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[00:00:36] Duley audio cache never before if Dave Jones and I co-opted a daily audio cache before, but we were.
[00:00:45] I was tempted to take the night off. Dave gave me a ring.
[00:00:49] Well, I gave Dave a ring, actually, prescripted by Dave, and then we got on a few tangents instead.
[00:00:55] Here we go again, putting that pepper gold out for nobody to listen to, nobody to hear.
[00:01:02] And I think you were right, Dave. So we're going to give you about 15 minutes,
[00:01:04] yackity-yack, and get you back to your president's day, because I know you're all watching the biopics of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, right?
[00:01:14] And Barack Obama.
[00:01:18] Oh yeah, I like to build Clinton One myself.
[00:01:21] Spicy.
[00:01:25] So, you know, I'm feeling pretty good post-mission.
[00:01:31] Yeah, and that was my text in the beginning, because I kept looking at P.B.N.
[00:01:37] waiting for a daily audio cache. Maybe there's going to be a prepper's live tonight.
[00:01:42] So then I text James and I said, "Hey, are you okay?" Because it was like radio silence. And he said, "Yeah, I'm fine.
[00:01:53] No preppers live tonight?" Well, I hadn't planned on it. Well, then I said, "Give me a call."
[00:01:59] And we got to talk. And it was mainly, I wanted to express to him, that I felt the intrepid commander took more stealth and did the things that you would do to stay away from people because he wasn't familiar with the area.
[00:02:24] Yeah, Dan and Ben, they were familiar with the area, so it was like, you know, no big deal blah blah blah.
[00:02:35] Whereas James was staying away from people, staying away from cameras.
[00:02:42] It took him longer to get to the final spot.
[00:02:46] And I got to thinking about that, that when we would do vulnerability assessments on different fortifications throughout the Middle East.
[00:02:59] And I had sergeant first class, E7s, and they were exactly the same rank as the guy they were evaluating.
[00:03:10] And I said, "Look, it's like the spot on the wall of a freshly painted house or a new house, and you get that spot and it is your focus of attention until you either fix it or you become used to it.
[00:03:28] You don't even see it anymore." And I would tell these guys, they, the other security people live there 24/7, and they just don't see what you see because you have new eyes coming into it.
[00:03:44] And I think that was part of it. Then what we, we got talking about defending your position with new people that have never done this before.
[00:03:58] And I said, "Well, new people do one or two things. They'll either fall asleep or they'll be hyper focused and calling you every 15 minutes."
[00:04:08] I see movement.
[00:04:11] And it's a raccoon.
[00:04:14] So then I said, "Well, you should pair a guy that's done this before and a guy that hasn't done this before."
[00:04:25] And then James said, "What about rotating them around to the different spots?"
[00:04:33] Yeah, and the reason I said it, which is important, is because we were talking about the ideal types of people compared to having people at all and sort of the value of even having somebody untrained.
[00:04:48] And I said, "The people in my neighborhood, most of them aren't going to have military training. Most of them aren't going to have any security training whatsoever."
[00:04:58] So I always have thought in a situation where we were defending them in the neighborhood as a whole, that I would post people in position for shorter periods of time and then move them and then rotate, you know, say there's five positions to one person on each.
[00:05:19] And all five of those people rotate to the next position in the perimeter after I said 30 minutes today, he said that was too short. So maybe now I'm thinking maybe an hour or two hours.
[00:05:30] And that takes people who don't know what they're doing and are likely going to get bored and kind of gives them something new to look at. So that was my thought process there.
[00:05:40] You'll get far more better feedback, but doing something like that, because if you send a guy to the same post every day, at the same time, all the time, you're not going to get any kind of feedback.
[00:05:57] But if you change it up on him, he's going to say, "Hey, that bush right there, that's covering my fuel to fire. We need to take that bush out."
[00:06:06] And you'll get valuable feedback, not to mention, if you want it while you're rotating, these people are rotating and they're kind of on a patrol as they rotate.
[00:06:20] So you're getting eyes and ears out there where you wouldn't normally, you know, back and forth straight to the command post or wherever the relief is.
[00:06:32] And that's all you see within the perimeter. But if you rotate them around the perimeter, you're going to pick up on things you would never see.
[00:06:43] Yeah, I like that. I like that people in motion business. That's always how I managed when I was a manager was always in motion. And I just feel like you see so much more.
[00:06:54] You see things when people don't even know you're seeing things and I think applying it to the security would work really well too.
[00:07:04] I would even consider a single person to road to patrol all five locations, while the five are on their watch.
[00:07:21] So you have a sergeant of the guard.
[00:07:24] Okay, there you go.
[00:07:26] And that person is his job to go and check on the people that are on the watch.
[00:07:34] So he goes there, make sure they're not sleeping, make sure they have the water that they need.
[00:07:40] You know, maybe even relieve one of them to go pee, you know.
[00:07:45] If you have all the position, go back. Take a lead. You know, I was just here from a probably from a from the standpoint of what what I worry about would be from the standpoint and like bribery or what's the word I'm looking for.
[00:08:02] You know somebody who's playing both sides.
[00:08:05] Oh yeah, I was getting food from this group and he says, Well, I'm on watch position two at eight p.m. You come by. I look the other way because you gave me money, food, water, medical seeds, whatever.
[00:08:20] The other way then I'll tell you where to go from there. So, having that, having that watch card or guard and watch gives you the ability to say, this guy's doing weird shit because I'm far enough away from him that he can't see me but I can see him and he's doing something weird over there.
[00:08:36] And whoever the sergeant, the guard is, he's looking out for those guys that are on the perimeter. And, and he's his schedule, you know if he shows up every night at six oh five.
[00:08:51] You know, that's not good. He should be coming in unannounced, you know, all hours, whatever,
[00:08:58] more at night when guys would naturally fall asleep and, you know, that kind of stuff. You
[00:09:07] gotta change it all out. You know what this is leading to Dave? This should be our next exercise.
[00:09:16] We need more people. But we should definitely have a guard, a chosen area,
[00:09:23] choose a perimeter, and not have maybe two to three guys who are going to breach it.
[00:09:30] You know what I mean? That would be really, we would learn a ton of stuff. It would
[00:09:36] be helped to do it in a neighborhood, you know what I mean? Or something like that,
[00:09:39] where we could sort of translate the information to the audience.
[00:09:43] Yeah, if we don't get arrested. Right. Well, I mean, you know, we'd have to,
[00:09:47] I don't know, we might have to simulate fire. Of course, of course. Well, and
[00:09:54] this is all coming off the back of Gotham Get Out. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So, PBN family,
[00:10:03] if you haven't heard all the episodes of Gotham Get Out, start with kick off
[00:10:11] and go all the way through, listen to them in order. And wow, wow, this is, this was just,
[00:10:18] I'm telling you, it was the best exercise yet. Oh, I gotta give a shout out real quick too.
[00:10:26] Hold on one second. Let me bring this up. I posted a picture on Instagram today.
[00:10:32] You'll get a kick out of this. I posted a picture that you took Dave when you walked up on us,
[00:10:38] which is blue tarps. Ben, the breaker, is wrapped up like a mummy. Dan is down in bed mode in a
[00:10:47] sleeping bag and I'm standing there with a hood on and, you know, it's cold as hell out,
[00:10:52] fires going still. And I posted this and the words on the picture says eight miles,
[00:10:59] 30 hours, three hidden caches, 22 degrees to sort of give a sort of a rapid digest of what we were
[00:11:05] doing. And a guy, this has nothing to do with prepping. It's just hilarious. A guy named
[00:11:11] Blue Horseshoe 007 said I thought this was a listing in Vancouver.
[00:11:17] It's just comic gold. I don't know. That's just absolute gold. I said,
[00:11:25] it was that he made my day with that one, buddy. I sent that to Tim. I knew he'd get a kick out of
[00:11:35] that one. But yeah, it was. It was a great time. It was amazing. You know, and what made it.
[00:11:41] Well, I'll tell you what the biggest thing was for me, Dave, was. And I've told everybody
[00:11:46] that this is not like secret intelligence on the commander. February is the worst.
[00:11:53] It's my worst mental state period. And one of the reasons is because cold is my weakness. It is
[00:12:02] the thing that kills me the quickest. So, and I knew and the reason I signed up for this mess is
[00:12:09] because I knew all that. I knew going into it that this is you at your worst in your worst environment.
[00:12:15] So either you're going to make it and add value to it. Well, and that's going to be incredibly
[00:12:21] valuable or you're not. So, it was coming away from it was a huge booster. It was addressing
[00:12:29] a weakness at my own. You know what I mean? Yeah. And up until that time, you had no clue.
[00:12:35] And now you have a like a baseline frame of reference that, hey, I can do this. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:12:45] Yeah. Even if it's February miserable. And if people listen to your podcast,
[00:12:55] that's the massage chair, Deanna. It's not me backing up.
[00:13:02] She's getting massage has given her a warning that it's going to put her money. But anyway,
[00:13:10] if you listen to your podcast that you did on the way up and you were describing
[00:13:19] you know, cold being your kryptonite. And yeah. And you could, you can hear the
[00:13:26] just the tone of your voice is saying, oh man, this is going to suck so bad.
[00:13:35] Yeah. I mean, that was my whole in my head all week. I was dreaming about it the night before,
[00:13:42] you know, because the that part of me, which is the the it's the brightest,
[00:13:48] the all through February, the weak part of me. Yeah. It's strong in February, man. And it's like,
[00:13:54] you know, it's that's exactly what was in my head was. Think of a reason,
[00:13:59] any reason to not do this. You know what I mean, I was what was really driving me,
[00:14:06] but I knew, you know, on the other side of it would have been okay. Now you have something
[00:14:12] to be excited about for in this terrible month. And you know, it's well worth it.
[00:14:17] Yeah, yeah, I think, man, just and then I got to thinking, how many preppers, not just people.
[00:14:27] Okay, how many preppers in just the prepper community would do something like this.
[00:14:35] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And everybody just heard about it, it's fun. Even Chin was like, I'm jealous,
[00:14:41] I want to do it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, it could be the this this is a huge
[00:14:49] this stuff that you guys come up with is that it could be the next level of prepper
[00:14:57] quote on quote, prepper show, you know, like the reason prepper camp is so sweet is because you
[00:15:03] can't. Yeah, what would be cooler than that would be. We've got to bug out from this neighboring town
[00:15:12] to the event, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's a three it's a three day trip. So
[00:15:17] planning accordingly, we're in national forest. So maybe in camp, any where you want, but it's a,
[00:15:22] you know, it's a three day trip, or something along those lines, you know, part challenge,
[00:15:26] part show. Yeah. The prepper Olympics. Yeah. But then you show up and there's a show and there's a,
[00:15:34] you know, camping areas and all like I said, the possibilities are limitless. But what I
[00:15:40] really like about the Gotham get out and the way you guys set it up and the cash system and all
[00:15:44] that is you can anybody can replicate it, you know, as long as you have some people. Yeah.
[00:15:51] And that's what this was all future Dan. I was just kind of along for the ride. I understood the
[00:15:57] concept of the operation. And I knew the challenges you guys were going to face. And then all Marie
[00:16:06] and I did was pack the boxes. You packed the boxes, but you were also integral in, you know,
[00:16:15] what let's take that third box and put it at the site, which made it I mean, I don't know if you'll
[00:16:19] understand how much of a difference that made, that would have been, that would have been a game
[00:16:24] changer for the whole event. If we had three boxes to kick, it would have changed my whole
[00:16:29] situation. I was running out of the room fast. Yeah. To be able to carry this stuff. Exactly.
[00:16:35] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a question. Oh, Marie has a question. Oh sure. Anything.
[00:16:43] He goes to crap. So you are training to be able to walk, you know, and go to a location,
[00:16:49] all you guys are going to go to Pima to wear. And, you know, it's not going to be
[00:16:55] that easy because you don't going to have some money to give you those boxes, you know, everything
[00:17:01] must be might be, you know, gone. Yeah. Oh for sure. But the boxes were a simulation of you
[00:17:11] putting a cash someplace along your bug out route. Yeah.
[00:17:17] He's Being his what you're gonna. Yeah, do you do you have a bug out location?
[00:17:25] Oh, yeah. I have more than one bug out location. Yes.
[00:17:29] I'm a firm believer in North-Southeastern West bug out. Now, the Western. I'll divulge this
[00:17:38] much from an object the western location
[00:17:42] in comparison to the southern location is day and night.
[00:17:44] (laughing)
[00:17:46] - Do you know what I mean?
[00:17:47] So they're not all on par.
[00:17:49] - Well, they're not all up to snuff or anything,
[00:17:52] but it's a lot better than laying inside of three tarps
[00:17:56] with a fire, I can tell you that much.
[00:17:58] - Well, you know our plan B is for the two brands, so.
[00:18:02] - Oh yeah.
[00:18:03] - That's ours.
[00:18:04] And it's within hiking distance from my house.
[00:18:09] Now it's gonna be tough, but we can do it.
[00:18:14] - Yeah, I look at the leaving my location a bunch of ways.
[00:18:20] You know what I mean?
[00:18:23] I look at the, and you created this layer,
[00:18:26] which is the short-term bug out,
[00:18:28] short-distance bug out locations.
[00:18:30] Then there's the bug out locations
[00:18:32] where you designate resources.
[00:18:35] And then beyond that, there's the, you know,
[00:18:38] the never-coming-back sort of bug out locations.
[00:18:42] - Right.
[00:18:42] But yeah, I mean, I think,
[00:18:47] but I think to have one direction sets you up for trouble.
[00:18:52] Unless you, I like yours because yours is headed west.
[00:18:56] - Yeah, and it's totally established.
[00:19:01] - Right.
[00:19:03] - You know you're going to a place where you can survive.
[00:19:06] It's not a quest.
[00:19:07] Well, see you're in a, if I go the amount of time
[00:19:11] that you go west to get there,
[00:19:15] if I go that same amount of time west,
[00:19:18] we're in two totally different realms.
[00:19:20] And actually, the west end of Richmond
[00:19:23] could be a spot that gets messed up.
[00:19:26] You know what I mean by a number of things.
[00:19:29] So, whereas like you're going through woods and mountains.
[00:19:32] So the likelihood that someone's gonna do
[00:19:34] something crazy there, other than Mother Nature,
[00:19:37] you know, you probably got a clear shot.
[00:19:41] - Yep.
[00:19:43] - So what else?
[00:19:46] - When he'll stay Jones, we said 15 minutes, we're at 20.
[00:19:48] I think we-
[00:19:50] - I think we have. - Something down very well, right?
[00:19:52] - Oh my gosh, if PBN listeners,
[00:19:56] don't listen to this Gotham get out.
[00:20:00] They are missing such a great informative
[00:20:05] and entertaining series of podcasts
[00:20:10] because man, this was just,
[00:20:12] I can't even describe it.
[00:20:16] - Yeah.
[00:20:17] I'll tell you this much too, if you listen to it
[00:20:20] and you really enjoy it,
[00:20:22] and enough of you are saying,
[00:20:24] this is something we wanna do,
[00:20:26] but you wanna do it somewhere other than your area
[00:20:29] or something like that.
[00:20:30] - I think, look, where we were was good,
[00:20:33] but I almost think that where I live,
[00:20:37] Richmond might be even cooler in area
[00:20:41] because the weird thing about where I live is,
[00:20:44] it's really just a few blocks that separate major,
[00:20:48] not major city, but skyscraper style cityscape,
[00:20:53] and something like urban wilderness.
[00:20:56] So we could make that trek
[00:20:59] and we could make it over a number of different bridges.
[00:21:01] See, the other thing about it is,
[00:21:03] if we were doing the race thing
[00:21:04] through Richmond, Richmond has like seven bridges
[00:21:08] or something that are pretty close to each other.
[00:21:11] - Yeah, well maybe the next Gotham get out,
[00:21:16] we could bring Ben and Dan to that location
[00:21:21] and you be the version of Dan
[00:21:26] and they have to do like you did for them.
[00:21:30] - Yeah, I mean, that could be cool.
[00:21:32] That could be cool.
[00:21:33] I think that just doing it,
[00:21:35] even if it's not competitively,
[00:21:38] though the competition did add something to it,
[00:21:40] so that's probably what we're doing.
[00:21:41] But I would like to see like several two man teams
[00:21:46] conduct this thing together.
[00:21:48] That would be pretty fun.
[00:21:49] Many listeners of the Prepper broadcasting network.
[00:21:52] But I also really like the security
[00:21:54] overwatch sort of concept too as an exercise, man.
[00:21:58] There's a lot to learn from that.
[00:22:00] - Oh yeah, we could definitely do that
[00:22:03] here at the Jones homestead.
[00:22:04] - For sure.
[00:22:05] Yeah, we could do it there.
[00:22:07] I'd like to figure out what kind of a,
[00:22:09] I don't know.
[00:22:11] I mean, I guess I could ask my neighbors.
[00:22:13] (laughs)
[00:22:15] Could we do it here and have the random people
[00:22:18] trainching through them, really?
[00:22:20] - Yeah, well you'd have to,
[00:22:23] you'd have to figure out what was real
[00:22:25] and what was simulated you'd be
[00:22:27] some guy out walking these dog in your,
[00:22:29] (mumbles)
[00:22:32] - I guess we could just record one thing's for sure.
[00:22:34] If you were reporting security measures
[00:22:37] in a fantasy way in my neighborhood
[00:22:39] you'd have a lot to talk about.
[00:22:41] Everybody in my neighborhood has a dog,
[00:22:44] literally, and they all welcome.
[00:22:46] So there's always somebody else.
[00:22:49] So you'd be able to say, " Black lab and pretty young girl walking."
[00:22:54] (laughs)
[00:22:56] But yeah, man, I think we did it for a short president's day.
[00:23:00] Dual the audio cache with Dave Jones and the IC.
[00:23:04] - There you go.
[00:23:06] - I appreciate the motivation, Dave.
[00:23:09] - Sure, sure.
[00:23:10] I'm a fan and I'm a contributor.
[00:23:14] - And that's what we're talking about.
[00:23:16] - Yep.
[00:23:17] - We appreciate you.
[00:23:18] - And thanks for the, you know,
[00:23:20] what did they call you, the,
[00:23:23] what in control of what you call it?
[00:23:25] - Oh, observer control it.
[00:23:26] - A server controller.
[00:23:27] That's it.
[00:23:28] That's for the observer.
[00:23:29] And thanks to Maria too, man.
[00:23:31] - Oh, absolutely.
[00:23:32] - She likely saved the whole operation with those blankets.
[00:23:37] - I agree.
[00:23:39] I agree.
[00:23:40] Now, now that I look back on it,
[00:23:42] you guys would've been there,
[00:23:44] wow, the suck factor with my cache box
[00:23:49] would've been way bigger than Maria's.
[00:23:52] - I would not be where I am right now.
[00:23:54] I certainly would have been,
[00:23:56] would not have been the man I was yesterday.
[00:23:58] Yesterday, I did take a nap mid day,
[00:24:01] but I was at my son's basketball game.
[00:24:03] We went out to eat that night and all that kind of stuff
[00:24:05] and I felt, I felt good.
[00:24:07] I don't think that would have been the case
[00:24:09] if I was doing pushups all night long
[00:24:12] and walking up and down that stupid pathway
[00:24:15] just to stay warm.
[00:24:17] - Yeah.
[00:24:17] Well, CBN listeners, you don't know
[00:24:20] but Ben had a bottle of water
[00:24:23] and it actually had frozen ice in it.
[00:24:27] To hold it was the night they were there.
[00:24:30] - And it was sitting next to him in the tent.
[00:24:33] It wasn't like we put, in the wall area.
[00:24:36] It wasn't like, he put it out somewhere,
[00:24:39] it was sitting next to him.
[00:24:41] (laughs)
[00:24:42] - Yeah.
[00:24:43] - But yeah man, it was real, it was fun.
[00:24:45] And I'm glad that I did it.
[00:24:47] I'm super glad that I didn't find a way not to do it.
[00:24:49] - There you go.
[00:24:53] - All right, PBN family, we're out of here.
[00:24:55] Just a short one, supposed to be 15 minutes, 25.
[00:24:58] (laughs)
[00:24:59] We'll talk to you soon, guys.
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