Church & State -Toll and Roll is leading the American Revolution

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And with that introduction, thank you guys for joining us here on Church and State. Let's talk about tole n' roll and how we push back. Well, Caleb, first of all, thank you very much for having us on. The three of us are very thrilled to be here. We love what you do. We love to Church and State conversations. Toll n Roll is of one mission and one mission only. It's of by for the people, and it's about putting bureaucracy and government overreach back in the pockets where they belong, away from us. With that said, our mission is for the entire country to have its land records, court records, agency records audited for counterfeit, forged and perjured documents. And with that simple, it sounds hard, but it's not. They send their little crawlers in. It's they program the crawlers to pull out and extrapolate the information needed. And when I say they, one of our first meetings back a year ago May third, we met with DOGE and we handed them eleven and thirty six pages of evidence relating to counterfeit, forged and perjured documents as well as the patented software says in where it operates all the way up to the Department of Defense in secrecy for those counterfeit, purged and forged documents to exist behind the scenes, literally stealing our children, our parents, our land, and our lives and our freedoms. Our liberties are not only at stake, but most people do not realize how they've been stolen. So what toll Enroll does is we reset the foundation so that we have somewhere to build upon again. Just like two hundred and fifty years ago. That was where we were supposed to build our liberties from. But instead of building liberties, they get around. It's happened, and the corporate structure happened, And what happened was they've re enslaved us, one person at a time, one man, woman, child, one piece of land at a time. And therefore the people are back again two hundred and fifty years later to do the same thing. Taxation without representation was the founding problem right from the get go. We're sitting again where tariffs, taxation, church, everything's being attacked and it's our pocket books that they're in the pockets grabbing everything from. So with that said, it's that simple counterfeit, forged and perjured documents audited out of land court and agency records, and what you're seeing since we met with DOGE is I don't know how many have recognized, but in the last year ten months especially audits across this country have ripped up. So we know the investigations are going on. We know that DOGE in the DOJ, we have things under sealed with them. We have things going on behind the scenes with toll enrolled. We don't make public, but we can tell you there's investigations going on. They're extremely serious that even go to murder. So we have a lot of people who have been part of the toll and role communit unity in the background. We the faith is here. The three of us. Kirk, SHAWNA and I are three of the delegates that are DC delegates that actually represent every man, woman, child in this country and not only this country, but Caleb. What we are doing, because it operates all the way up to the Department of Defenses internationally around the world, resets our entire country through the international means. And it's not hyperbole. Everyone that's touched this. We're in sixty congressional offices right now. We pay off the national debt, we bring back the Office of protect which is up buying for the people that operates beside, not inside, beside the corporate structure. And I have a meeting in two weeks with one of the groups who I'm not going to give all their information because I it's too much, but just suffice it to say they have thirty seven states right now ready to go republic basically, and we're waiting for that knowledge. So with that, they needed a foundation because once you go and you separate and you truly are part of the republic. Aside from the corporate structure. People say, well, we need grand jurys, we need to do you know, not only grand jury's, we need to do posses for sheriffs, we need. Well, great, but if you don't have the foundation that's going to represent that, no matter how hard you try to do that, it's not going to happen. So Kirk, for instance, thirty years in law, he can tell you that it is a battle in these courts because they do not they the courts. The judicial warfare that exists now is a corporate structure. It's all about money, bonds, secrecy, secret societies, politicians who were puppeted. And so what toll en' roll said is in two thousand and seven, my journey started New York, Mellon. Shout out to you, Shout out to Orange County, California, San Diego, La and Riverside as the owners of the secure software system. Shout out to Kamala Harris, Obama and Clinton who started the Digital Act, because if not for all of those things combined together, toll 'n' roll would have not been in DC. Because without what I just said, we would have still had honor, transparency, and ethics inside our corporoms. So that's where Toll n'roll started. So, as the co founder with John Bloom, March seventh, Toll n' roll was founded. I found my ranch burned to the ground. I called John crying and he said, you know what, Billy, it's time to roll. And I said, yeah, the damages are tall, and John and all of a sudden we both kind of took a breath in and it was we're tolling and rolling. The damages are tolling, So we're rolling. And we did shortly after that eight thousand miles across the country. Six more trips after that, and now we have two faces that are joining me today that have rounded out our delegation. So thank you for letting me introduce toll Enroll and I'm so looking forward to you hearing from SHAWNA and Kirk as well. But for the country, no that, whether you realize it or not, the three faces here represents you. The rest of us behind the scenes represent you, and there's hundreds of whistleblowers, thousands of advocates, and millions of victims standing on our shoulders. So thank you. Caleb yeah, No, I got to tell you, I love that introduction. It's grassroots. It's exactly what's needed. As a Biblitarian as I refer to myself or a Christian libertarian. I really hate when somebody says the government ought to the government ought to do nothing, get out of it and screws everything up. And so I like the grassroots aspect of this. Now you're talking about, you know, these documents that are in courthouses all across America that have stolen our kids, stolen our property. Can you give some like applications of what that would look like. I want to take this conversation to where your average person can look at and say, oh, this was a case that maybe I remember, or if this happened to me, I would get really angry. Can you can you give us some examples of that. I'll give you two Right now, I'm dealing with a woman who had her home stolen. Actually, she last week called me suicidal, so emotions are un high in this. What she was suicidal over was that counterfeit documents have been put into the case, and perjury had been committed, lying about everything to do with her land records. The deed that was filed was done without power of attorneys, stripping her of her deed, and Shauna can tell you all about that. Second, you have children who have cps show up and their documents that they record and that they write upon will say mother was beating the child and or father was inappropriately the child said father touched her or him inappropriately, when none of that actually happened. Now people go, oh, that can't be true. No, those documents are just a sample of what goes into the courts and into agency records, and it's all about procedure. So if they get a document that checks the box off for taking that child out of a home, if they can prove without any evidence, just the word of an attorney because he is a court officer, so normally the judges will believe them no matter what the party who knows it's not true says. And instead of us defending our children, we end up defending our lives because of the lies in these documents. And they can be recorded anywhere. These can be your city council. As you know, Caleb, someone can go out and put a ticket on a house and say this house is going to be condemned because its water system isn't working properly, the electricity is about ready to cause the house to burn down, and the homeowner could literally be saying, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, where did this come from? Right, there is nothing wrong with the house or wrong address, or your neighbor down the street who's mad at you because you parked in front of their house, So they decide to turn you in for child abuse on an anonymous line. And that document of anonymous false accusations now turns your life into a living Tasmanian health. So when and I say it's that simple, it is even easier than that. And in order for those documents to have any kind of accountability and responsibility, what we say is, and if you'll watch across this country you'll hear domestic violence, domestic terrorism. Domestic terrorism is what is a label that allows for the Patriot Act to kick in? Think about this, and when that is done, your home can literally be invaded without a search warrant, without anything. And so we have to be really conscious of the fact that the bureaucrats and the lobbyists across this country know the game. They know that it doesn't matter if they're lying on a document because then if it goes into the court, the court is going to presume that document's real until it's proven faulty. And even when you have the evidence that that docum is faulty, the judge, then without a jury, will opine without expert opinion. By the way, he will not only be the judge, jury and witness, but people play expert witness when it comes to child psychology, when it comes to insurance, when it comes to finances. So you have a problem that we have a major problem that any document in creation of fraud we a toll en roll. Say, this proposed bill, the People's Remedy and Restoration Act, requires a national emergency to audit these records, and anyone found guilty of counterfeit, forgery, perjury is a domestic terrorist committing domestic violence, which is also treason against this country. You will not have people making anonymous phone calls of which false accusations are created, when that can truly be tracked right back to them. I don't care if you make an anonymous they know where that phone call came from. They can track you down. So guess what, I think. We're going to have people thinking long and hard before they destroy somebody else's life, because this country has gotten to the point where there's no accountability and you can say whatever you want on social media because there's nothing You're not in someone's face, you're in their space. And what does the constitution say about press pass about our boundaries, about our sovereignty? So, Kirk, I'd like you to chime in now, you and Shauna and give a piece of this because I know I'm going to stop and turn it over. All right. Well, thank you for having me on here with you folks today. Caleb, I've never really seen your stuff before. I will definitely look into your stuff a little bit more given what you've got going on here, and again, appreciate being providing this platform for us to be on. Just kind of a brief background. I'm founder of Kirch Lack Corner. Been studying law history of law since nineteen ninety five. I was also the child in nineteen eighty five that was kidnapped by CPS of State of Washington for my mother and family. Broke up my whole family. So I have a little bit of experience with corruption and learned at a very young age that they are corrupt, they lie, they steal, they cheat. In nineteen ninety five, you know, I was subjected to the corruption myself. So I made a. Vow to God sitting in the jail cell, that I would start studying law so that I wouldn't get screwed like that again. I never thought that it would turn into, you know, founding my own LLC and providing education and news to people. Never thought it would get this far into my life and take over my whole life. But here we are, and this is what I've studied and learned. And to kind of bring people back to the beginning of all this, let's look at the Declaration of Independence. Those are declared acts of tyranny. Okay, so one of them being subjecting us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, unacknowledged by our law, and given his assent to their pretended acts of legislation. So in essence, what are they actually talking about there? They're talking about the Roman civil law or the ancient civil law of the Roman Empire. Or Roman law, the code. So that's all the pandemics and the code and all this stuff. That's the foreign jurisdiction. We're supposed to have. The laws of nature and common law as our fundamental law, not Roman civil law. And this was all brought in and changed starting actually even earlier around eighteen eighteen eighteen forty five with New York and California, and then through the Reconstruction Acts of eighteen seventy one, it was basically fully implemented through Congress. Is this Civil Law or Code of Civil Procedure Act, altering the fundamental law from common law to the Roman civil law, which is all orchestrated and perpetrated by members of the Bar, these foreign agents to the Crown. These are the foreign invaders. They've invaded all aspects of the three branches of government, hijacked our form of government, altering our form of government. Now we have what's called the administrative state under the Administrative Procedures Act, which was all presented by the Bar in what was it nineteen forty I think it was nineteen fifty six. Somewhere around there. The Administrative Procedures Act, which transfers to power from the legislative branch to the executive branch, where all these members of the Bar are sitting behind every single executive agency, which goes back to the Decoration of Independence, directing a multitude of new offices sending hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. So like CPS or like EPA, like FBI, all these different executive agencies or non governmental organization is in all this bucratit craft. That's non elected officials who we can't necessarily hold responsible directly because oh, you've got to go over here and you've got to do this, all this stuff that subverts the constitution and due process of law, that they can strip us of our rights and turn them into privileges, and it's all regulated right like we're in commerce or something. That's you know, that's the altering fundamentally our form of government, which is also the declared active tyranny and the Declaration of Independence. So it's like they're using the Declaration of Independence as a checklist of things to do instead of things. Not to do. And that is a very very good document to. Go read to. You know, just read those declared acts of tyranny and then compare those what our founders were saying back then to what's going on today. And so this is where we're at. We're exposing this stuff, and you know, with my historical background and research. I'm presenting the facts of history of we've already been here, not once, not twice, but at least three or four times all throughout history, even going clear back to four hundred PC. So how far back in history do we want to go as a repeat right? And Biblically, you know, God tells us that my people shall perish for lack of knowledge. And if anyone reads the Rules. For Radicals by Sololenski, there's eight different points in there, and one of them being too dumb down society is to take over the education. And so we've been so far dumbed down that we have no knowledge of God's law, the laws of nature, and what God, you know, as our creator, endowed us with this sovereignty. We are the sovereign in our own. Rights, and we what we create, such as our children, we're sovereign over those. Whatever we create, we are the sovereign, including government, because we, the people, create government. The instrument of government is in fact the Constitution itself. So they have stripped us of our powers and our rights and turned them into privileges, and they call them civil rights, when we're supposed to have natural rights and political rights, not civil rights, because that's Roman civil law, and those are privileges that are granted by the king and you know, can be regulated, it will get granted and taken away. You know, we no longer have primary, fundamental, absolute rights that are set in stone. But I am seeing within the court system now they're starting to go back to that what the way it's supposed to be the standard review is history and tradition and getting away from well, what's the statute, what's the case law saying? Now they're going back to history and tradition. And I believe it's based off of Trump's proclamations re establishing the rule of law, law day and those kinds of things. Executive orders going after those involved in serious human rights. Abuse and corruption worldwide. That would be Executive Order one three eight one eight, the recent executive order from April twenty eighth of twenty twenty five bringing the military into the States to eradicate all crime. Section five. That executive order specifically points and directs to public servants. So things are happening. This is a military operation. I've covered this stuff since December, you know, when that first executive order came out December twentieth twenty seventeen. I started covering this stuff in September of twenty seventeen. I've explained this stuff over and over through my several podcasts. Back in the day, there was three nights a week, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. My partner Christopher Hallett, ask. You, Kirk, please, when you talk about Chris, we need to get on Shauna because we only have limited time. So go into Chris and then transcend if you can into Shawna. Please. Yeah, Christopher Hallett, and we know we worked on doing what at that time we called a petition of remonstrance. But since then I've learned that there's a distinction between a petition and a remonstrance. But the fact is this was done to Congress in twenty seventeen, and then E Clause was created by the consent of Congress. We were challenging the bars of monopoly cannot license the practice of law and reporting on the corruption in the judicial branch. And so that's how Christopher got e Clause started by the Consent of Congress as loss prevention for the government of the United States of America, and it was essentially DOGE before DOGE was ever created. So through this process, the right to petition the legislature, the legislative branch for the redress of grievances first Amendment, and every single state constitution will tell you have the right to petitioned the legislature for your redress a grievances. Then this particular secondary petition of remonstrance that was filed is where toll and roll and everything all of this is coming from. And so that was done in twenty nineteen. Chris was murdered in November of twenty twenty, so things kind of fell apart and I wasn't contacted about this stuff, so nobody really knew that I was Chris's right hand man and I had some of the same knowledge that Chris had up until recently. I'm like, hey, I found this stuff. I'm like, holy, this is the stuff that we were working on. And so I've been brought in. I flew out to DC the very next morning after I talked to these folks here and yeah, getting right in the middle of this and picking up where Chris and I left off. So here we are going after the bad acts in government and instructing our representatives in government now sixty different offices and many you know, many different senators and representatives are on board with this stuff. We're already in there. This is that we're not trying to get in the door. We're already in the door. There's already legislation being drafted, seven different bills connection to DOGE demanding investigations. Those investigations are happening, as a Billy pointed out earlier. So with that, I will turn that over to. I can't agree to me. Sorry, yeah, here in Shana, we will. We're gonna have like a heartbreak coming up fairly soon. But don't worry. We will come back to you. But but please start and I'll have to break in. But that's just the nature of the beast. Go ahead, I. Start off the morning to America that we are in a constitutional crisis at this very moment. So I don't believe in coincidences. My name is Sewna. I've been a public notary for twenty three years for the state of Ohio. I recently met Billy. I had heard about total n Roull prior to Billy reaching out to me, and I was so blessed when she reached out to me because I do not believe in. Coincidences at all. And so I'm just gonna I'm going to back up a minute, and I'm going to kind of go in between both Billy and. I guess I'm in the same, but you are, Kurt. I'm going to go in in between, and I'm going. To say I have always loved the history of the Constitution of the Declaration of Independence. I have studied in college, I took some law classes. But when it comes. Down to it, the Constitution states that every me, as a notary, I have to have my oath and bond filed with the Secretary of State. Otherwise I am acting without authority. And I know that we've all heard that, like go for the bond thing, but I need to let everyone know what is going on in the judiciary is the Secretary of State is no longer holding bonds. In fact, what they are doing is allowing the judges to go in in a county poll and it is stripping us up. Donna, I got to cut you off here. We have the heartbreak, But ladies and gentlemen, for the NRBTV network, we are going to come back. We're going to finish this It's a really important conversation. Ladies and gentlemen. I want all of you to be a walking billboard. 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Won't say what the amendment is, but the judges now can hold their own bond, and if the clerk wants to give it to you, they will. If they don't, oh well, they are now. Putting in self paid polls, which is stripping us over our right to investigate, to actually go and file a complaint, and being a public notary. I'm going to tell you that the bond and oath are constitutional. Without them, we don't have authority. So what tole n Role is actually doing. When Billy and Kirk are both talking about the foundation, they are laying the foundation. Out for us to be able to get where we. Need to go as Americans, to get back to the people's power, we have to have that foundation. A total Role has laid that completely out. And I am blessed beyond anything I could even say with Tolen Role, because I am so shocked at the amount of detail that these guys have put in how dog is actually when you've watched and you see what's going on and certain things that are being implemented, you know it is coming from what the literal has done. Excellent. Well, I got to tell you everything that you're discussing here, you're painting a pretty bleak picture for these United States. Like I've already know, and I've already had a lot of issues with what's currently going on, regardless of administrations. I will throw many under the bus. You know, George Bush was not much different than Barack Obama. We'll just throw that out there right there. But you're talking about the government has weaponized that, They've created law fare, and they are coming for individual citizens and they're creating stories about people. People are having their kids taken from them, and they're getting their property taken from them, and you guys have developed a system that you're fighting back and you're being successful. And it's not even a fight. What's the easiest part of this is we're coming forward saying, look, we know what you did. You know, we know what you did, and now you know we know you know. So we're going to go forward and we're going to put a line in the sand that says this is where we fix it. Get on with your bad selves on your corporate side. Remember, we are the creditors for giving the debtors and paying off the national debt, as well as taking care of the victims, taking care of insurance or the retirement funds which are completely stripped right now because of the securitization, and anything left over a check is cut to each and every American born man, woman, child, even the baby. While that wed inch gets wet and is put on that line. Any child born at that time is part of that. And I can tell you, Caleb, we'd have had this looked at when Doge saw the evidence hand delivered last April, almost a year ago. Now, Matt walked in with our big binders, which you can see in the pictures on our website, and the gentleman that was our first contact saw the affidavit of remedy and it laid these things out. One remedy for the people, the victims. Number two, the replenishment of the retirement funds. Number three, pay off the national debt. Number four h keeck to each and every American born, man, woman, child. And that is not just a check for a tariff two thousand dollars that we keep hearing about. This is hundreds of trillions of dollars in fines, fees, and lifetimes in prison that are ready and laying on the table right now. Caleb, if I told you to go in your kitchen and you had a million dollars on the table, how fast would you be off screen? I can disappear right now. Yeah, they're right. So when we gave this to Doge, we said, what are you waiting for? You guys are making all these I talked to the one of their administrators when we were first starting out, and I said, you know, we're watching television. You guys are up there bragging about a million dollars here point to there. Guess what we're laughing at you On the table are hundreds of trillions of dollars. Quit the theater, just come on and get it done. And when we walked into their offices and we sat around them, now not just once, multiple times, the first question is what you're waiting for? What you're waiting for? You can do these audits across the country. Nick Sureley can go in and find some Allians who have done this or done that. They couldn't have done it without counterfeit, forged or purture documents. They couldn't have done it if our government hadn't opened the door or their state governments to allow that procedure to happen. So there are hundreds of trillions of dollars in fines and fees, those lifetimes in prison. Somebody's got to go. But like a gentleman Lewis Herms who's running for governor in California, he said, you know what I like about your guys's bill, Billy, It draws the line in the sam and says we can we can, you know, negotiate here. You don't want to go to prison. Now, guess what that line is done? You do it again after that document's wedding signature. We're not only going to send you to jail, but counterfeiting and pirating our hanging offenses, they're treason. They're in the Constitution. By the way, Now, the Constitution doesn't say hanging. The Constitution basically says that they at the discretion. Right. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I think hanging. We're starting to hang pedophiles. Why don't we hang the treason this, you know, whattters who are violating our religious rights, our liberties, and stealing everything we own. Toll En rules mission is to return things. Go ahead, Kirk. The other one is death by firing squad under court martial. Yeah, I was anybody. Raising their hands them, I'm aware of that one. Out there we go. Yeah. I also a Marine corvette, so I can appreciate that. You guys must be really popular with the bureaucrats in DC. Like I imagine as they see you guys walking in the door, there's a lot of this going on, like, don't make eye contact. Actually, you'd be surprised. We go in and because we're old, I mean we're all older. I mean we may not look as old as we feel half the time. But we go in and Tom can't even hardly walk, So it's like, can we just sit down for a second. The next thing, you know, would you like it? Would you like a soda? Would you like some water? And we start talking to them as grandparents and parents would talk. Because they're young. The staffers at the front desk, we say, pull up our website, see who we are. Then we open and engage in conversation. Most of them are law students. Those are very interesting conversations. I had one young lady. I said, you know, I'm going to tell you what I'm a be at grandma right now. Honey, you're getting a law education. But let's talk about where that's going to take in a few years. Because tot n Roll's goal is to shut down the bar. We shouldn't have. There is no license to practice law. You may believe there is, but there isn't. So what we want you to do is learn real law. We want you to learn how to protect the property. And you know, let's start talking to the governors and the Northwest Ordinance of seventeen eighty seven, which gives the governors the duty to protect our property, which includes our children, our parents, our land, our homes. And you know what, I have yet to meet anyone who was running for governor that actually knew the job title. And I don't know about you, Caleb, but if you're going to go look for a job, shouldn't you know what it is when you're signing up to do it? You would think so, I mean, this is I got to tell you, this is one of my favorite questions. I've interviewed a lot of politicians over the years, and one of my favorite questions to ask them right off the bat is what is the purpose of government? And you get so many weird responses, and it's like, it's simple, guys, it's right in the Declaration. It's to secure our rights. I mean, that's how I'll give you the answer for any future politicians I may be interviewing. Just hit me with that secure our rights boom A plus you're going to get support. But it's amazing how many people don't know this stuff. Especially the ones running for the office to do the job. Steve Hilton, you know all of them. We interviewed Matt and I back in November on kim Yeaters, you know, and doctor Frank's moderated the debates, and the first question we said is would you be willing today to accept the role and accept the duty of working with tolen Roll to audit the land records of this state and the court records and hold accountable anyone who's committing counterfeiting, forgery and perjury. And the first question we asked them, though, was are you willing to do the job of the governor and do you know what that job is? And you know, none of them opened up with, yall, my job is to protect the people and the land and the propert in the state. No. They opened up with, my job is to make sure there's no waste. My job is to And I was like, and it was embarrassing actually, because I never expected them to not know the job they were aligned for. And literally, when Steve Hilton stood up to walk away, he pivoted back and he said, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question. And I said, well, sir, it was obvious because you couldn't answer it because you said, I don't know, I don't know about enough about that topic. Because what are they told when they're running for office? There are people behind say only answer ABC, this is how you answer it. Well, when you ask them a question they haven't been practicing, they have to say, I don't know. I'll have to get back to you on that. And the question is why would you have to question a very simplicity. I think a lot of that. You're absolutely right, and Kirk will go to you in a second here. But I'm a big ninth and tenth Amendment advocate. I love competition between the states, and so as I'm kind of rolling through this in my head, the first state that'll actually do what you guys are talking about will become the most competitive state in the entire Union. People will be moving there in droves. Now I'm not holding my breath. I'm in Washington State, You're in California. We're kind of out. We're already out. We're not doing this. We's Caleb. This is what we've been asked to do. I was contacted to write state specific bills or referendums. Is what they're called, a state specific referendum per fifty states that will go on top of the People's Remedy and restoration that's federal. So right now, our team is in the middle of finalizing for Georgia, Massachusetts, Oregon, California, Minneapolis, Florida. I did say Florida. So we've got about ten of them right now, Idaho states that we have been heavy in for the last since twenty nineteen. And these are going to be state specific bills that actually are implemented as a referendum to do exactly what the federal bill would do. And you know why they have that's important is because we said to all of these governors across this country and all the ags and all these representatives, if the states do not do this, they give up the stake to the claim of the criminal and civil penalties. They will stay with the federal civil and criminal collections. So the states are silly not to work with us, because if you have hundreds of trillions of dollars on the table and you're a state that keeps wanting to tax and tax and tax, there should be no tax. And this literally this bill allows for enough collection for generational wealth, for the health, wealth and well being of each state. So we say, all of y'all out there in every state, work with tol role. Let's get each state their referendum, and let's get it. You don't need Senate and congressional approval to do this. The people can do this. We simply bring it and we say in the state, the people want the California the Florida People's Remedy and Restoration Act, in where we will audit the records, we will give the victims remedy, we will replenish our state's retirement funds, we will pay off all of our state's debt, and anything left in our state will go to our Californians. Our Nevadians are Idahoans. They will go to the people. Or you don't do it, and we finish in federal level with the state and or with the Senate and the congressional members. And guess who starts collecting the funds? Do the DOJ These are collected, even though they're still going to go to the people. The state no longer gets a claim to the funds. It's a big deal. Yeah, if you think about it that way. No, that is very interesting. I mean, you're talking about no taxes. You got this libertarian salivating. I'm gonna have to like wipe my chin over here. It's it's getting wild in here. There shouldn't be taxes. There shouldn't be you're right, absolutely, Kirk, you would I wanted to interject and I and I cut you off, but please tell me what you wanted to say. Well, now that's a couple of things. But back to kind of what bility they're talking about, the governor stuff. At least the governor would have. If a governor has the integrity to admit they don't know and they go say they were going to go look at it, that's integrity. In my mind, they at least admit they don't know something. But those they're like, oh, well, you don't know what you're talking about and try to you know, pawn it off. No, no, So in my mind that's a sign of integrity at least admitting they don't know something and they will. Go look, we just need to follow up with that. But the key is Article. Four, Section four, and this is what people need to comprehend about our republican form of government and who has what powers. See, the thing is, is it protect us from well, first, to guarantee a republican form of government. Two, to protect us from foreign invasion. Three to protect us from domestic violence. Real domestic violence is about internal insurrection, an attempt to overthrow the Constitution. And war against the people. Not this Domestic Relations and the Violence Against Women and Children Act of nineteen ninety five. That's all fraud. Congress had no authority to redefine what domestic violence is pursued Article four, section four. But here's the key part. It says on application of the legislature or the executive if the legislature cannot be convened. For domestic violence. Now we have Texas v. White. This specifically states that the president, only acting as commander in chief, has the power to set up provisional government pending the outcome of the war. Luther versus Bordon is the one that specifically says about domestic violence. Percentargical four section four. Is about internal insurrection. That's the public servants who are altering the fundamental law or a form of government and then sending hither them swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out our substance. Now, the key part of this is it is Luther versus Borton. It is a political argument, not a judicial one. This does not go to the judicial branch. The judicial branch does not have subject matter jurisdiction. When we're talking about internal insurrection. Which is exactly what we're going through right now, which I previously explained about Trust's executive order setting the military. That's the executive that Article four, section four refers to Second Amendment, a well regulated militia being necessary for the security. Of a free state. That's what that ties to. And the power properly belongs to the executive as the commander in chief to defend this nation as you and I, Caleb and I both have taken this oath to protect us and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That relates to Article four, section four and the power of the commander in chief. Now, remember the people, or I should say, the militia is composed of the body of the people themselves Virginia Declaration of Rights June twelfth, seventeen seventy six, which is actually one of the four founding documents of this nation called America. Then you have Articles Confederation, which specifically states that the people, the body of the people is the militia, the militia is the body of the people, and the Second Amendment it will regulated militia being necessary. The regulated militia is the military, both state and federal. Then the second part of the Second Amendment, which goes back to the original intent and who has what. Power is the right of the people to keep. Embarronment shall not be infringed because the people are supposed to be well armed to defend us from what tyranny from them hijacking our rights and our powers. And we retain the right and the power to alter, reform, or abolish anything at any time we deem it necessary. It's not only a right you read the Declaration of Independence, it is a duty of every America to take off arms and defend this nation from foreign or domestic. Terrorists. We want to use terrorists over there, but their enemies. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Sean, I saw you raising your hand. I assume you want to interject as well here and then once you respond, I'm going to bring up the website right after you say what you have to say. I want to follow right with what Kurt was just saying. In nineteen ninety two, the US versus WILLIAMS. Scillias stated, the fourth branch of the government is. We the people, and so we when we see that we are being stripped of our constitutional rights and the courts have become a weapon that is aimed directly at the people, our children, our inheritance, our land. It is our duty as a public notary. The only oth I took was to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. I had no other one. So these administrative states have now buckled down into county bar associations and they are digging deeper and deeper and deeper into the intrenchments of the Constitution. And they are completely I mean like new process does not exist in a court of equity, which is an important approviate court does not exist. Yeah. No, very very well said. So I want to bring up your website here for everyone. I want the audience to go to tollendrole dot com. It's a great website, so many different resources you can obviously there's a lot of education here as well. But you have a new declaration of independence for twenty twenty five. But please, whoever wants to take this, walk us through the website and tell the audience why they should get very familiar with it. Okay, Well, first of all, the website you'll see and this when you say the new declaration of independence, we're now saying twenty twenty six because we're in twenty twenty six. People get the wrong idea what that means. We're not saying new Declaration of Independence. What we're saying is new in the fact that we're honoring it. That's where the new comes. In the People's Remedy and Restoration Act. You can go to the website. You'll see it says donations. Believe me, we are grassroots. So what's funny and you probably know, Caleb, when you're grassroots, no one gives money. And the people who want to help you are all the people who are victims whove had everything stolen. And then we have a bio page with our documents, the document page. If you can click on that for me, that would be great. Let's click first on the documents page. It says documents and bios. All right, well, we'll get that pulled off. Back are there we go documents, files and convoy delegates bios. What you're going to find here is you're going to find you're going to find the bios. You're going to see where that says scanned to see exhibits. That's the original binder documents that went to DOGE in April twenty twenty. That binder also went to the Supreme Court. It also went to multiple offices. Doge the Judiciary got it. We had a meeting with the Senate Judiciary. Grassley's office was originally very very active with us, and then we had Captor's office Congresswoman Captor, who was extremely big and going against Mers thirteen years ago. They were very interested in what we had. So what you see there's the petition of remonstrance one in two and then you have the amicus brief and the spreadsheet. Those were the original filings of Chris Hallett's help with Valerie nafe Lori cole rest in Peace, her and Chris Hallett. Those documents originally got filed into California first and into Powers versus Bank in New York Mellon. Then you're going to see we have other documents that have to do with the Northwest Ordinance of seventeen eighty seven. That Northwest Ordinance also has a white paper that explains how in that time it was written, Judges judiciary was not to be involved in land records. It was commissions. It was commissioners, and that was the duty of the governor to make sure that he had land offices and commissioners who oversaw the land records, not judges. Judges were not to participate. But what happened is since that was created, magistrate morphed into a judge. So they took word trickery from commissioners when it was first founded, and then they started calling a magistrates. And then of course you could trick people in court saying, oh, we have a magistrate and judge now involved in your land in your land records. So they were never supposed to be involved. Your land commission was supposed to oversee, and your local law enforcement, your district attorney, should be your first stop when a crime is committed against you. It's not a courtroom. That's not criminal, the criminal court. The criminal is your DA, your sheriffs, your police. They refuse to investigate and call it civil. That is because of all the funds that are being made through the county and the state and the federal government. Who is the actual party of interest with the bar, the bar's third party contracted. We have the evidence of all of this with the government in order to hide that they are representing Fanny made Freddie Mack in these foreclosures. The document is in our binders. It clearly states that that is they're contracted. These law firms are contracted to hide the fact that they're actually stealing these homes for a government agency, not the banks, not servicers. They're taking your children the same way. So you can just take child pair, house land and put them in the same category. Because although we've been tricked into believing they're all separate, they're still all property. It's just we've been tricked. So you go down, you scan further. You saw our bios are in there. The bios are on all of our delegates. I want you to stop when you get to Rod Classes picture Road. Class is forty there he is. Rod Class is forty five years in law. Rod Class has eighteen sealed cases against the government. He's won cases. They will not let them be released. But of course he's still on work. He's got about eight cases open now. He's on our team. He is the only man that we know of in these United States that has the Congressional seal for bounty hunting and private attorney general. So we have some of the best legal minds on our team. Christopher Pinkerton, Kirk, SHAWNA. Rod. These are people who have legal backgrounds I read Rickenback. She is Rickenbach, she is a law students, she graduated law. So you can see when you go down there's kirk that on that page alone. You have to read the documents because they give you the foundation of how this all came to be and how we went from a petition of remonstrance our grievances to the notices of dereliction of duty basically for violations of emoluments, which is they get a paycheck to do this. If you're getting a paycheck to do a job and your in violation of your duty, your in violation of your moluments, you're also in violation of your charters. A charter is nothing more than a contract or a foundation of how you run your business. Correct, the Constitution is a charter. Well, if you violate the charter, you violate your state charters. Also, the bar members are in violation of their charters because they stand in order to get their indemnification under insurance, their insurance carriers say they have to swear that they have a licensed to practice law. Well, there is no license to practice law. Therefore, not only the in violation and in perjury, but they are in violation of every case they've ever sat on in around in a court of law. We also know that when these barcard carriers walk into the court, they are not representing you, they are not representing the people, They are not representing anything other than that court. That's it. So if you go to the other pages, this is this is the page that starts it all, then you'll see we have the bill is on You can go up there and there should be a page that says a bill, the People's Remedy and Restoration Act is under that and seven additional bills underneath that. The reason it has seven additional bills is because we had a senior staff attorney who actually, within five minutes of having our documents in front of him, looked at us and said, you've covered every thing. He said, but the problem is you're meeting with staffers who don't have a clue what you're talking about. And I said, you know, that's an interesting topic and I'm going to leave it with this. On that one, we should not be as whistleblowers, victims, professionals, experts in fields being put in an office with children who are twenty years old, not even knowing their job, learning how to operate computers in the office. And that is not only a dereliction of that Congressman, that senator's duty to the people to hear us. Those are gatekeepers. We do not deal with gatekeepers. Our sixty offices have direct senior staffers involved. Congressman Higgins himself promised us to do everything he could to help us get this bill recognized. He didn't say sponsored, but he didn't say he wouldn't sponsor it. And when we spoke to Session's office this last week, they said, well, I thought Higgins was answering this congressman out of New Jersey, Congressman Drew I believe is his last name. I may be saying it wrong. We had a nice long walk to his office, Tom and I with him, and we talked about FEMO, we talked about violations in the court. We walked into his office. He said, you know, I'm really sorry I can't meet with you personally right now. But he told the girl at the desk, he said, take these take this binder, make sure it gets to the right people, and they follow up. Get these people a meeting. Okay, this is what we're being met with. These congressmen, these senators they know what we have is real, but you I they also know that they answer to lobbyists and the anterest to bureaucracies that will strip them. So Congress our Senator Grassly, the interesting thing about his office is very quickly his top donors are Wells Fargo, Blue Cross, Blue Shield. Yeah, you're starting to see. We're going into the very people and the entities of which these counterfeit forged to perjure documents affect for liability, responsibility, and accountability, so they do not Who doesn't want this to pass? Your lobbyists, your bureaucrats, your child molesters, your international politicians and offices, because they know damn well that God brought toll enroll the most haphazard group of people you could imagine, who are just seriously grandparents, victims, ourselves whistleblowers, by the way, we are registered whistleblowers, recognized with DOGE and the judiciary's whistleblowers. Knowing that where this ends up is the Department of Defense because they have to intercede. But we also know that we the people, each of us in each state of these United States, can get this passed without the bureaucrats, without the legislators because we can merely bring it to petition and get it on the ballot and vote it in. If you're someone out there and you're watching this and you don't believe me when I say there's hundreds of trillions of dollars to collect, do you know one of the gentlemen I talked to, I said, so, let's say there's one hundred trillion leftover, maybe even a trillion. We have what three hundred and fifty million people in this country. You math majors out there, start doing a little bit, because I can tell you there's going to be about one hundred trillion leftover. How much would that be per man, woman, and child? Do you think you need snap? Nop. We don't need any of that nap, We don't need Medicare snap, we don't need these insurance companies snap, we don't need any of this bureaucracy because the people are back in control. That's what tol n roll is about. That is it. That is our foundation. And for all of these glurus and everybody out there that wants to do this on your own, we are you. You are us, You're part of what we do, and the numbers of people contacting me now who we've dealt with over the last eighteen years of my life, having everything my family owns stolen through these counterfeit, forged and vergured documents, swat teams, judges acting out. They all say, oh my gosh, Billy, you brought us with you, and I'm like, you betcha RIRs guy. He said, you took what I gave you. I said, of course we did, because guess what, I don't know this stuff. I learn this stuff because of my experience. But I also learned this stuff because of the hundreds of people behind us. We as individuals, even our delegates. We're the first ones to tell you, why the heck would you come to us to help you with a court case? We lost everything we own. Why the heck would you ask us for advice on a court case other than to tell you do everything you can, get everything documented, and support the People's Remedy and Restoration Act. Call your congressman, call your senators. Make noise. Shauna is taking over our social media and our promotions. SHAWNA, you want to talk a little bit about that in our campaign for the postcards real quick? Yeah, So we're going to start a couple of things. One of the things that I am looking forward to the most is having all the delegates and their states that they're at actually do a meet and greet with. The public, go through. Some of the cases that we've been working on and what to loneral is and talk about the people's remedy, and get the representatives. And local you know, I think we're politician, you know, but. Bring some of ours in so that they can actually start to learn. Because right now, one of the greatest things I can tell you is that we should never have an elected official. Cannot as a civil test. Amen. No constitution says they got no right in. The Yeah, I'm one percent with you. Uh we need well. I mean it's almost like idiocracy like has come true. Like our politicians are just as dumb as as the vast majority of the people are. So what would she what would we expect is. That we're gonna get represented by a bunch of imbeciles who do not know the constitution. Right, but we know the one stuff will run process. We're gonna have some like I said, we're gonna start doing. I would love to see all of us delegates be in our home states and just have a meet angry, bring in our representatives and just really start teaching again the fundamentals of the Constitution and the right of the people. And then also we're gonna have some merch store. We're gonna have a merchandise stores. Stuff that I go up on the website. There's a lot of things in the move we're going to get up on to xt so we can start holding some spaces on Instagram. I'm really super excited about just getting the word out there. Excellent, and we have. A postcard campaign right now, and it's on that page that you were originally we went onto with the toll n roll story and basically for seventy six dollars, if you go to let's see, it's the second to the last link, I believe at the top, second to the last one. If you go to that link right there, yep, go down, go down. There's great videos there. Everybody go to this page. But that picture right there, the one with the fireworks, and then that the photo or the video underneath it explains it. But basically what it is is we have postcards. Let me get everyone out here ready to go, and this postcard on the front has us people in every lane. And what that represents is we have every lane covered in toll Enroll, APFCPS, guardianship, PROBA, deed fraud, child trafficking, human trafficking. On the back, we have our up there we go, we have our two hundred and fifty years the People's Remedy and Restoration Act TECH. What we are doing ise, we're having people at seventy six dollars, you get ten postcards, and these postcards we address and mail for you. So it's hopeful that we can get people involved in doing this because that way you can send it to your friends, you can send it to your family, you can send it to your representatives. Just know, every fifty states in these United States has had our petition of remonstrance, has had our Affidavita remedy, has had our governors served, has had every document we have is in every fifty state House and Senate, and in three administrative terms we had Trump now the second time Biden in between, They've all been served all of these documents. So what this does is it says we are in your lane, we have your lane covered. Come to toll and Roll, let's get your lane under our purview, and let's get these postcards out and on January July fourth, when we turn two hundred and fifty years old as a country, let's turn two hundred and fifty years old honoring our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence by representing and passing and supporting the People's Remedy and Restoration Act for of by the People. That's what this is about. I got to say, I love that. What a great birthday present to America two hundred and fifty years. We are at a crossroads. We can either become that dying man, which unfortunately if we are allowed to continue as we have been, moving from a republic to democracy to some totalitarian, despotic system that we have now, yes, yeah, Or or we could have a renewal, a rebirth, to take it into the Christian context, to put away that old man and to become a new creature in Christ. We could do all that if we choose the right methods. Well, I got to tell you, guys, I really appreciate your time. We've gone long. I didn't want to. I didn't want to jump in here and cut it off, but I will tell everybody go to tollendroll dot com. Tollendroll dot com get involved with this organization because they seem to have the solutions here. Once again, I appreciate all you guys's time and everything that you're doing. Any last words for the audience, participant amen. Read the documents. Yeah, pay attention to what we're putting out there. You know, Sunday updates I broadcast that. Most you know, go to the tootlen role dot com. Please download those documents, read those, share them, you know, get an understanding what's going on. Get a hold of us, join us, get on board with this. If you're a victim of this stuff and want to be a whistle blower, you know you're you're an insider as a public servant. Want to be a whistle blower and expose what's going on in your particular office, Please get a hold of us. If you're just a standard victim, you know, get your evidence together, write your affidavit, get a hold of us. We'll get it submitted. Yeah, we have the affidavit of remedies on the documents page. It's already written. We suggest people do a one page like preamble of who you are, your case, how your damage is, what documents hurt you? You get it notarized or get it witnessed by two people rather than a notary, and you send it if we have the DOGE address for it to be emailed, and you cc us, so we put you on the list. And that affidavit supports everything we've been doing up by for the people, and it says it's time for the people's remedy, it's time for the Office of protect and it's time for the bureaucrats to get out of the way and let us lead with their representation of what we want, not with the lobbyist font. I think that's very well said. All right, well, once again, I appreciate your time on this show. I want you all to the audience to share this everywhere and especially to go to tollendroll dot com. I'm going to go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post production to sayah, goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, I think for your time and especially for your actions, your willingness to step in when no one else would, and an attempt to save this republic. All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. Two or three delegates from toll end Roll. I got to tell you. I've seen a lot of grants roots activism over the year. I like these guys. I like what they're standing for. I like that they have solutions, and that they've identified the enemy and how to correctly and adequately fight back. Church and State is brought to you in part by colonialized Spokane Independent Agents, Finders Insurance and Mark three. To seven dot Com. I'm Caleb Collier. I was born for a storm. Welcome to the fire. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State Dot Media. 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