I AM Liberty- When Your NO Becomes LETHAL w/ Ken from Right to Bear

[00:00:04] You're listening to pay the end

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[00:00:34] What is it that gentlemen wish what would they have his life so dear or peace?

[00:00:41] So sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery

[00:00:49] Forbid it Almighty God I

[00:00:52] Know not what cause others may take

[00:00:58] Or give me death

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[00:01:24] Well, let's let's cover the business quick so we can get to our guest tonight great guests great guy

[00:01:30] connection through Rick Austin over at Prepper camp

[00:01:33] Does it get any better than that a little a little elbow nudge over from Rick Rick the godfather of prepping I

[00:01:43] Do want to mention it looks like we're clear

[00:01:46] For a CNN debate on June 27th between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. I think

[00:01:52] That is probably gonna be worth watching you may want to watch

[00:01:56] I don't know

[00:01:57] How many cc's of adrenaline they'll have to pump into the commander-in-chief to make that happen, but I'm guessing it'll be

[00:02:05] quite eventful

[00:02:07] I'll be watching maybe we'll watch it live. You know what you guys want to watch it live

[00:02:11] Wonder what time it is. Let's see if I can find out real quick

[00:02:15] Biden and Trump agreed to two whole debates

[00:02:20] What could you possibly argue about? I can't wait to hear what Biden has to argue about

[00:02:25] I just cannot wait to see his position

[00:02:29] Just look around

[00:02:32] Everything's so wonderful in the world. I

[00:02:35] Don't know they don't have a time yet

[00:02:37] But if you guys want to do a watch party on that alive one, I'll get Dave Jones on and stuff

[00:02:43] We'll have a we'll have a hoot

[00:02:45] On that debate. That would be a good time

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[00:02:55] The prep and Patriot one of our longtime members here at PBN for spurring this

[00:03:02] Members only video I put up today about the transfer of knowledge

[00:03:07] Really good video a

[00:03:10] really sort of tough reminder of the fact that we are not invincible and

[00:03:15] You know being the the holders of the prepping information and the survivals knowledge

[00:03:21] Predominantly right if you're listening to this, you're probably the lead dog in preparedness for your family

[00:03:27] and

[00:03:28] This really this video really answers the question about what happens when something happens to you and are you prepared for that?

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[00:03:35] How does all that that's you've learned from us and learned from everything that you've done get transferred to the people who will need it?

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[00:05:18] Let's get our man Ken on Ken. Are you with us my man? I

[00:05:22] am here right on right on so we have Ken and

[00:05:27] Ken and I sat down to discuss right to bear

[00:05:31] over two plates of eggs and corned beef hash here in Richmond, Virginia I

[00:05:36] Really appreciate that meeting Ken because it's rare that I get to

[00:05:41] Meet my podcast guests face to face

[00:05:45] So it's always good

[00:05:47] Always good. Yeah

[00:05:49] And can you took care of me you footed the bill. I highly respected that that was really a good way to start

[00:05:55] The day man. Thank you once again

[00:05:58] always always glad to treat and it was a great conversation and great discussion and

[00:06:04] Those are how we create a network amongst those of us that

[00:06:09] Need to be vigilant and prepared

[00:06:12] Yeah, so in terms of vigilant and prepared last week

[00:06:16] We talked a little bit about reserving, you know through preparedness and through

[00:06:22] The political system through it, you know all manners of living your life

[00:06:27] sort of

[00:06:29] Preserving your right to say no because there's so much craziness in the world whether it's you know

[00:06:33] Some kind of crazy cultural thing that's going on or or a literal

[00:06:38] rule or regulation from the ATF all kinds of crazy stuffs happening all the time and

[00:06:43] Last week we talked a bit about

[00:06:46] You know protecting your your ability to say no and I thought it'd be a great

[00:06:51] Segway to have you on this week to talk about what happens if that no

[00:06:56] becomes lethal because

[00:06:58] If you find yourself using your firearm to say no, maybe somebody wants to take your car take your kid take your wallet

[00:07:06] These things happen in America all the time. You know what? I mean, we watch these things happen all the time

[00:07:13] That sets a whole new

[00:07:15] Like a whole new deck of cards is laid before you then right and

[00:07:20] And the folks are right to bear you guys are you guys are prepared to take that phone call?

[00:07:27] Should one of us find ourselves in that position, right?

[00:07:31] That's exactly right. That is that's one of many of

[00:07:35] The benefits of being a member of right to bear

[00:07:39] So maybe tell us a little bit about right to bear. I think my my audience should have like a

[00:07:45] pretty good hold on

[00:07:47] Some some similar services and we can talk about those other similar services also because I know you have a lot to say

[00:07:54] About them and I think what you have to say about it was very important

[00:07:57] But why don't you tell us about right to bear right off the get-go so people understand why Ken Hardy is with us?

[00:08:05] Sure enough. I came from another company that was in the same

[00:08:11] Services

[00:08:13] business if you will I

[00:08:16] Came to work for right to bear because of their product and because of their philosophy

[00:08:21] They are a cousin to Palmetto State Armory and I'm sure anybody that

[00:08:27] Buys any firearms from Palmetto State Armory is very familiar with that organization

[00:08:32] We land when I work we're not owned or run by them, but we are a cousin to them in the same corporate

[00:08:41] Household if you will

[00:08:44] What we do is provide something that the average person

[00:08:49] Has no idea what they're going to need

[00:08:52] until they need it and it's then probably too late and

[00:08:56] I find it fascinating in my travels and in my presentations to groups and particularly

[00:09:03] Concealed carry classes and what-have-you

[00:09:05] People do not realize that if they have to God forbid use that firearm to defend themselves or as you say say no

[00:09:14] They have no idea what they're in for and they have no idea what they need and I find that fascinating

[00:09:21] And we're talking about

[00:09:24] Older adults who have had real civics classes in high school and what-have-you and

[00:09:30] they are not aware that they're going to need a

[00:09:34] competent criminal defense attorney and

[00:09:37] Those aren't easy to come by and when you come by one, they're very expensive

[00:09:43] For instance a deadly force incident which would require you to you'd want an attorney and you'd want him or her pretty quick

[00:09:51] I have not run across a criminal defense attorney in my travels that will not charge as a retainer fee

[00:10:01] $100,000 for a deadly force case in which the person shot and killed someone

[00:10:06] And I think people they are shocked by that

[00:10:10] In my presentations I will I like to engage the group and I'll ask them questions and I will ask them

[00:10:17] What do you think it would be the first of all what I find is funny is they do not know

[00:10:22] that they're going to need an attorney if they use deadly force and

[00:10:26] And they do not know the cost by which that

[00:10:30] Is going to come and

[00:10:32] They don't know how to find one and

[00:10:35] So what right to bear does is answer that void it

[00:10:40] That people have in their consciousness about self-defense about concealed carry about using deadly force

[00:10:48] And their right to carry a firearm or to defend themselves in any manner and

[00:10:54] Right to bear sees that we we know that is a problem out there, and we try to fill that void for folks

[00:11:00] So that they're not

[00:11:04] Incorrectly convicted of something they didn't do or an advocate type of prosecutor who wants to push the issue and

[00:11:12] And take what was a rightful deadly force case and turn it into something of willfulness on the part of the person defending themselves

[00:11:20] We we want these people to have access to an attorney immediately

[00:11:26] We have a 24-hour hotline we call it that is answered by an attorney and

[00:11:31] We can get into that a little bit down the road as to why that's so important

[00:11:35] But your first thing you want is an attorney in the aftermath of a system situation in which particularly which

[00:11:44] You've shot and killed someone or

[00:11:46] inflicted serious physical harm on them

[00:11:49] It's such a crazy thing because

[00:11:52] You're already taken up to a thousand if you I don't mean dollars

[00:11:57] I mean like RPMs if you're in a situation like that and you escape with your life

[00:12:02] And you probably sit in there thinking

[00:12:05] The hard part's over

[00:12:07] You know what I mean like I like and you're right and it's just begun the hard part

[00:12:12] Yeah, that's the scariest part about and until I took a look at it

[00:12:16] That's the scariest part about and until I took

[00:12:20] Conceal what was it concealed carry course? I don't remember what it was. It was to get my concealed carry

[00:12:27] But until I took that we call that yeah, they usually call that a concealed carry class

[00:12:31] Yeah

[00:12:32] I had no idea either it never crossed my mind and until someone tells you it doesn't cross your mind

[00:12:37] Because I think I think the leap from I'm gonna buy a gun own a gun practice with a gun and God forbid

[00:12:43] One day use a gun on a bad guy to save my life or someone else's life is just that's a stretch far enough

[00:12:49] You know what I mean for the average person and then to think a hundred thousand dollars later

[00:12:54] I'll have a later. I'll have a lawyer on retainer that might keep me out of jail

[00:12:59] It's just a whole nother can of worms man and

[00:13:03] To have an opportunity to have a service like you guys provide it just

[00:13:08] Yeah, I talk a lot Ken about things in prepping that

[00:13:12] Just remove massive amounts of anxiety from my life

[00:13:17] That I never really would have looked

[00:13:18] I never would have thought prepping would do that for you

[00:13:20] But it does that and what what you guys do is one of those things that's done that for me

[00:13:25] also has taken that an

[00:13:27] Immense weight of what if off of my shoulders and you guys do it very affordably by the way

[00:13:35] Yes, we do

[00:13:37] When you look at the ultimate cost and by the way backtrack into that hundred thousand that's where you start

[00:13:44] That's not a package deal

[00:13:48] I've heard

[00:13:50] Numbers in excess of a million and a half in the Kyle Rittenhouse case up in Wisconsin sure

[00:13:59] Yeah, and in I always

[00:14:02] it's always

[00:14:03] Interesting to me because people just kind of they just kind of like yeah, and I'm like, where do you think he got the money?

[00:14:09] He was not a man of

[00:14:11] Means and of course his case was so high-profile and how so published and and and politicized

[00:14:19] That people contributed to his cause but that's that's one in a million situation

[00:14:25] Where it's gonna be so high-profile that Pete so the average person that's going to defend themselves

[00:14:31] At a gas station one evening because some bad guy comes up to them and wants to do harm to them

[00:14:39] that's never going to make the news probably if particularly if it's in a major city and

[00:14:46] these people will be lost in a hole and

[00:14:49] Without competent legal representation. There's there's not much of a way out of that hole

[00:14:54] And you mentioned being in a big city and I think for those of you out there listening

[00:15:00] Who are in major metropolitan areas in America?

[00:15:05] You probably already know the gun laws are crazy

[00:15:09] You probably already know you know what's happening to the big cities in the country

[00:15:13] Well, probably one of the reasons you worked so hard to get a concealed carry permit is because you know the conditions

[00:15:18] But what again what might not cross your mind and you brought this up to me to begin with

[00:15:24] Was the concept of you know if you leave it up to the state to provide you or to the I don't know who

[00:15:32] Provides you exactly, but if you leave it up to them to provide you a lawyer

[00:15:35] in a place like Chicago

[00:15:38] San Francisco

[00:15:41] You're gonna get exactly what you think you're gonna get you know and yep and good luck with that

[00:15:48] They are the public defenders are

[00:15:52] Overworked underpaid understaffed and under experienced and they are ill-equipped to

[00:15:59] conduct a full-blown jury trial to prove your innocence and

[00:16:05] I always qualify what I just said there because I said prove your innocence and I've had people go

[00:16:11] Yeah, but you're presumed innocent until proven guilty

[00:16:16] Yeah, but that's you still have to prove your innocence by presenting evidence to a jury of your peers and

[00:16:23] And that's only a presumption that a jury is supposed to start at in determining guilt

[00:16:30] So when when folks say to me well, I'm innocent until proven guilty

[00:16:35] Well, why are you sitting in a county jail with a hundred fifty thousand dollar bond on you?

[00:16:40] Why were you hand-tucked mug mugshot and print and

[00:16:45] Fingerprinted if you're innocent until proven guilty and in we all know that's kind of a ridiculous

[00:16:53] Presumption for the whole process. It's just for a jury to consider and

[00:16:58] And and I'll tell you I spent 12 years in law enforcement

[00:17:02] So I'm very familiar with the judicial system and of course in my work and what I do now

[00:17:08] I stay abreast of pretty much everything that's going on and

[00:17:14] Usually what public defenders are they are a public negotiator and the system works in such a way that the

[00:17:22] prosecutors know to charge high when I say charge file charges against somebody higher and

[00:17:30] then have a negotiation session with a

[00:17:34] Public defender and have that have that client of that public defender plead guilty to a lesser charge and

[00:17:42] Without an independent

[00:17:45] Well-paid well experienced competent criminal defense attorney

[00:17:50] You're relegated to

[00:17:53] Taking the lesser of two evils rather than having someone who says wait a minute. You did the right thing here

[00:17:59] We're going all the way to trial and we're gonna we're gonna prove your innocence

[00:18:03] And if that goes upside down if you're a right-to-bear member

[00:18:07] We're gonna file an appeal for you all the way through the appeal process to the US Supreme Court

[00:18:13] There is no one else who offers that

[00:18:17] There is one company that offers offers a similar protection, but what people need to understand whether you're with this them or us

[00:18:26] This is

[00:18:27] Once thrown into the judicial system you are a file number

[00:18:31] I don't care how important you are in your community and what a good

[00:18:36] Faith based individual you are and you coach the little league and everything else

[00:18:41] You're involved in a self-defense situation in and in particular if it involves a firearm and you have a

[00:18:49] Prosecutor who does not believe in the Second Amendment

[00:18:52] He will he or she will use you to make an example of how bad all of us gun carrying people are and

[00:19:00] That's and and you don't have any control over that the judicial system will change your life in a heartbeat

[00:19:07] And it is weird because it does seem like

[00:19:11] You know your jury in particular

[00:19:15] And probably the whole process we look at what's going on with Alvin Bragg and you say to yourself

[00:19:21] You know

[00:19:22] Circumstances in the country at the time have an effect

[00:19:26] There's no ignoring that it you know this shapes public opinion what's happening out there in the world?

[00:19:32] So you know in I mean you brought up Kyle Ritt now

[00:19:35] so that was a guy who was guilty until proven innocent fundamentally in the eyes of most Americans and

[00:19:41] You know we just we know we're headed to a time of chaos at least built around the election alone if nothing else and

[00:19:49] In in those times of chaos, I mean

[00:19:53] It always seems like law-abiding citizens become

[00:19:58] Sort of public enemy number one because they're not going along with the whatever

[00:20:02] protest or social cultural moray is popular at the time and

[00:20:08] Then you have a situation where like you know

[00:20:11] Now your surround now your life is in the balance you're risking

[00:20:16] Never seeing your family again, or you know not seeing them the way you want to see them for maybe years at a time

[00:20:25] With a with a bunch of people in a courtroom that probably don't jive with you one bit

[00:20:30] That's a terrifying circumstance man

[00:20:34] It is happens every time right this is a thing that happens every time someone discharges a firearm and self-defense

[00:20:41] And and kill someone or injures them

[00:20:45] There is that true. This is this is the that is true

[00:20:48] This is the there is going to be an investigation and there will be a considerate

[00:20:54] consideration of charges and a lot of times those that consideration for charges comes from either

[00:21:04] imperfect or incompetent investigation

[00:21:07] conflicting witness statements

[00:21:10] in an incident and

[00:21:13] And and I hate that this is what scares me the most about the judicial system a

[00:21:19] predisposition

[00:21:20] Against citizens rights to take care of themselves and protect themselves

[00:21:25] That's can you know?

[00:21:27] That scares us all and you you made reference to Alvin Bragg and and I don't care

[00:21:34] What whether a person loves or hates Donald Trump that it is an example?

[00:21:39] Of how the judicial system can take control of someone who was once the most powerful person in the free world and

[00:21:48] Put him under that situation

[00:21:50] so if you think your little old Joe Dokes out there in

[00:21:55] Metropolitan USA, and you're going to be treated any different

[00:21:59] I got another thing to tell you because it's it is a system that works for itself

[00:22:07] It's it's meant to find justice and I'm not saying it doesn't and I'm not saying it doesn't

[00:22:14] Set out to seek justice or in my mind truth

[00:22:19] but what happens is it's an imperfect system and

[00:22:22] It involves human beings and it involves human beings who shouldn't have power at times

[00:22:27] But do and then it ends up, you know when if you end up in a in a jury trial

[00:22:35] You got a jury of your peers and

[00:22:38] Sometimes I'm not that impressed with the cerebral capability of some of my peers

[00:22:46] Yeah, so it's in and

[00:22:49] It's a

[00:22:51] It's a frightening time that we live in I think and I think that what is more frightening

[00:22:57] Is that what is that people don't understand? What is going to happen next?

[00:23:04] If they defend themselves and I don't care if you

[00:23:07] You pick up a baseball bat or you grab a windshield squeegee at a gas station if you're accosted

[00:23:15] there's going to be there's going to be a change of your life for a

[00:23:20] Short too long period of time depending on the severity of the incident

[00:23:26] depending on what people say happened and

[00:23:30] I can tell you for a fact not all witnesses see it the same way and

[00:23:37] And of course for witness is a friend of the person that you have to defend yourself against well

[00:23:43] they're going to take his statement into consideration and

[00:23:47] It's never clear-cut, and I think that's the part

[00:23:51] That motivates me in what I do with right to bear. I

[00:23:56] Want people to understand what they're getting themselves into if they

[00:24:03] Decide to carry a firearm

[00:24:05] Have one on or about their person or in their car or in their home and even in your home

[00:24:12] Don't think you're just you're just good to go because there are circumstances that could

[00:24:19] They could mitigate what happened

[00:24:22] For instance the guy turns to turns to run out the front door when he sees you pull the gun out and at the same

[00:24:28] Time you're pulling the trigger, and you shoot him in the back

[00:24:30] now a

[00:24:34] Activist district attorney could say he wasn't a threat to you. He was turned away from you

[00:24:40] Yeah, but one-tenth of a second before that he was a threat

[00:24:43] But they can turn that around and they can and you get people sitting on a jury logo

[00:24:48] He didn't need to kill that poor boy that poor boy just was making a mistake well

[00:24:56] We all understand you know you break into somebody's house you get what what comes to you, but there are jurors who get

[00:25:04] Emotional about their decision they aren't always using you are you know?

[00:25:11] What I know anyway from the things I listen to and the people that I talk to is that the

[00:25:18] Age of offenders is dropping in a way that is terrifying

[00:25:23] I'm talking as young as 12 year olds with the handguns breaking into people's houses and

[00:25:29] Yes, you are in for it dude if let's just say it like it is if you're a

[00:25:36] 40-something Trump voting white dude

[00:25:39] And you shoot up 12 year old 14 year old 16 year old black kid in the back on their way out of the door

[00:25:45] And expect that things are going to go smoothly for you in this America

[00:25:51] Man, that's a rough position to be in you know what I mean

[00:25:56] Yes, and and I and what people what I try to convey to folks is that

[00:26:02] Look what you think?

[00:26:05] Situations are going to be are more based on your experience watching

[00:26:11] courtroom dramas and

[00:26:13] Bruce Willis action movies and what have you they and and people that have been through the reality of a

[00:26:22] combat situation or a

[00:26:24] Incidental self-defense situation they're going to tell you that experience was all a lot different than they thought it would be

[00:26:30] And that's where I get it's so Hollywood and and

[00:26:36] People don't have an understanding of our judicial process. They truly don't and

[00:26:41] I find it fascinating that someone decides they're going to

[00:26:48] Take a concealed carry class and they decide to buy a firearm and they do a lot of thinking about what kind of firearm

[00:26:55] And they get a lot of information and then they get into the type of ammo

[00:26:59] They should carry and the concealed method. They're going to carry by and work

[00:27:04] To what's going to happen in the in the aftermath? I?

[00:27:12] Lost you there for a quick second. I'm not sure

[00:27:14] Yeah, I got a

[00:27:16] Still have you Jim. Yeah. No, I got you. You're good. You came back

[00:27:21] Okay, yeah, we've got a little going on here but

[00:27:27] People don't I would rather they focus on things like situational awareness and

[00:27:33] Options in in situations and

[00:27:37] And

[00:27:38] Legal defense for the aftermath because I don't care if you spent a thousand dollars for a firearm or

[00:27:46] $75 for a firearm if a bullet will come out the end of those two firearms

[00:27:51] It doesn't matter what the cost was

[00:27:54] The firearm you use it just means you were successful in defending yourself

[00:27:59] but you took a human life in the process and

[00:28:02] What's going to be more important is your legal representation?

[00:28:06] and

[00:28:07] Most folks can't afford it

[00:28:10] I mean we're particularly in today's time with inflation what it is

[00:28:14] It's hard for people to put money away

[00:28:16] I mean if you've been putting them if you've been putting money away and you have to defend your family now

[00:28:21] You got to spend all that money that you had saved for your kids for college

[00:28:25] It's a it's a

[00:28:27] it's a travesty in my mind and something I always inform people of

[00:28:32] If you are if you go to trial with a competent attorney and you get found not guilty

[00:28:38] There is no refund desk at the courthouse

[00:28:41] The money you paid to that attorney is in his or her pocket and they're gonna thank you for the new Mercedes

[00:28:48] And they're gonna tell you enjoy your liberty and that's the end of it

[00:28:53] And that's where that's what we do to fill that void to avoid financial ruin for folks

[00:29:00] To avoid the possibility of

[00:29:02] improper

[00:29:04] prosecution to protect against

[00:29:07] an improper

[00:29:09] Conviction and in the in the court in the courtroom. There are no guarantees. It's a matter of convincing 12 people

[00:29:17] That you're right and the other guy's wrong

[00:29:20] And it doesn't always come out the right way

[00:29:24] so we talked about

[00:29:25] And and I can't remember exactly the details on this one so if

[00:29:34] Hold on we got a question actually from chat

[00:29:36] Let's do that real quick first Sloan in the chat room says with cameras everywhere now

[00:29:40] Do you think that would make it easier to prove your case? I

[00:29:44] guess he's saying would we do cameras and that kind of

[00:29:48] That kind of surveillance, you know having a jury be able to watch a video does that make it easier or harder?

[00:29:54] To prove your case

[00:29:57] This is the answer I give to everyone because everybody's looking for a pat answer from me

[00:30:01] And my answer is it depends because it depends on the quality of that video

[00:30:07] It to quote. It depends on the angle of that video. It depends on did that security camera

[00:30:14] See all of the action or just a part of it

[00:30:18] Because your act your action out of context of the entirety of the event could look improper

[00:30:26] Yeah, I was on a jury and I can't you know, you know how it is

[00:30:32] But in terms of video we saw video from one side from the prosecution

[00:30:39] And then we saw more video from the defense like the prosecute and it made I don't know if it was a good choice

[00:30:46] On their end but the prosecution showed us a limited snip of a video to get their point across and

[00:30:53] Then the and then the defense showed us the whole video and you know, those were two different stories

[00:31:01] It was really wild well and to that point if you had a if prosecutors

[00:31:09] Were in search of truth and justice. Why would they have just

[00:31:14] Cropped that video to show you only the incriminating part and this is the other thing that I think people forget

[00:31:22] they they forget that

[00:31:25] prosecutors are political figures and

[00:31:27] sometimes they have aspirations for higher office and

[00:31:31] They want to come off as the law-and-order candidate. Well, what proves that all of their convictions?

[00:31:37] That's and I always I always question

[00:31:41] Who vets those convictions who makes sure that conviction was proper well

[00:31:48] Nothing in the judicial system unless the convicted person

[00:31:54] Initiates an appeal process

[00:31:56] That's the only check and balance the minute that jury decides that person is guilty

[00:32:02] The judge is going to remand them to the custody of usually the local sheriff and then they will

[00:32:08] Set aside for another hearing to determine sentencing and that

[00:32:14] changes you from Monday through Friday getting up and going to work and coming home and mowing your lawn to

[00:32:20] Wearing prison clothes and being in a

[00:32:25] Confined area for who knows how long

[00:32:29] And I wanted to I wanted to switch gears because you talked a little bit about and and you don't have to go in

[00:32:35] Details that you're not allowed to go into but when we talked you definitely mentioned

[00:32:42] The difference between what you guys do now is compared to other services that are similar. I

[00:32:49] Just may ruffle some feathers in the audience because I'm sure we've got people who are members of some of these services

[00:32:57] But I thought it was really cool to have this conversation with someone who's inside the business

[00:33:03] Someone who's worked for more than one of these kind of companies that being you can and whatever you can tell us about

[00:33:11] how

[00:33:12] how right to bear compares to some of the other players in the game like

[00:33:18] USCAA and those types of services

[00:33:22] Right. Yeah, I can do that and of course

[00:33:26] Those other companies have paved the way for right to bear to do what we do

[00:33:32] They've they've been doing it about 15 years

[00:33:35] or so

[00:33:37] And with you mentioned USCC a

[00:33:41] USCC a is a training agency. They develop

[00:33:45] instructors they develop training programs and I would I would recommend anyone who is a member of their

[00:33:52] organization who has their legal protection to read the member contract or

[00:33:59] For the coverage they're going to be provided I

[00:34:03] Think that they will think twice about about what they've purchased there are it's an insurance-based

[00:34:11] product which means

[00:34:13] Whose interest is going to be held into account here the client or the insurance company?

[00:34:19] and if you've ever dealt with insurance companies, they're making sure they minimize their losses and their payouts and

[00:34:26] You don't want that situation if you're in a self-defense situation

[00:34:31] The other the other weak leg of their program is they do not have a 24-hour answered

[00:34:39] Hotline that is answered by an attorney

[00:34:42] Which means you don't have anybody getting started on your case until you're finally able to reach an attorney who they have

[00:34:51] Recommended and I will tell you this and you you alluded to it a little earlier about

[00:34:56] What a shakeup an event like that will be to you psychologically emotionally and what-have-you

[00:35:02] people don't always say and do the smartest things in the aftermath of a situation like that when they're in that frame of mind and

[00:35:12] You can say things that would be incriminating and

[00:35:16] There's nothing you can do about it once you said it so having virtue by virtue of having an attorney available to talk to

[00:35:24] immediately our

[00:35:25] our 24-hour answered

[00:35:28] attorney answered line

[00:35:30] Will put you in contact with

[00:35:32] Your attorney from right to bear

[00:35:35] before the police get to the scene if you make a point of making that phone call early and

[00:35:41] We recommend that you know, you make sure 9-1-1 has been called

[00:35:45] But that is a key part and a big difference in us and

[00:35:50] USCCA who you mentioned there's another company called US law shield. They have a

[00:35:56] Almost as good a program as ours

[00:35:59] we go we've gone the extra mile in our program and

[00:36:03] And they're a good company, but they are moving toward being an insurance based product too

[00:36:09] And they've rolled out their new system or their new program in a couple of states, Texas and North Carolina and

[00:36:17] The cost has gone up and what-have-you

[00:36:20] With right to bear we are going to provide you untapped unlimited legal representation for any criminal

[00:36:26] work that needs to be done by a criminal defense attorney and

[00:36:30] If and when you are sued in the aftermath of a self-defense situation, we're going to provide you legal representation for any civil action

[00:36:39] And I guarantee you if you take the life of someone

[00:36:41] Their family is going to and can file suit against you now

[00:36:45] It may may get adjudicated at some point, but you got to defend against that

[00:36:50] What I like one of the reasons I came to came with right bear is inherent in their basic program are

[00:36:57] Three things that the others do not include in their basic program

[00:37:02] One is and to me most important

[00:37:05] The family is going to go through this ordeal also

[00:37:08] In the aftermath, so we're going to give them psychological counseling

[00:37:12] We also include expert witness testimony in their basic coverage

[00:37:17] Where the others do not it's an option you have to purchase

[00:37:20] We also include firearm replacement and a lot of people in the in this world have more than one firearm

[00:37:27] But there are a lot of people that the only gun they have is the one they use

[00:37:30] The police are going to confiscate it leaving them without a firearm in the meantime and we will replace their firearm with a similar or like

[00:37:40] Cost fire on another one of those things you never think about

[00:37:46] You know, I never think that the gun that you use the gun that you've trained with the gun that you carry every day

[00:37:53] Is gone

[00:37:55] That's right, it's gonna be held as evidence and I and I can tell you this there are incidences

[00:38:01] Usually in bigger metropolitan areas not always could be small community

[00:38:06] That firearm got lost somehow it made its way out the back door of the property room and it's gone or some courts

[00:38:14] Judges just won't return it to you. They'll order it destroyed

[00:38:18] And they'll order it destroyed

[00:38:20] Or some courts judges just won't return it to you gel order it destroyed and so you're out that firearm

[00:38:29] and

[00:38:31] So it's better to have something than nothing at all, but

[00:38:37] The other two companies are particularly us cca there their coverage is is very loose and worded very loosely

[00:38:46] Again, we're grateful to them for having paved the way for people like us

[00:38:50] but I would recommend anybody who is a member of

[00:38:54] either of those two organizations

[00:38:56] To read their member agreement and make sure it says it's going to do what they say

[00:39:02] They're going to do and there there's a handful of other companies out there similar, but they're not as prominent as

[00:39:10] Is there a section in that contract people should look at closely or just the whole thing

[00:39:21] Okay

[00:39:27] And then the rest is all

[00:39:30] Part it's it's like reading Mandarin Chinese. You have no idea what they're saying because this is legal legal business

[00:39:36] It's all legalese and it's written if you ever read your homeowners insurance policy or whatever

[00:39:43] It kind of isn't clear that if your garage burns down, they're gonna fix your garage. You know, it's it's there's always these kind of

[00:39:52] I don't know vague wordings and what have you that kind of give them an out

[00:39:58] So I

[00:40:00] Guess what I would tell everyone that either

[00:40:03] Concealed carries has a firearm is vigilant will do anything to protect their family

[00:40:11] for about a buck and a nickel a day

[00:40:15] With our program they can cover their wife

[00:40:19] all of our optional coverages themselves and even 17 and under minor children in their household and

[00:40:26] That's pretty inexpensive

[00:40:28] that's pretty inexpensive

[00:40:30] and that's pretty inexpensive

[00:40:32] of

[00:40:34] protection against the judicial system that has all the power all the money and all the control that

[00:40:41] that doesn't sound concerning at all

[00:40:43] that doesn't sound concerning at all

[00:40:45] and the

[00:40:47] Wouldn't worry about it I and I have had people that I've that I run into that have a they kind of have a

[00:40:56] Wild-west mentality about it and they say no nobody will ever know that it happened. Oh

[00:41:01] So if you're accosted out in public and you have to defend your life

[00:41:06] Nobody's gonna know that I mean that's that's an unrealistic approach to what this whole self-defense and vigilance

[00:41:14] And right to do right to defend yourself is all about there and that's what I would

[00:41:21] recommend to people by the way

[00:41:23] Get a lot of training on the psychology of self-defense get a lot of training on situational awareness

[00:41:30] and and most of all

[00:41:33] understand what your first plan of action is and that's to get away if you can and

[00:41:39] And get the family out of there or whatever the situation is don't stand and fight if you don't have to

[00:41:45] Yeah, I think

[00:41:48] one of the reasons this is so important for preppers is because we

[00:41:53] one of the

[00:41:54] one of the

[00:41:55] craziest things that prep maybe only preppers think about but I even preppers don't think about it as thoroughly is

[00:42:03] You know

[00:42:04] we all

[00:42:06] Worry and wonder and contemplate a world without rule of law. That's what we call it a

[00:42:15] World without rule of law and one of the things that I caution our listeners all the time is you know

[00:42:23] For how long?

[00:42:25] You know, you could argue and and Phil Rabelais

[00:42:28] One of our hosts would argue this and so would anybody who was there or paid any attention but you know post

[00:42:34] Hurricane Katrina

[00:42:36] Those people lived in a world briefly without rule of law

[00:42:41] however, that law eventually came back and

[00:42:46] You know it it's when when you're talking about firearms and self-defense and taking lives with a firearm

[00:42:53] you might be in a short-term situation where things are as crazy as they get and

[00:42:59] And you know your life's at risk and all that kind of stuff

[00:43:05] But then that that might that might work its way back to

[00:43:09] The way things always are

[00:43:12] You know and you find yourself in a situation, especially as a prepper or maybe even as anybody

[00:43:18] where things can get chaotic and

[00:43:21] You don't realize what you're doing because you know, it's chaos everywhere. You don't realize that you're you're building

[00:43:28] You know, maybe you've killed someone and you think I'm not gonna have to deal with that

[00:43:32] I'm not gonna have to answer for that because this is a world without rule of law

[00:43:37] apocalyptic situation and

[00:43:39] Then all the sudden in a couple weeks goes by and cleanups over and and you know things get back to normal

[00:43:45] And you realize oh god

[00:43:47] I'm gonna have to answer to this. This wasn't this wasn't the end-of-the-world scenario. I thought it was you know, that's

[00:43:54] That's an excellent point that you're bringing up there because you know as as preppers and prepper men

[00:44:03] mentality

[00:44:04] process the the thought is

[00:44:07] Prepare for however bad it's going to get but how long will it stay?

[00:44:13] bad and lawless and then we all know we all know if

[00:44:19] If they want to I mean what a great way to

[00:44:23] Sort out who the people are that protect themselves and keep firearms is to have chaos have a few people that

[00:44:30] Get killed and then start following up on that now you find now the authorities are finding their way back to

[00:44:37] the prepared people and they may not

[00:44:41] necessarily like people to be prepared so

[00:44:44] They could they could easily

[00:44:46] Make quick work of you by by drawing you into the judicial system and I mean

[00:44:53] How many how many of them could you fight off in a lawless situation?

[00:44:58] You're not going to there are they're gonna bring the troops and they're going to subject you to the laws and

[00:45:04] They're not going to concern themselves with what the chaos was prior to the

[00:45:10] reimposition of law and order

[00:45:12] Yeah, that's one of those things. I always think about

[00:45:15] Because we prepare for a scenario like that and then you know in the snap of a finger it can be back

[00:45:20] Oh god, we're back and that right and how you've got real life consequences to deal with man

[00:45:28] And that's a scary one. But uh, it

[00:45:32] It's for a fact it's scary and I think that we all you know, if you're prepared for ultimate chaos

[00:45:40] What about life in general?

[00:45:42] What about life in general before that happens?

[00:45:47] we're going about our lives and carrying firearms or carrying pepper spray or collapsible batons or some other means of

[00:45:54] defending yourself and

[00:45:58] In the meantime while there is some semblance of law and order in our society

[00:46:03] You still need to make sure that

[00:46:06] if you use that

[00:46:08] defense implement that you've got legal coverage because

[00:46:12] law

[00:46:14] the law is still in place in these times and

[00:46:18] It's it's never a there's never a good aftermath of a self-defense situation

[00:46:24] Other than you stayed alive

[00:46:26] But the whole the whole consequence of all that is

[00:46:29] Still it can be life-changing

[00:46:32] Oh, sure

[00:46:34] Sure

[00:46:35] So is there anything else we're not thinking about? Is there anything else that you guys provide?

[00:46:41] Um that we haven't mentioned

[00:46:44] Well, as I mentioned in in our court protection unlimited legal representation and as I said

[00:46:50] Appeal process all the way to the u.s supreme court. You can't go any higher

[00:46:54] Than what we will go with you to defend your case

[00:46:58] um, we offer optional coverages, um

[00:47:02] We have a multi-state coverage

[00:47:05] for people who buy a

[00:47:07] program from us

[00:47:08] It's limited to their

[00:47:11] Home state but they can buy additional coverage, which is 35 a year more

[00:47:17] To cover them in all 50 states

[00:47:20] Um, we also offer a bail bond protection

[00:47:24] up to 100 000 dollars

[00:47:27] Generally, I like the idea if you've got a good attorney

[00:47:31] He'll get you a negotiated uh bond that may you know may be reachable

[00:47:35] But at least you got a hundred thousand in there if they put a quarter of a million on you

[00:47:39] You got a hundred thousand to to go toward that quarter of a million

[00:47:43] And then we provide minor

[00:47:45] It makes a difference and we also provide

[00:47:48] minor child coverage for children 17 and under in the household and

[00:47:53] And a lot of people tend to think firearms firearms firearms

[00:47:57] Well what people don't think about in particularly in school today?

[00:48:01] It's chaos

[00:48:03] And if your child is being bullied and finally decides they've had enough one day or you've instructed them look

[00:48:09] Don't take it anymore. We'll deal with the consequences. Well

[00:48:13] um

[00:48:14] If that

[00:48:15] If that self-defense in that bullying situation is viewed by the wrong witnesses interpreted incorrectly by school administration

[00:48:24] um

[00:48:26] Your child could find themselves on the wrong end of criminal charges

[00:48:30] So whether it was a fist fight or they simply shoved somebody out of their way out of the way

[00:48:36] We will cover that child if the member has that coverage

[00:48:40] um for any act of self-defense

[00:48:43] And again any lawsuit that would ensue from that and a lot of people don't take into consideration. Well, there's bullying

[00:48:50] And the child may you know, there's some kids that will they'll take it and they'll take it

[00:48:55] And then when they unload boy, they unload with a fury and they really

[00:48:59] Put a hurting on that on that person that was bullying them and we'll cover

[00:49:04] All children under 17 and under in the household for 35 bucks a year

[00:49:09] So if you got 10 kids if you got 10 kids

[00:49:12] It's 35 a year if you got one kid, it's 35 a year

[00:49:16] So I guess the guy with 10 kids is getting a better deal if you amortize the cost over over 10

[00:49:23] so

[00:49:25] What we what we seek to do as a company is to protect the second amendment protect citizens rights

[00:49:32] Um, the company is based on christian values

[00:49:36] That you know right is right and wrong is wrong and uh, we want to defend people

[00:49:42] Who are defending themselves?

[00:49:44] And that's pretty much it in a nutshell

[00:49:47] There is one thing out there that people may

[00:49:50] misinterpret

[00:49:52] We will cover a member in all 50 states if they have the 50 state coverage

[00:49:57] However, there are three states. We cannot sell our program too and you can probably guess which ones they are

[00:50:03] New york new jersey and washington state

[00:50:07] So, um, we cover in all 50 states if you would be traveling or whatever

[00:50:11] But those three states are excluded from us being able to sell you membership

[00:50:17] Because of their political attitude toward what we represent

[00:50:23] Wow

[00:50:26] We have people um

[00:50:28] That that's something that I have probably probably worth hammering on real quick is

[00:50:34] We have people who have kids in martial arts

[00:50:39] more than one

[00:50:40] family that I know of that listens to this network and um

[00:50:45] If your kid knows how to punch and kick and strangle and

[00:50:49] you know

[00:50:50] If they're doing jiu-jitsu muay thai boxing those kinds of things

[00:50:55] You might incur some costs

[00:50:58] In a situation like that

[00:51:02] That's that's correct and I and if you think a prosecutor who wants to charge a kid for defending themselves

[00:51:11] Won't use that martial arts training and ability against them

[00:51:16] um

[00:51:17] I got a bridge to sell you in brooklyn because

[00:51:21] Uh, it's it's a

[00:51:23] what's interesting and fascinating about the law is the

[00:51:28] The the law will use

[00:51:31] whatever

[00:51:32] nuance or

[00:51:34] A tool they can use

[00:51:36] To prove their case against you

[00:51:39] To the extent that oh you have a concealed carry permit

[00:51:44] ladies and gentlemen of the jury

[00:51:47] The defendant had a concealed carry permit

[00:51:49] He couldn't wait to get his day when he was going to be able to take somebody out with a firearm

[00:51:55] And he got his day. You see how that's and that's used and that appeals to the emotions of people on juries

[00:52:03] and um

[00:52:05] Convictions are not always based on

[00:52:08] on evidence

[00:52:10] That makes sense and um

[00:52:13] You don't always have to have hard physical evidence just an assumption of

[00:52:18] Well, we think you did the wrong thing. So we're going to send you to prison for about 10 years. Oh

[00:52:25] Yeah, that's ugly

[00:52:26] I I have great respect for avoiding the judicial system at all costs. Yeah, I think you're right on that one

[00:52:33] Well pbn family

[00:52:35] uh

[00:52:36] You know, you got a lot to chew on. I don't know everybody's situation, but I do know

[00:52:42] Um, you guys got a lot to chew on. I mean it's it's

[00:52:46] Whether you have coverage you need to double check and make sure you have the coverage that you think you have

[00:52:51] If you don't have coverage, you really need to think about you know

[00:52:54] I'm carrying a gun and i'm carrying a gun for a very specific reason

[00:52:58] And if I ever need to brandish that weapon and use it for that specific reason

[00:53:03] This is the reality here. This is what's going to happen next

[00:53:07] And uh, you know, we're preppers we pride ourselves in being prepared so

[00:53:11] I definitely recommend you looking into

[00:53:14] What ken's talking about here because it's a big deal

[00:53:18] You know ken, I appreciate you coming on tonight man. This is uh

[00:53:23] This is a way more informative show than my show is normally

[00:53:28] I'm i'm glad to hear that and I and I appreciate the invitation, uh, so that we can share the word

[00:53:35] Um, this is a uh, it's it's a mission of sorts for me. I should probably be

[00:53:42] Sitting on a boat somewhere

[00:53:44] Drinking a beer and smoking a cigar

[00:53:46] but I do this because it's a mission of sorts that I want people to be informed of

[00:53:52] the dangers

[00:53:53] That that are in front of them in a self-defense situation

[00:53:59] We appreciate that man. We really do

[00:54:02] it's a uh

[00:54:03] It's a big deal, you know and a lot of people like you said they're not thinking about it. So

[00:54:09] um

[00:54:10] I think that's about it for the show tonight folks. I'm gonna run some ads at the end here and uh

[00:54:15] We'll catch you guys next week for the iam liberty show stay tuned tomorrow

[00:54:21] We have the tool man. We have dane d with the gunmetal armory

[00:54:25] and like I said

[00:54:27] Read them policies if you're holding them make sure your

[00:54:30] Your ass is covered

[00:54:32] Because it's like we always say nobody's coming to help

[00:54:38] It will be on you there's no doubt about it. All right, ken. I appreciate you, sir

[00:54:42] I'll see you guys pbn family. Uh, maybe tomorrow. I don't know. We'll see we might do a little pbn daily news in the morning

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