Church & State -Shawn Needham, Make Medical Freedom a Right, not a Privilege

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Sean, it is a pleasure to have you on Church and State again. Well, thank you so much for having me on, Caleb. It is definitely honor and a privilege. So I appreciate what you speak for, and I appreciate that you, you know, tell the truth and you tell it in the name of Jesus Christ, and that that that is super super important. So and by the way, I just want to say that you don't have to be an ordained pastor to minister to people and of course you know that, so thank you for ministering. Well, thank you, sir, I appreciate that so much. Before we get into the medical freedom, I do want to plug your your Moses Lake Pharmacy because you can you can actually do this around the country if you're looking for a pharmacist that you can actually trust. And let's just dive into that a little bit, Sean, because a lot of people when they think of a pharmacist, they think somebody who's just going to push whatever drug there is. That's not how you approach pharmacy. No, not even maybe. And I really want to add to that that it's all of my wife, my wonderful wife, Janet, she's a pharmacist also, and we are two pharmacists that don't believe in drugs to treat long term disease. We founded Moses Lake Professional Pharmacy in nineteen ninety eight and our journey has just let us down a path where you know, when we were first in pharmacy and even in our practice in Moses Lake, we just noticed our patients weren't getting any better. They were adding more drug therapy, they were getting sicker, there were side effects. So let's just not dummy down when we call them side effects that that's really a toxicity. Let's call them toxicities, because drugs are poisoned. And we realized that most of these diseases are lifestyle related, you know, whether it be high blood pressure, whether it be Type two diabetes, whether it be reflux. We notice that most of these are diet related. We don't have a drug deficiency for high cholesterol. We don't have a drug deficiency for our reflux disease. It's probably our diet, you know, and our lack of sleep and lack of activity, but most diet when it comes to overall diseases. And we actually, my wife and I we have a podcast called Health Solutions with Sean and Janet Needham, and our goal is to educate and empower individuals to take charge of their own health, and largely that's without drug therapy. I'm actually in the process of writing a new book. You've been great about helping promote my other books, Sickened of the Government Ruined Healthcare and How to Fix It. I'm in the process of writing a book now called Lies I Learned in Pharmacy School and How to Escape the grasp of Big pharma like that. I'm super excited. Yeah, Janet writes the first chapter, and she also writes a chapter on offstia process because that's a big passion for her. So I'm super excited. We're looking for the launch of the book in December of this year if. All goes well. You know, Sean, what you're talking about is freedom and personal responsibility, and that's unfortunately the lie, the big lie that has been sold here is people have become lazy. If we're just calling a spade a spade, people have become lazy and they become lazy about their health. They have believed that. The foods that they consume that no one would intentionally put in toxins or poisons into that. And yet when you go grocery shopping and maybe you turn that box around look at the label, Well, those in the know are horrified, were shocked, like why would you put that in food? You go to the European markets and you can look at. The same style or types of foods and say, wow, this is a lot better for you. Right, but we're consuming this. We believe that microwave meals are the way to go, that you can go to the gas station and pick up some snacks for your road trip and be just fine and then don't worry about it. There's a pill for that. You know, you're obese, you know, I mean, obviously everybody's talking about with GOVI and these things that literally are eating people's bones away. But that's the solution is drugs. It's not hey, a little bit of hard right now for a much better life in the future. Yeah, And that's just we you know, I blame you know, ultimately people are should be in charge your own health, but I blame the medical system for for just you know, a pill for every ill. Our good friend Robbie raw which you interviewed last year in Medical Freedom Northwest. She she coined that term a pill for every ill, And you know that's reality when reality is that, you know, healthcare professionals should be talking to people about why are they sick? Why do you have disease? And not not, Hey. Here's a new magic pill that you know your insurance company will cover to fix your disease that you caused by eating bad. But let's realize the system is rigged. You know, insurance companies collude with drug companies to create what the system calls standards of care, and like my wife says, standards of care don't mean quality care. And the standards are always what is the standard. You have XYZ disease, you get x y Z drug. You have another disease, you get x y Z drug. That's the standard of care. Why because that's how they make money. They don't make money by saying, hey, well you know what, if you ain't real food and not all this processed garbage, you probably wouldn't have these diseases. No, you're absolutely right. And then we have the issue of the body positivity. And I'm sorry. I know sometimes I offend people, but you know, sometimes the truth hurts. There's been this big move of like accepting like if you're obese, oh you're beautiful, don't worry about it. I'm sorry. The much nicer thing to say to somebody is, hey, your lifestyle is going to lead to a painful and short life, all right, And yes you're a beautiful person that was made in God's own image, but we got to take some of this weight off. That's a loving action. Absolutely, we say it on our podcast, and believe me, we have gotten beat up for fat shaming and it's like you know what, I'm. Not fat shaming. I'm calling it out and I do it out of love because here's the reality. Cardiovaster disease is the biggest killer of Americans. Okay, over eight hundred thousand Americans die every year from cardiovaster disease, which is largely preventable. The biggest risk factor for cardiovaster disease is being overweight. So when I tell people that, you know, being overweight is dangerous, I'm not fat shaming. I'm saying it out of love. And when you think my wife gives a great analogy of this, it's like, you know, if you take your dog into a veterinarian, you don't have to. Take any labs. You don't have to you don't have to any fancy imaging right away that that can say, hey, wait a minute, what do you feed your dog? He looks overweight? But no, not with people. We can't do that. Not only have. We embraced obesity, we celebrated a few years ago there was on the cover of Sports Illustrated there was a guy I can't remember her name. She was obese. Was she beautiful? Absolutely? Like you say, she's made in God' Jimmy, She was beautiful. That's not the question. He was obese. And I did a post on social media and I got beat up for fat shaming. Somebody said, well, I said, is this healthy or not? And somebody says, you can't tell somebody's help by looking at him. Seriously, they said, you don't know their labs, you don't know, you know, you don't know what her labs are, and all that kind of stuff. Again with the veterinarian analogy, you don't need to You can see vetinarians do it all the time, and not even if it animal's overweight. You can look at an animal and say it's like they're not right, they're sick. You can do the same thing with humans. I say, this often the best test for overall health, and you know it's not some fancy lab, it's not some fancy dexa scan or some kind of imaging. The best test for our health the mirror test. Do you look good in the mirror? That's really that's really the reality. And yes, we should love our bodies, but that's also why we should treat our bodies well. Our bodies are a temple given to us by God. We're supposed to treat them. Like that those. Are just facts. You're absolutely right. I love this because it's it just flies in the face of logic. Sean. Let me ask you a question. You see somebody obese, you know they have a lot of like cellulite on their skin. Just by observation, just by looking at that person, you can say that person's not in the peak health. Right If if you're looking at someone as Sean as a pharmacist and their skin's kind of yellowed, do we see a problem? Is there a medical condition? I know I'm asking leading questions here, but is there a medical condition for having yellowish skin? Open? Well, yeah, we got back. It's you know, yeah, it's you know, you probably have some kind of liver dysfunction, so your skin if you can't, if you can't metabolize bile, it turns in your skin, It turns your skin yellow because you can't your liver can't eliminate it. So yes, again the mirror test. You can tell somebody that's healthy bye bye by looking at them largely. You don't need you don't need some fancy laps. Yeah, it's just it's just idiotic, honestly in my mind to say you can't like that statement that you just said. There, you you can't tell if someone's healthy just by looking at them, and a lot of cases, yes you can, all right, And yes, science has developed different tests that we can look internally and decipher whether or not somebody has heart problems or or you know, even high cholesterol. I'm I'm a little bit wary of that one because actually that might not be as bad as we've been told. And actually, feel free to jump in here on that one. Yeah, so I had high cholesterol because and I didn't elaborate on it. I said that because people usually associate that with cardiovascar disease. But actually, the statins were the first class of drugs that my wife and I questioned. The statins are drugs like lipitore, zocore medicore, and they're they're to lower cholesterol, and they do a great job at lowering cholesterol. But here's the thing. Statins medicore lovastatin was came out in nineteen eighty seven, and forty plus years later, forty years later, cardiovascuer disease and an all time high, and statins are ubiquitous. They're not working. That's the first and foremost. And I write about this in my book. Actually, chapter two in my book is on you know, the myth of cholesterol. So we're told that cholesterol is bad and that's with killness and giving us heart attacks. Okay, let's think about this. Cholesterols in every cell of the body. Eighty percent of the cluster made up in our body, Caleb, eighty percent of it is made up in our body in the liver. Of cholesterol, only twenty percent comes from a diet. So you're telling me God made us wrong. That you're tell me. Okay, our brain is full of cholesterol. Breast milk is full of cholesterol. So is breast milk designed wrong? The yolk of a chicken egg is full of cholesterol. We know that. Why is the yolk there to sustain a baby chicken? Yet we're gonna call it bad. It makes no sense whatsoever. I do not think cardiovac I do not think cardiovascuer disease and cholesterol have a link whatsoever. Now that being said. I will say that there are some lipids that are proxy markers for overall cardiobastterro disease health. And that's your triglys rides and your h steel, your good cholesterol and those should be in a ratio of two to one or less, so tragulist right and higher HTL, higher good cholesterol. But really all that is is a. Sign of metabolic health because it basically shows you how metabolically health you are and how sensitive you are to insulin. And insulin resistance is what's caused the most problems of pretty. Much all diseases. You know, eating too high a carbohydrate diet, our bodies respond with a bunch of insulin and it's very inflammatory and it causes cardiovascuar disease. And then you get type your diabetes when you're not resist, when you're resistant to the insulin. And the answer is not give more insulin, which is what we do. That's like putting gasoline on a house fire. The answer is if you have a you know, diabetes, melitis is a carbohydrate metabolism problem. By definition, diabetes melitis literally means honey, siphon. Diabetes means honey, melitas means I'm sorry. Diabetes means siphon. Melitas means honey. You're literally urinating out sugar. The best way to not urine out sugar is you don't lack a drug don't eat carbohydrates. That's it. But how much money does big Farma get when you don't eat carbohydrates? Zero? Yeah, I mean those are just yeah. And that's why we are having Medical Freedom Northwest to talk about these things. And you know, Medical Freedom Northwest is May first and May second in Spokane, your hometown. And you know, we have a group of great speakers. Doctor Mary Tally Boden, she was the first one to ever be censored when she opposed vaccine mandates for the COVID vaccine. She also, you know, started using ivermectin. She was you know, thrown under the bus for that. She actually sued the FDA in one She's in the process of fighting for her medical license now and with the State Medical Board of Texas, and I mean they look they they basically, in so many words, reprimanded her for prescribing ivermectin, and now Ivermectin's over the counter in Texas, and they refuse because of their pride, they refuse to back off. But Kelly Victory is talking. Doctor Ryan Cole from the Boise area is talking. Shelley Candellera will be talking. She's a nurse and saved a lot of people during COVID, including her husband. It's a great story. Who I'm missing Kelly Victory, Mary Bowden. We're not a moon, doctor Renoda Moon. Yes, we're not a moon. You don't want to miss her. She's a pediatrician and she's going to be talking about transgender surgeries in children and some other issues too. You don't you don't want to miss them. All the speakers are just top notch. You know, there was a welcome reception Friday golf eventobas into golfing, please sign up. We have a golf event sponsored by Moses like professional Pharmacy, and then welcome receptions Friday on the first, and then the conference is a full day on Saturday, and there's a VIP event after Saturday. Wow, it's an incredible event. Chris, do you want to be my caddie for that? And I can hook and slice all over the place. You'll be running around looking for balls. It'll be great. There's a car right, I don't know. I just render it out there, but no, I love this event. As we were talking about it, I was there last year. Incredible lineup of speakers. A few of them are returning actually, like Kelly Victory, who is just an incredible woman. Her talk was just absolutely astounding. Mary Tally Bowden, who I love. We've interviewed both of them on this show before, and you're right, all of these people have faced massive persecution for literally just trying to help their patients, for asking the questions is there a better treatment for this? When we're looking at COVID nineteen for example, was there a better treatment than this vaccine? It wasn't even really a vaccine, it's it's mRNA tech. You know, can we treat that with with ibermectin? And Mary Tally Boden was literally raked over the coals with that doctor Nada Moon lost her job. I mean they made her name mud over the fact that she was standing up against medical tyranny. And this is an important issue, Sean, like, we cannot let this thing go. We have to continue this fight for medical freedom. I agree, you know, because things have calmed down from COVID. You know, when when people are being locked down and they were vaccine mandates and mask mandates and all that. You know, it was a hot topic. But we need to keep it out front because it will come up again. I mean one of the ways that when you look at history. One of the ways that governments have controlled people is through medicine, through healthcare. And it's going to come up again. There's going to be some scare you know. I think they've tried it a few times before and it was too early for people to buy into it. But you know, with they've done it with burd Blue. You know, they killed a bunch of birds a few years last year or something, and then you know, and people didn't people didn't freak out like they did before. I mean, we need to realize that, here's the reality. We do not need the government to tell us when there is a pandemic going around. Our brain is designed very well to protect ourselves, designed by God, and it's instinctual. If there's something really dangerous going around, we don't need to be told by the government. We'll know it. It's kind of like, oh, look there's a tornado over there, I better stay away. We don't need the government to tell us that that tornado is dangerous. It's the same thing with bacteria and viruses. And here's a reality. There is no even though coronavirus, even though the COVID virus might have been a novel coronavirus, It's still a coronavirus. There is no new species of virus or bacteria that is new to the earth that our bodies have not been fighting for thousands of years. Smallpox, polio, coronavirus, whatever. None of those things wiped out humanity before vaccines, none of them. I write about this in my book. So we don't need vaccines to save us. We need this strong, healthy immune system just like God gave us. And I will say this ending on this subject, plumbers have saved more lives and vaccines and doctors period. Modern day sanitation with you know, running water and sewer systems and stuff has saved more lives than anything. Than anything. When you look at. Undeveloped countries, what kills them Giardi and cholera largely. We need even to hear about that in the United States. Why because we have a clean water supply and undeveloped countries don't have a clean water, drinking contaminated water and they get sit and get a diarrhea. If I say, they're young and die, so plumbers they could plumber today. Yeah, absolutely, and that is very well documented. I mean you can look at polio, a lot of people like polio is kind of the gold standard as far as vaccines are concerned, right, Like everybody loves to throw out polio, we cured it. The reality is is no, you can actually look at it and see, right, when polio started to die off is when we started to get actual clean drinking water in the United States. There was a big push for that. That the sewers and sanitation, that's what actually saved people. But hey, it fits quite a little nice little narrative for us to say it's the vaccine, doesn't it. Yeah. And I gotta tell you though, now that we're on the subject, I just you know, and I got a whole chapter of this and lies I learned in pharmacy school dedicated to vaccines. So I gotta tell you, you know, because of the way I was in doctrinated in pharmaca school, I was with you. It's like, well, what about polio? Though, Okay, I get it, this COVID vaccine, all right, it doesn't make sense, But polio, man, it saved lives. My grandma told us both. My grandma said, oh, get this, Kaleb. My grandma would say, my grandma, you know, so polio in the early nineteen fifties. That's when my parents were young kids. Oh yeah, Sean, it was bad. So what do we do? We kept our kids locked up inside because we didn't want them to get polio. And then it was so great because then a couple of years later we had a vaccine to save them locked up, and then a vaccine to save them seventy years later. The playbook's the same, Big Farmer's playbook is really really small, and they do it again. So then, so think about polio? Was how long is it? And then you asked the rational question, asked this to any I don't care if they're an epidem miologist, don't care if they're infectious disease specialist. Asked them this, how long has polio been around on the earth? And if they don't say thousands of years, that they are lying. I mean they're lying or they're completely ignorant. I think they'd be lying. Did polio wipe out humanity and cause everybody crippled before the vaccine? No, here's another thing too. Do you remember during COVID when anybody that had a respiratory disease got the diagnose of COVID before they could rule it out. Oh yeah, and some right, do you know that most all neurological diseases in the nineteen fifties was from polio? There we are, there's a playbook now, and I got I gotta say this as as we've finished this part up. Then people usually ask because then I questioned. The last one I questioned was smallpox. Well, you know, small pox would have wiped this out. You know, we eradicate smallpox with the with the vaccine, and it's like, you know, anybody before nineteen sixty sixty eight or before had a vaccine. I did not get the pulp smallpox vaccine because I was in nineteen seventy. My older brother did so. But then you and you think about, well, what in Sean the Revolutionary War, I mean, smallpox was wiping people out. Yeah, you're right, it was who did it wipe out? Did it kill the officers? Did any of the officers die from? No, it killed the soldiers. Why the soldiers are sleeping in poor conditions in horse crap and cow crap in the barns, with in straw, with the with the animals, and they have poor nutrition. They don't have as much food, they don't have as much water. The officers are in cabins, they get better water, they get better food, and the officers didn't get sick. Imagine that. Elitism even back then. Now, you're absolutely right. I love the fact that you're talking about the playbooks because if we take like a football analogy, and we were facing a team, right and their playbook was as small as what these guys use, what you know, the medical established medical community used, they'd be the worst team in the league. Like it would be like they got like three plays. Guys, we know what they're gonna do, right, so it'd be so simple. But you can literally watch them game this every single year. I've made fun of this so many times on the show, like it's the zekra virus, it's the swine flu, it's the bird flu, it's coronavirus. Like every single year, there's something, wait for it, ladies and gentlemen, there's something and run away be afraid, right because this virus it could potentially kill us all that's their game. And if we stop living in that that fear mentality, we can quickly identify and take the bright steps and Sean before we got about two minutes left before I have a hard break, but I want to go back to the event because I want to make sure that the larger audience with the NRBTV network is able to attend this event if they're able to. So the Medical Free Freedom Summit four point zero May first and second of this year. It's at the Centennial Hotel, Spokane, Washington. You can literally go to the website which is uh M l r X dot com and buy your tickets right now and Sean, you also have a special deal right for the for some people if they if they're interested. Oh, yes, we do. So we have a sponsor that is sponsoring individuals if they're interested. So if you are interested, get a hold of us, and we're trying to fill up the room. So this sponsor is very it has very is very passionate about medical freedom and wants to sponsor people to get into the conference. So if you're free on May first, May second, you know, please let us know and we can get get you sponsored. Yeah, this is an opportunity ladies and gentlemen, and these these are you know, limited spots. So if you're interested in this, I would tell you jump on it right away. But to hear from some of the greatest experts in the medical freedom field, people that have have had a lifetime of helping individuals out and will I will say this as well, Sean and proud. So I have to come back and talk about this after the break. But there's some grifters. There's grifters in every single movement, all right, and there are some grifters in the medical freedom movement as well. But the people that are part of this event. There's none of that going on here, Ladies and gentlemen. You can literally look at them what they've been doing over the years, the persecution that they've faced, and see that, yes, these people have it all on the line. Now, Sean, we've had that hard break, but we'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen. I highly encourage you to come back. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State Dot Media. This is gentlemen. If you're not sleeping on my pillow, do you even patriots? I gotta tell you, this is the most. Wonderful stuff from a man who's given it all for your freedoms. Whether it be the pillow, the sheets, or the slippers. I absolutely adore my pillow. My pillow has the greatest products around. I know when I want to shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers and yell at the neighbors. Of course, I'm buying from my pillow. 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Well, you know, I will tell you sometimes it's so you know, especially when you were in the middle of COVID, I was so vigilant and skeptical of anybody that today that that was up there, because you wonder if they're being inputs what for controlled opposition? And yeah, there's some out there. In fact, you know, I'm going to say this, and Kelly Victory is very passionate about this subject, and she'll be speaking at at Medical Freedom Northwest. Is you know the the I'm very skeptical of the surgeon general nomination right now, which is Casey Means, and you know her and her their Cali Means and Casey Means kind of came out of nowhere a few years ago. Next thing, you know, they're on Tucker and I think they're on Jill Rogan too, maybe or something. And then they're just got these huge names behind them, and you know, they've they've got venture capitalists that are funding them with their supplement companies and stuff. And I'm very very leery of them, you know. And yeah, there's just there's just a lot of them out there that we need to be very leary of. And I know that. You know, one of the things that you can say about doctor Boden is she's she's gotten hurt so much financially and reputation wise. Now people that really know her know that, you know, they know the truth. It's like she's a good doctor's great doctor and a great person that you you know, what what did COVID cost them? What did COVID cost them? When they stood up? So when Cali Means and Casey Means did they stand up during COVID? Did they ever talk? Did they ever talk about informed consent? And that you can you know, if you don't want to get a vaccine. You do, you don't have to. They never really address that subject. Those you know, if you like you and I, Caleb, you know, we believe in liberty, and we believe in individual liberty. Liberty is a when when we talk about liberty, it's it's an individual right. Liberty is an individual right. So I don't look at it as just myself. I look at somebody else. If somebody else is is being if their individual liberty is being taken away without due process, that concerns me because guess what. I could be next. Even if they don't agree with me. I don't care what side of the aisle they're on, but they don't agree with me. I don't want their individual liberty taken without due process because I could be next. And so you have to understand what were the costs what to find grifters? What cost did they pay? You know, during COVID, did they stand up against you know, mandated vaccines? Because if they didn't, or if they didn't specifically say it, that probably means they have no opinion about it. Possibly, if they have no opinion about it, then I would say they might be a griptor. I think that's a sound advice. I had to tell you sean personal story. I was at sea pack and I forget his name off the top of my head, but he's the new leader for Health and Human Services, right and he was one of the speakers there, and he was talking about how we need to open up big pharma and big med to the public private partnerships, that we need to start exploring new medications or sorry, old medications and old vaccines as far as treatments for diseases that we're currently experiencing or illnesses that we're experiencing. Hey, give an example, he says, I took the shingles vaccine. Now, I halfway expected some booze from the audience. There nothing, nothing, And we'll come back that because what I want to really hit this hord about how we can't let this this issue die. But he said they're they're experimenting right now in using a shingles vaccine to treat blood borne cancers like multiple myloma. And the audience was cheering this on, and I'm like, am I the only one wearing sunglasses here? Because I can see the truth. It's driving me nuts? Here? Is it? Doctor Oz with the Department of Health. You know, it's it's the other one. He's got the I think he's in there. We go, yes, okay, Jay Boitari, I couldn't remember which we Yeah. Yeah, I met doctor j Bodichari and he was the first one that kind of signed off on the on the Great was it the Great Barrier Declaration where they talked about informed consents and stuff, and that's what got him popular. I think he teaches how to Stanford Medical School. But again, you know they're working in the government. Whether I met doctor Bardachari, I met uh Marty mccairy from the FDA. You know, even Bobby Kennedy, I haven't met him really close. I met his wife. I've met Bobby Kennedy before. Yeah, And it's like I have questions. Exactly as we should. I mean, you know, Bobby Kennedy used to be a leftist Democrat and and you know he promoted a lot of those leftist policies, which one of them he promoted was universal healthcare. And you know, since he's gotten into the Trump administration, I haven't heard him talk about that necessarily, but you know, I mean, where where does he stand on that? But so with this whole vaccine, and you know, look at the there is and I know, you know, and I'm going to I'm gonna you know, drugs have become so political. I remectin included. So you know, there's a lot of people that on your mind side that you know, promote ironmectin and they will promote it as the cure all for everything, you know, not just COVID, but can and all these other diseases. And I'll get questions, Jen, I get questions often about this, What are your thought about iybromectin. Well, we're going to default to what we normally say about any drug. So you know, for for you know, for chronic illness, you know, do the big things leap right, eat right, and move right? Those are those are the realities. There's no magic drug out there, including ibromactin. Now, I'm not saying that I can't triat covid. You know, there's a lot of reports that ibermectin helps save a lot of lives during COVID and acute infection. I just don't think we need drugs that are formed or our body long term. You know, do we need to take ibromectin you know, daily as a as a prevention to get COVID. My thoughts, No, I mean, if you have a healthy immune system, that's why God created our immune system, you know. So yeah, and then you start thinking about cancer. And I will say this, like most of all diseases we already talked about early on with BC and cardiovaster disease, I think cancer is largely a metabolic disease. You know, we are we are hit with. Carcin engens constantly, cancer causing stuff constantly, and our immune system again it helps to prevent those curse engines from turning into from mutating ourselves into cancer selfs. Essentially, the answer is not some magic drug. Necessarily, the answer is you know, leap right, eat right, move right. I mean, it's really that simple. Now. I'm not saying that there's not some place for certain cancer, you know, cancer treatments. Now I would you know, as a pharmacist, I would never ever recommend chemotherapy or radiation. Yep, that's what kills people. Those are just facts. Could be could be layatroll sean, Well, we don't talk about leatrol. No be seventeens, we don't talk about that here. We'll get banned. This isn't on YouTube. No, I got banned off of YouTube. I wouldn't. I wouldn't stop talking about the vaccines. But yeah, I mean there is. I mean you look at. Something like when you're when you're dealing with cancer and an apricunt seed can help you. But but don't talk about that because the government will literally throw you in jail. That's what That's what happened to the guy who actually pioneered it. So yeah, we don't talk about that, right And by the way, Chris, I think I think my favorite pharmacist just told me to stop using nicotine and methylene blue. But we're not going to talk about that either. We're going to cut that off right there. Well, yeah, you heard me right, No magic. Drug, No I do. I completely agree with you, and you are right, eat well sleep well. Uh, you know, water, I guess water would probably be the magic drug right out there. If we're going to point to one magic thing out there, it's it's good clean water. Well, you know, seventy percent of the earth is made up of water, no coincidence, it's our body is made up of water. Do you think our creator, our designer are wonderful God? Do you think he made water important. Yeah, probably, yeah, I would assume. So here, so let's go back. I want to make sure that we're plugging this properly because I really want standing room only at this event. I cannot stress the importance enough of medical freedom, Lacey and gentlemen, because as Sean has said, it's coming back, like there will be another crisis, some type of pandemic that's going to come upon us. And you know, I'm not a prophet. I say it all the time because I don't believe in modern day profits. But you can look at the trends and you can see that what they were able to accomplish Sean through COVID, like it was a tyrant's dream, what they were able to accomplish during COVID. You think they're going to let that go. No, they took note. And they're like, we're going to do this again. What's say you, sir? Well, of course, I mean, when is the last time, Caleb, that the government took over power of something and they relinquish that power. Never doesn't happen, never. Unless they're the revolution, and usually a violent revolution is what it takes. And I think when you when you say tyrant, I mean, I gotta tell you, I get a little bit. Of a PTA PTSD. You know, you live in Washington State, like I did you remember every what was it every two weeks, every second Friday or something, there'd be a meaning if they're going to open up the open up the the arethtate again. And you know, I mean you know you're sitting there like like a salvating dog ready to eat, thinking, oh man, okay, here we go. We're gonna be free again. I mean just and we were literally slaves, and we should have never let it happen. We should have you know, it's our fault for letting it happen. We should have never complied. And you know then I think even higher up, I mean, look at what you know, Look at what you know? Fauci did, I mean talk about a tyrant. And I literally I can see these these guys and girls in a room thinking about you know, literally saying, yeah, what. Are we going to do to them this week? Ay? You know what, one mask is not enough? You got a double mask. I mean, think about how silly that is. And we bought it. Now, I'm not saying you and I did, but we let it happen. And I mean there were doctors. There were doctors, some of the smartest people in the world, the most edging people in the world, after they were the worst. You know that that bought into it, and they bought in the social distancing. Well wait a minute, doctor, So you got to wear the mask in the restaurant while you're walking through the restaurant, but when you sit down, you can take it off because the virus stops. There and plexiglass. Plexiglass stops at all. Oh oh, not even that state lines, that's state line. It's not the state lines. That was open washing. It was closed. The virus knew it. And it gets even worse. When I was in Oregon and I got kicked out of a of a restaurant in Eugene, Oregon, I knew that Springfield had a little bit different politics. So I drove five miles down the road to Springfield, Oregon, open like like Noay's business because it knew the city borders. Of course, yet we bought that stuff. And when you look back, if you look back enough into the Spanish flu polio, it's all routed the same, and you know, it's no coincidence that. This goes down in the weeds a little bit. But you'll appreciate this because you'll know about it. You know, Spanish flu happened right after the Federal Reserve was created. So when you look at all this stuff and how much money was printed during COVID, was it seven trillion dollars or something? Yeah, it was some astronomical number like that. Yeah, I mean, so the Federal Reserve is just you know, they're they're they're just loving it, and that's that's part of the problem. But yeah, we we can't let this go. If you look at Chris, if you look at that website, on our Mosay Professional Pharmacy website, in the top right hand corner, there's a tab the three little tabs, and that's where the registration is. The bottom one the twenty twenty sixth event. That's where the registration is. It takes you to event bright link and that's where you can register. Also, you know, get a hold of us at MOSES like Professional Pharmacy if you want to, if you want to be sponsored, reach out to us. You can reach out to us on our website. There there's a there's a contact at emil rx dot com and we will get back to you. About about sponsoring and sponsoring you and we'll talk to our sponsor about that. We want to fill the room up because our goal is to educate as many people as possible. And you guys can go out and tell tell the world because yeah, there's a contact page email us, and. We really we just want to. We want to. We want to fill the room up, like you say, Caleb, and we thank you for being our media sponsor. You know you're there sharing this information. You're there interviewing people, and so we can keep this going because we need to keep it out there because it is going to happen again. I guarantee it. The government is gonna is going to do it again if we let it happen. Hopefully, if we keep speaking about medical freedom and having conferences like this and filling the room up and spreading the good word, it will not happen again because we won't let it. No. That is so important right there. And another element that I want to bring into this conversation real quick is finding your tribe, ladies and gentlemen, And this is an important factor. Look, you want to be at events where you can meet like minded individuals. You want to start building your networks now before another crisis emerges. And so let's just look at this event. For example, doctor Renauda Moon is a local. So you need a doctor that's not going to push the next vaccine upon you. Hey, maybe she's one that you want to have a connection with. You need a good pharmacist, one that's going to tell you, hey, maybe eat, write an exercise. Maybe I don't give you a pill for that. Hey maybe Shaan's your guy. Right, So get in here, find your networks, find friends that you can rely on, build that tribe before it's too late. And I will say one thing, Caleb, is that that's what happened during COVID. There were a lot of networks that were built. I know, people were putting my lives and it was no coincidence. It was by God's design that would have never been put in my life otherwise. And another good thing about COVID is it exposed the system. So Jen and I have been preaching about how evil the system is for a long time, and just to you know, to back up on that, it's like, you know, what if you have a heart attack or you have a car wreck or something, our system is good at taking care of you and it's like, you know, saved my life, but for chronic diseases, which over eighty percent of all all healthcare visits are for chronic diseases that are largely preventable. Okay, And we've been talking about how evil the system is for decades and we were called crazy. And that's one of the reasons that mostly professional pharmacy. We stopped building insurance in two thousand and two, so you know, almost twenty five years ago, we stopped building insurance because we realize insurance was part of the problem. When you look at what health insurance does. They get in between an individual and a healthcare provider's individual relationship, that personal relationship, there's a third party involved in that. That shouldn't happen. What happens when there's a third party involved, prices go up, quality goes down, service goes down. I like you believe in free markets, and free markets work when there's two people with a transactional relationship and it's mutually transactional, without mandates, without coercion, and they make a mutual transaction. That's how free markets work. We don't need to be if something is mandated by the government, that's a red flag because as humans, we are giving instincts by God that we know what's good force or bad. Worst. Now, some of us don't follow that. Many of us don't. I mean none of us do all the time, but that instinct help protect us. So if the government has to mandate anything, whether be stay home, whyther be wearing a mask, whether it be gin a vaccine, that's a huge red flag. Oh, I mean you are you are preaching to the choir here. My libertarian heart just grew three sizes too large. Like maybe it's because I'm wearing green. I didn't even think about that, but yeah, I'm with you. Anytime the government mandates anything, it should pause your mind. Ladies and gentlemen, they say, why why do we need this mandated from the government. Why do we need a big daddy system to tell us what is right and wrong? Because, as Sean just pointed out, our creator, you know, he kind of put that into us as were formed. He kind of said, I'm going to give you this. You know your heart is going to know good versus evil. Sean, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on. I want to plug the website one more time. M l RX dot com where you can actually go. Just as Chris showed you the three little dots there you can see the medical read them Northwest twenty twenty six event. Remember it is May first and May second, and you can purchase your tickets right there, and please contact Sean about getting sponsored, because we do want to fill this room. And Sean I will give you any last words for the audience. Well, you know, the last words are basically what it says on medical freedom is a right, not a privilege. That's our model here. It is a right. It's an individual right, no different than our right to defend ourselves, No different than a right to freedom of speech. Those are you know, no different than a right to private property. And our medical freedom is part of our bodies. It's part of our private property. So it is a right. It's not a privilege. Don't let the government tell you any different. Come sign up for Medical Freedom Northwest and be around, like Caleb says, like minded people where you can we can talk about these things openly without being persecuted. It's a wonderful reviving of our. Minds and you get you'll learn a lot too, because the speakers are top notch, and you know, lots of room for breaks too, and networking. You don't want to miss out on that. That's probably the most important part. So sign up contacts if you want to be sponsored and let us know. Yeah, and you might even get a surprise guest. I mean last year John Stockton just showed up, you know, and we got to all talk with him. So you never know who's going to be at this event. Well, Shawn, once again, I love what you're doing. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the bold stances that you've taken. You've actually put yourself on the line and even prior to COVID, just what your work has been addressing the situations the medical concerns of the people that come to you without a pill for every ill. So I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on, Warman, we're in it post production of Saarahobyes, I appreciate it. But again, thanks for your time here on Church and State. 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