going to be a protest, I. Believe this weekend nationwide against all of these data centers that are coming up. People are waking up. They don't want to live in nineteen eighty four. It's interesting the data centers. We go through phases where there's a different bad guy. I go all the way back to the nineteen I was born in sixty six, so I don't remember the hippie movement much. I was too young. But for a while it was don't pick up hitchhikers, you know, the hippies are the danger to the country. And then get into the eighties and it's the drug dealers are or the real threat to the country. And then you get into the nineteen nineties. No, it's the Middle Eastern terrorists that are the threat to our country. And today now it's the we have to give up all online anonymity to protect the children. And this one grates on me like fingernails on a chalkboard. For a bunch of politicians to protect and hide records and cover up and allow Cabinet members to lie under oath to the US Senate about how well they know a particular deceased individual who own an island in the Caribbean. I only let him once, never so read him again. Nope, nope, nope, what about these pictures of you on his island? Oh? I forgot about that. For these people to cover up horrendous crimes that were committed against children and then turn around in their next breath and say, you're gonna have to use a photo ID, a government issued photo ID, to access the Internet because we care about children. Bull You absolutely do not care about children, or you would be doing something about the evidence that you have in your possession that you refuse to turn over because it's going to hurt somebody's friends. You're absolutely right, and once again going down your narrative, and I love that you went through you in these different eras. Look it up, ladies and gentlemen. The hippie movement and the spread of LSD. Guess who is responsible for that? The government? I want to talk about the eighties and all these drug dealers. You remember a little thing the Iran Contra scandal, ladies and gentlemen, Yeah. What was going on there? The government was flying in all of this. You remember the brave journalist Gary Webb who was assassinated, who shot himself supposedly twice in the back of the head. Yeah, that's how people commit suicide. He revealed that the crack epidemic in LA was because of the government, the CIA, selling that crack to them. So yeah, all of this, As my guests just pointed out, when you're looking at that crisis, look to the government who engineered it, because they want to engineer the solution. There's a company called despair dot Com. 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If they were at Epstein, island and they were engaging in the most egregious behavior against kids. There should be justice. You think about the words of Jesus himself when some of the apostles are trying to keep the children away from him, like he's too busy, he doesn't have time for them. Our Lord said, no, you know, let them come to me. Jesus cared deeply about children, and it just it grates on me to see the true Injustices Number one. Too many politicians just sitting back, not doing anything, and then at the same time using children as a human shield to implement their agenda of trying to usher in the surveillance state. It's coming rapidly. There's signs of it all over the place. I generally use the term surveillance infrastructure, but what is the surveillance infrastructure. It's the hardware of the surveillance state, and I talk about that frequently, But it just grates on me when they use children as the excuse. Well, we need this to protect the kids. You don't care about kids. If you did, you wouldn't have let all these other things happen. Now you're you're absolutely right, and it just it frustrates me how few people actually understand their rights and push back even a little bit in the system. And let me even then example of that. You and I both fly a lot, and when we get to the TSA where they're asking us for a real ID, which I don't have, I use my passport personally. That's one way. Yeah, that's one way of pushing back just just a little bit. But they want you to step in front of a camera. You don't have to do that. You can decline that. But the amount of people who don't even ask why they're getting their photo taken is absolutely ridiculous. They claim that all the images are destroyed within twenty four hours. But here's something I'm a professor. I teach graduate level data analytics, and one of the things that I cover in my Introduction to Data analytics is data ethics. One of the very first points that I really emphasize to my grad students. Once data is surrendered, you lose all control over it. Whatever happens with it. From that point forward, you are at the mercy of whoever you gave the data to. They may, I stress the word may abide by the terms of service under which you gave it to them. But if you give your data, and it doesn't matter if we're talking browsing history, location history, call dogs, financial records, whatever data you're talking about. If I give that to a company, best case scenario, they only use it for what's in the agreement, which is probably one hundred times more than I realize. But what else can happen? Well, what happens when that company gets bought by another company? All of my terms and conditions are out the window. I am now being bound by the agreement of the bigger company. What happens when a government agency goes to them and says we want a copy of that. The vast majority of them here you go. You know, a few will push back and say not without a warrant. But that's that's the exception, not the rule. What happens when that company suffers a data breach? And data breaches happen every single day, and so once you give up data, it's totally outside of your control. And I'll go back to one example. This is this is an odd example, but it is so illustrative of what can happen. World War two, FDR issues and executive order. Americans of Japanese descent are going to be forcibly rounded up and relocated, kicked out of their homes. They're going to be relocated because they are a danger to the United States. We don't know where their loyalties lie. A lot of people are familiar with the fact that this happened to Americans of Japanese ancestry, in part because of the movie Karate Kid. But it didn't stop at Americans of Japanese ancestry. A smaller number of Americans of German ancestry were rounded up and forcibly relocated, and an even smaller number of Americans of Italian ancestry. We're talking about innocent Americans whose only crime was having ancestors from a country that we are now at war with. How did the military know where to go find all these people? They rounded them up very very quickly. And there were accusations back in the nineteen forties that the US Census Bureau helped the military round people up. For seventy years, the Census Bureau denied that we had nothing to do with that. This is sacred when you give money, when you give data to the Census Bureau, we never divulge it for anything other than the data that we publish. We don't share it with any other government agency. They maintained that for seventy years. It was in the early twenty teens some researchers going through the National Archives found the smoking gun. Here's the documentation. You gave this to the Department of War back during World War two. Ohly, yeah, we forgot about that kind of like Howard Latnik, I forgot about that trip to the island. The Census Bureau forgot about that data that they gave to the Department of War to round up American citizens, innocent American citizens. And I just use that as an example to my grad students. Once you give up data, it doesn't matter why you gave it up. Once you give it up, you are at the mercy of whoever you gave that data to. You are trusting then that they're not going to share it or allow it to be stolen. Again. In agreement. And you know to the audience how many Japanese spies they actually caught by rounding up all of our citizens. That's a big fat zero, ladies and gentlemen, not a single one. So we rounded up all these citizens that are Americans and place them in in tournament camps for nothing. And I'm so glad that you brought up World War Two because I was going to actually address two elements of government propaganda and excuses. And I'm sure you and I both hear quite a bit. The first one, you know, is one that you hear in every single airport in America. If you see something, say something, they're constantly putting that over the loudspeaker. It's like they're encouraging. You know this Karen system, you know, the nosy neighbor peering out through the shades, like what's going on over there? Americans used to mind their own business. And then the other one. And then I'll turn it back over to you. And I love it when people say this, Well, I got nothing to hide, so I got nothing to fear. What say you? I never thought that I would be quoting John Stewart. He was not one of my favorite people, but on occasion he makes some really good points. He was talking about government and government corruption, and his expression was if you smell something, say something, and I thought I got to give him credit. That's a good one. The line, and I have heard this so many times. If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care who's watching? You. I have my own thoughts on that number one. It's the exact wrong question. It's not a matter of what am I trying to hide, It's a matter of consent. What do I choose to disclose. I want you to think about two people. Maybe they're introduced to each other by friends, maybe they meet online, but you know, a twenty three year old woman and a twenty four year old man, they're gonna they're going to go need at a coffee shop. And if the guy comes in and he knows her first, middle last name, what her dog's name is, where she lives now, where she lived the last three times that she moved, names of her parents, her job, what she watched on TV last night, what is her What is her reaction going to be to this guy? So stalker, you're a creep, get away from me. I never want to see you again. Okay, that's kind of what her insurance companies are. They know everything about you. But the whole point is there is mutual disclosure. If I'm meeting somebody by new and I'm married, so I'm not in the dating scene. But if you're meeting someone I share a little bit about me, you share a little bit about you, I share a little bit more as we get comfortable with each other. Over time we build trust, we share more and more. When the government steps in and says, I just told your records I know everything about you. That's a violation. But here's the best answer of all about if you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care? And I heard this from a gentleman when I was doing one of my brush Fire of Freedom tour events out West last year. He just simply said, what makes you think you have the right to decide if you're doing anything wrong? You don't. Whether you're doing something wrong or not, that's up to the government to decide. Now, as a Christian, I have a higher standard than the government. I have a book that hasn't changed in two thousand years, and that book says this is what's right, this is what's wrong, and I'm okay with that. I do my best to follow that and not saying I'm perfect, but I do my best to follow that book. But those laws aren't changing every time somebody new gets elected. One of the things that we were talking data centers earlier, what is is the interest of the state. Because Florida introduced House Bill nine forty five. Representative Danny Alvarez in Florida introduced House Bill nine forty five in Florida this year, and it basically criminalized having the wrong opinions. He defined a term called an adversary intelligence entity, which includes any individual whose demonstrated actions, views, or opinions are deemed a threat to the interest of the state. Let that sink in for a second. Forget the First Amendment. We're not even talking about you going out and sharing these views. If you hold this view or this opinion that is against the interest of the state, you are an adversary intelligence entity and their counter terrorism unit is authorized to deal with you. Okay, huge, huge constitutional problems with that. But here's my other question. What are the interests of the state If we're going to criminalize holding opinions that are counter to the interest of the state. Somebody please give me a list. I want to get my mind right. Well, no, I don't, but you know what I mean. Up until about two years ago, I could have sworn the interest of the state included reducing our CO two emissions, because for twenty years I've been hearing about how we're all going to die on twenty in January twenty thirty, the world's going to end. In fact, I have an audio recording of a current member of Congress saying the world's going to end in twenty thirty because of global warming. Up until about two years ago, reducing our carbon footprint was an existential priority because if we don't reduce our carbon footprint, we're all going to die in twenty thirty. That's a point of no return. And all of a sudden, we need more data centers. That means we need an extra two hundred gigawatts of power generation in the United States. Oh okay, make it happen. How soon can we get another two hundred giga lots of power? Well, I thought we had to conserve electricity. Oh not anymore. So global warming is not a threat any longer. Apparently not. And in fact, Bill Gates himself, the king of global warming global warming. Bill Gates about a year year and a half ago, came out and made a statement about, well, temperatures are going to be increasing, but not as much as we originally thought, and it may get a little bit uncomfortable, but we'll deal with it. It's not a problem. Gee, great timing that you decided global warming isn't a problem after twenty years of hearing how it's going to kill everyone. Great that you decided global warming is not an issue, right about the same time that Microsoft decided they needed a four or five GIGLEW data center. Of course, because they are hypocrites. And yeah, I got to tell you, I love that you brought your faith into this because I want to just do a little compare and contrast here the government who is spying on us and let's just say governments. Let's just make this world wide, because governments have been spying on their people really since they started existing. So governments, when they spy on people, what do they do? They arrest you, They imprison you, some cases kill you. God who can also see everything that we're doing and everything that we're thinking. Government's not there yet, but God's response to watching everything that we're doing is to send his son to die for our sins. What would you rather live under? No brainer? Yeah, it's a pretty simple question. Right. We have a God that sent his son to die for our sins. We have a government who watches our sins and puts us in prison over it, sir, It has been an absolute pleasure having on the show. We're running out of time here, but I've just thoroughly enjoyed this. I want to number one and push everybody to your website, Business Reform dot org. Chris is going to show that for the audience. I'll have you pitch that and why people should be following you. But I also want to remind everybody again August first, here in Spokane, Washington, fifteen oh four West Grace, that's Family of Faith Church. There's going to be a great event with our guest and doctor John here. He's going to be a speaking from ten thirty to noon. Doors open at ten o'clock. But go there, ladies and gentlemen. This is going to be a phenomenal event. John. Please tell everybody why not only should they go to your website, but also come to Spokane and watch this great event. Well, on my website, I have links to everything my YouTube channel. I would encourage you to subscribe to my channel on YouTube absolutely free. But I post videos at least one a week, sometimes two a week. They are well research, they're not clickbait. I'm not the type of person that's going to make hyperbolic claims just to get people to click there the very sound, very logical, very well researched. I'm a professor, and I bring that to my YouTube channel. The event that's coming up on August first, I'm going to speak for about an hour, and then the last thirty minutes is all Q and A. Because I love interacting with people, I believe this is probably going to be one of the biggest events that I've done in my entire tour. As I see my website scrolling by, if you could scroll back down just a bit, there's a list of places they have already spoken. And I've done a lot of public speaking over the years, Nashville, Tennessee, Chattanooga. I was a speaker at the Libertarian National Convention back in May of this year, so I've done a lot of public speaking. I love getting out and meeting people, talking about these types of issues, sharing ideas. I'm going to be talking about a few things people can do to boost their privacy, such as using a graphene phone rather than you know, sticking with a traditional phone. Every now and then people will get after me because I use an iPhone, and I tell them that's one of five phones that I use. I have a graphine phone, I have a couple of others, but anyway, I will be talking about some practical privacy tips beyond using a particular phone, beyond the Faraday bags or some other things that we get into as well. But I'll be sharing some practical privacy tips and doing a lot of Q and A with the audience. Well fantastic. I once again encouraged the audience to go to this event, go to the website as well, start following my guest because this is I think one of the most important issues that we're dealing with right now, and if we really do want to make America great again, part of that, I think a big part of that is going back to having some privacy, both digitally and just in person. Doctor John, it's been awesome having you on the show. I'm going to have to have you back. It's been a real fun interview. But thank you for already come back anytime. Absolutely. Yeah, that's fantastic to hear. All right, I'm gonna go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post production and say oah, goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you for all your work and for a great episode. Oh you're very welcome. Thank you for having me. Absolutely all right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go a great event here locally in Spokane, doctor John. If you go to the website, you're gonna be able to see that, Hey, he's coming to probably a city near you, So he's going on a whirlwind tour. So regardless of where you're at, find a location where you can hear this. It's such an important issue. And this guest, he certainly knows. He's an expert, he's a professor. Go check him out. Church and State is brought to you in part by colonialized Spokane independent agents, Finders Insurance and Mark three to seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Callier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to the fire. This is Caleb Callier with Church and State dot Media. This is and gentlemen, if you're not sleeping on mind pillow, you even patriots. 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