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With that, let's go ahead and bring on our guest excited for this conversation with Joshua Philip. He's an award winning journalist and senior investigative reporter at the Epoch Times. He's a host of Crossroads, a news and analysis program on Epoch TV, and his works to include Breakthrough investigations into the origins of COVID nineteen Joshua, it is awesome to have you on Church and State. Yeah, it's a real pleasure being there. Thank you very much. So communist spies becoming politicians in California, Why am I not surprised? You shouldn't be a surprised. Actually, we were talking a bit before. He said, you're originally from the Bay Area. That place is crawling with him. You actually used to have a woman named Rose Pack. She was called the king Maker of California. You could not get into politics, but the blessings of Rose Packed out of the Bay Area. She was a known Chinese spy, and so you had the person picking and choosing who gets into power, effectively working for the CCP. I'm definitely not surprised by this at all. I actually used to work for the John Birch Society, and we discussed for a very long time Communist infiltration into the United States into not just government, but education, into media. I mean, it has been happening for a very long time, and now we just so happen to have clear cut evidence of it. Yeah, well that's how it is. He had John Birch. You guys did awtome work over there, really kind of at the front lines of a lot of this. I think they're warning about communism when most of the conservative movement thought communism. Was kind of dead. So, you know, they've been frontline with all this stuff. But yeah, so the main thrust of the CCP's like subversion activities goes through an organization called the United Front. A lot of communist countries have United fronts. The Soviet Union had one. Funny enough, actually Antifa came out of the I believe the Second International, you know, common tern the United Front program head in Germany. North Korea has a United Front. For example, the Chinese Communist Party is a very active front. It's actually a branch of their government called the United Front Work Department. And the goal of this is to effectively compromise the leaders of a society, so journalists, you know, ideological leaders, Hollywood investors, government officials, and business leaders. And the thinking is, if you can capture enough of those people, they call it capturing the civil society. They believe you can basically create the effect of winning a war, like as if you had conquered the country without even having a fight, because you control the politics. You control the policy obviously, you control the information, you control the entertainment, and you control the investing. I mean, this is basically what the fascists it did with Grahamshey, where you're going for the institutions, which is exactly what you just described, and they've been wildly successful. Most conservatives have just kind of turned a blind item. You know. Maybe they have their talking points and the rallying points of yeah, we don't like communism, but when it's right in front of their eyes operating, they're really just not paying attention, not getting in the fight. Yeah. Well, yeah, you mentioned Grahamsey and you know, the Fabian Society the same thing. It's like the wolf in Sheep's Club, which was which was our logo for a while. You know, I think this is maybe a misunderstanding a lot of people have when it comes to communism, because we make the mistakes sometimes not us, but some people make the mistakes sometimes of understanding communism is just like an economic theory, when it's not like communism can exist through the infiltration of anything. It can exist through you know, unions, like syndicalism. It can exist through any kind of bureaucracy or like tyranny, the international model right now, that's right, they call the multipolar world order, and you know, shared Global Governance basically plans. To use NGOs and you know, quote unquote. Community leaders and give them seats of this table of government and have them work is like, you know, the kind of the communist insider steering policy. So you know, the idea with this type of movement is Yeah, just like Graham, she talked about, if you can seize the organizations that effectively operate the society, you control the society. And it's as simple, and they've been doing it aggressively, like the CCP does it extremely aggressively. Jamestown Foundation just did a big report and they found there's over one thousand Chinese Communist Party organizations doing this in the United States alone. Again, I'm not surprised whatsoever. I'm so glad you brought up the NGOs because these elitists, these globalists, whatever you want to call them, a World Economic Forum builderberg Group, they all point to China as the model. This is what they want for literally every single person that lives in the world. Yeah, well, and it's crazy actually, you know, in the United States, we don't see it. Maybe we have lately, but we don't see it as much, or at least until maybe the Biden years, we did not see it. But there's an agenda to basically create a mixed model governance program. A mixed model meaning I'll give you examples. There's community policing, community schools, community this and that. And what they mean is there's the school system and then you have a handful of NGOs and you know, big businesses effectively having a shared role within it. When I was doing some investigations into the border crisis, I went down to Panama and one thing I found out is outside the United States, all these programs are way further along. So in Panama, for example, I talked to the head of Centifront, Centifront's count of their military slash police force, and they're terrified. They they say, their country's sovereignty is being overthrown by NGOs. NGOs have almost as much power as government in these countries, Latin America, Africa, even even parts of Europe. Now, you know, the United Nations has a lot of power. We don't think of it like that in the United States, but they do outside of the US. And and what these what these organizations are doing. You know, I think Trump called them out for it, and I think we've cut off a lot of fund into them. But you know, they get the money for. Their main program, they use that money to fund their operations, and then they don't really do just what they were paid for to do. Everything. They go into these countries and they effectively provide the services the government should be and you know, because they're the ones controlling the you know, the outreach and health programs or facilitating migration or whatever else, they start to actually kind of unseek the government itself. You know. Again in Panama, this was a huge deal, especially when I was investigating the border crisis and I found the NGOs are working with the UN to run the whole show down there. Sure, you know, it's almost like it's really it's like the mafia, you know. And they looked at the mafia and they were like, this is a good plan, but the mafia has too many rules, right, they won't go after family, they won't go after kids. We'll do all of that, so we're going to be more effective. But the similarities are quite striking. Yeah, you know, it's actually interesting talking to for example, like dissidents from China, people have escaped. They all explain the Chinese communist parties were looking like a mafia, and from what I gather, was the same thing in the Soviet Union. You know, people talked about the government as effectively being a mafia. You know this, and I think this is also a misunderstanding in terms of you know, we talked about the United Front and the kind of the corrupt business operations ties in with this too. When people look at China they say, oh, yeah, Sun Sou, you know, classic Sun Sou. It's really it's not really Sun Sou. It's more like machiavellianism. And Machiavelli did talk about the use of basically mafia tactics in order to control the country. And based on my own research. That's kind of that's kind of the mechanism at play behind the scenes, you know, my research in Latin America, for example, this is how it works effectively, if you can create networks of corruption, and if you don't pay to play, if you don't get blood on your hands, you don't get in that. The CCP works like this too. If you want to raise the through the ranks of power, you have to engage in what they call political correctness, and that term comes from nineteen sixty seven Maus do On. It basically means if you engage or follow the regime and what it does, you're politically correct. If you don't, you're not politically correctly to be persecuted. And so you have to demonstrate loyalty. That means getting engaged in, you know, killing your neighbor, killing the uh, you know, the local landlord for example, or stealing money from the wealthy cool lock, or beating you know, the teacher with your belt buckle. You know, it's that kind of stuff that makes you rise through the ranks and under a communist system, if you can create a system to the extent where a country is controlled by corruption, like think of the cartels in Latin America, think of the corruption for seeing entered. Whoever controls the corruption controls the government. And that's how you can actually weaponize a mafia state, you know, kind of subverting it from within to take it over. And I think, like you mentioned too, just briefly, this is how communism works. It's the lump in proletariat, it's the scum. Mausodon called them the scum of the society, you know, in terms of a positive thing you wanted to use them. Lump and proletariat is Vladimir Lenin. It's the criminal underclass who they used to basically carry out their operations. Sure, and we see that you already brought up Antifa. That is that criminal element operating. They're the useful idiots. I mean, the elitists at the top they don't care about Antifa whatsoever, but they can certainly use them for chaos and corruption. And meanwhile, the people, you know, they beg for a solution. And that's kind of that Cloud Piven crisis solution kind of mentality, right of, Hey, let's create that chaos that problem. Don't worry, government's there to rush in and save the day. Yeah, I think we're pretty long. We're pretty far along on that too. When Cloud and Piven wrote that story proposing that stretch, I think it was like nineteen sixty six, right. It's actually interesting because what they talked about was creating effectively a welfare state and then putting enough weight on the welfare state to work. If effectively the system wouldn't be able. To support it fail and you would have buy necessity a kind of single payer or that single payer, you'd have kind of buy necessity, a universal basic income, you know, communism in other words, everybody just has everyone's on welfare basically. I think we're actually pretty far along on that right now. And it's interesting when we have these conversations on it, because you know, back then they were talking. About the normal welfare state. They weren't talking about, what are we at two hundred and fifty billion dollars in fraud on just like Medicaid and Social Security? Now. I know, a couple of years ago the Government Accountability Office as fraud even outside of Social Security and even outside of you know what we're seeing now with like Medicaid, they were estimating it could be upwards of five hundred billion dollars. Like Cloward and Pitten couldn't have dreamed of this. It's so far along. Yeah, I agree some of these early communists and tacticians, they'd be happily surprised, I would say, about the current condition of the United State. But then some of our heroes, even within the conservative movement or the right, some of our heroes are pushing the same thing. You got Elon Musk going on every show that he possibly can talking about universal high income, that the robots and artificial intelligence are going to make it to where we're free to just be creative. No one's ever asking, you know, that final solution type of question, like what do you do with the useless eaters? Eventually that universal high income. I'm not really planning on that, how about you? Yeah, I'm not into it at all. And you know what I find really concerning about that kind of talk, too, is if you really read Karl Marx and his vision of what communism would look like. You know, it's interesting actually because if you read DOSK Copy Tile, you know, the first half of DOSK copyitl is and criticizing all the industries and everything like that. The second half is in actually kind of praising them. And what he talks about effectively is his futuristic society. You know, like we're really the machines run the society. Everybody's unwell fair, and that's you know, nobody has to work in. We're all artists. I think what. AI is promising is kind of terrifying because we don't even get the everybody as artist thing anymore. It's like, you know, even the machines have taken over the creativity. I find it terrifying. Based on Marx's description of his vision of like futuristic communism, it's actually closer to that movie Logan's Run. Right, It's like an old time movie that I know, but Logan's Run kind of represents it. And when I think of people talking about you know, everybody is on welfare and everybody gets their paycheck from the local AI data center, like I think Logan's. Run, I would completely agree. I mean, initially I see more of a wallly where the people are just fat and obese and just entertained, or maybe an idiocracy, which wasn't supposed to be. A documentary stage already. Yeah, we're kind of into that. But eventually, you're right Logan's Run, because eventually they're going to come to the conclusion, I mean, much like with Canada with their MAID services, like we're going to do something about these people, let's just kill them off. Yeah, and that's the scary thing. Actually, you know, we're actually watched in Canada's great example, we're watching the kind of slippery slope for example, of how the government can kill you in Canada. So, you know, with their MAID program medically assisted aid and dying. It is a funny way. But your maid, right, we saw it start off with it's just the terminally ill, they're going to die anyways. Why would you want to make people suffer? You know, let them die with dignity. I'll die on my own terms. And then they expand it to like depression, so you can be depressed and they can call and made for you. And then they expand it to children, like teenagers they're talking about now. And then they expand it to you know, you're a veteran, and there was a case a veteran wanted to have a ramp like a wheelchair remp put in front of their house, like, well, the government can't afford this. Have you considered the made prograuch? When you start defining what is demicide? In my opinion, you know, medically assisted suicide is now one of leading leading causes of death, and candidates it's it's, in my opinion, a demicide. The government's killing its own people. When you when you start defining that not is something horrifying and you devalue human life to that extent where you view the government killing you is a medical, medical procedure, and you educate children on it, which they like, they have like coloring books, you know, to help kids dealing with this and soff like that. But regardless, it starts to change the way you view human life, I think, and and also the way you view death itself, like, oh, you you know, you cost too much money for the medical system. Just kill yourself or have the government kill you. Oh you know, it costs too much money to take care of you. This is too complicated of a situation. Oh sorry, there's no more properties left because environmental policy prevents us from building more houses, and all the migrants we've let in bought all the remaining houses. So you're almost the big, big problem in the main cities in Canada, by the way, you know, and you get depressed and you're like, well, I can't live. What's the option you know made calling the maid service. I think it's a terrifying trajectory they're on, and they keep expanding it. It keeps getting. Worderse it does. Absolutely I agree with everything that you just said there, and it's wild to consider. I used to be an EMT and so I've been to a number of cases where or calls where people are threatening suicide and we helped them. We went in there. Sometimes the police were called to make the scene secure, to make sure they weren't going to harm themselves or anyone else. But ultimately we brought them to the hospital to care for them. And now we're just at a point like it's still illegal to threaten suicide, to commit suicide, but if the government has its hands in it, then yeah, that's acceptable, that's okay. Yeah. Well, the scary direct is what you see happening on the global scale. So you know, I do a lot. I've done a lot of reporting on China. The Chinese Communist Party uses prisoners of conscience, including religious believers, is living sources for organ transplants. And if you think they've created a for profit industry based on killing the you know, the government's undesirable. So oh you believe in religion, Oh you believe in democracy or whatever it is. You know, they mainly mainly they've been killing fallen Gong practitioners and wigers, ethnic wigers, like just like part of the shing Jiung or East Turkistan. There are some concerns on them. They may be even expanding it too, Christians in China. It's it's one of the big red flags going up right now. But the problem is because the CCP is part of all the international boards on organ transplants and you know, cutting edge procedures and practices. Because they're killing people all the time for their organs, you're seeing that type of view that that human life not only lose his value, but has a financial value to it, where you know, if you're not wanted, not only can they kill you to like relieve pressure, like you know this, this guy wanted a wheelchair ramp from his house in Canada, to the point where you're more valuable dead than alive if you're deemed kind of an undesirable of society. And I think this is kind of the natural trajectory of these kind of communistic practices that I think strip the soul away from humankind, really really just strip away what it is. To be a human being. I would agree with that, and it's happening in our own country as well. You look at like Planned Parenthood for example, they've been caught multiple times trafficking in human organs, human body parts from these aborted fetuses, and they've done you almost have to tip their hat, your hat to them. They've done a magnificent job at desensitizing Americans through media, through Hollywood. For example, I'm gonna throw two examples at you. Horror movies, which I'm not a fan of at all. But in horror movies, it used to be the if you were a child in the movie, you were pretty much safe. You were guaranteed that Jason or Freddy Krueger wasn't going to kill you. Right. You progress now to the modern age, it's a wholesale slaughter. They're killing everyone, they don't care. You look at superhero movies, for example, we used to have Superman, who was for truth, justice the American way, and now we have The Boys, which is showing that superheroes are just evil, wicked. Maybe more accurate because of the fallen nature of humankind, but still it's a desensitation process that they've slowly brought about to Americans and we don't even notice it. Yeah, and I do find that really concerning too, Right. It's basically, I think what we venerate as a society is actually very important, and we do venerate heroes. Kids at the very least, I think will look up like different figures. I know in China, for example, we talked about the boys. I know the main I can watch the show, but I know the main character is kind of like venerated there. People look up to the guy and it's just this disgusting individual, no value for human life and just you know, z that for his own his own personal gain. I think, you know, this is one of the ironies of communist systems, as it always talks about, you know, for the goodness of humankind and the goodness of humanity. But it actually does the opposite. Like I think, I think the irony of communistic systems is it teaches you know, sharing and redistribution. It creates very selfish, very like scheming, very greedy people, actually it. And I wonder sometimes why that is. It's almost like when you when you force something onto someone, the internal restraints become external, and it's almost like people themselves they stop policing themselves in some way. It's it's almost like they kind of optre or you know, kind of jimmy out their own moral values to some kind of external moral state. And you see this in all these societies, like the moral decline that follows these types of detalitarian practices. Yeah, I would agree, it really doesn't matter the ism, communism, Nazism, fascism, socialism. You know, they're all Satanic in origin. Uh. This is why you know, Karl Marx writes about uh satan uh in his book in the Communist Manifesto. But yeah, these ideas, and I would even throw in democracy because democracy is is a very dangerous political system where the majority rules over the minority. And this is why our founding fathers made sure that we were a republic instead of a democracy. But even through that, they very insidiously transformed America's mindset into believing we're a democracy. I believe that was very intentional. It was, and the Founding fathers warned about democracy. Actually, you know, I actually this is this is long kind of forgotten history. George Washington in his own letters talked about the Democratic societies is one of the greatest threats to the United States. He you know, when he led the WISK, when he let the put down of the Risk rebellion, he believed the Democratic societies which was a which was he viewed as an as an anti constitutional, anti republic movement because what they were doing is they were trying to install you know, Greek democracy like you know Athenian type democracy in the United States, it's very hard to keep a republic actually, and we're at a state in society and now people a lot of people don't even know the difference. Actually, you know, the basic one you could say is a republic is representative democracy, where we elect people to represent us in the democratic process, versus direct democracy, where, of course, you know, on an individual level kind of whoever shows up gets to vote. And what happens very quickly is you have organizations, societies, people coming together and subverting that process, and very quickly you see democracy very rapidly descend into tyranny because the people who want to seize. Power all they needed to do, all they needed to do. Is coordinate amongst themselves to have people go and say, hey, we're going to vote to you know, give me ultimate power today and you know, make sure you show up to vote, and everybody else sleeping in their beds doesn't realize the whole system just changed. Yeah, the founding Father's warned about the very quick destruction of democracy. And so once again kind of going back to that crisis solution, you look at history and the examples of republics that have existed. There's a pretty pretty common thread there, republic to democracy to chaos to some type of tutalitarianism. Yeah. Well that's an interesting state too, because I've been I've been reflecting on this quite a bit lately, because we can look at we can look at sociding now and what you have I think, on the right and on the left actually is a desire for a more authoritarian state in a weird way. And you know, I mean I can understand. You know, we see chaos on the streets, we see these new technologies that allow for mass surveillance and tracking and everything else. You're like, well, you know, if they just tapped into that, be able to get rid of the criminals. What I what I find very interesting is if you go back and read the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, written just before the founding of the United States that I believe, right, seventeen hundreds right, it actually talks about the way that Romans transitioned from the desire for the republic to the desire for tyranny. And it's said in there that they grew weary of the chaos of freedom. That interesting, they grew weary of the chaos of freedom and then having reflecting on your Invesmanov, you know, Soviet defector, propagandist. You know, he talked to me. He's gone viral on the internet, right, but he talked about the four stages a subversion. Basically, the first one is, you know, demoralization, you kind of kind of lose hope, right, you come to moralized, and then destabilization the system stops functioning. Then chaos, you know, everything's out of whack, everything's working, everything's corrupt. And when it's in a state of chaos, and then conflict, people demand tyranny as a remedy. To the chaos in front of them. And it's an interesting way if you link the way that a free country can fall into tyranny historically versus the way the Soviets, according to Besmanov, we're planning to do it. It's very interesting. All you need to do is create enough problems and make people desire tyranny. And this is why I'm a libertarian. Let me ask you this. Then we're about to celebrate two hundred and fifty years, which is no small feet. It's pretty impressive as a country to last that long as a constitutional republic. We've kind of shied away from that as of late, what do you see for the future? And I know we're coming up on that heartbreak, so we'll probably have to come back and answer this because it's probably a long discussion. But what do you see for the future of America? Are we going to continue to progress towards that strongman tyrannical approach? Are we going to go back to celebrating the Constitution? And really what made America great? Based on my studies of empires, right, I think you have society is going one of two directions after a certain amount of time, and a lot of people say, you know, we're at the two fifty mark. That's usually when an empire starts to fall or change. I think that you have one of two things take place. One is it does decline, and one is it transforms into a different system and it changes. I do think America post Trump is going to be a different country. I really do. The question is what does it become. The good side of it would be kind of a revitalization, and I personally believe you can only do that because I thought about it, like, how do you actually fix society? A lot of problems are internal, right, I think I think there needs to be kind of a moral reawakening in order to reverse. The track of social decline. And I don't know how you do that, but I can say that America has done it before. You know, we've had great awakenings many times, and it's kind of an interesting way of looking at the trajectory of history. You know, Europe during the Enlightenment, they were moving towards the age of reason and factories, and you know that gave rise, of course to modern communism and socialism, whereas America had the Great awakenings. You know, let me pause you right there, Joshua. I hate to do this to you, but we hit that heartbreak here. But it's a great way to pause. So we're going to continue on, Ladies and gentlemen. Joshua has agreed to do fifty more minutes. 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And this is troubling to me because of what I'm seeing within the Christian movement right now. There are a number of i would say heresies that have entered into the American church, things like Prosperity Gospel, the New Apostolic Reformation, where we're seeing more of a man centric theology that has entered in and we are not holding people's feet to the fire. We're engaging in cover up culture. If our favorite pastor maybe did something that he shouldn't have done, well, that's okay, We're going to cover that up. Are we seeing because the question is this with how how studious the elites are? Are we seeing that they already saw that a great revival could could steer this back in the right direction. And have they compromised the Christian movement in America so that it doesn't occur. Well, we can say a couple things. Even during the even during the Cold War, the Soviet Union had infiltrated into a large spread taken over the. World Council of Churches. Right now, I know for a fact that Chinese Communist Party has infiltrated a lot of the seminaries training the pastors. And if you understand that, this is kind of the way these Communists have worked, because you know, but what really took down the Soviet Union from within, a lot of it was from religious people. I would actually say that the greatest enemy of a communist tyranny is in fact people who believe in God, which is why they persecute him. Right. I think the Soviet Union was. Really torn down internally by people, you know, who return to their faith, you know. Sol Johannitsen talked about the post communism when he said he asked older people like, how did this happen? How did this happen? He said that back then they'd always say, you know, we forgot God. And he says later on in life, now looking back, he says, how does it happen? How does it happen? He says, I can think of no more accurate statement that we forgot God and you can reverse that and say maybe the solution is, yeah, you need to have a revival if you're going to pull out of that. I would completely agree with that. And yes, obviously that the Chinese, the Communists have infiltrated the seminaries. This is an area that they specifically looked at, and you can see examples of that churches that have gone woke. You know, there's a lot of the mainline Protestant churches unfortunately with very rich history, they've gone to the woke side. True believers can identify that immediately and say I want no part of this. I think the more insidious one is what I see in the I guess the American Rite Church, whether that more of that new Apostolic Reformation, the more man centric taking over the Seven Mountains, that Christians have to control everything and then Jesus can return. Some even say Jesus can't return until they take over these seven mountains. I see that as the more insidious attack against Christianity. Yeah, I mean, I have. My own my own viewpoints on religion, and I think, you know, my own personal view would be this. I think in the time following the downfall, you know, following the end of the Roman persecution of Christians. You know, you have the time of the Desert Father and Fathers. In the early Coptics and stuff like that, religion was practiced very differently. The religion has changed quite a bit. You know, your prayer was your communion with God, maintained through adhering to the moral standards preached by God. And you know when you send the you would feel a separation from God. They believe that the regret was you know, you're feeling a separation, and so you ask for forgiveness and make an effort to return to that communion. I think that when people don't want to change themselves or undergo that process of moral improvement or you know, trying to align with these teachers. You know, you know, nobody's. Perfect right, but religious practice, in my opinion, is the is the effort to align with those principles and easier said than done. But that's why forgiveness does exist. I think that when people stop wanting to go through that, what they want instead is acknowledgment of their shortcomings. They don't want to change, And what you find eventually is people say, well, g is people that want to practice religion because you know, they don't like having to change themselves. Let's alter religion, and then that's a very dangerous slippery slope. I think that is one way that you can watch, you know, the moral fabric of the society fall apart with or without communism. I think what you just said it was absolutely beautiful, and what I'm hearing, what I'm inferring, is more of a return to traditional Christianity, going back to what the early church fathers were teaching and being just understanding that yes, we were all sinners, but we shouldn't revel in that, we shouldn't seek acceptance in that, that we should have that. Oh man, I send Lord and forgive me. That's the beauty of Christianity. And I really appreciate you talking about that. We didn't even really go in. I think we initially started on the communist mayor, communist Chinese by mayor, and then we just started going off on a lot of different topics. Great episode, but I guess as we're starting to close down, let's go back to this and talk about the importance of this agent in there and maybe some of the policies that she was enacting as a mayor that we're benefiting the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah. What what she's accused of is she was running propaganda operations for the Chinese Communist Party. In particular, she was denying some of the human rights abuses of the CCP in the you know. Documents that came out. She was writing to her handlers in China telling them how much traffic she was getting posting propaganda like this, and you know, and effectively carrying out information operations. And people might say, well, who cares information? Information? In a free society, information is what drives everything. It's why communism one of the first things they do is they try to you know, they kill the journalists, and they try to take over, you know, they censor everybody. It's because information is what drives a society. It's what you buy, it's who you vote for, it's what you support, what you dislike, it's your values. If you can for all information, you control the society. And and that's the kind of stuff a lot of these spies in Mancott trying to manipulate. Yeah, most certainly. And when we when I'm looking at California, you know, I mean, obviously everybody's going to be familiar with Swalwell and his relationship with the communist Chinese spy. Uh? Is this just something that Democrats as a whole no longer care about. I mean, Swalwell was was ready to run for Congress, and it wasn't until he got submarined by by accusations of sexual misconduct that his his his campaign sunk. But other than that, nobody seemed to care that he had been in bed with a with a Chinese spy. Is that is that just the the Democrat party now we don't care. I've wondered about that. I can say in Congress, I mean for the good for a good thing. Republicans and Democrats tend to be pretty aligned on disliking the CCP for the most part. But you do see you know, unfly Democratic Socialist of America and kind of the Democrat grass roots tied in with groups like Code Pink and Liberation, you know, the Party of Liberation and Socialism and these kinds of groups. You know, the Rainbow Coalition is another huge when nobody's even talking about that, you do have kind of this very communist underbelue that I don't think they care about that. And if if the preaching of you know, unfortunately that side of the politics is moral relativism and who cares? And you know, do as thou wilt. And the only evil that exists is if you try to tell me what you know, tell me. That I'm wrong for doing whatever the heck I want. Like, yeah, of course they're not going to care about things like that, and I find that really concerning. I would absolutely agree with you. Let me ask you about comedy. Yeah, I've been watching comedy. I like to laugh. A lot of it doesn't make me laugh, especially stuff coming out of Hollywood. But I was watching stand up comedians, and during the Biden era, everything was politically correct and you couldn't laugh at anything anymore. And during especially the Trump campaign, you know, leading up to twenty twenty four election, you saw comedians that were just done with it, like they are going to go after everybody. They're gonna make laughs. Dave Chappelle obviously, who's is by his own admission, very left leaning, he just did not care. He's going to go after people. Was that kind of the bell weather that we were seeing a pendulum swing? Are we supposed to keep our eyes on comedians? I'm a big believer that comedy is one of the ways that we actually deal with. That we deal with controversial issues. I actually, I think, you know, I talked about Dave Chappelle, like, what was it, late nineties. I really felt, I really felt racism was basically dead in the country, and it was mostly dead because we could laugh about stuff together. Like the Dave Chappelle should be there. It was funny, it was. I have a friend actually who did clowning school, and she told me something things about comedy that really I thought, it's very profound. Actually, comedy is an exaggeration. It's actually you take social norms and you exaggerate them, and the exaggeration is how you kind of make fun of them when you're not allowed to take the really, when you're not allowed to make comedy on reality and. You have to do it on these false realities. Or when comedy is like you know, people are actually mad about it or you know, hateful about it, Like it's not comedy at that point. It's just it's venting. It's political speech. It's just people just venting their own hatred. Like that's not funny. And so you need to be able to tease the forbidden is a good comedian and I think political correctness did stop that from happening, and I do think it's important people now are going back to it and yeah we can. Laugh about it again. And you know, Dave Schappelle coming back out doing some really funny shows on that, you know, good example. I maybe is a sign that people are becoming a little less less sensitive again. Yeah, we're seeing a rise in you know, more conservative comedy and even shows that traditionally had never gone that direction, you're starting to see it just being sorted just a little bit, a little little teaser, a little touch it shows like SNL where it's all of a sudden like wow, I did not expect that out of Saturday Alive. I've always expected, you know, liberal talking points. And then you have, though on the other end, you have people like JP Spears, who you know, he's touching some forbidden fruit that some of the conservatives are getting pretty mad at. And in my opinion, with comedy, there can't be sacred cows. You know, if you say, you know, you can only make fun of this, and not that you can't you know, you can't tease the king kind of thing. You're not going to be able to engage in real comedy. So I do think, yeah, comedy should not be partisan. You should be able to make fun of people right left center any. I would absolutely agree with that, all right. So last one with closing, You know, I wanted to you brun up the Empire, and of course I'm gonna push everybody to your show, but you brunt up the empire. And I think that's what America has become. And I love your thoughts on this as we're putting this show to rest. An empire is one that is more concerned with their territories abroad, right, And this is something that we're seeing. I mean, when I'm last looked at it, the Chinese, the Communist Chinese Party, I believe, only has one foreign base in Djibouti. The Russians only have I think nine foreign bases in former Soviet Bloc countries. The United States, I think there's like eighty in North Korea. I think there's like one hundred and twenty eight in Germany. Like this seems to be operating as an empire. And if we are to write the Republic and really celebrate these two hundred and fifty years do we have to turn a little bit more towards isolationism or maybe just nationalism. I have a different view on this than maybe what a lot of people talk about. Actually, I believe America needs to stand for something, and I think that's what we've lost. America is a very weird empire. We've achieved the dreams of Caesar and you know, Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan. We basically run the world. You know, we can steamroll anyone we want. And rather than tax you know, the provinces, we give them stuff. You know, we let them rip us off on trade deals, we let them take advantage of us, We let them cheat and rob and whatever else. Like, we're kind of. You know the stage in Rome where the barbarians at the gates and people are too busy sitting in the in the saunas and the baths to do anything about it, you know, waiting for the barbarians to come and chop their heads off, and just so disconnected. From from what we stand for that. We've just lost touch with defending it. I think America has been subverted, actually, and the international presence we had is not us representing something. It's actually other countries forcing us to adopt globalist policies. And things like that. I think America should actually require a defense of the Constitution as. Part of our global program. And I believe that is something that would be good because I actually do believe very much in the Constitution. I believe it was put in place to make the point clear what the role of government is. Government is created. Among men to defend God given rights, and I think America should defend that. I hope America starts standing for something again because I do think that is what we've really lost touch with. Well, I absolutely cherish that. You know what government is supposed to do. The purpose of government secure rights, God given rights. The Constitution doesn't give us rights. Government doesn't give us rights. The it is our Lord that gives us rights. All right. So, well, it has been a fantastic interview. I've thoroughly enjoyed myself, as I know my audience has as well. How do people listen to you on Crossroads on Epoch TV? Yeah? So I do two shows on YouTube. I do Crossroads and I also do the Josh Phillip Show, which is my more in depth show. So you can check it out, all right, well, I highly recommend that the audience go to that. In fact, Chris is showing it right now here on YouTube. That's how you follow it. Subscribe to it, ladies and gentlemen, because this is a man who knows what he's talking about. 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