The Original Crew: Dale and Lisa Goodwin | Changing Earth Podcast Ep 498

Welcome back to the Changing Earth Podcast with author Sarah F. Hathaway and co-host Chen Gibson. Blending survival fiction and fact to bring you entertaining education that will help you dream, survive, and thrive. And now, here's your hosts, Sarah F. Hathaway and Chen Gibson. Hey y'all, what is up? I love that intro. I always knew Chin looked like a bobblehead. That's right. I took his duck face off, you know. I called him the duck for a while. The first time I ever met him in person was like COVID era, and he was wearing a duck mask. So we always quack at him still. So Chin's back this week, or this month. Last month, Chin was AWOL. I did a pretty cool interview with... William Stewart, and he actually directed The Rock movie. I know. It was pretty epic to get to meet him. He's doing an audio drama. And so we reached out for an interview. I was like, yay, for sure. The one with Sean Connery, right? Yes, the one with Sean Connery. That is insane. Wow. Yeah. I was like, did you get to meet Sean Connery? That was like the biggest question I ever asked. Of course, Nicolas Cage as well, right? But I was like, really? Did you get to meet Sean Connery? Like, how was that? He was like, the best gentleman. He was such a gentleman, like, all the time. Like, I thought so. I knew it. He's epic. So, yeah, that was a good show. So, hey, Jim, what's up? Changing his little picture. You got to get your avatar up there or something. That's what I was working on when you asked where I was. So I just stopped looking for that picture. Oh, so you just went for it. Jumped into the thing. I'm going to make him like a AI avatar. I'm getting pretty good at that stuff now. And the original, the original crew, Dale and Lisa, man, it's been many years. A long time. Yeah. Like you were some of my very first guests ever on the change at earth. 12 years, 10, at least 10 years ago. Nope. 12 years ago. I can't believe it's been that long. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. And then my original prepper prepper podcast that I listened to. Yeah. Yeah. I still get people asking me if I'm going to bring the show back and it's like, I don't know. I got a lot going on. She's got a lot going on now. So it's just a, it's a, it's still got that, that SP patch stuck on the top of my, my truck. Did he? Yes. Yeah, back when you sent me that and the Secret Squirrel. Yeah, yeah. I got all this stuff. I still got the rub some dirt on it patch and all the goodies you sent. And I have my alien horse patch. My alien patch on my horse blanket. Oh, yeah. I forgot my fellow ancient aliens lover. Yeah. Okay. Ancient. Oh, I love Dale's up. Yes, but they think so. The ancient alien scientists think so. Did you know the troll guy, the guy with the troll hair, the crazy hair? He was, he lived here in Boulder. Oh, did you get to go meet him? No, I didn't sadly, but he, he passed away, but he lived in Boulder. So I was. Like, what? Yeah. Gregorio or whatever. Yeah. Georgio something or other. He passed away? Mm-hmm. Oh. Not under good circumstances. Oh. Yeah. Oh. I don't believe it like that. He got probed and taken up? Yeah, maybe they took him home. Serious. Like, I did not know any of that. Wow. What did you learn on the Changing Earth podcast? Right? Yeah. Oh, I noticed that he hadn't been on the show, and then they haven't been doing new shows. In a while, and I was like, what's going on? Yeah. Yeah. That's probably why. And one of the other guys was like in a shootout or something that was like ruled a suicide or whatever. No, are you serious? It's a long straight haired dude. Yeah. Yeah. He, I think he took his own life. Supposedly that's what happened with Giorgio too. Okay. That is, that is so weird. Yeah. That's okay. I didn't know like both of them. That's eerie. That is. Holy moly. All right. So, yeah. A little lightweight to start. Aren't we supposed to end with aliens instead of start with aliens? Yeah. Lost control already. I know. We did. We went off the rails on the crazy train already. So, yeah. Been a lot of years. And like I said, November came up. I was like, well, we're into the holidays. Got to have family, you know. When I came out to Denver, you guys were just fabulous. It was like family. Like I said, you have some of the most bougie chickens that I've ever. I'm trying to keep overfeeding my chickens. I'm like, I want them to be so big and beautiful, like Lisa's chickens. And they rip the feathers out of each other. And I don't know, I raise like fighting chickens. That's awesome. They're like, mom's into it. We're into it. So, yeah. So what have you guys been working on? I know you're not podcasting. I get it. It takes so much time. That's why I cut this show down to just once a month because. Of the audio drama. If you guys haven't listened to the audio drama. Well, you know, you were in the audio drama at the beginning. Yeah. And it was Survivalist Forever commercial. No, it was the Dale and Duff show, I think. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. I was doing that for a while. And then with, with me, I'm sort of, I created a new YouTube channel, the bug out location, because I think I was getting shadow band or something. The other, the survivalist prepper YouTube channel just wasn't doing anything. So I was like, I'm just going to start over and simplify everything and sort of go kind of like my bug out location website, where it's all the basic stuff to do some of that. those types of things. And that has, I mean, I've almost got a hundred thousand subscribers now. So, and, and that survival's prepper channel was 12 years or so. And I got like 35,000. So yeah, I figured out a better direction basically. I love that. Yeah. They've never monetized my stuff. It's just even my new channel, the audio drama. Nope. They're just, I was like, okay, whatever. We'll just keep working against the algorithm. I don't know. It's so hard. It is so hard. You have to be very mainstream and go with the flow. You have to talk about fluffy stuff. Well, in all the new AI channels, there's so many AI prepping channels, and it just drives me nuts because it's almost like back when we all started where the spam– was the sales page websites, right? Where the big long, turn the volume up or you're going to die, those types of things. The new spam is that AI stuff. It's just regurgitated information that regardless whether it's right or wrong, because anybody can get online and write an article about wilderness survival or first aid. And if it's wrong, then the AI takes that information and will spit back that false information. So it's sort of frustrating that there's so many of those and so many people that fall for those Those eight, the AI crap that it's, it's sort of, it's, it's frustrating because there are those of us that are real out there trying to get an actual perspective out there. And, you know, it, it sort of gets drowned out. Agreed. AI channels are everywhere. There's the news channels, the audio book channels, the music channels. It's, it's horrible. It's, it's just going to get worse too. Yeah. And not just prepping. I mean, everything. Right. My opinion is that this is a little off the wall that like the bots will just corrupt our internet and then we won't be able to use internet anymore. We'll be like the only few generations who actually have this cool thing because it's going to just get so convoluted. With I don't know how off the wall that is, though. Yeah, I don't think that's very off the wall at all. I did a video a couple months ago about that, about what if not, you know, AI is not the Skynet type of thing, but what if AI instead of just takes down the internet, what if it takes over the internet? So you don't know if you're actually logging into your bank account to deposit or withdraw money or not. It could be a fake website that it created in milliseconds. You don't know what's true, what's not, and with the The video and all that just becoming so much better these days. I mean, if it decides that, you know what, you stupid humans are, you know, we're going to do this on our own. Forget the guardrails and all that crap. Yeah, and it'll. Just go off the rails and start making stuff up. I use it a good deal. And right now it's all digital. But what happens when they do make the advancements in the robotics and stuff, and then all of a sudden the AI has the physical ability to control it? Then you are talking Skynet. Oh, Elon says within like three years or whatever, there's going to be like 200 billion robots in action or whatever. Like, okay. I think everything's going to be so completely different in five years from now it's yeah it's um you know we're not old or anything but i'm glad we got to live a pretty full life because if it goes up the rails i'm gonna i'm gonna sit back and enjoy the show a little bit and just be like i. Told you. If you go changing earth, then it's going to be like the CME blast, and we won't have to worry about it anyway. That could be the one thing that takes AI out. Yeah. It could, yeah, help take it out. Yeah, God's going to be like, here, hold my beer. Yeah. You guys think you have it going on? Yeah, no. Yeah, no. God's like, look at what these idiots did. Look what they created. They're trying to beat me. Uh-huh. Done. Back to steam engine. Good luck. Yeah. So, I don't know. I just live each day. I'm really into each day because, you know, after you've been in the preparedness community for so long, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that. Yeah. I mean, it's just the way of life, being prepared, having your backups, having the game plan, having the evac plan. It's come in handy many times in my life, having an evac plan, you know, and just. Having those things in place. And then after that, it's like, yeah, I'm ready. You know, whatever. We'll face that when we get there. That's maybe one of the biggest takeaways I've taken away from being. Part of the preparedness community is being more agile and less set. With like, we have to go this way. And if it doesn't go this way. I'm going to explode. You know, it's like, no, no, we can be agile. And that's how you, you know, make it each day. That's another thing you have to combat is not just the AI, but then you have those fear merchants online as well that feed on that. And that's honestly, if I could actually do that and not feel horrible about myself, I'd have a lot more viewers. I'd be making a lot more money, but I just can't. And like you said, once you've been doing this for a decade or so, you see all this stuff come and go when you're, when you first start out in preparedness, you're all gung ho about the stuff. And you're like, Oh man, this can happen. This can happen. Once you see that it doesn't a few times that the sky isn't falling, then you're like, okay, I'm going to focus on what I can focus on. Yeah. I don't want to ignore all this stuff because it is like, it is possible. Right. Yeah. But I'm not going to. That's like the more mature prepper, a standpoint. Because, like, when I first started watching, like, Prepper podcasts and stuff, it was like, oh, my God, I got to get water purification tablets. And I got to do this and that. And now I'm like, you know, how many years into this? And I'm like, please, every month there's a new catastrophe that I got to be afraid of. It's crazy. Yeah. How many water purification tablets have you thrown away in the last decade? Right. That's why I just stick with the pool tabs. Yeah. You figure out the more practical ways of doing things. Yeah. And not to say that those are bad either. If you are sort of new to this and all that, I do think the bug out bag is a great idea. I've never had to use mine other than if I get the munchies in my truck. I've never been stuck on the side of the road or anything. I've gotten like the car kits and those have come handy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have, like, my whole trunk is, like, decked out, and I've had to actually replace some of the things in my car kit because I've had to use them. But it's not, like, out of, like, oh, my God, what am I going to do? It's out of, okay, well, this sucks. But then you just deal with it, and you move on. I think that's what preparedness is, isn't it? Yeah. Get ready for it. And the lifestyle is solid. Like, when we were moving out here to Texas– We were in the middle of this accident where like the semi went down in front of us. All of those cars got smashed. Us with like six other cars were the only cars not smashed. And then for like half a mile behind us was all smashed. They had, we were just in the middle. I was like, but we. Had, you know, our cooler, we had our meat, we had water, we had cheese and, And it was like, okay, well, the road's not going to be open for six hours. So we're good. We're just going to chill and, you know. Break out their window cards. Right. Because we already built the lifestyle of we were ready and we can weather that storm. Yeah. I think it's sort of a rite of passage. You have to go through all that stuff. And then there are people that will last about a year and decide this is not worth it. And I feel even worse for those people than the people that are oblivious because they know better. And they're choosing not to where with us, I don't, I don't have any regrets about doing all of the things we did. You learn a lot and, and you figure out, you figure things out as you go. And to this day, it is, it's just something we do. We have the canned food. We have the, some of the freeze dry food. I've got a harvest right. And then we freeze dry some food. It's just something we do, and we do it differently now. I've thrown away more canned food than we both have. Yeah, yeah. But we don't anymore. Yeah. We get what we're actually going to eat rather than, you know, I've got to fill up the shelf. Right, right. Because it looks cool. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't matter what it is. It makes me feel better. But, you know, it's there. It makes me feel like I can survive. Like you're doing something. Well, it makes you feel like you're doing something. I mean, that's a lot easier than learning a skill or. Right. Yeah. But when, but when you're first getting into preparedness, that's, that's what it just seems like. That's how we all think that we've got to have all this stuff. We've got to have this. And then, then when we start getting a little bit more comfortable in the like whole scenario of it, then we start learning the skills. And then we, you know, it's just, it's a, It's like we're grown-up teenagers. Yeah. It's true. Well, back then, too, you had the William Fortunes and all these super hardcore guys, right? So you almost felt like if you weren't trying to live up to that standard, you. Weren't doing it right. Right. And these days, I think prepping has evolved so much that it sort of, you anybody can do as much as they want to do or or can do financially or physically and that's still better than nothing but there still is that that that i sort of sort of it you never stop growing i suppose and you never stop trying to become a little bit more prepared and that's our philosophy anyway some people they get a few weeks worth of food they're good some water. Yeah it's over i think for the wife emergencies too you know I mean, obviously, we haven't seen an apocalypse. We haven't seen, you know, and I'm afraid we never do. But, you know, for those life emergencies where, you know, you're. Short that month or. Things just didn't work out as well. Right. At least you've got stuff back that you're like, well, we're going to eat this month at least. Right. Or if you've got enough freezer room, you go buy a side of beef or a quarter of beef. And you buy– with the meat prices, it's never going to stop going up it seems like. With the food prices, you have all of that that you bought maybe six, eight months ago that was a lower price than it is right now. You can sort of fall back on that, save a little bit of money. And if you don't have– if it's just too expensive that month, say one person in your family has a medical emergency and can't go to work for a month. Got that to fall back on yeah. And that's when it's coming handy like the most yeah besides like having to evacuate because of wildfires in california so yeah natural disasters yeah having that five minute plan has been you know just the bomb yeah those moments and having the kids after your guys's story of like what your daughter did the first time she had like all the pictures in the car right. I had Fletch so dialed in, man. He could get us out of there in five minutes. That's awesome. It's funny now. Her son, her oldest son, I have to walk him off the ledge from time to time these days. Because he is at that age and that sort of point where we were all at when you first get into it. He's talking about how all the different countries right now are saying you need to prepare. And all that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a lot of talk. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, you got to pay attention to it, but don't, don't freak out. I was like, I've got water jugs. I got five gallon jugs. Come over. I'll hook you up. I'll give you this and that, but just relax. And he's, he's got, you know, got his guns and things like that. And he, I think he's, he's kind of, I think there's a little bit of this in all of us where we all enjoy the, the, the process and even the, I mean, there's like your books and everything. There's so many people that like the prepper fiction because you– and even the movies because you get. That little bit of what if. You also can kind of quiz yourself. Yeah. But at the same time, there's that little bit in us I think that not wants it to happen. I don't want to say it like that because I think people that want something to happen really have no idea what it. Would be if it did happen. Right. But– There is that whole aspect of it that interests us, I think. Yeah, you get to go on that adventure with those characters and be in the land for a while and be like, okay. Especially with Changing Earth characters because they are pretty freaking sweet. They're so cool. Thank you. That was my experiment of just like, okay, who would I be? Who would this person be? And going through it all. So, But I totally feel you as far as it goes that like a prey were never there. There was also that show colony that came on back in the day where they were like after Katrina, not the fiction one. It was like, Oh, it was after Katrina. And they put all those people in there and they're like, apocalypse has happened. You're going to survive. And there was that one guy who was. Like, I'm a prepper. I'm going to be so great and awesome. And, And, like, by the end of the show, he was hiding in the bushes, like, eating bugs and stuff. And I was like, oh. There were a couple guys on that show that– because I remember I was first starting to get into solar and electronics and all that. And some of these guys on there are just super, super bad. brainy and i was like yeah yeah that's cool if you got if you can make you know do all these beguiver things but me and my. Friends shane can do it shane can do it. I could do a lot now but back then it's like. Yeah yeah he was like that old hippie guy and i was like what's the old hippie guy doing he ended up like making the radio and knew how to use like the or the pig fat for all kinds of stuff. And I was just like, all right, old hippie guy. Like he's the one who came out the best out of it, you know? And after watching that, I was just like, okay, you know what? Live for the day, guys. Yeah. Whatever tomorrow brings, that's God's decision, not mine. And we'll just cross that bridge when we get there and be agile. So. Well, what's some of the coolest stuff that you've done over the past couple years? Now, this is just whatever, homesteading. What are some of the neatest projects? I've got one to share. I think the biggest one is our well. Oh, the transfer switch, too. Yeah. I've been, for years, I've been trying to figure out how, because when the power goes out, and I've been focusing a lot on alternative energy and power outages and doing reviews on power stations and putting together DIY things myself. But for years, my Achilles heel has been water. Because, sure, we can store, I mean, I've got 100 gallons of water down here. I've got 60 or so in the garage, I think. But that's going to run out pretty quickly. So it's been that, you know, when the power goes out, I've got all of this water underneath me, millions and millions of gallons, but I can't get it up. Because our well is 400 feet deep. So I can't do that, the hand pump and all of that. Okay. So I finally had a transfer switch put in. Some people can do that themselves. I am not that guy, that electrician, and she would kick my butt if I blew up the house or something. But I had that put in. And now when the power goes out, one, we can flush the toilets. And, you know, that makes it nice and easy and have a couple of lights on in the house and the refrigerator. But once I can turn on, I can plug in one of these. I've got an EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 that I can plug in to that transfer switch and turn on those. I think I've got six or eight breakers. And then I can fill up water jugs if I need to. And then I can shut that back off so I don't have to use all that energy. So it's something that. So the energy is not sitting there at the well all the time. It's an optional turn on, turn off. Yeah, when she takes 20, 30 gallons of water to go water her horses or whatever. Oh, yeah. We've used it and it's been a couple of days or so. We can flip that on, fill everything back up and do. That way we're not wasting a. Lot of energy. We're rationing that energy. Until I get to the point where I don't even care. I've only got like 800 watts of solar right now, so that's not near enough. But that's the goal. I was going to say, what's the power that it's running on? Yeah, 800 watts is not near enough to get me through an entire day yet with being able to regenerate it the next day. It's about a half a day. Got you. I'm close. And that depends on how much we ration. You have to hook up like– some kind of a thing for the horses to run on and then they could generate. Power for it. There you go. Yeah. Her horses. Good luck with that. Maybe your little one though. Oh yeah. He's psycho. Yeah. Put his little butt on a treadmill. That's my thought. Like, okay. Exercise bikes. Right. Yeah. Put like rodents to work. Little wheels that would be awesome we catch all the mice yeah instead of like killing them and we make a giant. Wheel yeah and then we put them in there yeah. You do that in your barn not a house that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen they. Just have all their little wheels And then make it all the power. That's right. I'll get my solar panels. You work on your little mice factory. It feels like the current investment looks a little shy there. I don't know, man. You can gear up. There's all kinds of ratios and stuff, right? I'm not the science person, so I don't know. It sounded like a good idea to me. I was following you with the horses until you got to the rodents. Maybe chickens even. Chickens don't do much. They just peck the ground. Yeah. You'd have to put like a button and like, remember the feeder that you got them and you had to train them to use the new feeder. And that took like a week because they were terrified of it. The Tweedle feeder where they step on the thing and then the lid opens because it keeps the mice from eating all the food and all the other birds. I think it's called a Tweedle feeder. Mice are challenging out here in Texas. Mice are? Yeah. They go underground. And go over to where the feeder is. And then they pop up and eat out of it. Because it's like sandy loam out here. So they can actually like dig pretty well. And so they were just, the chickens can't catch them then. There's no like run across the ground time. Right. So like the feeder itself, I just have metal bins. They're all taken care of. The mice can't get in there. But their actual feeders at the chicken area. so um i ended up concreting their whole coop area where the feeder is right and that and because of the red ants too if it's just dirt the fire ants i lost like. One of my favorite chickens and fire ants. Oh no yeah so i came out she was just covered oh my gosh and you can't You know, I can't put a killer for the ants down in the chicken area. I do diatomaceous earth like crazy to keep them there, right? And then I'll do a killer around the coops, but I can't put an ant killer inside of it. So the concrete area, the ants have to crawl across there. That's not dirt. The mice can't climb under and pop up. They got to come across. And it's all shaded to make sure because Texas, right, I don't want to get too hot for their food. So it's all shaded. And then they have their outdoor areas. But they can get in there and that's where their food is. And I tell you what, all I have to do now is go in there and hose the coop. There's no shoveling. Oh, that's cool. Right? Yes. That'd be worth the work. Yeah. Yeah. We just did the paper blocks that are like, you know, foot by a foot kind of thing and just did them underneath the dog kennel. Because if dogs can't get out, they can't get in. Right. So the concrete underneath the dog kennel with the lid on it. And we built a little mansion area for them. But that just opens up and then you just swoosh everything into a bucket. Hose it down. Done. Very cool. Wasn't she saying ours were bougie? I was like, yeah. I was like, that sounds like a pretty bougie chicken house you got going on there, Sarah. Well, we live in a pretty, like, uppity, you know, area now. We're not out on 40 acres in the middle of nowhere where we can just have our little shed out there. With our rogue chickens, right? Yeah. So, yeah, it is a little. I definitely have learned how to, like, yuppie eyes my preps. That's been my mission. Now, do your neighbors. Know that of who you are and what you do and what kind of preparedness you're into? Yeah. Yeah, they do. They appreciate the eggs though. Yeah. Right. I just, yeah. Yeah. I just hand out eggs to my neighbors and let them know, you know, I won't be here when stuff happens. We have a different location that we're going to. So, you know, But we built this garden system that's amazing. It looks beautiful. And it's so yuppie. But it brings in a lot of food for Texas and stuff. And do you have to watch your water usage? Because of, I mean, with the, because I think my mom, they're in, she's in Fort Worth area and they have a well, but they're still limited on what they can water, even in her garden. Yeah. So there's been one year when we were drought enough that they were like, you're only allowed to water on these days. Right. Right. But we're in East. Texas and it's the Piney Woods. So there's lots of water. There's lots of lakes, lots of, you know, there's lots of different ecosystems within Texas. So out here, we have had that one summer, but no, it'll cost you more. That's for sure. Right. So that's why I did like raised beds and things like that instead. And then my garden slot that's like out in the yard, you know, because we do have an acre. So like my big pad is for things like potatoes and stuff like that, that aren't, you know, requiring as much water. Yeah. So yeah, we just microized it. Yeah. Yeah. And the wind out here was the worst. So I built like this whole screen system and we have the nightlights that go on out there. It's like our patio is actually the garden, but it looks all just, dope you know just yeah that's awesome yeah and there's not really a lot of green out here so you get surrounded by the garden when. You're in the patio which i bet looks really pretty. Yes yeah i know that's what it's like all right we sunk some money into it and uh yeah it's just cinder block and dirt but. Pictures i saw looked like a tiki bar. Like it does. That's really good gray man right there. Yeah. Oh my gosh, your garden. It's so beautiful. I'm like, you know, that's where we're actually harvesting from. So that's so cool. Ways to do it. Right. Moving really made it, you know, that we had to take these concepts and make them here. Yeah. And so that was, And, you know, a little posh, I guess. Hey, but you just, you kind of improvise and you learn as you go and you just take, you know, what you know, and then you're just adding on to it. So you just have to kind of be fluid and just kind of go with it. And that's what it's about. It worked to your surroundings too. Exactly. You changed states, you changed climates, you changed from rural to, you know, semi, you. Know, suburban. Yeah. Yeah, the gardening, it was different. There's two seasons, very early, very late. And, like, I'm growing. Beets still right now. You know, so. And then the wind. Your tomatoes are like, yay. What? Two years in a row now, I've had hail destroy our tomatoes. It's very frustrating. All the work you put in. Yes. In a half an hour. Oh. Big deal. Yeah. Yeah. That was bad. They have like hail screens you can get. And, you know, I'm dreading the day because we get a lot of hail too. And I have screens. So it's not in Texas. It's not about how much or if you need shade, it's how much shade you need. Right. So we have screens actually over the top of the garden. So when we can take them off, but Brock, he put them on there. so i don't know i. Haven't i haven't quite worked to that point yet i've got the fence raised so the deer can't eat the stuff but now i need to i guess to put a roof on i did but our covenant out here our hoa we can't have a third outbuilding which is dumb for having an hoa out here but And so they consider. Like a garden structure a third building? If it has a roof. Yeah, if I were to make it like a greenhouse, even like a carport would. Be considered because it has a roof, even if it doesn't have walls. Stupid. So stupid. One of my neighbors was like, I don't think we're allowed to have chickens. And I was like, I didn't sign nothing when I came in saying that. Sounds like you got a Mr. Johnson. Yeah, I'm going to have my chicken. No, no. As soon as I was like, I don't give a crap. I was like, I'm keeping my chickens. He went and got chickens himself. Oh, did he? Oh, good. Yeah. He just thought it was against the rules. And he's like, well, if you don't care, I don't care. I'm going for it. I'm like, I see. Because if anybody says anything, he's like, well, she's got chickens. Right. Right. I take the heat. You know, I got big shoulders. Yeah. Well, that's cool. There was always a. Challenge for us with the well in California. And that's one of the reasons why we're not staying here. If water utility goes down, you're in. The middle of Texas. We don't have a water source here. That is the one good thing about having a well, though, because your mom pays outrageous prices with water. All we have to pay is... Well, to get the well in place if it goes bad, but just the electricity. Yeah. Yeah. Now you just have to figure out your power system. Yeah. And I think I've basically got that figured out for short term anyway. And that's honestly and that's one thing you learn as you do this for longer, too, is that's honestly the shorter term, the least catastrophic something is. The more likely it is to happen. So if you are talking about some of these things you read in the books, even the changing Earth, and it's not to say they can't happen, things like that can't. I mean, we've been hit by asteroids and crap like that before. Yellowstone has erupted before. All of that has happened before, and everyone's got nukes these days. But the more likely thing is the hurricanes if you live on the coast or earthquakes. Or in the mountains. Yeah, yeah. Snow storms, tornadoes out here where we live. Those are the things. Helene was crazy. We were at prepper camp. Yeah. Yeah, Helene came right over my house. Was that? Oh, really? Yeah, we were at prepper camp. Two weeks without power. But my wife teleworks, and my wife didn't miss a day of work because we had everything set up. That's awesome. So you got a good test. Yeah, it was an awesome test. And water wasn't. Water was the thing. We had water buckets outside for the toilet so we didn't waste good potable water. I was running around grabbing all the water buckets that were outside, filling the water from the storm and rationing those into the toilets. Like you said, now I've got some stuff so I can run the well off of auxiliary power. But that was the thing. That's the biggest bugger. I don't know if good test was the right way to put that, but. You got a viable opportunity to test your. Two weeks, no power, and we kept everything up and running. He was out grilling pizza on his... Yeah. Standing out on his roof going like Noah or something. Bring it on! The caddyshack with my lightning and my. That was awesome. I remember that. We were in the trailer when that storm came. Yeah, we were all at Prepper Camp for that. That was crazy. In the middle of those trees. Luckily, only two trees on that whole property came down. And everybody was safe. We had to cut our way out. I left my camper because I wasn't sure about the roads getting home. And almost a month later, I went back and got it from the campground. A month later. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. We literally had to cut our way out. Like with our literally. Yeah. Uh-huh. It was going around asking everybody for a hand saws and axes. Yeah. Man. I wonder how many people that went through that at proper camp, how many people went super hardcore to prepping because they went through that and how many people just ran for their lives and said, I don't want to pay attention to this anymore. Yeah. Some people didn't bring food and like the vendors didn't show up. Right. Food vendors. Yeah. So it was a quite a trial run. And then the bees, like the meat bees, because they all got. Flooded out of their holes. It was like Armageddon bees. That's what took me over the top. Once the bees came out, I was like, I got to go. We got to go home. We got to get out of. Here right now. Luckily we could. There were so many people that couldn't. Yeah. You've been through it. We did. We drove to like Talladega and then we got a shower. We got a hotel. We got buckets of chicken, man. We were just like rabid as animals on the back. We're like, that's it. Yeah. My friend was in from Australia, Ellen. And so she went through a plane with us all in a van. Wow. Yeah. If you have to go through one of those mini catastrophes, we were with like the best group of people. And you always like prep, you know, have your preps, have everything in order at your house and stuff. I mean, I was an hour away from home. I had what was in my camper, in my RV trailer, right? But we were all there. We all kind of pulled together. Somebody had a Starlink and yeah, so. Yep. Yeah, so we could get a message out because my mom was like freaking out. Oh, I bet. And we couldn't communicate. So the Starlink and then, yeah, Jordan was making breakfast for everybody and we were just. We all had our camping gear there. It really wasn't that bad. Except for the tents that all got flooded. I was in a trailer. A couple of guys were in their hammocks. They were crazy. They went to the rec room and finished it out there. Doug was in his truck in the morning. Doug Hogan. He was in his truck in the morning. Yeah, you know, he did the Tyrant series and Oath Takers and all that. It sounds familiar, but I don't know him. I saw a picture I might. Yeah, he's been old school right along. He's part of the OG crew on the Changing Earth for sure. For sure. All right, so what's Christmas looking like? What are we buying? Nothing. I hear you. I'm locked the doors and not let the kids come home. Actually, yeah, actually, they probably won't because they have their own lives now and they're doing their own thing. So now we're just sort of left in the dust and crossing our fingers. You know, are they going to come over? No. OK. Well, I'm coming. Oh, yeah. Her mother, her father, her father just passed away a little while ago. So my mom's coming. She's going to come stay with us for Christmas. So that'll be fun. She's bringing her two dogs. So that'll be fun. With all of the dogs. Yeah. One of them is a jerk. Oh, yeah. We have Mufasa. And then now we have Tater Tot. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We put him down. Yeah. Yeah. Fossa's throat is larynx or something. It's broken. Do you ever watch Battlestar Galactica? Uh-uh. Oh. That little... What was the dog called? Muffet or something. He barks now and it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. He's got like three barks and that's it. And then his barker just like stops. He won't be around too much longer. I say that and then watch three years from now and he'll still be here. Yeah, he was like the coolest little dog ever. He thought he was big dog. And he behaves like big dog, not like little dog. Yeah, he's a good little dog. Uh-huh. Nothing good about him. That would be Brock. See, I told Brock he should come out. Yeah. All right. So what prepping wishes do you have? What homestead wishes besides being able to put up the cool garden thing? We've been talking about, and it never. Really comes to fruition, whether that's moving, getting more property. I would love... And I think you're probably the same way, right? I would love to have at least, I mean, I could live on 10, 20 acres and just a trailer, a double wide. And I'd be happy for the rest of my life. Wouldn't care. You know, you get to the point where you, where I don't know if it's just age or in preparedness, where you start valuing things more than the big giant house. Now that the kids are gone, it's too much house now. So it would be kind of nice to get, I think that's one of the things I'd like to get, this area is getting so. So, so populated. There's like housing developments going in all around us now. This is time to go. Yeah. Even 10 years ago, it was, it was starting to get pretty built up. Yeah. I'd love to just get further away. It was, it was, we were in Charleston for like 25 years and I left. I was so happy to get out of there. Yeah. We're on like 26 acres. So it's, it's, That would be wonderful. And how often do you go without seeing another person, like going into town? Well, I kind of volunteer on a lot of crap, so I go into town. If I'm not doing, like with the sheriff or with the board of elections and that kind of stuff, but if I'm not doing volunteer work, maybe once a week, once every two weeks is probably what I do to go into town. And that's a good thing, huh? And when I go in, it's usually because of mail because we got some package getting delivered. Yeah. Because I don't like it delivered here because it's, you know, half a mile down to the mailbox. So I don't like it just sitting out there. We got a mailbox in town. But you go into mail, you gas up the cars, you get, you know, any food you need and you just check out, you know, tractor supply, all those, you know, loads, all those little things and fill up the truck and come back home. As I get older, though, and without the kids, I value others' help, right? Yes. Because I know, like, as we're getting older, it's just more challenging to take that task on, right? Yes. Like filling that garden with dirt. I mean, thank goodness for Fletcher. We didn't have a backhoe. We didn't have a cool tractor like Chin. You know, we. Were just sheltering, right? We bought this property. We bought a tractor. A Kubota 40 horsepower, and then I got a side-by-side, a four-wheeler side-by-side. We just bought a side-by-side, too. I'm telling you. Because we built the house. I mean, I did the plans and built the whole house myself. And I used that side-by-side to pull the electric lines and the water lines and everything from the well. I mean, that thing is a workhorse. Yeah, it's overkill for our two acres, but It's fun. I'm thinking like land and like a tiny home commune. Yeah. Like have a good central building where there's like books and a communal eating area where everybody, the family can eat together if they want to. And then everybody has like their own little tiny home. Absolutely. I don't know that. I don't know that. Have you seen like this tiny home thing is starting to run its course and I don't think you need to focus on the square foot. You need to focus on what you need. Like what size room you need for your bedroom. I just say it that way because like everybody has privacy, but we all have a communal area. I mean, we built basically a two bedroom house, you know, so it's not huge. but it's not small because I want to have storage. You know what? I don't want 25 sheds scattered around the property, which is a lot of rural living. But yeah, I think, I think you don't want to focus on the square foot. You want to focus on what you need to store, really need to store, not just, you know, too much stuff. And having droppers so you can get to it. You can keep it organized. And that's kind of how we, we built that. I mean, I did don't the drawings and everything and, and had it built. So, yeah. That's pretty cool too. Yeah. That tiny thing. You see a lot of people, there's videos out there now. I regret my tiny house. I'll never, it's the. Same thing with the van living. It's like, I'm going back and buying a house. I can't live in this van any longer. I like the idea of like having a house and then having individual rooms. Maybe you could do the dog. Run thing or like, it's a big deck area where everybody. Can hang out, you know? Yeah. Like an outdoor kitchen. Yeah, we're three generations in one house right now. So it'd be nice to have like space sometimes. I'd have to be, I mean, if we had like 100 acres or so, we'd have to have our house over here. And then you all can take the other 75 acres and do. What you want. But then we're still all on the same property. Yeah, but they're not right up in my face. Right, yeah. And you can all still come together to like do projects and stuff like that. See, because I don't know if it's just me getting older, me living out here and being, when you live in a rural type area, you're more self-sufficient. And I just don't, I don't look out interaction with other people. Now, when my neighbor, he knows what I do and he's a good guy and I like to help him out. But I don't search out that type of stuff. But when I do get an opportunity to do it or get an opportunity to hang out, I have fun with it. I just don't– I would rather have my own space and leave me alone until I ask for your help type thing. Until your body just won't let you do it and then you're like, oh, now I need help. And they're like, you didn't want it then. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, I understand why– how– community and having the help of other people is so important like you're the the prepper camp example with you guys that that whole group of people there was a lot of resources to pull from you know even though nobody really had anything because everyone was away from home there's still a lot. We had we all had stuff and we were all set up for camping yeah yeah yeah. We cut roads and stuff that would have never got done. There was a lady on that road that was, like, pregnant, and she was able to get out. She got cut out, because of that. There's something to be said for that. People came with chainsaws in their truck. I would totally bring my chainsaw. I would have never thought about bringing a chainsaw. If you're going camping somewhere. It's such a mess. Brock's always like, I don't want to carry it because it's kind of oily. Yeah. I need a good case ride. All the stupid bar oil leaks out. Right. We have one that's like that, too. But see, Dale got, or I bought myself a little electric chainsaw. It's not little. It's a good-sized chainsaw. It's an 18-inch. That's not little. It's not little, but it's electric. But then we just take the little portable power station out, and then I go cut. like branches off the tree or whatever. But yeah, if we were going camping, I would totally pack that thing in there. We've got this smaller 12 inch ones too. A couple of those. Yeah. Rick got us all those for the next year after Helene. He was like, here, now put that in your car and your, in your trunk. Lisa got a little, it's like six inch one, a little handheld. I was making fun of her, but actually using that for, for twigs and branches and stuff. I was like, okay, this is kind of useful. Yeah, instead of a rank or rank. Yes. Not building a log cabin with it or anything very quickly anyway. Yeah. Luckily, there was just a few of the huge ones that were like pretty torrential. Those ones had to have a chainsaw. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How big was the tree in the back? Oh, we've had a couple trees fall, probably 100, 150 feet. Um i mean it's huge how big around it is the diameter. Of it oh it's probably three almost three feet maybe over three feet. But yeah big those are the ones that like make tables. Out of and stuff yeah well we got plenty of firewood this year i'm going to be whenever it dips below 40 degrees i'm going to be lighting the fire just to get rid of. Yeah what are they saying uh because they're like oh el nino is crazy this year we don't know what uh what's really the East coast is kind of up in the air for chin. I saw that we're supposed to have like a colder one. What are they saying about Colorado area? I think it's, we, we are like the, where we're at. It's not going to be horrible. It's kind of like, man, you might get a little more, um, rain and stuff, but just South of us, like Pagosa Springs and Alamosa, they are getting hammered with storms and flooding and, I mean, it's, it's been really bad is how much they actually evacuated. I think today Pagosa Springs, like they evacuated part of the town because they were anticipating this river was going to flood. I don't, they said 10 feet over the boundaries. It's been like that for like a month. It's just like every storm that's coming in and then they're telling us, Oh, you're going. To get some, you know, and we get nothing it's. Been so dry yeah that's us yeah. Nothing that's like west texas been getting annihilated you know and then over we've literally watched the storms do this around my dad like are you okay it's kicking us down. There i'm like we got a couple drops. You know like. I've always said we live in the Elizabeth triangle because it seems like everything just hammers us here. But the last, I mean, a year ago, it wouldn't stop raining. Yeah. Or was that two years ago? Two years ago. Two years ago. We had waterfront property. That was cool. And then this year, like you said, it's just, it's avoiding us. It's like going around us. It's crazy. Yeah. Oh, that's just like the edges of the extreme to getting nothing is just, so crazy with. All the changes that would happen on our planet. Yeah. Well, even the mountains last year, the snow season, the skiing season was awful because they didn't get anything, which means the runoff was not, which supplies all the reservoirs and stuff was nothing. Which is what I mean is like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think they said that, um, it's going to start, uh, Wolf Creek Pass, I think they said, was going to get between 18 and 20 inches of snow. And that's part of the Pagosa Springs area. So usually they end up with like 100 to 120 inches of snow a year. Last year they didn't even get double digits, I don't think. But this year it looks like it's going to be better. Triple digits? Maybe. Triple digits. But they got single digits. Triple digits, yeah. Like under 10 feet? It was less than... I mean, there was no snow in the mountains. I don't know. I just know that one snowstorm can dump 10 to 12 feet. I don't know. Feet? Maybe inches. Maybe not. Disregard me. You're dead. It's my story and I'm sticking to it. Six inches. Six inches. Oh, it's a guy thing. It's a guy thing. Wow. It was that long. It was that big. It started just off when we had to be clean. There you go, Sarah, off the rails. That is clean. I was talking about fishing, Jack. I don't know what. You're talking about. Leave it on the East. Coast, guy. You wanted to wrap it up here before 630, so we're kind of knocking at that door. Or wait, are you guys at a different time zone? We are. It's at 530 right now. So, yeah, we're a little bit different. But we did need to get out of here at six our time. Yeah. Or around six. Give me just like one more of like an item, like your item that you're like, this is something that I think I need to upgrade with. I was curious. I'm looking for Christmas presents. Okay, so. I can't go buy my kids a bunch of land. Wouldn't that be something? I wish. I mean, I would, totally, if I could. I'm trying to think, you know, like, I've had my. Do you come across, or. No, because I've been focusing a whole lot on.... A lot of my videos recently have been about energy, so the solar, the power stations, all of that stuff. That would be. I mean, even, you know, something like that, a smaller sort of to teach them how that, that all that works because. It's, it's, it's more complicated. It's really easy to do, but it's more complicated than the, like when, when these people talk about, Hey, I'll just get a solar panel and this and that, if everything goes to crap and then I'll hook this up. No, you won't. Cause you have no idea how. What you're doing without frying yourself or, or making it work. So get something small like that. Power stations. That would be, Well, power. Stations are cheating though. Oh, that's just all put together. I'm talking about the solar panel, the charge controller, the wiring and all that thing where. You can run, you know what you could say. I mean, don't think you run in the hairdryer when you, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe, maybe your kids would hate that. Mine probably would. So yeah, they'd be like, what is that? A solar panel? Really? I'll just take the money. What about you, Lisa? What's on your list? I am always every year. It probably wouldn't be really applicable to your kiddos, but every year I'm always searching and I always want a good pair of gloves, like heavy duty winter gloves that I can actually use my hands in during the winter that cause and mud season too. So they have to last, but gloves never last. And yeah, I found these really cool. So like the rubber coated gloves, you know, like people use like in food, not food service, but they're almost like. Uh, they have a, like the knit with the rubber, like the dipped in the rubber. Yeah. Yeah. And those work. I love those, um, for gardening and then also for working with my horses in the summertime, like doing barn chores and stuff. But I found some on Amazon that actually have they're thicker for winter and They work really well, but they don't help as much as when it's frigid, cold, and tons of snow because then the back gets wet, and then your hands are wet. But you oversize those gloves and then get the wool liners. The liners, yeah. And put that in to help. Yeah, but then I can't move my hands as much. I know. I am really picky when it comes to my gloves. Sarah's sitting here going, I'm in Texas. I know. See, that's... No, no. I wear. I have the tractor supply gloves that I actually like. They're leather. I don't go with the rubber-dipped ones just because they stick too much. But I do have a cool story about the rubber-dipped ones. They sell ones that have the plastic fingers on them with, like, claws. So you can use them for gardening. Digging. And you can get everything. You can just and pull all your weeds so easy. So those were a big hit and a big win. But I'm a big believer of gloves because I need something I can shoot with, right? I've got to be able to shoot Teddy, you know, my Tavor. I've got to be able to shoot with it and be able to move brush and whatnot, but still be able to use a trigger on it. So, you know, I want the glove, but I also want the dexterity thing. Yeah. You know what would be cool? A little, like, minibike. EMP-proof type, like a Coleman minibike or even. I'll bet you you get on Craigslist or something and you could find one for a couple hundred bucks. As a kid. That's cool. I'm 50-some years old. I'd still love one. One of those up. Yeah. For real. They run around on them all the time out here. And we have a frame for one of those. Old school dune buggies. You know, like the little ones. But they haven't done anything with it, so whatever. The video games. Yeah, do it in real life. It's more fun. Yeah, that's the problem, getting them outside to do anything. That's all kids. Yeah, that's everybody sitting on their phones. Except for Lisa's oldest. You couldn't get him away from working on cars, but the other one. You couldn't get him outside. Yeah. Well, Christian's been going crazy. Like I don't, he's in band. Their school just keeps them moving. Their band just won States. They're marching championships and stuff. Yeah. So he's already earning college credits as a freshman right now. Wow. That's great. What does he play? The tenor sax. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. So he's having a lot of fun with that. Fletcher's back to school. So, you know, I can say that they're. Not doing a lot, but they are doing a lot. Yeah, absolutely. Because they keep up. They're just so busy. Yeah. There's so many things that they have to do and just the activities even. It's like, how do you have time for anything else? That's good, though. It is good. Because I wasn't busy, and I can tell you. Yeah. What is that saying? Idle hands are the devil's playground. Yeah. That's the truth. That is the truth of it. Alrighty guys. Well, let's go ahead and wrap it up. It has been fantastic. I'm so happy that you guys came on the show for November. I'm glad you guys are still doing this. It's good to hear from you and chin as well. Oh yeah. It was great talking with you all. This is like a blast from the past. Yeah. Like we need to catch up. That's just years. And, um, It makes you think about how much things have changed when you think back to when I first met Shannon and we first met you and then all the things that we were doing and talking about back then and now we're all old. Yeah, now we're like, you know, that happened. Let's just talk about some chickens. Oh, yes. Somebody made a comment on my YouTube channel, though, which made a whole lot of sense. Talked about how in your 50s, and I know you're not quite there yet, Sarah, but... you don't realize that this is like the best time in your life until you get into your sixties or seventies because, and when you think about it, all our kids are gone. It's just me and Lisa now. Yeah. It's nice when the grandbabies come over, but we've got more freedom now than we ever, than we have in decades. It feels like being a teenager again. And we're still physically able to do some things before we. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good. Good, good. Let's not let it go that long again. We'll have to get together and do something. Yeah. And if I come up that way, I'm definitely, you know, I'm hitting you guys up for sure. You have to. That's imperative. Very good. You too, Chin. I know. I hardly leave the homestead, though. Yeah, I was going to say 26 acres. He's got no reason to go anywhere. Yeah, he's tied down. He's volunteers for so much stuff. He's the busy dude. We just found the try-on where we had Prepper Camp, which is like 30 minutes from my house now, the new one, the try-on equestrian center. So my wife's in seventh heaven because we're just there Friday and Saturday for shows. It's great now because I don't have to board a horse. I don't have to muck a stall. I just take my wife over there. She gets to watch all the horsey stuff. Oh, that is so cool. I know where you live. Cause I know where that try on. Yes. We were there Friday and Saturday this week. Yeah. That is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, it looks like you guys got to go visit over there. Yeah. It'd be a whole lot cheaper to just, just go visit an equestrian center than feed them. True. It is. I could buy her dinner and still be cheaper. And then when you go buy Lisa math, she's like, Oh, it's only a couple hundred dollars. And then I got to lay everything out. I was like, here's your couple hundred dollars. Now let's start adding everything else up. Are you still doing your channel Lisa? Well, I have, um, I kind of changed direction a little bit too. And now I have DIY diva. And so I do lots of crafts. Yeah, you're really into the crafts. Oh, yeah. I keep trying to beat Dale, but it's not happening as far as, like, subscribers and stuff. But mine is very fluffy and just, like, artsy-fartsy stuff. I do that. And then I actually have an Etsy store now, too, that I just started not. Very long ago. But that's been really fun keeping me busy, too. The metric that matters, the money, she smokes me. Okay. Don't let the modesty fool you. We've got the canning diva now, Diane. Yeah. She's awesome people. So we'll have to do like a girl's show. Oh yes, absolutely. Okay. But, um, yeah, you guys would have a blast for sure. So, all right guys, I'll let you go. Um, thank you everybody for joining us. Uh, there's, You know, if you guys want me to reference any websites and stuff like that, I'll throw them up on the blog if you want to. Just my Bug Out Location website and then DIY, or not website, the Bug Out Location YouTube channel and. Her DIY Diva. That's basically what we're doing right now. Check out Dale and Lisa, guys. Old school. We've been doing it. We put our time in, that's for sure. We've won some stripes. All right, guys. Until next time, remember, dream big. Survive. Thrive. Well, that was fun. I think we're done, right? Thank you for listening to the Changing Earth Podcast. Please take a moment to like, subscribe, and leave a comment or review. Help make the Changing Earth. World go around by purchasing. The Changing Earth Novel Series at Amazon.com or get your signed copies at ChangingEarthSeries.com Get your Changing Earth gear and become a paid subscriber for extra goodies at ChangingEarthSeries.com.