Preppers LIVE: Jason Hanson former CIA The Deep State is Middle Management

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[00:03:50] 50 minutes with Jason Hansen, former CIA talking about all kinds of great stuff. If you're a member, you've already heard this interview. You may want to listen to it again. I don't know. It's your call. But I thought I'd do a brief sort of live intro with you guys.

[00:04:07] And then we'll run the show. So it's preppers briefly live. I recorded the show about a week ago, handed it over to the members to listen to.

[00:04:18] Jason Hansen thrilled to come back on. He will be on again, probably in a prepper's live in the live form and fashion. But this is a great interview man. This is a really interesting take.

[00:04:30] It's what's interesting about this guy who is definitely a prepper and got, I'm sure became one through what he experienced in his career. But it's interesting to get a take on preparedness and things like that from a guy like this.

[00:04:49] It almost gives you a little bit of, I don't know, a little pat on the back. We're doing the right things. Even though we know we're doing the right things. So great show tonight PBN family. I hope you enjoy it.

[00:05:06] I don't have a link in the show description off to put it in there. But just a quick heads up, if you didn't hear the show, we got the survivors guide to Wild medicinal herbs out today. My new book, my latest book over at Amazon.com.

[00:05:22] Survival's Guide to medicinal wild herbs. Just search that James Walton. It'll come right up if you're interested. It is in paperback. I would not recommend the Kindle version. It is in paperback and it should be in hardback in another couple weeks.

[00:05:38] So put it up on the shelf. You need at least one. If you're out there listening, you can get the Judson Carroll books. They're phenomenal. You can get my book now. You need at the very least one book with recipes, dosage and pictures. Color. Color pictures.

[00:06:02] The last thing you want to do, it's one thing to give medicinal plants to people who are a little off. Right? I just don't feel right. Well take some agonization. Get yourself back. Here's a little agonization.

[00:06:17] That's one thing. Right? And maybe grab a few leaves or something else and they get a little gastro or whatever the situation is. But it's a completely different situation to incorrectly identify a plant, make a tincture, a decoction out of it or even a tea

[00:06:37] and give it to someone who's very ill and find out who made them even worse. Identification gets a lot easier with experience. There's no doubt about it.

[00:06:53] But if I'm standing there and I'm looking at drawing a blank, if I'm standing there and I'm looking at Queen Anne's lace because Queen Anne's lace tends to grow near Hemlock. If you're looking at those two, you can get confused. They can be dangerous.

[00:07:22] Poisoned hemlock is not just going to make someone in your life sick. It's going to kill them. So if you're going to go down the path of foraging, if you're going to go down the path of medicinal wild herbs and plants and trees

[00:07:34] you need pictures, color pictures. So get yourself some books with some great color pictures. What else? Come join us over at Rumble. Please come join us over at Rumble. We're doing awesome stuff over there. We had a great one today and it's going swimmingly.

[00:07:56] I don't want to talk about Trump. I don't care about all that stuff. Maybe, I don't know. I can't tell you that because it's not fair. It'll be a very interesting, it'll be a hot time in the old town tonight. I guess. I'll go with that.

[00:08:17] I don't feel compelled by any of this stuff. I really don't. I don't feel compelled by any of this kind of stuff lately. I really don't. None of it. I'm compelled by what's happening here at PBN. That's what's got me.

[00:08:39] These incredible shows, there's connections being made behind the scenes. I've been talking to someone. I can't really announce it yet, but a great conversation today. You ever make a connection? My network is just obsessed with the network right now.

[00:09:01] You know you hear those people and you want to slap them and like, you need to build your network. You need some cards. Get yourself some business cards and give them out and you need to build your network.

[00:09:10] You hear those people and when you don't have a network, you're like, what's this idiot talking about? I don't like anybody. But the reality is there are diamonds in the rough. And over 10 years period, man, I have really sussed out a lot of diamonds.

[00:09:27] And now I'm starting to put them together with other gems in my life and it's...things are happening. Things are happening all the time. And it's a beautiful thing. I mean it really is a beautiful thing.

[00:09:42] So, I find myself...you know, I'm on the precipice of yet another great announcement for the network. Another incredible situation. A huge benefit for you guys, the listeners and the members. I mean it's...stay tuned. Okay? It could be as soon as tomorrow.

[00:10:02] But it's one of those situations where sometimes a puzzle piece just fits right in perfect. Speaking of puzzle pieces fitting in, once we finish up with this interview, I'm going to be interviewing the SoCal Prepper.

[00:10:16] Okay? The SoCal Prepper is a...we'll call her a contributor to the Prepper Broadcasting Network. Okay? I think you're going to dig her a lot. She has a very, very unique take on prepping and a very, very unique take on life.

[00:10:33] As you can imagine, right? Coming out of Southern California. Being a conservative, being a prepper. Yeah. It's going to be fun. Stay tuned for that. That'll probably hit the airwaves. That'll probably hit the airwaves tomorrow morning-ish. Okay? Maybe tomorrow afternoon. What is tomorrow? Tuesday, right?

[00:10:57] Yeah. So, stay tuned for that. That's a new layer. Okay? We've got more crazy stuff going on. This week is absolutely balls to the wall. It really is. We've got Sean Roland on. The CEO from Jace Medical will be on Wednesday on the I Am Liberty show.

[00:11:17] He's coming on to give us the breakdown on their one-year prescription offering now. Jace Medical is not just offering their Jace case of antibiotics, which is...listen. Well, I'll tell you a quick story. We can burn some time.

[00:11:34] My wife got a little bit of a tooth thing going on, right? Went to the dentist. Got it taken care of. Came home. A few week...something like a week. A little under a week went by. Still pain. Right? Still pain. Still a problem.

[00:11:50] And we said, you know, it looks like it could be an infection. She's going to go see the dentist, of course, again. But it's, you know...you start to think about these things. You start to think. In this kind of a situation, what would you do?

[00:12:04] Now, you can turn to plant medicine for some kinds of antibiotic properties in plants. They call their anemoxicillin. And you know, what happens in my life now because I have Jace case, right?

[00:12:19] What happens in my life now is I look to see when my kids or when my wife or even when I get called in an antibiotic. I look and go, could I have handled that? Moxicillin is in the Jace case.

[00:12:33] So it lets you know, hey, if I have a situation where we got tooth problem infection, something along those lines, we can handle it with the Jace case. Doesn't matter what's going on in the world.

[00:12:45] Doesn't matter if there's war with China. Doesn't matter if they said they're not going to make any more medicines for us. Doesn't matter. We got what we need, okay? Jace case for every member of your house. I'm not there yet.

[00:13:01] But when I get to that point, that's where I want to be. I want to have a Jace case for every member of the house. Five antibiotics, right? Doxicicillin just in case. Just in Jace case.

[00:13:14] But Sean will be on, listen if you like the sounds of the Jace case go to jacemethical.com. Use the promo code PBN. You'll get 10 bucks off your Jace case, okay? It is one of the highest order preps that I have.

[00:13:30] There's some real difference makers that I sleep at night over. The Jace case is one of them because I've studied it. I've looked at the antibiotics. I've looked at what it treats and I understand that, you know, should Marburg or whatever,

[00:13:44] should some other crazy Bill Gates pandemic show up. And we can't get into a hospital. We can't do this. We can't do that. Somebody in my family gets sick. It's an infection, whatever it is. We've got answers, you know? So check them out, jacemethical.com.

[00:14:01] And Sean will be on, Sean Roland will be on to talk about his new initiative, right? One year's worth of prescription medication. Can you believe that? One year's worth, you know, if you're one of those people, you're on statin zero, whatever it is, one year's worth, okay?

[00:14:19] You take the deepest sigh of your life. So it's a big deal. So he'll be on. You're going to meet Sean Patrick Tarrio from Mark 37. Mark 37, man. That's going to be a great interview. He's a very interesting guy.

[00:14:37] He is a guy who is fully on board with get off of the technology. Stop with the iPhone, stop with the Android, stop with the Google. And he's built a business around that. And his take on all of it is very interesting.

[00:14:53] I think you're going to like Sean. I had a long conversation with him. He's a great guy. That'll be sort of like a Jason Hansen interview. We'll get that up at some point. Members, you'll get your first shot at that.

[00:15:05] And yeah, I mean, that's all that's what's going on at PBN and I don't even know what the other hosts are doing. That's just what's going on on my end. We've got, you know, double barrel Tuesday. We got Judson on Thursdays.

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[00:18:15] I guess, you know, the question that would probably get my audience's goat right off the bat is kind of, you know, what's a guy like Jason Hansen thinking about these days, worried about paying attention to what kind of indicators are you watching because, you know, you kind of have an ear to the ground in a way that we don't.

[00:18:38] Did I lose you there? Yeah. No, no, no, I'm here. Yeah, that's a great question.

[00:18:45] I mean, obviously there's many things that I'm concerned about. That's on my mind these days. I'd say one is overall self-defense, meaning the crime wave, all the people out there who are getting slaps on the wrist and, you know, no prosecutors are actually making a pay for what they've done.

[00:19:00] So I spent a tremendous amount of time teaching self-defense, but I also practiced it myself and knew that. So that's certainly on the top of my mind. And then, you know, a totally different thing in the spectrum is the whole grid scenario.

[00:19:15] Without going into details, I can tell you about intelligence operations that literally kept a major part of United States grid from going down and it would have been a major catastrophe.

[00:19:25] So I'm all about making sure that I've got my generators, my solar, my gasoline, my propane generator and that I've got plenty of solar panels.

[00:19:35] I've got plenty of food storage and all that. So, you know, obviously none of us knows when a major disruption is going to occur, but I've got two years for the food storage and I've got six kids, which means that's a heck of a lot of food storage.

[00:19:48] But hey, you know, I'm prepared. I have peace of mind. So those are two of the biggest things on my mind at the moment.

[00:19:57] So from this standpoint of the, we talk a lot about off grid and lately one of the things I've been saying to my listening audience since we're approaching what seems like an almost unavoidable war situation with some superpower or the other or both that war equals off grid.

[00:20:14] And I've been saying that for a while now just to get the audience's head space kind of where your head space is, which is, you know, we've got to be prepared for waking up and maybe the lights don't come on and maybe they don't come on for a long time or ever again.

[00:20:29] What are your thoughts on the satellite phones going to congressmen and women? Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head meaning you've got to prepare for long term and you know, I've got satellite phones myself but you know any kind of technology.

[00:20:49] I'm not going to bet my life on meaning, you know, any kind of gear, you know, take not technological gear. So satellite phones, whatever it may be is certainly fine.

[00:20:58] But I think most people are under the false assumption that if we have some kind of grid down scenario, it's going to be like, okay, you know, in two weeks all is going to be well in two weeks.

[00:21:07] I'm going to be back to normal. So what I tell people is you need a plan for six months at least. And one of the things I cover is obviously financial preparedness. You should have gold. You should have silver. You should have emergency cash.

[00:21:19] But if it looks like it's going to be a long term down scenario, which I believe it will, you better get rid of all that gold, all that silver, all that cash within the first two weeks.

[00:21:28] Because everybody else is going to say, heck yeah, I'll give you this for a gold coin or heck yeah, I'll barter this for silver because in their mind in two weeks, this is going to be done with where six months from now, nobody's going to give, you know, two crafts about your $10,000 in cash or your American eagle gold coins.

[00:21:45] So get rid of all your money early on on barter for all supplies you can get because people will think they're taking you to the cleaners, but six months from now, you're going to be the one who's laughing at the bank.

[00:21:58] So always long term that's something that has been ingrained in me over and over. I'm very good at as I always look for the long term play. And most people do that.

[00:22:06] I like that mentality. That's an interesting one. Get the cash out early, clean the coffers out early. Yeah, I could see that. But what I was getting at is, does that indicate to you by, I don't know who made the decision to hand out those satellite phones, but does that indicate to you that the government understands something that maybe most Americans do not about the threat level that we feel?

[00:22:36] I don't know if you're going to face right now or, you know, the other side of the coin is that just, you know, the dangers of January 6th we have to protect our representatives. Is it a play for that? Or maybe a little bit of both?

[00:22:50] Yeah, it's a little bit of both. So yes, you know, most Americans don't realize the major threats we face. Most Americans, you know, obviously I'm X CIA.

[00:23:01] Most people don't see the operations and they don't hear about all the success stories because, you know, most agency guys are operating in the shadows. They do amazing work. They're wonderful men and women.

[00:23:13] And so you don't hear about all the threats they stop. So we do have a tremendous amount of threats against us these days on the flip side of that is, you know, these congressmen and women, there's somebody who's got an extra budget.

[00:23:26] There's some gear guy who says, Hey, you know, we got an extra whatever and they're they're freaking out and saying, Yes, get a sat phone. Get us this, get us that. So it doesn't mean necessarily that, Hey, stuff is coming down the pipeline tomorrow.

[00:23:39] But any American who is not prepared, who doesn't think it's going to come eventually? And of course, as I would say, the million dollar question is, is it next week? Is it next month? Is it 10 years down the line? But it is inevitable.

[00:23:49] All right, this is, this is important. And it's, I don't know, I probably the most interested I am the most interested question I have for you is being former CIA, watching CIA show up in the news, not as much CIA more FBI more IRS showing up in the news the way they're showing up in the news.

[00:24:18] Lots of people are developing sort of a general distaste for the intelligence agency in the United States. It feels to me like and many people that I know that they've been sort of let off some kind of leash. And it's out of hand, like it's out of control, the things that are happening.

[00:24:40] Yeah, first of all, do you agree with that or not? I don't want to attack your former situation.

[00:24:45] No, I mean, clearly, I'm biased towards the CIA. The agency is overseas. They do amazing stuff. They're not operating inside the United States. I mean, they don't have the authority to so it's the FBI, it's the ATF, it's the IRS. It's the DA. It's all those organizations that are in the US.

[00:25:02] But yeah, they I will say if you and I did as civilians anything they did we'd be in jail yesterday. But they get a slap on the wrist. I mean, they I can't remember there was some statistic of how many illegal warrants or wiretaps or whatever it was that the FBI had last year.

[00:25:20] And it's pretty much just like oops, you know, sorry for violating your rights. Oops, we made a stay kind of thing. And there's no real there's no real consequences for him because of course so the government they can get away with murder literally.

[00:25:33] So I would be concerned if I was the average citizen and I do agree with you.

[00:25:39] Okay. So I'm looking at my son the other day, Jason, I have two boys, 11 and seven. And I've been thinking a lot about this FBI issue, ATF issue IRS issue in the nation. And I started thinking to myself, you know that probably he is the answer to that and what I mean by that is not, you know, my son's going to show up and change everything.

[00:26:03] But I mean the the pushing a generation of freedom loving Americans in the direction of leadership in those agencies is probably the best effect that we could have to sort of root out the problems that we have.

[00:26:19] I know that's probably a long term plan and they could do a lot of damage between then and now. You're a little more intimately involved in, in not those organizations in particular but you know this whole sort of governmental scope and what would you do if you were tasked with like hey let's let's get back to operating procedure the way that it should be let's stop, you know, really a costing Americans who have done

[00:26:49] the next and nothing wrong or nothing at all wrong and becoming this sort of terror force in the nation that people are really worried about how do we get back to how would you get these intelligence agencies and these these other organizations that are you know massive government bureaucracies like the ATF under control.

[00:27:08] Wow that's a great question. First you need to fire about a third of them because about a third of every government employee is worthless and you know that excluding the military and I will say, you know excluding the CIA because you got to have them overseas protecting us you got to have the military.

[00:27:25] But other than those two organizations, you just get rid of a third people they're dead beats there. They're not doing anything.

[00:27:31] You've got to put people in there who support and defend the Constitution. And obviously that's easier said than done when I, you know, one of the big things I'm often asked about is the deep state and most people do not understand the deep state correctly.

[00:27:45] And I think the deep state is, you know, Biden and it's always appointing whatever but the deep state is actually the mid level managers in these organizations in the FBI. These are these guys. Yeah, it's middle management because these guys aren't appointed.

[00:28:02] They're not, you know here for four years and then when Biden loses or whoever loses they're gone. It's these guys who are entrenched these guys who you know it's nearly impossible to fire somebody in the government.

[00:28:13] So these guys get in there they do their 30 years they're the ones that cause the most problems. These people strategically placed there by Obama. Is that my conservative knee jerk reaction or is that is the truth to that?

[00:28:28] Yes and no. A lot of these people just have liberal leanings to be honest. I mean they're not yeah they're not going in there to you know again they're not political employees they're people who say, you know what I'm you know I see what's wrong in this country

[00:28:43] and we need to have socialism or we need to have we need to overthrow the Second Amendment. I mean they're just you know they they slip through the cracks and they're entrenched they're sitting there for 30 years they know they're untouchable kind of thing.

[00:28:57] I mean I'll tell you a story from my intelligence my intelligence days without going into much detail. There was this woman I worked with she was a black woman and she was at deadbeat and all the other black women hated her because they would say hey we work our tails off we do really good work which they did and she says the problem is is there's a stereotype and she makes it she makes it that much harder for us as black women are actually doing great stuff

[00:29:23] and she's making it harder because she's a deadbeat black woman woman and so one time I was talking to this deadbeat black woman and she said to me and I kid you not she said Jason I'm black and I'm a woman I'm untouchable.

[00:29:35] And yeah she said that to me and she was right I mean she's not going anywhere but and she was causing all kinds of problems but she knew she was untouchable and she was more mid-level manager and obviously it doesn't matter a race or gender whoever the mid-level manager is but it's these people who are not supporting and defending the Constitution.

[00:29:55] They're the ones in the deep state they're the ones that cause the biggest problems because they're gonna be there for 20 to 30 years. Yeah I mean it makes perfect sense you get somebody you know it's an absolute power corrupts absolutely sort of scenario right.

[00:30:08] They know they're not going anywhere they can make change they can do what they want and I'm sure it gets you know goes to their head. Wow so the mid-level management is the deep state what a quote. The mid-level manager is not sexy. It's not like some.

[00:30:26] No no it's cool. World superpower who's you know the eye in the sky. It's yeah it's the it's the 20 and I was 23 when I joined the agency I got in young.

[00:30:38] I was very fortunate but we know a lot of the young kids these days are so brainwashed with whatever idiotic thing. Oh yeah you fresh out of university and you're bringing your your professors ideals into these into these organizations and yeah.

[00:30:53] Yeah right yeah so you join you join the FBI ATF whatever at 21 22 23 years old and you bring this horrible ideology in there and it yeah it screws it up for the next 30 years. That is wild. That is wild thank God I asked that question.

[00:31:12] So one third gets one third gets the the chop in order to solve this problem. And that helps root out some of these people who like like your friend that you had over in your area. Who wasn't doing a damn thing.

[00:31:29] And what else what else do we do is there is there you know is it a Congress level thing I really like the Reigns Act.

[00:31:38] I really like this idea that these you know we have to be able to vote on whether or not the ATF can just say oh people are felons now because they have an arm brace which I think took effect today right or yesterday.

[00:31:49] You know a federal judge thankfully stalled it until you know put in junction until they get more info so it was supposed to go into effect yesterday but a Texas federal judge stopped it for further review or whatever you know legally is they're doing so it has not gone

[00:32:05] in effect yet. What do you think about that like what foot this is what bothers me lately about more so than ever about politics in America is we have people stuck in this perpetual fear.

[00:32:23] Like it's a perpetual anxiety you know because nobody feels safe because the Texas judge said all right we're going to push that off.

[00:32:30] Right it's good don't get me wrong but it's just another thing for the average American gun owner to worry about now they got to say OK well I remember that it was this date.

[00:32:39] And this date I might have to make a change but now I have to worry about it for another six months on top of you know everything else that's happening in the world and in the nation at large.

[00:32:49] And it's just it seems like government more now more than ever is playing into this and I don't think it's purpose for conspiratorial I just think it's bad.

[00:32:59] Running of a government where people are put in these perpetual anxiety situations like life is just a perpetual pit of anxiety while we wait to see what our government's going to do next.

[00:33:14] Let me tell you just a true story based on a real operation and it's going to tie into this question you just asked sure so many years ago my friend I can't even country he was doing an operation is socialist country right.

[00:33:27] And he recruited somebody very very high up in the socialist government and obviously you do deals with the devil all the time to get the enemy of my enemy type of thing.

[00:33:37] And so my friend in this very high level socialist guy of this government you know they became close enough for my buddy said to him and he said listen how can you honestly believe in socialism it doesn't work everybody knows that type of thing.

[00:33:51] And this very high level guy in the government said he said of course everybody knows socialism doesn't work and that it's terrible unless you're at the top and I'm at the top and it's great for me.

[00:34:02] And hey I guess at least the guy was honest right I mean if you're Vladimir Putin if you're Fidel Castro it's you know it's pretty good to be the king of the castle right where people start.

[00:34:13] So the point of that story is our government doesn't care about us our government is so detached they are so hungry for power.

[00:34:23] We already talked about how power corrupts. So it goes back to the Congress people congressmen senators you know Diane Feinstein who says no you know you can't have a gun I'm going to ban the second amendment but yes I'm allowed to own a gun.

[00:34:36] You know I'm allowed to have bodyguards with guns so yeah it's you know she don't even know where she's at anymore than us right yeah yeah she's yeah back in the day she did but not these days.

[00:34:46] But that's how it is if you're a congressman or senator you know especially these these Democratic socialists they don't get it what do they care they're making $175,000 a year working very little off our taxpayer dollars and obviously you know they're saying I get that I'm allowed to have that but no I'm not going to go pass it around you guys spread the wealth not me I'm keeping my

[00:35:05] $175,000 for not doing much at all. So it really has just come down to they don't give a crap about us they don't care about the American public they're they're so hopped up on power they're going to do what's right for them.

[00:35:16] Yeah that's in the brownie points right the whatever the issue is of the day we're going to push that issue and the people be damned whatever they have to go through they have to go through.

[00:35:29] You know that mid level management thing has really got me right now Jason because it makes so much sense it's unbelievable. Because I mean I've seen it yeah yeah you know.

[00:35:40] I have seen it firsthand in many many places and I always try and explain that to people like I promise you you do not know what the deep state is you think you do but I've been there I've seen it I actually know what what has caused you to downfall of America the real deep state.

[00:35:58] Wow. Yeah I mean it makes total sense you get those impressionable youths out there fresh out of college. It means almost impossible to get out of college unscathed. Yeah that's something that is something thank you for thank you for your commentary on that that's big. Absolutely.

[00:36:18] So I mean you I guess your career in the CIA had to have spawned what you do now right. Yeah I mean I loved what I did with the agency wonderful place to work but it's a single man's game and I wasn't married at the time.

[00:36:35] But I had these amazing mentors very blessed to have some incredible mentors who trained me taught me I learned a lot from them a lot of these guys were you know they were 30 years older than me but they had horrible marriages or they were divorced they hated their wife and kids.

[00:36:51] I was like you know what I want to get married some day. I want to have kids some day.

[00:36:56] I was with the agency for seven years and you know I finally just like listen if I if I don't leave after seven years I'm never going to get out of here and you know again I loved what I did so I started my own security company when I left the agency and have been very very blessed to continue to do what I love to do.

[00:37:15] That's great man. You've you've done some serious writing. Since you left.

[00:37:22] I mean we just so you know all the almost every host on the prep broadcast and that where you have 20 hosts now they all except for a handful have written a book or several books but you guys over at spy briefing gear dot com you guys have some books what do you got 3040 books over there.

[00:37:41] Yeah there's a lot. I mean I like to write. What can I say. And you know I my very first book spy secrets that can save your life turned into New York Times bestseller which was awesome.

[00:37:53] And so I've you know I've had deals with Penguin Random House and Harper Collins I self publish a lot of books.

[00:38:00] And what can I say when I get an idea you know often what happens is I'll be talking to one of my CIA buddies and we'll be like hey remember that time and I like hey if I would make for a good book because that stuff that could help people in the average America.

[00:38:12] And does it know so that's how a lot of the books came to fruition. I love this A. R. pistol home defense book for the times that we're living in right now that's interesting that's an interesting read. You talked. Hey it's a great job for close quarters. Sure.

[00:38:28] Yeah you talked a lot about self defense. And I noticed that this isn't the first time I've seen this rat fight concept and I'm guessing I've seen you before and didn't you know we hadn't connected yet.

[00:38:42] Is that something that you created or is that a is that a concept elsewhere. Yeah yeah that is actually from a buddy of mine named Paul Voonack and Paul's claim to fame is that he trained the Navy SEALs back in the day and hand to hand self defense.

[00:38:59] And so Paul and I joined forces and that's his book. I sell that book. I do have some self defense books on my own but his book is fantastic.

[00:39:06] You know it's very simple concept to learn it at works because plenty of our students have well not plenty should I say a handful of our students have used it. So yeah it's a good self defense book that keeps people out of trouble.

[00:39:20] What do people not understand about let's say let's say modern self defense in America today. You know like self defense situations that we see on the news clipped all the time anymore. Well what I trained people always tell them listen it's going to be fast.

[00:39:42] And you know I can have a lot of time it's not like the guys gonna be in the Walmart parking lot and scream to you hey in 10 seconds I'm going to come and try and rob you or stick a knife in your back.

[00:39:51] And it's going to be close quarters most likely so you're not going to have a lot of room to maneuver. And you know I train a lot of people and some people come to me very high net worth guys in this.

[00:39:59] You got two days you've got two days to give me everything I'm going to need which I can do obviously have to go after practice.

[00:40:06] But I say listen focus on the head if some big guy comes up and you're doing body shots probably not going to stop him right because we've all been punched in the stomach not that it feels good but probably not going to bring him down so focus everything on the head and do not do one punch like it's

[00:40:23] some boxing match or whatever you're going to step back and look at the guy and see how he's doing.

[00:40:27] Now I say you don't fire just one round during a home invasion you fire multiple rounds so fire multiple shots in the face over and over and over again and obviously there's a lot more in depth that I tell him but you know it's like I tell people like you

[00:40:43] don't have to remember your 37 super ninja karate moves is there's basically three things you got to know kind of moves and that solves the problem and my students who have had to use it have been fortunate to escape the safety.

[00:40:58] Understood yeah I train Muay Thai for a while and I think that's you know one of the best options for what you're talking about in close doing damage doing damage to the head you know with elbows and punches and things like that

[00:41:13] and I love Muay Thai martial arts are great if you want to train them you know if you want to invest a time which again is fantastic but these guys are coming to me like no I'm not spending any time learning any martial art I've got no time for anything I'm running a big company I'm the CEO of XYZ so then I have to give them the bare bones of what will keep them safe.

[00:41:34] And how do you ever get results on that do you ever get them saying like yeah I practice those moves and something happened and they worked.

[00:41:42] Yeah yeah I do yeah I had a lady two men try to kidnap at a gas station in Florida and she was able to escape.

[00:41:50] I've had people overseas that either were attacked or tried to mug and it's funny I often get backhanded compliments and they'll say to me like Jason oh my gosh I didn't believe it but it actually worked.

[00:42:01] I tell them of course it worked that's why I showed it to you so I get a lot of those as I say backhanded compliments and you know I've trained thousands of people over the years if I had to guess maybe 75 out of thousands have had to use this in one way or another but hey it worked for them it kept them safe.

[00:42:21] Yeah well there's a there's peace of mind to self defense too in a big way.

[00:42:26] Yes since I mean you have experienced I'm sure a wide range of I'm going to use this broad term and say bad guys okay you've experienced I'm sure you know high level to sort of street level thug bad guys that you've had to interact with because of your career I'm guessing if I'm wrong just tell me.

[00:42:45] When what do you think is the general sort of conditioning fighting spear like what is the average thug sort of bring to the table do you feel like somebody gets in there gets a few good shots and that person's going to abort.

[00:43:07] Or do you think that the average thug is bringing in some skill set or some sort of you know what does that look like.

[00:43:15] So here's what it looks like they are used to intimidating people they are used to people not fighting back so it's not their first rodeo they've done it before they're hardened and they know that 99% of the time whatever I do that guy's going to obey he's going to comply he's going to get on his knees and beg for his life.

[00:43:36] He's going to do whatever I tell him.

[00:43:39] So that's the good news for you and I they're not expecting you to fight back they're not expecting you to be aggressive and immediately crash into them and start pummeling in the face or pummeling in the throat somewhere on the neck up. And so that's a huge advantage.

[00:43:53] These guys even though they're scumbag criminals they don't want to end up in the hospital they don't want to get hurt they don't want to end up back in prison.

[00:44:00] So if you're fighting back they're going to go find an easier victim they're going to go say OK crap I picked the wrong guy I'm out of here.

[00:44:07] And that's why I always tell people is you've got to fight back you've got to be crazy all of us have an inner psychopath all of us can go absolutely berserk and that's what you need to find when somebody is threatening your life.

[00:44:19] And no doubt and how about deterring from just a I'm sure this is trained CIA and you probably do it in your self defense training too but it's something that I've experienced and used in my life and it's from just a physical representation.

[00:44:37] You know like your your physical look into meaner as a deterrent to bad guys. Yeah I always tell my kids move with a purpose. So look confident. Look like you're going somewhere.

[00:44:52] I mean the worst thing you can do some criminal sizing you up and casing you and what I mean by is casing you with size you up saying hey should I rob that guy or that gal or should I move into somebody else is to look timid put your head down with him as soon as you see him looking at you look like you're shy and all that.

[00:45:08] I mean make eye contact.

[00:45:09] Not that you have to scream and puff out your chest will let him know hey I see you you see me buddy and have your shoulders up in and as I said move with a purpose walk with confidence there was that famous study done in the 70s or 80s by some New York psychology

[00:45:25] or sociology sociology professor where they video tape people for three days on a street and then they went to prison and they show the video and said who would you rob who would you attack.

[00:45:35] Oh yeah it was almost unanimous almost 100% where they all these criminals picked out the same people and it had nothing to do if it was a man or woman had nothing to do with the guy was fat or skinny or short or tall.

[00:45:48] It was who was walking with confidence with a purpose versus who looked like they were just going to fold and be the world's easiest victim.

[00:45:57] Yeah that's something that's something a lot of people in there when they get on the subject of self defense they jump right over that level which I think might be the might even this day and age with crazy mob flash mob attacks and stuff I think that's a huge part of self defense that people don't focus enough time on is what are you doing like you're

[00:46:18] doing with a purpose or a long before contact you know what I mean because most people have their face buried in their phone when they're walking down the street and I can't think of a better target than that.

[00:46:29] 100% agree with you I mean how many years ago I was almost kidnapped somewhere someplace and I had my head off I use a phone so I don't you know I'm not walking around texting I've never sent a text message in my life. Wow. Yeah never.

[00:46:45] They give medals out for that in the CIA they should. So I'm walking down the street and I notice these two guys let's say they're about 50 yards ahead of me.

[00:46:54] They didn't blend in with the environment you know they didn't match culturally and all that and when we got closer they looked at each other they looked at me and they spread apart as if they were going to try and force me to walk between them.

[00:47:06] So it was very obvious they weren't there to be my friend so as soon as I saw that I just turn around took off running these guys took off running after me and when two people are trying to kidnap me I become very very fast.

[00:47:19] And I was able to run them I had a hunker down place so I hunkered down for a while and always well it didn't get me but had I had my head buried in the phone I would have walked right into these two guys and then I would have had to find my way out which is obviously the last resort.

[00:47:34] That's another incredibly important point to Jason I'm so glad you brought that up in this age of concealed carry and people training MMA that MMA training is very accessible Jiu Jitsu is very popular.

[00:47:48] It's so important to hear a guy with your experience say when the two guys were trying to surround me my first step was run away. You know because it's just not something that people think about nowadays you know they think like I'm going to John Wickey.

[00:48:06] That's what I'm going to do and running is just the key you know.

[00:48:11] And I tell people like I'll be I do a lot of training I teach a lot of seminars and I've told that story and I want to tell you another story here in a second but I've told that story.

[00:48:19] I will have some young guy in his early 20s basically like Jason I thought you were a tough guy. I thought you were you know had CIA training you ran like a wimp and I'll look and I'll say it's clear to me you've never been in that position.

[00:48:31] It's clear to me you've never been in a precarious situation in your life because those are those of us who have no it's always better to escape.

[00:48:40] And the story I was going to tell us what am I good friends very well trained to I would never want to mess with him.

[00:48:45] He was somewhere overseas running an op and he was in a very shady place trying to recruit some shady characters which is what you got to do. But he was leaving his meeting and three guys started following him and he said he was in a really bad place.

[00:48:59] These three guys started speeding up getting closer to closer to him and there happened to be a river to his left and it was dark out. It was very late at night he dove in the river to avoid these guys.

[00:49:09] These guys ran up started screaming at him trying to see where he was in the river and he just kind of hidden that river for a little while till these three guys went. Now he could have certainly fought him.

[00:49:19] He was very well trained but why take the chance that these guys get lucky and you end up dead. There's always that there's always that chance you know no matter who you go to bat with right.

[00:49:31] There's always that chance that something gets through no matter how well trained you are and then what what's the problem.

[00:49:36] I mean one of my my first job out of college was as a police officer before he joined the CIA and it was right over the bridge from Washington D.C. It was a safe area so it wasn't bad like D.C.

[00:49:47] But they told us in the police academy something like it had been 20 years since an officer died and they said what happened is this guy was chasing a suspect.

[00:49:57] The suspect had a gun pulled his gun pointed it behind his head so he's running forward and he points the gun over his shoulder so we can't see what he's doing but as far as we can see he's going to get him.

[00:50:06] He's got a gun shot off of a few rounds and it ended up hitting this police officer in the head and killing him. So it was the world's unluckiest million dollar shot and that's what I tell people what if the criminals have that million dollar shot on you.

[00:50:19] Yeah yeah and you could run from it. You could have been so far away from it that you know would never even been an issue. Yeah it's funny because only people who know what they're talking about say run.

[00:50:33] I've heard run from you now former CIA one of the biggest voices I've ever heard say run in a situation like that was the former Navy SEAL Jocko Willink on his podcast.

[00:50:47] And the first person I ever heard run from was a 20 year military veteran who's a host on the network now guy named Dave Jones.

[00:50:55] And he was talking about people coming to his house in an SHTF scenario and he was the first person in the prepping community that I ever heard say if you have a bunch of people come to my house with ill intent me and my family are going to leave and go a mile, two miles into the woods and wait it out.

[00:51:15] And he was one of the first guys also that represented probably one of the most important aspects for people trying to survive civil unrest which is your family is not a fighting force.

[00:51:29] And the way he presented it which you'll appreciate I'm sure Jason as he said in the Army we have what's called acceptable casualties.

[00:51:37] And he there was a group of people in the in the class he was training he said I want you to look at the members of your group and tell me who is an exceptional casualty in that group.

[00:51:47] And that was like whoa this is making too much sense you know what I mean. Exactly yeah 100% agree.

[00:51:55] Yes so it's always interesting to get your guys take on the self defensive things because there's a lot of voices in that space anymore and the UFC is so popular that I think people watch that with the referee and go like oh I can figure out how to do that in the streets without a referee and you know all that kind of stuff.

[00:52:17] But yeah I had another self defense one for you now I can't remember what it was I got wrapped in the.

[00:52:22] I mean I can I can jump in a lot of these young guys you know you're talking about is I've been punched in the face it hurts like crap your jet was going to be sore for a long time.

[00:52:32] So when these guys are like hey why did you run away you're a wimp I say what when's the last time you were punching the face and I'm not talking about you're wearing boxing gloves.

[00:52:39] I'm not talking about training I'm talking about someone bare knuckle punch you hard in the job when did that happen.

[00:52:43] And they're like oh I'm not well I said guess what that's happened to me and it hurts like crap in your job is going to be sore for weeks and you're going to want to avoid that.

[00:52:53] So that's why you run guys you know among the many reasons and and most people are just you know they're they're living in their parents basement they're trying to talk a big talk and they've never been been there done that so it's obviously easy to make up some nonsense like yeah I'm going to stand and fight the 17 guys and I would never run.

[00:53:11] Got my got my Glock I'm ready. Yeah yeah I got 17 rounds and 17 guys there you go headshot on all of them and walk away with an explosion at my back.

[00:53:24] So I that's what that's what the question was it came to mind when you started talking about mom's basement was the home the home defense sort of aspect there's a lot of a lot of theories on home defense and you know do you go down the steps.

[00:53:40] And deal with the threat you know call the police hold up in a safe room get the what you know I mean what someone breaks into your house what what would not that you can divulge everything from operational security standpoint but what do you think the average person should do in something like a home invasion.

[00:53:58] So the average person if you've got all the bedrooms up top I would go to the choke point which the choke point is just you know the stairwell leading there to downstairs and just sit at the choke point with your gun have your spouse called 911 and make sure anybody

[00:54:13] breaks into your house knows you have a gun if they're stupid enough to start running up the stairs to your family obviously use it. So that is ideal and that's how it used to be my old house but where I now live is I got six kids and some kids are in the basement

[00:54:27] some kids are up top so I can't just sit there at the top of the stairs of the choke point obviously if somebody breaks in the basement they could get to my kids while I'm hanging out of top.

[00:54:34] So so my plan now is that my alarm goes off I've got to grab my gun and I've got to go find them before they find one of my six kids so it's not ideal but I know my house better than anybody else and I can move fast I've obviously train.

[00:54:49] So yeah I'm not you know I've got of course cameras around my house I've got alarm system. I've got alarm signs I've got other security measures. My house is the last place you want to break into but if you do you know I'm going to come find you quickly.

[00:55:05] Imagine breaking into the former CIA guys house just on a whim like. You got it so wrong. You got it really wrong and you're like I think that guy's got some cool stuff let's go check his house out.

[00:55:20] Your own candid camera. Yeah that's another one of those things that I think is important for people to consider what what is their plan and what should it look like and you know don't again that's that's one of those lucky shots scenarios too right where you could head down there untrained and wind up getting killed.

[00:55:39] In your living room by a bullet that just was shot off out of fear someone trying to get out of your house without getting shot themselves.

[00:55:47] Yeah I mean if you don't have kids and you're just two people lock yourself in the master bedroom hide in the bathroom with a gun I mean obviously you got to have some type of weapon in case they kick it but there's no need to go out there.

[00:55:58] I mean why like you said why take the chance of that crackhead criminal who's probably broken into multiple homes having a knife or a gun but if you've got kids spread around and you're forced to go out like I am you better practice clearing your home doing with a safe and empty weapon first obviously so you know.

[00:56:15] But yeah practice moving through there and practice making sure how you can hand you know hold your gun meaning at a 45 degree angle because you don't want to pop off around when your kid turns the corner and scares you type of thing so make sure all these things another thing I tell people to do.

[00:56:28] Is I've been in situations where I've had to draw my gun thankfully I've never ever had to use it but until you've been in those situations you have no idea what tunnel vision means and you will get tunnel vision.

[00:56:39] So I say go take a paper towel roll go take a toilet paper roll and put it up to your eye that's what it's going to look like when you're clearing your home so practice clear your home to do that just so you can see what it looks like.

[00:56:50] Wow yeah yeah I know people that do it I do it myself but under pressure is a whole different game right. It is yes everything changes.

[00:57:00] So Jason what do you think you know since we're on the prepper broadcasting network here from your standpoint you clearly have a lot of prepper tendencies if you got two years worth of food stored you're ready for the uncertain things right.

[00:57:16] What are some things if there are any on the top of the list that you think preppers get wrong in their sort of journey towards self reliance and independence and preparing for the worst case scenarios.

[00:57:31] Well I'd say one thing is not having redundancy so I love your as much as anybody I'm in absolute gear junkie but I'll see guys you're like all right I've got one flashlight one of these knives one of the X one of what you know I have one generator it.

[00:57:47] What does it mean allow you to if you can afford it have redundancy to redundancy I mean I can't tell you how important that was the agency have backups to the backups to the backups.

[00:57:56] Same thing is you know bug out locations are meeting locations during a crisis you don't just have one meeting location you have three meeting locations in the first one in case the first one you can't reach.

[00:58:06] So I would say redundancies a big mistake and then I would say of course which is most people know is not actually knowing how to use your gear not taking it out not testing it not playing with it.

[00:58:14] You know I've got two years with survival food but I eat it I use it I'm lazy sometimes so I just want to use it for a meal type of thing or yeah maybe I'm one of my bug out locations and I'll cook it.

[00:58:25] So not knowing how to use your propane stove not knowing how to use that average to average flashlight that's a 21 flashlight or whatever you bought type of thing.

[00:58:33] So he's pay pay attention to your gear and take it out set it up I realize it's a pain in the butt to do that.

[00:58:43] But you know like every the second Saturday of every month I run all my generators I test them you know my Honda gas generator I let run for 30 minutes to make sure it's working type of thing.

[00:58:53] So just have a little checklist like that where once a month I'm going to test my flashlights once a month I'm going to take out XYZ just so you're staying on top of this stuff. I love that I love the gender wants to want bi weekly generator.

[00:59:10] I've heard so many stories we've had so even hosts have had those situations where like yeah I have a generator. Yeah there was a storm. Yeah we lost power.

[00:59:21] Nope the generator wouldn't start you know for whatever reason you know it's happened to several of our hosts and that's and many listeners. So that's a big one. That's a big one staying on top of those things. I usually do a seasonal generator fire up.

[00:59:37] I can't say that I do it by weekly but I do a seasonal generator fire up for sure and of course a you know oil air filter. Yeah gas a lot of times I'm a lot of times I'm siphoning gas out of that thing because nothing's happened.

[00:59:55] That's that's an aspect of prepping the people don't talk about a lot too right sometimes you put a lot of preparations in place that you have to take out because you know didn't happen.

[01:00:04] Bug out bags got to pull food out that's gone bad whatever the situation is sometimes we get lucky nothing happens. Yeah hopefully I mean what I told me when I'm training him is remember it's going to be a personal crisis most likely we're going to need your food.

[01:00:21] I mean I've got friends and relatives who have lost jobs had divorces medical conditions or whatever and they've had to live off their survival food.

[01:00:27] And so it wasn't some end of the world crazy scenario but hey you know my cousin of mine his business went on and he lost everything and they were living off their survival food.

[01:00:37] So that's why we need all this stuff I mean it's same thing as a grid down scenario I believe is a major major threat but most people are going to use their generators when they have a storm in Utah where I live or Texas had all those storms last year I think.

[01:00:52] And then people need a generator so it's mostly going to be in your local area where you're using this type of stuff. Sure yeah makes sense.

[01:01:01] So over at you guys are doing a you guys are doing a brief now sort of like a daily wrap up of events that type of thing.

[01:01:11] Yeah we have two we have a daily brief and we also have a monthly physical newsletter so good old hold in your hand newsletter war wrap latest threats and here's what to prepare for. What comes in the mail.

[01:01:24] Yeah comes in the mail yes a good old fashioned newsletters we send out every month check that out. That's a great idea. I like that a lot.

[01:01:53] Did you mute yourself Jason I think I lost you know no I thought you were doing some I heard like sorry about that my fault I ended on a on a kind of note where I thought you were going to go forward with it.

[01:02:04] Yeah I love the idea of a paper document for people to read over the other great thing about tell you what's really beneficial about a hard copy paper brief.

[01:02:15] And I guess back in the day you wouldn't have to worry about this kind of thing but what happens is I don't subscribe to any of these online briefings and the reason I don't not because I don't value the content I do people just share them.

[01:02:30] You know what I mean like they sign up they pay the money and then you wind up getting hit with stuff all day long from people look which is came through and look at that I know you're probably not supposed to do that but that's the reality of it.

[01:02:42] So the idea that you send something physical out. Yeah the days of the chain letter over that thing's probably pretty safe. Yeah I'm a little fashion.

[01:02:51] I mean I love the physical stuff and I still subscribe to pretty much every gun and knife magazine on the planet so I'm getting numerous gun and knife magazines every month and just seeing what's new there. So yeah like I said I enjoy that type of stuff.

[01:03:04] Yeah it's good. The briefs are good man. I mean I've never read yours particularly but I think they serve a purpose. I think they can drive people a little crazy too. I think that's important for people to regulate.

[01:03:16] You know what I mean how much of that they're taking in. You know if you're reading three different briefings a day listening audience you probably could pair back. You probably could pair.

[01:03:26] Well I mean I think it's just you got to apply whatever to your whatever makes sense for your own individual situation. So you know the reason we do it is I say listen this is what I do for a living this is what I love.

[01:03:36] It saves you hours and hours and hours because I'm doing this. I mean I work 12 hours a day whether it's training whether it's consulting whatever it might be so you don't have to spend 12 hours a day figuring out what is going on in the world the latest threats.

[01:03:49] I'm talking to my CIA buddies and all that so you're saving a ton of time by me doing everything for you. Yeah sure makes perfect sense.

[01:03:57] So what would you recommend over at spybriefinggear.com for the listeners are there any things that you favored over there that you really like that you recommend trainings that type of stuff.

[01:04:09] Yeah I mean there's our alone and unafraid book it is a 420 page survival Bible if you will and I mean we have everybody loves alone and unafraid so I would check that out that's a book that's at the top of many people's list.

[01:04:24] And then we've got our ultralight Tomahawk I'm a huge fan of Tomahawks. I have him in every bug out bag I own.

[01:04:31] I've used them mostly for chopping stuff or getting out of a car accident in the winter kind of type of thing so not bop anybody's head fortunately but I think you got to have you know some time Tomahawk in your gear just a very versatile weapon.

[01:04:48] And then just you know look at the rest of the stuff what is applicable to your situation you know what do you need to shore up do you need to know info about a bug out location you need more home defense training and figure out where your gaps are because everybody's got gaps somewhere.

[01:05:03] Yeah I like your take Jason on the whole. You got a problem fix it mentality. You know. Preface. Yeah I mean that's what it is.

[01:05:15] I'm always looking at you know I'm I was trying to think what my gaps are because they just said everybody's got gaps so what are my gaps. You know and I don't know what that is.

[01:05:24] I mean I got home defense I got my food storage I'm situation I'm sure there's a gap nobody's perfect I know I'm not perfect but I'm not exactly sure what my own gaps are these days. Sure yeah I'd have to do a whole another show.

[01:05:39] To discuss my gaps. But well what else man anything else before we call it. I mean I usually like to keep these around an hour and I think you have divulged some some really great stuff to the listening audience.

[01:05:54] You know I would just say is you know when I first joined the agency I mentioned I was 23 and fake news wasn't a wasn't a popular thing then but I remember I'd be at the agency and I'd see something on the news and then I know what's really going on.

[01:06:08] And I was like holy crap that you know the American public has no idea what's going on. I can't believe the media is saying this when this is what's really happening and obviously these days we know about the media.

[01:06:18] So what I would say is whatever you're reading try and verify it elsewhere and try and see what the agenda is. So for instance let's say let's say we're recruiting a source in Russia to spy for the United States right. That source gives us amazing info.

[01:06:34] Well we don't just take that sources info we try and collapse. What am I trying to say. You know what I'm trying to say corroborate it. Yeah the word I couldn't get out.

[01:06:42] We need to see if this guy's legit even though we think it's amazing we're going to other sources to say OK did this guy say really adds up to see these honest. So check multiple places question everything.

[01:06:54] See what the agenda is and do your own homework because a lot of people these days are zombies they just go through life. They don't really put in any effort. They're not working hard this and that but actually see OK what is this guy's agenda.

[01:07:07] Like if Jason Hansen tells you stuff what is his agenda. Well I want to keep you safe and yes I have stuff to sell but you know I don't have an agenda where I'm not some government employee trying to brainwash you or whatever.

[01:07:19] So wherever you're getting your news try and figure out the agenda and try and corroborate it and say OK are other sources saying this too.

[01:07:26] Or is this guy just not so trying to you know trying to give me to do something that is not legit that is not honest.

[01:07:33] Excellent yeah I mean we are basically forced to do the job and what you described is very similar to the job of what a proper journalist would be doing anyway before bringing news to the forefront right. Right which of course is not happening much these days unfortunately.

[01:07:52] Well Jason awesome absolutely awesome.

[01:07:56] We'd love to have you back if you feel so compelled I'm sure there's a million stories you could tell us with fake names and fake locations that would just thrill the audience and could be directly you know tied to the events that we're going through in this nation today.

[01:08:10] I appreciate you coming on. Hey thank you for having me I'd be happy to come back. Excellent all right. Jason Hansen PBN family.