Stop Worrying About Ammo w/ Dan from Ammo Squared on I AM Liberty

[00:00:00] What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what cause others may take as for me, give me liberty

[00:00:24] or give me death. I often talk about there are preps in my life that I've done. There are things in prepping that I've done that have been like the biggest sigh and the biggest relief. I don't know if you can resonate with you or not,

[00:00:59] but like the first time I put bulk food storage up, it was like, you know, and once my first order from you guys went into my inventory and I realized like this is going to work. This is how ammo is going to work now.

[00:01:17] I don't have to think about ammo anymore if I don't want to particularly. And this is off my plate now. And it was one of those moments, Dan, where I was just like, oh, you know, and that's the problem that you guys saw.

[00:01:31] So folks were here with Dan from Ammo Squared. You guys have heard about Ammo Squared, you know, all about their incredible service. We'll talk about it in detail too because we have the man behind the crazy model, dude. How did you come up with this thing?

[00:01:48] I mean, this is, you know, it's not just like, it's not just the sort of the auto ammo buy, but it's like an auto ammo buy created by somebody in our family. You know what I mean? All the things that a normal person would hang up on

[00:02:07] or get people hung up on, you just thought it all through. And it's a great service, man. It really is. What was the sort of driving force? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely been an evolution, you know.

[00:02:24] We, you know, I started it with my wife out of our garage and the idea was, you know, and still is the high level idea is just that people should have ammo when they need it. And when we went through these shortages

[00:02:40] and you couldn't find ammo on the shelf and people were scrambling for it. Yeah, our pay inflate crazy. People were scrambling and at the time I had a 401K still do and it's just like, man, I could have just like call ammo

[00:02:55] from my 401K today, you know, because I want to shoot it. Then that would be awesome. So it's basically what we created. Yeah, I love that story when we first met you told me about you and the wife in the in the shed,

[00:03:11] ziplock or before you were using that vacuum ceiling. Yeah, vacuum ceiling. That's it. Few rounds here, a few rounds there. I love that man. I just that's the birth of business, you know, such a cool memory to have.

[00:03:24] But yeah, yeah, but it's it's a great service in and of itself, man, but the details are what really well, that's what really makes like I'm a lifer, Dan. Like I'm not going nowhere. You know what I mean? Because I'm not the type of guy that's like,

[00:03:40] I want to go look at ammo on Saturday afternoon. Like it's not really I reload it. I don't know if you do any reloading and stuff like that. I learned to do all that. It's cool, but if I cannot think about it, dude, it's too good.

[00:03:57] You know, but how long did it take for you guys to flesh out? Like let them pick multiple calibers, let them choose a budget, let them choose a frequency. Was that all out of the gate or? So out of the gate, I mean really we started with word

[00:04:12] press site that had four calibers on it, 9mm 45 ACP 223 and then 308. And what we were doing back then was we were letting people buy an increments of $5 because that's what the word press thing I was using was allowed us to do.

[00:04:30] And then we would actually ship $5 worth of ammo or $5 increments. And so, you know, if that bought you 10 rounds of something, we would literally ship 10 rounds and that was the vacuum ceiling. But we realized that wasn't scalable, you know, because we're literally breaking open boxes. Sure.

[00:04:48] Now you need seven rounds of this and 12 rounds of that. So then we changed it in the site where you can, that is what's in your inventory. It accumulates over time and then you just get shipped full boxes. I mean, it's actually pretty simple when you think about

[00:05:06] it and then, you know, we added the features that we would want like, hey, I've got 45 but I want 9. Can't I just swap it out? You know, and so we have that kind of a feature. And it's so this will be our ninth year.

[00:05:23] Actually, we were kind of joking around that because we're doing a lot of like publicity and advertising and stuff. People are just now hearing about us. So they think we're brand new and I was joking. It's like we're the overnight success that took, you know, nine years.

[00:05:37] That's always how it goes, man. That's what it is. It's so rare that people are like, oh, I started a business in like six months and I'm huge success. Yeah, those are just like crazy. Yeah, I mean, those are rare stories, but yeah, it's like

[00:05:52] nine, 10 years and more of our community knew about you guys than I did. I found you guys through pod corn and then once I hammered down the sponsorship with you, I had people email me like, dude, so good that you got out of square.

[00:06:09] And I was like, okay. Yeah, we had we had listeners and we had hosts even that were excited about it. And I mean, I get it once I got on board. I was excited about it too.

[00:06:18] I was like, oh, this is this is this is perfect for prepper. I mean, it's perfect, but I didn't know you guys swap demo. So what you're saying with the swap is like I carry a nine millimeter.

[00:06:28] If I say tomorrow, I would like to buy a, you know, a revolver and carry that instead. You can how does that work? So anything that's in your inventory before you ship it is exchangeable. So what we do is, you know, you think of your it's at

[00:06:47] whatever the price is. Yeah. So it's so it's like, let's say you've got a thousand rounds of nine millimeter, you know, and it's, you know, 250 dollars, let's say or whatever. And then you would buy that much of 357 Magnum, you

[00:07:03] know, or, or however many you want, you don't even have to do the whole amount. You could say, Oh, I just want to take a little bit of this and put it into some three to seven Magnum or 44 Magnum or whatever you want to do.

[00:07:15] And so it's, it's so much more flexible than having that ammo sitting in your garage and collecting dust. I mean, I'm a big, I said all the time, I'm a big proponent of you need to have ammo at home first, right?

[00:07:27] But you don't have to have tens of thousands of rounds accumulating dust, you know, have a few thousand rounds and then have the rest, you know, with us or somebody else that, that then makes it more flexible because you can exchange it.

[00:07:41] You can sell back if you need to, you know, if you desperately need the money, all you got to do is one, you just cost contact customer service, they could do whatever we need. But you could also just close your, your ammo

[00:07:51] account and then automatically exchanges it or puts it into cash. Wow. I didn't know that either. Man, I should have done better at getting to know all the features. Well, with what you, well, we're bad at educating. That's our problem. Yeah.

[00:08:05] I'll take that hit because a lot of people sign up and they actually don't really know what they're signing up for. Well, I think you hit the nail on the head so good like with, with the initial offer, you know, with

[00:08:18] the being able to shoot so much choice, you guys hit people with an overwhelming amount of choice that just is so weird in the firearms and ammo industry in my opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like I can do what I want and it's not going

[00:08:33] to cost me a thousand bucks to start like this is crazy. You know what I mean? So I think you probably saturate people with choice and they love it and then they're like, this is good enough. And then, you know, the other managers come as they go. Yeah.

[00:08:46] And it is overwhelming and because it is so different it's there's a learning curve. But you know, honestly, we are customers that that get it, they stick around for years and years like I've got customers that have been with us from the beginning, you know, that

[00:09:02] have been around for eight, you know, seven, eight years now. And it's just we make it so easy. You know, that's what it is. It really is. It's just you don't have to think about it and we always say to we're not we're not a replacement

[00:09:18] for buying ammo in bulk, you know, look shopping deals and all that. It's like we're in addition to that. And so you have an ammo square account that just is going in the background and then it's ready. Whatever you need that ammo. Yeah. I'll tell you what, man.

[00:09:33] If you can figure out how to swap that ammo into gold and silver on your site. You'd really be a kingdom then. Yeah. I mean, eventually who knows if the dollar collapses and we're all trading gold. I mean, I'm a gold bug myself.

[00:09:49] So it'd be easy to say, okay, what's the value of gold in terms of ammunition? You know, I guess I wouldn't be easy, but that's what we should do. I think those investment opportunities are important nowadays, man and open people's eyes up to buying

[00:10:03] things like land and silver and ammo. You know, these things preppers have talked about for a long time, but I think not a lot of people even in the prepping community have acted on it, maybe more talked about it less acted on it.

[00:10:15] This this gives you the the ability like you said to put a bunch of ammo in a place that your number one, not going to have to worry about storage and number two not going to wind up shooting, you know, if you're a big

[00:10:28] shooter and you're shooting all the time, you can put this stuff away and it is now that I know about the swap and the cashing out, it is a lot like a savings account, but with another resource and that's pretty cool. Yeah.

[00:10:41] And it's out of sight out of mind, you know, so if that's what I like about it. Yeah. And if you have a small amount like our average customer spends 55 a month right now. And so, you know, that's me, you know, that's not very much.

[00:10:55] It's like, um, it's it's like a small utility bill, you know, I kind of you think about most utility bills are in hundreds of dollars. But you could you could set it up and forget about it and then it's there and then you know

[00:11:08] that solves that original problem that I I saw when I started, which was, Hey, the star shelves are empty. I don't have any ammo. I've heard shot at all. Where am I getting more ammo? Yeah, it was one of those things for me where

[00:11:23] I looked at it as I'm going to be real excited in about two years. You know what I mean? It became one of those things like when I signed up and understood and set everything up the way I wanted it, I was like, this is cool

[00:11:35] right now, but this is really going to be cool in like two years when I look, you know, look back and be like, oh, look at where we're at now. Things are looking good. You know, and that's the benefit for me,

[00:11:48] man is it's the city didn't forget it. The Senate forget it. And then also you were kind of thinking I was just thinking about this, but you know, if ammo prices go up, you know, like if there's not even any shortages in

[00:12:01] the future, which I'm sure there will be, but what if history is our guide, but even just inflation and the price of everything going up. So the ammo you buy today is going to be worth more in the future. Almost guaranteed.

[00:12:14] You know, it's like gold in my mind. Oh, for sure. And it's, you know, we're we talk about the theaters of war and the need for powder. You know what I mean? It's kind of feels inevitable. Right. Real quick though, PBN family.

[00:12:30] The link is ammo square dot com slash PBN. So if you want to sign up today, sign up now listening to this podcast, ammo square dot com slash PBN and yeah, get your get your ammo storage in order. But yeah, it feels like it feels like

[00:12:48] the price of ammo going up is almost an inevitability or or scarcity. You know, one or the other. Yeah, either or or both. I mean, that's it. And it does feel like we've been through these cycles so many times that you look ahead and I just joke.

[00:13:03] I don't I don't see more peace and prosperity in our future. You know, I just see more chaos. And so if guns and ammo are people's security like Americans specifically security blanket. And so people want to buy more. I mean with the COVID crap that hit,

[00:13:22] you know, we have what seven or eight million new gun owners. Well, you know, and the 20 25 chaos or whatever is going to happen. You might have 10 million more gun owners. Who knows? Yeah. And how many more? You know, how many more ammo suppliers

[00:13:37] are there to combat that nowadays and how many are civilian? You know, I was amazed to find out how much ammunition is made in this country and never sees a store shelf at all. Right. Just just like city stuff. Yeah. Or just military.

[00:13:52] Yeah, just going out the door to the military, which makes perfect sense. But it's just, you know, you don't think about it when you're a civilian and you're like, what's going on with the ammo? And now we have, you know,

[00:14:02] we have this and it seems to be affecting shells and things like that now more. But it's a nitrocellulose sort of shortage that's going on. And the key holders for this essential ingredient making smokeless gunpowder is China and Russia. Yeah, it's I was researching it.

[00:14:26] There's a certain type of cotton that they use. Yeah, it all comes from cotton strangely enough. That's crazy. Yeah, I guess maybe that's where gun cotton came from back then. I don't know. Maybe. Oh, yeah, gun cotton. But, but yeah, that's the key component.

[00:14:43] And I, you know, I saw that Alliance for it, which is Vista. They shut off retail sales. But they're, you know, they're still producing their ammo. And that's kind of the first thing they usually do, right? So remember the primers like they didn't sell primers Vista,

[00:14:59] you know, which is federal and CCI and those guys. They didn't sell primers to the public because they needed them for their in-house production. Yeah, I remember the primer shelves empty back in 2020 at the local at the local gun shop by me.

[00:15:13] It was like, well, because I was actually commissioned to do a project on reloading. And I went out to the store. I said, let me get a thousand primers and, you know, so we can take pictures and do all that kind of stuff. And there was nothing around.

[00:15:28] It was, oh yeah. And that's how it happens with ammo, man. It's almost like no warning. You know, right? It'll just be like, oh, it's gone. Yeah. And there's no other commodity that I could think of that

[00:15:39] does that, you know, like you don't ever go to the store and you're out of batteries, right? Right. Yeah. You know, I mean, maybe water in like a hurricane zone or whatever, but for the most part, you never go to the

[00:15:49] store across the country and all of a sudden we're out of something, you know, other than toilet paper or the COVID garbage. Well, that's because like nearly half the country is probably applauding the fact that we're out of it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:16:01] They're like, well, thank God there's no ammo in the store is great. Who wants people having guns and ammo anyway? Yeah, exactly. And the media they're not going to tell a story like that because they're happy with the result too. Right. You know. Yeah.

[00:16:16] But I mean, the good thing is with good old capitalism, if there is a shortage, those companies they crank hard to get that ammo out there. And then I do know of at least a handful of new ammo manufacturers that have kind of popped up since, you know,

[00:16:35] the last shortage and I've heard whispers about them even making primers. So it's sort of like each time there's a shortage, you know, the market says, okay, what were we out of? Oh, primers. Well, let's build a primer factory.

[00:16:48] It's not going to be overnight, but maybe by the next time there's a shortage for years now primers won't be a problem, but now maybe it'll be powder. Right. So it's like, okay, we need to get more of whatever that essential ingredient is nitrocellulose.

[00:17:04] We need to figure out how we can make that here or something different, right? Something we call it like a substitute. So then we won't be out of that. So yeah, that's good to see, man. It's good to see, you know, it's almost like the micro chip

[00:17:20] manufacturers coming up in the U.S. now, you know, this is what we all want. We all want to be independent. We all know we have the capability of being independent and I guess, you know, with the American people though,

[00:17:34] Dan, this is what it takes, you know, it takes them to be kind of cornered and put in a bad situation and feel it and then they go, okay, we'll do the right thing. You know, that tends to be the screws to people and

[00:17:46] then they're like, oh, okay, I'll put a, you know, semiconductor factory here. Right. Yeah. Yeah. If you can Amazon same day shipping the item to your house, then they're not fixing it. You know what I mean? Like let's we don't need to fix this problem. It's fine.

[00:18:01] Even if it comes from China, I guess what we need to figure out next is kind of off the subject of ammo and guns, but you know, we're talking about is medicine. You know, that's the next week. We got to rip that away from them.

[00:18:15] I heard we're going to do business with India though. There's a there's a big pharmaceutical group that is doing business with the US now. And you know, India our relationship with India is weird. We're like all over the place with them guys.

[00:18:29] They're like, yeah, we don't like China on our border, but we also kind of like Russia and you know, they're weird. They're weird like that, but they're not China. So you know, well, that's it. Yeah, exactly. It's a step up at least.

[00:18:43] So you guys got some big you said you had some big changes coming or be, you know, upgrades, I guess going on back there in the warehouse. I mean, yeah, we've just been growing. So we just did a reorg of our entire warehouse to get

[00:18:58] us about, I guess 120% more space. Wow. Yeah. And we so honestly, so when we started, you know, we we were using like when we shipped, we were using smaller bins of ammo. So you can imagine like the Gorillaz shelf, say you buy

[00:19:21] at Costco and then you've got like a we had yellow bins and then you had the different ammo types in there. Well, we've since moved to case shelving where we have just cases of stuff and then now we've reorganized to pallets.

[00:19:37] So we we still have the bins because we have small amounts of some things, right? And then we still have the case shelves because we have a little bit more of those, but then the most the majority of the warehouse right now is in pallets.

[00:19:52] And the idea is we get a pallet in. Well, you know, put it in back stock if we don't need it right now or we'll pick from it and then as it draws down, we get maybe five cases goes to the case shelf that draws down.

[00:20:06] They say you got 10 boxes that goes onto the box shelf and then you know, it's like a cycle, right? So it's bringing stuff in and putting it out. So you're managing by the pallet now. You're breaking pallets and you've got real legit

[00:20:22] shelving out there in the warehouse for glyphs, that kind of stuff. Are you like layered on the wow, okay? What's it like to be that guy, man? What's it feel like to be the dude who is like, it's cool

[00:20:35] that I have this business and everything, but I also have like just about six million. I think last count I have six million rounds of ammunition behind me. So yeah, there's people out there who are like, yeah, that's what I want. I want all of it.

[00:20:55] Oh, I know. Is this, I should ask you before, is this a video feed? This is not, no. Oh, okay. Because otherwise I was going to open the door behind me and oh, I mean, people could see it, but we have a, I mean,

[00:21:10] we have the capability of getting video so I can record the screen and go and fix the video. Oh, okay. I mean, if it's if you want to. Before I do real quick then. Yeah, it'd be fun. Why not?

[00:21:23] It does look like, like kind of like a side room that you're in the first time we talked and you were in here. You open up the door and I was like, oh, I thought you were like in your finished basement or something.

[00:21:34] Yeah, let me open the door. I'm going to take off my headphones. Sure. PBM family, ammo squared dot com slash PBN. Oh, and there she is. There you go. No, it's good. You can see. Yeah, definitely. Palates of ammo.

[00:21:54] Let me get the drool off on my face real quick. Is that shirt for sale? Yeah, actually for our on our website and we just got these in so they're not on the website yet. Oh, they won't be in the next I would say next two weeks. Yes.

[00:22:12] So Dan has a, well, you'll be able to see it in the video but I'm going to cut the video now. Dan has a ammo squared G I Joe logo t shirt that is just unstoppable. I got everybody loves this. It is so funny.

[00:22:28] I love it because I'm an 80s kid, you know, so G I Joe I played with G I Joe's when I was a kid. Well, I think most people doing what we're doing with ammo squared are in that each bracket. You know what I mean?

[00:22:41] So you hit you hit two interest lines at the same time. You got a confluence there and it's it's winning but yeah, man, that's cool to see it. We love to hear these stories about people here in America running businesses in America and and who who get it?

[00:22:59] You know what I mean? And our beings and are having success like there's really there's really nothing better than that man. It's a blessing. You know, it's not easy out there to make a living especially on your own especially selling ammo and gun components. Well, yeah.

[00:23:16] And and you know, you look online and there's a zillion small ammo companies are not manufacturers but like the retailers, right? It's it's hard to to know who to who to go to it. And my thing is I've never wanted to be like a me too company.

[00:23:32] And so, you know, building this business in this model it's it's so different. It has its own challenges like it's we have to educate people onto why they should even look at us and consider what we're doing.

[00:23:46] We have to build trust, you know, so there's a lot of more hurdles than your typical e-commerce but I'm very thankful. I'm glad that we're in the position we're in. Yeah, well, you got a good model man. There's no doubt about it.

[00:23:58] It's like I said, it's the it's sort of the flooding of choice in a market. You're not used to that and you know, the other thing about it too is it it allows you to take us a small amount of money and apply it to something that usually

[00:24:13] takes a lot. You know, like if you're going to go out and shop ammunition and really come back home and feel like you've done something nowadays, you got to spend a lot of money. You know, so this thing allows you to leverage that that's that budgeted amount.

[00:24:27] Well, that's yep. The drip right the slow drip of of ammo is kind of what people have said to pass and we've used kind of that term but it's it's you just set a small amount whatever your budget can up, you know, you can

[00:24:40] afford and then it's there when you need it. And you could forget about it. You can get a regular shipment whatever you want to do, but it's it's in alignment with your own budget because everybody knows when we have so much budget pressure

[00:24:55] these days and everything is going up in price. It's crazy. So with the changes are you guys still doing the free shipping over 250? That's an offering. Oh wow. And it's actually kind of funny because we've never raised that amount.

[00:25:10] So it's been 250 from the beginning and and it's like with inflation that becomes a lower and lower and lower bar. So it's sort of like, you know, what was it? Ten cent hamburgers, you know, in the 50s, you know, pretty soon it's going to be $150 shipping.

[00:25:27] That's like, that's like a box of ammo. Oh good. $50 of shipment. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. The and the 250 I should have clarified but the 250 is value in dollars, not rounds just so everybody understanding. Understand that $250 value, which is also great because

[00:25:46] now you can get the night and get it shipped to you and you're still not adding to the budget of ammo. You know, you don't have to set aside. I gotta spend money to get this stuff shipped to me.

[00:25:55] So let me put that in there and save up to here at 250 and value and then you can get it shipped to you. Yeah. And it's our most popular people will set up, you know, budget for shipping just over it to do 75 300

[00:26:10] whatever and then or they'll do the math and they'll figure out. Okay, if I ship X number of rounds, then that'll hit the 250 and we also even encourage people. It's like if they're shipping, you know, $100 worth of stuff, usually say, you know, it's free shipping

[00:26:27] at 250, you don't have to pay the extra. Yeah, it's a good deal. Again, it adds to that choice. You know, the ability to do it the way you want to do it get it the way you want it calibers. You want the whole thing.

[00:26:40] You guys going to expand in anything else or you just hyper focused on ammo. Yeah, right now we are just hyper focused on ammo. We have had a lot of requests for powder and primers but that or at least reloading components, but there's

[00:26:55] a whole thing involved in that and as a path as a reloader, I know people are very specific with things, right? So you know, you want a certain bullet that you've got your recipes for you go to certain powder. You know, some people care about primers.

[00:27:13] Some people don't. Some people care about cases. Some people don't but it we haven't quite cracked it so that we could we could do our model with components. Yeah, I guess you need to need another section of warehouse to pull that off. Huh?

[00:27:31] Cause you know, the amount of brands and just in powder I can think of. Yeah, exactly. And then the other thing with that is there's a lot more regulation we should always really in storage. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:43] Like like I can I mean I can have a whole warehouse full of ammunition and it's all factory boxes. It's there's no issues with it. But if I move to storing powder, then you know, I need like some real robust fire protection measures and like

[00:28:03] I visited a local ammo manufacturer and they had a magazine. They called it a magazine, but it was a big container that was outside the building where they had where they were storing their primers and powder. And there's just more regulation and such. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:28:22] There's something about as product in a service one product or one service honing it down, getting it perfect and then just you know, you guys are riding it to success. So why why mess with it? Right? Yeah, exactly. I mean, and we're just a drop in the bucket.

[00:28:39] You know, we've got I think right about now we're at like 45 50,000 customers. And then you think about the number of gun owners in America. I mean, you got 100 million plus gun owners. So yeah, we're just a drop in the bucket.

[00:28:53] Yeah, you guys got plenty of ground to cover for sure. I'm sure. I'm sure you'll be moving into it to a larger warehouse before you know it. God only knows what will happen at the end of this year that'll inspire people to take up self-defense in

[00:29:09] their own right, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I love seeing that. So I was talking to a guy yesterday that his business is where you take it's sort of like CrossFit with guns outside.

[00:29:26] And so it's like you go to the range and then he has it set up once a week where they have the sandbags and kettle bells and you show up with your full kit and you do the workout and then you shoot and it's not the focus isn't

[00:29:42] on the shooting, but it's on the fatigue shooting. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so there's just it's like that kind of business would have never been around 10 years ago. That's a good point. Yeah, that's so many people are getting into it.

[00:29:55] It's I have a blog post on my site and it's Marshall America and I went through and I talked about all of the how Americans we're such a warrior culture. We're almost like like the Spartans of the modern day.

[00:30:12] You know, you think about like the rise of the UFC you know and the popularity of that type of sport, you know just mixed martial arts, the rise of all of the firearms related sports. I mean we're just a warrior culture.

[00:30:30] Well, we were the lunatics that got on the boats from the other countries. You know, yeah, we have a pirate team. Yeah, we were the ones that were like how long might die throw the whole family on let's do it.

[00:30:42] That's why you're down west on top of that like you make it across the Atlantic. Then you're like, you know what? Let's do some more crazy shit. Let's go all the way out to the West and fight the Indians

[00:30:52] and you know try to survive on a homestead with nothing around. Yeah, it's definitely it takes us well that quote from oh man, who is it? You know we're not descended from fearful men. That's it. Oh yeah. I mean that's that's that sums it up right there.

[00:31:10] You know, there is a truth to that but that shooting under fatigue is a real thing man. My son got into paintball like a couple years I think two maybe two or three years ago now and it's so much fun to do but you

[00:31:26] that's what you face when you play that game. You play that game and you realize the first thing that fails is heart and lungs and leg and leg muscles from ducking behind cover for so long and you know I'm in shape so I

[00:31:40] can't even imagine what people who aren't in shape would have to deal with you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's all just kind of part of us as a society a gun culture getting ready you know we're getting ready. We don't know what for but we're getting ready.

[00:31:55] Well, you know when it's when when it's a number two in your whole belief system it's got to hold a special place in your heart you know number one is you be able to say what you want to say number two is you be able to shoot

[00:32:08] a gun and own a gun and be ready to use it you know so it's pretty high on the high on the index. People people have to give that it then and so many people don't I don't know how they don't touch the wires with

[00:32:19] that Dan the sort of the anti gun crowd you know if it wasn't important it'd be the you know fifth amendment or the eighth amendment or you know something down the line like there's a reason the founders put it at number two.

[00:32:32] Yeah, yeah in fact I you know should have been number one because it protects all the rest of the amendments. Yeah, that is true that is true but I don't know I do think that the tide is turning on firearms.

[00:32:45] I do think that the reality of sort of crushing the police and letting crime go you know basically unattested has even in some of the most liberal people has opened their eyes to the fact that like who I might be on my own.

[00:33:04] And you know either I have a gun to protect myself or these guys get to do whatever they want to me one or the other which one do I want to settle with. Yeah, you know yeah exactly and that's why we saw so many

[00:33:16] new gun owners during the COVID timeframe with the riots and the lockdowns people were like oh crap there's no police I'm on my own I need a gun. Yeah it was record setting for women in African-American men record setting and that's the you know

[00:33:32] that's what you want you want an armed population I mean you want an armed trained safe population you can't like unfortunately we can't know whether that's the fact or not but still a lot better than a population that's leaning towards we're going to get rid of all

[00:33:49] the guns and magically they're all going to go away especially for the bad guys. Yeah, you know. Yeah you can't uninvent guns you know here to stay and and the bad guys are gonna have them no matter what and you just need to defend yourself against them.

[00:34:04] Yeah there's only one thing that stops bad guys with guns right? Yep. Good guys with guns they come to the rescue. Like now said true power comes from the barrel of a gun and I don't think there's anything you know even

[00:34:20] even with the all powerful AI that could come run the whole world I don't think they'll ever do anything quite as powerful as you know me have firearm and you know have firearm. Mm-hmm. But yeah I mean history is like history is the guide

[00:34:35] when you look at you know what is it Cambodia and the Stalin and gun confiscation and then they start killing their population. Well even Australia was one of the only places that really you know one of the only Western modern

[00:34:54] places that allowed people to be locked up in those little huts during COVID and it had to do with the fact that they you know they basically had a nationwide buyback in the 90s and a lot of people

[00:35:06] gave up you know a lot of people's for the greater good we're gonna give up our guns to the government. Wow. It's crazy. Yeah so that's the take man. Any anything else on the ammo squared side? We're gonna be at the gun owners of America show in Knoxville.

[00:35:31] That's a knock. Cool man we got a lot of people around that area. Yeah to man Tim you should go see the see the man Dan at the what is it called again? It's the gun owners of America. I think it's goals.

[00:35:45] I don't remember what it stands for but it's gun owners of America conference. It's Knoxville. Can't remember the exact dates. I think it's like the third weekend of the month. That timeframe but it's Knoxville convention center. Man ten it's a big it's yeah it's kind of like it's

[00:36:02] basically like that their version of the inter-atio. Oh I got you okay. Yep so it's open to the public and conceal carry is allowed you know cuz so. So we're all pro gun so it's it's like it's a big

[00:36:17] it should be a big thing it's the first year that they're doing it so we just wanted to support them. Oh that's great. You guys are going to be like set up in a booth getting customers getting leads that kind of thing

[00:36:28] introducing yourself and just you know it's interesting like we did the inter-atio in May and first time ever and we had so many customers that came up to us and you know they were like wow I've been a subscriber for years or I just

[00:36:42] subscribed you know two months ago I'm so glad you guys are here to see you in person and so it was neat for us to see our customers in person because so much we do is online and so it's it's just kind of cool.

[00:36:53] Yeah that's that's our experience with prepper camp and I've got to figure out how we can get how we can explain what it is you guys do at prepper camp this year so I may just put I may just put

[00:37:05] my own account on blast on our laptop there so people can take a peek you know what I mean to say like oh I see what you got going on here you know cuz the back end of it would do a good job at explaining it to them.

[00:37:17] You know that's so that's what I did at the inter-atio we have a big it's like a digital display and I put my account up there and I said hey this is my personal account and here's the Calibri's on buy-in and here's what it looks

[00:37:29] like and here's how I ship it. Yeah okay well then if the owner verified that that's a good way to do it I think that's the way we better do it yeah that's sort of our meeting of the minds it's like a all of our

[00:37:42] hosts come and there's a it's about 3000 people every single year classes all day there's like 60 classes every day and they do the same class schedule every day so you can you know if there's no chance of overlap screwing you on a class and it's just

[00:38:00] a nominal time with great people and I'm sure they'd love to hear about you guys. Yeah what is that? That's the last weekend in September every year. I think it's 24, 25, 26 this year I'm not 100% sure but I'll be speaking there you know it's a good time

[00:38:18] and it's all camp it's literal camp like there's you know you stay there on the campsite. Everybody heads off to the show it's fun man it's a lot of camaraderie a lot of networking it's a good time but that'll be our goals for this year

[00:38:34] you know what I mean? Yeah oh that's nice. Well Dan I appreciate you man for more more reasons than one you know the business that you're doing is awesome the fact that you've decided to support PBN as a sponsor

[00:38:49] that's huge that allows us to you know say and do the things that we want to do in this censorship heavy time and you know and also appreciate you coming on today I know you're busy man. Yeah no I love it thanks for having me on.

[00:39:03] Not a problem alright folks ammosquared.com slash pbn go check it out go sign up set your ammo budget up set your calibers up and you know just imagine imagine what it'll look like six months from now one year from now five years from now.

[00:39:23] Telling you it's magic alright folks I'll talk to you soon. Thank you for listening to the Prepper Broadcasting Network where we promote self-reliance and independence. Tune in tomorrow for another great show and visit us at Prepper Broadcasting.com