Church & State: The Most Important Voice in America - Owen Shroyer

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Lastly, if you want to get ahold of us Church and State seventeen seventy six at Proton dot me with that, let's go ahead and bring on our guests, Owen Schroyer, independent journalists formerly from Info Wars, doing his own thing now and as I said, he's one of the most important voices in America in my opinion, he is saying the things that a lot of the so called conservative influencers just won't touch. Owen, thanks for joining us on Church and State again. Well, it's great to be here. When I heard from you, caught up a little bit before we went live here, and you know, it's an interesting way of putting it things conservatives are afraid to say. Obviously you're not in that realm. But I do think that that's an accurate depiction, and I think that I think I've even whittled down the reason why that is. If you even want to start off there, let's do it. So it's I think the best way to describe this is, you know, we saw so much change in twenty sixteen with Trump, right, there was so much change. And really, what you learn in the political media is the landscape does change every election cycle, definitely every four years. But even in the midterms, people rise, people fall, People that were big in twenty sixteen were gone by twenty twenty. So this is just kind of the trend that you see in political media. But what we saw in twenty sixteen and the Trump movement was kind of something that we've never seen before. Definitely not me somebody that's thirty six now, so I ever seen anything like that phenomenon. And it created a bunch of people that kind of joined the independent political media. Now that social media is around, you don't need the big networks necessarily to get a following. And what they did was they kind of built a brand, They built a personality. Even their entire business model was based off of supporting Trump or or Maga as it's known. And so they sell the apparel, they sell the hats. This is their online personality. They kind of put. Themselves in a box, right, And so now we're entering this realm where Trump is in his second and final administration at least, I mean, that's the understanding. I suppose passed any jokes about a third and so it's time to get a little serious. It's time to get a little serious. And so I think you're seeing the difference between people that kind of just got into it with the Trump movement, with the Trump momentum, created a business model off of it, and they can't really criticize. They can't really say anything critical or negative about Trump because that would allultimately hurt their business model, that would ultimately be against their persona as it's now known publicly. So I do think that that's an issue. I do think also though, and you probably have more experience with this than me. Not to make an age joke, like your producer. Said, you already have that jo. No, but I think that the experience, the experience is important because you realize that people just some people just kind of play politics like it's a sports team and they just want to wave the pom poms, wear the hat, put on the uniform and just feel like they're part of the team, and they want to celebrate the team, and they just, you know, that's just kind of how they do it. It happens in sports. People will go and cheer for the team, even if they're down forty points, even if they're you know, zero to fifteen, they still show up and they're proud and they like the team. Well, politics is not sports. These have real life consequences. And we were hoping that we had a movement here with Trump as kind of the figurehead to get us into the White House that could actually lead to some serious government reform. And now we're more than a year into this administration and we're just not seeing it. It seems like more of the same. And so the cheerleaders are cheering on their favorite team. Meanwhile other people out there, like you and I are saying, hey, hold on a second, this is not what we were expecting. This is not what we were anticipating. And now I think the reality is starting to sit in As far as the midterms, are concerned. At once we were called pannikins. They even said they don't want our vote. Now they're all saying, oh gosh, the midterms are in the balance. This could be a disaster. And I'm kind of sitting here saying, yeah, I hate to say I told you so. Sure, you're absolutely right. I'm sure you watched the State of the Union, or at least some clips from it. One of the things that I found really fascinating. I love your take on this. The only time I saw both parties stand up and applaud was when we were talking about invading Iran. Well, it was pretty predictable. The foreign lobby pays off both sides of Congress, and in fact, Apak even brags. They don't even hide it anymore. I think that in the last election cycle they said ninety eight percent of their candidates one the only the two that they defeated on the Democrat aisle were Rafael Warnock and Corey Bush from Saint Louis, and so they have a lot of power in American politics and in DC. So I think that that's kind of the easy explanation to look at the foreign lobby and say, okay, they fund both sides of Congress, so they're both going to cheer whenever there's a call for more foreign intervention. But I do think there's another aspect of this, and I'm not sure which side of it Chuck Schumer is on, because he's been very vocal about this lately. He just did a video about it on x actually urging Trump to strike Iran. So there's no doubt that there's the foreign lobby that plays their influence here. But I also think the Democrats have done the measurement. They know that if this administration strikes Iran or gets to some new intervention with Iran or in the Middle East, then it's over. Then the Democrats will have all the momentum for the midterms and they can run on this unpopular foreign policy in twenty thirty, which I believe running against this foreign policy has had the last two presidents get elected. I think the reason why Barack Obama got elected in two thousand and eight was because he ran against this foreign policy. Hillary was supposed to win. That was supposed to be the coming of Hillary Clinton. Obama ran really harshly against the Bush foreign policy, and ultimately that's what led to his victory. Twice. Now we all see what ended up happening with that. He had a very similar Middle East policy as did everybody else. There was a little bit of a difference. Obviously with the Iran deal there wasn't as many boots on the ground, but generally speaking, intervention, warfare, death, the same stuff that most Americans are sick of, and aside from the Biden stolen election of twenty twenty, I think this is why Trump got elected. Trump in fact, I shared some of the clips on my ex account. You can go back to the twenty sixteen debates, and I think that's what separated Trump from the field. Specifically when he called out Jeb Bush and he said, why did we get involved in the Middle East? It was a disaster, We lost a bunch of life, and so on and so forth. So I think that's what got Trump elected. So I think that the Democrats, it's like they kind of get to have their cake and eat it two here. They get to appease the foreign lobby, but they also get to push for this war that they know is only going to hurt Republicans. They know it's only going to hurt Trump and the Republicans in the midterms and then maybe even long term in twenty thirty. It gives the Democrats the platform to run against this unpopular foreign policy and maybe even win, as I think the last two presidents, aside from the stolen election of twenty twenty, have won on running against the foreign policy in the Middle East. So it seems like the Democrats are actually getting this opportunity to have their cake and eat it too. Of course, we all kind of feel like the around strikes are inevitable right now. They haven't happened yet, but I get the feeling that should they happen, it's it could be maybe too early to say the final blow for the midterms, but that's going to be a devastating blow. Yeah, I completely agree with that assessment. I want to talk to you about something that I had actually said on my show. Pretty controversial. I haven't had too much fallout from it yet, but who knows. But through the Epstein lists the files, we now understand that the vast majority of the people that supposedly lead us are satanic, pedophile, potentially cannibals as well, and they're telling us that the greatest threat to our democracy is Iran. When I examine Iran and really the Muslim faith. I see people that, well, they revere Jesus, they call them a prophet, they hold them in high esteem. Right, they don't believe He's the son of God. But when I compare that mentality to satanic, pedophile Cannibals, I think I have more in common with the Muslims. What do you think about. That, Well, this is a very deep one and I do think that there's a generational divide here. And I don't know if you can put a specific age on it, but there's definitely a generational divide on this understanding. You know, I was actually, I don't know if I would say shocked. I don't know what I really anticipated, but when I was doing my time in federal prison, I actually read the Koran, and I was not anticipating that the vast majority of the beginning of that literature, that religious textbook, was essentially the New Testament. I mean it really read just like the New Testament, which I had just finished reading the entire Bible before I did that. But that's more of a theological thing. What's crazy now is you've got Kamena, who is you know, the big bad leader of Iran. You've got Vladimir Putin, who is the big bad leader of Russia, and now both of them have gone to the international stage and called out Western satanic elites and pedophiles. And these are the men that I'm told are my enemies. Now, look, this is no endorsement of either one of those men. But at the same time, I can't help but notice the irony of this. I can't help but notice, well, wait a second, even a bad guy might be able to tell the truth. Even a bad guy can say something I disagree with. Doesn't mean that I endorse them. But it is wild that these are the two men that we are essentially at war with right now. I mean, we are essentially at war with Russia and Ukraine, and we're essentially at war with Iran, and that's through our greatest ally in the Middle East, Israel. And so these are the two men. Calling out the Satanic, pedophile elites and the Westerners more than any other leaders, including my own. So it's a little ironic when I see that they are supposedly my enemy. And then you get into the Epstein files, and now you start to see why it makes more sense, because yes, it does appear that our leadership has been severely corrupted, even to degrees so dark that most people can't or don't want to comprehend. You know, here's an example we just saw. I'm not sure if you saw this the Squatty Potty Creator. You may have seen this cross your newswire. The squad Potty Creator just got busted trying to purchase child material. Well, we go back and we start to examine some of this individual's lifestyle habits and then some of the marketing campaigns he was doing for Squatty Potty. This is a man that is co parenting children he adopted with his husband's my understanding, and also we go back and we find out that the Squatty Potty was doing a marketing campaign that was using ice cream and children. Now, anybody that got into the Epstein files knows that ice cream seems to be some code word in the files. I don't know if we can be for sure what it is, but it appears to somehow represent children, and they do seem to use acronyms. And so maybe I see maybe the sea there as children. Maybe we're reaching here, but I don't think it's a far reach to say that ice cream is clearly code word. And then we see the symbolism of these people everywhere, including justly in a squatty potty commercial where the kids are licking and eating ice cream. I kid you, not out of a unicorns butt. Literally, that's in the ad. And so this is the kind of stuff that we're seeing now, and there's really once you've seen it, there's no turning it off. Once you've seen it, there's no looking back. So yeah, I think the general attitude, aside from all of the detail, the general attitude is, Look, maybe maybe Iran's leader is corrupt, Maybe Russia's leader is corrupt. I don't know. Maybe there's a bunch of leaders corrupt all over the world. My problem is our leaders are corrupt. My problem is our Congress is corrupt. My problem is our government is corrupt. And I'd much rather deal with that. I'd much rather deal with that than corrupt leaders on the other side of the planet. I think that's how most Americans feel today, and that's what we were hoping to get out of this administration. Now we're more than a year in, and we're wondering if that's going to be the case. Yeah, if this is part of making America great again. I want no part in that, right. I want to correct that America First policy. All Right, what's going on at home versus sticking my nose in everybody else's business all across the world. Owen, do you think there's going to be any repercussions from people that are on the Epstein list. I think there's some throwaways. I think Prince Andrew, we could see that there's a throwaway. But we're really matters are we going to see mass arrests? Because I'm not holding my breath on this. I wouldn't hold my breath on it either. There have been some incidents of fallout, you know, people losing their jobs. Wexner was brought in for testimony and he's released. They're not going to go any farther with that. So I have very little hope. But you know, I don't think this. I don't think we've seen the final act here. In fact, I feel like we're maybe even still in the first quarter. Maybe we're running out of time in the first quarter, but I think there's a lot of time left in this deal. Way too many Americans have seen this, way too many people in the media have seen this there's even a bit of a bridge I think between the left and the right on this issue specifically, and. You know, it's kind of unfortunate. I understand. You know, there is some people want to just completely throw out the entire left right paradigm. But there is a left right paradigm. I mean there is, There are political paradigms, There is a political spectrum. But you know, I can't get behind this whole idea of I'm just going to stay on the right no matter what, and anything that I deem as on the left, I'm just going to completely avoid. I don't really like that mindset. I think it paralyzes our country politically. So I see a lot of people doing that right now. But there does seem to be a bit of a bridge. And you can even look at Congress Thomas Massey and Rocanna. They're the ones that wrote the legislation that ultimately got passed and signed by President Trump, the Epstein Transparency Act, which Pambondi is still in violation of. By the way, now they're actually taking files down, they're not adding to the files that they're still holding back. So I don't think we've seen the end of this. I don't think we've seen the end of this at all. Who knows how many of these Epstein co conspirators will still be alive, let's say. In two to four years. That might be the ultimate determining factor. But it's pretty clear to me what we need to find out is who cut these deals. We know that Alex Tecosta was involved in the original deal with Epstein, but I don't think he's the only name who cut the deals. I think it's pretty clear that whoever these co conspirators are, they cut deals with the DOJ to avoid jail time. We don't have the details of these arrangements, but it's pretty clear something was done. And Massy and Rocana did a joint a brief joint press conference yesterday where they basically said this is what they're searching for. But the DOJ is continuing to hold back the documents that may give them those names. So I don't think this is going anywhere. It's got way too much momentum. The American people are not turning away from this, as we do with so many other issues. They're not turning away from this, So I think the volume is going to get turned up unfortunately, or I don't know, maybe fortunately, depending on how you look at it, because the Democrats are still, you know, like chum in the water with sharks for Donald Trump. They're gonna go, I think, as far as they can, and if they win the House, then they're gonna take it even further thinking that this is somehow gonna get Trump. I don't know if that's gonna be the ultimate outcome, but they still believe that. So I don't think the Democrats are gonna drop this thing. I think there's gonna be enough votes or support from Republicans in Congress to continue to move this ball forward. So I don't know if I have any hope for people getting arrested. But I also think that we're still kind of early in this game. I think that there's a lot more to this game. I think we're maybe in the final phases of the first quarter. We had the Clintons testifying behind closed doors in the Epstein situation today, So I don't think this is going away. Well, I certainly hope it doesn't because if and I don't care where they're at. I don't care if it's my favorite libertarian politician, if he's on the Epstein list, I want to know it, and I want justice for these individuals who were tormented by these Satanists. I'm so glad Owen that. You brought up the left right paradigm. I've been big on this on the show lately, and I agree with what you were saying there. There is a paradigm, but it's not to the degree that they're trying to manifest. I've said numerous times on the show. You talk to your average next door neighbor who's a Democrat, you have a lot of things in common. You both want a lot of the same things. But is the leadership. Yeah, the leadership can be completely wicked and evil on both sides. You got some hardcore activists obviously that are doing some things that are not conducive to, you know, the American way of life. But your average person a lot more in common than we do difference, and I think that's a very intentional divide. Yeah. Well, and again there's going to be issues that are going to come about that are probably gonna end up swinging it for the Democrats, I think in the midterms, and that's people on both sides are sick of our foreign policy. The foreign policy approval rating is very low. And then also you know the Epstein files. Unfortunately, I think for the Republicans it's gonna look negatively on them for the mid terms, and people are gonna say the Democrats are pushing more for it. Whatever that motivating factor is, I think that that's just going to be how Americans see it. So there are issues right now. You know, we'll see what happens in the two the next two election cycles. I think the next two election cycles are going to be very telling as far as what type of bridge is going to be built between the left and the right. I think compromises are going to have to be made. I do, and I think it's going to be compromises that both sides don't like it. I'm kind of I'm almost in a way hoping that Thomas Massey and Rocanna decide to run on a joint ticket for president, just to say, all right, look, and by the way, that's how our country used to operate. The vice president was the runner up in the presidential election, even if they were from different ideologies or parties. You know, obviously that's been changed for a while. But I feel like people on the left and the right don't I don't even want to say Republicans and Democrats because it seems like most of them a are totally corrupted. But people on the left and the right in the country are just going to say, all right, you know what, we're gonna have to put some of these differences aside. We're gonna have to make some compromises and then and here's some stuff that we're gonna have to agree. This is what we need to do. We need to clean up the budget. We need to stop all the waste, fraud, and abuse. We need to get rid of corruption in DC. We need to stop the insider trading. We need to go after DC criminals. It's as simple as the slush fund that there's now legislation being pushed to reveal the names of that slush fund of members of Congress that were accused of sexual assault or something in that nature, paid off by tax dollars, all the way up to the Epstein files. So I do think there's gonna be these bridges and Americans are going to say, all right, let's take care of some of this stuff. It might even go as far as let's bring the troops home. You know, it could even go as far as that with the foreign policy, let's bring them home. And you know, one example, and this is why it's so frustrating with the left right paradigm. Again, I would probably not vote for a Democrat socialist ever in my life. But at the same time, you know, if they have a lifeboat and I'm drowning in the ocean, I'm going to want to get on that lifeboat. And so Mom Donnie, who Trump just invited to the White House for the second time. Mom Donnie started a program in New York City. They just had the big blizzard, like a foot and a half of snow. He starts this new program and he says, all right, we're paying thirty bucks an hour for anybody that wants to come out and shovel snow. They had those sidewalks cleared in one night, in a single night, just oh and New Yorkers are walking down the city They're like, oh my god, we'd have two inches of snow. It's never been this clean. This is unbelievable. And so to me, that's just a micro cosm of the possibilities our country has. That's just a micro cosm of the potential that our country has. That's just a thirty dollars an hour snow shoveling job. You know, I don't know what it's like out there, but here in Texas, we got highway projects that take ten years to finish. Ten years. You drive by, it's nothing but cones and nothing. Nobody's working. Ten years. I've seen ten skyscrapers go up in downtown Austin, Texas. They've finished one single highway project. Tell me what five trillion dollars that we've spent in the Middle East? Five trillion dollars we've spent the Middle East since the turn of the twenty first entry. You're telling me we couldn't pay. Construction workers one hundred, one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty or more dollars an hour to work twenty four to seven until these projects are complete. You're telling me Americans don't want that job. I don't believe you for one second. If Americans are willing to go out there and shovel snow for thirty dollars an hour, Americans are willing to go out and work construction projects for fifty sixty hours a week for one hundred and fifty dollars an hour, and we can actually. Really build our country. I bet you we could even. Pay Americans thirty dollars an hour to go clean up trash on the streets, to go clean up trash at the parks, to go clean up trash in our waterways. This is where we can be investing our money. This is make America great again. So it's almost like it's ironic. It's a little sad. I guess as somebody that definitely aligns more with right wing politics and ideology to see that it's a damn democrat socialist doing this, Like, come on, we are the ones that should be advancing this agenda with MAGA and Trump, but they're just not doing it. So that's kind of where I see the future going. We might have to build some bridges with the left to do that, and I do think there's an appetite for that right now. I think that there's an appetite for that more than I've ever seen. You paint a really rosy picture. I like that. I like the idea of America coming back together, and I think as some of these more extreme left wing, you know, beliefs like that. It seems that the transgender movement is starting to die down even people on the left are like, this is crazy. We can't have girls getting beat up on by boys in their sports. You know, you can't change your body and expect us to call you a woman when you have a beard. I'm seeing that even from left wing people. So if we can actually get away from some of the extreme ideologies from the left, I think we could come together. And I can attest to what you were saying. We have a freeway here in Spokane where I'm from, where you've actually visited. I think they started. Building this in nineteen ninety, Is that right, Chris, Like nineteen ninety is still not completed. It's ridiculous. So yeah, maybe put Americans to work on making America great again. Stop with the foreign policy, start sticking our noses in Ukraine and I Ran and all these other different countries, Venezuela for example. I want to move into another question that I asked you the first time I ever interviewed you, and I asked you about the Israeli question, and you said something to the is something akin to like this is the next big issue that we're going to be talking about, And sure enough, that's exactly what's happened. And it's not just within politics, it's also within the church, especially amongst the younger generations. 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You know, as far as the theological debate, it's well, what is the Israel of the Bible versus what is the Israel that is a nation state, a land with borders of today? And this is one where there's always going to be heated debate. There's always been heat debate, but I think it's more so it's coming to the front now because again we're looking at this from a political issue, and we're saying, hey, we got our own problems in this country, and so whatever your theological belief about Israel is, whatever your interpretation of that is, whatever you think about you know, Jews and Christians and their relationship, or this idea of Judeo Christian culture, or all these other buzzwords that get thrown at us. I think pragmatic people are sitting back and saying, none of that matters to me. This is not something I'm here to discuss. What I'm saying is we have poured so much money into the Middle East, specifically in foreign aid to Israel, and it hasn't benefited us. It has not been a two way street. It has not been a beneficial relationship. I think a lot of young Americans are looking at it now as not just not beneficial, but actually a net negative, not just in the money category, which is unknowable, but in the world stage, in the world old stage. I think that a lot of people look in America as the bad guy, specifically in the Middle East, because of our ties with Israel. And you know, one thing that I saw starting to pop up as the Iran strikes started to get talk about more, and people start to always look at this from like a world war perspective. It's kind of a gravity thing with this debate. But I don't think it's I don't think it's irrelevant. And so they start to say, well, this is what's gonna happen. China and Russia will align with Iran, and then NATO the UK will align with America and Israel. And I was looking at that and I said, this is extremely mismeasured. I don't think NATO and the UK will align with America. I think if it comes down to Israel's interest in the Middle East, I think America will be isolated as the only country that will stand with them. We just saw a joint statement from about twenty different nation states, including every Gulf nation state, condemning Israel settling in the West Bank. Now, now, when Trump originally signed the peace deal, which nobody talks about that anymore because nobody's abiding by it. But when Trump originally signed the peace Deal and then even kind of reaffirm this with the Board of Peace, Israel was not supposed to go into the West Bank. Trump said that multiple times, even from the Oval Office and during press conferences. Well, guess what Israel is in the West Bank, and now the United States is actually offering consular services to the Israelis that are moving into the West And. I gotta pause you right there. We hit that heartbreak with NRBTV. But we're going to come back. Ladies in general, we're going to continue for another fifteen minutes. 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So you know, just like I think the left right is going to have to build a bridge, I think with foreign policy, we're just gonna have to say, look, we just have to stop, we just have to put pause on all this stuff. We can have the debate on foreign policy. We can have the debate on Middle East intervention. We can have the debate on you know, who's our ally, who's the bad guy? All right, we can have that debate. But right now it's time to just hit the brakes. It's time to hit the brakes and say, we got our own problems, We got our own corruption, and that's what we need to deal with first and foremost. And then once we get that taken care of, we can dive back into this long standing debate on Middle East foreign policy. That's not going anywhere anytime soon. But I will say, and this is where I think we have to just we have to ground ourselves and be real about it. Everybody knows we've been told about weapons in the Middle East aimed at the United States America for thirty years. I just shared a clip and people are actually digging back even further. But I shared a clip of Netanyahu himself, who has been saying this for actually thirty one years now, Netan Yah, who has been telling the United States of America that Iran is days away from a bomb for thirty one years. They've been telling us this and you know, as they say, if it's not broke, don't fix it. It's worked. You know. They told us Libya was a threat, They told us Asad was a threat. They told us they had weapons of mass destruction. They told us about babies and incubators. Okay, we fell for it every time because I guess we're maybe a little naive, maybe a little gullible. Maybe our heart is just you know, we want to help people. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's a combination of all of these factors. But it's time to just hit pause. It's time to just hit pause and say, you know what, maybe the debate is still alive, but we have to hit pause. We have to deal with our own problems. We got our own problems in this country. We got massive corruption. I mean, hell, we just had an open border for four years. Have we even properly dealt with yet? I don't think so. What about our own criminals here that have worked in government? The waste, the fraud and abuse. It's like, these are the things that need to be the priority. And that's why when it hit us, when it hit us, Caleb, it was like, Okay, we got some. Momentum, we got doze going. It's like, all right, you know, Okay, things. Are looking good, and then it was like, out of nowhere, here's the Middle East again. Like ow, it's like like like a semi truck hit all the momentum of MAGA two point zero, and it's like, here comes the Middle East again, here comes iron again, and it just it stalled the momentum. And then it's been downhill since you ended Doze. You called the Epstein files a hoax, And now here you are looking at the midterms and and you know, getting ready for a bloodbath. And I think we all know what happens if the Democrats take the House and especially the Senate. It's going to be impeachment. It's going to be impeachment across the board. And I think Trump has even been set up. Quite frankly, I don't trust these people around Donald Trump. I don't trust him. I don't know why he does. I think they set him up to be impeached. I think all of these strikes on these votes, maybe even the capturing of Maduro, who knows what else, I think they set him up for impeachment. I think they said, oh, mister president, this is fine. Other presidents have done it. Oh you have these presidential powers. And then I think the Democrats are going to come in and impeach him, and they're gonna say, you didn't vote. There was no congressional approval, there was no vote on this. This is all impeachable territory. That's kind of how I think this is going to go now. Interesting. I mean, I could definitely see that taking place. Do you think that might be one of the reasons Bongino left? You know, that's kind of a mystery. I have to say the Bongino thing is a bit of a mystery. Part of me wonders the good you know, the good hearted person in me actually kind of feels bad for him because he really seems like a different person. I mean, he quite literally seems like a different person. I'm not saying he's a clone or something, but I mean, as somebody that watched Bongino for years as part of my daily media routine, I don't anymore. I don't think his show is relevant at all anymore. But as somebody that's watched him, he does not have the same aura. He does not have the same attitude, he does not have the same confidence. He seems weak, he seems feeble, you know, I don't know. Maybe there's a health issue. Could there be a health issue there, Could there be a personal issue with his family life that maybe he needed to address and so he had to get out of the FBI. Those would be maybe the more positive things. It makes no sense to me, And I said this, I said this last year. I said, if Bongino goes, that's the canary in the coal mine. If Bongino leaves the FBI, then things aren't going right and it's not looking good for whatever the priorities are now. Of course, for whatever reason, Bongino is going to decide to be nothing but you know, a cheerleader for the Trump administration. For whatever reasons, that's obviously what he's decided to do. But I don't know. I wonder it's an interesting thing. Did he leave because he realized none of this was going to get done? Did he leave for other personal or private reasons. But nonetheless, he leaves kind of empty handed. And the one thing that would have been his big claim to fame was the January sixth pipe bomber, and that deal is starting to fall apart. That deal is starting to look like maybe they don't have the right guy either. So that's kind of a bit of a mystery of Bongino's departure. But I do think whatever is behind it, it's a bad sign. I think it's no doubt a bad sign. Sure. Now, one of the reasons I brought up Dan Bongino's is I want to introduce a discussion here in regards to Candace Owens, because I'm sure you saw it. We were talking about conservative influencers what they will or will not say oftentimes. In fact, I think we just have the evidence presented to us that a lot of them are paid to say specific things. We had. Candis owns she's doing this documentary about Erica Kirk hadn't come out yet. I haven't watched it yet. I'm sure you haven't watched it yet either, But every single conservative influencer, Dan Bongino included, he went off on her is all called swing her a demon. What are your thoughts about this? Well, let me just tell you what I have been calling out for about two years now. It's what I call digital influence campaigns. And I've got a pretty big X account. I do pretty well on X, and so I was brought into some of these circles. Let's say I was brought into some of these paid campaign opportunities a couple of years ago. I never did them. And but the money is money's not bad. I'll tell you it's tempting. The money isn't bad. And I don't blame I'm I'm I'm a free market capitalist. I don't I don't blame people for taking care of their bills. So I'm not. I'm not sitting in judgment of anybody, but obviously I was. You know, when you have an X account as big and influential as mine, you get invited to be a part of these digital influence campaigns. And so I've seen how it works. Now there's different ways. There's different ways these things go down. There's very direct marketing that will kind of promote a business or a company that might be going public with a stock or might be trying to boost their stock options. Those are pretty easily identifiable. Usually you'll see the stock in the actual post. Then there's things that are more just kind of politically based as far as policy, Like recently there was one with the Snap benefits. When there was that whole debate going on with the Snap benefits, there was a big money campaign to push a bunch of people that otherwise probably wouldn't support Snap, but they decided, oh, we do want to support Snap. That was a digital influence campaign. And then there's the ones that you're highlighting here, which are more of a personal attack based strategy where they kind of align the forces to attack a single individual and then they go. After the individual. Now, when this kind of first got introduced a couple of years ago, it was mostly campaign money and it was mostly helped get our guy elected. And so that's that's kind of how it was introduced to me. Yeah, that's maybe not as corrupt, right, It's a campaign people get pai to help people get elected whatever. It's kind of part of that process. Again, I never I never took any of these payments, but I know people that did. I know the money was good. And now what's what kind of happened after the election was some of these groups kind of re they kind of rebuilt the infrastructure with whatever was left to try to aim it into these new areas, whether it's you know, promoting a business, promoting a policy, or deciding to go after a single individual. So I can tell you one hundred percent with certainty that this stuff goes on and I called this out when I first got introduced to these circles a couple of years ago, because I thought people should know. I thought, you know, this is something you want to know. And the way I phrased it was when you're watching television or like you just went to your break, you see a commercial, you know, or you just talked about Mark thirty seven, it's like, hey, this is a product. They sponsored the show. This is a commercial. Here's the product, and so you know, there's no there's no subtlety there. You know what you're getting. But now social media has turned very commercialized. It's a very commercialized product. It's not as organic as it used to be. Now, I still think it's better than the old media, let's say, and I still think X is probably the best platform out there for my for my time and news consumption, but it is very commercialized, and so people kind of I said, hey, guys, just keep your eyes peeled, you're gonna start noticing these trends. Well, now it's very overt. Now it's very overt. It's very in your face. And I know that Cannas has caught Cannas has caught people doing this to her before I know with her previous employer, she was able to get some whistleblowers inside her previous employer to send her some emails and some internal stuff that showed that they had done this to her before. There was some stuff that got shared on social media, which I don't believe has been debunked. Nobody's claimed that it's fake. The stuff that I've seen, it looks like it's kind of in that format where they'll send an email to the group or they'll send a text to the group, and it'll kind of lay it out like that. But I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced that that is the real deal yet, but I will say nobody's denied it, nobody's debunked it. So because of that, I'm kind of thinking, well, maybe this is the real deal. Because it's formatted. When they send this stuff out to these groups, it's in a very similar format. It'll say, hey, here's the agenda or the target, the business, the product, the policy, whatever, and then it'll kind of give you a bit of a spectrum of how they want you to post about it. So it was kind of in the format the. Email or the message that's going around it seemed a little targeted more so, like I've never seen it where it's like, hey call this person a demon or something. I've never seen anything like that. So at first I was skeptical that it was real. But the fact nobody's denied it or debunked it, now I'm starting to wonder if I don't know, maybe it is. Now A couple of people have threatened lawsuits over these documents, but none have been filed as to my knowledge of today, And a lot of times what happens is people will threaten a lawsuit and then they don't want to file, either because it's expensive and or because they don't want to go through discovery because now you're giving the other party access to whatever they want in a discovery process. So that's just how these digital influence campaigns work. It's everywhere. Some of your big accounts on x engage in it. I think it's I think now once people kind of see it now, it's kind of easy to spot they have virtually the same message. It's virtually the same people. I mean, if you really dig into it, you can find out. Who's in these groups. It's you know, you can eventually figure it out now as far as the Candice Owens deal, I've not really dedicated much time to following her investigative analysis of this stuff, simply because one, the whole thing is so radioactive. I just don't even want to touch it. The whole thing is just so radioactive. I feel like you touch it, you're going to be glowing for months. And two, you know, my conclusion is, I've just kind of remained with the base conclusion that I don't believe the official narrative of the Charlie Kirk assassination. I believe it's completely impossible. And so let's wait and see what comes out in the court case. If if we even end up getting to the court case, we'll see. But let's see what ends up coming out of the court case, and then maybe I'll think about going into that radioactive territory. But I will say, and I don't know if this is the same experience for you, And I've had a little bit of pushback on this, so maybe my experience is different from my experience. You know, when I go out, I get I get I get recognized pretty frequently. I've got my I've got my social circles that know I. You know, they know what I do. They know I talk politics, so they'll just ask me. Those brings things to put it. To put it simply, I don't know how else to put that. They seem to be more on the Candace side of things, and it's not really close. Most people that this up to me seeming to be on the Candace side of things. I've had a little bit of pushback on that, people saying that they don't it's a little different, but that that's been my experience. But again, consistent things that I look at whenever I'm doing news, and it's if you see people panicking over something, that usually means they're scared, right with whoever is getting the most flack or whatever angle against a narrative is getting the most attack. Usually that means they're onto something. You know, you don't want to commit to that one hundred percent for obvious reasons. But it's like that's that's kind of the trend. That's kind of the trend here, and that looks like what's happening to Candace right now. But again I just look at it and I say, the narrative doesn't make any sense. It just it makes no sense, And so. Why would you be angry at the person who's who's trying to make sense of it the most. It's like, why why would that anger you? And if she was just backcrap crazy, then why would why would you care? Right? And so those are kind of the Those are the kind of things I look at with that coverage. I'm still in wait and see mode. I don't believe the official narrative. I think it's impossible. I want to wait and see what happens in this court case. Then I might touch that radioactive story and risk the glow factor for months that Candice Owens is pretty much she's pretty much consumed it. I don't know if she'll ever not be radioactive after this work and whatever she's going to do now with the Bride of Charlie docuseries she's doing. But at the end of the day, I think I placed the blame on you know, because I see Bongino. You mentioned Bongino. Dan, I say this, I'm like, Dan, the only reason Candace can do this is because you haven't convinced anyone. It's like, if the FBI wanted to convince people that it was a loan shooter or whatever, then you guys could have done that you didn't do that. You guys had one press conference, you didn't give any details, you didn't take one question. The official narrative is impossible, So what do you expect You expect us to believe nothing. You expect us to believe the impossible. So that's why. And I don't understand about the Dan Bongino angle. It's like, Dan, you had every opportunity to disprove Candice Owans. You had every opportunity to convince the American people that Tyler Robinson is the killer, and you didn't do it. So how can you be mad at people for not trusting the FBI? That is so incredibly well said right there, and I'm right there with you, Like the whole thing is radioactive. As you said, I've weighed in a little bit on my own show on my thoughts my beliefs. But yeah, it's wait till the trial, wait to see what comes out of it. The official narrative is obviously bunk. You know, the strongest bones, stronger bones the superman, Like anybody who's fired a rifle and knows that's impossible. It's ridiculous. But I did want to hear your take, and yeah, it's interesting. She's getting attact and for me, I don't even agree with everything Candace Owen says, But you know what. I appreciate her. I appreciate the fact that she's an investigator and no matter what comes her way, she's going to keep her nose to the grindstone. That's the kind of people that I want to listen to, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. Now, Owen, coming up to the end of the interview here, I've already had you have forty five minutes. But the last question I wanted to ask you is what are you seeing in the forecast? Like, what are maybe the three top issues that you think are going to come to America in the not too distant future. Well, the biggest thing is AI, and you kind of actually just hit it on, hit on it a little bit with your with your sponsor there. AI and the the data privacy issue, I think is something that we're not giving enough attention to. And there's a lot of different angles of this. There is the energy consumption, there is the water consumption that this whole thing is going to demand. We don't have it. We just we just simply don't have it. And it's a good thing that Trump is bringing them in next week, all these big tech leaders that are going to have all these data centers. Trump is bringing them to the White House next week and he's saying, here's the deal. You guys got to power your own data centers. Now, this could force us to go nuclear. I support that, So we'll kind of see how all of that plays out. Now. I'm not a luddite. I'm not against technological advancements. I think things can be used for good or bad. A hammer can be used to build a house, it can be used to bash somebody's head in. The hammer is not inherently evil, So I think you can. I think you can reach the same conclusion with AI, even though it's obviously way more advanced than a hammer. But here's my big concern. I think what I'm concerned about is we're moving way too fast. And when they're having these meetings, there's nobody in there that's a skeptic. There's nobody in there that's even against it. I'd like to have somebody in these meeting that hates AI. I'd like to have somebody in these meetings that's anti AI, skeptical of AI to at least try to have some balance, because the only people that are in these meetings are the government that's going to get massive power and control with it, and the business side, the corporate side that is going to get massive wealth over it. So they're not going to be pumping the brakes, you know, they're not looking to slow this thing down. They're just going for steam ahead and pedal to the metal. I don't like that. That that scares me. With something like AI, and we know, we know the potential dark potentials. We just had some AI expert do a study. Ninety five percent of the outcomes for the study he was doing, the AI ended up doing nuclear war. So it's like, hey, maybe we need to slow this down a little bit. But there doesn't seem to be interested in that. Here's something that needs to happen now, and I'm hoping, you know, maybe maybe we can get somebody's ear in Congress. I'm certainly going to continue to push this, so I think we have a chance to get this in front of Congress. We need a data protection bill, and I know you mentioned that company that kind of builds that into their technology. This is so important. I don't even I don't even know it's again it's it's another side of the AI issue of not letting it get control of the planet. We have to understand that everything we do, everything we say, everything we do on this phone, on our computer, every single thing is a data point. Now, they don't have the computing or the processing power to really manage this with an AI yet, but we have nuclear capabilities, we're getting close to quantum computing at a commercial level, and they're building data centers left and right, So I mean we're close. We're maybe five ten years away from this thing going active, and it'll be everything you do is a data point being fed into an AI system, punishable in a digital credit score grid. We cannot have that. We have to have data protection. We have to have a bill that gets in front of Congress that whatever I post, whatever I say, because it can record you, whatever. I like, whatever I share, all of it. None of this can be sold, bought and sold by private interest or government interest. It has to remain private. We need to get that bill in front of Congress. I don't see anybody stopping this AI drive. I just don't see it. So we have to be real about that. I do think we can get somebody to pass a bill in Congress to at least protect our data so that when they build this giant surveillance state, we're not already plugged into it with them using us like these data points that can eventually be used against us to turn off our car, turn off our energy, turn off our bank account. That's the one thing I think we can get ahead of here, and I think we have a very small window of time to do it. I think that's an incredible warning for the American public. And I'm sure you're going to go see the movie Mercy with Chris Pratt, because that's the kind of dystopian future that we could find ourselves under if we don't check this surveillance state and AI and Palanteer and all this stuff. So I love the fact that you ended the show with that, ow and I got to go ahead and close this out, but once again, I thank you for your time. I want to bring up your YouTube channel, Owen Schroyer. It's the own report. Chris is showing that to the audience right there. Go check this out, especially as. For as long as he's on YouTube, but he Owen's talked about his ex channel as well. Go check that out. Also. Oh, in any last words for the audience. America is still worth fighting for. Life is good, God is great, and so even though we may be fighting against dark, dark times right now, we always got to remember to enjoy life and love the good things all around us. Amen to that. Yeah, all right, I'm going to close this out. If you hold on one more minute post production to sayah, goodbyes. I appreciate it, but again, thank you for your time. All Right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. Owen Schroyer, as I said, one of the most important voices in America right now. I think you just heard that from the interview. A lot of topics that people will not discuss, and he, I mean I threw a lot at him and he had an answer to every single thing. So I highly recommend you go check him out YouTube own report because I want you to be informed and I want you to be pursuing truth, as I so often tell you on the show. Church and State is brought to you in part by Colonial Life, Spokane, Independent Agents, Finders Insurance, and Mark three to seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Collier. 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