THROWBACK THURSDAY - 2015 Preppers Roundtable Discussion

You've just joined the Prepper Broadcasting Network, where we promote self reliance and independence. The viewers and opinions expressed are strictly those of the host or their guests. Visit us in the interactive chat room at prepperbroadcasting dot com. Hello everyone, and welcome to tonight's very Special Preppers at the Roundtable Show. My name is Glenn, and you may wonder what makes tonight's show here on Purple Broadcasting so special. Tonight we have five gifted people in what they know, practice and share with others, joining us for a once in a lifetime roundtable meeting. The questions and topics of discussion to how and why we should all be prepared and will vary. We hope you find the questions for our guests intriguing and the answers no less than informative. What also makes us a very special night is our moderators for this program. Who better to have than doctor Joe Alten and nurse practitioner Amy Alton of doomanbloom dot net and authors of the book No One Should Be Without the Survival Medicine Handbook, which is available on Amazon. I've had the privilege of knowing Joe and Amy For many years, John Amy know well the preper survival community, having helped us get medically prepared when there is no doctor. On their website store dot doomanbloom dot net. They have put together an entire line of medical kits, supplies, DVDs and much more from first aid kits for that trail to complete family survival Medical Kids. Joe and Amy have provided us with the tools to deal with injuries and illnesses when there is no doctor. I encourage everyone to become a medical asset in times of trouble and visit their website store dot doomanbloom dot net at store dot doomanbloom dot net. I think I'm more excited than anyone about tonight's program with special guests and moderators. So without further delays, please welcome Joe and Amy Altimer. We know it. As we know it. This is the hour of Oh no, wait, this is This is not our podcast, this is actually a show and another show. It's a very special show. Thanks Glenn for the kind introduction and having a serve as host for this program. This is really, I think a special program. We've got a lot of great hosts here from Prepper Broadcasting that have joined us today. I know we're going to be learning a lot from all of you guys. We've got, we've got a pretty big group. We got five different hosts from five different programs and they're all I think, live programs for the network. So uh, don't be surprised if it gets a little bit rowdy. But let's keep it one at a time so everybody gets their message across. Now. I think I'm going to go right into it because I know with so many people, we're gonna have a lot of opinions and we're going to have a lot of discussions. So I think we should start by having each host tell us who they are and a little bit about their show. What do you think about that? Is that a good idea? All right, well there you go. Well ladies, first, Kat, why don't you get it rolling? Tell us a little bit about you and and what your show's about. Well, thank you very much, thank you for thank you for having me. So I am Kat Ellis and I have a show here on Prepper Broadcasting called RBAL Prepper Live, and we need every Sunday at seven pm. And I discuss herbal medicine for or preparedness. I'm in one of these unique little I'm like a niche within a niche, you know, I am a prepper, but I'm also an herbalist, and those two worlds eventually collided, and so we discuss all manner of things, whether it's acute issues or chronic issues, and what do you do when the pharmacy runs bare? And of course, you know, other prepping topics come up as well, because that's part of it all. But you know, that's that is a little bit about I guess me and my show. I got into it, I think mostly because I was online in a number of prepper forums and I would see people, you know, talking about, you know, what on earth would they do, you know, for you know whatever. I think it was like diabetes or other chronic conditions, you know, when medicine was just you know, when there wasn't gonna be anything available, and people were just kind of throwing their hands up in the air saying, well, there's nothing we can do so whatever. I'm like, that's not true. It's not true. So I, rather than like screaming it, you know through the keyboard and my angry typing, you know, I ended up just starting a blog and and reaching out to people that way. Well, you're doing a great job. I want to just tell everybody it's so important. I'm a conventional doctor and Amy's conventionally trained nurse midwife, but we believe in using all the tools in the woodshed, and Kat, you're really doing a great job getting that message out. Highlander. Tell us a little bit about you and your show. All right, Well, you know, I've been here gosh, I'll say about over two years, and my show is mainly around survival and tech stuff. It's it's a little bit of both. I like history, so I had a little bit of history in there, you know. I'll do stuff like all the prepper gudgets, you know, like prinsponders that to you for, you know, cause she had lost you know, the fire starting stuff. I mean, it just it's focused around you can have elecrystal electricity stuff and you can have non electricity stuff, so I kind of focus around. Both of that. Also do stuff like cybersecurity and then you know, real world security, and I mean I'm just kind of a mix between both, so I kind of kind of do it all. I guess, well. I think it's great to have the ability to figure out the tech, have the tech in place, even in situations where you don't have maybe uh, electricity, you're off the grid. There are a lot of ways that you can sort of mcguiver things together so that you can thrive in times of trouble. So I think that's really awesome. You're worth your weight in gold Highlander, that's for sure. Ray, you're up. Tell us a little bit about you and your show. Well, thanks Joe, Thanks Amy. This is Ray and my show is on Tuesday nights at nine Eastern. And my specialty is basically watching the economy, doing a little bit of history and trying to show people how certain conditions have created themselves that we find ourselves in today. My main specialty is communications. I have a pretty thriving YouTube channel and I try to help people with getting their communications in order, and basically, you know, try to spend each week and we try to cover a lot of territory because I believe it's going to be the economy that's going to be the catalyst coming up. Well, I think it's important to stay up with current events. Certainly a lot of people believe we're in a downward spiral and that's certainly I think possibility. We're going to be talking a little bit about that later in the show. So with a little looking forward to hearing your opinions, Ray, we'll be keeping an eye on that. James, James Walton, let's tell us about your show. All right, folks, with the IM Liberty show is live every Wednesday, nine Eastern Standard, and we'd like to focus on just the fact that community, in my opinion, is the most important part of preparedness. Right. I got a lot of great hosts that surround me on this channel. They do a great job covering all the basics. Amazing group here, a prepper broadcasting, And what I really like to focus in on is the power of the community and what we can do with our with our standard set of neighbors that surround us. That really is the driving force of my show. Now that said, I'm also kind of a flake. So I'm a thirty year old guy, father of two, you know, married man, a lot of interests and sometimes we go off the rails on IM Liberty and we might talk about poetry for an hour, or we might we might talk about you know, fine art or whatever it is. But whatever it is, that's on my mind. I bring it to you most of the time with a prepper spin on it, and you know, I try to be as honest as I can about what it is I'm interested in and the show, the show title I'm Liberty is all about understanding that when you look at yourself in the mirror, you have to understand that you are an integral part of this thing, this experiment we call liberty, and that's kind of where it all began and hopefully where it all will end. So thanks so much for putting this all together, g Man and guys for hosting it. I really do appreciate it. And that's basically the I'm Liberty Show Live Wednesday, nine pm Eastern. You got to come check it out. Absolutely, it looks like you've really honed in on community and I think that's so important. I mean, if you've ever seen the TV show alone or Naked and Afraid, you know that you might be able to survive if you were alone or with just one or other person, but boy, it's a pretty miserable existence. So you are definitely contributing. James, I appreciate it. Mike tell Us about thank you, Mike tell Us A little bit about your show. Your show is coming up, right, Yeah. So I appreciate I'm the last one because I got to get all my nervousness. Yeah, I'm the baby on the block. Well, my show is going The name of my show is reality Check, and it will premiere next Friday, August the fourth, at nine pm. And so the premise of my show is it is a no BS life skills show. It's gonna contain some tough topics that they're gonna offend, They're gonna upset, and that's. Just too bad. Life serves you a reality check. We're gonna be covering death, sex, childbirth. We're gonna be covering topics of you know, do you need do you let someone bleed out or do you try to patch them up. We're gonna be covering op sec, com sec, advanced communications, all kinds of topics that some of the other mainstream prepper shows don't cover. So ours is going to be kind of a very needy, gritty to the bone, matter of fact kind of show. A little bit about myself in the back right now, I do internal auditing and cybersecurity for a national bank. In the past, I've had experience with Emergency Management, FEMA, Red Cross, amateur radio. My background is kind of like Hollander. I have a background in computer and network security, but I also do two way radios, communications, nge R, if engineering, you name it, I've probably done it. If it's technical. So I'm not an expert in any of this. I don't claim to be. But I did stay at an express hotel last night. And I'll turn it back to you, Joe. Well, that's more information that I needed. Wells that good? And I tell you you know your right. Survival is hard reality, and I think it's great to have people that are willing to give other honest opinions on some of those hard realities. We certainly, we certainly write and talk about that on our show, The Survival Medicine Hour. Now let's start off. Our first question is the one that every prepper has an opinion on, and that is what would you consider to be the most likely event or events to occur, natural or man made, take your pick that everyone should be prepared for. And how have you prepared for these possibilities that Mike, We're going to start with you first this time. Oh darn okay, Well, let me see what keeps me up at night and bothers me, Well, the first thing comes to mind is almost going to be a cyber attack. We're getting some feedback there from somebody for a cyber attack that can either be on the power grid or on a crucial scat of systems. These are the systems that pump water, pump fuel, pump sewage. It might be localized to one area, but I think that eventually the hackers are going to get in and they're going to attack a major infrastructure, and it's going to be at One thing to remember with the cyber attacks is there is nothing anyone can do to prevent an attack. I don't care who you are, what agency you are, you're not going to prevent an attack. All the time I live and do this every day. Hackers have to be lucky once. We have to be lucky all the times. Really and truly it's only a matter of time for this happens. The other thing that bothers me is of course the emp CME. The thing about that is we don't know what's going to happen. That the scientists can't really predict what is actually going to happen when that goes off. The reason why is because we cannot accurately recreate test conditions. We can predict and we can theorize, just like we do with the weather. That's why the first step of science as a hypothesis, it's a guest. So em me is scared. EMPs and cmmes scare me just because of the uncertainty. The last thing that I think really bothers me, and it's becoming more and more is civil unrest or civil war as a result of the EBT system crash. So everybody knows, or at least you should know, or in my humble opinion, it's a known fact that a lot of the Antifa and a lot of the rioters and troublemakers are paid. You know, they are actors and CNN is their stage. These people come in, they stir up trouble and the problem can be that if the money, if the banking systems go down, you know, raise track and all that. And I said the other night that if I see Ray running, I'm going to try to keep up. But when you get these people that are poor, they're not going to be able to make any money. They're not going to be able to get any money. You combine that with the rioters. That's basically combining a matching gasoline. They will see and again this is my opinion, but the Antifa crowd will see anyone who is not in their group as an enemy, and the idea is going to be, well, whatever you have, I'm going to take it. And people need to remember that desperate people do desperate things. Once the animalistic brain texts over, people do stupid stuff that doesn't make sense to rational people. So those are the three things that that kind of worry to me the most. The way I would prepare for that is the way you would prepare for anything. You need to make sure that you have a renewable source of food and water, a way to protect that food and water, and you need to have a plan for friends and enemies showing up, because they will. You know, you can bug out, you can hunker down however you want to do it, but you need to expect the unexpected when it comes to your preps. And that's what I have to say about that one. Well, good, that's all I have to say about that. Well, that's great advice, though, Mike, I appreciate it. Tell a cap why don't you chime in on this one? Okay, So I agree with a lot with a lot of what was just said, barring something like I would say, like North Korea and Kim John crazy Pants triggering World War three. I suspect that it'll be something you know, either economic or you know, when you an economic problem, coupled with the general divisiveness that exists today, especially you know, it's bred with this identity politics because people view themselves as part of their little group first, rather than you know, as an American first, everyone is other, they're if they're not in their group, everyone else's other. Everyone else is an outsider rather than fellow countrymen. So there's no sense of you know, unity or being bound with other people. There's no connection with these because there are all these little dybity groups of I'm this or I'm that and so on, and so we've got all our little groups that we identify with. And I think it's been extremely destructive. And I think that this is feeding into a lot of the violent protests, and I think we'll probably see more violent protests, more riots, and when you start combining sort of you know this, I guess I don't want to call it acceptance of riots, but it's happening more and more. When you start combining this along with economic hardship, you get a really nasty downward spiral. And I also agree with you know, problems with the EBT system. Now. A couple of years ago, there was actually a little glitch there and there were I can't recall if it was nationwide or just on the East Coast, but there there was actually a little, small, little blip in the in the matrix, I guess, with the the EBT system and Walmart's were seeing a lot of problems because people were going to the register swiping their cards and the balances weren't in, they weren't showing on the cards, and people were all I mean, within a matter of you know, maybe an hour to a couple of hours, we're getting really angry and already, so they diffuse the situation. Walmart just kind of let everybody run their things through. They we'll just we'll sort it out after the fact. I got a Walmart that is maybe for city blocks down the street from me, where they were starting to get loud and and you know, a little a little on the scary side for those cashiers down there. So that that is something that I probably won't forget, not because I was there or anything, but literally just down the street from it, And when I heard about it, I was like, oh wow, that's that's way too close for comfort. So that whole idea of we're like nine meals away from you know, chaos, it's not nine meals away. It's like a few hours away. Because when people you know, are not going to be able to get their money out of the ATMs and they can't use the EBT system and they can't access all these electronic things that we've become accustomed to, or they can't get their benefits because and they've become dependent upon them. And there are a lot more people on those now than there ever were before, people who never anticipated ever being on them and they're now dependent upon it. That's a lot of angry people who aren't going to know what to do and they're not equipped to handle that kind of a situation. However, regardless of what it is, the thing that the thing I would say about it is, regardless of the specific event, disease is always going to follow a disaster. I actually have a whole you know, section in my book Prepping for a Pandemic on that and you know, while food and water and ammal I've got all that stuff. I've got that aside, and I've got all those things. I'm really concerned about those kinds of illnesses that are going to come up when you you know, there's where there are hygiene issues, when there's a lack of sanitary facilities. You know, whether that's because society has been you know, is breaking down, or whether there's someone has hacked into you know, our power supply or whatever that may be. But eventually, you know, when when something like that happens, people are going to get sick, and you know, those things will you know, there'll be outbreaks, you know in your local area. You when when those things happen, and your medical facilities are going to be bombarded with a whole lot of sick people. So, I mean, think about it. When municipal water departments stop providing safe water in major population centers, you know what's going to happen. What about when trash removal services stop, when rodents come into the mix. So those are the kinds of things that I'm focused on. I mean, I when it comes to my preps is making sure that you know, I not only have enough for my family, but my little you know, local area, whatever I can you know, help with and the people that I network with, you know, just for when you know, well when those kinds of things. So you'd see, you know a number of intestinal problems and you know, uh higen hygiene is critical. So that's that's kind of my concern for all regardless of what the event is, there's an aftermath. So that's what I'm looking at. It's certainly very easy for the with with enough casualties, with enough people to get sick and pandemics or epidemics, for the medical infrastructure to drop. So this is something that makes a lot of sense. Cats, So I'm glad. I'm glad you mentioned that Highlander. Are you on board with all this? Oh yeah, yeah, some really good comments there. You know. I've got a couple of things to add. I don't know if you want me to list my things right now, but I can. Yes, I'll go along with Kat a little bit. When when she said something that really really struck a nerve with me, when she's talking about rats and all the sewage and stuff like that. My biggest one of my biggest things is the pandemic. And there's a reason why, and that's because people are becoming, you know, more and more immune to antibiotics, and you know a lot of people are allergic to certain things. And when she said that, you know, when the stuff starts stopping, like the trash removal and stuff, and you got rats coming in. If I'm not mistaken, that's what started the plague years ago. And if something like a pandemic was to hit, you know, even if something stopped like trash real move, that could bring a pandemic in with rats biting people or anything like that. And to me, that's more scary than somebody I can see coming toward me, because the pandemic is something that you can't see happen. It can you know, it can strike a huge population and then everybody's sick, and then you might not have a cure for it, and you know, everybody might be antibiotics might not be at a premium, you might be immune to it. You don't know. That's a huge thing for me, and I just I'm kind of in the point where if I can see something coming, it's a little bit different than me not seeing something coming. Between that and a natural disaster, I think both of those are a huge risk of happening. Natural disaster. To me is it's not really question of you know when it's going to you know, if it's going to hit, it just when it's it's it's going to hit. You know. Those two right there, I think that, you know, are the hardest to prepare for because you can't you don't know when a pandemic's gonna hit, and you don't know when a natural disaster might do. You may know a couple of hours before natural disaster, but that's not a whole lot of time, you know, for those I just kind of try to prepare for, you know, enough antibiotics, you know, first aid training, you know, natural disaster. I try to, you know, live in a place where I'm not getting flooded a lot, you know, where I have natural resources around me. I don't worry about water and all this other stuff that that that's hard to prepare for. You know, there's other stuff you can sort of prepare for, but the two that I mentioned that it's really hard to. You're you're absolutely right, you know, there's no I own a home or might we own a home in Gallinburg, Tennessee, and we were just a few hundred yards away from having our home burned to the foundation last nova. So I can tell you for a fact that these things always happen. Pandemics, We're always have a limited ability to deal with those. When the Ebola epidemic came around in twenty fourteen, we had a grantle of nineteen hospital beds in units throughout the entire country, throughout the United States that were able to handle the kind of isolation that was necessary. So it's something that we did learn from and now we have many more bids that can handle things like that. But you could be really blindsided by a significant disease. Ray, how about you tell us a little bit about what you think. Well, I want to thank you again for doing this tonight. Joe and my colleagues. I absolutely agree with them just about everything. I mean literally everything. What I believe is going to happen is going to be related to the economy. The economy as you know it as it sits right now is totally unsustainable. And I do not see a collapse per se. But what I do is I see some things occurring as a result or as a catalyst of a great depression. I believe that our economy has been in recession. Since the collapse of eight, there has been no growth, zero growth, none, And I believe that we are going into the mother of all depressions going into this fall and possibly into twenty eighteen. I think what you're going to see is you're going to see benefits being cut. I think you're going to see some hyperinflation where the money that you have will lose value very quickly. You're going to see people of the investor class. These are the people that are in the stocks, and they are going to take a major haircut. Everybody lost thirty to forty percent during the collapse of eight. The collapse of eight will seem like a picnic compared to what's coming. So I'm looking at the economy. I'm also I mean, there are some natural things like CMEs, and there are some other conditions, but what I really am concerned about is the economy, which is going to trigger you know, the inner cities. The people in the inner cities are going to run out of benefits, They're going to run out of entitlements. They are going to go on the prow to get what they need to get what they want. I believe once the cities have been pretty much used up. They're going to make their way out to the suburbs, and they're going to go after the people who have not prepared, the people who have two homes and have two audis in the driveway, and they are basically they're well is on paper and everything they have is debt based. They're the people that are going to die, as simple as that. They're going to die, and anybody who hasn't gotten prepared, unfortunately, is going to get run over. As far as my situation, I believe that having cash, sitting on cash and waiting until the bottom of this upcoming depression, I'm going to call it three and a half years. Once it gets underway, the bottom will be about three and a half years. If you're sitting on cash and you're not into anything else, but you have cash and you have precious metals, you'll be able to prosper at that time. I also have gold and silver. I have solar power. I have food, long term food already stored. I have a crisis seed vault. I have lots of water filtration pro pures and Burkey's. I have meds. I have medical kit from Doc Bones and Nurse Amy. I have I had plenty of AMMO and security stuff. So that's basically you know, I'm pretty much prepared, you know, but I don't think anybody is really ultimately prepared. We say we are, but I don't think we are. Yeah. Well, from a from a medical standpoint, I'll tell you, one major hemorrhage can take up a lot of bandages. So you're you're certainly right, You're certainly right about that's whe I think those. People that you are just describing that are are sitting on paper money and have nothing in their. Houses, those are our neighbors. Yeah, and they are going to be so upset when this happens, and Joe and. I are just going to be dancing in the ray. Yeah, well I'm not going to be listening. I had their neighbors too, of mine because I lived down the Jersey Shore. Yo, how you going? But yeah, and they have their five hundred thousand dollars condos and all that. But you know it's going to be it's going to be a mess a lot of people. That You're absolutely right, jem last, but not less. All right, Well, one thing that I think we all let me first say, how sweet is it to be surrounded by a group like this that is some great I mean I almost got a little wrapped up in just what was being said, right, I mean, that's a that's just it's just a great group. One thing I will say that I don't think got mentioned that was my number one And for for preppers it might be something that's in the bag already, but for new newcomers and things like that, it's very important that we prepare for what I call kind of the regional, because I think the regional is what we know that's kind of the known, like where do you live and what do you deal with often? And get that thing sharpened to like a more blade, you know what I mean. So if you're on the East Coast, then you deal with hurricanes, be prepared for the most powerful hurricane that the world can throw at us, you know what I mean, and understand that you're gonna deal with them. That's one thing that I think is so important is that one of the things that I did when I first got into prepping was before I got real deep into it because I was hit early. I was hit as a new father and I was just a twenty five year old know nothing, you know what I mean, And I was a week to week grocery shop or that type of thing. And one of the things I did before I started diving into the radical was I said, all right, we get hit with hurricanes. It happens. I'm in Virginia, and I said, I'm going to get this hurricane preparedness thing locked up and then I'm gonna move on to things that are more you know, possible, could possibly happen. So my first and foremost when it comes to preparedness is definitely locking down the regional and getting that just honed to perfect. Whatever that means. Does that mean food stores, does that mean you know, generator, whatever it is. But I think the regional is a very big one that we have to we have to take care of, and I think some people rush over it because you get scared. You read the articles and you read the you know, you watch the videos, you listen to the podcast, and you're like, it's all coming, it's all coming to an end. I have to buy silver. But the regional, I think is very important. That said, civil unrest is just we are so right for civil unrest, and we've seen it in action, and we're only going to see it in action more people. There's so many people in the country, right, they say three hundred million, but how many are here there legally? How many people are you know, undocumented that whole thing, and how many people are just dell to hand? That is impossible, you know, I know, I know a lot of people in the preper community of the conservative sort of leaning, and I am too on a lot of things. But there's no denying that some people, a lot of people are dell to hand. That is just you know, you're not a good looking person, maybe you're not really a smart person, maybe you come from a wrecked family. We're dealing with swaths of people like that. They're all getting into college, they're all coming out of college. You're all thinking, why am I not making sixty to eighty thousand dollars a year and living the life that I'm supposed to And then they're all inundated with success twenty four to seven. Right, every time you turn the TV on, it's a star, it's a movie star, it's a millionaire, it's a billionaire. Jeff Bezos is going to be trillion at whatever it is. And you watch that stuff, and man, that stuff has an effect on society. There's no doubt about it. When you are inundated with other people's success on a twenty four to seven, it has an effect. You look at yourself a different way. You say to yourself, why am I not successful? We need to tax these rich people. Man, they need to give me more money. I need more money. And I think that's all boiling over. I think people people who are struggling out there, and I don't think it's the right thing, but I think it's the thing that they're going to do. I think they're just going to say I've had it. I can't make it in this system either. You know, I'm not pushing hard enough, but I won't admit that it's all gonna boil over. It's gonna boil over politically, it's gonna boil over socially, culturally, whatever it is, you know. And the civil unrest is just going to continue to slowly creep. I don't think it's gonna be a big you know. I don't think there's gonna be an event that's gonna push everybody over. I think it's gonna slowly just creep in to the point where we're like, oh, it's riots. It's riots every day now. Riots every week, now, you know, something like that, until which is my next piece, until the government can no longer stand it and the people have had it, and then they take things into their own hands, and then we see something like a martial law scenario. And I don't think it'll be a nation wide martial law. So the civil rest unrest comes first. That's ugly enough, right, We're gonna deal with with riots. We're gonna deal with the mob mentality. People are gonna die, there's no doubt about it. Hopefully the police can stifle it. But when you really think about the police, I mean, they're vastly outnumbered, and once the respect of the police is sort of demolished, and it seems like we're kind of on that path, right, Even politicians seem to be on this road of let's destroy the police and everything that they've tried to establish in their thin blue line. Once that's out the window, then comes to martial law. People, we have no choice then, And I don't think it'd be like I said, I don't think it'd be national martial law, but I think it'll be pockets all over the nation, big cities at first, and maybe larger counties to come and it may be off and on. You know, maybe this week Baltimore is under marshal law. Maybe next week it's New York City or parts of maybe it's Queens, something along those lines. It's gonna be an end of liberty. Though for Americans it's gonna be curfews. It's gonna be We've seen in how many situations, though it always falls under the radar. I'm a staunch Second Amendment guy. Right. My hackles go up every time I see an assault on the Second Amendment. It's one of the most important things in my life. You know. One of the things I worry about it more than anything, is if the day ever comes when people come to my door and say they need to take my guns, because I think it'll be one of the greatest decisions I ever make in my life. What do I do? Run? Do I shoot? Do I do I do I stand? What do you do? Do you hand them over? It's a very deep decision. But when we watch Boston, right, we made a movie called Patriots Day. I love this Marky Mark. Marky Mark was host of a movie called Patriots Day. And what they never talk about is they rolled through and took everybody's guns. They've instilled the curfew. That night after the bombing, they took everybody's guns. Same thing at Katrina, they rolled in curfew, took everyone's guns. Nobody even talks about it. It's a terrifying thing, martial law, and I think it'll happen out of out of pure necessity. So that's kind of where I'm at. Prepare for your regional because you know what's coming, right, you deal with tornadoes, you deal with earthquakes, what do you deal with? Be an ace at that first, then be for prepare for the civil unrest. There's a lot of unhappy people in this world. There's a million reasons why they're unhappy, and be prepared for the follow up of the unhappy people, which is martial law. Well, I'll tell you one thing that all five of you guys have put together, had an incredible list. I mean, I've got it, actually, each one of these things written down, and I look at these and sure, maybe next week you may not be personally affected out there with by one of these events that our hosts have pointed out and have described. But over the course of a lifetime, I mean I think the chances aren't so small that you're going to be hit by one of these things. So it just underscores to me, right right, underscores to me the importance of being prepared. Now, let's talk a little bit. Glenn put together as a survival scenario for us, and it goes sort of like this. You're on a camping trip in the wilderness with friends and family at disaster strikes. You happen to be safe in your surrounding area. Surrounded area, surrounding area. Excuse me, but you're isolated. You know the event's going to last maybe about thirty days, and then things will stabilize. Your party has to, unfortunately, remain where they are, and so what are you going to do? There's water, there's shelter. Glenn's got the wild game and even the wild edibles to forage four out there. But what he's looking to find out is what are the three most valuable items to have? What would you what are the three things that you would like to have there with you? Now I'm going to start with I'm going to start with Ray this time. Ray, why don't you tell us? Well, okay, Chet, what in that scenario? There are the three things that I would want to have. And again Glenn stipulated that there's water. I say water that's from where I'm from, you know, so everybody says that, got uh, there's shelter, there's wild game and food to forage. So the three things that I'm going to have is a rifle to hunt game. They gonna have definitely have my Kenwood tryband Ham radio handheld with me, and I will have my I will have my Doom and Bloom medical kit without a doubt. I'm not even kidding about that. I will have that because there's not a there's not a paid endorsement. No, not a paid endorsement. But but but the stuff that you guys put together, it's all ready to go bang. And I I just I believe that those would be the three things that I would want. Definitely awesome highlander. Why don't use the chime in on this? I know everybody's so polite, all right, Well, let's go uh, let's go o, Mike, I didn't do it as you would want to have. I didn't do it. What what am I being blamed for? No? This is microprin. There. Yeah. So so since shelter, yeah, since shelter is included that's awesome because it sucks to get rained, and I can tell you that. So my items are Number one is fire starting, some way to start a fire, because you need a way to cook and heat. A second item is going to be some type of weapon that can be a knife, an axe, or a gun, anything that you can use to protect your family from two and four legged animals. Number three, if everything else is included, then that's gonna be a tough one. I don't know, because there's like, there's so many things that you could think of these like I need this name this night. I'm actually gonna interest do to too. I'm gonna say, if you've got shelter covered, and you've got food and water, you need a fire starting, and you need a method to defend yourself and or bad game and that's mine. Right, good final answer, and you are you you may have won a million. That is those are good and that's that's a good answer. CAT three items a little uh you know, really. I'm here. I wasn't muted, but it took a while for the little deep thing to say that. I just heard it go off, all right, So there there's a little delay on that. I guess. All right, So the three things I would want. While water was mentioned, it didn't specify that there was a water filter, so. I'd want to water, yes, no, no, no, he has water that there's water, but not necessarily water exactly. And I want to save my charcoal for my first aid stuff, so I want a water filter. That so some kind of straw or some kind of burky or something, but whatever it is, I want a water filter. I also want a really really good knife, and then I can make a whole bunch of other stuff as long as I've got a really good knife. And I might be cheating by saying this, but I want a first aid kit and that's got all kinds of stuff in it, so that's not just one thing, but i'd want my first aid kit. There you go, all right, sounds good, sounds good. Let's see Highlander. Are you there? All right? Well, let's go to James. James, give me three items. I wish I could wow you, but this is going to be pretty basic and pretty boring. I'm going to have the magnesium faroh combo right that we all have. I'm sure we all have them. They come cheap, I've got plenty. I want that. I want to be able to start fire. Fire is very important, do a lot of things with it. I want my k bar with me, right, good sturdy, full tang blade that I can do whatever I need to do with. And just like cat sentiment, I want to make sure I have a way to filter water. So I'm gonna bring my cade in water filter my hiker with me, and uh, you know that's got a rincible filter. So that's that's gonna that's gonna help us out for a long time until until we figure out, you know, whatever kind of water catchment we want to put together. But that's really it. I want to be able to start fire. I want to have a great knife by my side, and I want to be able to filter water. Beyond that, you know, we could we can catch some game, we can ford for some food, we can do some fishing. All right, sounds good? Sounds good. Well let's go to another scenario. Now, Now you're in a Now you guys are in a group, that you're in an abandoned house, that you're in the outskirts of town. Instead of thirty days before, it might be a long term event, matter of fact, and you and you might not be the only people in your general general vicinities. Now, what do you think is going to be the major challenge to you? Some of the major challenges Highland are you there, I'm giving you a shot. All right, well the Highland or you are there? Okay, Well if you you want to, if you could type it, I'll just tell people, no, no, I need you to speak Highland or speak okay, all right, all right, well no problem. Well, well we'll come, we'll come back to you. Uh. Let's see who would be a good choice. Let's go to Uh, I just came to James. Let's go to cat Cat Okay, So what would be the biggest challenge? Challenge? Major challenge? People under stress? You know, it's one thing to plan for things, but when you when you're in the moment, you know, that's a whole different situation. And you can practice scenarios ahead of time, but it's not the same as when you're under stressed. Uh. An example, we had a house fire a couple of years ago, and we were living on the third floor of our house at that time. We since relocated to the first floor and I won't ever live upon a third floor again because I never ever want to ever have to look down and see all that smoke coming up those coming up that stairwell. But we've practiced this. This wasn't you know, something that you know, as a family we had just sort of like forgotten about. We practiced drills you know, for getting out of the house and gotten you know, the kids getting out of the house. And now my son, you know, he. Did just fine. He followed instructions, he did exactly what's supposed to do. My daughter was frozen at the top of the stairs and had to be carried out. So that's true. You know, you just felt response too. Yeah, So sometimes when something is so traumatic and something's going on at that moment, you know, people don't always respond the way you think that they will. And then when people are under stressed, now it's not just that event, but it's an ongoing thing, especially over the course of a whole year. You know, stress builds up over time. People's tempers get short. You know, if you get a rational food, your temper is going to get a little shorter, a little quicker. Possibly, people don't always think so clearly when they're under stressed. So people are going to need to have really good conflict resolution skills. People are going to be very self aware. Self awareness of when these things are kicking in would be great to have. And people who have some you know, really good Oh, the ability to diffuse the situation, I think would be pretty critical to have. You need somebody with a calm demeanor to be working with a group there, because I'll tell you you're going to have people that are under stress and just like you say, Kat and I'll tell you, tempers will flare. So you need somebody that can be a calming voice and there. I think you'd be good at that. Actually I think that, you know, I would do my best. I would do my all, right, highlander, let me hear your voice. I am back. I'm sorry about that. Praise the Lord. I am so glad to hear it. Now listen, okay, real quick, before we move on. Three items. Okay, the three items, okay, the three most valuable items. Here you know I did here mentioned before I lost connection. Go to a rifle. Now the rifle is good. Of course, you can run out of AMMO, so of course it's thirty days. You may or may not. Now I'm gonna first thing I'm gonna probably bring is a bow because with a bow. You can say game with it, and you can reuse the ammo. You know, if it depends on if you can destroy them, you can reuse the the arrows. So to me, a bow would be more valuable than a rifle. That's just me. I mean that other people may sing differently. Now you do say there's water. Of course, water could be good, it could be bad. So I'm want to bring some way to purify water. You know, either a type of filter system, you know, activated charcoal, you know, furznel n something to boil it. I mean, anything like that. And I'm one of the third thing I'm probably gonna have is some way to start fire, because if you don't have a way to start fire, you can't cook your meat, you can't be warm, you know, you can't ward off animals. I mean to me, those those three things are probably the things to keep you alive within those thirty days. There you go, all right, sounds good. Now now this question. Now you're now you're in an abandoned house, you're in the outskirts of town, people in the vicinity that are not part of your group. You have to be there, maybe long term, and what is the major challenge do you think staying alive ajor challenges. The major challenges I see, of course of food and water. That's the two biggest. You know, you're not gonna have a life about it. The next thing that I can see is basically medical needs, because we think, for granted, now, if we get cut of something, we can wash it off, put products out on it. You know, bandy or whatever. You're not gonna have that luxury. You know, something does happened. You know, a simple cut may lead to infection and may kill you. You know. To me, a medical type of background or medical supplies are gonna be key, and that's gonna be a huge challenge when you know this stuff is not really be available. Okay, okay, I think those are excellent choices. Good for you. Let's see who's got here. Let's go to ray, all right, Joe. I would say that with this scenario, the five of us in an abandoned house for about a year, I would say some of the biggest challenges would be, you know, who's going to take the lead. I'm prior military, you know, and I will check with each person find out what their capabilities are, what their strong you know, strong points are, what they I think you would want to do an inventory immediately and find out who's capable of doing what. But I would I would think the biggest challenge would be on the outskirts of a town is going to be outsiders. I think that's the biggest challenge. It's going to be a security type situation where you're going to have to make a lot of decisions, a lot of life and death decisions almost every day. Yep, I think I think that makes a lot of sense on it. You're actually very organized about this. I mean it sounds like you would have a plan of action for to put together a group. But James, you're into a community, uh, survival, and so tell us a little bit about what you think. Yeah, sure, I mean we're we're in a house, so I think what we're dealing ray kind of that goes exactly what I'm thinking, and that is I'm gonna play to the strengths of everyone. I'm gonna take a page from one of my favorite podcasters ever, which was Sam Kaufman over at the Human Path in Texas, the Survival School. He did a show here on Prepper Broadcasting called The Herbal Medic and at his school he has some he has created some really awesome, detailed sort of job titles that fit for these prepared communities, and. I just really like him. And when this question, When I read this question, I started thinking, you know, I started thinking, who were gonna have? Is the herbal medic? You know, we're gonna play to the strengths of people around us, And if anybody in that group's gonna take care of me, I want it to be Cat. Right, if I get sick, I want Cat to take care of me. When I think about security, and that's sort of a mindset, I think about Ray. He's got he's got previous military experience. I want a guy like him and handling things like that. I've got a lot of experience in fishing, a lot of experience in cooking. I was a chef for many years before I get into any of this. And they explain that there's a position or sort of a title in that survival community called the provider who does a lot of the hunting, a lot of the forging, a lot of the cooking, a lot of the preserving. So I feel like my skill set would probably fit in good there as far as as far as Highlander goes, I mean there's another one called the off grid engineer, you know, and it's a guy who's good with technology, good with tinkering that type of thing. And what I know about a Highlander, I feel like he'd be our guy. He'd be the guy who could put together our witter catchment systems. He'd be the guy who could put together maybe an aquaponic system out of scrap, you know. And then I think about Michael, and I say, well, Michael's the guy for the bartering system, right, we want to set up. We're going to have these people around us, so either we're gonna interact with them or're gonna kill them. That's our only option, right. Either we're gonna say, look, this is what we can do together. If you don't want to get on board, then it's gonna get ugly. That's the only option we have. So I feel like Michael could take the reins on some sort of some sort of either monetary system or some sort of umbartering system. And in that regard, I feel like we're taking care of everyone's strong suit. Right. We've got Kat with her medical experience, We've got me with my cooking and food experience. Highlander with his uh, you know that off grid engineer Michael with his economic experience, and Ray with his experience in the military concerning himself with security, setting up perimeters, that type of thing. So yeah, just like, just like Ray said, I'd play to the strengths of the people with me and we'd have success. Sounds great, it sounds it sounds like you another another organized person looks like this group as well on the way to success. How about how about you, Mike is are you okay with the role that James will signed you. Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna copy off everybody else answers. Yeah, No, I absolutely love the fact that, well we'll barter and if they don't, if I don't like it, I'll just kill them. Ay that works well, So the number. Getting dark really quickly. I like them, I like I like Mike already. Well, then clean in. You should come back next Friday, because it's gonna get a lot worse. So my number one, my number one thing is of course, defense of the house. If we're on the outskirts of the town, we're going to have the visitors. It will be crucial to maintain you know, a security watch or an observation post or a listening post. Another one is going to be adding new people to the group because we're gonna get visitors. But some of them are going to bring useful skills, so interviewing people, vetting them out. You know, some of them you have to say audios, some of you have to say, you know, hey, welcome to the club. And then third one, I think Ray hit on this really good is getting the group to understand that you know, while there will be one leader, we are a whole unit. You know, we're going to be a family, and it's going to be crucial not to form clicks or alliances. You know, this is not the survivor. You don't get voted off the island. We have to make this work. So, you know, skill sets, since everybody's throwing out skill sets, the ones that I would be really good at is communications intelligence gathering. I can basically hack into any form of two way radio communications and so I would be your your person to hear what the enemy is doing and you know, know what all the movements are around the around the house. So those are my three. All right, Highlander, you gotta you're gonna chime in on this a little bit. Yep that that brought it up a good uh scenario, And I see it a lot with groups, and you can see it now it's not just a SHTF type thing. You you'll have a group dynamic where you might have two alpha l's and they're not going to agree, and then you're gonna have resentment and people aren't gonna say, well, that person not leading right, this person not leading right. And I think the way to solve all that is with these group of pe people have a central vote for everything that happens in the group, and not just one leader. That's the way I would do things just personally, just to have a central vote and then everybody agrees on it and there's no resom and built up. Yeah. I think that that's really the That's really the complication, isn't it. You know, getting people to agree, people to agree on on even basic stuff like in other words, who's going to be weeding the gardens in the middle of the summer right right, who's going to be lugging the water from the local water source? You know, these these are these are tough. It seems simple that you know, it's it's a complicated thing. And and the sharing of duties. You know, some people feel that there just want to be the tactical people and just patrol the perimeter while other people are digging latrines. It's just not going to work that way. It's so, it's uh, it's it's tough. It's tough. So I think we already got I was going to ask what people's contributions to the group would be. It sounds like we're pretty hip on the contributions. Anybody else have a special skill they would like to mention, go ahead and blurt it out. Well, I I don't know that anyone's mentioned this, but eventually, over time, you're gonna have to replace your clothes. And I'm I'm sort of a fiber nut. I spin, I weave, I knit. I you know, it's you be very surprised at how much you're gonna be happy to have a nice new pair of sox. And you can make fibers from various plant materials. But if you if there's if there's a sheep anywhere nearby, I get you covered. There you go awesome, Right, that's well, I'm serious. I don't think I know, well, very good, very good that I think I think that's awesome. You know you're worth your weight in gold, absolutely if you If you can do that, well, you know, let's move on already at an hour. Wow, this has been really interesting. Let's switch gears for a second and let's discuss the situation in our countries. I mean, many people think we're going to heck in a handbasket. If you could make one change that could be implemented pretty quickly, could benefit our citizens, move us in the right direction. What do you think it would be? And I'm going to start with. You, Mike. Okay, well. I may make some people mad here, but I'm going to say term limits on Congress and actually punish people. If you're caught doing something bad, you're out and you get put back into general population and you get to become a regular citizen. No specials, no special healthcare, no tax breaks, nothing. Make people accountable for their actions and put the fear in them. You know, you work for us, dude. If you don't work for us and you don't do what we like, we toss you out and you become a regular smoke you know, Joe Schmoe that has to panhandle or whatever else. So that's what I say there. You go, Ray, I think you have an opinion on this. Absolutely. What I would want is I would want if I were the king for a day, I would repeal every law and every amendment, and I would take us back to what existed here in the United States during the administration of Andrew Jackson, and I would make sure that slavery was abolished. But pretty much, I want the Federal Reservact repealed. I want the sixteenth seventeenth Amendments repealed. I want all the taxes that we've been hit with. We have one hundred and sixty two taxes now that did not exist in eighteen ninety five. So I would want all that repealed, all the way back to Andrew Jackson's administration when he paid off the debt and he kicked the crap out of the Central Bank. Ah, well, well you know what, I think. That's pretty obviously you've been thinking about this a lot. Let's move on to let's move on to James. James, what do you think. Well, I've got a pretty radical idea, and I've been I've been I've been on it for a while now, maybe about three or four months. And uh, it's in the new book that I'm writing about neighborhoods and and neighborhood cohesion. I'm ready to be done with the presidency. I'm ready to just be done. I don't think I think we've outgrown a president. I think that we've we have completely outgrown a president. I look at my own state, like Virginia, and I say to myself, what does this state need? This state needs more representation? Right, I have Northern Virginia, Northern Virginia, Eastern Virginia, Southern virgin and Mountain Virginia might as well be four different countries. There is such diversity because the amount of population in those areas and the way they live and what they believe. And to me, I think it's time for more representatives, more voting, Right, so we vote more. Imagine a nation where we vote on things like war. Imagine a nation where we vote on things like healthcare. Everyone tells us we need health care? Do we need health care? Who said so? Do we get to vote on it? We have refugees pouring into the nation. Did we get to vote on it? We don't get to vote on the issues that matter. And that's the problem with the nation right now, and one of the big reasons is because we put all the eggs in the basket of one man. And for the last eight years it was Barack Obama, and now all of a sudden, it's Donald Trump. And how do you feel about that? We don't want any more kings, No more kings. The time has come that we, however, we have to restructure. Go ahead, my man, I'm sorry. Are do you still we accept the idea of having representatives like deaf House? I think we need more. I think we need more representatives because as the population grows, Joe, we have more people plugged into an area, and these states become chunked up and more diverse than ever. You know, if you know anything about Northern Virginia and Central Virginia, they could have a civil war in this state. They're so different. You know, you have a progressive liberal right around DC. Environment you go to Central Virginia, Man, there's rebel flags flying. It's a whole different world. And we get just these little few amount of representatives to go to Congress and speak for the whole state. So I think with the population, the time for the presidency has passed. Right. It's a popularity contest. It's a joke. In my opinion, and I think it's time for more representation and more voting. Vote every year, vote every two years, and vote on the things that matter. You want gun control, you want gun rights. You want to see how the people feel about marijuana. You want to see how they feel about medical uh, health care, things like that. Then we vote on it. That's all. And the votes are then taken to the representatives. The votes are then taken to the representatives, and the representatives then put together a team of experts. This is America. We have the greatest minds in the world. So the representatives build the elon Musks and the and they go and grab the experts, put them together, and they deal with the problems. You figure out the problem. And we don't need Donald Trump, we don't need Barack Obama, we don't need your we don't need them. We have brilliant people. We're not getting brilliant people to run for the president. Who the hell wants to do that job? Right, So that's what I would do, I'd say, I think that's what I would say. I'd say it's time for the guillotine for the presidency. In my opinion, Well, I think you have a good point and and you think about the people who not only live in counties or large areas, think about the people who live in states like California or or not Washington or Illinois that are or Maine or New York, who are never ever ever going to have their voices. Heard if there's anything other than ultra liberal never right, you've got You've got the northern Californians who are in love with the outdoors, in love with the mountains, in love with with with conservative values, and they don't have any say. And that's what goes on in that state of Hollywood. Right, Yep, you're absolutely right, Highlanders. What do you think? How can we think? You know, I agree exactly with James, because that's exactly what I was gonna say. The thing with it is you, I don't know. It's kind of hard to explain. You have a lot of people that vote for stuff that they really don't know what they're voting for. If if anybody ever remembers Jay Leno, how I love that show. He did a thing called Jaywalkings. You go ask normal people, normal questions and they just couldn't answer it. It was just like simple questions everybody should know, and they just don't answer the anybody ask stuff about elections. And you know if he asked the one person, you know, should they elect you know, a dead president and they said yes, you know, they were just like they were so out of touch with reality, it would just bottle my mind. And to me, this country was written for the people, by the people. That's kind of our motto, you know, but it seems like the people are simply not interested anymore. If you were to have a popular vote for stuff, it would get more people interested, more people, you know, they wouldn't complain because they had a vote. They would say so and what happens. You know, it's just like what James said, you know a lot of this stuff the president says, we have no choice no matter. If we had a popular vote, then stuff would change, you know, we would people be more interested. People would you know, come out of the show and actually get you know, interested in this, that and the other. I mean, but to me, I think a pot that the vote would definitely you know, be handy and you know what, ornot we have a president or not or you know, it should be held with a you know, dealt with a popular vote. That's just my opinion. There you go, Kat, what do you think about all this? Well, I think that I would like to see. I would like to see something like Switzerland has where they have such a level of readiness on an individual basis, and it's built into their new home construction and new apartment construction, new even like if you have like a retail location, it's built into it. There are survival shelters built into basements underneath all new buildings. They that are stocks and it's just part of what they do. Why would anyone ever bother invading Switzerland. Everybody's ready, like at a moment's notice to shelter in with supplies, and they've got you know, their firearms and ammunition. They're ready to go. But to that, I mean, I think in general, I would like to see instead of this sort of reliance on Oh, let's say FEMA is going to come in and save the day. Yeah, right, we've seen that in action. They're going to come in, They're going to save the day. We're waiting for help to come in from the outside. And sometimes I'm not gonna say it's never you know, necessary, but but we can't rely on that. And I think, you know, we've seen enough scenarios where you know, it's been shown we can't rely on that. And that's kind of why I like that the model that Switzerland has where regardless of where you are you could get to a shelter, you could and there are supplies all ready to go. But I'd like to take that and make that more of like even more sustainable than that. I think one area that that could be done with would be with food security, food production and bring that back to a local level, because what I mean, one of the big problems is what are you going to do when lots of people are hungry? But what if you know and I'll and I'll just state this upfront, I'm actually I'm more of a libertarian with heavy monarchist leanings. I don't like laws. I don't like them. I don't like regulations. I shouldn't they don't like laws. I don't like regulations. Don't regulate everything into oblivion. However, I would this I think would actually be beneficial if we shifted the focus of power from the central government to you know, state and local governments, and if we could use let's say, local parks or public lands that you know, are that that are doing what you know, I mean, parks are wonderful, and we need to we need to have recreational spaces. But what if we took a portion of each of them and converted them to food production, things that you know, thrive in, you know, in your local area. What if we had that as opposed to being dependent upon just a few locations within the United States. So let's say, and that that would be vulnerable to droughts in California or you know, you know, these these large monoculture farms, or you know in various you know, various places around the country are all very vulnerable to you know, there's a bad year in. That region, you know, and aase, yeah, or a disease in a particular crop, especially with monoculture. Yeah. And we're so reliant upon bringing food in from outside the country. I mean, I'm sorry, but like when I go to the grocery store to buy, you know, a couple of organic peppers and I see that they've been imported from Israel, I'm thinking, couldn't somebody in a greenhouse somewhere here have produced a couple of bell peppers for me? And I'm pretty sure someone could. With we're so we're so used cat to having bananas in Montana in January, that we've lost that local, you know, eat local uh attitude. However, if you go. To Europe, especially Germany, yes, every balance. Every single town, and it's not that everyone has a garden in. Their own back year yard. They have community gardens where they. Have potted for generations by the same families. Generations. Yeah, and they go and they'll go and they'll get their food from the local the local markets on a daily basis and so on. But it's it's locally produced. But if you have that, you have a lot of food security. And if people know that they're not going to be hungry, that's a huge you know that that's a huge stressor that's removed in a let's say, in an economic downturn, you know, I mean, that's that's one area that you not necessarily going to have to be so concerned about. It's a huge one. Like I was saying earlier, when you know, people at Walmart were freaking out because their ebt cards weren't working, you know, I mean that was just within a couple of hours. You know, it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal, you know, I mean if let's say for landscaping plants on public lands they were using food producing plants and that you know, and had this available or I don't know. I mean, if you've got a if you if you've got companies like I know a number of them in these industrial parks because I've I've been you know, I've been scouting them out there like this, I think this would be kind of a neat thing. They've got these big, big lawns that nobody's using, that are wasting water. I'm sure they're spraying chemicals on that. But what if if they if they stopped that, what if you know, the cities that they were in could give them a break on their property taxes for making a portion of that unused land available for food production. So those I think that would just relieve a whole lot of tension in bad situations to begin with, and we wouldn't see quite the quite I mean, there'd be violence. I'm not things there wouldn't be, but you you'd get rid of one huge cause of it, or at least mitigate a lot of it. If people were not you know, you know, wondering how am I going to feed my kid? Because I have to wonder if I got to wonder. Yeah, if I got to know, it's one thing, if it's where it was my meal coming from. But you know, if I got to wonder, how long going to keep my kid full? You know? And if my kid is going hungry, then I'm going to do whatever I got to do to get my kid fed. And a lot of people are going to be just like that. So if we could alleviate that portion of it, I think that would at least those good people. You know, you say, good people will do bad things when bad times come. That kind of thing. I think would probably be able to prevent some of that if that were the case. Absolutely, absolutely, Hey, you know, we believe that knowledge is power around here, and boy, we've been really treated to a lot of knowledge by our host tonight. But you know, a good survival library might also help you succeed when everything else fails. And what do you guys think would be the top three books that everybody should have on hand? Now, one book that you can't mention is too you cannot you cannot include a book called the Survival Medicine Handbook. The Essential Guy Who with Medical Health is not on the way now on Amazon shameless shameless plug, shameless plug. All right, now, so James, what would be the three books that you would want to have if you had to have only three books in your survival library? What would they be? Sure? Yeah? Uh, let me preface this with I am one of those guys who was excited about the latest things he's read. So the latest books, latest everything, one thing I always returned to. And since I'm not allowed to mention your book, I mentioned this one. I had a host on not long ago. His name is Ralph Leguardia, and he put together something called The Doomsday Book of Medicine. And it's a thousand word bible on just that right, And not only is it not only is it on medicine, not only is it on treating I like the way he's broken it up. He's broken it up kind of by body part. How do I treat the eye? How do I treat the lung? How do I treat the this? You know what I mean? It's it's and he also has a lot of alternative medicine in it as well. The Doomsday Book of Medicine would be one of my picks for sure. This is gonna sound like a shameless plug and whatever. I don't really care what you think. To be honest, I love the shape, I love the content. I love the size of Prepper Survival Navigation by g Man. I got the book from Ulysses Press. The size of the book is so per perf to throw in your bag, and the content is so great. I would say that would be one of my books for sure. Prepper Survival Navigation by Glenn Martin. It's out, get it, you know. That's that's I really like that book. I think that you take an SAS survival book and you look at it, and then you take Prepper Survival Navigation and you look at it and you see a lot of those things that you pull out of SAS, but you also get a more in depth navigation. And I think about what you're really gonna deal with in a survival situation if you make that incredible decision to bug out right, which is I always say that the nat Gio Show is one of the worst things that ever happened to Peppers ever. And because they play caterd the bug out so much, it was like a little broutine the family's day. They were bugging out, Grab the bags, run. But if you decide to really do that and to really face it. You're gonna be moving, You're not gonna be staying stagnant. And navigation is so huge and no one knows how to do it. Nobody, right. We have people who CAN'TMP and they camp all the time. They don't know how to navigate, they don't want to read a math, they don't want to use a compass, very important skill. The other one would be from my fellow Virginian, Tim mecwelsh Uh, the man he works for Outdoor Life. He's a great guy and he has a great book that's called How to Survive Anything. And what I like about this book is it's abridged. It's a bridged and it's scenario based, and there's things about the wilderness, there's things about urban survival. It's a it's it's a great snapshot of quick information on on basically how to survive anything. You know, it's not super detailed. Again, another great sized book. I think book size is something that you really have to consider because you may be leaving, you know, you may be running out, you may have to throw a book in a backpack. Uh, And this is one of those books. Also, How to Survive Anything by Tim macwelsh is another great book. Those would be my three. Prepper Survival, Navigation, the Doomsday Book of Medicine and how to Sufvive Anything by Tim mcwelsh. That would be my three. All right, so that's good to Highlander. What do you think? Well, James mentioned one of mine and I was gonna say to Doomsday Book of Medicine. He mentioned that, so we'll skip over that one now. The next one is also about Tim mcwelsh. It's called The Outdoor Life Hunting and Gathering Survival Manual. That's a great book for you know, if you just want to, you know, survive on plants and you need animals. I mean, it's a great book. I'd highly recommend it. The next one is if he might not me. You know, I do like security. I like being secure and the SAS Survival Handbook by John Welboman. That's a great book to have. You know, a lot of people are trying to lack on security. So I think that that's a great book to get. Okay, all right, sounds good. Ray, what do you think? Ray? There? Hello, let's go back? Oh Hello, can you hear me? There we go? There you go yep, all right, all right, I'm. Here, I'm here, okay, okay, Well you took away your your book, which was dirty dirty. That was dirty dirty. Cool. I would say my first book is going to be Field Manual twenty one Dash seventy six Dash one Survival Evasion Recovery. That's an Army Field Manual. Right, Army Field Manuel right. Second one would be eighteen eighty one Household Cyclopedia. That's my second. One third one one Acre Homestead, written by Sarah Simmons McDonald. I think I have read. I think I've heard about one acre. Yeah, I think I've gotten one Acre Homestead a magefeta family of four pretty well with that? I think was that the Family of Four book? Yes, And what I did was I took all the books and with the Kindle, you can email yourself a PDF file of your books. So I got your book, and I have these others and all the field manuals, and then I print out hard copies and I also have copies of them on thumb drives. All right, cool, sounds good, Highlander. You had a comment. Yep, it's kind of related to not but the promised to have a book with you is great. However, be coming from a technical background, I really love the nooks and I love the e If anybody knows what e ink is, it's a type of tablet that is only black and white and. It literally lasts. The battery will lasts like two months. Then he has to charge it, but it'll last that long, and you could put you know, dozens and dozens and dozens of books on it. I really recommend one of those for anybody that's going to be a prepper. There you go, Okay, Son, that's good advice. Mike, what do you think? I think everybody's copying my answers. I'm going to take my ball and go home. Everybody's cheating, so. Well. My number one was going to be something that you know, rhymes with room and bloom or something like that. But I'm going to choose uh where there is no dentist, where there is no doctor, and the Encyclopedia of Country Living, and I'm gonna go, yeah, I'm gonna go a step further and I'm gonna have the paperback and then I'm also gonna have the PDF, but I'm not going to put it on a kindle. I'm gonna put it. On a thumb drive and a CD ROM so that an EMP won't wipe it out. It might wipe out the computer that I'm going to run it on, but at least I got the CD in my arm bag in a Faara day cage buried out in Montana. You know those are my three sounds? Good cat? What do you think? It just takes her a second for her? No problem? All great books. I have all of them. Yeah, I was, I was talking. Someone muted me, so I that wasn't me. But anyway, I think that you're all have taken a lot of my recommendations. So all right, I've had to review. I've had to revise this several times just since people started talking. All right, So the first thing that I'm going to mention is a little bit of shameless self promotion. Is Prepper's Natural Medicine, which is my book, and this is a crash course in herbal medicine. And the purpose of this here is to give you skills in order. So it's not just okay, you can go out and you can locate the plants so you know what to do with it once you have it. This is not a plant id book. You would need something different for that. But it teaches you skills. It teaches you the therapeutic properties of fifty different herbs that can be grown pretty much anywhere in the US. And it's got a bunch of formulas to get you started and then you can certainly, you know, go from there. But if this is if I took my you know, everything that you need to know and condensed it into one place, that that that was my stab at that. After that, I'm going to take this in a little different direction here. If if I had to have, these are books that I would absolutely want to have. They're not necessarily easy to pack. They're kind of big, but that's, you know, it is what it is. The next one is stocking up three. This is like the Bible of food preservation. So if you don't want to like keep all that you know up in your head while you're I mean, because there's only so much like rams in your brain, you know, and you know you need to refer to things every once in a while. I mean, this covers everything from dehydrating to canning, to smoking to just about whatever any way that you could want to preserve food. So the next thing I'm going to go in a little different directions because I haven't heard anyone talk about it yet, and this may be in I think it's an important issue to bring up because something that's not going to stop during emergencies is people are still going to have babies and that's not going to stop because of an emergency or because of s HTF or the apocalypse or anything else. So I want to toss my hat in there for Birth Emergency Skills Training, a manual for out of hospital Midwives by Bonnie Groenberg. I mean, I've got there's I have so many other midwiffery books, but I mean we're specifically for this kind of a situation. That would probably be my my pick. All right, sounds good. Absolutely, well, you know you certainly have covered the medical field pre solidly with that medicine with Cat's books. Oh yeah. Another good men whiffery book is by Varney, although I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what that was my bible when. I was in my master's. Varney's Midwiffrey is still on Amazon. You can get it there. Oh good, Yeah, I still have my coffee. From when I was in fault. Well, let's see we're beginning to wind down, guys. I want to make sure that we get all the pearls of wisdom that we can from you guys. So I want you to give us one piece of advice to someone maybe new to prepping, new to self sustainability. If you had to give one piece, one pearl wisdom, one nugget from that nogna yours of knowledge, then what would that be, highlander? We're gonna start with you. I don't think I've started with you. Started you off with one of the questions. So let's start you off. All right. Well, here's the thing I'll see so many preppers get what I now. This is what I call it. I'll call it the Rambo syndrome. People are so confident that they're gonna go out and they're gonna be Rambo. They're gonna, you know, take care of people. They're gonna survive, they're gonna do this and that The biggest thing that I can probably recommen the people is do not get yourself over confident. And I see that so much. People just think, well, I got a year hold of food. I'm good, you know, I'm I'm get all my survival skills. I watch TV. I saw I'm good, you know, that's the biggest thing. Just don't be over confident. There you go, it sounds good, sounds good, James, What do you think? What what's that? What's that negative knowledge that you've got that you're going to share with the class. Well, I've got to beat the IEM liberty drum. That's what I have to do here. The negative knowledge that I'm going to tell you is that we have to start looking at the neighborhood. Your neighborhood, just like my neighborhood, just like every neighborhood in America. Unless you're you're one of these people who lives already on your survival retreat and your nearest neighbors two miles away, I can't help you. But for the for the vast majority of people who live in neighborhoods. Remember, despite the bumper sticker, despite whatever it is that you think they believe in or what you think they are. You think they're progressive, you think they're a liberal, you think they're a conservative, you think they're this or that, what they true truly are is your fellow band. What they truly are is an expert. Right, They're working in a job, they have hobbies, they have expertise. So for so long there was this idea that we can create this perfect prepper community. And it was like the NFL draft, right. I want the high level doctor. I want the guy who knows how to blacksmith. I want the guy who is a gun nut. I want the guy. It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. True unity in this nation is gonna come through our neighbors. It's gonna come through our communities. It's gonna come through community gardening in the neighborhood. It's gonna come through neighborhood watches in the neighborhood. It's gonna come through communicating with your neighbors on a regular basis. So my one nugget is get outside, talk to your neighbors. Don't tell them the world's coming to an end. Ask them about their kids, what's going on in their life, you know, show them that you care. Be a human being. John don ancient man. John Donn, in his meditation seventeen said, among many things that are quotable, he said, any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind. And that is the penultimate quote. Going forward in the twenty first century. Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind. So that's my nuggative information. That's what our goal should be, right, the preservation of mankind. I love it. What is the ultimate? We gave us the pen ultimate? What's the ultimate? Well? The ultimate is another quote that I really like, and it says what one can do, one must do, and that's more personal. Right. We cut our sorry very short, and I think what one can do, one must do. Let's ay, ray. What do you got to say? Is my mic oper? Yeah, if I hear you fin Okay? Sorry? Thanks Amy. Amy's got a bug in her shorts again. I really enjoying this show. You guys have all been so awesome. Yeah, this has been awesome. I'll tell you everybody is. I'll tell you a g man. You came up with a great idea. I would say to people that are new to the prepping community or survival community, I would say, do not try to do everything. Don't try to slay all the dragons at one time, because you can't, no one can. And also don't try to go by somebody else's video or somebody else's list, because everybody's needs are going to be unique. Your needs are going to be different than my needs. I live in an apartment, you live in a two thousand square foot house with ten acres. My needs are going to be totally different than yours. What I highly recommend is I highly recommend that people go to one of the LDS sites, Latter Day Saints. They're big on prepping and food storage and on the LDS site is a massive checklist. It is something that I believe everybody should have and it covers I mean, believe me, this checklist is massive. But don't get overwhelmed. You can do little things each week. You're gonna have to make some changes. You're gonna have to drop the subscription for thirteen ninety five to have NFL on demand, or you're gonna have to drop going to the bar and plunking down fifty hours, you know, to get drink. You're going to have to make changes because you have to look at physical assets and whatever you accumulate, and this is the most important. Whatever you accumulate will never lose value. It will appreciate in value. If you go to Sam's Club right now and you bought a twenty four pack of toilet papers, and you put it in your storage, and you took out that toilet paper next July. I guarantee you that that toilet paper that you take out of storage will cost less than if you had to go to the store and get it in July of twenty eighteen. And that's because of inflation. Prices aren't going up, darlings. The value of the dollar is being diminished. That's what's really going on. So don't take everything on at the same time. Do it in stages. There are out there people that will show you that. You know, you have to put things in order, yes, but there are certain orders that apply to different people. You know, you could go water. You need water. Everybody needs water. Water should be the number one thing. Food. You should have food. So you just gotta you just got to find what works for you because everybody's situation is totally different. Well said, Well said, cast your turn cast a Pearlo wisdom. So the one bit of advice that I would have, I well, I would resist the urge to just go out and spend your way into being prepared. On day one. You're going to buy stuff that you probably don't need and probably pay more than you really need to for it. And instead of doing that, I would probably focus on things like, oh, I don't know, getting a little bit more fit, getting ready to you know. I mean, if you people think, oh, I'm ready to bug out, I've got my maps, I'm going to go. If you ever walked it, how can you really walk it? You know? And the reason why I say that, right is because according to the CDC, one out of every two adults in the US has a chronic illness. So I'm just wondering, you know, can you actually do the things that you need to do? And if you can't, then I think you should probably try to get to a point where you can. The other thing that I would say, going along with spending your way into being prepared, I might another way to go around that might be to look into primitive skills because you may not be able to take your stuff with you if you have to leave, and at least then you can always recreate something. So I think save your money and you know, spend it intelligently. Once you've got more experience, and once you've got more knowledge and you can understand what your needs are as opposed to what someone else's needs are, and they put their checklists together and so on, and focus on those areas that are less cash intensive and more skills intensive. Good advice, cad Mike. Last, but not least, well, my advice to someone that's just getting into prepping or just getting into being preparedness is number one, don't put it off. And then number two is small steps are better than none. So don't feel overwhelmed by all the seasoned preppers and all the knowledge. A lot of us has been doing this for a long time. If you're a brand new to prepping, remember that you know something is better than nothing. So if you go to Walmart and let's say you went tonight and you bought a twenty pound bag of rice and forty pounds of beans along with five or six gallons of water, you're going to be ahead of more than about seventy percent of America. You throw in a case of Sterno so that you can heat it up, now you're probably ahead of eighty percent of the people. Anything is better than nothing. But don't get overwhelmed, don't feel intimidated. Just you know, start small. The old the old cliche is, you know, you move them out in one stone at a time, and that's the way you do prepping is when you go you buy one little thing here, then you buy one little thing there, and then all of a sudden you've got a lot of preps stored up. So that's my advice is don't put it off, and small steps are better than none. All right, And I absolutely absolutely agree with that. It's so overwhelming to try to do everything at once, and there's money involved too, so you know, slow and steady wins the race. Well, we have had a great time today. We're already over ninety minutes where we do want. However, all of our hosts, Oh wait, Jim, I wanted to let Jim, Jim, hey, you had another comment, Please forgive me go ahead and let me know what you got. Oh, no problem, and thanks so much for the extra time. I do appreciate it. I just wanted to mention one thing to this incredible chat room, well two things, the first being unbelievable showing unbelievable comments. As usual, I always remark on the chat room because I think we have some incredible people in the chat room. I want to bring up one point to the folks in the chatroom. What we've heard tonight is conversation. We've heard you know, one party asking a question, one party answering that question. And what I'd love from the chatroom is for you guys to call in more often and talk to us and bring your expertise. You know, we have a great audience here that doesn't come to the chatroom, and you guys have so much knowledge. I mean, I sit here every week and I read the things that you put in the chatroom. I go to the links that you put in the chatroom after the show's over, and I'm overwhelmed by the amount of knowledge in the chatroom. And I think all of the shows across the board would benefit if we had more of our regular folks call in and drop some of that knowledge on the listening base. But that's basically it. Thanks so much for that chatroom. You guys are these sort of the unsung heroes of the show. I know when I'm some nights when i'm tanking, I got I go to the chat room for inspiration, and I just wanted to thank you guys for showing up and encourage you. I know it's nerve wracking, it's a little scary. You know, you're on live radio, but give us a call from time to time and we can have conversations just like these, and you can you can you know, expel your great information onto the rest of the listening base. But that's all. I appreciate you giving me the extra time. Oh yeah, absolutely, Jeff. I just want to say that we we learn more from our readers, from our listeners, from our viewers than hey teach. I think that is one of the most amazing things that we've learned. We thought we had a lot to teach people. We find that we learn so much more than we teach. Uh. It's it's it's gratifying, and it's wonderful to have or the relationship that we have and that you're that you hosts out there have with your listening audience. Now, before we go, I want everybody to remind us all about your shows, what time the show goes on, the name of the show, if you have any products, We'll tell us about that real quick, and how people can follow or otherwise connect with you. I'm going to start with you, Kat, We'll start the way we started off the show. Okay, great, So you can find well. My show is RBAL Prepper Live, which airs live every Sunday evening seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific. You can also find me at rbalprepper dot com, where you can find online courses in herbal medicine. I have some sales going on on an rbal Burncare course, and I also have another verbal skills intensive coming out starting on August seventh, so you get some time to get in. That's like an eight week herbal boot camp. And I also have the Essentials of Verbal Practice that's also available on this There's gonna be more herbal courses coming. There's also urbal and preparedness articles there too, So please go check out rbal prepper dot com and check out my show on Sunday nights. Awesome Awesome Highlander. All right, guys, you can find me on the chat here. I'm usually logged in. I just have to say my name and it beats my computer, so I'll know. My show is Monday nights at nine pm Eastern time. You can listen to it and call it live. I love questions. I do survival and tech preps. So, like I said, anything with technology, there's survival wise weapons, I mean anything I have to do with survival. And when I call tech preps, I mean anything you know, computers to gadgets or whatever, so follow me there, you know in the chat room. You can also go to Facebook. I'm under tech Preps. You can follow me there and just you know, yell at me in the Prepper Broadcasting chat room. Or we can go to preppers and yell at me. I'm there, you know to say my name in my computer beech. So there we go and you can follow all. Right, fantastic, fantastic, Ray time for you. You could catch me on Tuesday nights at nine pm Eastern. I'm also spot filling on Thursday nights. I will have the one and only Doctor Bones and Nurse Amy with me next month. And I will also have Popeye from down the Rabbit Hole. He will be with me next month as well. So you could catch me Tuesday nights at nine pm Eastern. My Facebook is my name Ray Becker b E c K. I was just like the tennis player, Hey boris, where's my check? And you can also you can also catch my YouTube channel same thing. It's my name. So everybody's been great. I just want to thank everybody for being here tonight and especially other people in the chat room, and we're. Really looking forward to being on your show. Ray thank you so much for inviting us. James. All right, well, it's I Am Liberty Show. I Am Liberty Show is what you gotta search, It's what you gotta find. It's Iamlibertyshow dot com. It's I Am Liberty Show on Facebook. It's IM Liberty Show on Twitter. It's I Am Liberty Show on YouTube. I don't have a lot of YouTube, but there's some good stuff up. Well that's not true. So let me tell you a little nugget about I Am Liberty real quick. Right, let me tell you so we we do a weekly on Prepper Broadcasting, but we also do a weekly on LIBS and you know that's published by our own and all those shows are on YouTube. You can also get them at Imlibertyshow dot com. You can also get them through all the social media. So we do this show which runs about an hour. We do another show that runs about a half hour forty five minutes. I have a tendency to say we and I'm sitting here in my dining room completely alone, and that's kind of how it goes down. I'm sure many of you can can relate a friend. It's it's just you and the voices, right right. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Every once in a while a pit bull rolls in from upstairs. But yeah, so that's the show again. We the show is very The show can go on many directions, right, That's what you need to know about I Am Liberty. The show may say we're going to talk about how they can and preserve food, and we may talk about Muslim attacks for the whole show, and I can't help that. I'm always going to bring you what I'm into because I feel like that's the best experience for you. You know, I've listened to a lot of shows that have been a host reading off of a piece of paper and droning through it, and I think it's the most terrible thing in the world. So I'm always going to bring you what I'm into. It might not be exactly what the show topic is about, but I'm going to be passionate about I'm going to be into it, and that's what I like to do at the I Am Liberty Show. Again, there's other avenues that you can get us get us through again YouTube, know at IM Liberty Show, I Am Liberty Show at Facebook, and just know that what I'm about is about the neighborhood. I'm about we've got the time that the end of the world scenario has not hit yet. So let's do our best to strengthen these communities. And let's make sure that are we out No no, no, no, sorry said all right, like we were done. Pause, no, no, no. Strengthen these communities. I'm good at those, like dramatic pauses, I apologeze know, pregnant pauses. Strengthen these communities and make sure that when it all does go bad, because it's probably all going to go bad. We can't have prosperity forever. But when it does go bad, we don't look at our enemy, our neighbor as an enemy. Rather, right, we look at them as an ally. That's my main goal. All right. I have a book coming out in October. I'll talk to you guys about that when the time is there. It's all it's going to be all about this blueprint for gathering neighbors and creating these communities that are cohesive and fighting the real issues in the nation. All right. So I Amlibertyshow dot com and again I'm here Wednesdays, nine pm Eastern Standard time. We always have a good time. Thanks for putting this on Joe and Amy. You guys were great. This was an awesome idea. Something really special happened here tonight. You know, something very special for the preparedness community happens here tonight. I don't know if something like this has ever happened before, and I think we should do it more often. I agree one percent. Mike. Mike is going to be starting a show tell us about when it's gonna be and and what what what'd you call? What you called it? Yeah? Yeah, Michael Klein is also the man, by the way, man, I appreciate that. Yeah, The Reality Check with Michael Klein will be Setting Sail next Friday, August the fourth, at nine pm. Lord help us all for that one. I don't really have a lot of links. There's a Facebook. My link to my Facebook page is on my show page, and if anybody wants to get it, give me a holler. I do the computer security stuff. I also do communication security. I can teach you how to crack into encryption and break stuff and all kinds of fun things. My email address is Michael Klein at hotmail dot com. You can figure out how to spell it on my show page. Because the e and the A are reversed and a lot of people miss that. So that's how you can get a hold of me. And I look forward to hearing from all of y'all next Friday and chatting with everybody in the baden void of reality check. That's it. That's awesome. Best of luck, Mike with your news show. Hey, it has been an absolute pleasure to be with you guys tonight. You really have well. I just endowed our audience and and myself and my lovely wife with so much information. We really appreciate it and we're honored to have hosted this show tonight. I don't think this show had a title, did it. Well, we're just gonna call it awesome Prepper show, Awesome. Awesome Prepper. Let's say Community. Hour hour ever, that's right, that's right, And it's all because of you guys. You five hosts are just awesome. We are just really it's been a privilege to hang out with you guys for a while tonight. And I believe that we could have made the show about eight hours. I think you easily could have easily could have been just one last thing. Our podcast is called the Survival Medicine Hour. We have actually two podcasts, a Survival Medicine Hour here on Prepper Broadcasting Network. Prepper Broadcasting Network also has our Genesis Communications Network show American Survival Radio, Current Events, a little bit of politics. We'll watch out if you actually have an opinion, you may not have our opinion, So just depends on how interested you are in that. But definitely medical preparedness. Our Survival Medicine Hours been going on for several years now, we're almost at We're on show number three hundred and forty nine, almost three busts our third network now, yeah, third network. We have a few other ways. Yes, indeed, all right, well, thank you guys so much for coming on the show. And thank Glynn for putting Thank you Glenn. Yeah, thanks awesome idea, Glenn. You guys can all say thank you if you want. To, thank thank you. Everybody say thanks Glenn, Thanks heye, thank ye everybody, and thanks Joe and Amy. Good job man, thanks you great. Great job. Today's broadcast has come to you through the courtesy of the Prepper Broadcasting Network. See our hosts, show schedules, and archive programs. Have more at prepper broadcasting dot com. Thanks for listening.