Matter of Facts: Fudd Lore

Welcome back to the Matter Facts Podcast on the Prepper Broadcasting Network. We talk prepping guns and politics every week on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Go check out our content at mofpodcast.com on. Facebook or Instagram. You can support us via Patreon or by checking out our affiliate partners. I'm your host, Phil Ravele. Andrew and Nick are on the other side of the mic, and here's your show. Welcome back to Matter Facts Podcast. Phil's here, Nick's here. We have a topic to dispel FUD lore, if at all humanly possible. Many have tried, many have failed. It tends to be very persistent. The stubbornness of the FUD is well known. Well, not only that, but like the FUD is constantly indoctrinating new FUDs. Like FUD is not like an age range or anything like that. It's, I don't know, it's a subculture of subhuman. It's a way of life. It's a deliberate choice. It is definitely a deliberate choice. Yeah. Like, you have to go out of your way to be wrong as often as fuds are wrong. But to be fair to them, some of the things they say were true 70 years ago. Some of the things we will talk about in this show once we get past the admin work that you are trying to make. Me forget about.... Some of the things, there's a kernel of truth buried in that nugget of bullshit. But we'll get to that. We will get to that. If you'd like to become a patron, you should check the show description. There are links down there to become one of the sociopaths that provokes bad decisions, horrible financial spending habits. Occasionally, some fun and hilarity comes out of it. This is the perfect time to actually drop this in. We were recently having a discussion amongst the patrons, and one of those sociopaths, who's been kind of quiet for a while, suddenly popped his head out and said hi, and hilarity ensued. He introduced himself as Captain Taint. He did. 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Sometimes she gets a little disappointed. Disappointed? She does get disappointed. Disappointed is what I strive for. But to be fair, sometimes we push her pretty far. Mm-hmm. Anyway... You know what she signed up for? She married you. Weren't you and I having the conversation the other day about how... our wives really should have seen the signs that they were marrying autistic husbands. Cause like neither one of us was subtle. I didn't know until my wife pointed it out to me, how many autistic traits I have. Same, same. Turns out if you are reasonably competent in like early childhood education up through like middle school, they just kind of let you free base whatever problems you've got. And you just skate right on through and don't figure it out until your mid-30s. Yeah, I got chucked into the Gifted Talented program because apparently having an IQ 2 standard deviations above normal just makes you a nerd. Huh. Until they realize that you can be autistic and not a complete and total basket case, just a partial one. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they... I don't know that they were really aggressively testing for it. When I was a kid. It wasn't until like four or five years after. I think I was going through a really aggressive. That's that's cool. Gillian saying not disappointed. Question my sanity sometimes in life choices, but I wouldn't change a thing. I just roll my eyes most times. Laugh others. That's good. That is the mark of a wife who has given up trying to control her husband. I finally wore down. Look, you can't controlling controlling your spouse is not fun. You gotta let them go a little wild sometimes. A little. It makes life entertaining. Admin work. Admin work. If you'd like to buy merch for the vibes from the Southern Gals, that link is also in the show description. And if you'd like to prevent war crimes with Disaster Coffee, use code MOF, save a few percent, get your coffee in your cup. I actually had to relate to someone today that I started drinking coffee at age 8, and they seemed very alarmed by this. You know, you didn't start drinking coffee. You started self-medicating at eight. That's what we're going to call it now. I'll go with that. There you go. All right. So, to topic. And I'm trying to get to topic quickly because there's a lot here. So, the topic is FUD lore. FUD lore is that. Whole collection of mostly farm-related, although I'm sure you have FUDs in every... Every single hobby, subculture, whatever else. In ham radio, they're called. Well. Ham radios, like Elmer's, are kind of like your old hands that actually know a lot. But I do find you wind up with a couple. Of FUDs mixed in. You do, yeah. So you do get into FUD lore pretty much everywhere you go to some degree or the other. And some of it has a kernel of truth buried in that nugget of bullcrap. And that's why it's really hard to dispel, and that's why it's hard to totally discount a lot of it, because some of these things we'll get into, there's a little bit. Of truth to. Yeah, a little. Or at least there used to be. We'll just have to take them one at a time and see where we go. Oh, definitely. Starting with your personal favorite, revolvers never jam. So, revolvers, here's the deal. Revolvers are... are less likely to have induced malfunctions. True. Largely because, with semi-automatic firearms in general, the magazines are the number one source of malfunctions. They're a wear item. They're consumable. And number two malfunction in semi-automatic handguns is limp resting. Yes. Yes. Well, I think... Yeah, user error generally is a good other source for malfunctions. Your third source, common source of issues with semi-autos is not as prevalent today as it was when I think this really took root, when revolvers and semi-autos were still, you know, when semi-autos were trying to supplant revolvers, but initially ammunition was. Yeah, ammunition inconsistency is a real big issue, especially with older firearms. Primers weren't as reliable. Outers weren't as consistent, so your straight blowback or your delayed blowback firearms, they had more issues with feeding just due to the inconsistencies in the velocity of the slide or the velocity of the bolt. Yeah, and at least in a revolver, if you get the round into the cylinder, 99% chance it's going to go pop. And it's going to cycle. Unless your primer comes out. Unless your primer comes out, or unless that rim is just a little bit over thickness where it'll bind up when it finally gets to the top of the rotation. But with a semi-auto, you can get ammunition that will happily seat down in the magazine, but will 10 out of 10 tie up a gun quicker than hell the minute it tries to force feed into the chamber. Absolutely can. So there was a time when there might have been a little nugget. Of truth to this. The biggest issue that I have with the statement, and I've said this on the show before, is that when revolvers do jam or they do go down for a malfunction, they go down really, really hard. When a semi-auto goes down, it's usually like tap, rack, bang, drop new magazine in. Maybe take the magazine and whack it on your knee a couple times to make sure all the bullets seat against the back of the mag. But when a revolver goes down, it's like gunsmithing tools time. It can be. It can be. Especially if you have a... Well, I've seen this happen once. Have you ever had a revolver round fill a very, very light squib where it doesn't really fully make it into the barrel? Oh, and it's trapped between the cylinder and the barrel? I have not, but I've heard of it. I've seen it happen, especially with Nagant revolvers and surplus ammunition that's been dubiously stored yeah it's especially well because the nagant revolvers that the cylinder actually forces itself forward is forced forward during the trigger pull which is why they have such an atrocious trigger and it's one of the only revolvers you can suppress effectively. It's actually a pretty cool little system if it is not like horribly completely unnecessary provided of reasons. Brago brings up a good point the 1911 a1 was designed to fire ball ammo and hollow points would yield mixed to poor results yeah if the ammunition wasn't suitable for the firearm and they're gonna run into some issues and in. The very early days of nine millimeter luger like there was enough there's still enough variance in 9mm Luger brass that I wouldn't say it's as common now, but back 70, 80 years ago, it was not uncommon that you would get a 9mm handgun and it would not like certain kinds of ammunition. I have some Israeli surplus from the 1950s, 1960s. You cannot fire in a 9mm pistol. The primer is too hard. and it will not be set off by a striker-fired pistol. Yeah. So, like, I can kind of see it a little bit. When semi-autos were the new thing that was still being figured out, when there was a lot of hand-fitting involved in making them work, when ammunition was still less consistent than modern manufacturing allows, I understand the point, but... In 2026, anyone that says revolvers never jam should be slapped. Yeah. Look, the difference is the severity of the jams, the severity of the malfunctions. That's really what it comes down to. And this is, we're going to assume in malfunction, nothing in the firearm has broken. We kind of have to exclude any broken pieces of the firearm because any mechanical system can have parts failures. All right, next one around. You don't have to aim shotguns. Phil, remind me, what was your Beretta A300' s gripping the Federal Flight Control 8 pellet? I have never shot Flight Control 8 pellet through my gun. Oh, really? Okay. Have not. I have talked to people that have, and it is annoyingly tight. What I did was I found that crappy Winchester buckshot makes about a nine-inch circle at the longest distance across my entire house. So I don't want. Anything that's much tighter than that for inside the house for home defense. No, that makes sense. You want to take advantage of some of the spread of a shotgun, but for most... Home defense engagement range, as you're talking, at less than 10 yards. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think literally shooting across my entire house, like any further, and I'd be standing outside. I think it was 13 yards. Right. But that's literally... That's pretty long. That's the entire length. That's the entire length of my house. The longest length that you could get a straight line shot in my house, 5 yards. 15 feet. That's the longest distance. Federal Flight Control 8 pellet is still throwing a group, meh, about like that. Very, very tight. Inch and a half, probably two to two and a half inches. That is still a very much point of aim, point of impact group. You're not getting enough spread that aiming is not helpful. If you want to talk about sawed-off shotguns with birdshot, yes. You're going to get a colossal amount of spread, but the, I think it is one, the average home self-defense load or double lot load. I believe it's the common rule is one inch of spread per yard. That's about, that's about accurate. Yeah. So 10 yards, you got a 10 inch spread, five yards, you get a five inch spread. You still really do need to aim that. And especially if you get to something like a flight control. I think where this might come from and that kernel of truth in the nugget of BS, this might come actually from wing shooting. Because if you think about it, there is a lot of overlap between FUDs and people that only view firearms in the realm of hunting or sports shooting. I would love to see somebody wing shoot without ever aiming their shotgun. So I don't think it's that they don't. Aim necessarily i think the thing of it is is that they've they've a lot of shooters especially guys that shoot exclusively like clays trap and stuff like that they're aiming over the rib and they're doing it while leading the the the you know the target so i think that's where it comes from i feel maybe i feel like that's where it stems from is this idea that like well you're not going to aim a shotgun like you do a rifle you're kind of like throwing the load of lead out there for the thing to run into it. That's fair. That could be where that comes from. It could be, and it could also just be this idiotic, Hollywood-infused idea that you put one round of buckshot down the street and it hits everything from one side of the block to the next. Just stupid stuff. I think another large portion of it that is... more dismissible is because of the better quality of pellets that we have in our shotgun loads today, because the lead, the lead pellets we used to have were not necessarily that round. They weren't that even they were loose packed in, in the hall. They were, there is no, let's say wadding cups, holding them together for a little while after they exit the barrel. Little more asymmetric flight profiles. Even if they were 100% laboratory perfect when they were packed in the cup, the minute you hurl them down 18 to 24 inches of barrel, zero of them are still perfectly round. They've smacked into each other. They've smacked into the barrel. They've smacked into your choke. They've smacked into 20 different things and come out the other end. And they're all going to be a little wonky and they're not going to fly perfectly straight. Like that's just the way it works. But the only thing that really makes me twist my head about this when I try to be understanding of like maybe there's this kernel of truth to this is slugs. People have been shooting slugs even in sports shooting for a whole lot longer than most people would consider them in tactical applications. And you had. Better aim a slug Because it's like a 300-something grain bullet. It goes in a straight line. I just, I don't... Well, it goes in a parabolic arc. You know what I'm saying. You had better aim the stupid thing or you're not going to hit what you're trying to hit. That's fair, yeah. No, you're right. I mean, it's... Some of it is probably Hollywood mythology. Some of it is probably a little bit of leftover from bad ammunition, again. Some of it's a little leftover from cut-down coach guns. Look, if you've got a six-inch barrel on your shotgun, you're going to get a hell of a spread. So is this the place, since we're talking about how this might be Hollywood, that we add that suppressors make your gun like Hollywood quiet? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've not. Even the well rod, which was one of the quieter firearms ever developed, at least for its time, it's not movie quiet. I mean, when we were up in Kentucky, bud, we had a lot. a lot of suppressors on those lines. And most people, well, those was that we're doing without hearing protection. It was because our hearings pretty much shot already. So like nothing left to harm, but we made sure the kids had hearing protection at least. Well, you know, the, I will say the 22 caliber 22 LR subs pellet gun, quiet pellet gun, quiet Daisy red rider, quiet. you know, not a big deal. You know, you wouldn't necessarily hear it outside if you're shooting it in the house. Yes. But the idea is still a gun going off and you could, you could tell it was a firearm going off. Yes. But my issue is that the Hollywood portrayal of like the person who's sitting here hiding his, his like suppressed handgun behind a newspaper and he zapped somebody and no one around them realized there's a guns being fired. It's like, guys, it doesn't work. Like, Especially in a semi-auto, it doesn't work like that. If that is your perception of how that works, I immediately discount all of your firearms experience after that. Because you've just proven to me that you don't know what you're talking about. I have wanted to for a while, I can't because my state is stupid and gay, build a. 45 ACP single shot, integrally suppressed firearm. just to see how quiet I could get like some 200 grain hollow points. If your state wasn't stupid and gay, you could make a. Liberator with a, you could 3d print a plastic liberator and. Then 3d with a plastic suppressor. You're thinking about now, aren't you? Yeah, I know. I've, I've thought about it before. This is not the first time this thought has come up, but no, I mean, I have, I am in the middle of fully equipping myself with a, with a very serious home machine shop. And, I know that I could, I think that I could achieve almost movie quiet with 45 ACP subs in an integrally suppressed bolt action pistol or rifle-ish. But I can't because Illinois. Yes. Also, to Raggle, point about how 22 lr and 300 blackout subs are stupid quiet they are only stupid quiet when your baseline is non-suppressed supersonic 22. And 300 blackout Like, I guess my point is, like, are they stupid quiet? Yes. Are they giggle quiet? They're a gun, yeah. Are they giggle quiet? They can be, but they're not Hollywood quiet. Anybody that says they are is just wrong. Really, really wrong. All right. I swear to Christ, if I hear one more FUD... Just one more. Why do you need a gun that holds more than six rounds? One round will do. Five rounds, six rounds, seven rounds, eight rounds, ten rounds, fifteen rounds. It doesn't matter. This idea that the pinnacle of firearms ownership is to have a single shot falling block weapon. Because you only need one round. If you need more than one round, you're really not. a good faithful proper gun owner is just the most idiotic stupid nonsense on earth it has no basis in reality it completely obfuscates any any application of firearms that is not immediately sporting use like if you have a couple like if you have three or four rounds in the belly of a bolt action because you're going to hunt deer with it or if you have to have a limited magazine capacity because you're shooting birds with it or if you just are some doddering old jack heck ass who is just cannot accept the fact that modern firearms have larger magazines it's a stupid argument. The worst part about it is is the people that i see as the greatest proponents of this. Really need that volume by accuracy don't they they do they really need that volume by accuracy because i've seen this exact guy up at the line for a deer rifle sight in He's got to go through 10 or 15 rounds to get a three shot group that he thinks is acceptable. Out of his bolt action from a rest at a cement bench. I am forced to tell on myself. Me and my brother-in-law went to the right range with his new bolt action a year or so ago. It took us 20 rounds to get sighted in. I'm disappointed in you. But there's a story here that partially redeems. The two of us. Were the scope rings not tight? Don't beat me to the punchline. Oh, I got it, didn't I? No, you didn't. So he had a very large backyard, and he took what he was pretty sure was a known distance, approximately 50 yards. He put a bore sight into the rifle, and he tweaked the scope to get it pretty close. Yeah. Okay, there's merit to that. It'll get you on paper, yes. Unfortunately, he told me this, and I was like, so you're sure you're pretty close? He said, yeah, and that was my first mistake. We put up a couple of 8-inch targets at 100 yards. And these couple 8-inch targets were on basically a torso-sized target, and we could not see where we were making holes. That's not good. We still don't know where the rounds were going, except thankfully hitting the berm behind the target. But we couldn't even see. We weren't hitting the man-sized target that the little targets were hung on. So after we burned through a handful of rounds, he's like, well, I think I'm shooting off the right. I'm like, okay, well, we put like six minutes and, you know, left into the stupid thing. Still can't freaking hit the broad side of a barn. After about 12. Rounds, I told him like, okay, I'm done playing with this. We're going to stop shooting until the range goes cold. We can pull that target into 50 yards. We're going to mechanically re-zero the scope. So we went all the way left and down. And then all the way up and right, counted the clicks, divided them in half, went that many back down, so we were mechanically at the center line. We put the target at 50 yards, one shot, and we're on paper. Good. Four shots, and we were dead on at 50 yards. Good. Yeah. I still want to know where in the hell his poor sight had those rounds going, because it was egregious. I. Was it one of the magnets onto the front of the barrel bore sights? No, it was one of the stem down the barrel. That's not good. I don't know. Bad fit. Who knows? If you're ever out there trying to sight in a bolt-action rifle and you're not quite sure what's going on, you can always take the bolt out, put it in your rest, stare down the barrel from the chamber end, Get that on the target and then move your crosshairs over to on the target and fire one round. You will be on paper. You will be on paper. You'll definitely be close. Usually you'll be within like six or eight inches. It's not bad. Yeah. Needless to say, I was highly agitated. But yeah, this whole argument of you only need so many rounds, I see almost exclusively proffered by people who don't shoot. don't shoot near enough, or couldn't hit the ground with their hat in three tries. Yeah. Yeah, that is pretty true. And then the second most annoying thing I hear FUD say, snubbies for new shooters and women. Or subcompact 9mm. I would almost be a little tiny bit more forgiving about a subcompact versus a snub nose like a J-Frame or like a Ruger LCR, only because at least then you're dealing with a semi-automatic, and at least then... you can drop out that little low-capacity magazine and smack in a new one. Hell, some of the subcompacts do, like the Sig P365s, have shockingly high magazine capacity for such a small firearm. It's not so much the magazine capacity that I have issue with. I know, but I was just saying, that compared to a five-shot J-frame, that there. Are some saving graces here. There is some saving graces there. The problem you still have is the new shooter slash women... being recommended smaller, lighter firearms that are going to be more difficult to shoot, harsher recoiling, and more difficult to aim due to the limited sight picture. KD5, PCK, you're late. Who brought beer? Hopefully you did. Whiskey. Coffee. But I have to go pick up a teenager from a friend's house later this evening, so there'll be no drinking anything higher octane than disaster coffee for me. That's very valid. I'm going to be driving a bed later. I will, too, but probably after you. Yes. Anyway, but no, I like it. And so I feel like I have to explain this for the for like the one person, the audience that doesn't understand why smaller firearms are more difficult to shoot. So let's consider for a moment that a handgun, a semi-automatic handgun is a tiny little physics lesson. Mm hmm. Force goes that way, that's bullet. Opposing force goes that way, equal and opposite reaction, so on and so forth. And if you don't want the slide to come off the back of the frame and embed itself in the shooter's forehead, you have to decelerate the slide to a reasonable level when it stops so it doesn't shear the friggin', you know, the top of the frame off. And the longer the slide is, the more travel it has to do that, which means you don't need as aggressive of a spring, you don't need as... You don't get as aggressive of a smack when it hits the end of travel. Everything can be done in a little bit more of a progressive manner. Think about the difference between if you're driving a car and you drive into sand. The car starts slowing down pretty quickly, right? Friction and everything else. Now imagine you hit a wall and you stop suddenly. It's a lot more violent because you stop in your crumple zone versus in like 30 or 40 yards of sand. Making a semi-automatic firearm a subcompact and then taking that amount of force in that short of a span, it makes for a gun that recoils much more sharply. And if we're talking about a revolver, then you have to acknowledge the fact that, like, With a revolver, your weight of the firearm comes from two principal places. One is the thickness of the cylinder, because if you've ever taken a revolver apart, the cylinder is a chunky piece. And the other thing is the barrel. So even if you have, like, the difference between, say, a 6-inch GP100 and, like, my 4 1⁄4-inch is a substantial amount of weight because you're chopping that much off the barrel. By the time you get down to something like my aluminum frame J-frame, my 6.42 air weight, It's an 11-ounce gun shooting. Plus P38 special. Yep. It's not a fun freaking gun to shoot. I limit myself on range days with that thing to like 40 rounds. I believe it. Because after that, I have a flinch. I shoot. 37s out of my GP100 until my eyeballs. Are rattling in my head. That's fine. But that little J-frame, it hits. Yeah. It's not a fun thing to shoot. So the idea that you would take a novice shooter, especially a beginner shooter, and you give them a firearm that is already more difficult to shoot, something that has a shorter sight radius, Christ forbid a five-shot J-frame where now you're taking away the one thing that semi-auto has over the revolver being the ability to quickly reload. And now you're trying to teach a person how to reload five rounds into a little bitty cylinder under pressure. It's just the dumbest thing on earth. And there's that one foot out there who's going to say, well, FBI statistics and you only need so many rounds like we just got through talking about. But why would you take a new shooter who's more likely to miss and you would give them less rounds and a harder gun to shoot? Well, I can think of one reason and one very valid reason. And I brought this up before for the times I recommend revolvers. And it's a very limited instance. It's an edge case. A person with a disability or that does not have the dexterity or strength to run a slide on a semi-auto. In which case, I would recommend a 4-inch like GP100 or something similar. I would give you a physical infirmity. Yeah, physical infirmity is the only time when I would recommend that, and it still would not be a snub nose. But I still won't give ground on the whole strength issue because my wife used to have difficulty running the slide on a semi-auto until I taught her. The correct way to do it. Oh, absolutely. She gave that slide moving every single time. But there are individuals out there that their offhand does not have the strength to do it. Injury, arthritis... Again. These people exist. If we're talking about fiscal infirmity, I will give you ground on that. But if we're just talking about a lack of strength, okay, get a racquetball racket or get a racquetball and just do this until you build up grip strength. Or better yet. It is easy. Just start racking the slide. Yeah. Practice. Rack the slide until your hands are off. You'll figure it out. Yeah. But I will happily say. Whether we're talking about a tiny little semi-auto or a tiny little revolver, that is the wrong freaking gun to give to a new shooter. I actually coach people all the time that if you're not concealed carrying a gun, it being small should not be any. Criteria for what gun you choose. Agreed. It's counterproductive, first of all. But if I had to give a gun to a person who was just going to use it for a home defense gun, I'd give them something like my CZPO9. Full size, 20 round mag. Yeah, big old gun, four and a half pounds, big old light, 21-hour magazine. Like, it looks like a RoboCop gun in small hands, but that's frankly what you want if you're talking about a home defense gun, because it doesn't have to be a teeny tiny little thing. But the longer sight radius, the chunkier slide, the... lighter recoil spring, because again, you don't have to decelerate the slide as quickly. All those things add up to a gun that's just so much easier to handle. And even if you are a person with smaller hands, it is easier to get a biomechanically proper grip on a pistol that is larger frame. Yep. And if you are just dead set, you are not going to commit to semi-autos, that's fine. Go get a freaking Ruger GP100 or go. Get a freaking... Well, not anymore. Or like a. Smith 686 or something. Go get a full-size revolver chambered in. 357 Magnum. Minimum 4-inch barrel. Minimum 4-inch and put. 38 Special Plus piece in it. Yep. I'm going to tell you right now, the hottest. 38 Special out there coming out of a frigging heavy. 357 Magnum revolver is going to feel like a pipsqueak round from personal experience. It'll be very enjoyable to shoot. It'll be very enjoyable. And if you enjoy it, you're more likely to do it more and thereby be better. I will tell you that I have... Unless you're a masochist like me. Yeah. My 38 specials out of my 37 do, they feel like a 22. Oh, yeah. It's a blast. All right. Can we please, this one time, completely and totally dispel the myth that 223 Remington is overpowered? It is so overpowered that literally multiple generations of Army soldiers have bitched until they had no teeth about how underpowered it was and about how you had to shoot an SOB five or six times to get them to go down. To the point where. Multiple operators actually believe that 7.62x39 that was fired at the AK and the SKS in Vietnam was the better round. and made consistent jokes about how our own politicians implemented the 223 and the AR-15, specifically torpedoes, in the Vietnam War. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that joke did exist, and that wasn't why the war got torpedoed. It was because there was no actual war aims that were functionally winnable. Yes, yes, I know. But the point is... But look, the 223 is a fine round. It works really good for two reasons. One, you can carry a shitload of those things. And number two, the recoil is extraordinarily manageable even on full auto. And military technology, history, and doctrine has proven over and over and over and over that there are things that matter much more than the ultimate one-shot lethality of a specific round. Look, the force that runs out of ammunition first loses. And As much as I would love to be the one to sit here and say, Oh, Nick, my plate carrier back here has like 20 friggin' magazines in it. I can tell you that 20 magazines worth of ammunition is fucking heavy to have on your chest. It is. Try to carry that same number of rounds of. 30- 06. Or. 308. Right. You're talking about more than double the weight. Yeah. It.... I'm not taking the position on 223 Remington or 556 NATO as, like, it's the wrong round for the military or this or the other, but I think I really grit my teeth at this idea that, like, it is such this hyper-speed, super over-penetrating, crazy round that, like, civilians should have no access to it. It's only for the military, and yet the military's been arguing for years we should go back to full-power rounds. I can understand why they do, because especially when you get into like conflicts in the Middle East where you're not dealing with drywall and brick, you're dealing with foot thick mud walls where you're not getting penetration with a five, five, six or just not. Or when we were in Afghanistan and we suddenly went from, you know, street to street, house to house engagements to shooting from hilltop to hilltop. Four or five, 600 meters away. the round gets anemic at that range. It really does. There's not enough mass to carry the energy to really do what it's supposed to do. That round lives and dies by velocity. It really does. 5.56, 2.23, all the. 22 caliber rounds, they live and die by velocity. As soon as they lose that velocity, they're done. And I mean, this is the whole reason why MA55 gave way to SS109, gave way to MA55A1, gave way to Mark 262 Mod 1, like, we've been, within this one cartridge, we have been, we, the military has been trying to push lethality, range, and all these other things further and further and further in this one cartridge family. Terminal effects on armor. Yeah. For years. And they've made pretty good strides. We have. It's impressive. But again, if this was such a crazy, overpowered round that civilians should have had access to it, then why all the effort expended in the last 50 years? Exactly. Look, any common hunting cartridge, typically higher power than a 5.56, 2.23. I want to say when I ran the ballistic math on my hand loads, my. 308 has like two and a half times the muzzle energy of my 5.56. Now, and the reason why I say most hunting and sporting loads, because the. 22 Hornet technically has less. And that is a very valid varmint round. Or the. 22 Lightning, or the. 22, what is it, TCM? Yeah. So, look, it's an intermediate cartridge that's acceptably lethal and acceptably powerful. And you can carry enough of them in an acceptable weight volume. And in the context of civilian shooters, it is... Affordable, it is plentiful, it is available, it is low-recoiling, it is an excellent training round, it is an excellent defensive round. For all the same reasons why the military has had such a hard time getting rid of it and the reason why almost every police force in the United States of America has issued truck guns to their people with this round, there's so many good reasons why it exists and it's prevalent out there. It hits the good enough spectrum. Yes. Would I rather have 30 rounds of 30-06? Yes. In a BAR, on a bipod, behind the scenes. sandbags. Except if you have to carry it for 10 miles. Exactly. Fixed position, full power rifle cartridges, go forth and do belt-fed things. Yeah. You're not going to run around with that. Not really. And not carrying a lot of ammo. I think, what was the... The BAR loadout was like 6 mags? 7 mags? And they were 10-round or 15-round magazines? I want to say 15, but I'm not a World War I, World War II expert. I know they made 10s and I know they made 15s. I don't know which one was standard, but six, seven mags, 30 rounds versus six or seven mags, 10 to 15. A lot more available rounds to use. Well, especially because military doctrine, when it gets data-driven, has proven over and over and over that to increase your hit probability, you increase the number of rounds fired. Yep. That's the way it works. Accuracy through volume. Accuracy through volume, especially given a lot of the conflicts we've operated in since World War II. Yep. All right, so let's talk about the other side of that whole 223 Remington is overpowered because the same mouth-breathing moron that proffers that is going to say AR-15 is a weapon of war. Nope. Just nope. The M16, the M4, not the AR-15. Done. Covered. Okay, can I be the contrarian, go the opposite direction? Sure. Sure. Yes, it is a weapon of war in the same way that a Beretta M9 is, and a 1911 is, and every friggin' bolt-action based off of a Mauser is, and an Enfield is, and the CZ. Scorpion that has been very popular for a. Lot of years, and the Brown Vest Musket, the BRN-180, and like, you know, like Barrett M82s, 1911, yeah, like, okay, if we're going to say it's a weapon of war, then damn near everything is a weapon of war, because almost everything is or is related to a firearm that was actively used in a conflict in the last hundred years. So, I don't like going down the road of trying to split hairs on it's not an M16, it's not an M4, because if we're being honest with each other, it's functionally similar, but so is every other damn. Thing on Earth. That's another one I hate, but it's an assault weapon. Every weapon is an assault weapon if you're using it in an assault. Yes. Everything is an assault weapon if used in assault, and the only things that are assault rifles are things that are select fire, which are extraordinarily uncommon and highly regulated. Thank you, Gun Control Act. Which we really need to get rid of that. I mean. Mail Order Thompson's just tickles my heart in a way that is adorable and I need to have happen. Yes, Rachel, I know you just had to, and that's why I'm ranting with a smile on my face instead of, like, spitting angrily, because I know you're just doing it to needle us. Oh, yes. She's just doing it because she knows. But that's the thing that frustrates me about going down this road of, like, something is a weapon of war. It's like, okay, but, like, I mean, pump-action shotguns are a weapon of war if we're going to go that direction. If you look at the Ukraine war, they're using coach guns, like, I can go into almost any gun owner's collection. They're using side-by-sides and over-and-unders a lot, too, which makes sense for shooting drones. But that's my point. I can go into almost any gun owner's collection. The funniest, the least tactical, the most old-fashioned, and I can find something in your collection and point to it and point to a history book and say, this is also a weapon of war by your definition. Yep. Yeah, you absolutely can. And don't that's different me because that's friggin stupid and dishonest and bullshit. Oh, it absolutely is dishonest. And it's it's. It's meant to be a shut up, go away talking point. Yes, which is why I prefer my version of the shut up, go away talking point, which is to info dump facts on them and make. Them feel stupid. Yeah, that's always nice. Well, I don't it's not nice. It's the opposite of nice, but it's the way I'm going to be from. It feels nice. It feels fantastic. I can make somebody feel two inches tall by peppering them with facts and wrap myself up like I'm in a warm blanket and sleep like a baby afterwards. I keep a binder of reasons why gun control doesn't work. I've heard about your binder. It's a great binder. It's stout. It's stout. Do not roll up to me and ask me for sources for my argument, I will collate them. I will. And I will bring them to you in print. What were we saying earlier about how our wives should have known we were autistic because we were not subtle at all? Exactly. Exactly. I will bring you printed out and notarized sources for why you're wrong. You know, this reminds me when my daughter wanted to start taking guitar lessons, she made us a slideshow. I love your daughter. That's fantastic. A slideshow of reasons for her to take guitar lessons. Sold. Yes. You made the slideshow, you get the lessons. Oh, and she went into the whole, like, it helps, like, guitar players are so much less likely to develop dementia in their old age. Like, it's good for hand-eye coordination, dexterity. Like, she committed to this. Fantastic. As soon as she told me she made a. Slideshow, I'd already decided she was getting a damn guitar. Yeah. You are committed. Sold. Yes. This level of neurodivergent commitment is impressive to me. Oh yeah. Danny's going to buy you a guitar. Alright. Loaded magazines wear out springs. This one I have to give them some credit. There is a nugget. There's a kernel. Metallurgically speaking. Okay. Okay. Phil, are you familiar with the change in spring technology that occurred from World War I to World War II? A bit. Okay, so prior to the 1930s-ish, most springs were made out of carbon steel. Heat-treated carbon steel. Most springs today are made out of Spring steel or like a chromoly steel. It's a different alloy entirely. Completely different alloy. There's now a wide variety of spring steels that are made in such a way that their alloy structure does not suffer from loss of functionality due to fixed compression. All springs wear out from either fixed compression or cycling. So full compression to extension back to compression is considered a cycle. Or in the case of certain different applications, uncompressed to compressed and back uncompressed. Yeah. Which is your magazine. Now, back in the day, before the more modern spring steels came around, because we didn't have the metallurgical knowledge quite yet, springs would suffer from what's called compression fatigue. So if it stayed in the compressed state too long, it would start to take a set at that compression. Just due to the structure of the steel and the heat treat and the materials. That is no longer the case. And has not been since our parents were born. In most Western countries, especially in firearm springs, since World War II-ish. It's a good break over point. If you have... Oh, my Savage... 10 shot 1903. The original magazine from that firearm never stays loaded because it is an original carbon steel spring. It will take a set. It has taken a set. In fact, if you put one round in that magazine and tip it on its side, the round will slide right out. Two rounds. It's fine. But it has taken a set. That is a spring technology issue that no longer exists. Unless you have a... If your gun is pre-1930s, research and find out what kind of magazine springs and what kind of springs are behind your firing pin or any other component in that firearm. That's fair. I was also going to say that the one place this can apply, it's not your magazine springs. It's your feet lips. Um... Da-da-da-da-da. Wait a second. Yep. CZ Scorpions have all polymer mags, including the feed lips. That is a fatiguing material. And they are known for developing cracks around the front and the back of the feed lips. That is a documented thing with CZ mags, and it's not unique to CZ polymer mags, but it is a documented problem with all polymer magazines. It's less prevalent in metal magazines. But I don't know that I would go so far as to say metal magazines are completely immune from it. I will tell you this. The PSI required to cause a fatigue failure in, say, like an aluminum Stanag or AR-15 pattern magazine is far higher than the pressure exerted by the bullets and the spring in that magazine fully loaded. Yeah. Especially given the ribbing and the rolling of the aluminum. If it is properly manufactured. And that's perfectly fair. That's reasonable. I was just going to say that there is an edge case that this, not the magazine springs, but the feed lifts themselves can become suspect. I actually have a handful of CZ magazines, and I have Magpul mags, factory CZ mags, and I have the mags that were manufactured by Manticore, where it's like a polymer body and then a metal tower, kind of like Lancer's. Yeah. I've got a mix of all. I haven't shot that far enough to see cracks in the feed lips. Although it does seem like it was more common in the earlier CZ Scorpion Mags. The later ones getting towards the 3 Plus didn't seem to have the same issues. But they did make a material change as well. They did make a material change. And I want to say... It's escaping me right this minute. There's something in the design, too, that's slightly different. They did add a little more material around those feet lips as well. That might be it. You ever been to a three-gun match or a class fill where people have got a PMAG sitting out in the hot sun for a few hours? Every once in a while, what can happen is if you've got a fully loaded PMAG sitting out in the hot sun, one of the black mags, All of a sudden, it'll get just warm enough that plastic weakens, and it'll just spray cartridges out the front of the magazine all over the floor. That sounds fairly entertaining if it's not your magazine. Oh, it's hilarious to watch, and it sounds really funny, but it's a polymer mag issue that can occur. I've never seen an aluminum mag do that. I've never seen a steel mag do that. Plastic is a fatigue-failing material. So is aluminum, by the way. Aluminum is a fatigue-failing material. So what that means is repeated stress below the threshold that would cause a material deformation and failure will eventually cause a failure due to repeated stress. Wood does not do that. Steel does not do that. Aluminum does. Plastics absolutely do way sooner than aluminum. Titanium, believe it or not, does that as well. Just a different rate and a different percentage. This is also the reason why my next firearm purchase is actually not going to be anything cool. It's going to be another pack of S-TACs and some more 20-round AR mags and some more 30-round AR mags. And all those are going... just like into a sack in the friggin' safe. Not even to get taken out or loaded. Those are literally just to. Be the backup to the, I don't know, 30 or 40 AR magazines that I have laying around. I don't count them because I don't honestly know how many I have. Look, if you own an AR and you can't fill a duffel bag full of miscellaneous magazines, you're wrong and you should feel bad. I mean, I can't fill a duffel bag. But I don't rightfully know how many I have. I know I have like I know I have a stack back there. I have a stack in the safe. I have some on this plate carrier. I have magazines in like three or four kits. My problem is like all my magazines are spread out. Like you and I have had this conversation. It's like medical equipment. How many tourniquets do you have? I don't freaking know. I got a tourniquet in every freaking bag that I have that's set up for medical equipment. I would have to go find all of them and pull them all out to answer that question. Or I'd rather just say, If I grab a bag that has Red Cross on it, it has a turnkey inside of it because I put it there. Oh, absolutely. You know, Phil, you were talking about magazine spring failures. Remember we were talking about before we started the show how I would really love to do a 75,000 round review on one of my firearms, but it had to leave the state due to the fact that my state is dumb and gay. Yes. And we were discussing how many original parts are still on that firearm. The frame? And the takedown lever. There's only two original parts on that pistol. 75,000 rounds it's coming up on. I think it's at 73,000 right now-ish. I have to check my logbook. But do you want to know how many of its original magazines I still have of the three that came with it? Now, I bought a lot more than that. But of the three that came with it, do you know how many of the magazine springs I still have that are original? Magazine springs? Or the whole magazine body and everything? All of it. Uh, zero springs. All of the springs are still there and they still function. Yep. I've yet to have a magazine spring wear out. Now, granted, I have 20 magazines for that pistol, which does kind of spread it out a fair bit. It does. How many recoil springs? Four. Four recoil springs, two barrels, two full trigger kits. three firing pins, one full slide, because the slide cracked due to firing pressures, and two sets of sights, because I lost a rear sight in a rapid disassembly incident. Oof-toe. Well, you know, when the slide cracked, a lot of bits decided to leave us. They got a cab of fever and decided they wanted to go see the world. They did. Yeah, I'm not, like, I even broke one of the recoil spring rods I wore through it. I think you'll get your money's worth out of that, man. That pistol? Oh, hell yeah. XDM. Highly recommended. These next three are going to test us. Guns across state lines. So, I see very regularly on Facebook gun groups, Reddit, On YouTube, people saying, hey, I inherited a gun. How do I register it in my home state? You fucking don't, you nerd. Unless you live in Illinois and it's an assault weapon, if you want to comply. Or Michigan and it's a pistol. New York, if it's anything, because fuck New York. California. Look, there are very few states where this is an actual problem. It's New York, California, Michigan, Illinois. New Jersey... I don't think Pennsylvania. I think the thing is... Rhode Island. Nope. Nope. Not Rhode Island. Connecticut. Maryland. Might be Connecticut and Maryland. But. Oregon. Oh, I don't know about Oregon. Portland. I haven't looked at their laws in a long time. Yeah, probably Oregon too. So if your state is not a liberal hellhole, go forth. Take it home. You have committed no felonies. If it is a liberal hellhole... Do what your conscience tells you to do. My conscience tells me to ignore idiots. Right. Look, if you have inherited a firearm, chances are extraordinarily low that you will need to do anything to register it. You don't need to do anything to bring your new gun across state lines. You own it legally by the fact of the inheritance. So a guy in the comments is leading me to where I struggle sometimes to call this FUDLOR because some of these are specific to handguns only. But the bigger issue is that this is so driven by state law. It is. Depending on the state you live in, you could be very, very forgiven for insisting vociferously and correctly that you do have to do something to legally move that firearm. into your state, in your custody, and be on the right side of the Johnny Law. Well, for Illinois, having a FOID card at minimum. Yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is, like, I had been told, and I didn't believe it, but I'd been told that, like, if I wanted to, if someone wanted to transfer a handgun to me into Louisiana across state lines, that was going to require going through an FFL or something else, but a rifle wouldn't. If it was purchased. It would have to go through an FFL. Inherited. In your state. Inherited would go forth and do great things. Yeah, but therein lies the thing of it. There are places where there's some truth to that, or there's some circumstances that make that true. But I think where I get frustrated, where this falls into the category of FUDLOR, is when a person insists that, like, across the board, in all circumstances, in all states, it's always required. That's a no. No. That is a. As much as I think that states should not have the right to monkey around with your constitutional right, for the moment. They do. They appear to be doing it, whether or not they can. And I'm sorry, Stuart, we can't start over. You always ask us to start over or demand we start over, and we can't start over because we don't script this. Also, I'm out of whiskey. He is out of whiskey, and I'm out of coffee. And I have to pick up Princess Booker. That's the harder hit. I have to pick up Princess Booger Butt here in a bit, so we really can't loop back around to an hour ago. No. Sorry, bud. Okay. Last two bits of FUD lore. Please, for the love of God, can we all agree as consenting adults that if anyone says is that gun registered to you as if there is a gun registry and we're not talking about specifically NFA items. That they deserve to be kicked in the shin. They do, especially most of Illinois' government right now. I think my issue is just– and I understand where it stems from. It comes from this idea that I went to a gun store. I had to fill out an FFL. They told me something in passing about– how this gets sent to the government, there must be a registry, even though there is a registry. There is. The ATF has a registry, even though it's illegal for them to have it, and I'm pretty sure it's a searchable catalog at this point, because if you have all this data, why wouldn't you have friggin' AI'd it into a friggin' searchable database by now? And I keep hearing certain politicians talking about how... hey, before the end of our term, we really should force the ATF to get rid of this registry, even though they weren't supposed to have it in the first place. But we all know that they're not going to get rid of it, because why on earth would they? What's that, Phil? The government broke the law and found itself not liable? And also, the government investigated the government and determined that the government did no wrong. Yeah, we've seen how that pans out. You know, I have this interesting argument with people all the time whenever there's a gun buyback in town, and I say, really, you You've done a background check on the government and you think that they're a safe person to sell a firearm to? Do you? How many people have they killed lately? At what rate do politicians commit felonies relative to the general population? That's a great question. I don't know the answer to that, but I feel like we should find out because I bet you it's higher. I feel like it's probably higher. I mean, we've already proven that law enforcement officers commit felonies at a higher rate than your average civilian, and that really pisses certain people off. But, you know, it's not factually inaccurate. They're working real hard to keep the Epstein thing as a conspiracy. They're really working hard to keep all those folks out of prison. Makes me wonder if they're not every single one of them culpable. Yes. I mean. I would work really hard to keep myself from going to jail if I was doing crime. The government's working real hard to keep these pedophiles out of jail. Makes me wonder. Yeah, first time in history that someone was sent to prison for trafficking children to nobody. Right. Little sus. Little sus. Look, I'm sorry, but I cannot legally participate in a gun buyback because according to Illinois state law, I have to run a background check on the person I'm selling that firearm to. And darn it. The police officer I'm handing that firearm to does not have a FOID card. Yeah, this has nothing to do with legality. This has everything to do with. Morally, I have issues handing over, I have issues reinforcing the state's monopoly on violence, given their historical track record. Right. I mean, how many individuals do you know, Phil, that have committed genocide? Zero. How many governments do you know of that are still in power, that are actively committing a genocide or have in the past? Most. Right. Right. And I'm only not saying all to hedge my bets because. There's probably one that hasn't. Switzerland. Do we really know that, though? The Swiss get shady with their chocolates. Yes, but they are very, very committed to being neutral in all engagements. How does a man get that neutral? By staying out of it like we should. By being bankers. That's, that's how, but that, that was a Futurama quote. What drives a man to such neutrality? Oh, I was just thinking like, you know, the whole don't go to foreign lands in search of monster slay. Like, yeah. One of our, one of our more intelligent politicians said a long time ago before we decided to be the world's daddy and police officer. Well, you know, there, there is some benefit to be had from being the world police. I just think if we're going to play empire, Let's go ham and actually be an empire. Let's profit from this shit. I mean, the British managed it for 250-ish years. Where's my money from the empire? Where's my security? Guy that comments is going to upset people, but I'm here for it. They can catch seven guys in Cornell, yet not a single arrest in the Epstein files. They mobilized almost the entire God-given federal government to deal with some religious extremists in Waco and burned a building to the ground after laying siege to it for three and a half weeks. But we can't freaking get one single arrest for the Epstein files. When the entire issue with Waco could have been solved by a single sheriff arresting the man when he went on his morning jog like he did every single day. And like the sheriff told them, hey, we can solve this tomorrow morning. Just wait till he goes on his jog. Or, point of order, if the whole issue was he was accused of statutory rape, then why on earth did the ATF serve the warrant? And if the ATF served the warrant because it was over NFA violations, why were they not able to find one single unregistered NFA item in the smoldering ruins of that building? Because the whole point was sending a message. of we'll kill you if you disobey. That was the point of Waco. Just like the point of Ruby Ridge, we'll set you up so that you don't obey, and then we'll kill you to send the message of don't disobey. Yeah, I think more people need to buy Komatsus and take up recreational welding. They do. Hey, welding is good for your health. Well, not really, but it's good for your mental health. I was about to say, dude, did I ever tell you about the first time that I mig welded and I gave myself a sunburn? You didn't wear long sleeves, did you? No, didn't. You know you can sunburn your eyeballs doing that? I was smart enough to wear a mask at least. I'm not stupid, just dumb. When I was a kid, I didn't know better. And my grandfather was busy doing things. And I I was looking at the welding arc. You can sunburn your eyes, and it feels like your eyes are covered in sand for days. Do not do that. It is horrible. No, I had the good common sense to put on a welding helmet, thank Christ. I mean, like I said, I'm dumb, not stupid. Yeah, I was six and thought that was a really pretty light. Yeah i uh i didn't give enough credence because i mean i wasn't welding like a lot i was just wanting a little bit i was like doesn't take a lot no it doesn't i'm gonna tell you that uh the next morning my um okay so this is gonna sound really stupid but i'm not stupid just dumb so i was wearing short sleeves and shorts oh. So that's like that's a creative tan. So my forearm, I had the most awesome farmer's tan the next morning. Fantastic. And my shins were pink. Mm-hmm. They will be. But remember, dumb, not stupid. Yep. It's all right, though. I only ever made that mistake once. You usually only do. So, yes. Is that gun registered to you? Now, I will admit, I've had people who were not as apprised of firearms law and everything as i am if. They're not in the shooting community i understand. It yeah but i was very quick to dispel that rumor and be like you don't have to register that you there is no i need to register this gun to me it's your gun yep and last but not least rapid fire you're gonna have to explain this one because. You added this one in This has gotten less common, thankfully, the longer I've been involved in the shooting community. Very commonly, when I got into shooting, there would be these 8.5x11, home printed out, in a binder sleeve, stapled to the range wall, no rapid fire, maximum one round per second. Because you can't possibly be taking aimed shots faster than one round per second, according to the FUDs. Now, Phil, do you know what your split time is when you're doing rapid fire drills? Substantially less than one second. Oh, yeah. Much, much less than one second. I can clack off. At least two or three rounds with a double action revolver in less than a second. You should be able to. Accurately. With a semi-auto? No. It's not uncommon to see guys get down below two tenths of a second or one tenth of a second. second split times. So i have that range i have encountered this once or twice one time was at a range in the middle of nowhere and the only reason i went there was because my my preferred my home range was flooded out like sure the brit The bridge to get to that range was under two feet of rushing water from a very angry Pearl River. Generally suboptimal for a bridge to be under water. If Raggle's still watching, Raggle knows the area I'm talking about, and when the Pearl gets to about 15 or 16 feet flood stage, like, the most foolhardy and psychotic will not. Play with that river when she gets really pissed off, because... It's not wise to play with flooded rivers. People die around that river when it gets really swollen and angry. So I went out to this little range. I want to say it was in Bedico, which is like Pigs Knuckle, Arkansas. It's in the middle of nowhere. And when this grumpy 200 plus, you know, like 35 BMI, easily 200 pounds over of any reasonable weight with this grumpy old SOB. Told me one round every second. I asked, I asked him, I'm like, is that like a hard rule or a general rule? Cause I was thinking to myself, I'm like, okay, I'm not going to like mag dump out here. I was literally going out there. My, my brother-in-law and I were bringing our revolvers. He had a brand new Colt Python and I had my Ruger GP 100 and he wanted to, he wanted to shoot his brand new revolver. And I wanted to go turn money into noise. Cause that's what you do with three with a, That's what you do with a polished. 357 Magnum, to turn money into noise. But I'd also brought my AR-15 out there, and I. Wanted a camera. I was doing load development, or maybe I was just checking zero on it. I hadn't shot in a while. And I wanted to shoot off the bench and make sure the sights were still on at 100. And I. Had no intention of, like, bill drilling while trying to adjust my sights, but I wanted to know, like, how far I could push this. And he kind of got ornery with me and said, One round every second. So I go out to the rifle range, get the bipod set up, start frigging shooting, checking my sights. Next thing you know, I've got somebody tapping me on the shoulder and I turn around, look, and it's the freaking FUD saying, I told you one shot every second. You need to slow down. I am literally sighting in a rifle. Does he not know how long a second is? No, I think the problem was his old ass saw an AR-15 and it was black and it hurt his friggin' fee-fees. Because he was also bird-dogging the young guy that hid next to me with another AR-15 and just would not leave us the fuck alone. I finally got tired enough of this crap. I packed up the gun. We went over to the pistol line and me and Ross are out there with double action revolvers. I am burning down this damn target as fast as I can, trying to do my best Jerry Mitchell-like impression. The dude's got nothing to freaking say. The whole issue was scary black rifle. But I have heard this, and I've encountered this even at other ranges where You get a certain personality that gets it, like you said, in their head that there's no way you could be taking well-aimed, careful shots because you're firing faster than I could. And that's where I find a lot of this comes from. The same way that you get into the situation where the person says, well, I only have seven rounds in my 1911, so that's all you need, even though they can't hit. The broadside of a barn. I find a lot of this comes from the person who says, well, I can't shoot that fast and take well-aimed shots, so you can't either. And I'm like, well, that's because you suck. I had an interesting interaction at the pistol range one day when I was still going to an indoor range. Rangemaster kept telling me that I was shooting too fast. There's no way I was making my hits. Shooting too fast. I got to slow down. I said, okay. I said, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to load a 15-round mag, and I'm going to mag dump the target at 25 yards. I would like you to count the holes in the targets in the target. When I bring it back 25 yards. Now I'm going to shoot 15 rounds as fast as I can. 25 yards. My 15 round group was like six inches. That's respectable. It was with the XDM. It was with the gun I shot all the competitions with. I shot that gun a lot. A lot. I told him, I said, did a single round miss the paper? Oh, no, there's 15 holes. I said, okay. Are you going to bother me about how quick I'm shooting anymore? Well, you're shooting too fast. No, that's not what I said. I can clearly shoot this fast at twice the distance I'm training at. You're not going to bother me anymore. We're done with this. Look, rapid fire is your goal. you should be able to shoot rapidly and accurately as well as precisely accuracy and precision are two different things. Remember they are, they're two different things. You should shoot as fast as you are capable of, because that's how you push yourself to get more accurate. Well, and going back to like where we first, where we started along, you know, We started towards the beginning of this conversation talking about how the military's attempt to push the hit ratio was put. More lead in the air. If you're in an engagement, and it is self-defense, and I do feel like that's where a lot of this really breaks down, is that you have the mentality of the sports shooter, the mentality of the defensive shooter, and the mentality of the person who's only looking at firearms as a hobby or as a sporting implement. But from our perspective, if you want to increase the lethality of a firearm in a defensive scenario, you put more holes into a person faster. That makes them stop misbehaving more rapidly than if you just shoot them one time, you know, with like perfect trigger press and then admire your sight, you know, like admire your sights. Or if you like put half a magazine into them very quickly to end the threat. But I don't find that. You tend to get any credence from FUDs that that is like a legitimate scenario or a legitimate. Use of firearms. It's weird to me. Well, look, a lot of FUDs are absolutely atrocious shooters. They're willfully terrible with firearm safety. And they think everybody else is just as bad as they are a lot of the time. And I think that's where, that's where a lot of this comes from. Like it, if you're doing a self, if you're involved in a self-defense shooting, put as many holes in that person as humanly possible. And the shorter time as possible, because the more holes faster, they stop doing whatever it is. You don't want them doing. And that means I'm going to train shooting as fast as I accurately can. And that is. Hmm. Oh, no, I didn't mean to cut you off. I thought you were done. No, I'm good. Go for it. We're going to go back through some of these comments. Joe Oliver is saying, we have a state ranger that actually unloaded a belt fed every time they see an AR. Yeah, they need a bag of dicks. Yeah. Here's something that a guy that comments through and that we didn't actually have as a banner, but it might present an interesting thought. FUDs be like, you can't give the homeless yeet cannons. They're an endangered population. How many times have you heard FUDs make a comment, something to the tune of, we have to make firearm ownership more expensive? So only the right people are owning firearms. We have to have background checks. We have to have training requirements. We have to have permit costs. We have to get rid of Saturday Night Specials because we want to make sure just the right people can have guns. He's usually the same guy down at the bar that talks about the blacks or the Jews. Yeah. And this, by the way, burns my freaking ass. Because whether you're looking down on a group of people because of the color of their skin or because of their socioeconomic status, I can find nothing on earth that aggravates the shit out of me more than the idea that the right to self-preservation should somehow only be apportioned to the people that these doddering old motherfuckers deem appropriate to have it and for any of you that had kids in the room i'm sorry but that genuinely wholeheartedly pisses me off. And it should it should look self-defense is every human's. Right self-defense is every creature's right i mean like go go go get go corner any animal in nature that animal has no second man right it has no constitution it has no constitutional rights But it will freaking kick your ass trying to save itself. Or die trying. Every creature in nature has a right to self-preservation. Not a right to eternal life, not a right to be free from danger, but a right to attempt to save itself. And it's the attempt that matters. Yeah. But that is, for all those reasons, I get really frustrated fuds because what what i keep hearing over and over and over as we go through all these banners is this attempt to install more difficulty in the ability for the average person to be able to defend themselves smaller magazines tinier guns no scary black rifles only the right people have guns. It just, it always keeps coming. Back to this idea of like firearm owner elitism of if you don't do gun the way I think gun should be done, then you shouldn't do gun at all. It's, it's an interesting thing that I've noticed even in private, like rod and gun clubs. When the ability to run these clubs was less costly, they were very exclusive with their membership. Almost like the hunting clubs in Europe are still today. You had to be pretty highfalutin or connected to get into it. Got to be the right kind of people. Can't have women involved. Spouse can't come. Your kids can't come. I don't like it. I don't want anything to do with that. I want my wife to be able to come with me to the range because she needs a firearm to defend herself more than I do. no offense, she's a smaller lady than me. She can't grab a 180-pound guy and chuck him into a wall. It's just not going to happen. You know, I've always gone around the idea that I refuse to support any law, any principle, or any behavior that makes it more difficult for the most vulnerable people in society to be able to protect themselves. If If the single mom working two jobs to feed three frigging kids all by herself, living on the wrong side of town in a bad part with a high crime rate where the police response time is laughable to next week. If we do any one thing as a society to make it more difficult for her to have a farm to defend herself from being harmed and her kids be harmed, then that law is invalid on the face of it. And anyone that supports it is wrong. And we as a gun community– should hold each other to a higher standard than to continue to permit any one of us to support laws that do those kinds of things. I think it's really interesting that in the last 10 to 15 years, the gun community has really pushed in your direction on that. They have, but I'm going to be the first to admit, and even at the range that I am trying to be an RO at, I still do hear things every now and then that kind of twist my head around and be like, oh, you're one of those. Yeah, my private range doesn't let me do weapons transition drills. I'm working on it. I'm going to get my transitions drills. I am actually pushing my local range very hard. They recently started doing their first night shotgun shoots where they have glow-in-the-dark clays. Yeah, that's cool. That's really cool. Okay, but I am pushing them to get a special exemption from State Wildlife and Fisheries for us to be able to open the pistol range at night for people that want to zero or shoot with night vision. Sure, why not? I'm not going to let go of it because it's like I keep telling them, I'm like, guys, I'm like, We have a group that comes out on Friday. They're all the older guys. They're Milserv guys. They love to shoot tiny little groups with old friggin' rifles. I love them. They're super cool. They're chill. They're respectful. And they're all amazing shots. But the gun community is not going that direction in the next 20 years. Those gentlemen's days are numbered in this community. The direction it's going is the young guy with the FRT... who is you know like trying to try to do the perfect mag dump for an instagram photo the gun community is going in the direction of women and liberals and homosexuals and all these groups that certain people don't want to see in the gun community joining the gun community because they have a reason to and a right to and i keep telling everybody i'm like we we as a community are going to do one of two things either we are going to welcome these people in and try to to instruct them in the ways of safety and the ways of like, we're, we have to break away from this idea of I do gun right way. You do gun right way, or you don't get to do gun. And instead turn this into, we have to teach these people the way to do what they're trying to do in a safe way. Like I had a group of guys with FRTs at the range and their issue was You know, they were having a lot of trouble freaking getting these guns to run. I tried to give them as much advice as I could. Yeah, FRTs have their problems for reliability. They do, but here's the thing. Their rounds were impacting the berm. Fair enough. I do not care if they were hitting their target or not. They weren't. They were not. They were not using their sights. But the rounds were impacting the berm. They were not flagging each other. They were not doing stupid shit. They were not a safety hazard. It is not my place to sit there and harass them or harangue them about the fact that you don't use your sights and you don't hit your target and all this bullshit. That's not what they're out there to do. Just make sure they're safe and let it go. Ask for three things out of people at the range. Be safe, be polite, and clean up after yourself. Yes. The three things I ask. But we have to stop this community from trying to gatekeep because what we're going to wind up doing is that we're going to We're not going to chase that group of people out of the gun community. They're here whether we want them to be or not. But what we are going to do is bifurcate the gun community into two chunks, and those two chunks are going to get steamrolled. Oh, absolutely. So anyway, that's my whole argument against FUDs. The knowledge, in air quotes, they try to proffer 99% of the time is wrong. 99% of the time it's outdated. Most of the time it's foolish. And it makes them look foolish. And if we don't. Call balls and strikes on our own people, then we all look like idiots because we're telling people things that they could easily disprove with a Google search. True. Not to mention, in 2026, in this deep into the age of influencers, you can go on YouTube and you can see a person shooting a gun, disassembling a gun, modifying firearms. This information is too out there. There is... There's nothing to be gained anymore by gatekeeping it. There's nothing to be gained. By trying to cling to these old firearms wives' tales because they're too easily disproved at this point. Very true. All right. Is there anything else we missed in here? I mean, we could talk about FUD lore for a freaking week and not run out of material because something new pops up every freaking day. You know what we should do? This is one of those moments where I have to put a note in my phone or I'll forget. Good, good. My memory sucks. Yes. Neo-Fudlor. Oh, yeah. There must be some new Fudlor stuff. There is. Stuff that our generation has cooked up that's just as stupid as the generation ahead of us. The dichotomy behind wet-lubed ARs and dry-lubed ARs being one of them. Oh, sweet Jesus. We're going to go down that road and I'm going to find myself defending some of this crap because I can already see where you're going in some cases. And there's a lot of there's a lot of kernel of truth to these inside that nugget of bull crap. There is. And it's, you know, spoiler environmental dependent. Yeah. Let's just say that when I was in Iraq, I intentionally didn't lube my AR for a year or my N16 for a year. Environmental dependencies are are hugely impacting on what actually you should do with a lot of these things. Yeah. Oh, another one. Another one that I really hate. Your scope should cost more than the rifle it sits on. The dollar amount of the scope has only a little bit of bearing on the quality. Yeah. Glass is so cheap now. I won't promise the audience that'll be next week, but we are going to put some thought towards that. I actually have a couple of. I had a couple of things queued up when we had to back everything off a week because of the ATF suddenly getting less gay all of a sudden. It's true. The ATF got weirdly less stupid and gay. Yeah, I mean, just a little bit and just for a minute, but still, it was like, oh my god, we have to talk about this. So now we've shifted everything off a week and now we're getting back to. I would say we're getting back to schedule, but that makes this sound like a really professional podcast, and oh Christ almighty are we not. We don't know what we're talking about until Tuesday. Unless we forget. And then sometimes Wednesday. Every once in a blue moon, I drop it on you over the weekend. Sometimes, yeah, that has occurred. Or we've discussed it at the show wrap. That's unusual. It's usually Tuesday. It is usually Tuesday. All right. We'll go ahead and pack this one up, send this one out the door. 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