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But you got quite the following, and you are pushing back against this really nineteen eighty four surveillance state. Well, among other things. Yeah, but I mostly make video essays that are very deeply researched into privacy, authoritarianism, corporate power. I've talked a lot about many of the big deech companies monopolizing the markets and abusing their market position and to do all these kinds of incentification things like you know, abusing our data and throwing all these algorithms at us that are outraging us, manipulating our behaviors, et cetera. I've also talked a lot about geopolitics. I've had some pretty good background in there too, and I've used my official or formal training in research to make myself kind of like a specialist in privacy. But for me, that's mostly a tool to be just an anti authoritarian for the most part, and that's what people will probably find as the most resonating message across all my videos. Well, I absolutely love that. I think we all need to band together, and you know, I would say throughout the world, but we'll just focus on America right now. We have to push back against this authoritarian regime. And that's the problem with so many of the sheeple, if you were, they get caught in the tribalism of left versus right. I hate my neighbor because they vote Democrat, or I hate my neighbor because they vote Republican, And the reality is it's a uniparty. All sides are trying to push us towards an authoritarian state where everything that we do is monitored. We self censor and fear of getting into trouble, and we can see, I mean the examples of this are really legion. Yeah, I am very disillusioned with just you know, regular electoralism, and I believe that, yeah, we should all participate in elections, of course, but it doesn't stop there, and we should not expect that we can enact change by doing something as citizens only once every four years or every two years. And I do believe that we should actually band together and do some activism when it's possible. And obviously people have different views, opinions, and beliefs, and they're not always going to agree on all the options and solutions. But when we do agree in solutions, I do believe that we should work together and so we can build coalitions that can actually have significant political power, and that is what should matter. And if we are able to do this in a way that is nuanced, that you know, takes into consideration that we will never find common ground on everything, but it's okay, then I think, well, we could have a better world than we do today. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And some of these issues that you know, we're currently facing, they're not political. When we're examining the poisons and toxins that are in our food and water, when we're looking at the you know, the the chemtrails that are getting sprayed into our skies or something about like mass surveillance, where everything that we're doing is being surveilled. This isn't a left issue, this isn't a right issue. This is a freedom issue, and we should be able to build those coalitions. We should. It's definitely not everything that I would stand behind, but for one of the things you mentioned there, I would definitely fight for and I would I would build equalition with anybody on that. And that's this privacy thing, which is really just an idea to have equality with one another. Because if you have just some people that are able to surveil everybody, and then no one else is able to surveil those people like who watches the watching kind of dilemma, and you have the corporate sector, the big tech social media that's able to build these these profiles on literally billions of people while we can't do anything to them. Then you have this imbalance of power. And that's what I really care about. I really want to bring about that equality between between people and maybe do something about those that want to establish dominion over others. I'm definitely right there with you. So let's talk about what the surveillance state looks like. Let's break it down so that the average person can understand this. And first let's go to social media. A lot of people are operating under the premise that social media. You know, yeah, I may not like the people in charge of it, but my page is my page. I can post what I want, I can reach out to friends. But that's not what it is. There's intentionality behind the creation of social media. Can you discuss that with the audience. Well, in that hypothetical assumption about social media, and none of that is actually true. Like the algorithm is there to keep you hooked, to keep you addictated to it is literally designed by by psychologist, psychologists and experts in the fields to that study human behavior and emotional responses to to design these things to be as compulsive and obsessive as possible. And it's not good for anybody. It is manufacturing outrage. It is creating these bubbles of reality where we cannot even agree on a single thing happening. We can see an event transpire in front of our eyes on TV and in camera on camera from multiple multiple angles, yet you would have so many different camps of of different views on the same event, and these people just can't talk to each other because they are not on social media. They're talking over each other, and that's what the the algorithms are really let's say propagating or or build building towards because it just keeps you hooked, it keeps you more engaged. And it is harmful to each of us individually because you know, it's making us more stress and depressed about the state of the world. But it's also bad for the broader community, the society, country, nation, because it is polarizing us. It is very bad for this political process we might call democracy, and it's just leading. I feel like it's a race to the bottom. That's how how I would maybe categorize that. Yeah, I think that's incredibly well said. Can you just speak to you know, this is something I've warned the audience about, but many people are sharing far too much information on social media and can you talk a little bit about the dangers associated with that. I can, but I would say that the dangers go way beyond that, because I hear sometimes people tell me, oh, I don't worry about social media because I don't post anything personal there. But then I say, really, so you never liked anything, you never commented, and I posed you never shared any kind of image or a comment or something that you liked. You never did any of that because all of that is personally. It doesn't mean that you're posting photos from your living room or something. It's also about all of these behaviors that you're doing. They're all personal, and they're all collected, and there's this detailed profile about every single thing that you do. In one way, this profile is that it's just there to try to predict your behaviors that they can see where they can be more effective with the advertising. But in another way, all of that information is also part of this quote unquote permanent record where the data is just sitting there either in their data centers, but it's reserved for the government and the intelligence agencies to just get access to it without a warrant. By the way, because this is under the third party doctrine, which means that you know it's a third party service, so you don't have an expectation of privacy, So they can just go there and study your behaviors too, and then they can build these profiles on entire categories of people. It can be used to crush descent. It is oftentimes even used to violate people's constitutional rights, civil rights, especially the privacy rights against unreasonable search and seizure. But they're breaking their own rules and own privacy guidelines about how they should be approaching these things. And when i'm I could easily name like cases of the FBI and even local police departments. Is going either way to collect this information to go to these companies, either subpoena them or just order them to give them that info. And it's all Most of it is just really from social media, from your usage of Instagram, Facebook, and even apps like what said, i'm assuch and others that are not necessarily falling into that same category. Sure, let's switch the conversation to cell phones because I want to put some time into this. Obviously, my audience knows I work from Mark three to seven. I've told you that as well. But most people are using either the iPhone or the Android systems. Both of these are absolutely horrible. I would say Apple's a little bit worse just because of the closed operating system. But they're both taking all of your data. They're spying on you. You know, there's the annoying advertisements that come with this. People talk about it all the time the whole they have their phone and they're talking about needing a new refrigerator, and all of a sudden, refrigerator ads are showing up on their social media and things like that. That's the relatively benign, maybe annoying stuff. But government is also in here and they're spying on everything that you're doing. Can you talk a little bit about this? Yeah, I could. I think maybe one way I like to explain this is this idea of consent. Like if I told you a secret I am, I'm giving a consent to know that secret, like so you know it, but I don't give you a consent to share my secret I just told you with other people. But when you are on your phone and you give an app a permission to let's say, access your camera or location, you're giving consents to the app, but also to every other partner that that app developer has some kind of deal with. And there could be other pieces of code called sdcas software development kits that these third part that the developers are encouraged to install into their apps. And if you download like gaming apps, fitness trackers, even prayer app and meditation apps and all all kinds of stuff, they're loaded with code that you will never be able to audit. You will never you will never be able to see what it's doing. But what it's doing behind the scenes is that it's collecting your location or other information that the app is collecting from you. And you thought that it's just about that singular app, whereas it could be about like dozens, if not hundreds of other parties that are interested in that app or have some kind of deal to just get your information from the developer. So whenever you install an app, you have to multiply that number by several orders of magnitude to realize how many third parties now have access to your information. And you don't know what those third parties are doing with your data. They are you mentioned government, They are giving it to government, but it doesn't have to be yours. It could be foreign governments. These apps, these ecosystems, they are operating internationally globally. It's not confined to just the borders of any single country, and they don't abide by really any kind of jurisdiction at all, because they like they could be incorporated in all these weird places, and they they could always say that you know, you have clicked at ree on that privacy policy or terms of service, so you know, everything goes. They're definitely not giving you a level of understanding that you should have. They I feel like they're even violating your consent as a user because you're not giving this properly informed consent to what they're doing. And it's just it's it's it's horrible. I don't want to to to say, you know, like naughty words here, but it's it's it's the most horrible kind of thing that you could you could possibly imagine, like in the worst scenarios in sci fi, that's really happening today with the mobile ecosystem. Yeah, you paint a terrifying picture, and I am right there with you. But the vast majority of the public, they just love the convenience, you know. I mean, hey, you get your iPhone, you get your Android, and it's taking care of everything. And a lot of people are literally they like the fact that the phone is tracking them because it makes life so much more convenient. And this is a big lie that's been sold. But you know, I get frustrated. I sometimes want to grab the mic and strangle it because the normies out there, a lot of them just don't care. Well, maybe they don't care, or maybe they are not informed, though they are a real practical example of how this tracking of your information is actually profoundly harming you, even in financial ways. So maybe people are used to getting services for free like Google or I don't know, maybe some Apple services for free because they're not paying for them directly at the point of delivery, but you're paying in other ways. When you're supplying your data to these services and to these advertisers, that data circulates throughout the economy. It goes to these companies that are called risk assessors or risk scoring companies. They're using all kinds of algorithms and AI to build up these consumer profiles or risk scoring profiles. They are like you might know, for example, driver risk scores, or these are like companies and car insurance companies. They give you scores based on like things they can now pull off from the telemetry of your car, like how much you speed up and you know, check and break and stuff, so they can like kind of like estimate how good of a driver you are or not. But they're doing this for like literally everything, like if you go to Airbnb and you communicate and use the app and or you provide all of that usage information to Airbnb. Airbnb then goes out of its way to hire this risk scoring company and gives you this score, and they will then really approach you differently in their customer service and customer support. It's also in insurance, this is a huge deal. Companies like NeXT's, Lexis Nexts do this. They are giving insurance companies your risk score based on all of these behavioral data and information and profiles they've built up on you, on your purchasing records and browser habits and browser history and usage data from your phone. And they could literally like raise your insurance premiums for healthcare or other plans that you might have for life insurance for instance, based those Really you could call these like surveillance capitalism methods, like this is a business. This is not just the government. This is literally business profiting off of knowing things about you, making decisions about decisions about you behind your back, and then making profit off of it. And maybe the last final thing that I would mention this is to me the scariest one. Whenever you have to go to court, and especially in criminal court, you have these risk scores for defendants and this is automated. Judges literally use this as well as prosecutors, but judges do use this to determine your sentencing to see if you're more likely to reoffend or not. And it's obviously it's coming from it's pulling a lot of data that's from the real world, and there is a lot of bias, a lot of racial and ethnic bias, and a lot of actually biases against males, especially males of color, but all else in general are just heavily biased against in the criminal court. And that's just this horrible idea where judges are kind of like delegating some of the responsibilities to these algorithms that are proprietary, meaning you can't audit them, you cannot vet them, and they're making decisions about whether or not the judge should think they should let you go or maybe you should serve a harsher sentence because of it. Wow, there's not something that I was aware of. That's probably one of the scariest things I've heard, and I've been hosting the show for nearly a decade, that the judicial system is literally looking at the algorithms to decide how extreme your sentence should be. Ladies and gentlemen, that doesn't wake you up. I don't know what will you know? I hit one. I've been through a lot of different events, sea packs and shot shows and things as of late working for Mark three seven, and we set up booths and we're trying to get people to exit the system and get into a graphy os foam. And one of the things that we consistently hear from people that I'd love to hear your thoughts on is we'll get it. We'll get this statement. Well, I got nothing to hide, so I got nothing to hear or fear. Yeah, And now they don't know that they're paraphrasing Joseph Goebbels, the Minister of Propaganda for the Nazi Party, but that's literally what they are saying. What would you say to somebody this, I got nothing to hide, Well. I would say all the things that I said just before. I would say, like you had nothing to hide about, Like you want to pay more for the for the for the insurance premiums, you want to have a judge make decisions about you with these algorithms that you can't even like appeal at all, Like these algorithms are built by companies. You've never heard of before. These are like really smaller companies, no names, and all of these things are very viable. You can look them up on the New York Times. These articles are old. None of this information is actually new. It's like, I think this article is from like twenty eighteen or nineteen. Companies like lexis Nex's are really big. These are like major companies that do all of this. And it's not about like you have nothing to hide, Like obviously you are a good person, so you have nothing to hide. I'm not going to say that that you are a bad person, but like they, this is for them. This is not about you having things to hide. For them, this is about power to make decisions about your life without you being part of that decision making process. And I think if that doesn't convince anybody, I don't know what else will the Like the last thing I actually forgot to mention and that in that previous portion, was that also police are using these risk assessments risk scoring tools, and they're using it for locations to determine where a crime is likely to happen, but they're also using on populations of people to determine who is more likely to commit crimes. And then they are like deploying more policing tools and personnel to those areas and to those populations, and all of this is problematic because like data is biased, it's it's imperfect. The the algorithms are not open source, so we cannot actually have a community look at it and see if it's if it's right, And it's all just this tech bro mindset that oh we can just you know, software a software engineer are problems away from society, and we'll live in a utopia. But I think personally that these tech bros are just using these good intentions to really build up a massive healthscape for most of us. And I think we see a lot of that manifest in fact in in uh in films, in many things throughout the economy, like declining wages and and increasing powerday and stuff like that. So yeah, kind of like a tangent stional response. But I don't know if I would say anything else other than what I what I had just said before. Sure, yeah, no, I can appreciate that. Did you end up watching the movie Mercy? Uh? I just recently watched this, and uh, I love dystopian books and dystopian films, and I think oftentimes they use it as a window to show us their play. But Mercy was really interesting where they built an AI system that was your judge dur or an executioner. Were you able to see the film at all, No. But the judge Durings and executioner for AI systems, that's pretty much already happening with these algorithms. Yeah, exactly what you're describing. Yeah, but interesting enough. In the movie they did show that the algorithms, the artificial intelligence, was capable of making mistakes, and Chris Pratt as the hero in it. But I want people to start waking up, and if a film can do that, if a book can do that, then so be it. I would hope that people would be listening to episodes like this or following your channel, but unfortunately far too many are just they're watching TikTok videos of cats and things like that. And then that's the bread and circus that Rome decided or Rome showcased, I should say, of how to control the people, it's the same method, it's the same model, and it's still working. Yeah. That's that's uh, that's a that's a problem. It's something that really frustrates me. We need to get more people on board. It's the one thing is that you cannot really expect to be uniformly informed about all of these issues, and there's just so much to to care about. And another thing is that people also have other problems. It's not just that they're watching TikTok videos, but it's also that you know, they need to pay the bills, and it's harder to get a mortgage, to to get your your own place to live in I personally, for instance, kind of for my own place, and uh, it's it's something that that you know, you have to think about, and it just happens to be that my job is just to to look at all of these these horrible things. But if I was in a regular day to day job, I wouldn't have time or energy to do that job and also now read all the all the important news and and figure out what's what's real and what's not, and then then also dedicated a lot of time to that activism. So I think we are crushed by the weight of the problems. You could call this poly crisis or multi crisis. Multiple cataclysmic things are happening at the same time, and I think that's the way that's under the way people are crushed into apathy into just inaction. I think maybe that could be one of the reasons. No, I think you're absolutely spot on on that one. So let's transition this conversation to solutions, because I want people to at least start taking some steps. And these are things that you can do that are relatively easy. You know, I'm not trying to tell everyone, you know, you need to become this this tech intellect that it's you know, literally pulling your phone apart and reprogramming it. I'm not saying that. But there are certain things that you can do. I'm gonna throw a few out here, and then I'd love for you to interject. But doing something as simple as like stop using Google for your search engine and move to something like Brave, or start using the Signal app for most of your communications. These are things that they're not perfect, but they certainly can help. They definitely are not perfect, but they will get you to a better place. And I would say that if you are really hardcore about this, then you just want to go straight to the best option you can have, then go for Graphinos. If you can't install Graphios yourself, there are some people that can do it for you. There's this thing called att of station service. You should check the attestation of your installation to see if it's if it hasn't been tampered with. But after that you should. You will, you will. You will have a device that you will never have to think about ever again. It will do all the security for you unless you you mess things up. But you would have to be really proactively stupid to do that. And I know that it's a big step to get a Graphinos device, but it's just so powerful. It's just doing so many things for you at once that I think it's just the best thing to do. But if you don't want to do that, then yeah, choose alternatives that are free and open source mostly uh because on privacy and security. So instead of like you can replace the whole Google suite with open source alternatives. You don't have to use the Microsoft to Office three sixty five whatever. You can use Libra Office. It's completely free, has all the features, all the apps. You don't have to use Google Drive. You can use Proton Drive, Treasur right now, Tuta has a drive too. These are all based in European states, and you can use Signal. As you mentioned, Doug dot Go is another browser Quantities based in not Switzerland. Friends, other options are available to Yeah, instead of Windows or macros, you can use Linux. Linux is incredibly easy to use. The first one to start with would be something like Linux Mint or mangerro or Fedora if you're into that. But you know, Linux Mint would be one of the best options for most people who are just new to this. So there is an open source alternative for all of these things that work really well. You don't have to sacrifice pretty much anything. And for the most part they are actually three like you do not even have to pay for them at all. So, yeah, you have so many options today that it's really unjustifiable to have ex any excuses. I would say, Yeah, I am definitely right there with you. We're coming up on a hard break here. We got about a minute left, so I want to showcase your YouTube here for the NRBTV audience. I highly recommend that you go and follow this guy, the hated one on YouTube. You can see it. Chris is bringing it up right. There a lot of followers on here. But with the last forty five seconds, can you just plug your YouTube page here? Yeah? Sure, Most of my videos are about privacy security, but they're also video essays into geopolitics about several corporations. Some cases like this guy who made the big bitcoin wallet and now going to prison for it is actually in prison, and so I go sometimes a little bit too deep. But some of my editorials that you can follow are really for everybody, and I feel like you will benefit greatly from just following the advice and recommendations. I appreciate that, so once again I will echo that to the audience YouTube the Hated One. He's on there and I highly recommend that you follow him or right there. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to come right back. The Hated One is agreed to stay on for another fifteen minutes. Hey, this is Caleb Collier with the Church and State podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, I want all of you to go to Galileo dot com. You need to stay connected no matter what comes our way, whether it's government intrusion or a media falling from the sky. 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And as I say so often on the show, you're hearing conversations that you're not really hearing anywhere else, and so if you like the content and some of the guests that we're bringing on, please consider donating. Now with that, I'm going to go over to Mark three seven dot com and I want to bring the hated one back into it as we plug these guys. Obviously I work for them. I always tell you guys that, but I want to hear because what the hated one was talking about graphios, right, A lot of people are going to be like, what exactly is that? It sounds difficult to put it on your own phone. And Chris, if you can bring up the website for Mark three seven, I appreciate it. But we do everything for you here at this company. Like you are getting a Pixel and Hated one, you can you can jump in here, but Pixel phones that's the easiest one to grab graphios and install it. So we do google it, put the graphios on there, and then have just open source apps. And I'd love to hear your thoughts about that. We're also selling Linux computers, you can see that on the laptop side, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Well. I havn't a time to actually look too deep into what you're doing here, but I would say that whenever you're getting a phone from someone, even like you guys, you have to go through the auto station service and verify the installation. The out of station service works in a cryptographic manner that cannot be broken, so it VERI fines whether the installation is actually valid or not. This is just to make sure that you guys did the good job and you're not some kind of a federal honeypot trying to steal people's information. So it just exists there, and it's a service that Graphios provides directly. So the website for Graphios is graphiois dot org, and they'll do this for you for free. I mean you have to like do the adda station yourself. All you need is to have your graphi noise device and whatever else other device for the adda station. You're literally just scanning qure codes and that's all. And what that will do is that, just as I said, verify that installation to really be sure that it's valid. But I would say that if you, if you have the courage to feel free to install graphi Noise yourself from the graphioise dot org website. I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but by the way, it's just it's a lot easier today to do that install I started with graphi Nose when you had to go through the command line and use the Linux terminal and all that stuff and it was fun, still not too difficult, but you know, I know that a lot of people just don't want to see a command line. So there is now a different way. It's called the web installer, and you literally use your web browser to install graphy Noise on your phone and you don't have to worry about breaking anything. It's really full proove and you can just do it yourself. And that way, you will really feel empowered that you can just do this without needing to rely on anyone. But again, if some people just don't want to do this because they feel like they could break something, which is very unlikely. But if you feel like you don't want to do that, then yeah, go ahead and purchase one of these devices, but make sure to always go through the station. Yeah. I appreciate what you're saying there. You know the honeypot fed you know fed honeypot. I agree, And I tell people all the time, like, don't trust me, like do your own research here. I do love working for this company and I love the products. I know for myself it's been extremely beneficial. And I was one of those guys. I mean I joke all the time I was a marine. I eat crayons. Like, I'm not a tech guy, and so being able to just purchase the phone, purchase the laptop and just be up and running was really convenient for me. But once again I agree with you. Make sure that we're doing what we were doing, and we're not afraid of that. At mark three seven, like, if you want to test us, test us where we are we stand behind products right here, and I will just say use the coupon code Church and state on there. Hated one. I wanted to ask you something you just said there installing GRAPHI and OS yourself, because you can't do this on all phones. Correct, No, only only the supported phones, which currently are the pixel phones that are still getting the firmware updates, which means they're just you know, within the end of life support. Yeah, and that's what we tell people, you know. One of the things when we were talking about simple things that you can do, I would say to everyone who is currently using Apple products, stop it. You got to get out of that closed operating system. A lot of people say that it's more secure. You guys don't understand what you're dealing with here. I'd love your take on this. Well, the Apple ecosystem is more secure than most regular Android phones. But the thing about Android is that it's a it's an ecosystem of phones. You don't have one single Android like you do have one iPhone, and that's it. Every single manufacturer of Android phones is going to have a different approach, vastly different. The Samsung Android phone is going to be totally different than one plus or the Pixel And the benefit of the Pixels is that Google has really put a lot of research into securing that phone as much as possible, and it's the most secure Android out of all of them. And you can be skeptical of the reasons why Google did this, and I would tell you that the easy answer is they did not do this for your benefit. That it is for their own benefit because they want you to be able to use that phone as a wallet for financial services and all that stuff. So they're securing themselves against potential liability. So they're making their phone very secure. But secure does not mean private. So your phone can still not be private because you are logging into your Google account and Google is then collecting your information. The problem is that people think that, oh, well, Apple made that app, they told in that app that what happens in your iPhone stays on your iPhone. In my view, I'm surprised that nobody has sued Apple, and this would be like literally legal advice, I would say, because how is this possible to say? Apple is literally lying in an advertisement telling you that what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone. That is categorically not true. Apple is collecting exactly the same amount of information and the same quality of information as Google is collecting for all of the services that they have equal equivalent parts for. So Apple does not have a search engine, so you cannot make comparisons there, But for everything else, Apple is just collecting an equal amount of data about you, and they have these defaults that are just terrible for you. And the thing about the ecosystem being locked down, well that's pretty bad for Apple. Because on Aroid and even on Pixel phones, you have the benefit of actually removing your Google account from there, and not only that, you can actually remove Google apps from there, have your phone now be completely anonymous because it is not connected to any online account whatsoever, which is a benefit. And then you can still install apps from third party sources like Android, and you can get apps on androids still directly from developers. This is not possible on the iPhone. You cannot get a working iPhone without the Apple ID. And now Apple is being forced to open up with allowing some third party options to install apps, but you still have to have the Apple ID, which means that Apple will will tie your phone to your identity and will forever collect that information. Google will do that too, but you can remove that from your phone. You have that freedom which just simply does not exist on Apple. So the fact that Android can be made so much more private and secure and anonymous just you know, really, I would have to agree with your conclusion there that I would never recommend Apple to anybody. Yeah, I think we said all the debate right there, because you do. I would say more on the Apple side than the Android. Android users are just kind of like it's a tool. Whereas I joke on this show all the time that iPhone users are like the Jehovah witnesses of the tech world. They're literally knock on your door to tell you about the new iPhone seventeen, and they're very proud of their product. They like they have some investment in it, but it's just Honestly, it's just propaganda. It's an agenda that people have bought into. And I think you put that very succinctly, that there is literally no reason for you to be using an iPhone, ladies and gentlemen, And I would say even like beginning steps, if you are like I don't know, like I don't know about all of this, just simply going from an iPhone to an Android so you start getting used to the operating system would be a step in the right direction. I mean, it's not at all a great one, but it's at least that initial step. What would you say about that hated. One, Well, I wouldn't say any Android, because there are Android phones still out there that do not get security updates. Then that's very important. This means that if you have a phone or any device for the matter, that is not up to date, it means that there are vulnerabilities in that software that are publicly available. They are free for anyone in the world to abuse and exploit to hack into your phone. So you never want to be in a situation where you have a phone that is not up to date. Now, Apple has an update policy for up to I think five years for their latest phones. Google I think is supporting their latest phones for up to seven years, and some other Android manufacturers like Samsung are also supporting their phones for five years. Not every Android manufacturer is doing this, especially if you go for the really cheap options, so be careful there. And if you want to choose and can choose between different Android phones irrespective of the budget, and you can go for something for something that's for about like five hundred dollars, then I would go for the Pixel even if you are not going to install graphi nos on it. The Pixel phone, even if it's from Google, is going to be more secure and also more private than something from literally any other any other vendor. And then if you're familiar with Andrew, if you're really going from the iPhone, then I would say you can install grafinos on it later on. Yeah, I like that advice very much. And forgive me for that. I meant to say Pixel and I just said Android. But yeah, I would highly recommend everyone at least get a Pixel phone and then start doing things like using Brave, using Signal, using proton mail. These are all solutions that will reduce the amount of surveillance upon you. Obviously, the end goal is to get you into Graphios and when it comes to the laptop using Linux as well. But yes, you definitely want to get into the more privacy focused. Apps, Yeah for sure. Yeah. Ex all right, well, hey, we're winding down here, but I wanted to make sure that I'm promoting you again because that's just kind of how I operate the show. They hated one on YouTube, Chris, if you can bring that up once again, they hated one almost five hundred thousand subscribers, so people are obviously paying attention to what you're talking about here, But once again, promote the show and then just any last advice for the audience here. You know, I really want to get it through people's heads that there are solutions and they're actually not all that complicated. Yeah. Well, thanks for the opportunity to talk to this audience. I'm really stoked to see what people have to say, and I'm trying to talk to everybody. As I said, and you alluded at the beginning of this show that we are too divided into polarized and focusing on what divides us more than where we could be united, kind of like paraphrising paraprising what you said there but yeah, that's what my channel is really about. Like I'm I'm very nonpartisan. I do have my beliefs. I probably am not going to agree with most of you folks, but that's fine. I would say for for all of the issues. I meant to say, if we can agree on some things where we can work together on, and if I can enlighten you on some things that you know you would probably agree on on on the spectrum of moral and ethics that that's wrong what a company is doing or what a government is doing, then yeah, you will. You will find plenty of value here. And I'm not just making these videos. I'm also making this podcast that's for now just on Patreon, and there are some episodes that are free and some are behind a paywall, and I go really deep into all the things that I just don't have the time to make a video on YouTube before. And I think the best that the biggest benefit of what I do is is the research. I just do so much research for every single piece of content that I make that you would literally spend hours on top of listening to my episodes and watching my videos to actually study everything that I talk about. And my research is always coming from the most reputable outlets always fact checks, and I do everything myself because I cannot really afford to hire like editors and all that stuff. But that's where I dedicate most of my time to. And if you appreciate like this truth finding kind of like endeavor, then I feel like it would be the right place. Well, can I just say that I so appreciate you coming on here and you know, coming from different perspectives, like this is what we need. You know, I don't know where you align politically. You probably have some assumptions where I align, And I even said in the beginning of the show that I'm a libertarian, but we need to have people who have differing opinions are willing to come in and just discuss what we have in common, what we can work together towards. I want to see that so much more in America instead of this intentional divide that literally the elites are pushing upon us and we're hating people just because you know, they root for the wrong sports team. So just thank you for coming on here and having a really great conversation about this subject. Thank you, Thank you too. And I have to say that maybe I'm a little bit different than than most people. Uh difference that are on the different sides of the political spectrum. But I am very intellectually intellectually curious, and I don't really have a problem if people have different beliefs from mine. That's I think, that's all fine. I do have a problem when people don't want to learn, and I have a problem when people are not principled. So if people have a belief in a cult of personality, like for instance, their current administration does something that they would criticize other administrations for and then they're refusing to apply the same standard that I have a big problem with that because that's very hard to actually work with. Like what do I do with with that? Like I cannot can I can I actually have any argument against that? There are like logical fallacies that are happening at that point, and you know, it's it's hard to to to do anything anything about that. But if if if a person is really curious and they they want to have an honest discussion or debate about anything, I'm always there. And I guess my only problem is that I'm a little bit like socially awkward, So I cannot really tell if somebody is getting really annoyed by me always always pushing back and always talking and being skeptical. But that's not me trying to be offensive offensive or anything like that. It's just me not getting the social clues as fast as I should. But I really mean it in and and uh, in this positive way. I'm trying to be more welcoming. Yeah, but that's that's it. Yeah, Well, amen to that. I mean, if if you criticized Barack Obama for getting us into foreign wars, I won't criticize Donald Trump for the same thing, then you need to check yourself and really ask some questions internally about what you truly believe. So I echo exactly what you said right there. Well, Hated One, it has been an awesome show. I got to close this out. If you hold on one more minute post production to sayah, goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But thank you again for your time and for your work. Thank you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go go check them out the Hated One on YouTube. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. I hope that you can see that people who may have differences can come together on specific issues and address things and just be curious. 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