Church & State -Undeniable Proof that Lee Harvey Didn't Kill JFK with Robert (Tosh) Plumlee

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With that, I can't tell you how excited I am to have our guest. I'm bringing on Robert Tosh Plumbley. He was a CIA contract pilot in nineteen sixty three. He actually flew into Dallas with an abort team the goal to stop the assassination of JFK. As he stood on the South Knoll. He watched the president get assassinated and the board team had failed. At that point, Tasha actually became a target. But he is not afraid, not afraid to speak the truth. And that is why I want to interview this man, Tash. It is an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. Well, thank you, I having may appreciate it, and we'll try to be the best weegat for your audience. Absolutely so just diving right into it. You were not only part of the Aboard team, but you actually a few years earlier, had you had attended the School of Illusionary Warfare with classmate Lee Harvey Oswald. Well, yes, prior to that. There's a lot more too. Just going to school. I mean, that's the time. I know we'll run short on time. But I went into Texas forty ninth Army Division when I was fourteen years old, forts ver certificate. Then I used that to get into the regular Army in the Station Support Plus Texas well station at Port Plus. They decided to make a specialized team that would go in and that's where we ended up going to nax in North Carolina to attend a program called an Illusionary of Warfare Training program, and what that program was consisted of was that we would go into foreign countries. We trained to go into foreign countries. The first thing we would do we capture the radio stations and put out the propaganda that we need. So the program was my program, Part I was in. Next, it was we the other the communications put up all the communications that we could out there on the media through radios issues and that would change the thinking and the actions of the people. So that was what the Illusionary Warfare program was about in those years. So as a result of that, there was fifty five of us in that program, and then there was another program on language studies and the Defective Program, and that's the program that Lee was part of. And that's the program that Victor Marchetti wrote about in his book The Cult of Intelligence, which. Was highly us sanitized at that point in time. So now my connection with Lee was nothing. More than we just went to the same place at the same time, run into him a couple of times, just like two soldiers. He was marine, I was Army. We were training at that facility which was used to be the old Submarine Air base submarine base served World War II, which are now was converted to CIA, which was very young in nineteen fifty two CIA. So that's was a military training. But he say why, I don't know if ramnant here want so that's illusionary warfare. Now back to the book this all zeros in on illusionary warfare JFK. I want to point out here there were many, many more operations that's in the book depict celebrities other than just JFK. I know JFK is a very lightning rod of third rail. That's where everybody wants to go. There's a whole story. We could talk for hours about it. So anyway, I'll try to clear that up the best I can about how we got there, why we got there, and all that. So speed it up here a little bit. How they programmed started. They got me into Dallas that particular day, I was a co pilot on a flight that was seven up by the Pentagon with logistical CIA support. Back in those days in the sixty three, about two or three months before the JFK, there was a private UGENB. Dincan who was a cryptologist in Germany or Sweden Sweden, I thank you no Germany, and he intercepted information that a unit was recruiting assassins old French oss nots, but French assassins to do a job in Dallas, Texas. He attempted to make contact with his proper authoritists, and they thought he was nuts. To remember, in those days, the government could do absolutely no wrong. Whatever they said was the gospel of truth. So anyway, he attempted to get that information to proper champions. He approached military intelligence, who made contact with the Pentagon. Didn't. God made contact with the CIA, acted as a logistical support that set up worked with the Pentagon team that dispatched a team to fly to Dallas for the purpose of a boarding stopping an assassination on the president. As history shows, that team failed. I was a coopilot on that flight. That was my operational status. That was my only operational status. When we got the Redbird airport, we were supposed to fly into Dallas, well the Garland, we flew over the Garden Redbird. But we flew over the Garland across the weather and we jumped over to Redbird after the weather cleared and there was guys that we was on our flight. They went on their mission. I hung out of the airplane. I'm sitting there at the Cliff Country Club across the street from Dallas from Redbird Airport. And my friend Sergio, who was with me in the Cuban days when I was gun running back Cuba, he asked me if I want to go see the president, So there's my operational status. I said, hey, yeah, why not? So we went down through the plaza and Sir Joe's job was mainly we're trying lace and shooting, and if we could spot spotters that he was supposed to bump them, interfere with their timing, and that phrase was used, take them out, but that didn't mean shoot them up and all that kind of stuff. In the plaza, it men interfere with their timing, stopped their timing to the limousine could get past the plaza. That was Sir Joe's job. My job was just tigy along seating President. So when we parked on the far side of the west side of the Peple Underpass, Sergio checked the south parking lot. I walked along with him. We didn't see anything suspicious. There was just parked cars there. The people that worked at the post office and AX. That'sfore they parked the cards in the south parking lot of DD Plaza. We circled around there, didn't see anything suspicious, came back out, was walking back along the fence line of not the pic not the picket fence. I was on the north north, were on the south side, and we're walking along. So the limousine come around the corner. I looked over. I saw somebody. I thought I knew. I saw the limousine come around the corner. Nothing. Our attitude was at that point we suspected. We didn't think anything about it. There'd been so many reports, so many false alarms about a hit on the president. We didn't even think anything about it. So we were surprised. And the limousine comes around, makes a slow. Turn, comes around past the school book the pository. I saw who. I thought, Now, this is my vision at that point in time. This is where the conspiracy crap comes in. At my point in time, I thought I saw Lee standing in the doorway. Years later they swear it was a guy by the name of Lovelady Lovely. It was in there on the ground four, but he was behind where I thought was standing. Leave. There's another story, BOYD, and we don't have time to get into that, but it's a story about Marina the richer and the missing button, and it's all in the photograph where this individual was suppoke to be loved lady was standing. That was Lee Harder Oswald standing in the doorway. By testimony other testimony, that's a love lady standing there. You get into the JFP conspiracy. I don't go there, but anyway, that's my thoughts. At that time, the Louisinge comes around. We're standing directly across from an inline with the light poles and his head. The litterally exploded right in front of Sergeio. So prior to that we'd had Sergio had what they call a walkie talkie, he motorola, and in those days they used crystals. The crystals on our walkie talkiece had been changed with the crystals on the north side of the walking talking, so the north side of the team could not communicate with southside. The guy sitting next to as they call the umbrella, he's on the board to fly. He's got a couple of fingers missing on his hand because he used to wrestle outigators at Westbomb Beach and Florida. But anyway, he was a spotter. He was part of the aboard team. His job was to take anybody out that looked suspicious. The umbrella man, which is an odd story, is told ps. But anyway, he's sitting on the curb. He would have been within ten feet of Kennedy when he comes buying the limousine, and Gator thought, well, I'm going to sit next to him and take him out if he makes him a move for a weapon. All this bit about flashing the umbrella and avenue umbrella gun and oh my gosh, I mean over the years that makes you cringe. So anyway, very simple, nothing weird. He sits down next to him and he does this, and Sergio said he can't communicate. He does it again, and so that means he can't die. It's lucky talk. He's not working, the motor road is not working. Crystals have been changed. We don't know why. Who worked in forward, so Livesay comes by it at that point time. That's when his head exploded. Sergio says, maybe we're gonta get the hell out of here, because we knew that there would be a pickup net. They called him pick up and anybody there would have been under suspicion would have been picked up. So anyway, we left and we went back over the other side of the under pass, on the west side of the Triple Underpass. The shots came from the south side of the Triple Underpass that was the kill shop they was to kill shop, and went directly over our head. Now this is my testimony, we felt the shop. If anybody's ever been in that situation where it's gun fire around you, you don't just hear the shot. You can take it. Don't you hear the shot, you feed it bee in your bones and somebody knows what I'm talking about. It's been that close. It came over our left side and his head exploded. That's what I remember. See it today. Don't like them shot, don't don't like don't like that memory. Well, anyway, at that point in the time we got out of there, went back to Redford and headed back to Miami, Florida for our JM Wait deep breaching. You know. JM Wait was dispatched. The crew that we had was associated with jam Waite Miami c Uity Station, a Cuban project. So that's the ID for all this stuff I'm telling you about your ears go check it out now because now some of those documents have been released, the mother them haven't so I'm my ramming here too much. No, absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing that. Obviously, if there is an a board team, it proves that there was a kill team. And so I think most of us within this realm, the Christian patriot side of things, they've always questioned the official story of JFK and his assassination, and I really appreciate you shedding so much light on that. I want to go into Cuba as well, because with the recent news that Raul Castro is being indicted for murder at ninety four years old, I see the media, as you were talking about earlier swarming in they've already been engaged in getting the American public ready and supportive of the idea of a war in Cuba or some type of some type of event in Cuba. I think with this now we're getting ready, Hey, he's a murderer, we need to go in there. And we're seeing interviews from the mainstream news, the conservative mainstream news that's getting us ready for that point where we got to go in there. They're interviewing Cubans that are excited about, you know, change in that country. Uh you were you, I mean you flew in you were running guns into Cuba. I'd love to hear your take on what's going on. Okay, Number one, let's the spirit testify of the spirit here people, some of them are religious out there. Okay, let's the spirit testify in your spirit where I'm telling the truth about. Okay, back my conn actually was, I was training to be a pilot, did the GI bill. I went into the military fourteen transfer and the Revue Harmony. In fifteen sixteen, I had an incident in Fort West, Texas. I've got me a time end of CIA. CIA recruited may train, meet me apilot, and then I started running guns. This is nineteen fifty five, fifty six, fifty seven, fifty eight. Started running guns at fifty six. When Castro came into power from Mexico. Not Power came in with a level fifty five reps running around the Sarah Montra. We started running guns supporting CI. Started supporting this man. In nineteen fifty seven. We were stealing guns from National Guard armories and taking them to Miami, Florida on board aircraft and piled for in those guns into the Sierra Madres supports by the l Caestra. At the same time, according to our records and our foreign policy and the Pan American Treaty, we were required by law to support a sovereign government which was a dictator known as Battista. Batista was had planes, tanks, guns, ammunition, and medical supplies and he was in the chasing Castro through the Sierra Madre mountains. And we were supplying Castro with small arms bandaids and no aircraft and basically pistols and then one rifles in springfields in World War One, and also from weapons that we were piltering from National Guard armies scattered throughout the United States. Those guns will be flown in. Let's see, I cut out polots, so that was one of them. And Pilferd threw Miami down to Marathon Key, and then from marathon Key plum Island down past forty of the Blades into the Sierra Madre to the Cuban Reverence. It was there that I was flying at Twinn Beach of the eighteen and we had an engine problem and we landed in the swamps, and we got in the swamps. We landed in the foothills of the Sierra Madre and in a cane field and a lot of solid grass. It was swampy and apollot Rick and I we got out of the plane, left the plane abandoned there with play a bunch of guns and we were trying to get out of the swamps, and that's when we heard some revens. These were the Castro's Cuban rebels. There was a young lady there and she's the one that came up and got me out of the swamps. Her name was Velma Espin. Her code name was Deborah. We became very good friends. She's the one that nicknamed me Sapata because I lost my shoes in that swamp. Got back to the camp of Castro. This was nineteen fifty six fifty seven, and Thelma was also known as the Lady Sabathur. She used to wrap diamond the. Ductae set pieces. I used to watch there at the camp. So that's how I ended up getting associated with the Cuban rebels, which was known as the twenty six seven. That was whate Castro's revolution became known as US that point in time, we escalated our support adel Castro overthrow the Baptista. We run god ammunition and people in and out of Cuble in those years. In nineteen fifty nine, I was privileged enough to be in Santa Clara when Castro was one making his run in and Latista I was leaving. I had left the island, but Castro was coming in and one of the tanks that they were captured from Latista happened to be one of the tanks that I had learned how to drive, the Texas forty ninth Armored Division in Heallas, Texas when I was fourteen years old. Sergio, my friend, who was in the swamps with Velma, is the one that got me out of the swamps, saw me standing on side of the road as a tank's coming up with their column of Castro coming into Santa clad Life Magazine is sitting there taking pictures and Sergio stops waves. I hop on top of the tank right next to Segober knows hey, nobody, nobody knew who these are, but Live Magazine took a picture. In that picture, I'm wearing my fatigue shirt which happened to have US Corporal stripes on it, and that picture showed up in Life magazine. See I had a list of what in the heck is an opportity of doing on top of it, and we're not supposed to be around there, We're not supposed to be anywhere near Cuba. We're supposed to have been cleared out. But the night before I got drunk and I missed my fly, and I'm stuck there and sounded clear with a bunch of Cuban friends of mine from the revolution, and to me it was a great armor and I got up on the tank. Sergeio ends up driving the tank. And so the second photograph from Life magazine, which by the way, this is in the book Deep Cover Shallow Grays, and also the photographs of Live magazines in the book Deep Cover Shallow Grays. They pick those photographs of their crying plan and certified that was William Robert Plumbley, Corporal, forty ninth Army Division, And then the CIA went all on God, I mean, you got to shut up. You can't write this stuff, because I was going to write a book out of the Black Knights of Cuba. And I said, well, you're gonna get to write that book. So as a result, house burned down this magnuscript. But that's another story. So your listeners can pick this to the bank, their bank being out of their friend upstairs. So that's where my association with Cuba started. It was in nineteen fifty six, fifty seven, but l Castro given me a hat beat the bugs and the mosquitoes off of me. Thelmasland was wrapping diamond and they were attacking the couple bomb berks in fifty seven Repens. That's one time. So that was the beginning of my association with the Cuban reverence. Now coming up to the day, been a lot of associations. Velma and I were good friends. Through me years. She ended up marrying ral Castle. They have a couple of three kids. She died in two o seven, and my contacts in Florida, which escaped Cuba years ago, used to be keep. Us in contact and we remembered each other till the day she died. Her name code named by the way for the m twenty six seven was Deva and Deborah was known as the ladies Sabaduer. There's a story. It's pumbly making this up. Let your readers go to the Lord and ask the Lord. It's puently making this up. That's what I have said. That's my children's to you. People do want to challenge save. My challenge is back to you take it to the Lord and find out if Plumber is telling the truth and all. Period, simple as sure. Yeah. So, with what we're seeing right now, it appears from my observations that we're we're ready to go into Cuba some type of regime change, probably pretty similar to what we just did in Venezuela. What are your thoughts on this? Okay, my thought on this. Back when Kennedy was live, he had a lady ABC reporter by the name of Lisa Howard. I flew Lisa Howard into have negotiations with Padel Castro and called it the Reapproach. The program. Castro was willing with Krushe up to talk to Kennedy about peace. That is, to upset our intelligence network in our foreign policy of the United States. As a result of that, John F. Kennedy was not getting a right intelligence coming back from his own intelligence corps out of the CIA. As a result of that, he set up a committee called PenCom, his own intelligence committee, and he decided that he was not going to send any more truths to that now. He was going to pull up we had out of that now and he was going to let the advisors there train out continue to train out the Vetanese army. That did not sit well with the Pentagon. Directed to sixty three was a national security directive and he was going to pull out twenty five thousand people out of troops out of Vetnam. Two days before he died, another directive and Honolulu two seven to three, Your readers can check all this out was drawn overriding two sixty three, and we were going to put twenty five thousand more troops in Now, what's the motive behind all this? I know we're running out of time here, but what's the motive for all this? Bill? Helicopter had twenty two million dollars in contracts, Remington had fifteen million dollars in contracts to build weapons, to build helicopters. If we'd pull those troops out, those contracts that being boarded. He killed the president overall two sixty three UH with two seven three directive and we ended up putting another twenty five thousand troops in vet Now, shortly after that, we had a false flag incident where we shot down one of our own ships and we called that the tumting Golf instead, and we use that for a reason to escalate and put more troops into Vetnam. That's what God Kennedy killed. I'm speeding up here because I'm watching him talk well. And we do come back, and we'll have another fifteen minutes after that hard break, so you don't need to speed up. We have plenty of time. Well, I hope. I'm I'm trying to put the right timeline in on this. But the critical point is the director that's called Capital in Capital s A. M. Two sixty three and two seven three two sixty three was Kennedy said, I'm not putting any more troops in Vetnam. We're not wasting any more of our young boy's blood in that country. And he went to Dallas. They told him, don't go to Dallas. Rumor after rumor after rumor all over, and even the dincing report from France said there's going to be a hit the twenty eighth of November in Dallas, Texas. Specific specific at that point in time, the Pentagon received that elements within our own government withheld that information. Elements with on our own government. Infiltration within our own government infiltrated and stopped those memals from reaching the proper authorities that could set up a good, solid team that would have stopped and change the routing and saved the president's life. So what I'm saying to your audience is that the United States government was complicit and the assassination of JFK. The CIA had also been infiltrating on I had been infiltrating. This was the whole reason that Kennedy set up his own special committee to look into why wasn't he getting this information? Who was the blockers in our administration that were stopping real raw intelligence from getting to the city President of the United States his administration. So what we had, we had conflict within the administration at that point. I'm going back to that point in time. In that point in time, our government, what everything said was a gospel treaty. Our spirit at that point in time is if you dropped the American flag on the floor, submarine. And kick your buck. I come from the era when President Roosevelt died and they were raising the school. Flag and everybody got the ground put their hand over their hearts. People actually stop their cars in the middle of the street and got out and put their hand over their heart. Is the flag. That's why it was in war years. That's what I grew up absolutely, And so as we're coming up on this heartbreak, don't worry, ladies and gentlemen, Tosh is going to continue this conversation. We're going to talk a little bit more about false flags, about Cuba, about Kennedy. This is Caleb Collier with Church and State Dot Media. This is gentlemen. If you're not sleeping on my pillow, do you even patriots? I gotta tell you, this is the most wonderful stuff from a man who's given it all for your freedoms. Whether it be the pillow, the sheets, or the slippers. I absolutely adore my pillow. My pillow has the greatest products around. I know when I want to shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers and yell at the neighbors. Of course, I'm buying from my pillow. I need you to head on over to Church and State Dot Media. Scroll over to shop because every single time that you purchase any of these products using the promo code Church and State, you assure that we keep our message out on the air. I thank everybody for your support and using a promo code Church and State. 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Since I'm talking about support once again, I'll just remind you please hit that don'ty button. Conversations like these matter, all right. There's a lot of lies going on. There's a lot of reasons to be distrustful of what we're currently seeing from government, from church, from a lot of different areas. And if you like the content that I do, please hit that donate button for us. All right, with that, let's go back to Tosh Plumbley and we were talking about, you know, just the difference. And as a marine veteran, I can attest to what my guest is saying. Look, there's patriotism that just flows through my body. I love America. I want to see America do great things, but I'm also very questioning as far as what administrations are doing, the lies that are being told, the propaganda that's being sold to the American public. And that's why I so love guests like Toshjosh, thank you for staying with us. Please continue with what you were saying. Well, I'm not sure what else. Well let me ask you this then, sir. Out there, since I've been a challenge alone, let me put a challenge out there to hear through your listeners. Okay, turn on, get on your knees and ask the Lord. I'm telling you. The truth is b That's all you're gonna do. Now we go from there. The situation today is if you spew out poison. If you rhetoric hate, if you talk about annihilating other countries, you are going to breed a lone wolf. You are going to breed assassinations. You are going to breed poison into a younger generation. You get what you sow. If we sold that hatred out of the mouth of our leadership, we can expect exactly what we're getting today. That's not a question of who did walk when, world why. It's a question of what we do, what we're doing from our heart, what we're doing to our country through hate, creed and corruption. This didn't happen just in a few years. This has been going on since the man got his head blown off. This has been a political coup in this country, and apathy and desensitation, desensitized. It's all part of a no I'm like I say, CIA as a union. It's all part of a corrupt system, an international corrupt system that has infiltrated high political system that is destroying the foundation of this country, the constitution, the lawy, the patronism. We are at a crossroads right now. If we allow this continued, this nation is destroyed. I completely agree, sir. Let me ask you a question about false flags. You burnt it up and I actually used to work for a TPUs, a faith and I have some deep questions in regards to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The official story seems similar to the one of JFK, where there's a lot of holes in the theories and we're told not to question anything. Now, now, I know you weren't a part of that, but just as a man who with your education, with what you've done in your life, can you weigh in a little bit about this and potentially being a false flag. Hey, let me put it this way. Okay, we use an example. This is all part of a design program to take you away from what's really going on. Okay, now, brought up Charlie Kirk. Okay, we can go into a thousand revedos. There's gonna be more Charlie Kirk. There's gonna be more assassinations. The emphasis is going to be put on those assassinations. Well, he did this, He did this because of this guy. This guy's on first, that guy's on third, that guy's on second. You get away from what's really going on. This is a diversion. We assassinate people to take away from what the hell we're doing. Our elected officials are corrupt, period. Some of them don't even know they're crupt, but they support a prupt program for whatever motivations, for whatever reason they may have, they support it. Our elected officials right now got their heads so far up this man's bus. But that sorry, I said them, I don't like to get into politics. That statement, I just may have showed you why I don't like to get into politics. That's for poison that we show you out when you say things like there's gonna be nothing left but a red glow in the east. When I'll get through. What is some young guy out here that wants his nose up some politicians? But think, well, I'm going to go out and blow this guy away so I can get favoritism, and I might have looks like I might get some money somewhere down the road. What the hell is going on in this country? What the hell is going on with our elected to politicians that can't get their no so far out of this man's butt that we can't see straight as in the nation, we've lost our spirit. I agree. I didn't mean to get off on that tangent. I swore I want your program. We're going to do that. Well, I lie on myself a lot. I draw it out. Perhaps, No, you're you are absolutely right. I think as Americans we needed examine who we truly are as a country we used to have. I mean, we were bred with the distrust of government. Uh, it's our foundation as Americans that we distrusted government. We wanted to be left alone, we could handle things ourselves. And we've fallen so far away from that. And now every single time you turn around, there's a new country to invade, there's weapons of mass destruction here, there's a nuclear program over here, and we're sending our young men and now even our young daughters over to die in some foreign land that we have no business being a part of. What is the real record today? Six? What is the real record of our leadership? How would you quote? What is our leadership today? A draft dodger in charge of our military, a convicted fellow uphold in the Constitution of the United States, took an oath to do that, yet to swear and if anybody doesn't agree with him, he will retaliate. He would take you out. He would be a first rate dictator. Now again, see here, I go, I gotta stop this. I cannot afford to get into politics. I can't afford to get into conspiracy, whether it be Charlie Hurt or something like that. I can't say this from my background and experience. I know within my heart and within my soul, we'd expect more. This is going to get more deadly. Our constitution is in shradgs right now. Every safeguard that our leadership back in the seventeen hundreds set up has been valid. And here's the thing. Apathy has destroyed this country. Let George do it. I don't have time. I have to go to a concert. I have to do this. I have to tickle somebody's ears. I've got to be seen. I've got to be heard, got to be somebody. I don't have time to protect the constitution. I don't have time to be patriotic. I don't have time to be honored in the flag. That's old fashioned, that's for old people. I've got to make a name for myself. That's where it's happened. The point is this, we've been man, this is prophecy. We're being led down a primrose path. Oh it's my and it is this who killed Kennedy. Moses did it. Moses killed Kennedy. I mean, my gosh, you take the timeline and the genealogy. This guy's connected to the bone's connected to the thigh bone. The thigh bonees connected to the knee bone. The ze girls is connected to Moses. Moses connected to the Seven Tries of Israel. On and on and on and on, and then the Baptists of this and the methods of this. The Catholics are no good all the diversion. What the hell is really going on in the country. It's time for Americans. Who wake up, get their heads out of there, bust and take some action and make these people responsible for what they do. That's my name Tooss Plumber. I wrote a book called deep Cover Celebrated. There's more in that book than just JFK. And I want people to read this book. I just want to give some clarity to our audience. Right there. And you say, Moses, are you saying that it was the nation of Israel? No? See see that's how that's how you get into these conspiracies. I did that for a reason. Oh it's I did what was taught in illusionary warfare. I just led your mind into a situation where you just made a salmation and made an accusation. You see how it works. That's what illusionary warfare was all about. Okay, let me give you an example real fast. I know where on time deal illusionary warfare. Next. At North Carolina, we used to sit an instructor would take a glass of water and take a spoon, and you put on a glass of water and that spoon and on that spoon you put a sugar fee. They would sit on that glass and we would sit back and stare, stare at the glass. I'm going to make that spoon fall. I'm gonna make that cube fall in that water. I'm gonna make that sugar If you fall, I'm gonna make it fall. We do that for five or ten minutes. I'm gonna do that. Mind control. My mind can make that do it back all. After a few minutes, you know what happened. It fell. Wow, I've got brain power. And then one day, when we're going through that maneuver, I saw minstruck gradually touched the leg of the bog and just made a nut funk that it fell. Later one time at nag said North Carolina, I'm sitting there and I'm drunk as a strong, drinking at the casino with another gun. He says, you know what they did. They paid me twenty five dollars to walk down the beach and when I saw a mirror flash in. The light, I'm supposed to turn to the lift. Wow. We're sitting there wondering, what in the hell is this guy talking about. But we were up in the training deal watching this guy walk down the thieves and our concentration was we're gonna make him turn left. We're gonna make him turn lift else was someplace else with a mirror plashing in that man's eyes. When he saw it, he turned lift. Wow. We got power. So now we're going to go into a country and first thing we're going to do is capture that radio station and we're going to put the narrative out. We're gonna put what kind of propaganda we want. And know where we learned that from. We learned that from Operation paper Clip, when we brought the Nazis back from Germany and they taught it how to do it. They used to change their groopwhopper with pills. And that's what started the mk Ultra program in this country. In the late fifties, so bring warfare is what they called it. MK Ultra MK Delta was much more dead here than MK ultra. We used MK ultra to experiment mainly on I'm not going to get into the ethnics or whatever, but the lower class American citizen young people. We use that method our leadership train these people. We'll drug them up with LSC just see how we can control their mind. We're going to make them into super warriors where they can believe that they can walk through doors and nothing can touch them. That's the program that we went through. Now, they made a movie out of that called The Manistated Goats. So this is not something that plumbly made up. This is something that your readers can follow through. We get duped. You talk about mind control, that's where we're at today. Control the people's thinking, make them do what you want them to do. How do you do that? You put your rhetoric, you're poison, you stew it out there, and you breathe long wolves. Does that make sense? What as a breed? How do you breed a lone wolf? We breed hundreds of lone wolves by the hatred and the pause that comes out of our leadership, and as a result, in the future you can predict as a prophet, what the hell's going to happen. We're headed for more assassins, We're headed for more turmoil, We're headed for more false reports, We're headed for more lives and the narrative change coming out of our leadership, not just a man, our leadership. Both parties agreed. I say it all the time on the show. I'm a libertarian. I throw stones at both parties. I don't care. I don't have party affiliation. I see problems with both sides. And to prove your point about what you're talking about, breeding these lone wolves, these assassins. We just had the incident in San Diego at the mosque where two individuals, supposedly far right individuals, they just went in and just started killing. And so we're going to see it from both sides. You're gonna see a tax on moster, You're going to see a tax on synagogues. The age of those people that just did. Seventeen and eighteen did they get their training? Yeah? Great question? What about what about social media? And then what is the deadly rampifications of how we utilize a tool? Look how we utilize the tool of the Internet. Now, look how we're utilizing the tool of AI. You can use a tool the right way and the wrong way. You can use a monkey ridge to bang somebody over the head, or you can use it to fix a plumbing problem. It's how you use the tool. So it's not that it's not the tool that's bad. It's the person that uses the tool. It's the person that uses AI for his own self whatever, whether it be politics, a party, or a president. Social media can be an enemy or can be an asset depending on how you use it. Right now, we're using it the wrong wedding. We're breeding long rules. Sorry, I got off on this tagic. You're right, and I appreciate the warning to our audience. I know we're we got just a little bit over here, but I want to bring up your book here because I want my audience to read this deep cover Shallow Graves available at Amazon Tash. I cannot wait wait to get my hands on this book. I'm going to pour through it. I'm going to read it. I'll be late into the night. My wife will be knee and me and kicking me. Turn off the lights. I will absolutely obligated my publisher. I will treasure that, sir, Thank you very much for that. But real quick, in the last few minutes we got why should people buy your book deep cover, shallow graves. Well, they should buy it or get it. They don't have to buy it, just get it, stated whatever, because I think it will part you. Like we say, we have bread crumbs. Those bread crumbs will lead you to the truth about what those countries doing where we are as a nation. And as a result of that, I hope the book motivates you to get off the couch and get out here and help us make positive change and save the Constitution in the United States. I couldn't have said it better myself. We absolutely we're at a crisis point, ladies and gentlemen in this country. Are we going to save the republic two hundred and fifty years? It could die tomorrow, But it really it's up to you. As I say on the show all the time, with great power comes great responsibility. We have a responsibility to defend the Republic. We have been doing it very well. Tosh I sow treasure this interview. I thank you so much. I got to have you back on because we scratched the surface. I mean, there's a lot more you and I could talk about. Well, please forget we're getting on slow pots. No, thanks for having me. Appreciate that absolutely, so we'll come back. They want us. Okay, excellent, I will book you immediately. Yeah, because I wouldn't. I definitely want to cover some more subjects. I'll say, I'm speak both spirits. Okay, I'll thank you all thes what I'm talking about. Amen to that. All right, Well, I'm gonna go ahead and close this out. If you hold on one more minute post production of Sarah goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again, thank you so much for sharing all of this information with our audience. Thank you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. Robert Tosh Plumbley deep Cover, Shallow Graves. I'm telling you get this book if you want to know the history, the true history that will hopefully motivate you to where you actually take action to save this great country. This is the book for you. Church or State. 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