Matter of Facts: Cash and Carry

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Two topic, So we are going to have a discussion today about firearms, gear and AMMO storage and transportation, mostly for two reasons. First of all, the annual mof Summer Camp is coming up very shortly. We don't talk about it super often. The patrons are very well aware of it, except possibly for the newest ones. But it's an annual camping trip. Everybody's encouraged to bring their families like. This is the idea sprang out of how we all used to meet up a prepper camp, and after several years of that, we got to the point where we weren't even really attending classes that much. We were there mainly to hang out with everybody and see our friends. But because it was prepper camp, the families didn't really want to come live in a tent and you know, like bum around with us at the camp all day long. So that's when my wife and I got this idea in our heads, and Andrew and I talked about it back in the day, and like the idea came out of why don't we do the part of that. We enjoy the camping together, the seeing the sights together, the spending time together. But we do that someplace else where. We don't have to have sle we don't have to have classes, we won't have to make it all about preparedness. It can literally just be an extended family camping trip. And we can be more flexible with the location. Yes, we can be flexible with location. We usually try to put this like somewhere towards the middle of the country where everyone kind of has equal opportunity to make the trip. Like we always wind up getting hosed all the way down here, and I'm not going to that's fair though for the summer, because it's god for saken hot down here. But you know, it's just one of those things where like we can we can put it in a location where people can camp if they want to camp, they can do cabins. If they want to do cabins, there are sites to see nearby. It's something for the whole family to encourage people to bring their their spouses and their kids with them, and it's turned into this thing where literally, like every summer, we all know we're gonna get together and go find someplace to invade. Yep, and it does kind of end up as an invasion because well, last summer we bought out all but one of the cabins at the place we ended up. Yeah, I don't think our neighbors knew quite what to think of us. Uh, they were reasonably friendly. They were cool. I mean their dogs were cute. I petted their dogs. I mean, we'll pet all the dogs. You will pet all the dogs. We'll pet all the dogs. You bring a dog Around'm gonna petry dog. Oh see here, I'm looking through the chat Stuart. I've given up on herassing you about not using the promo code. You're incorrigible. But I mean, I'm I'm overWe I'm happy that you're a repeat customer. Though, to be fair, I'm a repeat customer too. I mean, I get high on my own supply. It is a thing as well. It's good coffee. Ki. I store my AMMO in my gun, which is stored and transported on my belt. Comma. However, Comma, we're gonna talk about what you do when you're carrying more gun and more AMMO. Than you can fit on your belt. There is only so much AMMO that will fit on my belt. Listen, if you can fit a freakin fit cow amo can stuff to the room with bullets on your belt, you and I need to have a discussion. I need to see that. So when we went to the at the end of the shotgun class that I took with Track and Andrew, they do the rolling thunder portion, which is for however long they feel like everyone's just shooting, shooting till you're board or empty. So I took and I put what was it? I had one, two, three, I had six shotgun cards, not including what was the two on the shotgun. And then I dumped four boxes in my dump pouch. That was fucking heavy and I was wearing suspenders. That was to wait. Five boxes ten rounds of box, Yeah, I think so. No, No, they're twenty round boxes. There's a hundred rounds at what at a half ounce each? No, they were number seven three quarter ounds. It was a lot of weight. It was buddy, you're a You're not that big of a guy to have that much weight hanging off a belt either. I had suspenders on though it was fine. Thank god, you don't have enough butt to hold that belt up. I don't with a regular belt most of the time. If there wasn't the if there wasn't the holstar giving me the extra friction, my pants would fall off with a belt on. It's terrible, that's fair. I got a dime. Raggle at here he said, Oh, you can tell them about the time I rolled my stuff in a blanket because it didn't have any rifle cases on hand, so he can revolt on it. Well. But he and I met each other. It was actually one of the Cyper Survivalist events. It was supposed to be like a camping train. No one else showed up except for me and my wife and my daughter. But Raggle came out to hang out with this for the morning and literally like brought me over by the back of his truck, like what you expect to happen when you get walked out to the windowless van with the free AMO signs on the side of it, and he drops the tailgate, unrolls the blanket and it's just a cornic copia of horse of firepower, horsepower. Nice beautiful. That's what you need to have. He does have some toys. I do have to admit, that's anyway. So yeah, firearms, gear and AMMO, storage and transportation. So let's start with storage. The gold of storage is from my perspective, to prevent mildew, rust and damage. And in my state am biding by safe storage laws because if you have it in a case and the case is not locked, and your car gets broken into and the case gun gets stolen, you get charged. See, Okay, we have to have terms I call storage like stationary storage with the minute goes in your vehicle. I call that transportation because it's moving places technically accounts in your house too. If you just have it stuck in a unlocked case in your house, you get popped even though your doors are locked. Yeah okay, so prevent theft, even though you and I know, I don't include that in the criteria because if I have an angle grinder, don't mind making some noise. I can get your safe open. It's not that hard, exactly, Ragle. If the case was locked and they broke the case open, I believe you're in the clear. But the case safe or gun cabinet has to be locked in your locked house. Otherwise you've contributed to the delinquency of a felon. I guess this is why you should never let morons write or state laws. But I dis Yeah, so okay. Complying with idiotical us. I'll add into that, like keeping them out of the hands of people. They don't need to be had in the hands of minors. I have a fourteen year old runner around the house. I don't let her have ready access to guns. Anytime she wants to like see anything or full with anything, it's gonna be with the parental supervision. But so when I talk about storage, like, I know that there's this world of opinions about out there about what is like proper or preferable ways to store all this stuff. There's a lot of opinions there are. There are a lot of correct answers, there really are, And that's I feel like, that's that's kind of the point of view I want to take about that. A lot of this topic is like there are many right answers. There might be some more right than others, but there are very few wrong answers. Yeah, but the wrong ones are really wrong. The wrong ones should be pretty obviously and horribly wrong. But like I said, I mean I know that, I know that I have friends that have like full on, like liberty gun safs in their house, and there are people that depend on like you're more reasonably prized, like the little gun cabinets I call them, because that's really what it is. It's a metal cabinet. You go get it from academy, it comes flat packed, and you build it and tell yeah, there's some flat pack safes that are incredibly durable. I mean, I'd be the first to say that my personal one of my one of my storage items for years has been Bear in mind that I used to do car audio work, right mm hm, so I had lots of three quarter MDF just lying around all the time. I built myself a fairly large cabinet with with stored racks and everything inside of it, specifically for firearms, and the hinges are on the inside of it. The HASP is largely concealed inside of it. It's got a padlock on the front of it. Like, could you get it open? Absolutely? Are you going to get it open without a serious fight? Absolutely not. It's going to put up. It's going to put up a fight. Yeah. I mean there's there's the old school, and everybody's seen them. The old school glass and brass cabinets, nice hardwood cabinet, delaying your side, you know your your coach gun, you're side by side, you're over under, very pretty break into they are considering it's a single pane of untempered glass yep, and probably a skeleton key lock that you've definitely lost, if my experience with those is anything to go by. Yeah, and other than those, let's see here, what if they we already went through. Yeah, kdive PK. I like to prevent RUSS mildew and damage to my wife as well. I'm not gonna touch that with a ten foot pole. I don't know why your wife would be rusting, and I'm not sure I want to ask. It's a dry spray on rust preventative. See, that's one thing about firearms like I have, I have never felt the need. And part of that could also be like I have a personal thing where if my fires have set dorm it for too long, I like to like take it, take a half a day, pop everything open, pull everything out, clean and spec field strip, put a patch through the barrel, like you know, just kind of like give them a good once over and make sure there's nothing doing anything it shouldn't be doing, and then pack it all away. But I have always made a habit of leaving kind of a thin sheen of ballast all on everything, not even like wet, not beaded, literally like I spray a little bit on a rag and then just wipe it down and then put it away just like that. And that thin sheen of ballistall has always been enough, at least for me, given that this stuff is all stored inside of a house in the most human place on earth. Well, as long as you have some kind of protective film on it, it's probably gonna be okay whatever you choose to use, whether it's ballast all, I mean, mold shields, a tool and dye thing. We get it by the case at work, so you know, I can get it pretty cheap. And I also keep machine tools here at home, so I keep a spray can of that stuff around. Anything that will put a rest preventative film on it is great. Or vacuum sealum. Yeah. Now, insofar as like when you keep stuff in a safe, tell me the truth, because I've never used it. Those those little like the little lights that the gold rods do, those damp things work for Okay, So basically what it is is it it generates heat, and the heat dries out the air and drives out the moisture. Technically, yes, it can work if your gun safe is reasonably well sealed and you're not in a superhumid environment. You know what I do. I run a dehumidifier twenty four to seven three sixty five set to to drop my basement down to below fifty percent ambient humidity, and I've never had a rust. Issue in my safe. Even though I don't put like a heavy coating of any thing on most of my guns because most of them are in use, I do have an old single shot bolt action twenty two that I keep around for teaching young people. For teaching children, because number. One, it's a long gun, I can very easily see where that muzzle is going when I am training an eight year old or a ten year old. And number two, there's only one round in it. Ever, because it's a single shot bolt action, it makes it very convenient for teaching people. That's a very good training aid. That one. That one is coded in mold shield and heavily oiled, and that sits in the back of there because the next people I will probably need to train with firearms are one and not born yet. That's fair. Yeah, all right, and about the onlier thing I can think of to chuck in here, and we talk about like just. What's where I'm looking for here? Storage non mobile, stationary storage stationary, that's the word I was looking for. That's fair. Only I've only gotten halfway through this yet finish. I still have the powers of being gold. But when we talk about stage three storage, like, the only thing I think about. Is like hidden storage. You know what I'm saying, which kind of obscurity, Yeah, kind of dovetails into the uh. I guess we'll rearrange these things because this is the thing Steward asked for, which kind of fits between the two. But like whether you whether you subscribe to the idea of like wall safes or. I know that they make. Hidden safe seat like they basically you replace like the mantle of your fireplace. Like there's our bookcases, bookshelves, Like there's a var idea of there's a variety of things out there, whether we're talking about pre built items or furniture or techniques things you can build yourself DIY like I don't. I don't personally subscribe to the idea of like hidden saving every farm you have personally, just because when I look at when I look at terms of my own individual one of one experience, like the amount of money I have invested in the wall safe and the amount of money I have invested in like the whole friggin. Case that I build. I can store three times so many farms in that big old case, and it cost me less than half the money of the thing that hides the guns. So I look at it as if I had to have this, if I had had this form factor to store every firem I own, it would take many times more money to hide them with this versus that, or versus like the ninety nine dollars special cabinet from Academy. You know, I will say one thing about those those hidden gun storage things, They're never that that hidden. They're never that hidden. My uncle, when I was growing. Up, he had a He had one of the really early generation ones that was up. It was like a floating shelf and you slid the magnet across the top done latch and it would fall down and in there was a revolver. Guess what we found when we were twelve that revolver. Because I was like, that's a weird thing on the mantle, that's a weird thing on the shelf. It was the little white thing with the magnet in it that's supposed to just look like a decorative choshki. I was like, that's not something my uncle would keep in his house, grabbed it, slid it across the shelf. I heard a click, moved it back, pulled the bottom of the shelf down and there was a three fifty seven. Now I was grown. I grew up around some guns. Not in my parents' house, but my grandparents house, my uncle's houses. They had guns. So I didn't dick around with it. But twelve year old me walking past the shelf went, oh, that's kind of weird. Thirty five year old find it right, thirty five year old me. I have walked into a half a dozen homes meeting new people and gone, there's a gun in that flag, there's a gun in that book, Or when I was touring homes with my wife, there's a gun above that ceiling tile. But now here's here's my question, and There is no wrong answer to this, barring the experience you had as a probably hyper inquisitive twelve year old. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm definitely not a normal I was definitely not a normal twelve year old. Possibly touched with a little bit of the tism. Just a scoche, just a scosh. I run into this problem all the time whenever I tell people about like concealed carrying, and like everybody thinks first start to constial carry, like, oh god, I'm printing everybody can see I have a gun, and I'm like, dude, most people couldn't see if you had a freaking tail growing out of your ass, Like they're that far into their phone and into their bull crap, or they're yelling at their kids, or they're staring at somebody else, like they are not paying attention to the little, the little, the little thing that's poking out from your shirt. No one notices. Most people aren't. But young boys like to fuck with shit. True, But I guess I guess to your point about you can see where all those hidden guns are, It's like, yeah, I can't see. Yeah yeah, But when you live in this world, you just learn what to look for because it's like it's like the age old argument about like I literally so a couple I think it may have been last week or a week, and before I was at the zone, I was picking up extra oil and filters and everything because you know, straight upfoar moves and I ran and all that, and the guy that was checking me out didn't ask any questions, said nothing, just said I'm gonna get you the veterans discount mm hm and like you can see it, oh yeah, And I immediately said, thanks Ford, you serve because as soon as like I had already pegged him and he had already pagged me. Yeah, And it turns out he was a Desert storm era navy vat. But he took one look at me from across stoor ands that that dude's that dude was in the army YEP. But it's just one of those things where, like you're in this world, when you're one of the quote unquote gun guys, you can see that. A lot a lot of you can. And my concern is just that. With those hidden and relatively unsecured storage medias, it only takes the unattended inquisitive child seconds to get into it. Now at the time My uncle's kids were my same age, and they knew what to and not to do. Jeff. They were not disguised as like a bust. They were disguised as like a bottle. Opener on this one in particular, almost, I mean, like a bottle opener. But if you have like a one and a quarter one and a half inch drow bit, you can disguise as whatever you want. Oh yeah, you absolutely could. I mean it's not that it wouldn't be that difficult to make a new magnet key or whatever it is, but it just, I don't know. Even as a child, those sorts of things stood out to me. And maybe that's because of how my brain's wired. But my my worry about it is is kids throw stuff. Yeah, kids bump into stuffs, pull on stuff. Those magnet locks are not that strong. I just I don't I don't like unsecured, unattended guns around children. Totally understand. I also believe in that vein though, of making sure that the children themselves are not unattended. Oh I agree, you probably shouldn't have I mean, like twelve year olds unattended probably fine. I mean, look, my kids, my kid's grown up around firearms she's she's gotten the gun safety speech at least once a year since she was like six. Yeah, and she knows where the farms are in the house. She knows she's not permitted to have access to them without mom or dad around. But to me, I mean, I I totally understand see your point, not arguing that. I do think that there is there is a balance point here. There is like supervised the children, and then the fact that they could theoretically get into the hidden safe is one thing. The other reason that I tend to I tend to like having at least one and house is because that gives me an opportunity to put firearms where they are easier to get too, quicker than having root around in the safe for its immediate home defense use. And that's one reason why I'm looking to put a single lot, a single long gun storage cabinet in the master closet. Refresh that we're doing. I told you what you could do on the spring. Oh and then some kevlar. I mean, we talked about it. We had a whole plan. I can't imagine that your your lovely lady is going to sign off on that idea, but. It was a good idea. I mean, as long as it was budgetarily fitting into the build, it probably wouldn't matter, because. As long as it looks good in the end, she's usually fine with whatever I have to do. It is not budgetarily, it's really not. I looked into how much those kevlar panels are. They're not that expensive. They're potently pricey. But but but wait, but wait, what if. What would it take if you got like some second, like some chipped. Porcelain tiles, the weight would become an issue. Yeah, I'm thinking to myself, like porcelain versus steel, you're not really gonna save much weight. Well by the time so by the time you got enough of those porcelain tiles and a bonding agent and a frame to support it, yeah, you're you're looking at significantly heavier than like the kevlar panels that you can just buy, because you can buy four by eight sheets of kevlar panels that will stop rifle rounds. I just don't think I'm gonna get my way in build a pill box in your bedroom. Probably not. It was a good idea, but I will know Stewart, if we were we have told you in the past, we're not pausing. That's why this is on the internet and you can rewind it yourself later. Besides, all we did was talk about my failed plan to add bedroom furniture to Nick and Rachel's bedroom. That's being vetoed well, and now you have to rewind it to see what I'm talking about budgetarily vetoed if nothing else, But look, I get what you're saying. And yeah, my everyday carry pistol. If it's not on my hip, it is in my bedroom and that's usually when I'm in the shower or you know, if my wife's all the home or we're sleeping, because most of the time I'm wearing pants, and if I'm wearing pants, I'm wearing a gun. So it seems realistic. But leading into that next topic, this was Stewart's idea. He wanted us talking to work in gray Man. Oh though, but we can't talk about that just yet. Can't talk about it just yet. We talked about firearm storage. We haven't talked about ammunition storage, even though we've talked about in the past, which means we'll probably accomplish it barely quickly. What's your What's what's your preference? First of all for ammunition storage. There's two different ways that tend to story emo okay, uh thirty or fifty calai EMO cans or the MTG flip top boxes. And I've got one of the ANTG or MTM MTM sorry okay MTM AMMO boxes the little fliptops. For some of my reloads. And the only reason I am currently storing those not in ammal cans is I ran out of ammo cans. That that's impressive. I cannot find any that I can acquire for free or dirt cheap, so I've been neglecting buying them, and I don't see any reason to buy those new because eventually, eventually somebody in my circle will have a family member that will pass away that'll have six of those in their garage that are empty and been sitting there forever, and I will get them for like three dollars or just for getting them out of the garage. So I'm not paying twenty two dollars for them at Farm and Fleet. I mean, if you don't need it to be portable, you could always get not the sterilide bins from Walmart, but like the rubber made ones, they are just a little bit stouter you could and then start packing up your AMMO either in either in ziploc bags or in vacuum bags with some desk and packs. So the new Ziploc bags, unless you buy the freezer ones, will not support one hundred rounds of nine millimeters. The bottom scene blows out. Yeah, and I'm not doing them in fifty count bags. If I'm doing them in ziplocks. If I'm doing them in mtms, I'll do them in fifty or one hundred count. But I just I've got I bought all of the blue and red MTM cases that were in stock on Amazon a few weeks back when I started reloading or a few months back when I started reloading again, literally all of them available on Amazon. But you know that works pretty well. I don't like the plastic AMMO cans. The handles tend to blow off or the bottoms tend to blow out. I've not had great experience with those, so I just stick with steel GI cans for the most part. I actually have it. It's back throw on the shelf behind me. But my secret Sanda gift was one of the very large MTM like kind of AMMO crate. Yeah, I've got one of those two. That's what all my nine mills in right now. I like it. It gets a little heavy, Yeah, I could see that. I might. That might be what I packed to go to Kentucky. Though. It's a good range box, just because. Yeah it's It is definitely not a you know, toed it for like a mile down the road kind of thing, but for a hey, you friend of mine, grab the air side of this handle. Let's bring all of our AMMO together out to the to the shooting bench. Seems perfect for that. See what you definitely don't do don't buy the forty mili grenade cans and fill it full at twelve gage double lot. I've done that. That will aggravate a hernia. So I have that. But that is so in the name of full disclosure, everything you said from now I agree with wholeheardly. Comma. However, Comma, I learned a very long time. Ago that the stupidest, most like the least responsible thing I could do, given the fact that I have a blown out hip and a blown out knee, and two discs in my back that don't like me very much, and a separated shoulder and several other problems that I'm trying not to get worked on before I'm fifty. The worst thing I could do for myself was to kart a fifty cow can fill to the brim with any kind of ambo, any long distance, because everything was going to start to hurt after that. So what I've disciplumed myself to do is is that I use fifty cow cans and my forty cow my forty mili mere grenade can for stationary storage. In other words, like these things stay on the shelves, yeah, yeah, and then. I pull it off the shelf, opening it up, take the AMA. You need to go to the range. Yeah. Now for my reloads, like I have just some generic containers that have have salvage over the years, not quite coffee cans, but like one step above that, and MTM cases and thirty cow cans. I really like if you deal with just bulkamb because you know, a thirty cow can by virtue of being smaller than fifty cow can, even when you fill to the absolute top, it's a lot lighter. Yeah it is. And if if you're the kind of person that's gonna blow through a thirty cow amo can of any freaking reasonable sized cartridge in a range day. Then I'd have no more advice to give you. You just do a whole lot more shooting than I do. That. That was my average of what I would bring up nine mil when I was doing competition shooting, where I'd go for a range day because I would bring a thirty Klamo can of nine mil. I'd bring a thirty Klamo can of loaded a rmags and I'd bring a thirty cal Amo can of twelve gage, and I would bring lunch, and I would go and I would not be back home until dinner time. That's fair, it was. But you know my range was an hour and forty minutes away. So if I'm gonna go, I'm going all day. Yeah. And the only other thing I'm gonna say before we get back to gray Man is like the airthing, I store my ammunition in the thing I encourage all the ustory ammunition in is magazines. Yeah, I had look there. Remember I said, there are no wrong answers. Some answers are more right than others. I'm not gonna say this answer is more right than not. I'm not even gonna say it's right. I'm just gonna tell you that from my perspective, every single every firearm in this house has a loaded magazine in it. Every magazine in this house has ammunition in it. There are no unloaded magazines. There are no magazines that are like like with the I have a very small I have a very small group of AK mags that I hang on to them for science projects because one day I think I'm gonna take the time to like cut slots or windows or something in them, or do something crazy with them, because they're they're scratching, dense specials, and I've refurbished them enough to where they're usable, but they're ugly and they're not the greatest thing in the world. And I've got a stack of perfectly good Romania mag that feed perfectly, so I'm not worried about these things. But those are cording off away from everything else. But any magazine I have in my safe, any magazine on that shelf, any magazine anywhere else in the house, they are all loaded. So I know that if I grab that magazine, it's it's got party favors in it, and there's no debate about oh this is the unloaded water Oh this is the one that has the fourteen on the bottom of it, this is the one that doesn't like to feed. If you loaded to thirty rounds, every magazine is ready for war. They're all loaded. And the first time I have a magazine feed issue, I confirm that it has an issue. And I eighty six had magazine because I don't want it in the house in circulation. I don't have all of my magazines loaded. I have a lot of magazines I have. I have a couple of ammial cans that just have empty magazine them and that is the empty mag ammal can for that firearm. H if the mags not in there, they're loaded. I did say there were. There were. There were very you wrong. Answers here and acceptable. As long as you acknowledge that that can is not the break in case of emergency can. No, it's absolutely not. That that can is largely populated with dry fire training magazines. The magas are taped a specific color, some of them are spray painted a specific color. Live ammunition never goes in those magazines for that reason. Raglask and if you ever do you not do spring replacement. Sometimes yes, Sometimes it's the feed lips, and some feed lips you cannot reform. He might be referring to my comment earlier about when a magazine gives me the problems I digit, so probably I will. I will acknowledge that that like if I can bring that magazine back to life very very quickly with a fresh magazine spring, or if, like when I said, if I cannot remediate it, I mean, I'm gonna try to change the magazine spring. I'm gonna take the magazine part. I'm gonna check the follower. I'm a check for dirt, I'm ana check for grant. I'm gonna check for some obvious reason why it's misbehaving. If I cannot find the problem, and I cannot get this magazine to behave itself with a fresh magazine spring, it is useless to me. It is not worth having a science experiment masquerading as a defensive weapon. So that's why I'm. Saying, like, if I cannot bring it back to life, it's going away. That's not reasonable. I'm the same way with firearms. If I have a firearm that is just like categorically misbehaving, I'm either gonna fix it myself, I'm gonna take it somebody that knows more than I do and tell them don't give a shit what it costs, fix it, make it right, or I'm gonna move it. I'm gonna sell it off with the understanding that hey, this thing like James every fourth round, it doesn't behave itself because I don't want I don't want to fire them in the house that I have to worry about. That's fair. I do have a couple of mags for my for one of my springfield pistols that they have always intermittently caused failure to feeds in my XDM. I believe it was those two magazines in particular cost failure to feeds. The reason why I keep them is for is for training, for training failures. And as long as you keep those things. Far far away, yeah, from anything you would it's like the dummy mags. Ye, it's it's it's like my it's like my dry fire mags. They are explicitly set aside for a sole purpose, and that is training malfunctions. I'm I'm sure it's probably a feed lip geometry issue. Could I correct it? Maybe? Is it a useful training aid to me? Or was it a useful training aid to me? When I was shooting a lot of IDPA it was because I could train intermittent failures and see. I go another way when I'm doing drive FI training, in that my magazines are the same magazines I use. For defensive work. But what I do, and I've talked about this before on the show, Like my thing is I get an empty coffee can, I download one percent of the ammunition out of that, out of all those magazines, into a coffee can, and I leave that in my bedroom. Sure, I come to my. Office where I do not have live ammunition in any of those magazines. There's some live ammo in the in the room, but like it's on a shelf in magazines that I'm not going to. Be like, hey, random magazine sticking in the gun on drive firing. With like a little bit of common sense. As long as you have a system and you follow that system without exception, you're probably gonna be fine. Yeah. So I don't have dedicated dry fire mags, but I have a dedicated, very explicit system of make sure that I don't wind up with surprises in the middle of my drive firing sessions. Yeah, surprise live fire in the middle of dry fire kind of kills the vibe. Yeah, I'd also have a very very angry Sicilian lady on my hands, and she's a lot less cute. When she's mad. I believe that. Okay, so Stuart wants talking about man and since it perfectly dovetails between storage and transportation, we kind of already hinted at when we were talking about like plain sight ways to store a firearm. I'll be honest, and one of our someone in the chat said earlier, like their preferred way of store on a firearm is on their hip. That is always the thing I go to whenever I talk about storing a firearm in your home where you want it to be secure and you don't want to be obvious, put it on your freaking hip, dress around it, always carry m Anybody that can wrestle a firearm away from you off of your hip deserves to have it, and you don't. Yep, you should practice weapon or attention. Yeah, and it is always at hand if you need it. And back to the thing I said earlier, most people are so self absorbed their cell phones and their nonsense and social media and TikTok and shit, they're not going to notice if. You have a bazooka under your shirt. Yeah, I wear a gun to work every single day, and I've had coworkers that have worked with me for the entire time I have worked at this job over fifteen years. And the only reason several of them have not is Number one one jackass was throwing magnets at me and. One stuck whoops. That took some explaining. And number two is because they're also gun guys. The other ones that know are also gun guys, and most of them are carrying too. Stewart's saying he meant for transportation. I know we're getting to it. We're getting to it. We've got a cruise over storage for real fast, and then we'll get into specifically gray Man storage, and then we'll transfer, we'll transfer off to non gray Man storage. So my favorite gray Man transportation firearm method is I have a gym bag. YEP. The only thing I used this gym bag for is carting around guns. I don't use it for clothing, I don't use it for anything else. It is literally specifically purpose made for bringing guns places. I don't want to bring a gun bag. But here's the trick. There's no molly, there's no patches, there's no friggin velcrow on it. It's not tactical, it's not Odie green. It's actually like forest green and black. But like it it it It literally looks like I bought it from Walmart. And that's the freaking appeal. It is a it's just a regular nonscript gin bag that happens to be fairly heavy duty, and it's got nice heavy duty you know, like nylon grit handles on it. But normally what I do is I end that I will have typically my ces scorpion, my merse. So with that, I've got you know, spa magazines for my gun or for my carry gun, spare magazines for the scorpion. I've got the blowout kit in it. Just to that, I'll sometimes add like a couple of emergency rations, maybe some water. And it is my it is my bag of like, this is the stuff I need to keep close at hand in case things start happening. Yeah, your hotel room bag exactly. And that's the thing. That's the thing that's the biggest reason I got it years ago was because A if it's sitting in the back of my wife's jeep when we're on a trip and we have to open it up in public for any reason, it's not a freaking like a rifle case or a rifle bag. It just blends in it does I. You know, I have a hiking bag that is specifically purchased because it is long enough to put at the time I would travel with a broken down AR. I can't do that in this state anymore, so changes have to be made. Yeah, but. A fifty liters hiking bag when you're in a location because most of the time when New Mooife travel, it's to places where we can go hiking. Everybody is carrying a random colored hiking bag. Nobody notices, nobody cares. Yes, if somebody smashing grabs into your are they going to grab the hiking back because hiking gear is expensive and you can flip it for sale pretty cheap. Yep, But they would have grabbed the gun case two in that case. Yeah, you know, it's it's really meant to just not attract extra attention. Yeah. And since you were talking about how you used to carry a a broken down AR like when we went to Michigan this past year, that's what I had in mind, because you know, I was going a little bit further, a little bit for a little bit longer than usual. So in this one gym bag, I had my scorpion and the merse and an AR fifteen broken in half wrapped up it. I just wrapped it up in a couple of towels so that didn't beat it beat itself to death. Yeah, and a chest rig and I think three. Or four extra magazines. That's fair. So I'm sitting here on like you know, a mag and the gun, three more on the chest rig, three or four extra mags. And that's all in five five six. And that's on top of the fact that I have a whole scorpion plus all that, and this all fit into one gym bag, one heavy gym bag, but one gym bag that I was able to put take from the back of the jeep, put it on the floor of the bedroom, and no one had any earthly idea until I brought you in there. Show another great one for that's hockey gear bags that would actually attract way more attention than you would. Imagine around here. It yeah, down where you are sure where there are several hockey like leagues. Around me, there's four or five hockey leagues. And that's just the rec beer leagues. Half I see in the in the fall and winter, when I'm going to the gas station, it is not uncommon to see two or three guys with hockey bags in the back of the truck, just rolling around in the open bed of a pickup. And see that's a fine thing. Around here, a rifle bag in the back of somebody's car or sub really much eyebrows. Nope, but around here the police may depending on your county, ask a question. And around here, like I don't have to worry about the police, obviously, but like, my biggest worry is always that one random a hole who does not respect your property. Yeah, and just on the offhanch hands, they just smash a window, look for something to snatch. Hopefully their eyeballs won't latch onto the nonscript gym bag that's sitting there. Yeah, that's true, because okay, best case it has some high end gym gear in it. Best case for the most part, for gym bags. Uh, you know. The other one I like is a halfway decent backpack. Yeah, get it, dude, get get it. Get a janceport the next time you buy fine. I don't mean because there are anything great, but because because they're nondescript. You know. The interesting thing about that is is I see more people today in my area wearing mollied out backpacks everywhere, everywhere, everybody at my local game store. If it's not a Hello Kitty or other like anime them backpack, and even some of those have molly on them. Now it's a molly covered five to eleven. Bag, but a hell style. But a Hello Kitty bag would definitely fly under the radar. If you saw me wearing a Hello Kitty bag, the first thing going through your head is there's a gun in that bag. No, first thing I have one. First thing I would think of is web. Maybe the furthest thing from a fucking web though. A easy easy now I've been I've been an anime head for freaking like three decades. I like anime too, but there's a difference between liking well made media and being a fucking web. Oh it's a guilty pleasure, though that's fair. I mean, every now and then you just have to squeal like a girl while watching. And there it is. All of those bags are well and good as long as you don't get out of the vehicle with a giant blocks or shall not be in fringe sticker Blue Lives Matter sticker. It's a very excellent point. KD five pck. Let me introduce y'all to a term that is not unique to the military, but that's where I first got introduced to it something being sterile. Other than the fact that it's a toy. It's coma with a soft topper on the back of it, which in most circles just means I'm into overlanding or hiking or camping. But there's not a single bumper sticker, not a windows sticker, not a license plate frame, nothing on my truck to indicate the types of things that might be stored in it. And I encourage all of you knuckleheads out there, you have the right to do whatever you want and not debating that, but I don't like to advertise to the person behind me, especially given the current political climate of twenty twenty six, what I may or may not be into that they might be having a bad en up data I. Want to do me physical violence over. Look the element of surprise in when it comes to self defense is probably your best tool. And if if I look, you guys have all seen the truck that that we're talking about, it's got a rammer bar probably on the front. It may have an upgraded heavy bumper on the rear. It's got punisher skulls or old military unit insignias, or the was a Calvin pissing on the glock logo, or carried by carried by six instead of judged by twelve or something. Yeah, any any of those things, you know, no offense to those of you that like to fly your political flag. But if you've got r NC stickers on your car, if you've got d n C stickers on your car, if you've got the coexist, but it's made out of different gun logos. All right. Look, if I'm looking for a free gun, and if I'm already planning on doing a felony, I might as well steal. Your gun to do it with. And let me just let me just have one thing off the pass. There is somebody out there who's gonna puff their chest out, and Billy bad Ass be like, oh, dear, well, guess what. Every now and then you park your car in a parking lot and leave it unattended, sometimes for hours at a time. I would rather my vehicle. I would rather not come back to my vehicle with multiple broken windows and everything taken out of it because I advertise that I have easily sold in pawn things in my vehicle while it's left unattended for hours on end. And that goes for tool. Logos, trady logos, anything like that that says I might have expensive shit, those salt life stickers that everybody has in the back of their car. I know a fishing guy. The reason he doesn't put that shit on the back of his car anymore is because all of his expensive fishing gear got stolen out of his truck. They cut his soft top or open into everything out. It do be like that, sometimes it do be, and but that's that's another point too, is if you don't have that security through obscurity going for you, you can use things like blankets, jackets, cargo covers, soft toppers, hardtoppers, tinted windows so that the random passerby isn't looking and going, oh, there's a gun. Case locks keep honest people honest. They do, and if it doesn't look like there's anything in your vehicle, they're less likely to try. And get in to see if there's anything in there. They're gonna go for the one that said, oh, there's a laptop bag on the front seat smash grab gut. So let's talk about nots a gray man storage. First of all, I have the midget coffin, as you so happily called it, sitting back there behind me. I'm convinced you could use that to bury a midget. I mean, it's only about that wide, so it had to be a very thin midget. But let's not let's not critique the weight of most midgets. I'm not critiquing anything. I'm just saying, you know, it wouldn't be a thick. One true anyway. So yeah, I did buy a hard storage case, first of all, because I haven't had a hard storage crek case since I deployed Iraq, like it has been up till this point, I've made do with soft sided rifle bags, and for you know, bouncing in the backseat of my truck from here to local gun range, that was perfectly fine. Mm hmm. I love soft sided cases for short, for short transit. I mean, let's start there. Soft sided cases have a lot going for him that this big old heavy bastard behind me doesn't. They're lighter, they're simpler, they're cheaper, and nine times out of ten, the protection offered by them is perfectly acceptable. It's good enough for short term drives. But I wouldn't want a road trip, say from Illinois to Kentucky with one. I wouldn't want to ship a gun in one, or put one on the in the cargo whole aircraft. Oh god, no, I've seen how those cargo handlers handle expensive items. Didn't I tell you I used to work in commercial aviation. You did. I'm not going to say that cargo handlers are unnecessarily rough, but I am going to tell you that they have a very short amount of time to yeat all of your baggage from the baggage belt into the cart, and they have to get it into the cart as quickly as possible, so it's kind of like playing tetris at full speed and full contact. They and then they drive it out to the aircraft in a thing that doesn't that has like you know, rust for suspension, so it just pop the whole way out there on mostly solid tires and mostly solid suspension. And then they get out to the aircraft and they have another belt that they have to just chuck it onto as fast as possible to get it up into the belly of the aircraft and they take it from here and they throw it to the back of the belly and they have to stack it up. It is not a gentle process. If you have things like Faberge eggs or the Queen's jewelry or something crazy like that, that is carry on stuff that is not yeat into the belly of the aircraft. Stuff. Your guns, unless they are a lot less precious to you, are not yeat into the belly of the aircraft. Guns without industrial great protection. Yeah, I mean, you know Ragels saying he even had his Pelican case damage by flight handlers. That is some enthusiastic rough handling. That's what I was gonna say. I've got a couple of Pelican cases for smaller stuff, and god damn dude, that's brutal. Yeah, I mean, that's that's weapons great neglectful handling right there. Mm hmm. Yeah. That that is some serious roughhousing with the equipment. KTI five PD KT five PC. I yelled my wife all the time. By leaving her purse insight in her car when she parks and doesn't take it with her. That no offense to your wife, but that is begging for a smashing grab and all I can tell you but is that if the day ever comes, boy, you better swallow that. I told so. Yeah, that's that's that would be a fight. That's the fight. Start starting a fight. Yeah, I'm not even going to start the fight for you, because then you'll have to fight me to defend her honor, Like it will be some shit. Yeah, you might just need to leave that one alone. You know. I've I have largely always had. I have some cheap like the Plano hard side cases you pick up the local hardware store, because when I was first getting into guns, that's what they had for sale at the local hardware store. And I was like I would I went to my gun dealer and they're like, okay, you gotta have a case to take this home. And I'm like, fuck, all right, where's got one for sale? He's a farmer Fleet five minutes that way. All right, go to farmer Fleet, pick it up, come back. But the get in the case, put in my truck, good to go. But not to mention like it's I don't want to cast any aspersions, but I'm going to hide. I'm going to guess that when you first started out getting into guns, it would not have made a tremendous men of sense to spend four hundred dollars on a case to bring home whatever gun you were bringing home. It was a Remington American or Remington Axis. It was the cheapest Remington bolt to. Action with no scope. No, that's not an American, that's a Ruger. It's not an axis. That's a savage. Oh well, it was the It was the dirt cheap Remington that was made in like the mid two thousands, not a seven hundred. It was like two hundred. No, it was not. It was like two hundred and thirty dollars. So so spending four hundred dollars on a Pelican case would have been a lit good. No, I spent fourteen dollars on that Plano case, and I was like, God, damn, it's fourteen dollars. I guess that was the point I was trying to make, Like, I I got this thing, which we can talk about maybe on another show, maybe the end of this show, if you really want to. But I mean, I haven't even used it yet. You got to get some use out of it, I think before we deep die. Well, I mean, that's the whole that's that's what's gonna be cardon shut up to Kentucky. So we're gonna get some. Wraggle dimed you out forgot to ask during the firearm storage portion, what's your take on the Magpool modular inserts they make for Pelicans and Plano's. The Daca inserts. Let's star that for just a minute, mm hmm in generality. So I like, like we were saying earlier, I got a hard case because I'm gonna be throwing this stuff, probably underneath a whole bunch of other luggage and driving get nine hours away from home, and I think that merits a little bit more protection than what a soft side of bag would give you. Also, because due to the size limitation of the particular soft side of bag I have, it is really add its happiest with just my bolt action or tightfit two ars A it's ajointed rifle bag. It's got a divider in the middle. Yeah, it is really, really, really grumpy when you stick a forty two inch long bolt action on one side and a full sized ar with an a two stock and an eighteen inch barrel on the other side. That thing those zippers were threatening to do violence. Yeah, so I needed something that could comfortably swallow two rifles plus plus some accouterments. And I also want something that would be enough protection that I wasn't going to have concerns about this stuff getting damaged for a long road trip. So to Raggle's point, what I wound up getting was this Magpole R forty four, which is basically Magpole's case plus their DACA insert. I don't have any experience with it yet or then having like taking it out and and basically shoved it over there. I was going to actually take it to the gun range this weekend, but I don't yet know that's gonna happen. That's contingent upon adult things. But I will say that like my particular reasons for getting this versus because with your hard cases, with your soft cases, which are really depending on is just the padding of the case to kind of like protect things, or the case of like little range bags. You can get these little inserts into the range bag that your gun goes in, so there's two layers of padding. So the one thing I'm gonna correct Stewart on because he's saying if your rifle is in a soft case and can't get luggage pile on top of it. It's a toy, not a serious rifle, except for two things. It's not necessarily that I am concerned about putting something on top of it destroying the rifle, because I'm not. I'm not even super good learnt about destroying the optic because I appreciate that. I'm concerned about it shifting my zero. Not really, but that is my concern because on just one of my weapons, I've got a red dot and a laser box, and they're both and they're both z road. I see that potentially being a concern. It's also a little bit like the cost investment in it, because your laser box is not cheap. I mean, it is a cheap one. It's already eight hundred bugs. Well, it's what I'm saying. The laser box is twice the cost of your case. Yeah, so at a certain point, because of the value of the items you're putting into it, you do kind of want to spring for a better protection case just in case, I mean long road trips. What happens if you get in a rollover vehicle incident? I mean, if I get a rollover, I have a whole different set of problems. I'm concerned about but we worry about leaves do. But it would still be nice to not have all your shit broken. But yeah, I'm scattered across the highway. My bigger concern is not necessarily that, like the items inside the case would be completely destroyed to the point of unusability. But it'd be more the fact that, like I would really like for my zero not to shift on any of my stuff when I go out to the range, because Zero's a constantly wander every time you take your gun to and from a place. Concerns me for one reason, one reason only. If the zero wanders on the way of the range, guess what's gonna do on the way home? Good wander again. And if the zero wanders on the gun on the way from the range back to the house, then the work I just did to re zero it has been undone, which means the next time that rifle has to come out and act in home defense role, it's not gonna put bullets where I wanted to. I want nothing to do with any of that. And I understand Stuart's point. If a little tap on the scope causes to lose zero, the scope is probably the problem. True, But. I'm not willing to play with. I'm not willing to play with the potential for something to shift or move in storage and squash the squash a gun and cause the scope to move, or you know, cause a cause even cause a scope to like twist slightly in its mouth. Mhm, it's just not worth it. I think, grumpy old fart. If it shifts like that, the optic is the problem. I hear what you're saying, but I also believe in weird things happening. I'd rather just not tempt faate. Look, it is insignificant insurance. It's really what it is. It's it's just added protection. Perfect analogy. You and I've had this conversation about how I used to race cars years ago, Right, Okay, My particular brand of automotive masochism and excitement was auto crossing of road racing. So I never did drag racing a straight line. I did things where you had to drive around corners, and if you rally racing sort of thing, and if you do think it really really, really wrong, then that car tends to want to go upside down and does I was raising a mosque to Miata that has no roof, so I had a roll bar in the car for odds reasons, but. Miandas are not well known for taking rollovers well anyway. But if I was a good enough driver that I know need the rollbar, I still felt better having it. Yeah, it's it's just one of those things, cheap insurance. The top of my pretty little melon is not going to stand up to pavement here as well as that rollbar will. Plus, you know, the soft cases, while convenient, if you happen to be passing through a state that requires locks on your cases, some soft sided cases are disqualified immediately, yep, because you can grab that case and pop the zipper open without ever modifying the lock. I was gonna say, the everything probably are going to run to is if you try to fly with them. I guarantee one of those zipper cases or TSA. Compliant No they're not. And while I do think that the TSA compliant shit is shit. Oh definitely, the rules we have to live with sometimes. I have to live with the safe storage clauses for my state. And I will be in of our seven and a half hour drive to Kentucky, six and a half hours. Of my drive will be in Illinois. I mean, I think income tax is ridiculous, but I'm not willing to have the government kick my door in to prove, you know, to pick a fight of them about it. Yeah. And if you don't think the state would kick your front door and over income taxes, stop paying it for a while and tell me how it works. They do, yeah regularly anyway. So that's kind of my spiel. The thing I like about the DOCA grids and the Magpool cases that have the DACCA system in it is the fact that, like I've already been through this once with one of those hidden says we were talking about where I decided to reconfigure some things because I had a primary home defense weapon that came out, got reconfigured, and then something else went in its place, and all of a sudden, the. Foam that i'd cut no longer fit yep. So I bought a brand new piece of foam, glued it back into that, it glued back into the case, recut the whole thing, and guess what happened about four months later, changed it again. I haven't changed it yet. I actually kind of want to put a riser on that red dot on that primary home defense weapon, and I am refusing to because to do it, I'm gonna have to freaking refoam the case again, and. I just I've refuse to. I will not do it. You know, I was looking at I might buy a smaller piece of foam and like just cut out the section where that one gun is and glue it in because I just don't care if it looks pretty or not. But that experience of having a refoam case. Is multiple times. And any of you who've had a hard side case long enough to have like the pick and poll, the pluckable foam, or the phone that you have to like, you've done it. Sooner or later you have been in the situation where either the thing you cut no longer fits you just live with it, or you've had to refoam a freaking case, and that shit gets annoying real fast. What I like about the Magpool case is you have a grid. You have all your little bumpers, and you can pull them all out, move it around and play gun tetris inside the case. So I am no longer locked in to this thing fits this one gun or these two guns. I can't play with it to my heart's content. And based on what I wanted to bring to the range. I just lay it all out in there and make it fit and then latch it up and go. That has been one of the reasons preventing me for a long time from buying a high quality hard side case. And well, number one, I don't fly anywhere. I don't. I just don't like flying. I tend to if I'm going somewhere, I'm probably gonna drive because it is simply easier for me and what I like to bring with me. And number two because I didn't want to have to reconfigure the case every time I'm changing guns. Now. I did not know until you mentioned the Magpoldaca system to me that a system like that existed. So I've been making do with the comprised foam shitty plane O cases and soft side cases that fit pretty much all my guns because it's just velcrozem in. Yeah, but knowing that does exist, and knowing that. The Harbor Freight Apache nine eight hundreds are the exact same internal size it's a PLANEO case, I might tomorrow, after I go to the Range, go to Harbor Freight and pick up one of those and then order the Daka system it on Amazon. I mean as long as Now you have to bear in mind that, like the DACA system, they make it for specific. Models of cases. Yep. So if the Apache case you have has like a Pelican analog, you'd probably get And if not, I mean razor knife and cut it. It'll be close enough. I'll make something happen. Yeah, But like I said, the one that knife in the foam will do wonders. But the one thing I will point out, and this is kind of like cautionary note for anybody that's thinking about get one of these things I have. I have seen it written about and stated many times. I haven't tried it yet. We'll find out the hard way. But I have heard it. Said that in order to make these little blocks that secure a gun in place really work, right, they have to go they have to stretch from the gun to the edge of the case. So like if you have a gun in the middle of the case, you need to go from the edge out to the outer edge of the case so that like you know, so it can't push and fold out, so that it can't like rock that insert up rock because like the way these things work is that it's just two little pegs that. Fit down into the gate. It's like a Lego press fit. Yeah, it really is like almost like an upside down Lego that pops down into the grid on the bottom. And there's that potential that if you push on a heart up, it would rock it up and out of the grid and then start sliding around. Sure, I don't know, I mean that makes sense to me. I think that the key is in my case, like I planned, I plan to put two long guns in the case, so I shouldn't have a whole lot of dead zone to obscure with those blocks. It's gonna take some experimentation, but I would I would be hesitant to doubt what I have because I heard a similar thing reading about that case you bought on Reddit that if you don't put enough of those blocks in your stuff can shift. The guy that was saying it is a pretty well. Known guy on the say shooting community. He travels to a lot of different matches, a lot of different places, and if he's telling you, hey, you know, consider this, he's probably seen that occur. Yeah. Now, I will say, and for anybody that's coming up to a matter of fact summer camp, like you're welcome to take a case full red I'm going to, but I did go the extra step. It comes with a bunch of two side, a bunch of two to two cell blocks, and a bunch of three cell blocks. I also spent the extra money for what they call the V blocks, which is meant to like you lay a barrel in the middle of it. Yeah, and some of the angle blocks that fit really well around, like you know, an angle grip on an AR fifteen. And spend a couple more bucks on the little plastic storage cases that like pop down into the grid. Then you can put stuff in them. It's they're not big enough for magazines, but they are probably the right size for like cleaning kids, or take the bolt out of your ar, drop it in one of them, you know those kinds. Yeah, the little stuff you don't want to just like run loose. In the case. Sure, I did what I tend to do. I kind of think the same thing I did with the last big project I did, which was the man Pack, where it was like I kind of went way past the point of most people will do it to demonstrate what could be done, how feasible it was, how it could be done if you just wanted to check all the check. All the boxes, all the bells and whistles kind of set up. Yeah, but I'll be honest with you. Like my reasoning to Raggles's point about like what do I think about I think it answers the one problem that I've always seen out of hard sided cases. There's no debating that they're very good at protecting your gear, there's no debating that they have their place. But my single major issue with them has always been once you cut the foam, you're stuck with it. Yeah, and then that's not inexpensive to replace. It's not terribly expensive compared to the cost of the case, but it's not as. Cheap as you would expect. I'm going to tell you that even when you buy from a third party source like just search on Amazon, that shit gets a lot more. And it kind of depends because, like, if you can put several smaller pieces together to fit your application, that's, oh, it doesn't look great, but it's okay. But if you have to get like one very large chunk of not the super squishy, low density foam, but like the hard stuff that you'd cut with a razor knife, that stuff gets expensive real fast. When you talk about a big sheet of it, and the shipping gets expensive too, because you got to ship this big old chunk like it's not like a it's not like a little thing of foam you can just roll up and stick in a bag. I'm looking right now for what the Pelican replacement foam is, see if I can find it, because they used to sell just the replacement foam cases or just a replacement foam inserts for the case. Let's see here. Yeah, I'm not seeing it listed real quick, I am a check. I'm just checking real real quick so that I can see. I mean, Uline has the replacement foam for the seventeen fifty case at one hundred and thirty one dollars for the foam set. Oh no, the last time I had to replace foam in my in my one of my hidden safes, it was one and a half inch polyethylene foam. It was fifty bucks before shipping. I believe that. It was for a fifty four by sixteen inch piece, and as I recall, I had to actually cut it because it wasn't the right dimensions, but it was the right square footage. So like I was able to get this one. Chunk and the like cut a chunk off the end and then you know, like glue in there make it work. Yeah, but now innulge in every single time you want to change the every time you want to change the setup of like a particular you know case, you gotta freaking whack fifty bucks out to freaking go and refoam it. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's not terribly inexpensive now. Or you can just do what I do and live with the compression foam, and the compression foam has hard cases. For a long time. The compression foam has has a place. My concern is like it doesn't give you anywhere near the same level of protection. Is like that hard that non compressing polyethylene foam boy? Sure? Or in this case, you know, you've. Got the grid which is there to like stabilize the firearm, and then you have compressible foam on the top that is largely uncompressed, so it's there to provide some shock value or. Some shock resistance to the firem. Yeah, there's there's a lot of ways to do it. I mean, you know, I I never had a range bag until extremely recently. I've always just tossed all my shit in a backpack or Duffel bag and gone to the range. But I recently bought I don't remember exactly what model it is, but Savior makes. It comes with three of these like little pistol bags. It's got all the different pockets for your range kit. It's really nice for a pistol range bag, but it really only works well for I'm gonna say, two pistols plus AMMO plus cleaning kit plus hearing protection for two people. I will agree with that. And that's that's why, like over the years I've had I have, I've gone through this this iteration of like soft side range bag, and then I got literally like what I ended up calling my go to range bag. But it's only really big enough for like some AMMO and a pistol and some ear pro. And then I got a larger hard sided case which is compressible foam, but it's got multiple trays in it so you can fit like, you know, three four fire or three four handguns in it. And that's what i'd take of I was bringing a bunch of handguns. And then if I was bringing like a couple of rifles, I had my big twin rifle case. I've gotten to the point where I have over the years, continued to add to my collection of crap to carry guns around, just because not all these things fit all. Uses, sure, but they all fit a use. So agreed, Okay, was there anything else to toss in here? Transport transporting firearms? We didn't really talk about transporting AMMO, but we kind of did earlier when we talked about, like, have reasonably sized AMMO cans. Please, for the love of Christ, don't bring a forty milimeter grenade can full of AMO to the range. Your friends will hate you. You know, what's the thing that I've started to see on people's gun cases now that I really like, all right, for one, on these pistol cases, they've got these little right on velcrow things that you can rip off for your different guns. I've noticed a lot of people either putting a sticker on one end of their hard cases or an arrow on one end of their hard cases. Muzzle direction. Fucking love that. Because then when you go up to the line, put arrows that way, flipping around, open up your case. Firearms always pointed in a safe direction. Yeah, I screw that all up because I have because in order to make two rifles fit in my rifle case. They have to be Chris Crown, I get it. It's a limitation of the storage media. But if you have the option like these little removable inserts a single rifle case, put some sort of designator on that that to you says muzzle is pointed that way. Oh, two other things we can insert here in transportation. Go for it. I wouldn't say so much of a if you're like flying with your gun, or if you're keeping in your vehicle, but specifically if you're going to the range. First of all, anytime you were transporting a firearm and it is not literally on your hip or in your hands ready for use, it. Should be unloaded. Yes, can I get a Hall of the amen? Range officers get really pissy when you show up to the when you show up to their place of business with a loaded. Firearm, I cannot tell you. So. I worked a couple of years at my range. We did a dear rifle site. In day. We had a barrel that was the clearing barrel is buried in the side of the hill and before they could they had uncase their firearm, put put the barrel in there, clear the gun and then pull the trigger to ensure that the rifle was cleared before they went walking up to the line with that rifle. How many bangs every day? We did it two. Weekends, two saturdays, and I worked that twice. No less than three people had a round clack off after. They cleared the gun. So, in other words, they had some of the magazine and when they when they ran the handlebackwards of Fords, they loaded one. Yep, they ran, they ran the bolt, and ran the bolt and ran the bolt. Well, it was a three round magazine. And they would show up with these high powered rifles loaded. They'd been driving around with them. Now is the gun gunna off onse own? No, These were people that claimed to be experienced hunters. I mean he experienced firearms owners. I mean the gun was cleared. If it's a Reminton seven hundred, maybe. Look, yes, can a gun malfunction, canic go offines it? Potentially? Potentially if it's a sick if it's if it's a shitty made Remington seven hundred. If Bubba went in there was some files and. Didn't know what he was doing, could far too many times? Did we get a bang when we should have got a click? Mm hm? I mean I'd argue with any of that. It's there's a reason why we had the clearing barrel. The other thing I'm going to offer, and I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this kind of tongue in cheek because my my gun range recently mandated this and I thought it was the most like. It personally offends me because it just annoys me. But given some of the horrendous gun handling I've seen at this range, I'm not fighting them about it too much. Chamber flags, I'm gonna tell you that for a public. Range, chamber flags are not a bad idea. Or when you're teaching a brand new shooter, the level the level of the level of like peace you can feel when you open that gun up and you put that chamber flag in there, so that you know at a glance that gun is definitely one Herberson not loaded before you go to the other side of a firing line and leave the newbie back there with the freaking gun, so that you know it was definitely not loaded. There was definitely not around in the magazine. There definitely cannot be around in the chamber because it's got to go through the chamber flag to get into the chamber, just consider it. Yeah, I've always made the rule of newbie comes with I've all tell you to prove to me that you can be safe at the range. You come with me down range. I would enforce that, except when it was like my eight year old daughter. That's fair, although frankly, my eight year old daughter has had better gun handling sense and like most run across. Most of the newbies I'm teaching were people that were my age, a little bit younger, a little bit older, you know, within a couple of years me. There were some stupid things that I saw, but I always made sure newbie, you're gonna be downrange too, because I don't trust you to not fuck around with stuff until I've shot with you. A few times. Yeah, and Bragle Franko was saying, we eatter string if you can get like white zip ties like the big ones, those work really well on a pinch. They do, especially if you're putting your pistol in like say, like my MMP came in a hard side case from Springfield, uh, full sized chamber of flags. You can't put the gun back in the case. The action is open too far for it to fit in Their phone cut out, So I actually do like the zip ties for that. Yeah, Or you're in a situation like I'm in with my bolt action, where like in order to make that chamber flag fit in there and not have the bolt handle at this weird frigging angle where it's getting Prescot's side of the bag, I just pulled the bolt handle completely out of the gun, pull the bolt out, and just stick it go off with the bolt out. Well, but I still have to have the chamber flag to appease the range officer. But I just pull the bolt out completely so that it's not just hanging there wide open. It's not as big of an issue with my ar because I can just ride the bolt ford to let rest on the chamber flag. But you're right for some of those, Or how about this for a for a lever action, Yeah, reclutely do not want that lever action just halfway open, halfway closed, just sitting there. That's that's just an imitation for something really bad to happen. Yeah. They can be quite prone to random shit getting in the action at that point. Yeah. So I mean as much as I as much as I totally believe that like this whole this this fetishistic nonsense about most have chamber flags is a little bit stupid when what really should be doing. Is demanding smarter shooters. I'll give ground on it. One thing. I will say that that A three hundred eats chamber flags. The the bolt return is aggressive. If you do not ride it forward, it will just sheer chamber flags off. I will have lost the. That Bretta is enthusiastic about sending that bolt home if you. Will go into the chamber. Oh yeah, yeah, that that A three hundred does not ask politely if the if the if the show would like to go into the chamber, it says, It basically pulls the happy gilmore like get on the ground. And be like, that's your home? Are you going to your home? I've actually been curious. I have a bunch of old paper cartridges for twelve gage. I want to see if they feed. Reliably in the three hundred, given its aggressive feeding. I mean, dude, I'll be honest with you, I'd be on board to see that too, but like I'd be shocked if it didn't because so far that a three hundred, I mean, dude, it eats like. A fat kid, and all you can eat buffet slugs, half ounce target loads doesn't seem to care. Nope. I've run everything from one ounce slugs all the way down to literal bird shot and it just it does not care. It's like it just goes Nope. It literally just goes more and more and more. Yeah, okay, including chamber flags, including chamber flags. All right, we have. One more episode before the matter, before the camping trip. And we will probably skipping that week. You will get that when we get back the week of the camping trip. Yes, definitely gonna skip it. I've already had somebody ask about when what day we're going to record, because it is traditional that we record an episode. I was thinking probably Wednesday, like as we used to do the last night. But yeah, depending on if anybody some of us are. Leaving Thursday, some of us are leaving Friday. Yeah, see I'm leaving Thursday morning and start heading home. But if anybody's leaving Wednesday, we might bump it up to Tuesday. That's why I was saying, like, we never set a hard day for what day we're going to record, but it is very traditional. They were record one very unhinged, moderately and debriated episode. Around that. I will at least two old fashions. Yeah, last year we were drinking, we were eating sour homemade sour dough and drinking with drinking moonshine. Yes, it was quite quite an experience. And the night before that was. Taco night at the Wilson's cabin. God, we ate, so we ate way too much that night tacos. I mean those were not big cabins, and there was like fourteen fricking people eating tacos and shitting there. It was unhinged. It was a lot. And it wasn't even just tacos. It was like freaking tacos, burritos and julaas. It was like a tex Mex restaurant just vomited into the kitchen. It was awesome. Some quality cheffing. And that's sourdough bread, My god, that's sour. Yeah, that was good, especially the jalapeno cheddar. Big win, big win. Yeah. A couple of last minute comments here, pump Gumble Stewart saying pump Gum will eat even when an a three hundred won't. I haven't seen anything that eight three hundred won't eat, though, And that's the thing. That's why I'm wondering about the paper shells, the old wax paper shells. I think I'm gonna try it. I mean, maybe not tomorrow when I got out to the range, but maybe that time after that, I'll I'll try and throw a hundred rounds of paper shells through my eight three hundred. I mean, the thing of it is is that it's kind of like fighting an old man at that point, Like if it doesn't run, it's like, Okay, it was old wax cover paper shells. Who cares. But if it does run, then it's like the eight three hundred will literally digest anything. Let's try fifty cow next. Yeah, I mean flareeshells. That's a good point. I don't have any flareeshells I have. I have some uh rubber, I have some rubber rubber ball rounds, but I really don't want to shoot the pristy there. And they were not cheap, you know, they were not cheap. I I would have to question how much I didn't want to shoot somebody with live AMMO before I pop one of those. My problem and and I think you and I have discussed this before. We have. If I'm shooting you, it's no longer a less lethal option. You crossed that line a long time ago, and I've made my piece with shooting you. The one exception to that that I've always I've always cooked this off, and I've always gotten everybody in the room to agree, like this is that narrow edge case. What if it was a dearly beloved family member who was having a psychiatric episode, not violent through no fault, Like they're they're unhinged, they're violent, but they're not. They're not being maliciously violent. They're having a psychiatric episode. Whireus aren't talk about drug digs or anything crazy. This is a person who, like you need to stop them, but you would really rather not have to plan a funeral. I am an ex I am a rather stronger than average six foot tall, over two hundred pound mail. There's a lot of other options I have other than being backgrounds or rubber buckshot, But that is one narrow edge case example of when you might need to stop somebody from doing something you don't want them to do, but you really don't want to cook them. I get the argument, and I understand that it would have its place, But given the size I am, the experience I have had handling people that didn't want to be handled. I would bet on that before I would bet on rubber shotgun rounds. It's a fair point. It's preference. I just like to play Devil's advocate. Yeah, I just I don't. I don't know that I would want to, having seen people in police encounter videos off those rubber rounds. And I've also seen it the other way where like those damn things hurt. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure they do, not just painful hurt, but like potentially like hospital crippling, hospital visit hurt. Sure. And I've also been pepper sprayed and taste because when drunk frat guys find out a girl has a taser in her purse, everybody's getting taste. Yeah, it wasn't as big of a deal as it seems to be. Stuart's saying, disagree, better options. I'll also say that I have a box of breaching rounds for absolutely no rational reason. Then too, Sometimes when you get a chance to buy the stuff, you just you just put it away for a rainy day. Guy that comments makes excellent point. Rubber rounds work great in teams. Yeah, they work really hard, not operate else team, They work really great when there's someone else next to you that doesn't have rubber bullets in their gun just cause yours don't work. Tasers and pepper spray also work very well in team settings. I'm not operating in a team setting. Sorry, guys. Yep, all right, let's go ahead and roll this one out the door. We will see you next Thursday for the last episode before summer camp. I have no earthly idea we'll talk about. I mean, I can always figure it out by Tuesday. I can always look through the through the list. I will maybe have a shitload of random dope data for various twenty two loads going back to the seventies. We'll have to see how bored my wife gets at the range. If I get through it all, I'm sure we get tism of that about that from forty five minutes to an hour, we might be able to all right, well, heading out the door. Matter of Facts podcast is going for another week, and everybody see you on Thursday, and. Either stay out of trouble. Or be really good to explain your way out of it and talk to you later. Boy tonight. The DNA, the hid bat