Recap of Ration or Ruin Week 3 w/ FD, NBC Guy & Bankster Breaker

[00:00:01] We're here for the third week recap of Ration or Ruin, Fender Breaker of Banksters, here with Dave Jones, NBC Guy, and Future Dan himself. Dave Jones and Future Dan. Let me start with Dave real quick. How you doing this beautiful morning?

[00:00:18] Dave Jones Oh, it's great. Killing snakes. In the back channel I sent pictures of some rat snakes we dispatched yesterday. Maria got two of them and I got one. I have a judge. I highly recommend that weapon. It can fire .45 Colt and 410 shotgun shells. Dave Jones Oh.

[00:00:46] Dave Jones Yeah, so that's what it, you know, 410 shotgun shells. Hey, and this is my prepper tip. I want to get this in before I forget it. PBN family look up cut shells, cut shells. You'll see videos on YouTube, but it's basically you take a razor blade around the wad of a shotgun shell, you cut around the shell, and that holds the shot.

[00:01:24] Dave Jones Dave Jones So that's something you can do, but you can't cycle it. But if you have a, like a judge or a double-barred shotgun or something like that, you can get far more power out of your shell. So there you go. Check out cut shells. Dave Jones Hey, so yeah. So guys, how is week three going?

[00:01:54] Dave Jones Go for Dan. Give us your debrief. Dave Jones I found out a lot about XMRE. I found out what I liked about it. I found out what, well, a little bit of what disappointed me, but that's the product. Myself, Dave Jones Still really hungry. Week three of Rational Ruin.

[00:02:19] Dave Jones Yeah. So, Ben, how are you feeling? I know you got a great spreadsheet you're going to share. It shows a lot of data. Dave Jones I got my spreadsheet. It's been motivating for me as kind of a data nerd myself. The XMRE week. Let's call week three the XMRE week. I enjoyed them.

[00:02:42] Dave Jones I thought that they provided more sustenance. And we'll go through all the scores actually here in a second. But compared to Ready Hour and compared to Mountain House, the XMREs were much, I'm not going to say much better, but they were better, more substantive, and much more expensive too.

[00:03:07] Dave Jones But yeah, I feel really good this week. I don't know if it's because of the XMREs or like you and I were talking about. I have just kind of normalized with this new calorie deficit. Dave Jones But XMREs did bring my morale up because there is some good stuff in there. I'm not going to lie.

[00:03:24] Dave Jones Yeah. Well, and the intrepid commander can't join us. He's going to give us an update later. His own update. You know, Memorial Day weekend. He's doing things with the family. Dave Jones He did tell me that a fox got in his hen house last night, killed all these quail and one of his chickens. So he was raided. Dave Jones And he's sorry he can't join us today.

[00:03:54] Dave Jones So guys, you know, when I fast, I noticed some things physiologically. How's your sleep been? Dave Jones How's your sleep been, man? Dave Jones You go first because, oh, you asked me. I was having a little bit of tech issues here. I'm trying to get things working on the background. I'm going to stop sharing my screen. It might have been lagging things out. Go ahead, future Dan, and I'll answer afterwards.

[00:04:19] Dave Jones Yeah. Sleep's been not worse. It's not worse. Maybe 10% better. I always thought I got good sleep.

[00:04:33] Dave Jones I guess it would be enhanced because I'm, you know, depleted on calories. In the evening, now I'm really like probably normally tired, right? Not artificially stimulated. I've pretty much gone off of caffeine entirely since May 3rd too. Dave Jones Yeah, that's a big, that's a big, big change. Dave Jones I don't know. That's not in the food. That's like an absence of it.

[00:05:03] Dave Jones Yeah. So, and I'm eating oftentimes a large amount in the evening. So, not too late. But, so I'm tired. I'm full. It's easier to fall asleep. Dave Jones Yeah. And body pains? Have you noticed anything about, you know, your normal aches and pains? Are they less or are they more? Dave Jones I got personal circumstances that are more, but it's got nothing to do with ration or ration. Yeah.

[00:05:32] Dave Jones Yeah. So, I am distracted by pains and aches that accumulated over a lifetime. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones But I can't say that fasting, you know, again, I'm not doing a pure fast. I'm drinking, I'm drinking protein shakes on days off. So, I'm not going to zero calories any single day. So, I can't, and I never intended to. So, the purported health benefits and effects of straight up fasting.

[00:06:02] Dave Jones Right. Dave Jones I can't honestly report on that. But, in terms of just less calories now, you know, we've done it for three weeks. I've adjusted to less. That's for sure. It was a real hard adjustment week one. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones Yeah. But, like, like Ben said, I'm probably could sustain this level of calories for a while now.

[00:06:28] Dave Jones Yeah. You kind of reach a steady state. You'll be able to see that in Ben's graph. He has this spreadsheet with different things. It's quite detailed. And it looks like, well, Ben, how's your sleep been? Dave Jones Honestly. Dave Jones You find that you're sleeping better or worse?

[00:06:52] Dave Jones It depends on what phase of the week it is or what I'm doing. So, for example, right now I'm on about 35 hours, no food, no calories at all. So, on the weekends, I've been having no supplements and no food at all on Saturday, Sunday. Dave Jones But on Tuesday and Thursday, I have had between 800 to 1,200 calories with a lot of protein as an in-between-day supplement.

[00:07:20] Dave Jones But on the weekends, I've been going. So, on the weekends, my point is I need less sleep. I'm more hyper like this morning. I'm really hyper because, I don't know, I hit this different level between about hour 30 and 45 of fasting. Dave Jones And that's when you're really deep into ketosis. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones Run it totally out of carbs in your body. It's all burning fat. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones And you also have some adrenaline. So, it is a little stressful for your body. So, it's not good to do this all the time. Dave Jones Yeah.

[00:07:50] Dave Jones But the point is I'm very clear headed. I need less sleep because my body is not spending a lot of energy digesting. Dave Jones And I have a bad habit of eating a lot of food late at night, which I know makes my sleep worse normally. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones And since I'm not eating or the nights I'm not eating at all, I don't have that problem. So, instead of needing like nine hours of sleep, which I sleep more than an average person, I need like seven and a half or eight hours like a normal person when I fast.

[00:08:20] Dave Jones So, if I can bottle up what I feel right now and the sleep I have right now and have that every day, I would. The only problem is I got to get calories in at some point or I'll waste away. So, I can't live like that forever. Dave Jones How about aches and pains? Do you notice more or do you notice them less?

[00:08:39] Dave Jones Well, I'm going to split this into two different sides. For my workouts, I feel more and it takes longer to recover. So, my actual workouts, I feel as strong and as good as ever the last few weeks. I don't know how much longer that will last though.

[00:08:59] Dave Jones Because instead of being sore for a day, maybe two days, I'm sore for a few days and I can feel a little, it takes a little while after a three mile hike through the woods up and down the hills to recover. So, those first two, three weeks, I think I could power through it. Dave Jones But now I think it's starting to catch up to me. We'll find out. I'm going to go on a long hike tomorrow after about 60 hours fasted and then I'm going to eat a bunch of our week four food, but I don't want to preview it too much.

[00:09:27] Dave Jones But I feel, so those aches and pains, a little worse. The recovery from actual exercise. And if stuff hits the fan, you're probably going to be hiking a lot. So, that could be a big problem. Worse than it is like in this simulation. Dave Jones But my normal aches and pains is similar to my sleep and also my hunger. What type of fasting or non-fasting am I doing?

[00:09:50] Dave Jones And this is something where I'd encourage after this exercise, future Dan, to try out a 36 or 48 hour pure fast only water because you have to have, and I've done the research, less than 400 calories. Dave Jones If you have more than 400 calories in a day, most of these anti-inflammation and autophagy do not take much place and take places strongly, exponentially less.

[00:10:17] Dave Jones So you might get 20% of the autophagy from having 600 calories compared to the 100% autophagy at zero calories. Dave Jones Point is, inflammation is down massively on days that I fast. I have no aches and pains, old shoulder and knee injury.

[00:10:34] Dave Jones I had. Don't feel it at all. Back feels great like this time of the week, but probably like Wednesday or Thursday after I've been kind of grinding through my work days and I've had the XMREs or others. And so I'm not in that fasted state. Then I do feel more bloated. I retain a lot of water and I feel more sore. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones So take that for what it's worth. Dave Jones I think.

[00:10:58] Dave Jones Well, I've, I've, yeah, I figured I'd ask these questions now that you guys have been in it for three weeks to see, you know, if there's any similarities between this and, you know, straight up water fast. Dave Jones So let's go over the review. Future Dan, I'll start with you. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones So in the back channel, Ben, I shot you the scores. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones You want me to go through them?

[00:11:29] Dave Jones Yeah. Throw, throw out my score. If you will, I want to stay consistent and I don't have it in front of me. So if you could throw that out and then tell me if you're, you know, higher, lower and maybe why. Dave Jones Awesome. We'll do one at a time. So from one to 10, 10 being the best, the first attribute longevity, you gave it a six out of 10.

[00:11:53] Dave Jones Yeah. It seems less than ready hour and mountain house. It, I don't think you're getting 30 years out of it. Dave Jones I agree. I've seen some conflicting info. In fact, I was sharing my screen here for those who aren't just listening on the podcast. We do a video by the way, now on pepper broadcasting network quite often, but it was kind of lagging us out. So I turn off the video, but I'm looking at it right now.

[00:12:19] Dave Jones On the website, XMREmeals.com It says best buy date 2030. So that's only five years for the best buy date. Now you and I were just talking about yesterday, actually the difference between best buy versus expired and all that, but still only five years best buy. Dave Jones I've also read on the back and online that, you know, if you store it above 90 degrees, it's like six months.

[00:12:47] Dave Jones Wait, is it, wait, is it best buy? I don't, I don't see what best buys got to do with prepping. It's about how long you can eat the food for. Dave Jones Well, exactly. But I mean, it's five years compared to the 25 or 30 years. Dave Jones It says expires in five. Dave Jones Well, okay. Well, I mean, we can't really go into that debate too deep right now, but. Dave Jones It's got to last more than five years or it's not even MRE.

[00:13:15] Dave Jones It said in bad, if it's stored poorly, it's only last six months for what it's worth. Dave Jones Oh, no, no, no, no. I get you. I think we assume it's stored properly, right? I mean, if that, if that part's taken care of and it comes in cardboard crates. So the packaging is the same score as the mountain house, right? It's not waterproof. It's cardboard. But

[00:13:33] Dave Jones If you keep it safe and dry, it's going to stack up nicely. So it's, it's well packaged, but in, I guess it's a little bit of a mystery. We need to follow up on maybe on Patriot Power. How long are these things actually edible for? I'm, I scored it a six, but if it's less than a decade, then that's dropping to three. Dave Jones I'm in the same boat. I'm kind of like, I'm not sure. What do you think, Dave? Do you have any insight on these?

[00:13:59] Dave Jones Well, yeah. In the army, what they do is they buy these huge lots of meals like this, and then they'll keep some of them in perfect storage. And they break them out and test them from time to time. And that's how they can extend the shelf life. But there's no one I know that keeps them in perfect storage, other than this testing unit in the army. So whenever they issue these MREs out,

[00:14:28] Dave Jones They usually go to the units and they, they are sub, substandard storage, you know, supply rooms, Dave Jones Out in the truck, throw a case of MREs in the truck in case we get stranded. Okay. And, you know, Dave Jones Six months later, still sitting there. Dave Jones Yeah. So if you got a bulging bag or something like that, you know, not to eat that crap. That's

[00:14:58] Dave Jones Straight trips to the hospital. Dave Jones So Dave, very important for you didn't have XMRE. I was disappointed in so far as these are highly, highly economized, smaller. It's like a half MRE. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't come with your standard bag with basco salt, salt, pepper, tabasco. Dave Jones Yeah.

[00:15:24] Dave Jones Yeah, that that's not there. All you're getting is like a spork and a little pack of salt and pepper. And it not often come with crackers. That's like if you've had real military MREs, you're always getting the cracker. That's we got crackers, but not in every meal. They were none of them exceeded 1000 calories. So on feeding days, Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

[00:15:52] Dave Jones We had to eat two. And I actually, you know, for certain reasons that my own control, I only had one on Friday, I'd run out. So I did again, this is a third week in a row. I did not hit my 6000 calorie budget that we have in ration or ruin at all. Dave Jones But they're not like military. They're not like military.

[00:16:18] Dave Jones Yep. You know, not all MREs are created equal. And that's a good observation, especially if you're counting on it. Oh, it's the same as the military. No, even that accessory pack, you have gum in there. You have coffee, cream, M&M's.

[00:16:38] Dave Jones Cocoa Yeah, Cocoa. And toilet paper. Holy cow. Yeah, that that is a big thing. If you're out in the bush, and and you get an MRE, you know, you know, it usually takes about three MREs to get enough toilet paper for one dump. Dave Jones Highly collected asset never ever thrown away.

[00:17:05] Dave Jones Yep, never. And and that toilet paper can be used to start fires. It's just very versatile. And if you're not getting that in the XMRE, that that's terrible. Dave Jones No, it's a very civilianized. It's you've heard of military grade, you know, technology equipment. Well, then there must be a commercial or consumer grade. This is a consumer grade.

[00:17:32] Dave Jones And I for the price that we acquired them for there. I believe just just on the unit of purchase the crate, it's 50% more expensive than Mountain House, but we have to do the comparison of how many calories are in there. We're working on that.

[00:17:51] Dave Jones But XMREs, I think I on this cost scale, if you want to jump to that Ben, I gave it a three. I gave it a three. And you know what, if it can't last longer than it does, it's, it's, I drop it even to a very weak two. Dave Jones Yeah, so because if you're freezing them to make them last longer, you could be freezing a whole bunch of other stuff that would take up less space.

[00:18:19] Dave Jones One thing I'll say is we are specifically using the XMRE blue line, which is a case of 12. Dave Jones Correct? Dave Jones Yeah, and that gets us into variety. Dave Jones Well, real quick, real quick, they have other, XMRE does have other types. They have something, a case of six meals, and it's more expensive than blue line. So maybe that's more of like a 2000 calorie.

[00:18:50] Dave Jones It's called the XMRE 3000 XT authentic military grade. They have halal and kosher as well. But my point is, I believe the XMRE blue line is a little bit more civil civilian focused, it seems compared to the more, you know, more, I guess, hardcore one extended shelf life authentic military grade, whatever that means. Dave Jones And the prices, I got the least expensive from XMRE.

[00:19:19] Dave Jones Yeah. So real quick, I know you want to go down to another score. Just want to shout out to Jay Ferg and Firewood Forge. What's happening? Firewood Forge says this sounds like day hike food rather than like, you know, we're military. And I could make sense. Firewood Forge says carbs make me sleepy. Exactly. I feel like I get hungrier and sleepier on the feed days. And I get less hungry and all that. But anyway, back to XMRE.

[00:19:48] Dave Jones Which one did you hit on want to hit on future Dan? Dave Jones Any others that we didn't you didn't go Dave Jones Longevity Six I think that's a little questionable. It could be a range of four to six like we just talked about nutrition. You gave it a seven. I'm more in like the six range.

[00:20:09] Dave Jones Not too much different. But I don't know. I don't feel like if I was even just looking at healthy fats and protein doesn't really have that much more healthy fat or protein compared to the other two per calorie. Not by much. So but it does fill in. Dave Jones I had way more energy this week.

[00:20:34] Dave Jones Yeah, I mean, I think part of that might be the morale, but maybe it's just the straight up sugar because I mean, I had 300 calorie packet of chocolate pudding with caffeine in it. And I definitely felt amped up after that. Dave Jones Oh, I didn't get one of those. Dave Jones No, I got that. I got the taco vegetarian taco pasta. It wasn't on taste. If you want to get the taste, it was low. But some of those accessory packs, the cinnamon buns. I had two cinnamon buns.

[00:21:03] Dave Jones And they were more like cinnamon cake. But it wasn't like a sugar rush. It was substantially more food. I ate those at night and the next morning, you know, Tuesday and Thursday morning when I got up to go. I had much more sustained energy from eating that food. I think XMRE has better nutrition. Dave Jones All right.

[00:21:27] Dave Jones Hey, so when I was in the army, we would take the cocoa powder and dump the coffee, the instant coffee in the cocoa powder. And then we just use a like a tablespoon or so of water and mix it up. And that was our caffeine induced chocolate pudding. Dave Jones Yes. You can make the same thing. Dave Jones Yeah. Maybe XMRE took. We got to make that.

[00:21:57] Dave Jones They probably did. You know what? That's exactly right. They probably did that. I used to make exactly what you're talking about. Everybody did. Dave Jones Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was great, especially at night when you're on, you know, perimeter watch. And you'd save it up so that you could, you could hit that at night and stay awake the rest of the night.

[00:22:19] Dave Jones Yeah. And so the whole MRE, like how to eat them, how to save them, what to trade, what to keep. You don't get to have that with XMRE on ration or ruin. Like, no. Dave Jones I think the only other scores, well, I'll just go through them all. We talked touched on most of them, but I don't disagree with really any of these. Let me just read them off. Then you could any that you take. You don't want to have extra comments on.

[00:22:47] Dave Jones Variety. Okay. How about this one? I do actually disagree with this. Variety three. Maybe it's because I got the better packs. I don't know. Dave Jones But I was pretty happy with the variety because not only was there a main course meal, there was kind of a secondary course meal and also a treat, at least in mine. Dave Jones For example, I'd get Italian sausage, which was not bad. Like some Chef Boyardee type stuff.

[00:23:12] Dave Jones Um, mini cookies, which were awesome. And there was like rice and beans paste that wasn't bad either. Dave Jones My point is if you had ready hour, all you got was the cheese and broccoli soup. That was like a three in variety. Dave Jones I think this was like a five, maybe even a six. But again, I kind of, I think I got lucky on the random polls of which ones I got.

[00:23:35] Dave Jones Yeah, I didn't. I got duplicates on Monday and Wednesday and one more of the same. So out of five meals I had, I only had two variants. Dave Jones Oh man. Dave Jones Yeah. And that's what you get if you had cases and cases of this and that's what you'd get if family members or whoever you were with were, were taking their favorites. Right. And in terms of food fatigue.

[00:24:02] Dave Jones I think you might get this faster than mountain house for sure. I don't know. Ready hour maybe, you know, there's still a lot of variety in a big case of ready hour, you know, foods.

[00:24:15] Dave Jones I think this one, the variety, it would be tough. You'd start eating duplicates and you would, the second time I ate the taco salad and the second time I ate the Mac and not Mac and tomato sauce. Dave Jones Definitely stepping down from where I felt about it just 48 hours earlier.

[00:24:41] Dave Jones Yeah. And if you're not augmenting with, you know, stuff that you harvest or scavenge or, you know, man, that's tough. Dave Jones I will say if I didn't supplement anything at all on this, I would be feeling way worse. So not that I can, we've talked about this a lot. It's not to belabor the point. We're not going to crush ourselves and, you know, get sick for doing this exercise.

[00:25:11] Dave Jones Yeah, but everybody's on a downward trend for weight. Even the intrepid commander who didn't have a lot of weight to lose, at least I thought. Dave Jones Exactly. Dave Jones Yeah. Hey, Ben, throw up your spreadsheet. Dave Jones Perfect. Will do. Because I think everything else, the packaging you gave a 10, portioning a 10, storage 6, additives 5, anything there? Dave Jones Yeah.

[00:25:34] Dave Jones Yeah. All the portability and the economy of emergency food, how to split it up, share it, is supreme. Supreme compared. I mean, that's what you're paying for. And the comment that it's hiking food, pack and go, well, yeah, you might, for survival purposes, not be able to boil water where you're at for a period of time, right?

[00:26:00] Dave Jones Right. So, it comes back. You pay for it because it's all separately packed, a lot more packaging to it. But, you know, on the front end, the variety and cost, suspect. That's my overall Exile Murray product review from my point of view. Dave Jones A little too expensive for me as well.

[00:26:55] Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones Yeah. You're a target. You're a target because you might have more. Dave Jones That's right. And they find you have the good stuff, man. We got to find where these guys are and hit them up. Dave Jones One last thing I want to add to this just came to mind. Not only do you not have to boil water, have a fire source, heating source, the smell. People won't be able to smell it like you could open food.

[00:27:20] Dave Jones Yeah. That just triggered me because I know when I'm hungry after 36, 48 hour fast, I can smell food from a mile away. Dave Jones Yeah. So, that's actually a huge part of this. It doesn't emit any smell really. Dave Jones And if you open the pouches as designed, you perfectly open them. One tactical thing to do on that trash point is don't tear them into two pieces. Dave Jones Okay.

[00:27:44] Dave Jones Just get it open but keep one piece. It's easier to manage. And you are able to eat like every bit out of these packages. Dave Jones Because if you were to half eat them and leave them around, they'll smell. They'll rot. They won't smell good. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones Usually you're hungry enough and they are all edible enough that you can eat every bit of them. Dave Jones Yeah.

[00:28:13] Dave Jones Hey, so Ben, tell us what you got showing right now. There's a lot of red on this. Dave Jones Alright. I'll presume people are just listening and not watching, but there is a video up on Rumble if you guys want to go back in the archive or we got some people watching live. Dave Jones But this is a day by day calorie deficit versus surplus. A red line means a negative calorie intake for the day. Green means a slight surplus.

[00:28:43] Dave Jones I've averaged about 946 deficit every day for the last, I guess, like 21, 22 days, something like that. Dave Jones You can see these two lines, you know, that was yesterday and today. So I've already baked in a fast for today. So really, it's pretty variable. You can tell that some days I actually have a little bit of a surplus. Some days I have a huge deficit.

[00:29:08] Dave Jones That's part of what I wanted to test out was the roller coaster. Would that mess me up or is it a good strategy? I kind of think it's a good strategy, but that's just where the data is right now. Dave Jones Cool. That's really cool. Dave Jones Yeah, now go on. Yeah, go on to the next one. Now this right here, I thought this was interesting. Dave Jones All right. So I've, let's just say, always tried to map my weight and I've always been interested in over the years.

[00:29:37] Dave Jones I've learned that you definitely weigh different amounts in the morning and afternoons. So I always weighed myself first thing in the morning and right before I go to sleep. Dave Jones The orange line is my evening weight, which is always higher than my morning weight. Makes sense. But lots of variability. You'll see huge swings. Dave Jones Some days I would go, I would gain eight pounds. If I went from fasting to eating a bunch of ready hour that had tons of sodium, I would balloon up eight or 10 pounds.

[00:30:04] Dave Jones But within 24, 36 hours, I would lose it all. So tons of noise on this graph. But if you look at the trend, it's clear that it's downwards. Dave Jones I would say I started this at about 225 pounds and I'm down to about 218. So that's about seven pounds, two plus pounds a week. Dave Jones That's a fair amount. That's probably too much, honestly, but it is what it is. Dave Jones Ben, what kind of swings do you have?

[00:30:34] Dave Jones I've had swings of between four to eight pounds. Dave Jones Intraday. Dave Jones Intraday, yeah. Dave Jones I can never swing that much. I've never been able to swing that much in my life. Dave Jones My mind would be two. It's and it has been, it isn't moving like that. Dave Jones I think a good portion of it is because I go to that 36 or 48 plus hour fast and it'll really drain it out.

[00:31:04] Dave Jones So have you ever, have you ever done this? Have you ever measured this when, when you weren't fasting? Dave Jones Yes, but the swings weren't as much. They're usually like two to four. Dave Jones Okay.

[00:31:19] Dave Jones That's interesting because you're doing the hard, hard fasting. I am probably averaging 800, 900 calories of protein shake on my off days, right? My non solid food days. So I'm, I'm only swinging two because I'm not going without. If that's what is to be expected. If you're doing actual fasts on Tuesdays, Thursdays and weekends, four out of six,

[00:31:47] Dave Jones seven days of the week. I would never have known that without seeing that. This is awesome. Dave Jones And that's not helpful for you to lose and gain that much weight. So your way is better to smooth that line out a little more. I think Dave Jones Now go on to the last one, because this is really telling here.

[00:32:06] Dave Jones All right. I mean, you're, you're definitely on a downward trend straight, you know, down. So you, you can't keep losing weight. Now this is explain the blue line and the yellow line.

[00:32:21] Dave Jones Yeah. Similar to the last one. The blue line is my morning and the orange line is my evening. So I take a, now this has evolved and we've talked a little bit about this. It's kind of my mental energy plus physical energy and just how I'm feeling. Lack of a better term. If you want a millennial term, it's how I feel.

[00:32:45] Dave Jones Early on, I was feeling great. Lots of mental energy, a lot of physical energy, good morale. So I was like at a four, four and a half. I had a, you know, leading in nice. Dave Jones Yeah. Dave Jones It started going down, down, down, down, down, down, down. And then I hit the bottom, not like the bottom, but my low point was probably, I don't have the exact date. I can go look for it. But last weekend when I was deep into a long, fast point is I was at like a three out of five for how I rated myself average. Dave Jones Yeah.

[00:33:13] Dave Jones And I even had lower scores. Like some nights I had a two and a half or a two. But as you can see here, it's bounced back. And the last few days I've been feeling really good. Maybe it's the XMREs. Maybe I've acclimated. Maybe I'm just really happy. It's a beautiful spring in May. I don't know. Dave Jones I think it's more your body adapting to the new reality that you have. So it takes about three weeks to get into this groove. Dan, are you seeing?

[00:33:42] Dave Jones So, are you seeing something like that? Dave Jones So, blues the, blues the, you know, the overall feeling of well-being. Is that right, Ben? Dave Jones These are two different times. So one's in the morning, one's in the evening. So you can kind of just find the midpoint of these. And that's the kind of the average. Dave Jones And orange is morning. Dave Jones Yeah. Orange is morning. And actually my orange now is higher than it was when I started. Whereas my evening is still a little lower than my baseline. But my mornings, I'm feeling.

[00:34:12] Dave Jones Really good in the morning, apparently. Dave Jones Well, I'd argue that that late night XMRE had better nutrition. And it's in week three. You got three different products going on at the same time. Plotting the zones of what you were eating while you felt it could be interesting. I think those MREs had more nutrition in them. No, it's not like whole organic market homegrown nutrition. We're not talking about that.

[00:34:39] Dave Jones Talk about nutrition of foods that last for many years, at a minimum, many years. So I think that orange right there in the morning is a boost because that's how I felt this week. Dave Jones Ah, interesting. Dave Jones Yeah, it's very true. Last one I want to look at. This is protein. So we didn't, we're not tracking that. We're not tracking carbs and sodium and fat, a little bit of calories, obviously.

[00:35:05] Dave Jones But protein we decided was super key to track. This looks like a busy graph. Let's just say that these black lines are the amount of grams per day. Dave Jones The yellow is kind of like, that's my minimum on when I'm not going through ration a ruin. I minimum 150 grams of protein. I really want 200 grams.

[00:35:28] Dave Jones So, some days I've supplemented and or just had enough food to get those 200. Some days I had zero. That's where those big gaps are. It's this blue line you want to see. Dave Jones That's the rolling average. I actually, I'm not going to say over, over supplemented, but I went on some pretty heavy hikes and lifted some heavy weights midweek this week.

[00:35:51] Dave Jones So I made sure that I got a few straight days of heavy protein, but now I'm going two straight days of zero grams of protein. Dave Jones So again, I'm kind of experimenting on the roller coaster. It's not ideal, but you might get that. Dave Jones I figure if stuff hits the fan, you're not going to be able to get your three squares a day and everything's going to be all hunky dory on timing. Dave Jones Right. Dave Jones Right.

[00:36:14] Dave Jones For the PBN listeners, so the idea behind this was to continue to do your normal, whatever your work is for the month. Dave Jones So the intrepid commander is continuing to do his workouts, his runs. The other day he posted in the back channel, he hit the heavy bag. And he said when he was done with that, he kind of got a little lightheaded. Dave Jones I bet.

[00:36:43] Dave Jones So yeah, it was hot that day too. Holy cow. Dave Jones I like to see his graph where the protein spiked from eating the raccoon. Dave Jones Yeah, that raccoon got me. That raccoon got me. Man, so when I put the pictures of the snakes in the back channel, I thought, you know, I think I would eat the snake before the raccoon because I've had snake before. It's not bad. It tastes like chicken. Dave Jones There you go.

[00:37:13] Dave Jones I said if it was prepared properly, I might try it out myself. Dave Jones So a couple last things. I did stop sharing the spreadsheet, but I'm going to do the cost analysis. Dave Jones So the next week, I'm going to try to put together a simple table on this same spreadsheet with the cost analysis of the different types of food. Then I'm going to try, no guarantees, I'm going to try to do some sort of analysis that correlates calories in versus my energy levels.

[00:37:43] Dave Jones Kind of like what Firewood Forge said here. Like, hey, is this a happiness chart? Does this, does it correlate if you get, like you said, future Dan, the XMREs? Maybe that's the reason. So I don't know. I'll play with the data a little bit. Dave Jones Just having some fun, but it's kept me more accountable. Anybody that's on a diet or done anything like that knows you got to write things down. Keep yourself accountable. That helps. Dave, I know you got to go. Anything else you got to say? Dave Jones The warden's giving me the stink eye, so we got to get to work.

[00:38:12] Dave Jones I appreciate it. You were able to be here today. Dave Jones Hey, well, we'll check in. Now, next week, we're all meeting here. So PBN family, expect a lot of content next week. We're going to do some shooting on the range and see how these guys are hitting the target in calorie deficit. So stay tuned. Dave Jones Awesome. Have a great Sunday, Dave. Dave Thanks, Dave.

[00:38:40] Dave And if you have anything else to add, future Dan, we can see you in a couple minutes. Dave Thanks, Dave. Dave Yeah, totally looking forward to that. Yep. So week three, product view XMRE in the bag. Dave, one question. Dave I think he's gone. eggs. You ready for this? This is what he told me. I don't even know

[00:39:08] how much I got. I don't know if they're portioned consistently and it's going to be a lot of preparation adventure. So yeah, what are we supposed to do? That's true. That is. So our fourth week of Ration Ruin is using NBC guys homestead packed meals. We have eggs directly from the homestead freeze dry. We have packs of stew. I believe

[00:39:36] there's two types. We're going to have to, I'm going to try to figure out the proper calories and all that. He did say this though for everything, but specifically for the eggs it's a one to one ratio of water to powder. So you just can unpack it, powderize it, just kind of like crush the freeze dried stuff. So you do a cup of that and then you put a cup of water in there, mix it up and then it's just like

[00:40:04] regular eggs start cooking. Um, the stew, he also said was one to one. Now I've tested this before just straight out of the freeze dryer without cooking it and you can eat it like a cracker. So the stew you can eat straight up without warming it up. If you want pretty much like a granola bar tastes good. So I'm going to eat something like that, but you can also prepare. And he also said it was a one to one water to that. That's already

[00:40:30] cooked. So, so the stews are stews are pre-cooked. The eggs are not exactly. Yeah. And the, uh, the one to one ratio on the eggs, it makes them ready to just throw in a frying pan and scramble. That's what he said. I'm going to experiment. I saw, you know, learning some survival cooking skills as part of this. So you gotta, if it's a little runny, maybe less water. It's a little thick, a little more. And, uh, but he said one to one for

[00:41:00] everything seems too good to be true, but we'll find out. And if it's actually done that way, it's easiest to make, but, um, it's awesome. If it works that way, I think it, you know, it's going to be good test. And some of those packages means you can't eat all of it in one day. You're going to be over 2000 calories. So I think in the last week is going to be really important for your energy balancing, try to stay consistent.

[00:41:27] So the calorie expectations of, of the Dave Jones product review, homestead prepared survival emergency rations. Um, yeah, I look forward to it. Uh, I'm going to be really hungry for it. I know that I know it as well. Uh, and next week we are going to go to the, the homestead ourselves, all of us, and looking forward to breaking

[00:41:57] our fast with some good food, some shooting, hanging out. Um, looking forward to that. Anything else you want to hit on tonight? I think this is a pretty good, week three recap, uh, weren't able to do it on Friday, but in a way it might work better today. Well, wish the tripping commander was here. Of course. Shout out. Hopefully everything could get better over there, but anything else you want to hit on for week three XMRE week? Now keep up the good work on the charts,

[00:42:24] but I don't have more to add. I I'm just excited to see your charts when they get complete. Really appreciate that. Oh yeah. I love it. I love it. So, all right guys and gals, we're out of here. Patriot power hour this Tuesday. Be sure to turn, tune in. Catch you later.