Church & State -Did No-Gatekeeper Media Make us Dumber, Angrier and More Gullible with Drew Allen

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I mean, there's never been a die off from the conservative movement of wanting to see people like Barack Obama actually face justice. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a long list of people. I mean, what makes the Trump russiacclusion hoax turned coup so remarkable is the number of people that were involved to pull it off, including people in the media that were, you know, sycophantic to push that. Mark Elias, you know Democrats, super lawyer who was at Perkins Coy at the time, Barack Obama, John Burne, the entire intelligence community effectively, James Comey. I mean, it's just really really stunning, and obviously it's what blew the lid off the fact that there is a deep state that exists, which isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a revolving door of unelected bureaucrats who you know, outstay presidents. You know, president's there for eight years. And typically what happens is, whether you're Republican or Democrat, you enter the White House and there's an understanding that you're going to be a cog in their wheel because they've been there before you and they're going to be there after you. And the understanding is, hey, you know, you could, you can do X, Y and Z and have a little bit of latitude, but at the end of the day, you answer to us, the American people who voted for you. And that's why Donald Trump was such a threat to them, because through what he was saying, and through his background and being independently wealthy and coming from outside of politics, he wasn't going to come in there and be a cog in the wheel, and so that's why you had this desperate, desperate effort that included Republicans and Democrats to prevent him from from becoming president. And then of course, once he did become president, they tried to undermine the will of the American people by forcing him out with the Obama coop based on Trump Russia collusion. And you know, this book is really important because, you know, there's been a lot of really great books written about Trump Russia collusion, but they were written before the declassification that took place with Tulci Gabbard last summer, and so those declassified documents actually filling kind of a lot of the missing pieces and paint a pretty clear picture of just what happened and how dangerous it was. And this Trump Russia collusion scandal, it really continues to poison the body politic. And we really need to get accountability for this because the enemy that conspired to pull off this, you know, attempt at heist of the nation, they've been in bolden since because there hasn't been accountability. But at the same time, they're more desperate to keep it covered up because we went from you know, Trump Russia collusion to a stolen election in twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, unprecedented lawfare against the president of the United States, and it's getting worse and worse, not better. So Trump Russia coclusion, which was the greatest attack on a republic, one of the greatest in all of American history. You know, that was kind of the starting point, unfortunately, and it's only getting more dangerous since. You know, Andrew, I don't think the American public was aware. I think it's certainly the curtain's been pulled back at least somewhat, but I don't think the American public was understood how dirty, how corrupt politics actually are. I've told the story before on the show, but I'm a former city councilman, so even at that micro level, I experienced exactly what you're talking about. The bureaucrats don't care you got elected. You're gonna be here for four years, maybe eight years, who knows, but they're going to outlast you, and they present to you what they want to They will give you options, but every single option is a winner for the bureaucrats. And most politicians don't think, Hey, can I look outside the box? Can I examine this from a different way, get to a different conclusion, but it truly does happen from the city council level all the way, and especially I would say at that federal level. Well, I'll give you a perfect example from the book. Because we know who these deep state operatives are. It's not a secret throughout in the open. Mike Morell, that's one of these deep state operatives. So Mike Morell, famously, during the Obama administration, he was the intelligence official that helped Barack Obama scrub the Bengazi talking points twelve times. Remember, everyone knew the CIA, knew Hillary Clint was sending emails the very ninth that Bengazi attack happened, telling her daughter and Sidney Powell that this was a premium, premeditated terrorist attack. And yet the Obama administration had Mike Morrell come up with this fiction that it was a spontaneous protest that was the result of an anti Muslim, anti Islam video and it wasn't true. Well, Mike Morell, you might remember his name more recently because he's the one that the Obama administration, sorry, the Biden campaign turned to in the twenty twenty election to organize the fifty former intelligence agents to lie on paper signing their names that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation and Mike Morell was the fifty first signature on that paper. So look, you're talking about going back to twenty twelve when Mike Morrell is a corrupt intelligence official that's lying via the CIA, and then you fast forward when he's out of office, and who does the Biden campaign turn to Mike Morrell? You know? And Drew, I have a policy, just a personal one, but I tend to not trust people who's who are named after mushrooms like this. This guy is a dirty fungus. I'm well aware of him, but I mean that's just a personal preference on my part. If you're named after a mushroom, I don't tend to trust you. I think that's a great, a great way to look at things, and it'll probably prove you know, responsible and validate your fears. You know. The thing about Mike Morrel too, if you've ever seen a picture of this guy, you know he looks more like Hey, And this is the thing about the deep state operators, you know, they're not they're not Delta Force operators and Navy seals. They're not jacked Americans that you know, work out and whatever else. They they look like your accountants. You know, They've got you know, their wire rimmed glasses and their parted hair, and they just look like nerds. And that that's Mike Morele. That's who these these people are. No, you're You're absolutely right. It's almost like, you know, Bill Gates is I've classified this the same way. It's like they're trying to take vengeance upon the world for getting picked on in high school. That's exactly right. You know, many of these people. I mean I've always said this too. You know, I'd got a c pack with aj Rice who had him recently and stuff like that, and you know, I'd always say to him, you know, politics is like Hollywood for losers, Hollywood for you know, nerds that people who got who got who got picked on? You know, and you have a lot of people like that that that are vengeful. And I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, politics is about one thing, and it's about power. And you know, the Left in particular, because they don't believe in transcendent power, they believe themselves to be gods. Effectively, you know, the state is god. You know, the type of person that's attracted to the Democrat Party in particular is a very dangerous individual. I mean, you can look at what's going on the news right now with Eric Swalwell. He wants to be governor of the state I live in California. This is a guy who should have been out of politics a long time ago. I mean, this is a guy who fell for a honey uh pot trap. I mean when he was a Dublin, California city councilman. You know, he he got ensnared with a a Chinese spine. She actually staffed his congressional office, she helped fundraise for him, and this guy somehow remained on the House Intelligence you know committee until Republicans removed him. And now you know, this is the guy that demanded sunlight for the Epstein files, you know, when he pushed the Trump Russia collusion hoax with impunity, and now that his ten year files are ready to be released, even redacted by cash Bettel. No, no, no, no one can see this. This is an attack on democracy. You know, It's just it's so rich coming from these people. It truly is. And you know that that buzzword I hate the word democracy. I hate when people say that we are a democracy, as we're not, or at least we weren't intended to be. Perhaps we've gotten there, but it's rather unfortunate because, as our founding father said, democracies, they don't last very long. They tend to implode, and perhaps that's what the Democrats want for this country. Drew, I want to ask you about the current situation and really what you were talking about in the beginning, because it seems that with Obama, with Biden, I think you can even go back a little bit further. I'm no fan of Bush, but it seems like the American public has really gotten this distrust for government to where really anything that the government says, we kind of take the oppositional, defiant. View of you're lying to me. There has been some great hope with Donald Trump that maybe we could correct this. But is this something that we can correct or is this now part of the American DNA distrust of government? Well, a certain amount of distrust and skepticism is healthy. After all, this nation was created because of a rejection of a tyrannical government, right Great Britain, So that is definitely in our DNA, but it can be problematic when you position yourself mentally as just a perpetual contrarian. And you know, the Iran war right now is one of those sticking points that has his created division with a number of people, some that are authentically Maga, a lot of them, frankly, that were never Magga to begin with. There's a lot of grifters out there that when it was convenient for them, they attached their wagon to Maga to you know, gain fame, popularity, success, and they now you have to remember too, just for context, you know, what we're witnessing right now is not unusual. When Ronald Reagan was president, the Rhinos at the time were on the record just chopping at the bit to get rid of Reagan. You know, you would think that they would want to continue to ride that wave because Reagan was so overwhelmingly popular and good overall for them and their success. But that's not it. They didn't like Reagan because again, I think he was another guy who you know, he wasn't perfect. No president's going to be perfect. You can't measure them based on perfection because none of us are perfect. But Reagan was obviously he was a tremendous president and they wanted to get rid of him. Well, now where are we? You know, Trump's not going to be able to run for reelection. You have a sort of a vacuum created. Whether it's going to be ja Events or Rubio. There are other people who are certainly gonna put their you know, hat in the ring too, But people are looking to move past Donald Trump, and so you have to be people just have to be very very cautious and careful. I mean one of the you know, I've got a video I think coming out the Daily Signal today or tomorrow hopefully, and you know, it's my call for unity, because my my pitch to the American people and conservatives or Maggotcter is that, look, you know, you're not gonna agree with one hundred percent of what Donald Trump does. You can even have totally coherent disagreements or objections to what's going on in Iran by right now, But is that one policy disagreement really worth going back to what we had the hell that we endured under, for example, the Biden autopin administration, you know, and are we really not going to have perspective about the real wins we've put on the board. I mean pretty big wins. I mean, you know, getting rid of DEI, diversity equity inclusion, you know, uh, removing biological males from competing in women's sports, you know, bringing jobs back from being offshore to China. I mean, there are countless wins. But you know, look, I've tried to say this too. If you got fifty of what Donald Trump promised, that's more than you would get from any other president. And so, you know, you just it's important to hold everyone's feet to the fire to some extent, but you can't go to a point where you lose all perspective and you hand you know, the country back over to you know, a much more dangerous prospect. Yeah. I like the response. It does lead me to two different questions actually, and perhaps I'll start with the more libertarian one. I am a Christian libertarian. I refer to myself as a bibilitarian. Where do that that libertarian crowd or the independent crowd fit in to the Republican Party Because there seems to be a lot of attacks that have been directed at us, you know, those of us that that may be more oppositional, that might be saying, hey, that's it's not constitutional, we can't really act like. That, or we're opposed to foreign wars. Is there a spot for people like that in the MAGA community. Yeah, I think so. I mean there's not really another spot. I mean, you know, where else are you going to go? I mean, libertarians have tried to mount thrown candidates and there's just not you know, enough momentum or numbers to mount a successful bid. And so, you know, here's here's what I think about libertarians. And I mean this with all due respect. I Mean one thing I admire and respect about libertarians is, you know, there is kind of a period about it, right. I mean, it's it's it's it's you know, really based and founded in you know, virtue and kind of these immovable elements. And I think that a lot of conservatives, like myself agree with you know, ninety five percent of you know, the libertarian platform. But the thing that's happened to me over the years that I've I've started to understand is, you know, you've got to also have you know a degree of realism that enters you know, those conversation because you know, this isn't You're not gonna it's not a perfect world. We have a two party system. You're dealing with Republicans who are demonic as demonic as the Democrats are. And so you know, strategically, you can't be moored to this purity test all the time because you're never gonna find a candidate that's going to meet it, and frankly, you're never gonna get anything accomplished. So you know, you've gotta you've got to And look, I mean, as a conservative, there's certain things that aren't debatable for me. You know, abortion is one of those issues. This transgender is am issue, you know, Uh, I mean, there are a number of issues that that you know would absolutely I mean, if if the Republican Party went there, I would just I could never support the party again. But I think that I don't think that you know, Trump ever claimed to be an isolationist, and so I think I think it's disingenuous to paint Donald Trump as someone who's betraying America first and Maggie right now, because that's that's not the case. It's like, for example, you know, I think that decent American people don't want to send our men and women off to die. We don't want wars and it's true that Donald Trump, for example, you know, ran on No New Wars. But you know it's twenty twenty, you know, six, I guess somehow, right, is that? Yeah, that's crazy. My oldest daughter just turned three yesterday. Anyway, you know, he didn't run as an isolationist, you know, and I think that, you know, sometimes, you know, there is a requirement you know, to take action that's preventative abroad to actually protect our interests at home. And I mean, if you look at what we did in Venezuela, for example, a lot of people were kind of shocked that we would go into Venezuela like that and take the action we did. But it fails to account for the dangerous world and the enemies we face that have created alliances. So you know, today it's they call it crank China, Russia, Iran and with Korea, that's the great axis that wants to undermine us. And you know, it's communism, it's authoritarianism. But you know, Venezuela is certainly in our hemisphere. And you know, the Cubans were there, the Russians were there, the Chinese were there, the Iranians you know, were there, and they were all using that as a as a position to undermine the United States, and the same is true is of Canada. I mean, Canada is right at our northern border obviously, and they are cozying up with China. So these are threats to the United States of America. So I think that I think that I I mean, I wouldn't say anybody needs to abandon their principles. I think that we need to always keep those principles in our hearts. But I think that there has to be a little bit of of latitude, you know, to adjust them when you know we can, we can make a rational argument for why, you know, some type of action that we maybe don't really want, you know, takes place. Yeah, I certainly agree with you on on the Canadian element. And you know, hockey is the greatest sport in the world. I'll fight you on that. And so it was real great to see the USA teams beating the Canadians and hockey, because that's pretty much probably the closest. Will come to war with Canada is on the hockey rink. I also wanted to ask you about presidential candidates because you brought up Marko Rubio, you brought up JD. Vance. These guys, whether you hate them, I love them. They're both very presidential. They're both very well spoken, articulate. When I examined the Democrat lineup, it looks kind of rough. I mean, is it for to say, You're like, they don't really have a good looking candidate for this next election. No, We've got a deep bench, and our bench has been forged through opposition and fire. And that's one of the reasons too. These candidates are strong, whether it's JD. Vance, Rubio or someone else. The other problem for the Democrats is they don't actually run for anything for a decade now. Their entire platform has been Trump Arrangement syndrome. So they can't explain to anyone what they're for, or what they want, or why their policies might benefit the American people. And of course no Democrat policy today would benefit the American people. But that's all they have. They have created a mentally ill base of supporters that whose support is predicated on hatred of Donald Trump and so like in California right now, with a government with the gubernatorial race going on, you've got some of the dumbest, least qualified people. Katie Porter, Eric Swallwell it's a long list of idiots, frankly, that are runing to be governor of California. And what you see is they are trying to outdo each other with their hatred of Trump. So Katie Porter goes to you know, they convene in California, you know, a couple months ago, and the objective was to try and pick who the front runner was going to be. And the Democrat parties and social just arry that they couldn't even decide on a candidate. And Katie Porter, you know, she got up there and she tried to lead the crowd and channing you know, f Donald Trump, this is your Democrat Party today, a politician. I mean, it's so inappropriate. I can't believe that in a Christian nation that we've gotten to a place where leading gubernatorial candidates of the biggest state in America are running on a platform that tries to lead supporters and chants using the f work. Is a very very good point California. And I'm originally from California, was born in the Bay Area, and in my time in the Marine Corps is actually in twenty a m Palms, which is not a nice place to be. So I have always warfare. Yeah, I've always had a deep interest in what's going on in California. And I also feel like California is kind of the when you examine California, you can kind of forecast, especially what's going to happen on the left coast. I'm in Washington State, so it seems like what California does, Washington is like. A year before. They're like the little brother of California, like looking up to them, like what are you guys gonna do? And so watching what's going on in California has been always a great interest to me. And yeah, this governor's race, where you've had fail policies, you got you know, gruesome Newsom over there talking down to the black crowd, which was absolutely pathetic, making it sound like they were all just stupid, which I guess he got from Biden. You got him during the during the whole COVID debacle going out to the wineries in Napa Valley and hey, I can do this. I don't have to wear a mask. I can get together, but you guys all can't. And California is still poised to bring in another Democrat governor. It blows my mind, is that perhaps because we haven't really had a good Republican candidate in California in a long time for governor. I mean, we had chay On. I didn't have to be a prophet to tell you he wasn't gonna win. I mean I think that, yes, you've had some weaker candidates run. And part of the reason you have weaker candidates running because you're not attracting you know, strong candidates in some capacities, because you know, there's a little bit of a psyop that's happened in California, which is look. I mean, I have friends that tell me, you know, California is actually a Republican state, and it's because they cheat that we can't. I don't think that's true. I live here. There's a lot of Democrats. We've had a legal immigration here for a long time. We have more legals in this state than any other state in the country. We also have more homeless than any other state. So I think that no Democrat policies and changes, I mean, it had me it hard for Republicans to win. I'm kind of doing the Trump weave, but I'll get to answer the question. I promise. There's just so much to let to factor in here. But look, I mean, you have obviously mail in ballots in California, you have no requirement for ID, you know, to vote. You have ballot harvesting, which is, you know, I can go to anybody's house anywhere and I can collect their ballot for them and you know, take it in for them, which can include you know, hey, hey, you got any coffee? Did you fill it out? Let's fill out you know, Gavin Newsom for governor. And then on top of that, you have something called cuuring ballots. So like, for example, in the recent races for house seats and everything else, some of these you know, Republican candidates were winning by you know, one hundred and two hundred votes. Well, what curing ballots allows Democrats to do is they can go and find, however, many ballots have been disqualified because they lack of signature or have some other issue with them, and they gave themselves something like two entire months, you know, it was a crazy amount of time to go and cure the ballots. So what that means is they can actually go to the resident who filled out the ballot incorrectly and they can get them to fix it, so they can then count that ballot. I mean, so my point is, you've just got everything stacked against you. You've got so much money, and so the syop is that a lot of Republicans are just convinced that, you know, it's over in California, and you know, there's no point, so you know, so people are convinced to just kind of give up, and that that's what democrats do across the board and the left and authoritarians. I like to bring up the trucker protest in Canada that happened a number of years ago. It was a monumental, seismic protest. You know, cars and trucks were going for miles and miles and miles down the road. It was a huge, overwhelming rejection of Canada's own tyrannical policies related to COVID, and yet our own media, in Canadian media, downplayed the protest to try and convince people that very very few people were involved. And the objective obviously, it's easier to just get people to just give up, right, you know, It's a lot easier to win a war if you just get people to put down their arms. So that's what they're kind of doing. What they've done in California, but I don't know. I mean, we have a jungle primary here. There is a possibility that two Republicans could land on the eventual you know, sheet to vote for, and then there will be no Democrats to vote for. I mean, that would be an amazing, amazing I'm not holding my breath. Yeah, I mean I definitely see that as a maybe a minor possibility. And even if that were to happen, you know, you could get somebody like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who's really not that great of a governor, if we want to be honest about it. So California is very similar to Washington State in that you go Inland to California, you go to northern California. A lot of Republicans, a lot of conservatives in that area, but they just they can't match what's going on in La or San Francisco or even San Diego unfortunately, which used to be a really great military town. It's the same with Washington State. Inland, very conservative, but Seattle, that area it just overwhelms us. Same with Oregon. With Portland. I wanted to move into a conversation that you actually had with AJ, but I saw the article here on your substack and we'll bring that up for the audience actually so they can see and follow you on substack. But the digital deluge, how no geekkeeper media made us dumber, angrier, and more gullible. That's a really interesting title that I'd like to dive in with you. Here. We got about a minute and thirty seconds left before we have to take a hard break, but we can start and serve. The mike is yours. Yeah, I mean, look, for a long time, we had traditional media, which I think all of us agree, you know, was problematic because you know, they were the de facto mouthpieces for everything, and so you had obviously CNN, NBC, all these difference that news organizations that were left leaning and we're giving a you know, jaded perspective on what was going on in the country, and that was the information available. Obviously, those doorways have been broken down and it allowed the possibility for other voices to enter the fray. And so you take away the strength and power that the mainstream media held. But the double edged sort of that, And as somebody who is part of the alternate media, right because I'm not on CNN or Fox News or anything else, is that. You know, we do have a lot of people who are don't have any qualifications or any you know, stringer requirements whatsoever. I mean, even NBC as bad as they are or CNN as bad as they are, you know, pressure will force them to issue a you know, statement correcting something, or apologize on air with a lawsuit that does not happen obviously outside that ecosystem. So you know, it's up to the individual who has a show or whatever else to show some self restraint and retain their you know, Virtue. Andrew, I gotta, I gotta interrupt you. I apologize, but we hit that heartbreak moment, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to continue. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State. Are you tired of your device spying on you? Ladies and gentlemen. We live in nineteen eighty four. Your phones, your tablets, your smart televisions, they all are spying on you. And this is why I heavily endorse Mark thirty seven dot com. This is everything you need for your digital privacy. Phones, tablets, laptops, all of them are ghost protocol, so that means that you are in charge of your own data. 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You know, canis Owens. I would just say, is a perfect example. You know, she was somebody who you know, obviously she found great success frankly because Charlie Kirk plugged her from you know, kind of rising obscurity. You know, she she used to be a Democrat, she was an Obama girl, and then she found great success as a vocal conservative. And you know, to me, she's completely unrecognizable now because, like you know, the perfect example is, yeah, I have a show. I talked about these issues, the Save Act, you know, whatever it is. I mean, I talking about issues that affect America every single day. And you know, canis Owan's is never ever. I mean, she spent before the Charlie Kirk stuff, right, and that kind of route that she chose, she spent you know, weeks and weeks and weeks talking about whether or not you know, Macron's wife had a penis. And so I just looked at that when she was doing it. And this is before I actually was really aggravated with her over what she's done recently from my perspective, but I just looked at her as as this prominent conservative who was linked to Charlie Kirk at one point, fighting for Western values, and I thought, what benefit is she bringing as somebody who lives in Tennessee with her British husband, What benefit does she bring into the United States and commentary by creating controversy and getting sued on purpose, et cetera by the Macron Like, what whether whether Brigette Macron has male body parts or not, what does that? How does that affect my life as an American citizen whatsoever? And so I just saw it very clearly. But it was attracting views, and people are free, by the way, to talk about whatever they want. But I just thought it was strange that somebody who was like one of the greatest advocates of conservatism was now deciding to talk about you know, France every single day and have these series. And obviously, I understand how YouTube works. I understand the monetization. I have friends that have two million YouTube subscribers and I go on their shows and they make a lot of money on there. So I get it, and that's fine, You're free to do that. But you know, and then we get to the Charlie Kirk stuff and there was zero self restraint whatsoever. My point with kind of this, this, you know, the gatekeepers being removed, is, you know, Candae is free to go on her show, you know, every single day and say what she wants. But the problem is she's misleading a lot of people. And that's not to say that you can't have questions about the Charlie Kirk situation at all. Again, healthy skepticism is fine, but she has obviously been going after Erica Kirk with impunity, which is so demonic in my opinion. And secondarily, she has made all these promises for receipts and everything else that she never produces, and so it's like I get on the air every single day. But the point is she's driving rage, and she's driving hysteria, and she is making people dumber because she's saying things that she never actually backs up with the receipts that she promises. And so it's fine to ask questions, you know, and look at this lady latest daily mail piece, you know, for example, that has actually a misleading headline but says, you know, the defense of you know, Tyler Robinson says that you know they're the you know, they have the whatever. The investigators have determined that you know, this you know, bullet doesn't match the gun. That's actually not what the defense said. They said that because it was in there's no way to actually determine if it was. That's a big difference, right, And so my point is because because you can because it's lucrative now to drive hysteria for clicks and views. A lot of people don't have the best interest of their audience or the country itself and put that first. And so look somebody else. It's not Candice, you know, could say something similar. But it's about motivation too. Like I've seen people that are friends of mine and former clients who wrote books on how we needed to neutralize Iran, Like they wrote books on Iran being an existential threat, and now because it's popular, they're now saying going on Tucker Show and you know, arguing the exact opposite. And the point is you can be against the Iran war, but obvious there are people out there whose opinions and what they're saying on their shows are not rooted in what they actually believe. It's a betrayal of their own identity because they're not chasing truth at the end of the day. They are actually trying to concoct conspiracy theories to gain the audience. And so I guess a lot of it's about intent, right. Yeah, I mean I can appreciate that there are a lot of grifters out there, and we want authentic hosts. I've said on the show multiple times. I don't necessarily agree with everything that Candice Own's is saying, but I can appreciate some of what she covers. Same with Tucker really really, same with anybody on here. I guess on this one. The question I'd like to ask you on this is is it preferable to go back to a gatekeeper system or should we be really living under the free market system as far as where we're consuming our news. Let the buyer beware, do your research, figure out is this person actually telling you that truth? And then you, as the individual, can decide who's going to be popular or who's not. No, I agree with the latter. I think that the free market and what we're doing is right based on my own principles and everything else. So I hold firm to that. And so my pointing it out isn't to say that we should go back to the gatekeeper media. It's simply pointing out something like, Okay, you know we have social media. Now, there's no going back, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. But it's obviously clear that there have been some devastating consequences because of social media to young people and everything else and what it's done to the country and the culture. The iPhone, I mean, we know on this one. I actually I'm thirty nine. But with the iPhone thing, I actually wish I could go back to an era that I didn't even really inhabit as an adult, which was, you know, just having a home phone landline, because now the expectation is that I work seven days a week and that I am basically on call for anyone and everyone at every moment of the day, and you know, you're constantly distracted. You're pulled away from things that are actually important in your life, that bring full fulfillment, your family, time with one another, relaxation, and those things don't happen. So no I advocate for where we are. I just I'm just from my perspective, it's opened up a can of worms that I don't think any of us anticipated or I certainly didn't really think about at the time. You know, I think an obstacle to overcome. Absolutely, you know, I have a solution for you. I actually work for. A company that sells ghost phones, so phones that don't spy on you. And one of the things that we have is a flip phone actually, so you can go back to that to where all you do is call in text and the device does not listen actively listen. To everything that you're doing. So we have to we'll have to talk about that kind of off camera, but there is solutions out there. I would agree with your assessment. I mean, so social. Media, I wish we could put that genie back in the bottle because it is disgusting. And now with the introduction of AI and. The deep fakes that they're able to produce, you don't even know what the truth is anymore. And people are consuming this there this is their news source. You know. We used to get mad when people were watching Comedy Central for their news source. You know, they'd get people like Jon Stewart and whatnot, and they just that's the gospel truth. Nowadays everybody's getting their media from social media. They're just on Twitter, on x you know, on Instagram. They just believe this is the gospel truth. And now with the introduction of AI, what is real anymore? We're questioning that. Yeah, there's just there's just no filtration system. So just to look at pros and cons again, like the FCC, you know, does monitor you know, network news for example, and so if if if you know CNN, you know ran a story and I just saw this recently, so I bring it up. Like, so if they played a video of some airport that was on fire and they said that, oh, Iran has just struck you know, Ben Garan Airport and Israel, Iran's winning the war, and it turned out that that video wasn't even the Israeli airport, and then it was complete lie and intended to sell a certain narrative. You know, they would be forced to effectively come in and say, oh, we retract that, we apologize. I mean, I've seen friends of mine posting similar things on x And look, I mean, if you want to be opposed to the Iran ward, that's great, but don't don't present your argument with things that aren't true and didn't happen, right, just based on facts and you know, your objective assessment of things. And so my point is without this filtration system, lies travel so quickly around the world, and you know, it's basically we're doing on the right what the left has done in the past too, which is, you know, hands up, don't shoot. Like back to the Obama era with Michael Brown. Michael Brown, the story from the narrative was he was this young, promising, amazing, you know, black kid who was going to go off to be an NFL player. And you know he was leaving a you know, not a grocery store, but a convenience store, and you know this cop was harassing him, and you know he shot him in the back with his hands up. And none of that was true. You know, the kid actually had assaulted the officer in sitting in his vehicle. He had tried to take the officer's gun, and the officer shot him in self defense. But the narrative that people believed, I mean, there were protests about Ferguson, hands up, don't shoot became the narrative. Hands up, don't shoot was a myth that never happened. But people still believe to this day that Michael Brown was the victim of you know, you know, police brutality because he was black and it wasn't true. And so that's the danger of all this and it can and now any of us can do it. No, you're absolutely right. I mean, the Democrats have been using this for so long. I mean, Trayvon Martin, right, Saint George Floyd as they referred to him right, he's a saint. A guy was a criminal, a horrible human being. But they've been using that to so division and that's very intentional. They really do want to divide America. I think that's the end goal. If we can get each other at each other's throats. I think they'd go so far as to initiate a civil war in order to ensure that they have the power to keep the American people divided. Because one of the things I say on the show oftentimes is your average Democrat, your next door neighbor, they're not the real enemy. And I think Americans need to come to that conclusion. They may have differing opinions, they may have different views, but really, when we get down to it, the true enemy is the ones that are at the upper level that we don't even know their names, and they're trying to intentionally divide America. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And people have to remember too that you know social media and you know the internet, especially now, our enemies are using that to divide us as well. I mean there are Russian operations, Chinese operations, Iranian operations that are all intended to sow discord over every single issue and so I just think that, you know, what's required in this kind of free media environment that we live in is that people have to just demand better themselves, right, I mean, you've got to You've got to study the Constitution yourself. You know, you've got to read literature and history and educate yourself and not just let yourself be immediately persuaded by someone who sounds like they're making a good point. And I say that to my audience too, you know, it's you know, I like to I believe that I hold myself to a high standard. I believe that, you know, I speak from a place that is devoted to truth. But you've also got to got to make the effort to educate yourself on the issues, you know. I mean, I will lay out a case as clearly as I can based on my evidence and what I believe, and it won't be based on just emotional arguments. But at the same time, you know, don't just take it for me. Well said, yeah, do your own research for sure. Well, if people do want to research you and the things that you're talking about, I want to bring up your substack. It's substack dot com forward slash at Drew Allen Chris has got that right there for the audience. But Drew Pitch pitch the site, Why should people be following you? Well, look, I mean, you know, I kind of post my podcast stuff and everything up to on Drew Allen dot substack dot com. It's just the easiest and best place to stay abreast of everything. But you know, I'm a columnist and a California columnist over the Daily Signal where Victor Davis Hansen is, and I'm a public publicist too, and obviously an author. But you know, you can get in touch with me there. You can. You can write me. I mean, I don't mind hate mail so much either. You know, whatever, what do you have to say, send it my way. I absolutely love that. Yeah, bring on the hate mail. In fact, I want people to to comment that have differing opinions. I think, honestly, that's how we edify truth. And that's the end goal. I get that from you. I know that's how I operate. We want to get to the truth. If it's uncomfortable, so be it. That's the end goal. Here is the ultimate truth. And obviously for me as a Christian, uh you know that that is Jesus Christ. He is the ultimate truth. But Drew, it's been a pleasure having you on the show. We'll have to have you back. It's a fun conversation and I'm going to be following you on substack and watching what you're doing. But any last words for the audience. There, Yeah, you know, look, we gotta win. We gotta win midterms, and we've got to stay united behind Trump because the alternative to Trump is far worse than anything we can imagine. And I would encourage people not to let it. You know, a single disagreement, no matter how heated it is, convince us that it's over and that we're going to be better off with a president Gavin Newsome, you know, in. Office Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris or I mean, there's some bad choices out there. All right, Well, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and close this out if you hold on one more minute post production, Sarah, goodbyes. I appreciate it, but thank you again for your time on Churches State. God bless your brother, Thank you you too. All Right, there you go, ladies and gentlemen. A very interesting conversation with Drew Allen. And look, I love so much of what we're talking about here. It's a very important subject, what media looks like, what the ir iranium war, and who we should be listening to. It's very important conversations for every single one of us to have. Church of State is brought to you in part by Colonial Life, Spokane, Independent Agents, Finders Insurance, and Mark three to seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Collier. 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