Church & State: Save Our Sheriffs w/ Sheriff Mack

Spokane Valley could become a sanctuary city. A different Houseman Caleb Collier says that this I'm. Proposing that the City of Spokane Valley issue of proclamation stating that our city is a second a image sanctuary. Welcome to the fire. Today on Church and State, Sheriff Mack, Hello Christian patriots, and welcome to Church and State, where we drive morality and religion over tolerance and apathy. And I'm your host, Caleb Callier, once again your favorite for a right shock jock and the show that talks about politics from religion. Jesus Christ is our referee, so it's always nice and clean and real quick. I'm gonna point you to Church and State dot Media so you can do a few things. Num'ber one, please fill out this registration form. I know I've got that annoying pop up as soon as you go to the website, but I want to get a hold of you. I want you to get our newsletter and I'm gonna personally call you. 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You can correct me if I'm wrong, but they're doing amazing work to ensure that we have sheriff's peace officers that actually represent we the people. Sheriff Mac is great to have you back on. Well thanks Caleb Bits. Always great to be with you. I love the church and state show you have. And we are in just about every all states except we have a couple of members in Alaska and I think maybe one or two in Hawaii, but Hawaii and Alaska don't have sheriffs. And even worse, the state of Connecticut got rid of sheriffs over thirty years ago and they voted him out. They promoted a referendum and the eight sheriffs, the eight county sheriffs in Connecticut were offered a state marshall's job that paid double what they were making, so they took the bribe and left instead of fighting for their position as the top executive of every county there. They didn't understand their own job. And that's why we have the cspoas to make sure the American people don't forget the sheriff and who he reports to, because it's to us. They report only to the people, and that is what we need back, and this is what we're trying to preserve to make sure the American people have a place to turn, a person to turn to when government becomes venile and oppressive. And the main one, the most oppressive bureaucrat or bureaucracy that we have to find is the irs. And the corruption of Washington, DC just never ceases to amaze me. And the Democrats now are literally destroying our country from within, and we have got to have sheriff wake up and see what's going on and take action against it. I absolutely love that I've been big on this for a long time. I've given in fact speeches and things where I've discussed the importance of the constitutional sheriff, and what I've used for kind of a display for people to understand the importance here is I'll take three members of the crowd and bring them up, and I'll say, you're the federal government, you're the state government, you're the sheriff. And I'll say, each one of you has a shield and a sword, and I want you to all face in the same direction, right, and I'll ligne them up federal state sheriff. And I'll say, if. The federal government ever turns around and starts attacking, now, it's supposed to be the states and the sheriff that are going to defend the rights of the public. And if because of them, pocketbooks, if the state ever turns around it starts coming after its own citizens, well then it's up to the sheriff. And I believe that demonstrates really well for the audience the importance of the sheriff. But please expand on that. Explain why the sheriff is really the last resource for us if our government becomes absolutely tyrannical. Well, he is the last line in the sand, and he's also the first line in the sand. But when it comes to falling any county or any state, or our country falls under the weight of a tyrannical rule, which we've come close to have it. I mean Obama came really close. Biden. Probably if Biden would have been in another four years, I think it would have completely fallen because the border would never have been secured. And so it's really scary that Trump has given us a reprieve, and I thank god that he's in there. He needs to read Article one, Section eight of the Constitution a couple of times, but other than that, he's doing a real good job and we support him. But this is the thing. Let me tell you a couple of incidents about two sheriffs, and I'll answer this question. I'll answer your question by giving real examples of when sheriffs did their job against the federal government or against against state government. One was Sheriff Brad Rogers from Elkhart County, Indiana, and this was like fourteen to fifteen years ago. He's now a county commissioner because he turned out as sheriff. And I keep trying to get him to run for governor because he wins everything he runs for. And so this is Brad Rogers, former sheriff at Elkhart County. There was an Army's farmer in his county that kept getting harassed by the FDA. Finally the farmer called me. He borrowed a phone from somebody and called me. They told him you need to call Sheriff mac So he called me and I said, hey, you have a good sheriff in your county. He's been to our training, he knows what's up, he knows the constitution. So I referred him to Sheriff Rogers. They got together and Sheriff Rogers says, I'm going to intervene here. I'm going to interpose on your behalf and I just want to know that you won't buckle under the pressure, because it's good we're going to get some pressure. He goes, No, I'm with you all the way, Sheriff. I've had it with this. I've been passive. I've been I've allowed them to come on by property, but they just keep coming, and now they have me facing a grand jury in Detroit. And he goes, I'm tired of this. I want to be left alone. And you know what, folks, we all have the right to be left alone. Government cannot bother us if we're not hurting someone else, Okay. So anyway, Rogers, Cheff Rogers wrote a letter to them, the US Marshall's Office, to the FDA office, and to the DOJ and said, if you come back to my county without due process, duly signed warrants and probable cause, I will arrest you for trespassing. WHOA. So now he gets a letter from an attorney of the DOJ and he says he told Rogers, if you interfere and obstruct the justice that we're about, you will get three years in prison for felonious obstruction of justice. And then Rogers came to me and he says, we need to respond to this. So I did, and Cheff Rogers changed a couple of things. We sent this letter to him, c C. Did it to everybody else in Washington, and we caught him lying about the supremacy clause in Article six. He said, every major Supreme Court decision has given ultimate supremacy to the federal government, and then he put some dot dots where he was supposed to be, you know where he was lying. Anyway, my case, the mat Prince case of the United States Supreme Court and by the way, folks, it's in this little booklet and you can acquire it on my website. Okay, these are very inexpensive, but this is the most powerful Tenth Amendment state sovereignty case in the history of our country. You need to get copies of this and spread it around to all your friends and neighbors and the people who who are too woke that they won't read stuff, but give it to them anyway. Give it to your sheriff, give it to the counting commissioners, give it to your city council, give it to your governor, and let them see what they this case did. The states are not subject to federal direction. It's in here. There's lots more you need to get these, Okay. So Rogers and I devised the letter responding to their doj lyon lawyer, And after we corrected him and told him about this case and a few others, I guess it got to him. They sent a certified letter to David Hostetler, the Army's farmer, and told him everything was dropped and no more of federal grand jury in Detroit. Nothing, And the FDA never came back, and they still haven't. And like I said, this about fourteen fifteen years ago. That is a constitutional sheriff never threatened them with anything except if you violate the law, I'll put you in jail. That's all he ever said. Okay, but he just said he took a stand, and that's what we want every sheriff to do and know that that's part of their job. In fact, Sheriff Rogers when he comes to our events, which is very often, he talks about this, I'm not a hero. I didn't do anything. I just did my job. And that's what every sheriff needs to understand. This is your job. Now we have the tale of two sheriffs. The other part of the answer, Sheriff Cronister in Florida arrested Pastor Rodney Howard Brown for having church for having church in America. So Cronister is a rhino, and I've never talked to him in person. He's never returned my calls. But I'm glad we got to know what kind of person and what kind of sheriff he is, and we have been very critical of him. I still am. But anyway, then we had Pastor Caleb Cooper in New Mexico who went to his sheriff Sheriff Glen Hamilton, and he told Sheriff Hamilton, I'm not closing my church, and I want to know. I want you to know why, because the government doesn't run our church, you see, Sheriff, Jesus Christ runs our church and we're not closing. But what I need to know from you, Sheriff, is what you will do to protect us, to keep us open. And so get this, now, get this. Sheriff Hamilton responded thusly, if it takes me having to go to jail myself, I would do everything in my power to keep you open. And so here came the state police. As per Governor Grisham woke left us extremists as she is, and she was going to shut him down. The sheriff was there, and he went out and talked to him, very diplomatically, very techully, but he told him to know in certain terms, I have deputized every single person in that church, all of them men, women and children. I know. Isn't that great? I love it. He's creative and he's courageous, and he says this church is under my authority and they will stay open. The state police left, never came back, and Pastor Cooper stayed open every Sunday, every minute, never shut down one second. It's absolutely phenomenal, is what we're after. Yeah, and THAT'SFF And that's one of the things that I would hope the American citizens understand that the sheriff does have the authority to deputize every single person in the county that he represents. And at that. Point, you're you know, the state police, the federal police, whoever it is, they're facing a small army at that point. Maybe they got that point, I don't know, but they made no attempt to reverse what Sheriff Hamilton had done. And guess what he's had our training, folks, do you see a trend there? We do a class called the Constitution for Law Enforcement, and the half of the class is based on this decision, because, folks, this is so powerful. This is absolutely so powerful. The only time in history where sheriffs sued the federal government and won a landmark decision. You haven't heard about it, have you? It came out June of nineteen ninety seven. Why haven't you heard about it? Because the federal government doesn't want you to know about this. They don't they and they intentionally hit it so folks, go to our website, become a member of our posse, join us in this holy cause of liberty, and get these out. Get dozens of these for your home and for your families, pass them around, and then get involved with us because we help train you how to work with your sheriff to make sure he's doing the same thing the Sheriff Rogers and Sheriff Hamilton did, and there's others that have done this. During the COVID crisis, there were over five hundred sheriff nationwide who refused to enforce COVID nineteen mandates. Yep. But folks, that's good news. The bad news is that's only about sixteen percent of all the sheriffs. It's not enough. And that's where you come in, because the sheriff answers to you and he needs to hear from you. Folks. Do you see the solution here? We dig back America county by county, one good sheriff with his people. At a time, and that's it. The local solution that is going to be the best solution. We're not going to be able to do much against the federal bureaucracy, but at that local county level, we can be so effective Sheriff Maca. I want to actually transition this conversation to Washington State. Now, we just passed a bill Washington, and we were talking about this a little bit off camera here, but Washington's one of the worst states in the entire Union. If George Washington could see what has happened to his namesake, he'd roll over in his grave. But we just passed a law where we're no longer going to have sheriffs in Washington State. I'm actually I wasn't surprised that this bill came out because, as you were just talking about, during COVID, especially in eastern Washington where I reside, where it's much more conservative, we had a number of sheriffs that said, we're not gonna We're not going to arrest people for opening their businesses. We're going to arrest people for going to church during during the height of COVID, And of course, the bureaucracy in Olympia decided, we have to do something about these uppity sheriffs. So let's just make a law that we don't have sheriffs anymore. We're just going to have police chiefs that are appointed. By the mayors. UH and they're beholden to them, not to the people. And so let's talk about this a little bit, because Washington State is in for a rough future. Well they are. And I don't know if you know this, but we were there just a couple of months ago. We did see Spua event. Yeah, well good. So anyway, folks, the sheriffs have the audacity to not follow or kiss the ring of your stupid politicians there and your stupid legislature and your stupid governor and your stupid ag who are so woke they can't even see straight. And so they determined something that is absolutely true. The sheriffs don't take orders from crook politicians. They swore to upholl to defend the Constitution, the legislatures notwithstanding, and other politicians notwithstanding. They promised to protect the people. They're doing it. But so what did they do. Well, let's pass the law saying that we can get rid of any sheriffs anytime we want. If they don't do it, they're told, then if they don't follow the law, what is the law, Jefferson asked, what's the law? But a tool of the time. And that's what you're seeing in Washington and Washington is the worst state in the Union. It used to be Connecticut, but now it's Washington State. Wow, and like we're number one, Like yay, shouldn't we celebrate that? Like number one Washington State? Good job, guys. And poor Sheriff Swank from Pierce County and poor Sheriff Wagner in Adams County, they're actually your state. Your ag is suing Wagner for helping with deportation for doing what trying to get rid of cartels, international terrorist groups from Iran from it on and get rid of the people there, of the gangs of trendy at Ogwa and all the human traffickers and set those who are sexually exploitating children and selling them into international slave markets. They're all there. And you have the big group of Somali fraudsters in your state as well, and they're stealing your money and they're stealing you blind and your state is going along with it, just like Walls did in Minnesota. And folks, if you don't wake up and abandon your Democrat loyalties and just stand with the principles of freedom that our country was founded upon, your state is going to go down. And it's on its way these sheriffs are now going, it appears, are going to sue the state over this, this piece of trash legislation that gives a bureaucratic committee power to get rid of sheriffs in your state. The only law enforcement that reports to you that really that's I can't express enough how dangerous that is for all you. It truly is Sheriff Mack. And fans of church and state know that I love to hate on Washington State. I didn't mean for that to rhyme, but it did. But I do. I I devote a considerable amount of time. You know, I'm kind of angry. I guess it's kind of like, who is the gentleman out of San Francisco Michael Savage. Hey, he loved to just trash in San Francisco and California as a whole. I guess I'm kind of in that boat. I'm actually taking the steps to where it looks like I'm probably gonna hop over the border. I live in Spokane, so I'm real close to Idaho. It looks like I'm gonna move my family over to Idaho in the near future. But can you talk a little bit about I mean, I say it all the time, but perhaps it'll sound better coming from you. I have suggested that if you're in Washington State and you have the ability to leave, that you should do. So what are your thoughts on that. Absolutely, you vote with your feet and get out of that cesspool of Washington State. If you want to stay there and fight, you need to start calling your state reps and your governor and tell them how you oppose this and that they have no authority because what they're actually attacking you, they're stealing your authority and your stewardship to elect your own sheriffs. And sheriff's wink is barely surviving by a thread, and that's Pierce County sheriff. And you need to let them know we will choose our own sheriffs, not you, and not a panel of bureaucrats that you appoint, and that the people of Washington allowed this legislation to happen. Yeah, big mistake. But you can then do it right now and get them to repeal this and get them to undo it and tell them that you're standing with your sheriff and it's folks. Did I just say I can't express enough howdous this is for you. I would say, this is so dangerous for you. Yes, move to Idaho, move to Utah. Moved to Arizona. Well, Arizona's yeah. Look, even Arizona's much trouble we're having at the border and with voter fraud. They're still not trying to remove the sheriffs in Arizona. The fifteen sheriffs in Arizona are standing strong, and the legislature dare not mess with the sheriffs. And the federal government has proven over and over that they don't want to fight with sheriffs. So if sheriffs are on the right side, we're going to win this because even the FBI knows they can't afford to try to fight with you with the sheriffs. And I'm not talking physical. I'm talking about the battle of free expression and the battle of the Constitution, and the battle of individual liberty and the battle of what's called the sea, the pursuit of happiness by American people, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Those three things there, And let me ask right there, ok, how are we doing on protecting life in America? Not very well, folks, come on, But so yes, I would absolutely and I'm telling you right now. I have a son who lives in Cordelaine. He'd be happy to meet you and work with you. Cordlaine is a beautiful, beautiful city. Yeah, so I didn't know you had a sun there. Let me let me do this. You know on the show that people know I don't believe in modern day prophets, but I want to ask you to paint a dystopian picture for me. You know, like we're gonna go Bob Ross, We're gonna have some happy little accidents here. But if this is allowed to continue in Washington State and we say goodbye to the sheriffs that are beholden to the people, what kind of dystopian future would you see for the residents of Washington State. Well, you're going to have a like a Kamala here government. You're going to have like a Gavin Newsom government. It's going to be higher taxes on everything. Did you see who was it that just did the nine point nine percent increase of taxes? That was us? Yeah, that was Washington. In Virginia we went again, No, it was Washington. Oh, Washington State did that too. Okay, I know Virginia's trying to do it. I know California's trying to do it. California already has the highest cost of living of any state, maybe similar to Hawaii, which is probably the most liberal state in America as well, or close to it. But even they are not trying to do crap like Washington State. So Hawaii, California, Washington be ready to join them with higher taxes, more regulations, virtually no individual liberty, and you're going to live in a totalitarian state. And the dystopia is coming, folks, It's right around the corner, and it's time to wake up and get involved. Look, I'm not going to tell you to change parties. I don't care what party you are. What I'm going to tell you to change is stop voting for these people that are destroying your state, and make sure that everyone in your state, especially the AG right now, Ag Brown, make sure he knows and understands that you're sick and tired of him, of him attacking sheriffs and trying to remove your authority to pick your sheriffs and elect your own sheriffs. He's suing Sheriff Wagner, and he's literally suing Wagner because he's not following the sanctuary status of your state. You know what your state can't do. It can't make a law that it allows it to violate another law. Yep. And that's what they did with your sanctuary state stuff. You're absolutely right. I just want to echo something you said there. I mean fans of the show. No, I'm I'm a libertarian, so I'm not part of that two party system. But I would never vote for people that are trying to take away our rights to be represented by sheriffs for example. There, I would vote Republican on a lot of these issues. And this time Washington State people, stop this tribalism of the party. Like I always vote D just because I was raised a D. My parents were a D. Like, look look at the policies that are being enacted and vote accordingly. Sheriff. I want to bring up for the NRBTV audience, because we've got about two minutes before we have to say goodbye to them, but I want to bring up your website CSPOA dot org, and I want to give you the time here this next two minutes here to just encourage everybody with this big audience with the National Religious Broadcasters to become a part of your org. Well, thanks, yes, and that first video there, you really need to watch that video. It's only ninety seconds long. Folks. That is a tremendous probably the best one and a half minute speeches I've ever given. It is so powerful. But we offer you a training course on our website. It's forty five dollars off right now, it's a six hour course. The main thing we offer you, though, is on a silver platter giving you an opportunity to become part of a peaceful and effective solution right there, CSPOA. Join. Now, that's for every American to get involved in a solution to what is going on. A peaceful and effective solution. What did Jefferson warn us to do? Huh, stay vigilant. We give you that opportunity on a silver platter, membership in that organization, in the CSPOA. It's our posse is eleven dollars a month, a whopping eleven dollars a month. What is that? Two coffees a month? Donate this back to the Holy Cause of liberty. Join us and we'll make sure that you're part of the solution in working with your sheriff and saving the most vital position and local position that will be this the sanctuary for you. The sheriff is the executor of the law and the keeper of the peace. And if you're working with him making sure that he's getting trained. Yeah, there's the book over there right there. And actually, sure, I got to cut you off here. We hit that hard break here, but we're going to come back. Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to come back. Unless you're an alien or you've been living under a rock for the last few years, you know that the price of doing business everywhere is going up. Bread, milk, eggs. Have you gone to the gas station lately? Look, inflation is increasing and it's hurting you. The only way that you're going to be that you're going to remain secure in your financial dealings is to go with gold and silver. 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And the training that we do nationwide, both for the public and for sheriffs just really comes out of my Supreme Court case and the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. So we want every sheriff to know. Folks, do you know that traffic tickets are actually mostly maybe unconstitutional? Oh? No, that I am. I always liked you, but I may have just fallen in love with you. I'm not sure. And I knew a libertarian would go up. What really, folks, read your Bill of Rights? Number eight When I really started studying the Constitution back when I was a rookie cop. Number eight hit me the hardest because it's really what really woke me up. The epiphany I received when I was writing a lady a ticket and I realized that I wasn't being reasonable or even a good cop. I always thought I was an honest, good cop and then when I'm writing this lady a ticket, and I realized that she ran the stop sign, but I was the one in the wrong, and I totally repented, and I said, I'm not going to do this to people anymore. Because she hurt no one, she threatened no one, but she ran a stop sign. Of course I'm going to write her a ticket. And so it changed my life. And I started studying the Constitution. And when I read Amendment eight, no excessive finds her bail. No, it's so cruel and unusual punishment, And tickets are all for those. They're unusual punishment. They're excessive, and they're too frequent, so excessive in the frequency and excessive in the amount. Do you know that most non moving violations, that's like a violation with your expired plate or expired license, driver license, those are over five hundred dollars in many states and even more than that California. An average moving violation speeding or running a stop sign is over seven hundred dollars in California. And so, folks, I know what excessive means. And that's it. And the traffic writing, the traffic distribution in this country brings in nine billion dollars a year. I know that that's accessive. Now, if there's cops that want to be writing tickets, there must be a legitimate threat made towards another human being or damage done or some sort of harm. But this being out there and pulling the little radar gun all day long and writing where your sergeant and lieutenant are said, you better be out there writing tickets, and you come back with thirty or thirty five, and you're the best police officer there ever was. Why is there any proof that these tickets diminish accidents and reduce accidents? And is there any proof that they're constitutional? Yeah? The great great points. I would love to live in a world where I didn't feel harassed, Like I want to live in a world where if I see a police car, I'm happy about it, like I wait at them, you know, instead. Of oh, oh am I doing anything wrong? Oh what's my And that's the common reaction from your average American citizen is oh, there's a fearful response to police. We shouldn't be operating that way. And a big part of that would be, of course, not allowing them to write tickets for things that don't actually harm people. Absolutely I'm on board with that. Can you talk a little bit about asset forfeiture because we see a lot of this as well. This is something that Americans kind of get a little bit upset about that the police seem to come and grab our private property. You got, you got the second libertarian point that I really adhere to. Look, folks, asset forfeiture is okay with me if it's after the conviction and if they can prove that it came from a criminal episode, okay. But they don't do that. We have officers now, especially in airports and at traffic stop. This happened in Tennessee. Tennessee Highway Patrol stopped the guy and he had They found that he had an ordinary amount of cash and that he was actually taking it to his granddaughter and he was going to give her cash to buy a car for her graduation. They took it from him and he never got it back, even though they could not prove that he had ever committed any type of a crime. And Folks, that happens far too often. These cops have been trained that if you find cash, take it and the person has to come back and show us proof how they got it. What they were going to use it for. And folks in the United States of America, we do not have to prove our innocence. Ever, we keep our mouths shut. I don't have to talk to that cop, and I don't have to tell him a damn thing. You do not have to tell him anything. He has to prove that you committed a crime before he can do what take life, limb, or property from you? As per the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution. And folks, do you guys know, do you know the importance of the Bill of Rights. It's called the Declaration of Rights. England did it all throughout the history of England. They had a list of rights as per the Magna Carta, as per sixteen fifty the Rights of Englishmen. This is where the founding fathers got that idea. They listed a declaration of rights twenty seven nine depend on how you count them on. The Bill of Rights is a declaration of rights that government can not violate. How are we doing on their violations of the Second Amendment. There's over twenty thousand gun control laws in this country, all of which are unconstitutional and unlawful. Folks, Just so you know, the Second Amendment does one thing very clearly. It makes gun control against the law. Period period. Yeah. I mean, that's really what it comes down to. This is why on this show, Sheriff Mac, I say all the time I'm an anti federalist. Without those guys, we never would have had the Bill of Rights, and thank God that we have them. And I push all the time on this show the ninth and tenth Amendments because we really need to dust those off. We really need to understand them. Yeah, I know you did. I want on the tenth Amendment, folks, best tenth Amendment decision in the history of the country. Keep going on. I love what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, we need to dust those off. We need to understand that we the people retain so many of these rights, even rights that aren't spelled out in the Bill of Rights, that we have these, that they're God given that the government can't take those away. And man, I got to tell you, s Sheriff Mac, we've just gotten unfortunately, we've gotten lazy, we've gotten apathetic towards these rights, and we just looked to government as a solution for everything. And if they pass something we don't. Like, that's just the price of democracy, which is another one of the words I hate. It's a true word for it. Go ahead, sir, what democracy? We don't have a democracy. We're not supposed to it. We don't have a democracy. Yeah, well literally we do have one. Now. It's a democratic It's. A democratic dictatorship, is what it is. And that's what they've done with this. See, democracy ultimately allows you to do anything you want in government, and that's what we're seeing, especially from the Democrat Party. But folks, this is Cadb's absolutely correct and beautifully said. Man. But yeah that we the cspo A counter all of this, and we stand in the way. We the doctrine of interposition that we got from Jefferson and Madison. The doctrine of interposition is exactly part of our training. And what you want to do is you want to ask your sheriff if he's ever had our training and then try to get it there. But become a member first, be a member first of our CSPO A. And when you go talk to your sheriff, it is fantastic that you're able to tell him I'm a member of the CSPOA and I want to give you this little booklet and I want you to know that Sheriff Max sued the federal government and won. And here I want you to see this, and then I want to come talk to you about this after you read this, or you could read it together because it only takes ten minutes, or to show him a few parts of this. Highlight it and say look at page five, Look at page eight, Look at page you know, folks, because even on page this is going to blow you eight. There's the booklet right there. Order these like crazy. That's my hand holding it, of course. And this talks about the EPA being ruled unconstitutional in the early nineteen seventies. Because Scalia takes us through a little history lesson here. Absolutely amazing. And do you know the states are not puppets of a ventriloquist Congress right here, it's in the decision. Yeah. And then Scalia does this. He quotes another justice and he says this, but the Constitution protects us from our own best intentions, and it protects us from the quote, get this the crisis of the day. Boy, They're good at that. The crisis that they cause. And then bring to you a silver platter, the solution that comes with complete tyranny and the excoriation of our constitution. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. I mean this is this is like the number one tool that any tyrannical dystopian government uses, crisis solution. They love. It can be an organic crisis, sure, those happen, but more often than not, it's one that they made, that's one that they organized, and then they bring in the solution. The solution is always a loss of liberty. Every time, and another one's coming. I guarantee it. You don't have to be a prophet to know that. Yes, absolutely, last question for you before we close up here, and I've so enjoyed the time, but just for you know, we're a national show. And so for the person who's listening to this and says, I want to become a member of cspo A and I want to bring this to the sheriff's department, can you just give like a little teaser of kind of what that that class, that education would look like. Well, yeah, we start off with a quote from some other Well, we show we show them a video of a sheriff deputy in the Albany Airport, uh correct, standing for a couple of protesters and they were very peaceful. They're just handing out flyers, and they tried to throw them out of the airport and tried to get them arrested, and the deputy stepped in and said, no, they're not doing anything wrong, leave them alone. That is amazing video. And then we go into a quote from Martin Luther King while he was in the Birmingham County jail, he came out and wrote a letter to everyone saying, we all have a moral obligation to obey just laws. Conversely, he said, we all have a moral and lawful responsibility, moral and legal responsibility to disobey unjust laws. And folks, then I go right into saying, and there's not a peace officer or sheriff, or cop or chief of police anywhere in this country that has any sort of obligation to go along with legislatures who pass quote laws when they're wrong. When those laws are wrong and unjust, we do not enforce them. That's the teaser. You'll have it, and we'll prove that to every sheriff and every citizen in this country. Well, that is absolutely incredible, and I would encourage everybody who's listening to the show to number one become a member of cspo A. But then also to take this to your sheriff, take it to your police chief, whoever it is, because we need our Really, it's to protect and serve, right, I really don't even like law enforcement the name, but we need our peace officers. I suppose that's the best word to use to understand exactly what Sheriff Mac is talking about. Well, it looks like I'm frozen. Did I freeze? Nope? You're good? Nope? Can you can you, Sheriff Mat, can you hear me? Okay? Here I am here, we go, Okay, okay, still good, but yes, thank you, Because folks, you can become a part of solution, or you can just sit and watch these great shows like this and do nothing. We do nothing, we lose. You're right, we do something. We have a chance to win. God has a promised us victory. He's only promised us that we need to do our duty. When we do our duty, he will hear from heaven and heal our hearts and heal our country. That's what we're after. I couldn't have said it better myself, right there, So, Sheriff Mac, it's been an absolute pleasure I'm going to bring up the website one more time just because I like to be redundant. But cspoa, ladies and gentlemen, please get on here join do something right on this show. We pride ourselves some being solution oriented and this is a great solution. And oh, by the way, this solution, it doesn't come with government strings attached to it, so it's organic. It's from the people. This is what we need. Sheriff mac Any last words for the audience. Well, it's been a pleasure to meet with you today, and I want to leave everybody with one sentence, the last sentence of the Declaration of Independence. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. We must do likewise today. Amen to that. I literally get chills every single time I hear that last sentence of the declaration. Is absolutely beautiful, and our founding fathers pledged that, and many of them lost their lives, many of them lost their fortunes, but not a single one of them lost their sacred honor. We need to live like that sir. That's right. All right, Well, I'm gonna go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post production to say oah, goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But thank you for your time, thank you for your service, thank you for all you're doing for this country. All right, there you go, thank you, absolutely, there you go. Ladies and gentlemen, Sheriff Mac and Cspoa. I want you all to become a member, and I want this education, this training to be brought to every single county in these United States because this is the solution. Church and State is brought to you in part by Colonial Life, Spokane, Independent Agents, Finders Insurance, and Mark three seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to five. Hey, this is Caleb Callier with the Church and State podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to go to Galileo dot com. You need to stay connected no matter what comes our way, whether it's government intrusion or a meteor fallen. From the sky. Galileo has you connected. 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